expenditure lobbyist is indirectly urging others to contact in the public usually to contact public officials for purpose of influencing legislation. there is no risk of quick pro quo in this situation and corruption in this situation, i feel by having a broad definition of lobbyist for the gift prohibition, you may run some constitutional or legal issues in that respect. i can't see the reason for this legislation and i encourage you to look at that, if a small non-profit spent 125 thousand dollars to say contact your legislator, your sports supervisor about affordable housing, that should not have them have a gift prohibition, the state prohibition that applies to all local and state officials, i don't see much of a difference by limiting a non-profit to 460 versus 0. another kind of just very, very technical cleanup and i believe theses the purpose of law and i wanted to make

sure that it's clear, with regard to the campaign contribution prohibition, this is page 13, subdivision e, line 4, it says no lobbyist shall make any campaign contribution and it says if that lobbyist is register to city elected afflicting or have been [inaudible] in the past 90 day, expenditure lobbyists do not contact officials directly, they will never register to contact an official director, a small technical cleanup that miektd provide more clarity to the law, it's also more noting that there is a corporate ban on contributions in san francisco, so most expenditure lobbies cannot make contributions to begin with as well, thank you very much, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> hello again, michael

petrelis, i would like to see this move forward and i am really concerned that if the matter goes forward before the voters and it's approved, it doesn't make effect until 2018, that's what i'm reading in your documents, okay, and i think that is a reason why you need to move this forward now, you need to get it on the ballot for this november because by the time 2018 rolls around and these changes go into effect, we're going the discover that the lobbyist and some politicians have found new ways to get around whatever it is that's hopefully going to be approved in november, like many of us have been reminded in the past few days thank tos the hillary leaks of all these e-mails from the democratic national committee, the system is

rigged, the system is rigged against the public and when we have that as our philosophy with we're looking at what this commission is doing or wants to do and then the proposals that come from the supervisors, every step of the way and every person who's involver in your process is part of the system that is rigged. these changes that you're going to bring about, they're relatively minor in termser of bundling and funding and things like that and you know what it's also telling me? it's telling me that the supervisors are not doing their jobs, that they are trying to put this matter before the voters and again i hope it passes when the voters get a chance to weigh in on it but if we had the supervisors doing their jobs

and creating the laws that we need, we wouldn't be putting the burden on the voters to weigh in on what is going to be a pretty complicated issue i believe for the average voter, so you guys, i believe here at the ethics commission have to look at radically changing how you do business and that also goes for the supervisors and all their aids. they need to figure out a way to address our problems, modify the laws especially in terms of ethics at the board of sups and i hope we get to see that change happening very soon, thank you. >> thank you. >> hello, i'm alex kaplan, the policy directly with first national, i want to thank you for your time and devotion to this, the open

process of crafting this correctly and to give a big thank tos the staff who have done an enormous amount of work on this, i want also to do a quick cleanup of my own, page 12, line 11 televising assist a doubling up of the word less, it says less $25 or less per occasion and should say worth $25 or less per occasion, very quickly also i want to respond to the last two comments and urge the commission to retain and continue to apply the travel -- the gift pensioner especially travel gifts to expenditure lobbyists as well, the idea that an expenditure lobbyist who is in many ways augmenting their lobbying power to spend money to get other tos do lobbying for them could give a gift or a travel gift, a significant one, ask try to leverage

their influence that way, i think the -- especially from talking to voters in the city and the many represent member that is have shown up today, the idea that one trying to exert specific influence by content or expenditure on a city elected official is -- really blows their mind that that's possible, to the travel gifts as well. i would like you ask you to apply the travel gift prohibition earlier than january, 2018, talking with the director, the january 1, 2018 start date is so the staff and so the computer systems can take enough time to make sure the registration tailoring can apply, because the gift ban is purposely and rightfully not tailored, it applies throughout should apply relatively immediately. thank you. >> thank you.

>> good eve nonlinear, alana smith with friends of ethics, i want to join the core lus for thanking me for what you have done and call out the work staff has done to get this in front of the public enough so they could hear comments, respond to comments and show us revised language. it's made a big difference in terms of your final product and you can tell from the comments tonight that getting that kind of very good public process makes a difference, so i thank you for that and friends of ethics obviously thanks you for putting this forward. >> thank you. >> again, for the record, i'm charles mar ston, i wanted to say there's a caveat to the question of aggregate expenditure limits and i realize that question is a little off topic, but i wanted to explain very quickly to the commission that on july 11, 2011, you

considered the mckuchin decision and vote ted 4-1 to repeal our law, that was blocked at the board by a coalition that was formed called friends of ethics, and that's our origin and that explains why we are still here. i did want to say i left the room, that meeting was taped and i have strong opinion on that matter because i'm aware of other events that occurred with other commissions in the united states working with the bren nan center to develop legislation to be both constitutional and respective of local law dealing with aggregated limits, so it's not as black and white i -- even though

we were in fact sued, that would require a separate issue to be put on the agenda to be discussed so that we could get into the details, but i wanted to tell you at one point, i was planning to raise again the question of aggregate limits because there are constitutional ways for addressing the concerns of mchuchin, so i wanted to give you the heads-up on that. >> thank you. >> good evening, anita mayo, as i've testified before t proposed lobbyist relates changes are not needed. the current gift limit of $25 per lobbyists is so low that it cannot possibly have a corrupting influence on a city officer,

notwithstanding the foregoing, both versions prohibit lobbyists from making i any dift including dift of gravel to any officers, this is a broad prescription, it is not narrowly tailored and apply ifs the lobbyist will ever lobby a city officer . the proposed ban could prohibit the mayor or any city officer from attending city related meetings, if the city and bay area corporations are interested in bringing the olympicess to the san francisco bay area and a for profitbacker profit corporation discussed the olympics, city officers would not be able to eat during the luncheon or dinner meet ifing the for profit contributed as an expenditure lobbyist. with regards to contributions by lobbyists, the proposed revised june initiative would prohibit a lobbyist from

making a contribution to a city canadian kate exceeding $100 in an election cycle since the current $500 limit applies on a per election basis kh*s clear and straight forward, introducing a limit based on an election cycle basis will create unnecessary confusion, both versions of the initiative contemplate imposing limits on contributions to lobbyists to candidate controlled committees including local bat lot measure milt tees, imposing limit on contributions to lobbyist tos a ballot measure committee could be unconstitutional, regarding the ban on bundlings, the proposing ban is not needed since bundled contributions are subject to detail, disclosure requirements on the lobbying reports already. there is federal court precedents that a banning on lobbying and the green party of connecticut, the city

court not only invalidate add ban but prohibited lobbyists from soliciting contributions on behalf of state candidate and is reach thirsting conclusion, the court stated that "a limit on the solicitation of otherwise permissible couldn't bourses prohibits exactly the kind of expressive activity that lies at the first amendment's core". that is because the solicitation of contributions involve speech, to solicit contributions on behalf of a candidate is to make a statement "you should support this candidate not only at the polls but with a financial contribution. ". speech uttered during a political campaign requires the most urgent application set forth in the first amendment for these reasons, i urge you not to impose a ban on bundling of contributions by lobbyists. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much, my

name is joshua strong mansion i'm with artist of alliance with democracy as well as with represent us and i want today thank the commission and thank the staff for taking up this measure, and i really want to say i've heard a lot of comments, i came here in support of represent us and i come here in support of good government and i come here so that -- because we're in a time where our citizens as we said earlier, do not have the fullest confidence in our elected officials and in our city governments or our local governments to give us a government that we voted for and inspires us to believe in, to want to contribute to, making san francisco and making the bay area a place where everyone will want to come and live and raise their families, this is about restoring integrity to this process. now, i've heard many people come up here and talk about the various ban that is are already in place but obviously they're not

working so one of the things i wanted to stress to the commission and stress to the staff is enforcement. now, commissioner [inaudible] brought up a good thing, those are questions that you should know, we should understand how these laws have failed z. you should know why all these people are in this room. you have failed. the ethics law that is are currently on the books have failed. that's why we want this measure, we're not ta*ub asking for it out of the sky, it has failed so we are taking it upon ourselves as citizens would care about san francisco, would care about the bay area, would care about our future to say, look, whatever you had going on first, whatever laws barer policies or protocols that were in place, they have not worked. i am strongly if support of this measure going forward in july, give the voters a xlans to vote on this. it's obvious the folks that have been elected to involve this problem has failed so it's time for the voters to have our say on this. i'm strongly in support of this measure going into the

july ballot and thank you for giving us the time to speak and making our concerns known. thank you. >> thank you. >> hello, my name is greg [inaudible] i'm with represent us and i wanted to say one thing -- add one thing, i think there is a sense of urgency, whatever the language is needs to be worked out tonight so something can get on the ballot, whatever the little nuances with regards to language, at least something can be agreed upon tonight so things don't get pushed out to 2018. thank you, and thank you for all your hard work. >> thank you. >> hi, i know it's against protocol to come up again, i want today directly respond. i can't? okay, at all? alright, sore -- sorry.

>> you're saying he couldn't if he used his three minutes the whole time. >> not to say mr. kaplan didn't have good feedback t commission would be obligated to provide everyone in the room with a second opportunity as well. >> alright, any other public comment? if not, there is a motion presently pending and i take it that that grammatical error on page 12, line 11 where the word less should be deleted, i will call the question which is to approve the option -- the july option as presented by the staff, all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> opposed? alright, the record should reflect that it has been passed unanimously by four commissioners as required.

and that we should now move forward to see that it qualifies to be placed on the ballot in november. [applause]. >> thank you, mr. chair. i would just like to acknowledge that the city of san francisco and all of us owe a great debt to represent us. it's an organization said by you to have been formed about a year ago and the most refreshing thing to me is to see the vibrancy of a bunch of young people coming forward on good government measures. there are other organizations like friends of ethics and the civil grand jury and the rest of us who have been

involved with it over the years ask have been talking about this, but for the most part, most of those folks have hair like mine, so to see all of you is really great and i just want to thank you and encourage you the keep up the good work. i think you're an inspiring group. >> commissioner hayon. >> i would like to second what commissioner keane has said. the atmosphere in this room today is completely 180 degrees from the atmosphere when i first came on this commission, and i don't think this commission or its staff can do the proper work unless there is full involvement on the part of the community.

i am an average voter and oncern is that my concern is that we passed this and it will go ton ballot but i hope you will do the same kind of work to inform and educate the a*frmg voter. from my understand, it's going to be at least 30 ballot measures, in situations like that, the average voter just says, i'm voting no on everything, so unless there's a real major concerted effort to educate vote and he iser to get them to vote particularly on this ballot which is of concern to you, then i'm concerned we may not succeed. and also a lot of this is quite arcane, so you need to find a way to get the

message out in a way that's really comprehensible to the average person out there because otherwise they throw their hands up and say, okay, i don't understand what this is about so i'm not going to vote for it, so that is your challenge now and i think that's a much, much greater challenge than getting it on the ballot, but i wish you luck. i'm sure you can do it and it's great that it's young people who are engaged and we need that because otherwise we're in deep trouble which i think we are anyway, but -- so, that's another story, we don't need to address that, but thank you so much and it's a huge difference having so many really well informed and expert members of the public participating in the process, so thank you. >> and i on behalf of the commission also join in thanking all of you for working with the staff and i want to thank the staff who

spent hours getting this into the form, but for those of you who may be new to the pr kress, once this goes on the ballot, the first thing is there's a ballot simplification committee that meets to word the way in which the description of this is put in the voter's handbook and that's very important because that's really what people look at in the voter's handbook, so that when that meeting takes place, i urge you to be in attendance to help draft the language, there are five members and believe me, they are very dedicated but they're like your high school english teacher and they parse every word and they will spend a long time

whether or not they can use this word or that word, and either vice chairman keane or i and ms. pelum will be there, but to have some support behind making sure that we get that, but even more importantly, san francisco has hundreds of political clubs and the months of august, the last part of august and the month of september and october are when those clubs meet to either endorse or take a position against or for ballot measures, and they -- it's very important that proponents and supporters of this ballot measure turn out at those meetings to show the community the support

because under the laws of san francisco, if i go to those meetings or commissioner keane goes to the meetings, we can't urge the voters to vote for it. we are constrained from taking a position. all we can do is tell them information, what it's about, but we can't at the end of it say -- and we want you to vote for it. i know that may be ridiculous, but that is the rule, so that what's needed are people -- voters, people who can say after we may make a presentation at one of these community meetings and we advise them of the restrictions that we're under, but i mean, it should be obvious that we put it on the ballot and we can point that out but we can't urge them to vote one way or another, but you can, and the

more people who show up at these community meetings in support, the more likely it is that these organizations will support it, and when the ballot -- when the handbook comes out, it will show what organizations support it and it's very important, the more organizations we can have behind it and the less opposition and i think in this case where we ao*f had as much public input, the kind of opposition that there was to proposition c, even that, it passed by 75 or 78 percent, i would like to see this pass by 90% and show that truly the public is behind this initiative, so with that, i will -- >> before we move on from

this item, as you may recall, the last time when we did proposition c last year, the commission had a formal vote on who would be the spokesperson representative for the various political club meetings you mentioned as well as media inquiries and such about the proposed measure. i don't know if the commission want tos do it now since as you mentioned, a lot of the endorsement meetings are coming up fast and furious and the ballots committee meeting you mentioned is schedule today discuss this measure this friday, so a lot of naoez public arenas in which the commission or whoever the commission decides to choose as a representative will be asked to speak are coming up quickly, so i don't know if the commission want tos designate that spoe, person tonight. >> any commissioners, any comments? >> i think remembering back on c, the reality of what happened was that commissioner renne wound up taking on an enormous amount of effort in regard to going to all of o those meetings, you went to so many of them,

and because what we did is we formally authorized commissioner renne to be our spokesperson for these presentations, vice chair andrews also went to a few and there were two i think that neither chair renne or vice chair andrews could go to so i went to. my suggestion would be that at the direction of the chair, we all be empowered to go and explain this to any group that the chair might want it to be explained to, either for the chair to go or if he can't make it, for one of us to go, whoever he designates, mainly because he wound up just breaking his

back last time going to all of them and taking the pressure off of him so i would be glad to go to as many -- >> i appreciate that suggestion and i have a call for a vote on it, but i would add the executive director as also being authorized to -- >> i don't want to add to her burden, but i think it is important. >> yes, e *f i agree. >> and certainly i want to remind the commission that we can have those kinds of scheduling discussions following the brown act, xhaoun sauteing amongst yourselves about the substance of any presentations, obviously we want to remain very -- strictly observe the brown act and all its public meeting restrictions. >> right. >> do i hear a motion that -- along the line of what commissioner keane said?

>> moved. >> i think under the bylaws, i'm authorized as a spokesman and the sense of the commission is if i can't go or if i want to assign it to somebody else, i can assign it to any of the other three commissioners. okay. and i appreciate that because i will tell you, there are times when there are three or four meetings a day or at night, they're usually at night, but they're interesting and you see local politics at its best. alright. let's turn to discussion -- >> we need a vote on that. >> alright. >> so moved. >> second. >> alright. public comment? hopefully none. alright, hearing none, i'll call the question, all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> opposed?

it's carried unanimously. turning to item 5, discussion and possible action on ordinance introduced by supervisor peskin to amend the campaign and governmental conduct code to require members of city boards and commissions to file behest payment reports, and i think mr. hepner is here from supervisor peskin's office and bring us up to date and tell us what you are looking for from us. >> absolutely, thank you very much, thank you, commissioners, chair renne, director pelum, i do have copies of some amended pieces of legislation that i'm happy to distribute to you, i left 10 or so copies on the table for the public, but i'm hoping that somebody can distribute those and could i grab just one of those?

we can walk through some of the changes we made, some of which were discussed expressly in the department staff report. but jumping in, i mean, i do want to thank you for taking this matter up again and for staff's report and from soliciting comment from the fppc all of which is going to be invaluable as we move forward with this. there are a lot of stakeholders with this legislation and it's become very evident we need to strike exactly the right balance to make sure this is furthering the aim of transparency and openness while not imposing a burden from commissioners or ethics department staff, so i do want to walk through a couple of the change that is we have made, just in the past week, i'm sorry, this did not make it into your packets. we set forth on the first page a definition for

auction nao*er and explicitly exempted auction nao*ering later a little further down as an activity that does not count as a solicitation, just because there was some concerns about that. on the second page beginning at line 8, we defined interested party as any person who is the subject of any administrative action taken by a board of commission, we defined non-profit organization as 501c organizations. under section 3.610 subsection a, we did as we indicated last month, we expanded the filing time from 30 days to quarterly or 90 days, 90 days from the date at which the 5 thousand dollar contribution was made or a series of -- and then in

the next subsection 2, we left it at 30 days for those solicitation that is are made to solicited -- to interested parties. on the third page, we have that exception under subsection d for auction noes, we also undertook a definition and tried to carve out full time employees of non-profit organizations who have fundraising responsibilities and are soliciting charitable contributions on behalf of their non-profit employer, if you're working for a fundraiser as a none profiteer, that will be your job and you will be exempt from reporting every solicitation that you make with the exception that we do want you to disclose any solicitations made to

interested parties. and lastly, ethics department staff request, we allowed for this not to be just reported other electronic forms as staff sees fit, there's a reporting mechanism and per staff's report which i'm happy to get into a little bit, i understand that might take some resources ask some time and we're more than willing to take that into consideration. with respect to the staff report, just a couple of comments. i thought the reference to the fppc's report i thought was particularly instructive on one point and this is a point that has raised concerns from several of our board members and commissioners and that is well what if my name is on a -- that goes out in a mass mailer, i raise money for the

san francisco ballet or some other organization and i'm selling 10 thousand dollar ticket tos a charity night and my name is on the mailer that goes out, is that a solicitation, and the instruction from the fppc is in fact, if you're a board member of the ballet for instance and every board member's name is included, there's no particular distinction to your name from the other board members and that does not -- that would not count as a solicitation. on the other hand, if there is some distinction made whether your name is highlight separate from other board members or looks like there's a fact specific determination that is made i suppose if the board member or commissioner personally signed it or crossed off the mr. so and so, maybe details like that may make it look like a direct solicit tai, more like something that should be reported and those are the circumstances that

would give rise to this reporting obligation. anyway, i thought that was very interesting advice from the fppc and kind of confirmed what was both xho*en common sense and what we had talked about and now there was another concern about twitter solicitations, just briefly i thought i would throw that out there, what if somebody saying donate to green peace on twitter, i think there are certain aspects of this where there is going to be in effect on a board commissioner orbacker or supervisor's behavior are going the have to change nair behavior in some ways and maybe hey don't tweet out donate to green peace, might be that's something that person should not be doing in our public facing role, whether or not green peace has an item before the board or commission, it starts to be a little bit sticky, i don't want to say suspect

but at least maybe behavior that a commissioner or board member should not be engaging in. there was a mention -- >> could i ask a question about that. >> yes. >> engaging out about that behavior about twiting out between graen peace, what is that with the commissioner's role with deciding matters against it, what's the conflict or matter? >> i suppose the nexus would have to be there would have to be a secondary sexbacker nexus in that circumstance, maybe graen peace is supporting the caoe byways of a new park downtown or there would probably have to be some secondary nexus to make clear sense, but -- >> currently drafted -- if the commissioner were to tweet and were to generate contributions of 5 thousand dollars, they would have to file a report, is that right? >> that's correct.

that's correct. >> even though the green peace activity may or may not have anything to do with the work of the commission on which that commissioner serves? >> yes, that's right, and the portion of the staff report which i thought was well written talking about how narrowly to craft this reporting requirement and we could craft it even wider was one option that ethics staff set forth, and any political donating active or any solicitation for candidate to elected office, that could be included theoretically. >> wouldn't you want to narrow it down that the commissioner would be deciding upon, if it's an out of state alma mater and alma mater has no business in front of the commission, why would we need to know about that? >> right, and i think that

more often than not, this reporting requirement may capture behavior that is entirely innocuous, there's no suspect -- >> why do we need to capture it then? >> by limiting the scope of the reporting requirement, what we're doing is essentially putting the onus on the commissioner or board member themselves to be the judge of whether this is something that should or should not be reported and from a policy angle and i think there are fair room for disagreement here, i don't think that putting the onus on the commissioner or the board member in a self-reporting context to make that tough determination is where we want to put that balance, so yes, a lot of this behavior may be innocuous, but furthering the aims of transparency and openness, i think it's probably the public's obligation to make that determination of whether that solicitation is suspect in any way. so, i think that that's kind

of where that ideological or principled view comes from is i don't think it should be the commissioner or board members' role to make that judgment. and i'm more than willing to hear push-back on that of course but that's where our office was coming from. >> i would hope we would have more trust in some of our commission members to be able to make that determination and i have a follow-up question with regard to the privacy of those donors, particularly out of state donors or the example i gave last month of parents at a school for example, when they make the contribution to the charitable organization, i think they have a reasonable expectation that their name won't show up in a public database. >> so, this requirement does exist for elected officials in various contextess. i don't think it's that rare or unique to require the reporting of people who make

contributions over 5 thousand dollars, i think that that threshold is set relatively high, so that you're really capturing -- >> but are those examples, do they require all donations or only those for contributions made with some sort of connection, a nexus back to the government organizations? >> correct, and maybe staff or city attorney shen can correct me if i'm wrong. >> yes, to respond to that, currently elected officials are required to file behest reports, 5 thousand dollars or more, it doesn't really matter what the source of that contribution whether that source of the contribution has any business before the elected, it's a pretty wide net. >> and i think we're get hinting the territory where strike thing balance is

important, we don't have the desire of [inaudible] if you're a board or a commissioner in a public facing role and this is not about trust than it is about trust in our political system, but if you are in that public facing role you are in a unique position to leverage your public facing role and the decisions you make at public hearings to raise substantial amounts of money, we don't know the extent to which this is going on anecdotally, i know it's out there, our office knows this is something that does occur and in the interest of public disclosure which the ethics department staff also recognizes the high demand for more publicly accessible information, electronically or otherwise, i think that's where this legislation is coming from. i can wrap up my comments fairly soon, i did have a

comment, there was a note in the staff report noting that this is going to be -- this requires filing these reports with the ethics department as opposed to with the individual commissions, the only reason why we put that in there is because i think it's -- it would be pretty difficult to ask our boards and commissions to develop their own mechanisms for receiving and processing this and i think having it centralized is probably best for the sake of uniformity, to that end and along with the recommendation of ethics department staff, we are happy to support additional funding for the ethics department, we are always happy to do so in order to further the aims of this and certainly are amenable to a start date or an effective date of january 1, 2018 to allow the ethics department staff some time to get these mechanisms up and running, we're more than amenable to

that. just one additional point, there was mention made in the discussion on the ballot measure item number 4 with respect to whether we were considering prohibitions in this. we weren't really until a couple of days ago or rather until we read the letter from friends of ethics. i think that our office would be amenable to a prohibition, a flat-out prohibition on solicitations to -- solicitations of interested parties or solicitations to maybe specific types of 501c4's i think is one that came up in particular, that said, it's not in the legislation right now and i'll leave it at that and take the recommendation. the question that i had is how does that -- does that obviate a disclosure requirement f you're prohibiting activity out right, does it obviate the need to disclose your other

behavior and my thought process ended up with, probably not, when you're committing something to paper and you're required to do so in the form of a filed statement with a government entity, that is kind of causing -- it's creating another honesty mechanism, another little self-check, this is all self-reporting again and i think that a lot of this, while we trust our board member and is commissioners, we want to make sure that we create the most fluid mechanism for that reporting. >> let me ask you a question, and that is if there's say an invitation to the opera gala and it goes out and it lists names of the gala committee

and it asks for 10 thousand, 5 thousand, 1 thousand, whatever the table is, and my name is on it as one of the committee, is that a solicitation? >> no, and i think the fppc letter addresses that point directly and at risk of misquoting it, my understanding is no, that if there's no distinction between your name and the other names, if you're just part of a list of the committee members, then it would not be a solicitation requiring reporting. >> and particularly if it doesn't identify any city office, it doesn't identify me as a commissioner. >> i think that's -- yeah, that would be another distinction. >> okay. >> procedurally, i'm happy to hear the discussion tonight, if you have any questions, i'll hang around. i don't think it's necessary for you to take action, but

while it is before us, i would be grateful for any oak -- recommendations this body has. thank you. >> commissioners, i just had a quick couple of comments. the -- one of the questions that the memo tried to outline for discussion tonight is the question for breadth and nexus, and mr. hepner talked about the distinguish of commissioners that might have [inaudible] with the nexus, one of the things i wanted to subjecting, there's form 700, the statement of economic interest, commissioners are routinely require today consider what the reach of their work might be because their conflict of interest code disclosure categories identifies the kinds of interest or should identify the kinds of interests that they could potentially

influence and it doesn't include the breadth that an elected official would have typically because commission and board roles are triply more prescribe today certain functions, so i think it's maybe not as difficult as on first blush it might seem for commissioners to consider the ways their particular mandbacker mandate could translate to the kinds of solicitations they would be disclosing, that's what i wanted to throw out there, whether that burden is too great or whether it might be something that commissioners are familiar with already. >> thank you. >> do any commissioners have any comments or questions, if noted, i'll call for public comment. >> good evening, commissioners, back again,

[inaudible] it's fascinating how this issue is growing, and i think our elected officials have been really put in a difficult position because they're out fundraising in some cases for private sector activity which is perhaps in their districts that would support their local home based home grown grass roots organizations which is a very good thing, on the other hand, the first people they were going to think of to call would be the lobbyists or the people that are making comments to them that are trying to get them to influence administrative and legislative action. that said, i have always been won to personally and i think many people in foe have felt that disclosure is where we start, so building a basis or

a database of disclosure to see and track this type of activity, much of which now is reported anecdotally or in the press is probably a good start so we can start building our database and following this activity which is very robust. in our communications to you, we have given you a list of contributions that have come in or have been issued by the behest say for google in the millions of dollars, like 6.8 million dollars, and i believe that was for one item. so, this is not small bucks. routinely, some supervisors are going out and going through a list of organizations or rather lobbyists or people looking

to influence legislative action because they are in fact registered lobbyists to make donations so they're bringing in the bacon where there's five or ten contributions that have been made in 5 thousand dollar increments that goes to the 501 c-3 or the philanthropic institution in their district, so my point is that clearly this is maybe not the way they want to go when they see it in print and when they have to disclose it to the ethics commission, and then we have a much better sense of what's going on, so i would urge you to support this and i would also ask whether or not it would not be a good idea for you to seek an amendment to the current law to prohibit such activity from lobbyists. >> thank you.

>> i'm bob plant hold. i wanted to echo what mr. hepner said that you don't necessarily need to take a position, ubd just offer comments or raise question, you like this, you don't like that, you wonder why, so you need to make a decision, no, should you? a lot of us would you like to make some sort of supportive decision separate from in addition to comments. i want to call attention to the supplemental memo from item 5 that came from larry bush and friends of ethics questioning part of the staff analysis and recommendation, so in looking at the revised text that mr. hepner has brought forward, maybe it's being addressed even if he hasn't linked to our comments or to the staff, i want to note on page 3 with d exceptions, the number one

issue, i think it's helpful that there's that second part that says commissioners -- provided commissioners will have an obligation to provide behest payment reports, so on and so on, so i'll give you archival history n the past sfrj ri, i was an officer on the board of a non-profit, the executor was on a major commission, there's several commission that is have perks, that can give away or provide services or things of value, of significant value to people, and so that person would solicit contributions to a major fundraising event which is handled by somebody else, then that money was brought into the non-profit. at the same time, that commission like i said did have different business that people could benefit from when they went for a decision before it, so the idea of requiring a filing of behest payments reports even if the donation is not specific to

the commission and the duties of commission but is part of the fundraising activities of that staffer, i think it's helpful to keep in mind and i think this is an acceptable start towards addressing that option. i'm trying to be vague because i don't want the name name, this is like i said in the past century, so everything is just dusty records, but as a person who was an officer on the board of directors, i was on ec sh uneasy on how some of this was happening, but at least there's a klans to bring light to it. thank you. >> good evening again, my name is jonathan mince s*er and i'm a political attorney here in the city, i didn't plan on speak on this issue until i heard something that concerned me from the presentation, the phrase that we don't know the extent to

which commissioners are soliciting donations to non-profit organizations and the degree to which that interested parties may be appearing before them. that's particularly, particularly concerning. i truly believe that this is a solution in the search of a problem. i also am scared that this is really just going to be a trap for the unweary, it's worth noting that elected officials are already suj to this requirement, most major contracts or most things where there's a concern of this goes before those elected officials. i'm afraid this is a trap for the unweary, i'm afraid this can be used as a tool to levy fines, administrative action against small commissioners who don't know this law exist, who don't know that the -- by raising money for their pta, they're implicated in any way. there's enough disincentives

not to go into public service, why add another layer when we don't know there is another problem, is there such an evil of somebody soliciting millions of dollars contributions to donations of an art commissioner to a non-profit support to an art commission or some other small commission, is this something we really need, and again, i don't want to start to brainstorm -- try to understand the legal issues that may come by a prohibition on behest payments, i encourage you not look that, for every evil scenario that i con ko*kt kokt in your head, think about quha's happening, we're talking about donations to non-profit organization, to 501 c-3 organizations that do great work in the community community, to the extent we know funding is limited, non-profits step in at a time

of need, i don't think we should take as to limit contributions to non-profits nor do i believe there's really a purpose for this, nor do i believe we need another disincentive to public service. thank you so much and i appreciate your time as always. >> thank you. >> commissioners, debbie lur man from the human services network. i did speak to this somewhat in july about the need to encourage non-profits to serve on commissions and share their expertise for the good of the community and to balance that with the ability to raise funds for their organizations. we do not wanted to hamstring the ability of non-profits to raise money and the city is on our case all the time to raise money and to enhance whatever funding we receive from the city, so that leaves us with this need for a

balanced approach. i do praoeshtd the staff memo suggesting that the legislation apply only where there's a nexus but we have worked with supervisor possess -- peskin's office and we appreciate the exemption of this for non-profit staff who are fund raisers and who are simply doing their jobs and the reason to balance that for donors to want non-confidential, we would have preferred that applies to board of directors as i suspect some of you do serve on boards, some of the most civically engaged people in this city both serve on commissions and serve on boards, and we need our ports of directors to be leading our way in our fundraising campaigns. it is a relief you can still be listed on an invitation but it would be nice if you could scribble a note to your buddy saying hey, tom, how about coming to this event,

so i think we would like to see that be a little broader but we are appreciative of this exception and we'll work with supervisor peskin for whatever final measure goes to the board of supervisors. and we do agree with the interested party exception, that was the compromise that made a lot of sense as the way to resolve any potential, again, undue influence. and the other thing i want to say, there were some comments here about a ban, whether it's a lobbyist or anybody else, i think we would have a problem if there was any kind of propose salt to ban contributions by anybody to 501 c-3 organizations, and so i hope that that does not gain traction as a serious discussion. thank you. >> i don't think you have to worry about that. i think it would be constitutional. >> thank you.

>> good eve anyones i'm bob docent door f, former friends of *it ix commissioner, i'm here to talk about 501c4's and 501 c-3's, 501c4's are the issue that we're looking at with beh*is payments that are in the tens of millions of dollars in some cases. when you have a 501c4 that requests a contribution from an elected official or a commissioner for a pet project, that needs to be recognized and needs to be brought to the public, you can't hide these kind of things from the public. i think we need legislation that brings us out into the open. thank you. >> thank you.

does any commissioner have any comments or want us to take any action this evening? >> well, i don't think we've been asked to take action by supervisor peskin's office. we've been asked by his staff member and also by several of the people who are in favor of the measure to indicate by comments and other things as to whether or not we believe that the measure is on the right track, whether we would endorse it. it's not something that's going to be part of the ethics commission's bylaws or any part of us doing anything. so, i can say that just personally as one commissioner, i think supervisor peskin's on the right track in regard to where he's heading.

there are some concerns that are pointed out both by our staff and other people by the interesting parties, that compromise could be reached out in order to reach the transparency so that someone doesn't lefrj their position as commissioner or as a san francisco official in any kind of improper way. there's a necessity for that and in my opinion, supervisor peskin is on the right track and is going in the right direction. >> i would only add to that, that i agree this is on the right track. i would like to see it a little more narrowly tailored so we can get at those -- the nexus of the behest payments and the conflict that arises when the matter is coming before the commission.

i think that to cast such a broad net is almost like trying to boil the ocean and you will spend a lot of time sorting the weed from the chaff, if you can be more targeted, i think you can be more effective. >> yes? >> with regards to the last person who commented, why not limit this legislation to 501c4's? >> as opposed to including 501 c-3's? >> i'm happy to venture a guess at an answer there. i think that that would be narrowing it too far and in fact we're not only interested in the entity to which money is being solicit tainted for but also the individuals or entities for

which charitable contributions are solicited of, so it could be a 501 c-3, 9, 12, 400, i don't care if you're soliciting it from somebody who has a matter coming before your board or commission, so that's the other element of this that i think is at play here. >> the staff in your memo made a list of recommendations, i think it's on page 7, and i would make a motion that we adopt those recommendations and have them transmitted on behalf of the commission. >> i second that. >> any discussion? any public comment? i'll call the question.

all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> the record should reflect that it was passed unanimously and that the staff recommendations will be transmitted to supervisor peskin with i think a clear indication that we support the intention of the legislation but those concerns that the staff has identified should be understood. >> thank you very much, commissioners, i appreciate it. >> alright, item number 6 is continued to our next meeting . item number 7 is a discussion of the executive director's report. >> excuse me, chair renne, even though we're continuing item 6, we need to take public comment on it. >> pardon me? >> even though we are continuing item 6 to the next meet, we do need to take

public comment on that item. >> i thought the item was moved but i'll call for public comment on item number 6. hearing none, we'll move to item number 7. >> thank you. and i just would say for the record, our apology sos the commission and the public to item number 6, we thought it would be prudent to make sure the public had full opportunity to be here, so we posted the notice and we will continue to do that as necessary, so again, our apologies. in terms of our agenda item 7 and the executive director's report, i think the most important thing i would like to share with you, i'm please today announce the hiring of our new deputy direct torx jessica bloom who is here with us this evening.

>> welcome. >> she's going to be jounbacker joining our office on august 15th, she's assuming day-to-day management of our investigative and enforcement program and will head our enforcement and legal affairs function. i'm very delighted she's going to be joining us with her legal skill, her enforcement experience and her insights and her mentoring talents as well to our growing staff over the coming year. as you will recall from my update last month t commission received over 120 applications for this position, so it was a competitive process, she comes highly regarded as a keen legal mind, a fresh thinker and a collaborative problem solver, quick experience approaching complex issues from different angles, the work will unfold in all that we have to do. she spent six years as an assistant attorney general working for the missouri

general attorney's office where she enforced state, environmental and animal welfare laws include thing cleanup of the state's water, landfills and hazardous e waste and through the creation of a new unit that dealt with animal cruelty preveption where she mansion and responded to complaint, invest gated violations and successfully prosecute add number of cases to uphold state law, she received recognition as an outstanding achievement award in 2010 and 2012. most recently for the past three years, she has been serving as the senior staff attorney for the non-profit animal legal defense fund in the bay area region but works across the country, she's applied her legal skill to win major cases, worked with conservation groups protecting wild and endangered an maol malls. her law degree is from the

university of iowa college of law, and she holds a ba from the university of iowa where she majored in organizational ethics and [inaudible], so i will look forward to providing more information for you in the coming months about the structure of the office and how we're going to align ourselves to get all of our work done but i was delighted that she's here tonight and i hope you join me in giving her a warm welcome. >> well, welcome. would you like to say a word or two? we'd be happy to hear from you. >> thank you, commissioner, i'm -- thank you for that wonderful introduction, leeann, i'm pleased to be here, i'm very excited about the work, *ib it's a little bit outside of my wheel house if yu heard from my background, i've already started diving in and found

this riveting, this debaitd that's been going on and learning all the key players and i also wanted to mention that i brought my husband and my daughter earlier, so if you heard a crying child as she was etc. courted from the room, that was may, she's two years old and we just rent add house in berkeley so we're excited to be part of the community and to be part of the commission -- or staff for the commission, thank you very much. >> welcome, and we look forward working with you and you have a big job because i think we have what, two openings for enforcement? >> three. >> three, with one enforcement officer left and we moved to two, so hopefully we'll give you the resources so you can really turn two and some of the criticism that if you attend our meetings, you will hear from time to time is that we have

been a sleeping tiger or something that they call us, that we didn't do enough enforcement but a lot of that had had to do with personnel, so -- >> well, i'm your gal. >> okay, great. you have a delightful two year-old also, she seemed to be commenting justifiable on the merits at the time when she was here, but bring her whenever you would like. >> thank you. >> alright, thank you. >> and i guess i would make since it's an evening for correction, one other note on the memo on item attachment 2, i provided the charts showing the number of open formam complaints on our caseload as of july 20th as well as the matters under preliminary review. those numbers are accurate, we have 22 formal complaints

still pending, 56 matters under preliminary review, the memo however says 55, so my apoll jis for that, i diced the data after the memo and i did not correct the memo, so -- but we want to keep providing this information for you so we can keep track of where we are and with the additional staff resources coming on board, more hands to help get those members moving along. i'm happen my to answer any questions but i wanted to make sure to introduce our newest staff member to you. >> any questions or comments? other than to compliment ms. palum and the staff for continuing to provide us with great support. any public comment on the executive director's report? hearing none, item 8, discussion and possible

action on items for future meetings. it has been the practice in the past for the commission to skip one meeting during the summer because of the vacation schedules and it would be my recommendation subject to comment that we cancel the august meeting. i know one of the commissioners is going to be unavailable in any case and that we defer all matters that i think there are only one or two matters that we were contemplate ining the august meeting, that they be continued to the september meeting. any comments or concerns? any public comment? >> just a reminder, you're not off the hook because of

course you have 30 club meetings or whatever to go to, so you'll be very busy with that. it's just as well you're not worrying yourselves with the agenda. >> thank you. and i do feel that considering the amount of work that the staff -- we put on the staff over the last few months, hopefully some of them can take vacation. alright, so that will be -- the notice will go out that the meeting for august has been cancelled and we will -- our next meeting will be the fourth monday in september. any other comment or public comment? then item 9, additional opportunity for public comment on matters appearing or not appearing on the

agenda. hearing none, i will entertain a motion to adjourn. >> so moved. >> second. >> alright. public comment? hearing none, all in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> the record should reflect that unanimously we adjourned at 7:45 which is pretty early. thank you very much. ( meeting is adjourned ). wel cutting and community preview for there bayview opera house,

ruth williams memorial theater. [applause] everybody wants to go ahead and grab a seat or find a place to stand. we are so thrilled that the sun is shining on the bayview today. i'm tom ducaney and director of public affairs for city and county of san francisco, director of san francisco parks commission. on belandfall of my colleagues and commissioners it is a honor to welcome you all for the ribbon cutty for newly renovated bayview opera house and ruth williams memorial theater. [applause] the city of owns and operates 4 brick and mortar culturalsenter buildings, all of which provide affordable access to high quality arts and culture in communities across the city. built in 1888, the bayview

opera house played an incredible role in the ist history of the bayview and beloved by all of us. i want to acknowledge members who are here today who are champions of the building over the e years and arts in the bayview neighborhood. in the front row we have family members of [inaudible] ruth williams [inaudible] children and grandkids and joined by marry booker. [applause and cheers] and mrs. doris [inaudible] and her family. [inaudible] welcome. on behalf of [inaudible] you are such incredible parts of making this a great space and arts qu culture hub and place for

advancing racial justice in san francisco for years. [applause] we are thrilled to have mayor ed lee with us along with house democratic, nancy pelosi. assembly member david chui a great campion for the arts in sacramento. we have supervisor malia cohen. and i believe do we have supervisor scott wiener here today? no. president breed was going to try to join us as well. we also have [inaudible] george gas gone. i'm also joined on the stage by reverend calvin [inaudible]

[applause] director of san francisco public works, mohammed nuru. bayview opera house vise president theo [inaudible] [applause]. and also our brilliant landscape architects walter hood. [applause [. i want to ocknowledge the san francisco arts commissioner is. we have jd veltram in the audience . i believe commissioner greg chui is with us. commissioner chuck collins. kimberley striker, thank you for all your work on behalf of the san francisco arts commission. i also see fellow colleagues here including [inaudible] department of environment.

director elaine forbs joins by port commission vice president kimberley brandon and deputy director of [inaudible] civic engagement and immigrant affairs. police chief tony [inaudible] policy and government affairs for rec and parks department, alex randolph. board member and neighbor, hydra mendoza and parks commissioner eric mcdonald is here. thank you for coming and being supporters of this project. there are so many people to thank and so bear with me. we have [inaudible] to realize the transformation of the beautiful plaza and osaddress the less visible but improvement tooz the building itself. the project architects walter hood

and paul cooper, amy elliott [inaudible] give them a round of applause. [applause] i also want to thank project consultant deborah [inaudible] other members of the project team is [inaudible] elliott who i believe is here with us today. i also want to acknowledge john updike from department of real estate. he is a incredible partner. [inaudible] vision of access to quality, words spoken by late colleagues carla johnson for mayors office of disability. [inaudible] the mayors office of disability was a champion of

the project from the beginning and carla was here every day by our side make tg happen so today we remember her. [applause] i want to thank [inaudible] colleagues also from mayors office of disability [inaudible] john paul scott. [applause] next i like to thank colleagues at the capical planning committee for all your support for all cultural centers [inaudible] brian strom and staff from john updikes team [inaudible] i want to thank the city partner recollect public works and san francisco municipal transportation authority, mayors office of housing [inaudible] economic and

workforce development. clearly the project was a city wide family effort and could want couldn't have done it with all you. there is generous support from kaiser permanente and [inaudible] here to celebrate. next and bear with me, this afs very big team work ong this project and can pass it [inaudible] executive director of bayview opera house, barbara [inaudible] [applause and cheers]. thank you barbara for everything you do every dayism we look forward handing the keys to you next month and you can come and open the doors every day [inaudible] lastly i want to thank colleagues at the arts commission who couldn't be

here today because he is celebrating her daughters wedding back east, judy [inaudible] does a incredible job. [inaudible] which wh i came on board 4 years ago and it was [inaudible] judy has been the greatest champion and all the arts commission staff that are such a honor work wg every day and [inaudible] of the arts in san francisco. thank you arts commission staff, can you please raise your hand? i know many are here today. thank you. we made it through the thank you's and i assure i won't be [inaudible] it is my great pleasure and [inaudible] reverend calvin jones junior from [inaudible] thank you again. [applause]

>> [inaudible] let's hold hands. thank you god. god we thank you for the time together and ask you to bless this occasion and lord, work and people that have put time in down through the years, we just thank you god for your grace and mercy. let this be a time where we can come together during the god times in our liferbs and even during difficult times in the city we can come together and see what god you have in mine for each one of us. continue to bless those in leadership and god, ask that you touch those that are being locked up, too many young people going away. help us and let us use our creative energy [inaudible]

>> amen. >> god bless you. >> and now it is my great honor to introduce a true champion of the cultural center, somebody who made a great investment in the city over a life time, mayor ed lee. [applause] >> welcome to the bayview! well, i am so glad to join all you on this moment. i know today is a soft opening, but walter and mr. cooper gave a walk through of this restored gem-you have done a magnificent job. the whole entire team-i know tom went through all that, let me say thank you to everybody but most especially.

-you know how much we spent on this center? it is serious money! serious money! like $5 million. that is serious money. why? because this is a serious center. it is a bit of historicsenter. more than community history, it has been family history. i can just imagine a few decades ago [inaudible] running around listening to the [inaudible] get sent out here and say, one of these days i will work at hrc and be a part of the city. i know tim said that because he was singing those songs when we were working at hrc 25 years ago telling me about the history of the community and how much his mother and family

were contributors to this. it is family history along with community history. that's why it is serious investment. we are also making serious investments in the entire bayview along [inaudible] thanks to the leadership of malia cohen and others who led the way to inform us about the linkage that we have. this is a center of seriousness because i have been here when it was locked up. when it was-you have to go through locked doors to get from one place to the other. now we have a floating canvas where the kids go from the theater, from the historic flooring that have above it some really nice historic play house theater type of lights. you can say i can sing here, even though i

can't sing. you want to be here to perform because this is where the youth will be really inspired with what the board is doing, what the directors are doing with the programming that is about to come forth hopefully in september when we officially open this up. you wim be proud of this investments. we are making investments not just in buildings but the people of the neighborhood. as i often said, we are not making new promises, we are all together carrying out promises of investing in the neighborhood. this is the bayview and promised when we built [inaudible] we will invest in more. this is another part. you have a new branch library and have more to come because the commitment we made investing in people at a important time because we can afford the investments and need to make it now and build more

affordable housing and prevent evictions and help the homess and make sure the police department is working for the community to do all the right things in public safety and da included. all this works together so this investment means something for people. that is why i'm here today to show my gratitude for the entire team from the board to the director to all the groups working together and to officially declare on this day july 20 to be bayview opera house, ruth williams memorial theater day in san francisco! [applause and cheers] ruth williams [inaudible] with this i take incredible honor and pleasure to introduce the next speaker. you all know her. she is a champion for our city,

a champion for bayview, someone i know that if we got a chance in this country to bring her back she will be our dem ocratic leader, nancy pelosi. [applause]. >> thank you very much thank you for your time and for your great leadership of our city and focus on the bayview. i am very honored to be with all you. i was really looking forward to being here but didn't realize it would be on the very day. i always say, why don't you tell us earlier in the day so we can park around here without getting a ticket. [laughter]. anyway, it is really wonderful to be with all of you and to pay tribute to ruth williams. [inaudible] official family of

san francisco. [inaudible] ruth williams family thank you for sharing this enthuse amp asm. carla johnson [inaudible] judge people not-[inaudible] what they can do not judge for what they cannot do. the physical accessibility is something very very important and it really is a example to the world when you see the accessibility here. that accessibility is one part of the accessibility. the accessibility to the yung people of this area to demonstrate what is inside of them in terms of the arts. that unleashes them with who they are to be who they are and

not to be judged by who they are not. so many moms in bayview and hunters point and all over, when i go places, they say police support the arts for our children. it is a place where they gain confidence and enjoy work and learn they can do other things, where they find their creative spirit. that contribution is so important. this place is not only physically accessible, but spiritially accessibility as well. i'm very proud of [inaudible] the mayor put $5 million and we put in the first $200 thousand and barbara told me without the floor nothing else [inaudible] some of us were together 10 years goy when

we celebrated [inaudible] i can say to my colleagues in wash ington it wasn't just about transportation but economic growth of the community and now the spiritially and intellectual and cultural life of the community. this is really a cause for great celebration. it is a recognition the arts are central to who we are as a country. [inaudible] over and over again, but more importantly and more personally to everyone here, lets the art sing to the community. [inaudible] every time we come here, one of the [inaudible] always say our community has the word unity in it. it brings us together. a person who works very very hard to bring us all together newly wed

supervisor [inaudible] she is a champion for bayview hunters point and housing and fairness and safety in the community, the list goes on and on. [inaudible] how beautifully she spoke about the opera house inside and we'll hear that now. it gives me great pleasure to take the opportunity to recognize the leadership of your supervisor, malia cohen. [applause] >> well, by god, if you take a moment and take it all in,--

[applause] you think about what [inaudible] it is more than just a day of celebration that we are recognizing in san francisco. for those that grew up here, you know what the opera house means. [applause] the opera house was a safe space for people when they were rioting. the opera house was a safe space for school kids to come here. the opera house was a safe space for seniors to come and congregate. you know what the beautiful thing is about today? is that it bayview opera house will remain

all of this. this is tremendous. you see the people on the stage before you? this is our gift to all of you. when i look out here you know what i see? generation upon generations of people that raised their families, that have been champions fighting [inaudible] i want to take a moment and pay the respect to the [inaudible] to the beautiful namly family of ruth williams, thank you very much. [applause] [inaudible] given us more than just a name to put on a historic building, she gave us a vision and she gave us a

place where we can continue to teach and pass down our culture and pass on that vision. i want to recognize mary booker who kept [inaudible] alive and strong. [applause]. taught people how to act and how to project their voice and have stage presence and having stage presence is more than just being center stage. when you walk into a room you walk with your head held high and that is what mary booker taught us. [inaudible] that was right there with her. when i look in the audience i see so many service providers people who dedicated their lives whether working through the bayview hunters point foundation or [inaudible] or ministry on the

plaza. [inaudible] everyone has a continued role making bayview hunters point more than a point on the map. this is a destination and home and community with real culture and traditions we will pass on from one generation to another. we are here to celebrate a wonderful day and historic absolute beautiful building and want to recognize the many talented people who made this come to fruition. it is always important to respond and respect and acknowledge those people who contributed beyond cht we need to recognize carla johnson who is still giving from the grave. she passed in the completion of the project and donated a sizable portion to the opera house. she was a city employee. [applause] [inaudible] bar people with

disabilities to having access to this building and so this building is so center-center piece of the entire community. when you think about the construction we facilitated here in this building. ang leak thompson, belva davis are in the audience and facilitate being healthy. there are tremendous amount of people that deserve to be recognized. i want to recognize sister linda harrison who is [inaudible] [applause]. it is absolutely important we connect the dots of once people have left a [inaudible] it is how

[inaudible] we are connecting the dots and make sure bayview hunter point get a piece of that action. we will build a program to connect [inaudible] right here to this building so we have our own state of the arts arts exhibit right here. you already heard recognition from barbara occul and bayview opera house board of directors but you know who else was pushed to the way side? i know you know him? how many know [inaudible] i don't know where he is but this is the man who opens up the building and closes the building and walks you to your car and cleans up what is left behind. this is a true gentlemen that had our back in this community. he is

a unsung hero and asks for very little recognition. [inaudible] [applause] this opera house has been a place where people have come together to advocate for issues, important issues impacting our communities and that is what this opera house will symbolize from now for the next hundred years moving forward. we will be stronger and blessed by this and our responsibility to keep it in the community and keep it for us. thank you. [inaudible] supervisor of district 10. [applause] >> thank you supervisor. i want to acknowledge supervisor cohen fl her ongoing support. she committed a number of [inaudible] for the operation. third on third and continuing to make sure the programs here

thrive. thank you so much. [applause]. next is great pleasure to introduce a city partner we could not have done this without who works in all the cultural centers to make sure they are up to code and community ready and that is director of public works, mohammed nuru. [applause]. >> i am very excited and proud to be part of this project as public works director and long time resident of bayview. this is where i raised my children and where i start my day, this is where i end my day. i'm right up the street here so i'm very happy this project has come to fruition of many years of work we have all been putting together to get to this stage. the bayview opera house is a community gem in our

community. this is our neighborhood [inaudible] if you can feel the excitement i have, [inaudible] when we talk about san francisco, those from bayview this is our spot right here! [applause]. the work we have done here in san francisco will continue to make this building serve many more generations to come. as our neighborhoods evolve, it is important to preserve buildings like this to remind us of our history. at this time [inaudible] from our team, one of our partners with sfmta, director riscon, [inaudible] they were very instrumental helping bringing this project to fruition. please give them a hann. from public works,

city architect, [inaudible] lopez [inaudible] who is on site every day. [applause]. janet [inaudible] they were all part of so many people coming together to make this project. please give them a hand. a couple things about the project. while we sit out here and enjoy the garden and stage and all the other places, there a lot of details and work that went into it preserving the building. an the other side from the ground level to the top was rebuilt while trying to keep the building together. the building is no very accessible and has 3 bathrooms, all of them are accessible.

the stage is has a ramp that you can go in and someone in a wheelchair can actually be on stage and many many of the [inaudible] garden and hear a lot about the guard squn what the design of the garden is and how it came about. you all know, behind every successful project team there is architects and electricians, fire marshal and all kinds of people, so today [inaudible] i want to send all these people, so many of them for all the great work and contributions they have done to make this preservation possible. at this time, i t is also my pleasure to introduce a board member vise president of bayview opera house. she was born and raised in bayview and served on many

city commissions and volunteer groups and serves as director of public affairs for our own golden state warriors, please welcome [inaudible] [applause and cheers] >> thank you. i was expecting [inaudible] good evening. this is great. i woke up this morning and was thinking about what i would say and they said i have two minutes and i was going to come up and say it is about time and walk off stage. many of you have seen this building transform, many have seen the neighborhood transform, but i'm excited because i can officially welcome to the bayview opera house, ruth williams memorial theater. [applause]. i want to particularly thank members of the community because this

is your facility as much as it is ours on stage. as malia mentioned this is gift to bayview hunters point and the rest of the city of san francisco and i'm proud to be a part of that process. so, there has been a lot of build up to this event and as i was reflecting on this i tried to think of my earliest memory of the bayview opera house. when you talk about history and preservation, one person that comes to mind is my grandfather who raised me. he migrated from the south, punchsed a property on third and [inaudible]-you remember? and he put all his family in the property. the one vivid memory i have is he would walk [inaudible] pick me up from the

opera house and save me from ballet class and [inaudible] it is those moments that shape me. if you look where we are standing to my left you have [inaudible] you have joseph lee jim, 3 strong institutions, cultural institutions, educational institutions in the physical fitness recreation center. 3 vital things i think the community needs and 3 vital things that shape the community and 3 things that we need to thrive. all that to say, that we all have-we take the personal responsibility to make sure that there is arts and

culture in the facility and not only preserve the long standing history of many folks who come before me but also welcoming the new folks moving to a neighborhood and embracing bayview hunters point as their home. this journey will officially begin-i will say this date, september 17th. you can hold us accountable. [applause]. [inaudible] if you are on the board of directors for the opera house, please raise your hand. [applause] [inaudible] who works tirelessly for this moment and will continue to work tirelessly for the program and for this community. judy [inaudible] who is not here today. she is for the past 10 years has made this her top

priority. supervisor cohen, when she speaks, when she says she is for the community, she means it. she walks the walk each and every day and we appreciate that. mayor lee, continuing on the promises that he addressed and i appreciate that and [inaudible] leader pelosi, you are absolutely right it started with 200 thousand$200 thousand investment and built this from the ground up and appreciate that. how many people with a show of hands are ateneded event or taken a class or participated in a program? keep your hands up because i have another question. this is not the end, this is just the beginning of something special and we need your commitment and need you to volunteer your

time. hands are going down-[laughter]. we need donations. we need board members and staff. this is the beginning and hope all you can come on this journey with us and i appreciate it so much. [applause] before i leave, i need to introduce walter hood. walter came to had bayview opera house about two years ago? three years ago and i remember the first meeting. it was chair and microphone. a meeting with chairs and micro phone in the bayview is unpredictable to say the least, but walter listened and carried the vision out that was for the community and you don't get that all the time. walter, you appreciate you and we thank you. [applause]

>> good afternoon everyone. don't hold it against me, i'm from oakland [inaudible] [applause] the next thing i like to say, [inaudible] do fantastic things. i just saw a young man on a scooter come up the stairs and come along the ramp and he came [inaudible] all of our kids should be able to experience all these landscapes. hopefully in his mind this is not something [inaudible] i like to thank

[inaudible] [applause] [inaudible] this takes a village to make these projects. we only have 5 or 6 good projects [inaudible] you think 5 projects in 30 years and i loick like to say it will be great to have this project [inaudible] i want to come back and [inaudible] i want to see performances out here. [inaudible] the building does not [inaudible] thank you for giving us that mission and allowing us [inaudible] [applause] >> just one step away from the

big moment of the ribbon cutting. i want to show a couple acknowledges. supervisor wiener has joined us. [applause]. and i believe [inaudible] give a big round of applause for all [inaudible] thank you so much for your leadership. i want to do two things, there will be tours available for [inaudible] are going to give tours. if you are interested after the ribbon cutting [inaudible] there will be tours for community members and get information about the accessibility features. the new bathrooms on the downstairs level will allow young people to go to the restroom without going all the way around. this is a [inaudible] at the bayview

opera house. i like to invite some the neighborhood young people that are here today to come on stage to join us for the ribbon cutting. can we get some the young people here? come on stage. [applause and cheers]. this >> if you are a bayview opera house board member please join us. our elected officials hydra mendoza and [inaudible] join us up on stage, please. i need you to help us count down from 10. are we all ready? alright. please join me counting back. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [applause and

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ignoring and item 2 please silence all electronic devices. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole not to department personnel not to enter into the date with a speaker the lack of a irons by the commissioners didn't necessarily constitute an agreement with or support of statements during. >> thank you, madam secretary is there any member of the public that would like to address the commission on a matter not on the agenda seeing none, public comment is closed. please call the next item. >> item 3 discussion and possible action to approve meeting minutes of regular meeting on june 22, 2016.

>> thank you. any public comment on the minutes as submitted? >> all right. no public comment public comment is closed. and i'll go to my fellow commissioners beginning with commissioner vice president cleaveland. >> move to approve. >> second. >> thank you hardeman second. >> all in favor, say i. >> i. >> of approval of the minutes as submitted all in favor, signify by saying i. >> i >> item 4 update on street design and traffic calming changes and changes facing the fire department from challenges facing did sftv r sf f d

welcome chief lombardi. >> it's been a while a lot of progress i'll go through that since the last time. >> good you need the overhead. >> that would be great. >> overhead there we go. >> just an update on the street design and traffic calming and changes that come to us this is a review of the challenges we face everyday responding to fires and medical emergencies we have typography issues and wood frame construction and a lot of overhead electrical wires align zero lot lines the buildings are touching no space it was an the buildings and narrow streets that continue to get narrower with the wooimgd of sidewalks

and we always have delivery trucks double parking and a lot of uber and lyft directives and muni wires overhead and buses and traffic high winds, the threat of rapid fire and the earthquake so possible conflicts points traffic kaivenlg measures obviously response times and pay attention alisa miller issues when the street is narrow not as much room to operate and equipment limitations of what we can and cannot do in the city of san francisco. >> this a lot of stuff on the slide but basically our vehicles with mirrors are over 10 feet wide with the width of mirrors once we put out the jacks on our

aerial trucks the trucks are wide as 17 and a half feet we need a lot of space to operate we have a there's code in the city none of the streets should be narrower than 20 feet but with that it would if we took a round we'll go into traffic and that's how big the vehicles are. >> so you're working with the bureau equipment captain reservoir went and studied rigs and decided to write a speck that will make our vehicles as tight and styled as possible very proud of the spec worked on 2 over a year the bid has closed and under the bid evaluations at the end of august purchasing 8

new engines all will have the streamlined smaller bumps. >> bigger windshields to see when our on an intersection see someone stepping off a curving hair reducing the profile of the riggs rigs and a lot of safety stuff involved. >> one of the more recent issues we had operational issues delores and clinton park bulb outs higher than spec so some 11 inch curves responding and the pictures are a little bit dark but the chiefs is taking pictures during the incident to show us what the operational issues and as 33 these got rid

of not a lot of 6789 implementations done this is new to the city so you know something might look okay. on paper and have a fire so we brought these back to the planning and the mta and working collaboratively to correct the issues. >> so one of the issues every time a plan comes from the city planners they'll put in an su thirty template that mirrors one of the engines a w b 40 template that mirrors one of the aerial trucks what we do is look at a set of blueprints and put the turning template on oh, the rig will make the turn then build whatever project and we have hoof big projects hunters point and treasure island all those things are plugged in go all of

a sudden get feedback hey our rig didn't make the turn only on paper we fought with the templates were be generic and weren't adam representative of the vehicles so working with the mta and the bureau of equipment weighing we've come up with the templates with a custom turning template designed for the fire engines more accurate and the next page we used a w b 40 the typical trademark tailor so we're hoping this helps on the plans so we don't have to physically do cone test at every intersection plug those in and say okay. that will work we're hoping those are brand new and this is the standard when a developer comes before us.

>> working collaboratively with president covington and is members of 798 and with the members of the our department we've come up with and with the city attorney come up with language that we're trying to measure all projects by and i can read to you briefly it is hard to read on the slides they don't support the existing conditions whether non-conforming and enforce the driver to encroach in traffic some turns we go into ongoing traffic by the way, not add a bulb out and the traffic caging measures should request a variance need to be offset thank

you engineering measures several ways to do that daylight instead of cars up to the corner you take about 2 spaces out and come back about 20 or thirty feet and paint that red so what happens it those streets are narrower we used to have a lot of beginning bus lanes in the city not bus lanes. >> bus stops market street a lot of buses stop in the middle of the street in the bus stops the put the accident islands into the street now they go straight that makes the bus lines faster what happens with you do that they take out the regular bus stops on the corner with our sirens people are a way to get out of way into the bus stop the bus stops don't exist

so obtain those tight streets of people want to go out of the way florida no place to go if it is a tight turn we'll get a minimum of 7 by 20 to give us to make the turn both someone's lane but a car can get out of the way working with the fire preservation we've seen those have these we used the mat at the park merced and park merced we went through every turn and matches what we put they were concerned but we literally turn by turn through the park merced and everything falls infrastructure the gm to seems to be working out the new templates we requested they be

tested at 10 miles per hour that is realistically to stop and test something when responding to an emergency vehicle is not realistic. >> this is what we're kind of talking about if you look at the turnout of california dmv handbook okay for a car to do a right turn we don't want to make that worse that's what we're referring to. >> this next shot from an mta presentation previously in the year and as you can see the big rig taking a right clearly into oncoming traffic we would like to pack that the exemption and not the norm so we're talking about daylighting so up before

the hunter o apparent that used to have parking now the parking is cleared out we talk about making a round putting the stop bar for the oncoming traffic back further with the red truck this is back further enables us to make the turn and go into the traffic without disturbing anyone to get out of the way we developed a check sheet we take to cone test before we go do a cone test 3 agencies out there everybody it out but cone test was successful and now we were all standing there we watched it and came back with different views when we are out at the cone test have everyone sign off we're on the

same page when we leave the city. >> so before when we talked about the traffic calming we talked about bulb outs now, one of the things that's hitting the planning design is traffic circles not a lot of them in san francisco one of the new topics that was in the excelsior district it puts a circle in the middle of the intersection as you can see we either on regular traffic have to take a left turn in front of the kitten that is going against traffic or if we took a right all the way around to make the turn we'll not make that turn under the normal conditions transitive kauvenlg didn't work but they create an issue the other issue is

operationally if we have a fire there on the corner that makes it tighter when our parking your rigs once we put a vehicle at the fire hydrant we don't have the whole intersection weeshs working with the mta to figure out a way and mountainable circles then they work it is been a work in progress one that was just tested today with the bureau of equipment and the mta was out at euclid and coming down the pike listens arrest parker avenues the circle will be the potential island that yellow square if we had a fire engine makes it tight this one i talked with any captain the bureau of equipment this one works so some of them work and

some don't on the tighter streets if that is a mountainable island we'll make it operational that's good news. >> another issues that comes before us sometimes not just a bulb out of e or traffic circling but a new building and all of a sudden a plaza out front or a lane change this next one is a literally a market street project but impacts on herman and laguna so the lower hard to see in the pull up the lower long street is market street and they're doing 0 project and the fire department didn't have issues by doing that project on market street they're taking a lot of parking now they want to move the parking to herman street that is up on the

top left-hand side corner that is what affects us this is currently the way herman street this in front of you the parking is parallel parking up and down the block to accommodate the parking off the market street they want to take the parallel parking and make that 45 degree parking that all of a sudden makes the street narrower the cars are in straight as you can see in the green top bar 31 feet or greater across it gives us operational room on the street the proposed plan is this one you can see the parking is at at angle to nor cars will be able to park on the street the green we went to 25 feet 18 feet are 25 feet so we met out there a week ago and can't go under 25

feet a building with 40 feet we need 26 feet we're working together and supposed to be coming back with a proposal of 26 feet but they'll have to change the parking so those are some of the challenges not just bulb out or circles. >> this last thing so when we put in the angleed parking a one-way street instead of a two-way not a big issue you notice the big yellow that is a 13 foot bulb out 13 feet that is how far the cars is all of a sudden laguna we can't take a right we'll have to go to market street and down the street that creates an operational issue i relied to it to them the long line is an island they'll came

back with a new bulb out slung to laguna we can take a right and respond to the fire everybody has an agenda for parking and wider situations and get somewhere and do our job together that is been good now the next project a topic that's brought up a few times this on franklin and the reason that can about a project on oak streets right now station 36 goes to market street and a right on market street that's how the assess the area the project on oak street wanted a big plaza and no cars coming down and they permitted a lane an franklin avenue after talking with the chief and the operations chiefs and so forth a bad idea franklin

is 4 lanes in one direction and us in the opposite direction no barricade a tough turn on the firehouse we met with the planning and the mta and looked at it this several times that will not work for us we have the meeting in two weeks they understand and so their meeting with the project and they're going to widen oak street to go done down that way that is the picture of oak street plaza that was can you see the contra flow last but not least one of the challenges that is now arising throughout the city is speed humble applications so the mta gets application for those speed

humps the speed humps slow down traffic we have to stop before a speed humble it takes a white to get the heavy piece of equipment especially on the hill and a speed humble they have speed humps and speed cushions. >> cushions are speed humps with cut outs a car is not wide enough will go bump bump but a bigger bus or engine can make that so there was about 20 speed utterances e cushions put in we sent them out the addresses to our field members and we are okay with the speed cushions but, glow them with the cut

outs, however, the speed humps don't work i asked the mta how does muni work with them, no speed humps on muni lines why is that and they told me is slows down the muni response time and (laughter) this is true and it is uncomfortable for the riders when you go over speed humps it is uncomfortable for the patient we see have the same problems as the muni but the muni on a set route they can handle that we don't know our routes this is tough but the speed cushions but found out we're okay with those so we will be advocating for speed cushions but still be against the speed humps and i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> that's the update on the

latest thank you chief lombardi. >> any public comment on chief lombardi presentation on street design and traffic calming seeing none, public comment is closed. beginning with commissioner vice president cleaveland >> thank you madam president and thank you for your very good report chief lombardi as always your on top of that i have a number of questions number one the 25 minimum width for us is that in state code if so is that local code. >> we'll have to deter to my colleague on that one. >> good evening, commissioners. >> dan. >> chief. >> that is right out the fire code a state code, however, not

adopted by the fire marshall but through the amendments. >> could we make it 25. >> we could we can make it as wide and necessary for the operations in the city and i think we have i think we can agree 25; right? chief lombardi. >> in the current subdivision is what we state if there is no buildings over 40 feet 20 feet wide is okay over 40 feet we'll put our aerial operations we'll require 26 feet. >> 26 feet as we descend if i our city and build higher buildings to accommodate the populations we need the wider streets in any personal opinion i think getting to a fire is very important. >> consideration. >> on street closures do you

get consulted when there's talk about closing a street even if temporarily closes. >> i'll have to defer to the fire marshall on that one. >> what's the rules on street closures is the fire department needing to respond to the fires rallies in the streets are closed what do you mean. >> we have temporary closure and permanent through our tasks and basically we look at the main thing enforcement of fire code and operational needs and then access to the structures and the buildings directly impacted by the shut down. >> are there exceptions. >> are there exceptions you close the streets off permanently not getting through

that a fire engine. >> there are general rules or guidelines in the fire code we can be more reflective and can't be let's be restrictive if an existing condition anyone restrictive we can get allowance if that way by allowing a permanent closures. >> timely for instance, you want to create a park. >> yes. >> all right. where the fire department come down. >> we will look at the access to the buildings that will be effected by that closure and that's number one if we can we look at is there anything unique any characteristics of those believes that you know though you meet the requirement you know it wouldn't be wise to do that we go case by case and work our way through the final step

to consultant with operations and to make sure we're everyone buys into that proposal. >> if you say no who trumpets trumps you, you pardon the phrase. >> we have competing local ordinances that's the question we put forward to the city attorney and have yet to get revolution. >> however, i'll say to the best of my knowledge i don't think we've been over rind it is a struggle in negotiation at times but ultimate to the best of my knowledge we had maintained it was definitely necessary. >> a problem between you and sfmta who is the mediator the city attorney says the fire department wins this one or - >> in my opinion or the da. >> in my opinion we consult

with the city attorney we haven't had to do that it takes a village. >> what happened in the delores park i mean it they'll spent multiply that motives of dollars and built curbs too high for the fire engines to make the corners or whatever. >> i don't know the specifics but we've said not a curve higher than 6 inches some of the curbs are 11 inches that is double. >> who talked to you did the rec and park or dpw or sfmta who consultants with the it fire department when they do the massive redesigns of city property beautiful parks but when they did that work they should have had the fire department at the table.

>> some things we are consulted on and some not we have a task but i've cockamamy to realize not all the tasks come to before task then it never comes to the fire department. >> so who is going to fix it will they fix it. >> it specific instances i know they're looking at it. >> amazing, amazing. >> i'm really happy to here the custom turning templates and have the - you do this in consumption i assume with sfmta and correct and you seen down at the bottom of the templates sfmta made the template we worked in clofbs with them and it was a lot of good work. >> so sign off on both sides. >> yes. that's important. >> i wonder why we can't get

you know take more the sidewalk off of market street in order to have more for emergency vehicles. >> the islands have made a difficult one lane of traffic and a muni bus sitting in the middle this is it you'll forced into oncoming traffic to get around it so that is happening more frequently and more frequently and absolutely competing interests the city is growing they want to make the sidewalks wider and safer but something has to give the buildings are not getting smaller it shrinks the streets and we should have a dedicated bike lane up and down all of market street but something has to give i mean yeah. i don't know why we have to have the sidewalks as wide we can take 10 or 15 feet off it doesn't

matter. >> contra flow lanes what an awful idea. >> i ago with you and wherever proposed we should say absolutely not. >> it would be nice to have a dedicated lane but the opposite lane like franklin is dangerous agriculture that's a ridiculous idea absolutely. >> so when they - i like speed cushions that's what they should put in not speed humps but speed cushions so emergency vehicles and buses can get through so do you get consulted every time you put in a speed humble. >> we've met a few times with the sfmta i think they'll

consult us before they put in a speed humbp we've if they do a speed human they'll call us. >> you have that in writing. >> no, but thank you chief lombardi that's all my questions. >> thank you commissioner vice president cleaveland commissioner nakajo. >> thank you, very much. madam president thank you, again chief lombardi for your comprehensive report i always enjoy listening to you, you have concise information. >> thank you this package is 26 pages i'm

glad we showed because of references i paged it myself starting with page one if we didn't have a comprehensive presentation like this this kind of a handout as well i don't think we'll have the valuable kinds of specific issues that speck us today part of this discussion is presentation is policies that happened previous and policies logical operational issues that pertain to us and the vice president pointed that out i'm researching to the page on page 5 the new specs reduced profile the page specifically made reference to captain rivera and the building of equipment i

specifically appreciate this kind of input it has the expertise of the department i'll always listening to and the good thing chief you have the accountability with the colleagues, i see things in pictures it enforce that because of the new bumps or the grab bars and the handles those are things i can see comprehensive and see how much of a difference it makes with the creative discussion in terms of the street north america's in terms of it shrinking and the next is delores park and if i don't read and the commissioners don't see the pictures ma of the colleagues are good another going to the scene you go to the scene and see things you don't see what is on paper how it

effected operationally when i see specifics on data and operational issues and identification of delores and clinton park on page 6 and then come to the presentation that is clinton referred to as s thirty and w b 40 terms that kind of what didn't work or what was an example in design bit equity commissioner vice president cleaveland that doesn't have the input of the department that is a preliminary example what i like about you chief your tone is a coercive nature and the inclusive an item period but to the point of a result we're trying to work this out is a challenge and the scompleblths of that city and department as examples we can name the mta or

variables and have policy effects and changes and if we're not part of that that cause operational problems for me to hear it is we helped to design it it works you know rather than go out and put out the cones those are the things that are important for everybody to hear especially the commission in terms of how and a these effects and page 9 called the traffic calming measures again, it is really helpful for myself to be able to be hear this i made refrnlz on the brt of the boulevard and many of our seniors and physicians have to understand that the corner used to wait for the bus stop for ever is no longer the corner and you have to what go to the

middle of the street my question how do you get to the middle of the street and muni wants to be on time and fine and dan i didn't in terms of that response i hear specifically if the bus is removed how do the folks in front of us goat out of way i've before on ride along these and i don't know how we reach the designations i've seen circus stuff but we get there we criticize and sometimes, i think that is a dual education but you have to have a measurement where you'll go if we don't - >> some of the other pages i've marked with a number i earmarked and again page 1 is traffic circle and maples and russian street you give examples of u -

i go by agriculture division streets and curious what is heck is going on and to answer our question it goes back to the concern of the vice president of the consumption and cooperation by the departments and the communication or non-consumption or non-consumption what i'm beginning to hear and gratified we the fire department are part of the discussions and it makes me aware after a administratively level to pay attention to all the projects in the city and let alone have comprehensive i don't know the difference between a hump and speed cushion i know i see cushion i'm going (laughter). >> i go a little bum but i go and the

hump i'm worried about the guy paying attention but again, i know about citizens and neighborhood when they have a concern the want something done and the city and county has to respond some kind of administrative policy it is important and the other pages to franklin contra flow lanes i almost asked for the address of the market street and other project i'm amazed not in san francisco how different the projects effect us all so again commissioner vice president cleaveland and colleagues all of the incases i think you posed it well the competing interests

similarly with the bike lanes and pedestrian walkways and adopting the programs we're getting a handle on traffic and besides all the other issues i appreciate very much your comprehensive report chief lombardi i said to share the comments with the commission thank you. >> thank you commissioner nakajo commissioner hardeman. >> thank you, madam chair chief lombardi good job as usual we appreciate it and good to see them on the monitor. >> nice i think we've commented on this this is nice to see the new bumpers - it protects the drivers from a ding you barely hit something that don't good when our rubbing against a person or pedestrian

to protect the firefighter from a simple one inch in makes a big difference those are terrific the templates that you have for turning item lasts terrific your dealings as far as the dedicated lanes everybody spoke about that that didn't seem to be a good idea on oak street the safety zones stop at the crosswalk when the ones you have here that showed them going out into around and it is the opposite you see where it will be difficult for the big vehicle

fire equipment to get around so good job on dealing with that. >> parking and bicycles those are two things we have to deal with so your problem on herman street with the parking we have to it is a fire department have to try to keep the public happy with the parking but it was so unremarkable the other thing those rubber lanes separatesers for the bikes and the assessors the fire equipment can go over those are

there are several types of bulk and mass those are if you notice when you leave here tonight and look to the right of city hall you'll see a 6 inch curve that makes it tough for operations. >> you referred to that so very good great report really appreciate all your efforts. >> thank you. >> and i appreciate being able to rally this to the reference. >> thank you commissioner hardeman thank you for your presentation chief lombardi my fellow commissioners as we go forward we're going to have more presentations like this at our last meeting the captain bomb is on the task and goes to the large meetings but chief lombardi said not everything goes before the task i think the more we're informed

about those issues and challenges that are coming up the more we can lend our voice to helping create sidewalks chief lombardi can you please go over page 2 challenges of san francisco that you gave us the headlines but not the story. >> those are operational challenges we have and depend on any given night or day where the fire is at you know you know the typography we have hills hills are dangers the whole city were flat it would be better to do the operations and turns. >> before you go on for the typography there is a push for people to try to convince us we

need smaller rigs but because of the hills. >> right. >> it is true it not we have to have a rig of a certain size. >> great point because of the hills very we have to have horse power to get up the hill our engines carry 5 thousand gallons of water to get up the hill is certain type of motor with the small conditions and everything else those vehicles are bigger so you might go to another city with something smaller their innovate casing the same type of equipment and the same terrain we've gone to the manufacturers out after a major city with 24 terrain we have some of the

smallest custom trucks around believe it or not there they are so big with major cities with hills have bigger rigs with this last we worked long and hard to get those as tight and confined i'm excited this order is out next month and get the rigs. >> thank you continue, please. >> yeah. so the wood construction very unique obviously we're heard about the fires in the mission district over the past most the city is old you know and it is built of wood and with the zero lot lines that is also on this we don't have the luxury of pulling up to a big and stand outside and hose it to down it that spread and spread and spread we have to carry our water with us to do that and it is just.

>> tough fighter when wood construction overhead electrical wires we have regular electrical wires that makes it tough to throw ladders and an aerial spot we have a lot of muni wires that a carrier d.c. voltage so always when you know it is not like our traditional suburb all wirings wiring is unknown all wires is above ground it makes it difficult to fight fires in those situations the narrow streets a lot of narrow streets that exist in chinatown and alleys in other parts of city to start narrowly those streets is a double-edged sword yeah, the sidewalks are wideneder and should be safer but less of a distance to across from one

corner to another would that for us operation needs it shrinks the street and you know making a sidewalk bigger shrinks the operation but on new developments even if the buildings putting them closer together this city has burned down 6 times natural firebreaks designing those neighborhoods i'm not seeing the natural firebreaks with a 40 or 50 foot street if a neighborhood burns like van ness is a natural firebreak for us and it is tough because you are doing the urban planning and make the streets cozy when the wind or fire kicks up it spreads fast and makes it challenging delivery trucks and double parking flo i don't know if it is as crazy as now and adrc the

thirty thousand uber and lyft drivers we have two lanes one way and two lanes the other very soon that will be one lane in each direction one delivery truck stopped at any time of day on second street traffic will be stopped it is challenging the citizen not paying attention citizens hear the sirens and wanted to do the right thing and get out of way no where for them to go that makes it defendant difficult to respond and the spread of rapid fire ultimately a matter of if but when. ake not >> thank you for going on over that list of challenges you presented at the beginning you know we've talked about a number

of things here at the commission meeting and it is always good to have visuals especially, when it comes to things like the new vehicle spec reduced profile you know that is really prove with the existing bumps sticking out you know quite a bit and the new bumpers a few inches out the new grab bars and handles this is prove that the department has put on its thinking cap to figure out how to reduce the profile of the vehicles without reducing you know the vehicle itself so those things are no longer an impediment and the operational

issues that delores and clinton park i agree with both commissioner vice president cleaveland and commissioner nakajo regarding those issues i mean a 9 inch high curve is also challenging for people with mobility issues it is very difficult to handle some of these these new ways of doing business in the city i'm glad that there are new item mates i know that last year, we talked about last year maybe earlier this year when i attended a couple of the meetings at headquarters good to see those turning item mr. metcalf's plates correct me if i am wrong some of the early

templates were based on business vehicles. >> yeah. there are generic templates their based on a bob tailed truck and using that for the engine and a semitrailer for the aerial ladders so they just standardly plugged those in once a project is done, huh? we're not manning that like i said the mta worked with us in a great collaborative effort and got the templates. >> very good i'm very happy to see that because it is what we need to have in order to make the decisions and do what we need to do which is get to people when it is necessary so you talked about cone test i know but please. we tried to use the templates but in certain situations we go

we don't know if this will work and the templates work with flat say an incline and everything effects if if we don't on the templates will be a great reflection we literally go out with the mta and bring a fire engine and truck and then the mta sets up cones to what the do you believe will be and set up a set of cones and go to the turn or where the island will be we physically run our vehicles there that challenge and then we'll park an engine and fire hydrant as if we had a fire and can we get around that we'll do that kind of stuff like i said this is a great way to do it. but that takes a lot of man-hours and a lot of people involved if into agencies so when necessary we do that but

try to simply to we're not taking a company out of service the other thing we developed that sheet because a lot of time we go out and oh, it worked no, it didn't work off it worked so everyone is on the same page 10 miles per hour and left turn and right turn everybody signs off on the sheet it make it clearer for everybody involved >> that level of detail insures that everyone is on the on the same page you know when you have this emergency vehicles and this is sheet one of 55 days is long this really helps everyone in terms of information gathering and decision making a this is a wonderful improvement.

>> now the traffic circles they seem to be becoming more importantly and unless you've been in places that have lots of kiblz like england and other places people just don't know what to do when they come to a circle in san francisco. >> i agree. >> chaos did he go when did i jump in. >> we don't center them in the city is confusing you know people are born somewhere or where they had circles i remember last year up to oregon with a lot of traffic circles i personally like to think i'm a good driver but you have to jump out at the right time we're not familiar with them here so we'll see how they work i mean operationally it closing up

a street so it is a challenge. >> why is that an impetus so o to have more. >> i can't speak for planning i don't know it is aesthetics the one we did in the excelsior there was doughnuts in the intersection to people spin doughnuts and wanted to put a stop to that they put something in the middle of an intersection i don't know why this was the reason for that one we're working with supervisor farrell's office and that maybe a speed issue they may want to slow down the cars i'm not sure. >> those concerns are valid people making doughnuts and sideshows you definitely don't want that but being able to know well in advance that those are planned so the department can

give feedback an essential do you feel that is happening. >> i think on these two instances with those circles plenty of knowledge and tested like i said, the excelsior one so for the size they proposed didn't work met with the supervisor after he's willing to go with a smaller to get something into the intersection that would work and working with the supervisor they gave his plenty of no and mta was working with us we tested it today and like i said getting the initial feedback from the captain of the bureau was positive. >> it is helpful to have it and be able to see this table and discuss those things before it is you know that oh, my goodness when did the circle august president i have to tell you you sat on the vision zero

task fh us and a lot of these things originally were put forth and the fire department didn't responds or know about it and i guess that's a yes and things went in since we've been telegraph hill involved in the last 6 months the communication before the fire department and mta have been much, much better getting more notification and it seems to be working for everybody that's the reason we started it task force not always the case but working better. >> it sounds like the kings are worked out and for everyone's benefits especially, when it comes to safety matters anything you want to add regarding herman street or - let's see so much paper. >> herman street we met the planner out there for that and

like i said again, they wanted to know our operational problems and issues again, we don't have an issue with one way to two-way but operational when it is - they're redoing the plan and we'll workout everything that will be positive. >> and laguna. >> laguna that's the laguna one was they wanted to put an extra island and taking a round he's like you can drive over the island but human nature we don't drive over islands that makes it tougher if the island was not there they seem to be receiver to the needs i think that will should tell. >> you're saying they are repetitive to our needs oh, it is joyful. >> i love it when people are

receiver to our needs seconds count and not - this is serious business very, very serious business. >> so the oak street plaza where does that stand. >> the oak street plaza. >> this is right at the. >> between van ness and franklin on oak street. >> across from the musical con tether. >> that area will contain 4 thousand new units of housing a huge, huge project and it is happening all over the place the city it is essential for folks fr