>> i am the president of the commission. before we start the meeting i want to do a few house keeping items we do all the timeism a member of had public and would like to speak on a item on our agend a, please do so when i call for public comment and have speaker cards up there. you can fill one out and hand to our staff and they will pass it to me when the item is heard. secondly, please turn off all cell phone or put them on vibrate. thank you to sfgovtv and media services for broadcasting this live to the public. we will start the roll call >> commissioner thomas, here.

commissioner caminong, here. commissioner frost, here. president tan, here. ; we have a quaurp. commissioner lee is on his way as well as commissioner perez and commissioner joseph is absent this evening. >> great, for those who watch regularly we have a new person who hits up here because our staff has grown. director king will be up here with the commissioners and has not transitioned herself into a commissioner. the first item of business is general public comment. this is for public comment on item that pertains to the business of entertainment commission but not agendized. any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. we move to item 2, which is approval of meeting minutes which is continued and minutes are from may 17, 2016.

yp don't have the list of members in front of me that were there, but is everyone here? can we pass that? >> may 17? >> looks like we have to continue it again. >> you can just wait till later in the meeting. we may be able to bring it up as opposed to continue it when other members arrive. i don't know either if enough will be here >> last time i asked if the city attorney can weigh in if the members of the meeting need to be here. >> i did not ask that >> if you can ask that because we only have 4 members including audrey who is not here today. can i just get a motion to continue? moved by commissioner thomas and second by commissioner frost.

>> commissioner thomas, on the motion. >> the motion passes, the minutes are continued. item 3, report from executive director king. >> good evening. i hopefully will be brief because you have a lot of permits this evening. wanted to update on couple things on legislative and policy. the first is i continued to and spent two hours last week meeting with [inaudible] and associates on trying to create best practice for sound studies. the two of you that were at the rdr committee meeting tonight know how important these sound studies are and having to speak to developers over and over about going back to the drawing board

because they have done the least amount of work possibly opposed to what the commission is looking for is becoming a problem. i'm work wg actually [inaudible] pauley as well to craft something that isn't per cryptive because i don't want-something that we can guide people and then get a really good product out of. as soon as i get something you can actually read, i'll present it to the commission more formally and will want your feedback. it gets pretty technical, but so be it, you will do your best. i'm learning so you can too. the other thing i wanted to make her the commission knows is we have-we were asked by the goldengate restaurant association a couple weeks ago whether we wanted to do a workshop on performing rights organizations. those are the organizations in

america, there are 3, bmi [inaudible] they are organizations that represent like song writers and host of complicated issues around copy write and paying out performers for their music and every year nigh businesses open and every year people get letters from these agencies telling them they have to pay license fees and think it is a scam and through these pieces apaper away and it gets to a opponent they were threatened with lawsuits so restaurantss and places of entertainment get these letter jz tried to bring these agencies together but long story short, the [inaudible] asked us, us being this commission as well as the mayors office of economic and workforce development to put together a wub workshop so they secured a attorney who can

hopefully in easy english explain to the business operators who really don't understand music and song writing, nor should they, why this is legitimate and important and hopefully we'll record it and won't have to repeat it over and over. i got a [inaudible] at the main library, so you guys are invited to come, it is august 16th. i think we set from 2:30 to 4:30 probably won't be that long and will send out aswy get closer e-mail invites. it is sort of interesting if you don't have a basic understanding you probably should because it does come up every year and any time a new business we are approached by all these agencies and don't understand why they are responding their money on. i

want to [inaudible] summit which is october 3 and we are working on try to fill out content because we always want to be as relevant as possible so not prepared at the moment to tell you what it is all about but as we get closer we will make sure it is in your calendar if you are interested being involved in that. way more important is this fellow sitting here, this is introduction to dylan rice and didn't bring his resume. i talked to you guys all most two years about hiring a employee to work on outdoor events and issues around amplifyed sound and isues around the trials and tribulations of producing a event in san francisco. there is a tiny community event you don't have the money for any services or big one like pride. we finally got someone

to work on this stuff and if you want to say a few words. >> this is my first meeting, pleasure and honor to be here and excited to work with the community of event producers and all the other stakeholders. i have a background in music. i'm a singer and song writer and recording aal bms and tured and done event production in private and public spaces and my most recent gig is city of chicago cultural affairs. i did music industry development work. >> yep, so he will be a great asset. he also brings zero baggage around san francisco and all its ups and downs, which is great. we have someone who doesn't know who anyone is yet. nobody screw that up. so, the last thing i want to say is when we publish this agenda there was nuther to

report under corrective actions and don't have anything formal to report but oferk the weekend which is past the point of this agenda publication, there was a homicide in proximity to [inaudible] on geary street. we haven't gotten paperwork because as you know the police department doesn't allow aus to see the reports especially in the case of a homicide so we rin the midst of planning a sit down and have spoken to the operator of the venue already. they are permitted, they were permitted a very long time ago by the police department which is still a valid permit but to come up to speed as far as entertainment commission good neighbor policy squz security plan so working with the police to find a meeting time that works early next week and we will be going over all those issues to bring that file to

date. again, i can't speak to necessarily any breach in particular until we get our hands on more information, but i thought tfs important to bring it to you guys just in case you get a question. we are working on it and it is unclear the nexus so i can't say what will happen or any corrective action but they will come in and try to figure this out. >> do you know at least if it was a patron or a couple patrons involved? >> we know the victims were patrons. it is unclear whether the perpetrator was. >> alright. thank you for that report. welcome aboard dylan. we are excited to have you. i think live event have been a really important part the commission, but with no one being able to hold the flame. you named

some existing events but things like holloween and things not so organized need leadership around that. glad you on board. i want to say something about the sound study best practices. i look forward to seeing that because i think there is a need not only for the residential developments that are learning about that but also our poe holders because not all them are completely sound proof and think there is things that they can do as well and for existing ones and future ones so think that will be helpful. any questions from commissioners for the drerkts report. commissioner thomas. >> i notice the daw dada bar is running into community opposition concern about the move to the mechanics institute. do you have update on how

that is going? >> well, the hold up now is own the liquor license, so i guess i believe it went through the pcn at the board and that was passed and approved, but there are appeals potentially pending. again, this is around the abc license. entertainment probably didn't get appealed. we will not issue anything until there is a active operation there but i don't have anymore-it could take a while obviously if abc and there is a state level sort of action. got a little political, so we'll see. >> all knroe is what i read in the news accounts of the hearing. >> yeah, right now the arena sitting in is around the liquor license so

i'm hands off in that regard. >> thank you. >> any other questions? if not, we'll move to inspector report. >> thank you president tang, good evening commissioners. few items to note a couple made complaint at venues, two of which maybe you haven't heard of and one who we talked about before. place of entertainment [inaudible] 144 taylor i have been under the impression they have done a lot of feeder base spoken word events towards the bake of their space and based on the recent complaint it sound like they may have started booking live bands in the front room. in my experience after taking a walk through there early on during the construction phase, they got a big glass window that faces taylor

and the stage is directly in front of that so think it will require upgrade and maybe sound curtain. the stage itself can transfer vibration, not sure but the complainant is across the street so think the sound is going through that window and disturbing the apartment building across the street. i have yet to go on site and hear live bands. i plan doing that this weekend. we got a report about a business later on in the evening having karaoke nights and have yet to put ears or eyes on this particular place. it looks closed when i go by, it is dark and i cannot hear a thing, so i'm going to continue to swing by 431 eddy. the past weekend with west bay conference

center, the place that came up before hereby. we haven't heard from this complainant quite a bit and after stopping by late sunday i learned this past weekend their air conditioning system had failed, windows were open to accommodate over heated guests for a wedding party and that led to a little bit of a storm of sound iminating from the room. the citation will be issued and have a chat to see how it can be prevented in future. i let the complainant know the earlier we know the quicker we can address it. >> they are not like our typical night club, so what are they holding just weddings? they have come up a few times.

>> generally birthdays and weddings and family reunions. it is a event space people can rent out. >> i think they did a good job tightening up closing windows and put foam board in windows and sound curtains overthe foam board and were looking good for a while and the past weekend there was a malfunction of equipment that led to drastic measures being taken. pardon me. maybe a little of over kill in the next category, but wanted to give a perspective how active we are on weekends where the city has larger events. i'm not sure if we had discussed necessarily because of the july 4th hearing was canceled but pride

went off basically from a venue standpoint without a hitch. there were a couple events that we were a bit concerned about, some out of the ordinary things especially across the street from the eagle, they had a permit for a outdoor event and there was unexpected crowd but the numbers were low and security was well manned. all the usual folks, folsom were well staffed. that was the first weekend and [inaudible] reopened and visited them a couple time squz all the conditions in place by the permit on staff were abided by. they were using wands, id scanners, sfpd expected the new security system so everything was looking really good. i think that

wraps it up for me. happy to answer any questions you might have. >> um, in terms of civic center plaza knroe there was increased security, did you hear from police how that went? >> everything time i stopped that weekend i try today check in with police. i didn't hear a single thing about anything really out of the ordinary. most of my focus when it comes to the patrols for things like that are sound based. i do try to keep a eye especially when i see pd outside the eagle, there was some sfpd posted and checked with them, how are things going--i didn't see anything out of the ordinary at civic center. i saw people

going and was there for a hour and half and parking here and there. >> great. >> i did want to let you know item a on our agenda, i have been involved in for quite a while so if there are any questions when that comes up-- >> great. alright. commissioners looks like we are happy with the report. any public comment on either director or inspectors report. don't see any. item 4, police department comments and questions. anything the police want to talk about today besides permits? nope. alright. we'll move along to item number 5. this is a hearing and possible action regarding application for permits under the jurisdiction of entertainment commission. we have 5 tonight that are all a little different and the first is chamber eat and drink for a

loud speaker permit. >> i will start you off and then we'll roll into i guess maybe the permits applicant and/or sean depending. what is before you is loud speaker permit for something that ends before 10 p.m. administratively we typically handle these things in the office, but it has been a practice to bring them to commission if we had complaints over a period we couldn't resolve through any methods we use so that is why this is before you. there have been quite a number of these applications through the office in the past. this one in particular is asking for similar amplification in the courtyard of the phoenix hotel this sunday from 12 p.m. to 7 p.m. and as far as what they are

doing and how they are doing, the applicant is here. hopefully i believe and we invited the neighbor who had a ongoing sound concern to come speak on his own behalf, but as i said, we tried to work through and use sean quite a bit to try to find a common ground, which we haven't been able it do so are here today to ask you to help us do that and hopefully consider more than just this sundays permit which is before you but given direction to staff going forward how to deal with any other future permits that we do expect from this location. so, if you would like to hear from the permit applicant or mr. burke, that is up to you. >> um, let's bring up the permit

applicant. is isabel manchester here? >> a little nervous so smile. >> it is okay. >> hi, i'm isabel manchester and a partner at the phoenix hotel and chambers and like jauslen mentioned we are here to talk about the permit that we submitted for this sunday's party and whatwy do on all events we have i can talk about but this sunday is a event cohosted by anderson [inaudible] which is a business owner in the city and we host an event that has incorporates a dj. this weekend it is pool side who was a band that originated from san francisco but doing a dj event only this sunday and host the events from 12 to 6 on the weekends. i pull the permits from 12 to 7 because i like to give a

little time for shut down and that's pretty much the basis of the event. >> great. from what we understand there has been complaint from at least one neighbor, can you tem about the history trying to work with this person and any other neighbors that may have been effected? >> the phoenix hotel has been there a long time and the history of daing events in the courtyard is a long timeyism have been a partner in the business 5 years and have been doing events throughout the-we use the courtyard for a number of event whether weddings or fashion shows or these dj events in the summer time. it was-i don't know how long but heard complaint from one neighbor, as far as i know there is only one neighbor. we reached out myself personally and other

partners reached out to see what we can do and maybe invite this neighbor to see what we are doing here and see if we can fine a solution to find a common ground. i know recently we didn't hear too much back from the neighbor himself in trying to sort of work with us, so we did start working a little more closely with sean to have come by and take a look at the situation to make sure we were working within the sound ordinances. we now have decibel levels we work with and decibel meters on property. i work every events so very aware of the neighbor complaint and want to work with him to try to find a solution to not be such a nuisance, so i'm there walking the property, myself, turning the dj's down. anybody that

work would a dj knows that is a constant struggle and take as lot of attention, so that is-like i said earlier, another thing we have been doing is i pull the permits from 12 to 7, but try to end events at 6 o'clock because i do aware of the time. we also even though we pull them at 12 events generally start at 1 o'clock so we are kind of minimizing the amount of sound in the courtyard. >> are you notifying at least this one neighbor or other neighbors when events will come and with advance notice? >> we have done a number-we have done a-the hotel sen out an e-mail to hotel guests mpt i did start off by letting the neighbor know as much as i could in advance about the events. when e-mails came back not as positive and felt it

was hitting a wall, i did stop on a certain occasion for little time. in talking to sean and figuring best practice we started again. the neighbor does currently know all of the events we still have scheduled for the rest hof the summer and so our plan moving forward is always let him know whatever we have planned the times of it and so he has is fully aware. >> great and then so you mentioned decibel meters. are there other sound atinuation techniques you tried to not have the same sort of impact on this particular neighbor? >> um, well i'm not necessarily sure and understand the question. there are ways there is base is i think it is probably more bothersome so we keep the base at a certain level. we tried different speaker the way we

position our speaker throughout the courtyard and found having 4 corner speakers is better because it keepathize sound in the courtyard versus everywhere else so we have been trying a number of different methods relying on people like sean to let us know what works and doesn't work and completely open to whatever the suggestions are. >> okay. great. i'll open for other commissioners if there are questions or thoughts. commissioner frost. >> how long have you been using the decibel meter? >> um, well this-we used it this year in the past we used-we have always used a decibel meter but this year we had sean come down and say here is where you want to stay within the levels to have the number is this year. >> so, you have used it for the last few events? >> uh-huh.

>> okay. people that are having issues with the noise do they have your number or number of somebody on site they can call during the events? >> i supplied my phone number a number of times. we e-mailed a number of times throughout the course of the day. as soon as the events does start he generally reaches out and asks about the timing of the event and how long it will last. there is a lot of dialogue. he certainly could get a hold of us when he would like to. we would encourage that. he has a phone number to the hotel as well. >> and then you say that you generally don't start at 12. when people are setting up, are they doing sound checks? >> sometimes >> but not before 12? >> no, which is also something we need for the hotel as well. >> thank you.

>> hi isabel, how are you? the speakererize pointing toward the middle of the courtyard? >> uh-huh >> have you tried a configuration so none are facing your neighbors? the actual apartment. >> well, the neighbor to my understanding and i don't exactly know where the neighbor lives by my understanding is the neighbor is above and behind so it is hard to comment on that because i don't know where he lives. i do know after speak to a lot of sound experts this is the best way to control sound is have them all come in to have the 4 corner speakers. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner caminong. >> can you tell how men events occur during busy season and how soon do you

notify the neighbors an event will be occurring? >> throughout the course of the year, we do a number of events. busy season is often times dictated by so many different things but the events now we are doing a lot more weddings than we use today do. december we'll pull a number of-we do weddings and corporate event and fashion shows and summer sunday series between june and generally late september. throughout the course of the year we ask for 15 permits for sound and pull a sound permit for anything that requires a loud speaker so even just a wedding in the courtyard and exchanging vows we pum a permit. during the summer sunday series which is one we have this sunday, we try our goal is

limit to two a month so two in june, two in july and two in august and two in september and try to do them so they are not back to back. sometimes it doesn't work out that way but that is our attempt so probably throughout the course of the summer 8 and then the rest peppered throughout the year. >> how soon do you notify neighbors? >> in the past we submit for the permit and then wait for the permit approval and that is when we let the neighbor knows so often times it is dictated by that. generally around i would-sometimes it has fallen through the cracks and have mayb e-mail was queued and only been a few days before, which is not what we like it to be but normally i would say about two weeks. currently because i wanted to

let this neighbor know what we had planned, he has the schedule through october. >> thank you. >> commissioner lee. >> when you got the sound meter and didn't have it before the first time uuse td did you realize you have to bring the volume down when you first started to use it or did you find that the way you have been using it all along falls within the inspectors range? >> you know, we actually found for like i said, i have always worked these events and been on property for everyone and found the range we normally were playing in was within the range he asked to be in. i walk the perimeter outside because i have been in the industry a long time and recognize the complaint so when we start an event i go outside and see what it sounds like before the

event starts and go out and check and go out and sense it is too loud i run in before the meters run back in and say, time to turn it down. but i did recognize or find that we were generally within those volume levels. >> i walked by and been to some the engagements there and think it is not a huge ridiculously uncontrollable amount of sound but the tricky part is you are outdoors and given the way the phoenix is positioned you basically have 4 walls around you that go up 8 plus stories. i'm curious for most permits for place of entertainment they have 4 walls we can contain but in this situation you can't contain the sound as well. i think you trying things like the [inaudible] and speakers. i'm curious how open you would be

in other situations where we outdoor event or people that want to do outdoor events next to residential propertys there have been improvements made whereimably double pane windows or added or sound curtains, is that something you are open to or exploreed? >> we would certainly be open to it. we haven't exploreed it. in a course with the e-mail dialogue with the neighbor we did sort of ask our suggest we would all be aloud including maybe a commissioner to go into the property and see what it sounded like to see if we can come up to something so we are open to that for sure. >> that is helpful to know because i think without being able to build a wall and ceiling above your courtyard and think we want to think about what we can do for the residents. other

thoughts from commissioners? why don't you have a seat and see if inspector burke has thoughts on this. do youment want to speak to the cument plaint or efforts we tried to mitigate them? >> yes. inspector sean burke. i think that you hit the nail on the headism we are in a space that is difficult to contain sound in. i have been to the venue on many occasion and did want to clarify that the conversations that is the one i had about sound and levels did happen prior to me entering the residence of the complainant of the first time. being able to directly in contact with the complainant does open up avenues for further

investigation. at this point i have been able to establish inside his dwelling but have yet to be able to follow up during an event. i think the route that you suggested is definitely something to consider. like you had mentioned, the -we have a small space with no roof and short walls and we have a whole lot of buildings in that neighborhood that all most incompass fully the venue itself so they all most act as-they are playing a game with the sound coming out of that venue and it shoots around the neighborhood. you can walk in front of the entrance and not

hear a whole lot, but you go down a block or two and you can hear reflections off other buildings sometimes. the sound does tricky things. by the time you get out and hear something and say this is a little loud, by the time you get back to the dj and say to turn it down, the song changed, so it is a very tricky endeavor. i think it requires thinking outside the box and i think there is a lot of variation in the venue itself so maybe we remove and focus on the resident. >> alright. commissioners any other thoughts before i open up for public comment? nope. let's open up for public comment. any public comment on phoenix hotel and chambers?

would you come on up? you can hand that to our staff and then just go ahead and come up to the microphone, introduce yourself and you have two minutes. >> my name is steve himeerly >> can you prop that up closer to your mouth? >> okay. now that i heard what is said so far i will throw out my notes. my name is steve himeerly and live at 640 polk street so live on the same block as the phoenix but the western entd. i lived there for 16 years so experienced a lot of phoenix events. the worst used to be new years eve when at one a.m. my windows were rattling. not kidding. i had a lot of experience and over time i internalized a response to this. not only to receiving information about upcoming events, seeing it on the facebook page

or whatever, but as soon as i hear something in that direction, my mood changes and i leave. that's my internalized response over time. i work in fundraising for a non profit and have for 20 years. my job is stressful, so my weekends are really pressure. i'm a artist and photographer and do family research so sundays are a sweet time for me. now i can't function in a way that allows me to do that when anything is going on at the phoenix. it doesn't matter what type of music, it can be moody or thrumping so when i'm aware of something happening or coming up, i just am not in my apartment.

given what i else i heard what i wanted to mention though is that out my kitchen window, i can see over the roof of the phoenix, it is probably 60, 70 feet away and can see a little into the courtyard. i can stand in my kitchen at the sink or at the counter and work on a project or sit on at my computer and the base hits my feet and throughout my chair. i'm 70 feet up in the air on the 6th floor. >> your time is actually up. >> okay. bye bye. >> any other public comment on this? alright, i don't see any. the matters is now with the commission. commissioners, there are two -there is one permit in front of us and

the director also asked for direction how to handle future permit applications like this. what do you guys think? >> it seems like we have a number of things that we could do to try and address this and come up with something that will help mrs. himeerly's ability to stay in his apartment on weekends. while continuing to move forward with these permits. i like us to look at the additional conditions. i think the suggestion of trying to make physical changes to the windows and sound proofing if that is something that he would be interested in would be

one step to put more physical barrier between him and the sound since the permit applicant indicated she was willing to do that. i wonder if that is something that mr. himeerly is also willing to investigate whether putting in mew windows, double pane windows and sound curtains may be a option. >> he isn't on the record. if you want to ask him a question he needs to come back to the micro phone. >> it sound like a number of things have been tried on the chambers but we don't-and we know that inspector burke wants to figure if we can do measurements in your unit while an

event is going on so we can figure what the base measure is there to try and mitigate that. and then the question of potentially putting in double paneed windows or making other modifications to your unit, is that something that you think might help mitigate the sound issues you are having? >> um, i do have double paneed windows now. i think that's less the issue than the basis frankly. the inspector and i have been interacting when events are coming up. we interacted over memorial day. there were two events on memorial day and interacted how is the this feeling and is this a good one to test and decide not to. we will find one, because i do think that is important measurement to take because the base is the weird element

in this i think. >> base is very hard to contain so think that is not a unique problem, that is just sound and mechan recollects mechanics of it. there are other ideas we can explore. i think commissioner lee had a question. >> so basically is the base that is bothering you and you seem to be close to had roof line which a lot of the music travels and it is a very difficult thing to put on a roof to hold in space. was there any time with the inspector when he adjusted the base it was okay or is it something that you finally gave up and-it sounds like you want to work with them or is it something you are just think there is double pane windows. we can adjust the

base or position it and work with you but i'm just saying is this something you still-let me tell you, there is a long history there. >> i understand. >> i know these owners with their other businesses and they are very responsible and honest people so think they are here to reach out and work with you and just want to know if the double paneope toon the measurements and can do the best they can to mitigate this problem so you won't be disturbed. i know it is a couple of your pressure sundays but we can always shorten the time, we can do a lot of things but want to see where you are at being in that community for 16 years. work wg with a new owner that has been there 5 years so just want to hear from that. >> um, i'll respond three ways. i am

totally open to the inspector coming to my apartment and measuring when an event is going on because i think that is critical. one thing i must say during my 16 years of living there, this is the first time anybody has reached out to me to say i want to know what is going on in your apartment and never happened before so that is part of my mentality around this. it has [inaudible] implacable like nothing, nothing nothing. we have the double pane windows already. the main thing is for somebody to feel the base and then to address it from there i think. when my windows are closed i can still hear the mid and high range and becomes a blnded noise for the dj that

is always like barking and i do think like the federal building i think has something to do with because it is just giant reflective wall. >> it does bounce back right at you. >> i moved two years ago from the third floor to 6th floor and between me and the phoenix like part of my kitchen is here, my living space is here, between this part of my apartment and the phoenix is the entire apartment building of 665 eddy street, so i have no idea what they experience, but i thought that moving up and having that shield would make a difference but it hasn't. the high mid-range is different. the base stuns me. >> i just learned today sound

does want dissipate until you hit 8 stories or 80 feet above. >> that is interesting. >> i'm in there. >> you are in that zone. most of san francisco is in that zone. we understand. i think other questions for --nope? why don't and have a seat again. >> thauchck. thank you. >> like i said this permit at hand which i believe is this sunday, so i think they are probably people expecting this event to happen but there is a longer term issue to too so i'm inclined to go ahead with the permit this sunday but provide clear guidelines for our staff about how to address this. it sound like there will be up to 15 or 16 permits a year that the phoenix will be applying for, so--

>> how many more permits are they asking for after this one? >> do we have any in the queue? >> there is none in the queue that i know of but asking the same question i got the answer of 7 i think and they can confirm possibly additional one in december so maybe 8. >> isabel can you verify that? >> i wrote that down but may be wrong. >> hi, so for the rest of the summer we have this particular month, july is the month where we have back to back event u one sunday and 31 is one. we did pass that information to the groups. then we have two scheduled for august, two scheduled for september, one in october. i did look at

the calendar this morning and saw there is a wedding in october, i don't go if that has outdoor sound. it isn't on my radar and have a big corporate event in december that is a hotel buy out that will likely have sound component because it is a big event. >> that is 7? >> 7 left. >> this is 8 total? >> yes. >> all these events have some kind of dancing component to it? >> uh-huh. yes. >> not just fashion show and we are done. >> no, there is fashion show and art and dancing and grill. >> have you made physical improvements to the hotel itself? i think there are sound walls that people build and other-i don't know how you contain the

speakers not just the direction they are pointed but any attempts to improve the actual physical structure to try to contain sound? >> well, not as far as- i'm not sure how we can do that because we are in the courtyard with hotel on one side and the restaurant on the other. i don't know how we can put any sort of sound barriers there. we certainly put a lot of improvements into the interiors of both but if you have suggestions for something like that would love to hear it. >> okay, that is-got the answer i needed. you can have a seat now. >> thank you. >> you want to speak into the the mic? okay. let's do two things, let's act on this one permit so we know

if that is happening or not and then-i think we don't necessarily have to come up with all the solutions now. i think it sound like the inspector will try to coo a sound test during an event. we can try to get levels of dba, b and c and try to figure out then what are other technologies and what not we can use to help mitigate that. i did want realize that the window is double paneed but there are triple paneed windows maybe that is a answer. i think it is a ongoing thing the staff attended to but if we have specific ideas or cap the number of event or cap the hours that would be helpful for staff. if you have thoughts about that tonight, great. we can also come back and give instruction later.

so, questions. >> the permit for tonight is it for the 24 and 31? >> just the 24th. >> just the 24th. >> but then we have to deal with the 31. >> i'm inclined to approve the 24th on the condition that we work with the neighbor to do the sound check to see exactly what is the minimum tolerance and the thing is, obviously we have a standard, but if it falls below the standard where it really disturbs him we have to think about the next one. we can grant the permit as is but the condition is-before we get the next one coming up to determine what level-at this point we don't know what

level to set the condition if we condition this. right? sean, we dont have really any written down-it seems like it is a bass issue or at least high up, he will hear the mid-range and highs anyway, but we will probably have to get opinion from the inspector to- >> right. >> where we will be. how can we condition like the amount of sound at this point? >> cant they do a sound test before it happens? >> i'm pretty sure it is probably a special event where they bring in their own. if it is in-house you can, but if it is a buy out and they bring their own or-i don't know the application-does it say it is their own system? >> inspector do you know if it is thane own in-house system or do the

performers bring them? >> i do not. i think maybe isabel can speak to that. >> isabel, can you come back up? if you sit down maybe stay in the front row. >> there have been event where the promoters or dj's want to bring in a sound system. that hasn't happened most recently, it is just what we have in-house. >> are they fixed in the place or- >> no we have to bring them out and set them up each time >> it sour system then? >> yes. >> to answer your question they can do it. >> they have their own [inaudible] that can help. they are attached to that. so, commissioners i understand i think we all seems like there is probably consensus getting the sound test done during performance. i would advise conditioning that before this next event because it would probably

have to take place during this event rather than before since there is no event before that. and then i think we should on advisement i don't know conditions but guidelines to staff how to handle the rest of it. can someone make a motion, please? >> i motion to approve the permit based on sound check at the current level with our inspector so we know and also work with the neighbor to know exactly what the problem is. before we go to the next permit so at this point it is my motion. >> so, the motion is to approve with a sound check on the 24th? >> well,- >> assuming that >> if commissioner perez wants

to do it a couple days earlier. 24th is fine. >> on the 24ict, hopefully that is available to you. >> the neighbor would have to be available. sometimeatize is hard to get people together. >> okay. the motion is approved with a sound check on the 24th and for future to maintain the ambient level or what is allowed for by law. it is 8 decibels. >> that will be the max but then he may not be able to go to the max dependent on what is happening in the neighbors apartment and thereat that can be a problem on the next one. >> the motion is approve on the condition that there is a sound test done on the 24 th and that ambient level is set during event times and i know there is other

explanations but thereat is the motion, is that correct? is there a second? >> second. >> motion and second. do you have a comment? >> i ask if a amendment can be made-the applicant said they asked for the permit until 7, but they generally ended at 6. i think that is great, but i like if at all possible that we could end at 6. if they do need a few minutes to have like a soft shut down maybe we do until 610 and give 10 minutes. >> that sounds reasonable to me. commissioner lee is that fine? >> i accept that friendly amendment. >> commissioner thomas is that okay? >> yes >> let's take a vote. >> on the amended motion, commissioner perez, aye. commissioner

thomas, aye. commissioner caminong, aye. >> the motion passes. there is still more work to be done so we'll check back in during the commission meeting our outside with our staff. let's move to we have 4 more permits tonight so move to the next one. emporium sf. >> our first permit application is a place of entertainment mechanical amusement devise and billiard porler permits. this is located at 616 6 divisadero. this will be a combination of cla classic arcade and live

event. they have 25 [inaudible] 10 pen ball machines, [inaudible] as well as live music and film screening. in your file you see letters of support from the neighborhood including a letter from their next door neighbor, the independent as well as the north of pan handle neighborhood association. i haven't receivered any opposition for the permit applications. northern station approves with the good neighbor as a condition and the owners brothers doug and danny marks are here to tell more about it. >> i see connor johnson from supervisor breeds office. you are welcome to speak first. we will have the brothers come up. maggie can help you

out. i don't think that works so you have to talk into the other one. >> good evening. danny marks. my brother doug. we own emporium and have two locations in chicago and as the announcement said before we started, it is a combination of classic arcade, live event venue, tavern, among other things. there it is. so, a little history, we opened first location in 2012, emporium wicker park. we -the pictures are a little small. if you would like to see them later we can e-mail the packet. we opened the second location in 2014 in

logan neighborhood. they have a similar neighborhood in the neighborhood we are proposing to move in san francisco. we focus on games such as classic arcade like pack man, donkey cong , pool tables, fooz ball, air hockey communal games. it is a social environment. you can see we have a large screen. one location we do film screenings to presentations to even independent game event and that type of thing. more pictures of different games. we have a progressive beverage program and work with local and regional brewerys and distilleries and try to get those organizations involved with our events and they are already very involved in the communities so usually a

good partnership. live event venue. we offer live music to charity fundraisers and everything between. work with local artist and commissioned murals on all our walls. that is something we hope to do here. it is all very community driven and you know, it is usually a good thing. we work with groups. our food program usually consists of more of a food partnership. in the upper right we have a food truck permit in one location where we bring local restaurant that do a pop up thing every weekend . we also have a byof policy the local restaurants love because we are not in competition with them. good reviews on line. emporium san francisco started when jack

[inaudible] covered by the subtitles, life long friend of my from chicago and lived in san francisco for 10 years with wife brook and came to chicago and saw our business and thought it would be great in san francisco. we found the hearting theater and fell in love with the space and neighborhood and did research and learned the neighbor had sort of [inaudible] there had bine a lot of back and forth about the future of the space over the last several years. it was saved from demolition several times due to preservation type movement so the first thing we did is met with the neighborhood groups last may went to the square groop and september in north of panhandle group and try to maintain contact and received feed pm back how to taylor our

concept well for thir community. we have been continuely wanting to work with these groups and make sure what we do is what we want to do but also what they want us to do. we have been in contact with supervisor breeds office and everyone is very supportive. we signed our lease in november and had the cup hearing in november. the plans for the space are restore to the preserve as much hof of the architectural detail as possible which is all most all of it and restore to former glory. so, our plans for the space obviously we understand that --there isn't much left. the plans for the space we take our operations seriously. all the servers and staff are certificated and understand

there is similar certifications for alcohol servers and manager servers here in california and san francisco and we are very strict about enforcing those. the security plans as well, you know good-we have full surveillance cameras throughout our properties. good exterior lighting. lead training of the security personnel on site and you know, we want to make sure that all good neighbor policies we take that very seriously and it we haven't had issues in our current communities. this is sort of a hard to read but the floor plan the space. a lot of games. you can kind of see we have games throughout and the stage and restore the original stage and bar and we have a-good bal cuany space for

private events. it is a great community, the divisadero corridor changed but great community. we see ourselves as a destination spot which should bring a lot of new people to the neighborhood that can patronize the businesses and hope to be a good neighbor in that regard as well. that is pretty much it. i'm sure there are questions and sure the noise issue will come up. we have not done sound proofing as of yet. the building was designed to be a entertainment space so has thick concrete wall squz acousticly designed as all buildings were back in the days before high tech sound systems where the sound had to do well within the space so we are hoping we can utilize the natural original build of

the space and not have to use excessive amplification but because we are still in the construction phase we will work closely with sound contractors to make sure as we go we design the system to hopefully meet and be good for the community and neighbors. thank you. >> thank you. this is a really exciting. i think we have seen it for a long time i wonder what will go in so glad you have come from out of state. one question about there floor plan, is it flexible or i'm just trying to imagine when you have live acts are you setting it up a different way or will the pool tables be there? >> the pool table thrz there is a pool table dolly which is a exciting thing to move a pool table with one hand but try to keep the spacing flexible. the way it is set up now the floor has a

slope to it and when we went to planning they were very concerned we maintain the original so we will build 3 platforms on the main auditorium space and bal cuny so we have flat spaces to put the games on. so, this space of the games are movable but think we are building in a way-the idea it isn't just like a normal concert venue where you stand at a band, you play pool or play games while you watch a bands so you get a little of everything. it is fully interactive experience. it isn't you are standing with the person you came with and interact with the person. there isn't nightly live events. it will probably be i would say one to 3 our 4 days a week we have an event and that will ebb and flow defendant depend on th

e bookings we get. we like to the capability to bring in different types of entertainment and you know- local entertainers >> judging by your history in other cities what type of acts do you bring in? what motivated me is thinking about are you creating another independent like right next door or are we really adding a different type of venue there? are you talking about you said it is one to 4 nights a week, but are we thinking acts that are touring throughout the country or local? >> it is range of stuff. it isn't another independent and won't be rock bands 6 nights a week. my

guess is we will have rock bands 3 nights a month, 4 nights a month but one night it is a rock band and another a game tournament and one night a movie thing, probably dj's on the weekend, but that isn't like dance clug dj's it is more ambient music. it is more we have the classic gamesland to a little bit of 80's 90's thing so that is sometimes mixed it but popular music and rock music and mix of stuff but it is not hard core dance club music and it won't be a nightly rap venue either. we do do rock bands but because we have this entertainment component we are at libty to not drive our business just through live

music, which a lot of live venues if there isn't a live band-we have a draw and can be more choosy with our programs. >> i is a few more questions but will open up to other commissioners. >> it sounds like you control all activities. you hire a dj and your security. >> we do a mix of things, we work with promoters and oretd groups that want to put on events at our space. other grumes are bringing in our booking our space and do rentals on occasion if that works and have a big group with a big space. >> do you provide your own sound system that is adjusted to your space? >> yes >> that would have to use your system. >> what we do is have a base house system anyone can use if groups

want to come in and supplement that they can. >> i think once the inspector sets the level if you go over it you will have neighborhood issues i'm sure. >> absolutely. we want to be mindful of that and hopefully we'll be able to do significant testing before we start that can set our ceiling. at our current space we have a pretty good sym there so don't want others coming in and using their systems. it isn't an auditorium or arena where people need 250 bring in a system >> it is dependent on the band. sometimes they want certain equipment and if they don't do it you dont get the band and sometimes people overlook that part of it. >> i guess what i'll say is we'll work within the ordinances and

whatever the regulations are. >> other questions, commissioners? >> when are you scheduled to launch? >> there is always delays but right now we were hoping for mid-to late fall. now we are probably looking at early 2017, february is what we are targeting now. >> can you tell us about your community outreach? it sound like you started with people that were trying to preserve the build{have letters of support but have you come across any opposition? >> not really. we have been to the the alamo square neighborhood association, north of panhandle neighborhood association a couple times. we have been in contact, there is divisadero merchant association which seems on a temporary hiatus, but there is a big e-mail list so have been

reaching out from there and letters of support from a few people in that group and try to stay in touch as much as possible. people have been pretty supportive and encouraging for the most part. there is some discussion people were hoping we could possibly do in under 21 certain hours which we are trying to figure if the is a way to do that. that is really the only push back is 21 plus venue may not be what everyone wants. obviously you will never bow able to do what everyone wants but we are open to something like that. the only issue with that to do the type of-we need to be a restaurant or bar and if we are a rest raupt we need to make modifications to allow a kitchen and also we lose that sim beoses. we can't allow under 21 people unless we are a restaurant and if we are

a restaurant we have to really boo a restaurant. we are open to further exploring >> there are a couple large residential developments coming up behind you and next door and down the block and we are doing our best to insure those properties and future residents don't complain about the crowds you will bring. having not been open and opating we don't know the impact so put something on your radar to not just reach out to folks there now but notify and be friendly to the residents that will be coming in. it is looking like the commissioners have more questions so will open tupe public comment and ask connor johnson to come up. you guys can have a seat. >> president and good evening. connor johnson board stooch to london

breed. the harding theateer sits in district 5. i didn't prepare a speech but was going barrow remarks michele obama made a few years ago. had to jump on that while it was still re relevant. thrfs a meets at the board of supervisors going oon down stair so great to be here. when supervisor breed first ran for supervisor back in 2012, this is one thing that important to her is achieve the activation and preservation of the hardings theater. for those that are not familiar with the buildings t is a beautiful buildings, previously a theater and church and sat and riddleed with graffiti for over a decade. it is a source of [inaudible] disagreements and it was important to

her tomake sure it was activated in a way that brought the community together and preserved that beautiful building and think we achieved that and thatd is in no small part thank thooz the alamo square neighborhood association represented here this evening and north of pan pm handle. i want to thank all those people. if we also didn't take credit i want to point out thisalcy probably wouldn't be possible without our office and your commission and staff center done over the last couple years. in twnt 14 working with director jauslen and former staff who is here, we passed legislation reforming the 30 year old ban on arcades in san francisco and your commission and staff was a ininstrumental part of making that happen. as a result [inaudible] in the upper haight has been able to keep the pen ball machines and leagues and brew cade my personal favorite bar

in the upper market has been able to open and be successful. they have wine slurpys that are delicious. i degress. in twnt 14 2015 we passed legislation to protect night life zenues like the independent. that was the first in the country and our office and your commission and community did that together. the success we are seeing has a lot of parents. the community is huge part of making this happen. the folks from chicago are great partners and really receptive and responsive to the community and work we have done inside the building legislate ivly helped lay the ground work. the winner is dh community because we will have a beautiful building activated so thank you and look forward to your support. >> thank you very much.

michele. any public comment? we will open for public comment now. please come on up. not sure if it is one or more than one you can start sending up two. >> my nime is mark [inaudible] actually the architect work wg dan and doug as well as the owners of the building and the architect for new construction on the [inaudible] which is a new 5 story 7 unit condo building a long time in the making and restoration thof harding. i did want to say we are taking extreme consideration and working [inaudible] for sound proofing of the condo minium and working with legislation in place to make sure future resident there are well served with sound insulation and being aware of the venue that is knhing in at the harding as well as other venues

on the streets. other than that it is a project that i have been working on since 2003 so very eager to see this come to fruition. we started restoration of certain asspects of the building and forth coming with permits for the improvements for the future emporium sf. thank you and hope you support the project. >> any other public comment on this? >> good evening, commissioners. [inaudible] i'm a consultant but not to this projeblth. as i sat and watched a building here that is vacant for 10 years, it does take a special owner operator to invest financially to pult into the space. i was thrill today watch the presentation baz as the speaker was speaking he talked about a lot of community based things we represent in the city and being

born and raised here, these guys get it. maybe chicago is showning us on knowing how. i think by supporting them, we will fix the building up, bring energy to it and vibeeracy to the area. it is just what we need. i wish them the best of luck in the process because it does take time, but the lights will go on. >> great, any other public comment? going once, going twice. public comment is closed. actually, i don't know if the please had comments on this? we see there is no objection based on the permit inspection. there is only one condition that they submit a security plan and adheres to the good neighbor policy. are you familiar with our good neighbor and received

the document? >> [inaudible] >> there is i believe 12 conditions that all apply to your permit so make sure to see that. alright commissioners, would someone like to the make a motion? >> i would like to make a motion to approve with the stated conditions. >> alright. motion and second. let's take a vote. i will ask same house same call. thank you. >> no opposition, the motion passes. we will move to the third permit tonight, which is the riptide. >> alright commissioners, this permit application is for place of entertainment for riptide at 3639 taraval. had lave music for the last 12 years and coming into

compliance and entered a fire last year and they have been rebuilding their business since then and have come to our office for this place of entertainment permit. they will be continuing entertainment. they host small local bands, they will have karaoke, occasional dj's and more. for background on june 23 the riptide appeared before the manning commission and motion 19677 which we'll see in the file which adopted. in the motion it is poncht pornts to note the planning commission limited hours of operation to end at 1230:30 a.m. sunday through wednesday and 2 a.m. thursdays through saturday. the planning commission is directing the entertainment commission to consider this evening requiring sound atinuation measures as second internal door, additional sound

curtain, sound scramblers and sound atinuation as deemed necessary. the owners can speak to this as they have already begun these measures i believe. please note the riptide received substantial community support. i included a sampling of dozens support letters and many sig xhrs of support of the business from immediate neighbors and supporters of the business itself including a letter from supervisor katy tangs auchs. you will see 6 letters from neighbors and supporting documents in protest of this permit this evening. taraval station approves the application with recommendation that the entertainment commission consider further limited sunday through wednesday to end at 11 p.m. opposed to 12:30 a.m. stop the planning

commission recommendation. they recommended there is no bingo allowed but ininstructed the owners bingo isn't in the purview of the permit and ininstructed how to ply for the permits through pd. the final recommendation is exterior cameras. we have the owners david quinby and lesley mobley. >> hello, the other mic. >> good evening, thank you for your time. david quinnby, this is lesley mobley, we have been business partners just over 20 years, 12 years at the riptide and here to ask for your support of the recent planning department decision to grant

the riptide an entertainment permit. we opened in 2003 and at that point we immediately resumed entertainment as had every incarnation before us since the late 1940's. so, we resumed the music 2003 and mainly also like movies, open mic, blue grass, about a 750 square foot space. use today be a bate shop so it is a small space. maggie mentioned the fire, we had a fire august 18, 2017 2015 and just about to reopen. two great things that came from the fire, one was community support . incredible outreach we have been able to speak with everyone and 99 percent positive. 20 venues

put on benefit concerts for us which blew our mind and it changed our lives to see that kind of support. 20 different shows and different venues. great american [inaudible] all the different places. we never as far as supervisorss we have been there 12 years with fiona [inaudible] carmen chiu and katy tang and there is never a complaint to their office or entertainment as far as i'm aware. taraval station says we average 4 noise complaint per year which they say is extremely low. we are not changing our programming at all. the other thing that came from the fire is we were able-it was a bait shop with quarter inch pine walls and now we have

photographs but rebuilt this- the fire department came just in time and were able to save the studs and stringers, and we were able to unsilation and sheetrock two layers. as far at the security plan we covered all that. we will have dedicated staff [inaudible] sidewalks and supervisor tang and ashly summers and carmen chi u did a huge street improvements and now the whole place is lit up. we have flood lights as well and sign that illuminates and installing security cameras as soon as the mural is done being fixed

or painted. lastly i want to say it is a incredible community support. the sound system is being donated. the piano companies asked us to come to the show room and pick a piano which we find incredible and sf opera a couple people from there are doinating their time to give rose bud curtains like the thickest curtains possible. they are donating those and sewing them for all the doors and windows and behind the bands. we have about a thousand letters of support and 4 or 5 with concerns which we addressed. any other questions-- >> great. i'm excited, congratulations taking a tragedy and turning into something new. we often talk

about entertainment and night life in certain parts the sate so it is nice to see someone from the outer sun set come in and say we need a place to congregate and build community. commissioners, not sure if you have questions, i don't have a whole lot. >> can you explain how-i am reading some of the complaint or protests and can you tell me about how you handle your sound? what would you do at the end of the night when if it time for everyone to go home >> we get people out otabout 145 and have dedicated staff making sure people move along and go hopefully to bikes or walk home. most of the people live around there. most support letters came from 300 foot radius, so we had over 200 from the 300 foot

radius. to answer your question, we will have dedicated staff make sure people move on their way. and also we changed our bottle recycling. used to be around 1230:30 pm and made it noon now. there is a couple across the street who repsychosqul said they will come at noon the following day so thought that would be helpful. >> and it is your own policy but what do you do-there are smokers outside and will smoke outside so in front of your space do you have designated staff for that to sweep up our- >> we have something pretty much where there is a movie each night of

the week, so more laid back nights where it is trivia there is a dedicated member of the staff. anything that the band with-we had bands from all over the world. we are mainly local and regional acts but also over the world ovthe last 12 years. on those nights we heeur guard security people, so just one because our facade is only about 23 feet wide so if they stay in the center they have two [inaudible] you can stand in the middle of the two doors and monitor everything and make sure people keep voices down and that type of thing. and when they finish smoking get back in or move on. >> alright. >> commissioner thomas. >> so, the police department

has recommended no amplifyed sound past 11 p.m. sunday through wednesday which is shorter timeframe, is that acceptable condition for you? >> another thing to continue to do what we are doing, the long history of entertainment i think what the planning commission set forth was fair. >> with 12:30. >> 12:30, sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday to 2 o'clock thursday, friday saturday. >> what the police department recommended is sunday through wednesday 11 p.m. and sticking with 2 a.m. thursday through saturday. >> it sounds like he said that he would like it to not be what the police- >> 12:30 to 11? >> >> yes.

>> to 12. >> 12:30. >> got it. um, commissioners other questions? commissioner frost and then commissioner [inaudible] >> it does say security cameras here. how long do you think you will keep copies of- >> we thought 30 days. 30 to 60 days s. we don't want to run over tapes. probably dvr. we want to keep in case-it was a very high crime area and luckily that turned around. all the businesses used to be shuttered and we were the only light on the block and there are 11 businesses opening around us so that is a beautiful thing that is happening. so, the crime will go down once everybody opens but think we would

keep the recordings at least 2 months, 60 days. >> thank you. >> commissioner prer ez. >> thank you for coming in. i just want to say i was touched on your story about the industry folks helping with your fundsraiser after the fire. very impressive and very cool. i also appreciate you have a lot of letters of support and signatures from the neighbors. there are two letters of complaint or protest, i wonder if you had a chance to reach out to those two particular people? >> we had 3 community meet lgz at the synagogue just about 4 doors up. 46th and taraval. we had 3 community outreach meetings and spoken with all the-both of those people >> you were able to solve the problem that they have our issues they have? >> it is mainly the main

complaint is general bar noise, it isn't the entertainment or the band or all that which will be very taken care of. we have the 5/8 sheet rock so it will be contained in the lock box. >> can you pass the photo's up? >> you can put them in the screen if you want. >> we were able to put installation, r 30, the most resilient and best installation and then a 5/8 sheet rock, a layer of green glue, 5/8s again on all walls and ceiling in the front and the wood panelling that was there which was the only sound reinforcement we are going back to curtains and sound baffle and what was the other stuff?

the echo eliminator, sound panels and had those around the band before and behind the curtains. it was very [inaudible] it will be much more now. >> it appears a lot is around crowd control and whether smokers or people leaving as they exist the bar making sure not to scream and respect the neighbors. >> exactly. >> part of our good neighbor policy is have signs outside saying keep it quitet. . we have always had those and will have them a little bigger this time so people can see them. >> great. other questions? >> just make sure that the people that are concerned about the noise that they have a phone number that they can call that will be answered. >> absolutely. we have a land line at the bar any time they can call

and talk to us, but they can also contact us on a separate cell phone like during the day or whatever and leave a message and we'll get back to them so we will always be in contact. we see them every day. we are there working every day. we have been talking to them since 2001 so a lot of good contact. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when did you say you are planning to open, august? >> about 10 days. we are letting the varnish dry on the bar, so we will open without the piano and sound system because people are wanting to [inaudible] it is a community hub gathering place so we will start events as soon as we get the sound equipment. >> great. why don't you have a seat. i think we are good with you.

any police that would like to comment on this? >> i'm the officer with taraval station. the original when we originally-this started with them not having a entertainment permit from day one which they explained to me that they thought they were grandfathered in so that is mute point because the fire changed everything on that. the first meeting we had was set up by the opposition that wanted to talk and invited mr. quinby to the synagogue and i went to the meeting. there was a lot of support for the bars and concerns within the neighborhood about noise, about the sound and so on and so forth.

so, we came to a conclusion that sunday through monday we have some kind of a work a deal out where the music doesn't go too late. on june 15, i sent the entertainment commission my recommendation and that recommendation was actually no amplifyed sound after 10 o'clock. that would be sunday through wednesday. i received a call that afternoon from mr. quinby on the cell phone and said 10 o'clock is hard for us, can you just to 11 o'clock and i can said absolutely, that sounds fair to me. i don't think the neighbors will mind and agreed on the 11 o'clock. i said, i think that is fair. that is what we recommended and then i resent my recommendation last week

stating the 11 o'clock. that is something i had to put in to know this was not going to happen because they didn't have a license for bingo and that was something they have to work on down the road and the security cameras we ask pretty much everybody for those now. that 11 o'clock was basically kind of a compromise for the neighbors and the bar and we kind of thought and i thought that was a fair deal and mr. quinby at the time when we talked about it said he thought it was fair. whether things are changing or whether the planning commission said that is up to you. whatever. other than that, i will say when the planning commission asked for our recommendation i told them we don't give recommendations because that isn't something we get involved in but asks for statistics in the last 2 years for calls for

service and they had been closed for half a year but in the last year and a half they had 14 noise complaints to the riptide bar and then it was a couple-there was one a robbery but that was something outside the bar so we can't say that happened and it was a patron the bar. there were a couple calls for crazy people but that is in this city that is the norm. there is one thing i do have to say though, i understand mr. quinby's part about doing business, but this is not broadway. this is a 3600 block of taraval street. by 10 o'clock at night on a monday, tuesday, wednesday or thursday, it is quiet. in no way do we want to say you can't run your business but i have to say being born and raised in that neighborhood the

sidewalks were up at 9 at night. it is quite out there. the only thing i can say is that there is a lot of new proposed businesses on that block. there is a proposed bar that will be opening across the street from the riptide with no music, it is just a regular bar, but there is a restaurant and a few other things so there is more action going on out there which we understand. our recommendation was what it is. >> great. thank you for the explanation. we have any questions? >> just one comment. the entertainment commission was formed our inspectors did take over the primary responsibility of finding out and keeping people in compliance, but if you can ask the officers at your station that when they do go to

bars orwhatever to check the permits and let our gis know if there is somebody out ofidate with their permit because if there are 14 call squz the police department had been there that many times i am hoping someone would have checked for a entertainment permit. our big thing here is get people in compliance and can only do that with your help. >> i agree, i don't work at night so i'm not out there but if i get a complaint i go to the bar and find out if they have the proper-i know the commission was formed in 2003 so sure there are other places that are in the same situation and we want to know about them too and thereat is thing. we rely in the sense of complaints of the neighbors and act on that. i try and do as much as i can to do that.

>> thank you, appreciate it. i will open for public comment. can i see a raise of hands to talk about the riptide? how many for and against? so, let's do this as quickly as possible. you don't have to fill out a speaker card but please speak state your name and statement. i will limit public comment to 1 minute at a time so please say your comments in that one minute. we can get a line forming on either side of the room and we'll just alternate. i will ask our former staff mrs. blackstone to kick it off. >> i raised my hand. hello. thank you very much. i am candy blackstone, sun set district resident and this is my

neighborhood bar. i appreciate what officer fall ono said. i will say that the riptide has put in a lot of sound proofing and it is untested at this point. it shouldn't matter once the inspectors have done sound test. how late it goes as long as you can't hear it from outside. i ask you give a shot and see how it goes. i want to let you know san francisco we are hearing is losing music venues, we don't have any really in the sunset. there are tons of development happening there, there is new apartments going up all over the place and these people will want somewhere to go and riptide is a community hub and a place to see live entertainment and it is a great place and think you should go ahead and approve the permit to the planning commission recommendation. >> thank you. if you heard the

first tone and bell that means you have 30 more seconds. why don't we take this side and alternate. >> good evening. thank you for letting me speak. marry [inaudible] and i'm a life long sunset resident so things that effect the sunset effect me. i'm completely in agreement with the owners who i find have great integrity and have done substantial work to try and handle the noise in the bar such as it is. i have to talk about the gambleing when you talked about bingo. some refer to it as noisy gambleing. it is one woman with a microphone and probably the only noise you will hear is bingo. if someone calls it gamble ing it is not and no money is exchanged. i want to reiterate the community support and the fact it is a great place and myself and scores of

others capt wait for it to reopen. thank you. >> thank you. >> my name is james nob snob and i have been a resident in san francisco for the past 11 years. lived at 29th and taraval and going to the riptide and hearing the country music shows there inspired me to become part of the country and fwlu rr grass scene here. i'm a professional sound engineer and the type of music they have isn't loud music, it is quite. i'm sure the decibel level is very very low and just hope to see-i want to reiterate what the lady said before me about we are losing really important venues and need to fight to keep the riptide open and i hope they can stay have music

late to 12 or 12:30 or i urge you to consider that request and just want to give the riptide the best of luck. >> thank you. you want to come up? >> my name is [inaudible] i reside at 36 26 taraval in san francisco. i pray this committee be leaders and not follows. there is a conflict of interest having held positions of this committee and offering advise to the riptide mrs. tammy blackstone, the omitted-omissions. there is lying in two ways. omission and lying.

to this committee since opening in 04, the riptide has caused disturbances of sleep, use of housing, illegal use of riptide premise. patrons said of riptide, urinating defecating [inaudible] >> sir, your time is up. i apologize. thank you. >> my name is mitch [inaudible] i am the [inaudible] professional musician since 1999. we are gathered at a important time of the neighborhood. treasure that is the riptide but a important type of direction of san francisco itself. we have a phoenix situation. a rebuilding which is san francisco tradition and staying

true to create a city that inivist and create fertile ground and individualality and a world cultural stage thmpt riptide is small representation of the big picture of old san francisco. a place of gathering that welcomes all folks. provides stable ground for quality entertainment t is more than just a bar t is a feeling of home for many folks because home is who you surrounds with as much as a building. [inaudible] entire staff of the riptide understand this and are lucky to have them in san francisco. the positive community oriented intentions and goals are clear. we are confronted with a shit in the shift in the sate and urge they have live music to 12:30 and [inaudible] >> thank you very much. good evening,

melissa ruben. i live across there street slightly east of the riptide. other than the sound leakage and actions of patrons the entertainment draw as younger and more disruptive crowd and know living in such close proximity and prefer those entertain ment and [inaudible] ended by 11 p.m. i tried to speak about cutting back entertainment hours in the past and told they would comply with the law whatever that may be. i have talked to taraval station in the past back in march of 2015 regarding the riptide and whether they did have a permit for entertainment and other issues that we were having with them regarding sound and noise and patron issues and i was told they would check into it but were good guys and the police work it out with them which i have done over 8

years. prior to the fire started to file complaint with abc against them. >> your time is up. thank you. >> jose [inaudible] run the [inaudible] tracks the honky-tonk and western swing in the bay area and have been at there riptide many times and wanted to talk about what goes on outside the riptide that i think is very important for success of this bar to be there. i had the misfortune to go there looking for a restroom and there is one at theened of tear victim in the 90's, when i found it was closed suroupded by garbage. i made my way to the sand bar to get a beer from very shaky beady eyed people and used the restroom and get out as quickly as i can.

what is happened since it has taken over the restrooms is open and got the garbage cleaned up. street festivals and culture happened out there. it is a great blessing to it outer sunset and hope the commissioners will continue to let it happen 6789 >> thank you. the second bell means times up. >> okay. hello, my name is janet [inaudible] live a couple doors down from the riptide. thank you for allowing me to address the commission. i have taken a $250 cut in pay today to attend this meeting so it is important to me. i have a letter i would like toprint to you which out lines the things i think the entertainment commission should know before making any decisions. in twnt 03 i contacted abc regarding the opening of the riptide and were give anisette of rules

they needed to abide by. not only have they ignoreed the rules but outright disrespeptful to the residents of the neighborhood. any time any spoke to david quinby he would change the subject or give the run aroun. he acts if he is above the law and can kooas he pleases. he gave the neighbors a one day [inaudible] post thd wrong day on the flier he distributed. >> your time is up, but you can hand the letter and we can read the rest. thank you. >> i wasn't planning to speak but thought i would. my name is daria, [inaudible] lived in the outer sunset for the last few years. i have been going to riptide for quite a few years and seems like a responsible

professional type of crowd i hang out with there and my daughter who is 22 is in a band, she also lives out in the outer sunset and has been hanging out. i feel when they went to ocean beach i feel it is better and safer to geto the riptide and think it is a nice [inaudible] nice people and not really like wild party people, they are kind of responsible and she has grown up in san francisco and think it is a great place. >> thank you. thank you for being under time. >> danny [inaudible] a dedicated staff member that can make it here today. i worked in the saturday, sunday nights where there was live music. i was the one who cut them off exactly at midnight, and 10:30 with [inaudible] i sweep up the cigarette butts.

i want to touch base about monday and tuesday where we have monday open mic and tuesday karaoke. karaoke doesn't get started until 10:30. cutting off amplifyed sounds at 11 o'clock would be detrimental to tuesday night business as well as monday night, same thing with open micism we have sign ups about 8:30. about 20 people sign up in a minute. we have singer song writer until midnight. i hope we can get to 12:30 for those. that will be huge. >> thank you. any other public comment on riptide application? i don't see any so public comment is closed. we have seen the police commission

and heard from the public. is there a motion that anyone would like to make? >> what is on the table right now? they say 12:30 is what they are looking for now? >> the planning commission had approved up to 12:30 sunday-wednesday. the police department sound like the history they talked about stopping at 10 p.m. and after discussing with the applicant agreed on 11 p.m. though the applicant today says they would like to 12:30 a.m. on week days sunday to wednesday. we could do sort of like a sort-we could do a condition that could be temporary where for 6 month period of time we do until 11 and

thensuming all goes well our staff we can entitle the staff to list that and let it be 12:30. that is one option. >> so, the planning departments recommendation is unusual. want to tell the neighbors that the extensive remodeling on the inside for sound probably will keep everything in. i know your concerns are probably outside. we have to give it a shot and i think with the good neighbor policy i like to add we put a condition on here that the-they sweep the front and keeping their area clean and also their security to get everybody for loitering around when it is time to go home as a extracondition. >> good neighbor policy, number

3 says employees shall walk 100 foot radius from the premises sometime between 30 minutes after closing and 8 a.m. the following morning and pick up and dispose and discharge beverage containers and other trash left my entertainment patrons. that is part of the current good neighbor policy, you can add to that if you like. it sounds like there is also concern about noise around the premises. there are items that address that including having a phone number that is active that can be called should a neighbor complain and want that noise to be lowered, so- >> i agree that area is really quiet and know having any type of [inaudible] people noise will probably wake up people. but the bar has been

there a long time and understand there has been issues but under a permit there is control and recourse to the owner. what i'm thinking-we can always limit the hours now and if they want to come back and extend it again. they can reapply for that if we want to set up a certain time. >> i think to save everyone time i prefer if we were to limit the hours at this point in time to give a timeframe around that and allow our staff to determine at that point whether they can be lifted to remove that particular condition. again, commissioners, it is our choice, so i think it sounds like the most contichant thing is the hours at this point. >> it sounds like you are looking for motion to approve with the condition from the planning commission

and condition from the police department that sunday-wednesday no amplifyed sound past 11 p.m. thursday-saturday amplifyed sound till 2 a.m. and exterior security cameras and that we ask that they come back whether we want staff to assess in 6 months and give staff the ability to move the 11 to 12:30 in 6 months if they are not issues. >> let's take one motion so let's set it at 11 and they can come back to us at a later date, or with the additional condition of the 6 month time period. >> 11 week days. >> sunday to wednesday. >> 1 or 2 o'clock. >> it says 2 and no one recommended anything earlier than 2.

>> this is the planning report. the planning has recommendation of 1. >> can i ask a quick question. the amplifyed music doesn't include i pod or juke box? >> no. >> [inaudible] >> no micing but you can play a i pod and i tunes. >> dj stops at 12:30. >> we hope you can give a chance to start at 12 thrt thirty clck and if there a problem taper it back. i think we had a really long history out in taraval station. >> why don't you have a seat, that was a little out of order. commissioners again- >> what is on the table, 11? >> what is on the table is whatever someone moves so we can decide -give me

time to work with and days to work with. >> we were just discussing >> if you like to entertain what the police conditions have that is a good place to start and can add or substract from there. so, would someone like to make a motion? >> sure. i'll make a motion we approve this with the condition from the police department. >> there is motion to approve with police conditions which are sunday-wednesday no amplifyed sound past 11 p.m. and thursday -saturday no amplifyed sound past 2 a.m. and exterior security cameras. is there any- >> i just have a point of question i guess. language on amplifyed sound is confusing to me. if you as a commission want to talk about entertainment that is much clearer with

respect to commission enforcement capability. amplifyed sound is not- >> it is a speaker. >> again, so we are talking about a indoor place of entertainment, so i need you to be clear if entertainment ends and it is defined in the code which isn't about amplification or not. >> thank you for calling that to our attention. that is the question our applicant had too. so, to the person that made the motion, you want to clarify? >> um, yeah. so the police condition says no amplifyed sound but that is not a phrase that means anything in this context so say no

entertainment. instead of no amplifyed sound >> it is a place of entertainment permit, not a amplifyed sound. >> right. thank you. >> great. so, the motion is no entertainment past 11 p.m. sunday-wednesday and no entertainment past [inaudible] motion and second. >> any further discussion? let's take a vote. >> commissioner perez, aye. thomas, aye. caminong, aye. lee, aye. frost, aye. tan, aye. >> the motion is passes and contingent upon sound test and clearance from staff, so sound tests allow for ambient sound or takes a measurement of ambient sound and assures when the

sound test occur ambient sound isn't leaking outside, so hopefully that is some of the concerns of neighbors, but we can revisit this if we need to, so good luck and good luck with the opening. >> do we want to ask staff in particular to check in and that if there are no problems welcome coming back in 6 months or so? >> the applicant- >> and leave it to the applicant to come back no sooner than 6 months to request. no like live entertainment so they can play i pods. >> go into the micro phone. >> i cht to be clear so we know. juke box and i pod is fine but no live band. >> exactly. >> no live comedy.

>> and the concerning neighbors make sure you get the phone number to the premise and--okay. >> i will close this and move to the next item. item number 5 is-sorry. item number 4, permit is scpo divineo. >> our next permit is for limited live performance for scopo divino at 2800 california street. i received several letters of support. i haven't received letters of protest. richmond station approved the application with recommendation that the entertainment

conduct a sound test. the owner tim hameen is here to tell you more about his premises. >> hello. >> how are you. i am opening a wine bar and open tomorrow and got our first press two hours ago. >> congratulations. >> thank you. the focus is we do wine from around the world. we find a excellent chef. the food will be incredible. something we have done is taken over a space that was for the last 25 years a mediterranean deli called food inc. that corner had a lot of change. [inaudible] moved on fillmore. any case, food inc. without the permit was running there for a long time. the neighborhood when they heard i was coming in they came to me and like police please tell me you

are bringing back jazz. you got some letters i can tell you that was one of the big things. please bring back this food and the jazz. i wanted to be above board with this. i have gotten permits where there were things they didn't permit so wanted to do it the right the way. i brought in friends who are musicians to look at the space to see what we are doing to make sure they feel comfortable. i have seen them at other venues they do acoustics works well with what they are doing and the sound doesn't bleed where they play. i experienced that myself. along those lines wine bars cater to a lot of women that talk and get wide and have sound proofing in the ceil and something we are ready for. [laughter]. >> thanks.

>> we spent money on a ceiling to help absorb sound. one of the benefits is it will keep the sound from traveling. our building is a 4 storey building and one condo above us and received support from the entire building. i understand the police department recommended that but the building is really excited about what we are doing. we predict quite a bit of support from this at this point. also we are not seeing the [inaudible] which is nice. we did practice [inaudible] and walked around to see whut what it was like i-- >> are you planning to have jazz every night? >> not every night. they did two or three nights a week and we are looking at-- >> keep talking. >> no problem. we want the ability to

do it a few nights a week and some we have brunch on sundays it is a bridge between brunch and evening is a gad time. some evening it is a good addition to what we are doing there. what i feel we are doing is bringing the arts back to that corner. the corner is vibrant at this point. [inaudible] is a award winning place in the city. [inaudible] which i think is nice. there are new owners [inaudible] doing revamp of their kitchen so seeing energy on that corner but think we will be able to provide that culture. i'm a big fan of jazz and new orleans and they had classical in there so contacted the

classical [inaudible] that played at food inc. catering to what the neighborhood was telling me and say bring these guys back. >> that is great business responding to demds and hopes and dreams of the people around. i will turn to the commissioners. >> [inaudible] 10 o'clock. >> that is a little later so we are comfortable with that. i understand from the thingsent by maggie it is 10 o'clock in the first year and 11 in the second. >> if you want it. >> for now we are comfortable with 10. >> great. it doesn't look like there is any knowledge special from the police, they just want a sound

test conducted. i'll open for public comment. any public comment on scopo divino. there is none. happy to entertain a motion. >> move to approve. >> motion. >> second. >> moved and second. great. let's take a vote. >> with the sound test? does it include the sound test? >> yes. >> okay. on the motion-i lost my house. commissioner perez, aye. thomas, aye. caminong, aye. tan, aye. >> the motion passes. good luck with that permit. jazz at that corner again. we will move to the last permit, which is d'maize >> the final permit for the evening is limited live performance permit

for d'maize located at 2778 24th street. d'maize is elsalvadorian restaurant that like live performance permit. i receivered several letters of support and over 100 signatures. no letters oof protest. the own rers zenaida merlin and luis estrada are here to talk about . >> we came to san francisco and spent our life in [inaudible] half of the other life in san francisco. we would

like to promote [inaudible] we just have a restaurant that was [inaudible] now we just get the place and we reopen with our restaurant and we would like to promote our food with the comp lmentary music. we believe [inaudible] we have multi-several letters of support from the community. we are more than happy to have that [inaudible] we like to have some live music in the restaurant and believe it is really good potential and have a lot of music in the area like a theater and musical cultural center and

many other non profit organizations who promote and have a live and cultural music. our main idea is promote the culture through the music. we are not expecting to have a loud our messy-too much messism . we are a family restaurant. operation hours are 8 in the morning to 8 p.m. but without permit we would like to promote until 10 p.m. or family business or family restaurant style. we are not pretending to have a bar or many mess in the restaurant. we are-we have a cameras inside and outside as well to have everything in control. also we will try to limit it like 3

beers per person to don't have too much. [laughter] >> did i hear you say you close at 8 now but will stay open to 10 after this permit? >> now we are trying to keep our team nice and rested enough, but we are -wewill see if on weekends we stay until 10 p.m. >> and also with that permit we could get the ability to have more employees and more position in our [inaudible] >> is entertainment going to go with your catering too? >> yes. >> that isn't what the permit is about, just curious. questions from commissioners? commissioner thomas and then commissioner caminong. >> i have a question. i'm a

neighbor and i'm very happy that you moved into the place and love your popusas and thank you. i'm glad you are there and i fully intend to vote in favor. >> you can envoy entertainment. that is great. commissioner caminong. >> so, i just noted on your application it says the hours of operation are 9 to 9 p.m., so you want it to be 8 a.m. to- >> when we filled out the application we worked from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. but we are closing at 8. >> right now we just want to give the time our team to have the quality time with their family because we believe they need to stay at home early and then in that time we have a opportunity to

extend to the third shift to another team to have like a third shift time so we trying to be flexible. >> i understand. thank you. >> questions? >> helly hello. who will be in charge of backing booking and hiring entertainment >> i will bhee in charge to make sure everything is not too loud. also, we have done all the people leave around, they have our phone number. also it is posted in the windows outside, both the line phone and my personal cell phone i always take with me and we have definitely tracking no noise in there. >> with some neighbors around and we tell them we want to work with them but

we want the music work for us too and we knew thrrp a couple [inaudible] we told them we are a new business, new family and maybe the additional is a little different than before and that is why we provide the phone number too because we want to make it work for them and work for us too. >> commissioner lee. >> so, you have to understand when you get this license you might be the next new place to hang out so you have to be conscious about the outside and people smoke and you have music inside, you doors and windows because sound will travel. it is limited live you have flexibility as far as having entertainment until 10 but sometimes we had complaint with mar auchy sknand things like that and have to be

cautious about the noise on that. >> commissioner thomas will tell you it is too loud. >> i will say the bravo theater is across the block and there is a fair amount of people coming and going but cosa shan chez had live music as well, so it is back in the neighborhood. >> limited live performance permits are my favorite ones bah we see folks not traditionally interested in being entertainers but use it as a way to attract business. glad you are doing that. thank you very much. why don't you have a seat and looks like there are no police conditions additional to this. it says no issues at this time. i will open up for public

comment. looks like we have a couple folks. great. >> good eerfbening lft thank you for staying here tonight. gabriel [inaudible] the policy manager for mission economic development agencyism we have worked with luis and [inaudible] 5 years with nob nab and the [inaudible] which is our own lending program because it is very hard for our business to be able to access capital. we are very very pleased that they started a business and had their grand opening in may. i had the [inaudible] at the annual event last year. they are some of the best i had and this is a great positive story. this is a latino cultural district and too frequently see a lot of these types of businesses lost. for example in the mission people that make over

$150,000 a year that population has grown 65 percent since 2000 put city wide 10 percent and have seen a big lauz of latino businesses especially ones that are family serving and community serving. i remember going to the old days and know this is not the environment they are trying to build. this is like a family environment fl a alternative venue to have. this is a win for the mission and really happy thanks to our colleagues [inaudible] please today center them so please give the permit until 10 p.m. it isn't possible to move here without community minded landlords like the shanchez family who granted them this opportunity. they created over 20 jobs. rip community space we

are excited to use and so thank you for your assistance and please grant the permit. >> thank you. come on up and go ahead and talk into the micro phone. >> hello [inaudible] coming from a life long from the mission district and born in [inaudible] general hospital and lived on 2758 harrison street until eviction at 12 years old. the casa sanchez is constant and stable. i played there april 21, 2013 and caught my attention and opened my lifer to so many opportunities. george and carlos [inaudible] make great things happen with them. when i graduated high school i didn't go anywhere about there casa sanchez. it is a family friendly environment. i was 17 years

old. i'm glad it is still there and hope nothing but the best for them. [inaudible] we have full support of them for anything. they are a part of the neighborhood and coming from a place that is a mom and pop shop seeing the way it is run now we hope they get until to 10 p.m. not much trouble comes from there if any. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> dara [inaudible] and like commissioner thomas i live around the corner from casa sanchez and what our new incarnation which is [inaudible] i'm on the board of dreckers for lucuseena and we are very very proud for making this work. martha

sanchez and namly made it possible but all the credit goes to luis and zenaida and like you to grant their permit because we need music in our neighborhood. thank you very much. >> thank you. any additional public comment? public comment is closed. commissioners. >> i would love to make a motion that we approve the limited live permit that is requested. >> great. is there is a second? >> i second the motion and the comment about the landlords giving small business a chance, i think more landlords in the city need to help give legacy businesses a chance and glad you know, casa sanchez has done that and hope more follow the lead. >> great and not have places go

to the highest bidders. with that take it a vote >> commissioner perez [inaudible] commissioner thomas, yes. [inaudible] >> motion passes, congratulations good luck. i'll come back by for [inaudible] we will move on the last two items item 6, commissioner comments and questions and believe commissioner lee has a report back he would like to present. >> real quick because commissioner thomas made me an assignment so have to report. gold star, >> the south of market club owners do a mujtly meet wg the police captain which started by captain charley [inaudible] and so every month we get together with

ray bob bitt and sf clubs and meet there when the captain is available when we met with the new captain, caipten dairl [inaudible] and discussed the mission at first was to find out what pride events were going on at the clubs and talked about clubs like dna, mezzanine, the grand and the larger clubs and we meet all the time so we are like jauslen is there and sometimes sean is there and have pizza, so anyway, the topic was in the concerns was the mass shootings and things and think in the meeting jauslen says the south of market clubs we have done pretty strong prevention as much as we can as far as pat downs and wanding and things like that which other

maybe neighborhoods dont do because of whatever. but the topic was interesting that somebody mentioned with all the active shoorter situations if it is thought to have on security at clubs and i'm personally totally don't like that. i don't like armed security and what the captain mentioned was misidentification of a security guard maybe being shot by mistake or [inaudible] it was discussed and think mentioned and asked for by a lot of club owners is some best practices about active shooter scenario. an example if a shooter want said to do something they will do it no matter the security is trained and these

guys are trained but human error will be there and distractions and whatever hap nls. a lot were interested protecting the patrons inside the club. we try to screen outside and once they are inside they are still our responsibility, but how to doyou handle it. there were comments like as you see these are 8 mentioned, but we hope the next meeting that we will have more or some maybe a draft either from this commission or alu or cmac to see where we can come up with best practices and as a example they mentioned like venue sweeps before we open the door. things can get planted ahead of time. some clubs are doing venue sweeps and checking the bathroom before they open the

doors which is interesting idea. obviously searching bags, purses, talking about more use of security wand, checking for metal. i personally like pat downs the best and have to have a female guard to do the pat downs for the women. they are saying call for service if there is any emergency to call 911 and identify or get license plates or descriptions of people and make sure all your security are well marked because it is dark. this is a good number 7 and is assign somebody at the beginning of a shift is to assign somebody who bows where to turn on the lights. in a active shooter situation you want to turn on the lights so you know what is going on so i

think a lot of times and i have seen other clubs is there a one guy that just started and dozen know where to turn on the lights so that is a basic thing. and having evacuation planism unfortunately we have protecting our clubs and protecting the inside and minors and keeping out drugs and what not but we have to worry about terrorist acts and i encourage club owners listening come to this meeting and share their experience or learn from what we talked about at this meeting because it has been-i wish other districts could have meetings like this because we are not competitors with situations like this. we are all in the industry. there is more to come so i pass this to you and

the rest the commission of what was discussed and hopefully more will come out of it. >> thank you. i think the incident at the [inaudible] and the tragedy at orlando has a lot of us thinking of our places of entertainment are safe places so it is hard to think about active shooter situations but glad you and the other club owners are thinking through it and being prepared. >> the main thing is they love their businesses and the people that come to their clubs they lover so when anybody is injure td is heart breaking. even in france when the truck drove through the crowd. clubs are not the only place, it is anything public, but at least at the club level the south of market owners and some in the tl that showed up at the meeting they are very concerned about the actf

shooter situation and want to be trained for it. >> i think this is a topic we are looking at for the summit in october, right? great. thank you commissioner lee. you are overachieving. i appreciate that and think that is helpful information and hopefully someone in public tv land is watching. >> if they want to get on the e-mail for the meetings e-mail me and when we have meetings you are welcome to come. >> any other commissioner comments or questions at this time? any public comment on our comments? final item is new business to request for future agenda items. not seeing anything. >> 23 i can wremind when

posting notice for august 2 for discussion of a change of bylaws, so that notice is 10 days advance and apologize it wasn't on tonights but it will be on for discussion august 2 and we intend to agendize election the meetings following that. >> great. i believe i [inaudible] everyone and at some form of communication. >> whatever works. >> i think you should check your e-mail. with that, i think we'll adjourn this meeting at 811:00 p.m., have a good night. [meeting adjourned]test.

>> good afternoon and welcome to the friday thursday, july 15, 2016, special meeting of the san francisco full board of supervisors i'm the clerk of the board the meeting will come to order. supervisor president breed is not presented therefore pursuant in the absence of wanting the clerk shall call the roll today's agenda a start time of 515 i'll initiate the call to order therefore the powering or presiding officer from among the

superfluous not beyond adjournment of today's meeting supervisor avalos thank you. i would like to we're talking about roll call. >> for attention supervisor avalos presence. >> supervisor president london breed not presents is supervisor campos supervisor cowen not presents supervisor farrell not presents supervisor kim supervisor mar supervisor peskin supervisor tang not present supervisor wiener supervisor wiener not present supervisor yee we have quorum so the first item of business the pro tem from the majority vote are what is required to

appoint and pro tem i'll call the names of the supervisors supervisor avalos. >> thank you, madam clerk i'd like to motion to appoint our member with the most majority is supervisor campos. >> to appoint supervisor campos pro tem and seconded by supervisor peskin on the call of the role. >> supervisor cowen absent supervisor farrell absent supervisor kim supervisor mar supervisor peskin supervisor tang absent supervisor wiener absent supervisor yee supervisor avalos supervisor breed absent supervisor campos there are 6 i's. >> supervisor campos is the

presiding officer for today's meeting. >> good afternoon, everyone and thank you for your patience please join me in the pledge of allegiance. >> america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> colleagues before we go to the business at hand i'd like to if you just bear with me a moment of silence in memory of dozens people murdered in france nic

nice (silence (madam clerk item one. >> at this time the puck may comment up to two minutes within the subject matters on the adoption watt calendar and item two on today's agenda director our remarks to the board and not to the brfdz and tarpgs we'll be allowed twice the amount of time and delay your document on the overhead to when the screen returns to live coverage of meeting. >> we'll open up for public comment is there any public comment on item please come forward and line up to our right and our left per the rules two

minutes. >> it is great to be here on a historic type of meeting i like to be something history the city by the bay she saw about the aide by the bay play to pay they call select and protect additions, deletions, or changes right now, i'm looking for any african-american sisters that belong to district 5 and 10 why are they not here and descension of what this the board of supervisors and with the leadership in san francisco is this the new trend what i see here and i did not bring probation officer my camera this is

horrifying what has been called a historic meeting a special meeting because those people are scared of what oversight they're scared and accountability is the mayor called into his office said you can't do this this will change the surface of the san francisco going on for years i'm all over the progressives they'll show a lessons the balance of san francisco must change because as a african-american black negro the czar the out mitigation mayor ed lee right now is out of compliance and he's also in my opinion neglected an african-americans i'm in support have had historical i support

you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> before i start our time i'll gentle say that signs are not allowed in the chamber sew, sir. >> my name is michael let's go to the overhead from the castro flag pole controversy hits the area following the shooting back to me i've shown the headlined from the castro street currier on the street a story how what used to be public property the flag pole on harvey milk plaza is controlled by the merchant i'll be developing voting on to reclaim public property to lower the flag when there are

tragedies like 49 people killed in orderly we need to have a public advocate to help to achieve that if folks running for sate senate will take up to issue the second thing the corrupt city attorney district attorney george gascon during his tenure that's 20 civilians killed and san francisco police officers yet zero indictments by the da the district attorney created a hand picketed panel that i'm not impressed with their 81 represents the fact they've used dozens of downtown lawyers in 6 or seven years of george gascon being the district attorney and 20 civics killed by the police

there's been zero indictments by george gascon we have to remember that district attorney george gascon is going to replace the lady to the senate. >> next speaker, please. >> i'm peter executive director of liquor users association i want to ask you to put on reverse from the libraries funding pending their taking care of some issues of exclusion of the privacy privileges of library and decision maker the public should have there is at least count based on library users information requests would be hundred and 57 thousand cardholders who have an

inability to use the libraries in the long run loan facilities capacity get the materials from other libraries or a loan because they owe one penny or more in fines and fees this shouldn't be there are also 57 thousand plus cards holders out of 20 thousand some holders not able to borrow physical items like books, voir dire's and dvds and so on they owe $10 and one cent or more both of those groups are children and teens and adults and seniors that shouldn't be the library adjusted a lot of hours for branches watt the slightly input or informing the

permit kraefr to 2007 should is where cabin public input and the library suspending people from coming out the library no independent did you process to adjudicate and bargain we want a non-cash up to that time. >> thank you >> next speaker, please. >> adrian carpenters local 22 we not pilotize the office of labor enforcement i think they're working fine the way it is and don't need another layer of government let's keep it as is thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening donald from

the san francisco renters federations not san francisco values to arrest and throw in jail a housing activists causing for more diversities in the bay area during the housing shortage our community if the homeless to the march kisses i across the city are in pain if keeping on track the new construction of buildings that provides close to one thousand bmr units and housing the poor families in the tenderloin a promise was made to make to a more affordable city and hits on the homeless problem but all we're seeing a status quo politics those action are not progressive we have 11 city council public advocates and time to put voters and listen to

the previous elections and put aside politics and bring solutions to the city's problems thank you. >> thank you very much is there any public comment that you want to speak line up go ahead, sir. >> hello, i'm bradylie will i a member of iuoe and speak on behalf of of that public advocate we need desperate there are departments not doing a job not going into detail i'm not going to and also the question of the need for stronger enforcement of labor law and financing for and the assignment 20 to a stronger spokes organization a stronger entities

in the city to pursue flight ever labor law and shorting workers they're due in the city not working out across the city in restaurants all over the city i urge you to move forward with that also on the transportation question that is before the board i am concerned about piling another layer of aggressive tax an reevergreen tax over the next 25 years an alternative to the taxation for the transportation needs we need to fund our transportation services fully and continue to expand the equity policies of our transportation administration but i think there are other sources we need to tax people

that are profiting and doing well in the economy and tax issues that need to be discouraged like the ride hale and ride sharing circulating on friday and saturday night causing gridlock and no cars distributed and cars blocking. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment seeing none, none public comment is closed. >> madam clerk call without reference to committee. >> item 2 considered for adoption a motion to call if the rules committee pursuant the charter amendment creating the office of advocate and the charter amendments file creating the housing and community

development commission calling from the neighborhood committee the file affirming support for the department of homelessness in support of housing and call speech meeting on jump at 3:00 p.m. and july at 10:00 a.m. switzerland the board of supervisors to sit as a special meeting on july 19th to hold the charter amendment and to modify the amount of time pursuant to the board's rules. >> thank you i will now recognize the maker of this motion the very important supervisor avalos. >> thank you very much acting chair supervisor campos colleagues we have bef us this motion to move from the pending file rules committee and

i believe oversight committee a resolution to the charter of the resolution a series of meetings to the full board of supervisors including on july 19th there are modifications i'd like to make to this motion since the public advocate charter amendment a version or two versions have gone forward to the full board for the next tuesdays meeting i'd like to trike the reference to this in the title and later in the body of this motion so the striking language will be on line 4 striking the file number creating the office of public advocate and that will be stricken also on line 12 the word to and

that title will be stricken only one proposed charter amendment only one in and line 20 it says shall sit as a committee for 3 public hearings it should be changed to two and strike that line the phrase the proposed charter amendment for the office of public advocate shall be stricken we'll move forward to the next page in the body of motion on line 7 page 2, again go taking outlets word two and the plural of the word amendments to take out the s and the striking of the charter amendment for the public advocate and on line 9 we're tang all the language that says all 3 and put in the word to

items those two items returned to the board. consideration that would be my motion in terms of what language to be taken out and again, because the public advocate chapter amendments two versions will be before us already they've gone from the rules committee to the full board of supervisors >> and with that, i'll need a second. >> so colleagues supervisor avalos has made a motion can we have a second public school seconded by mar can we take that without objection? without objection the motion to amend passes any comments on the motion as amended seeing none, >> i did i put my name. >> thank you supervisor avalos i misspoke spoke on the

resolution from the department of homelessness is not gi o by the neighborhood services committee i want to clarify that. >> thank you for the clarification seeing no more madam clerk take a roll call vote. >> we have a deputy. >> oh, yeah john gibner, deputy city attorney. >> john gibner, deputy city attorney. so it i believe the motion deleted on line three to four page 2 deleted the public advocate from that first photograph. >> i'll need to highlight that. >> i thought you proposed that and wanted to make sure that is

leading in sorry. >> you want to propose. >> no. >> okay. great. >> my other questions or comments seeing none, madam clerk call the roll on the amended motion. >> supervisor malia cowen asbestos par supervisor farrell absent supervisor kim supervisor mar supervisor peskin supervisor tang absent ask supervisor wiener absent supervisor yee supervisor avalos supervisor breed absent supervisor campos there are 6 i's. >> thank you the motion is approved as amended the motion is approved and for clarification this approval means the following call resolution number it will call number one 60 from

committee as well as the housing community charter amendment will schedule a special meeting on july 19th and july 29th and schedule the board of supervisors to sit as a committee on july 19th and will move the time between first appearance and other in order submitted for the charter amendments colleagues unless questions madam clerk madam clerk, is there any further business before this commission? >> mr. chair that concluded the business for today. >> colleagues thank you very