>> i am the president of the commission. before we start the meeting i want to do a few house keeping items we do all the timeism a member of had public and would like to speak on a item on our agend a, please do so when i call for public comment and have speaker cards up there. you can fill one out and hand to our staff and they will pass it to me when the item is heard. secondly, please turn off all cell phone or put them on vibrate. thank you to sfgovtv and media services for broadcasting this live to the public. we will start the roll call

>> commissioner thomas, here. commissioner caminong, here. commissioner frost, here. president tan, here. ; we have a quaurp. commissioner lee is on his way as well as commissioner perez and commissioner joseph is absent this evening. >> great, for those who watch regularly we have a new person who hits up here because our staff has grown. director king will be up here with the commissioners and has not transitioned herself into a commissioner. the first item of business is general public comment. this is for public comment on item that pertains to the business of entertainment commission but not agendized. any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. we move to item 2, which is approval of

meeting minutes which is continued and minutes are from may 17, 2016. yp don't have the list of members in front of me that were there, but is everyone here? can we pass that? >> may 17? >> looks like we have to continue it again. >> you can just wait till later in the meeting. we may be able to bring it up as opposed to continue it when other members arrive. i don't know either if enough will be here >> last time i asked if the city attorney can weigh in if the members of the meeting need to be here. >> i did not ask that >> if you can ask that because we only have 4 members including audrey who is not here today. can i just get a motion to continue?

moved by commissioner thomas and second by commissioner frost. >> commissioner thomas, on the motion. >> the motion passes, the minutes are continued. item 3, report from executive director king. >> good evening. i hopefully will be brief because you have a lot of permits this evening. wanted to update on couple things on legislative and policy. the first is i continued to and spent two hours last week meeting with [inaudible] and associates on trying to create best practice for sound studies. the two of you that were at the rdr committee meeting tonight know how important these sound

studies are and having to speak to developers over and over about going back to the drawing board because they have done the least amount of work possibly opposed to what the commission is looking for is becoming a problem. i'm work wg actually [inaudible] pauley as well to craft something that isn't per cryptive because i don't want-something that we can guide people and then get a really good product out of. as soon as i get something you can actually read, i'll present it to the commission more formally and will want your feedback. it gets pretty technical, but so be it, you will do your best. i'm learning so you can too. the other thing i wanted to make her the commission knows is we have-we were asked by the goldengate restaurant association a couple weeks ago

whether we wanted to do a workshop on performing rights organizations. those are the organizations in america, there are 3, bmi [inaudible] they are organizations that represent like song writers and host of complicated issues around copy write and paying out performers for their music and every year nigh businesses open and every year people get letters from these agencies telling them they have to pay license fees and think it is a scam and through these pieces apaper away and it gets to a opponent they were threatened with lawsuits so restaurantss and places of entertainment get these letter jz tried to bring these agencies together but long story short, the [inaudible] asked us, us being this commission as well as the mayors office of economic and workforce

development to put together a wub workshop so they secured a attorney who can hopefully in easy english explain to the business operators who really don't understand music and song writing, nor should they, why this is legitimate and important and hopefully we'll record it and won't have to repeat it over and over. i got a [inaudible] at the main library, so you guys are invited to come, it is august 16th. i think we set from 2:30 to 4:30 probably won't be that long and will send out aswy get closer e-mail invites. it is sort of interesting if you don't have a basic understanding you probably should because it does come up every year and any time a new business we are approached by all these

agencies and don't understand why they are responding their money on. i want to [inaudible] summit which is october 3 and we are working on try to fill out content because we always want to be as relevant as possible so not prepared at the moment to tell you what it is all about but as we get closer we will make sure it is in your calendar if you are interested being involved in that. way more important is this fellow sitting here, this is introduction to dylan rice and didn't bring his resume. i talked to you guys all most two years about hiring a employee to work on outdoor events and issues around amplifyed sound and isues around the trials and tribulations of producing a event in san francisco. there is a tiny community event you don't

have the money for any services or big one like pride. we finally got someone to work on this stuff and if you want to say a few words. >> this is my first meeting, pleasure and honor to be here and excited to work with the community of event producers and all the other stakeholders. i have a background in music. i'm a singer and song writer and recording aal bms and tured and done event production in private and public spaces and my most recent gig is city of chicago cultural affairs. i did music industry development work. >> yep, so he will be a great asset. he also brings zero baggage around san francisco and all its ups and downs, which is great. we have someone who doesn't know who anyone is yet. nobody screw that up. so, the last

thing i want to say is when we publish this agenda there was nuther to report under corrective actions and don't have anything formal to report but oferk the weekend which is past the point of this agenda publication, there was a homicide in proximity to [inaudible] on geary street. we haven't gotten paperwork because as you know the police department doesn't allow aus to see the reports especially in the case of a homicide so we rin the midst of planning a sit down and have spoken to the operator of the venue already. they are permitted, they were permitted a very long time ago by the police department which is still a valid permit but to come up to speed as far as entertainment commission good neighbor policy squz security plan so working with the police to find a meeting time that works early

next week and we will be going over all those issues to bring that file to date. again, i can't speak to necessarily any breach in particular until we get our hands on more information, but i thought tfs important to bring it to you guys just in case you get a question. we are working on it and it is unclear the nexus so i can't say what will happen or any corrective action but they will come in and try to figure this out. >> do you know at least if it was a patron or a couple patrons involved? >> we know the victims were patrons. it is unclear whether the perpetrator was. >> alright. thank you for that report. welcome aboard dylan. we are excited to have you. i think live event have been a really important part

the commission, but with no one being able to hold the flame. you named some existing events but things like holloween and things not so organized need leadership around that. glad you on board. i want to say something about the sound study best practices. i look forward to seeing that because i think there is a need not only for the residential developments that are learning about that but also our poe holders because not all them are completely sound proof and think there is things that they can do as well and for existing ones and future ones so think that will be helpful. any questions from commissioners for the drerkts report. commissioner thomas. >> i notice the daw dada bar is

running into community opposition concern about the move to the mechanics institute. do you have update on how that is going? >> well, the hold up now is own the liquor license, so i guess i believe it went through the pcn at the board and that was passed and approved, but there are appeals potentially pending. again, this is around the abc license. entertainment probably didn't get appealed. we will not issue anything until there is a active operation there but i don't have anymore-it could take a while obviously if abc and there is a state level sort of action. got a little political, so we'll see. >> all knroe is what i read in the news accounts of the hearing.

>> yeah, right now the arena sitting in is around the liquor license so i'm hands off in that regard. >> thank you. >> any other questions? if not, we'll move to inspector report. >> thank you president tang, good evening commissioners. few items to note a couple made complaint at venues, two of which maybe you haven't heard of and one who we talked about before. place of entertainment [inaudible] 144 taylor i have been under the impression they have done a lot of feeder base spoken word events towards the bake of their space and based on the recent complaint it sound like they may have started booking live bands in the front room. in my experience after taking a walk through there early on

during the construction phase, they got a big glass window that faces taylor and the stage is directly in front of that so think it will require upgrade and maybe sound curtain. the stage itself can transfer vibration, not sure but the complainant is across the street so think the sound is going through that window and disturbing the apartment building across the street. i have yet to go on site and hear live bands. i plan doing that this weekend. we got a report about a business later on in the evening having karaoke nights and have yet to put ears or eyes on this particular place. it looks closed when i go by, it is dark and i cannot hear a thing, so i'm going to continue to swing by 431 eddy. the past

weekend with west bay conference center, the place that came up before hereby. we haven't heard from this complainant quite a bit and after stopping by late sunday i learned this past weekend their air conditioning system had failed, windows were open to accommodate over heated guests for a wedding party and that led to a little bit of a storm of sound iminating from the room. the citation will be issued and have a chat to see how it can be prevented in future. i let the complainant know the earlier we know the quicker we can address it. >> they are not like our typical night club, so what are they holding

just weddings? they have come up a few times. >> generally birthdays and weddings and family reunions. it is a event space people can rent out. >> i think they did a good job tightening up closing windows and put foam board in windows and sound curtains overthe foam board and were looking good for a while and the past weekend there was a malfunction of equipment that led to drastic measures being taken. pardon me. maybe a little of over kill in the next category, but wanted to give a perspective how active we are on weekends where the city has larger events. i'm not sure if we had discussed necessarily because of the

july 4th hearing was canceled but pride went off basically from a venue standpoint without a hitch. there were a couple events that we were a bit concerned about, some out of the ordinary things especially across the street from the eagle, they had a permit for a outdoor event and there was unexpected crowd but the numbers were low and security was well manned. all the usual folks, folsom were well staffed. that was the first weekend and [inaudible] reopened and visited them a couple time squz all the conditions in place by the permit on staff were abided by. they were using wands, id scanners, sfpd expected the new security system so

everything was looking really good. i think that wraps it up for me. happy to answer any questions you might have. >> um, in terms of civic center plaza knroe there was increased security, did you hear from police how that went? >> everything time i stopped that weekend i try today check in with police. i didn't hear a single thing about anything really out of the ordinary. most of my focus when it comes to the patrols for things like that are sound based. i do try to keep a eye especially when i see pd outside the eagle, there was some sfpd posted and checked with them, how are things going--i didn't see anything out of the

ordinary at civic center. i saw people going and was there for a hour and half and parking here and there. >> great. >> i did want to let you know item a on our agenda, i have been involved in for quite a while so if there are any questions when that comes up-- >> great. alright. commissioners looks like we are happy with the report. any public comment on either director or inspectors report. don't see any. item 4, police department comments and questions. anything the police want to talk about today besides permits? nope. alright. we'll move along to item number 5. this is a hearing and possible action regarding application for permits under the jurisdiction of entertainment

commission. we have 5 tonight that are all a little different and the first is chamber eat and drink for a loud speaker permit. >> i will start you off and then we'll roll into i guess maybe the permits applicant and/or sean depending. what is before you is loud speaker permit for something that ends before 10 p.m. administratively we typically handle these things in the office, but it has been a practice to bring them to commission if we had complaints over a period we couldn't resolve through any methods we use so that is why this is before you. there have been quite a number of these applications through the office in the past. this one in particular is asking for similar amplification in the courtyard of the phoenix hotel this sunday from

12 p.m. to 7 p.m. and as far as what they are doing and how they are doing, the applicant is here. hopefully i believe and we invited the neighbor who had a ongoing sound concern to come speak on his own behalf, but as i said, we tried to work through and use sean quite a bit to try to find a common ground, which we haven't been able it do so are here today to ask you to help us do that and hopefully consider more than just this sundays permit which is before you but given direction to staff going forward how to deal with any other future permits that we do expect from this location. so, if you would like to hear from the permit applicant

or mr. burke, that is up to you. >> um, let's bring up the permit applicant. is isabel manchester here? >> a little nervous so smile. >> it is okay. >> hi, i'm isabel manchester and a partner at the phoenix hotel and chambers and like jauslen mentioned we are here to talk about the permit that we submitted for this sunday's party and whatwy do on all events we have i can talk about but this sunday is a event cohosted by anderson [inaudible] which is a business owner in the city and we host an event that has incorporates a dj. this weekend it is pool side who was a band that originated from san francisco but doing a dj event only this sunday and host the events from 12 to 6 on the

weekends. i pull the permits from 12 to 7 because i like to give a little time for shut down and that's pretty much the basis of the event. >> great. from what we understand there has been complaint from at least one neighbor, can you tem about the history trying to work with this person and any other neighbors that may have been effected? >> the phoenix hotel has been there a long time and the history of daing events in the courtyard is a long timeyism have been a partner in the business 5 years and have been doing events throughout the-we use the courtyard for a number of event whether weddings or fashion shows or these dj events in the summer time. it was-i don't know how long but heard complaint from one neighbor, as far as i

know there is only one neighbor. we reached out myself personally and other partners reached out to see what we can do and maybe invite this neighbor to see what we are doing here and see if we can fine a solution to find a common ground. i know recently we didn't hear too much back from the neighbor himself in trying to sort of work with us, so we did start working a little more closely with sean to have come by and take a look at the situation to make sure we were working within the sound ordinances. we now have decibel levels we work with and decibel meters on property. i work every events so very aware of the neighbor complaint and want to work with him to try to find a solution to not be such a nuisance, so

i'm there walking the property, myself, turning the dj's down. anybody that work would a dj knows that is a constant struggle and take as lot of attention, so that is-like i said earlier, another thing we have been doing is i pull the permits from 12 to 7, but try to end events at 6 o'clock because i do aware of the time. we also even though we pull them at 12 events generally start at 1 o'clock so we are kind of minimizing the amount of sound in the courtyard. >> are you notifying at least this one neighbor or other neighbors when events will come and with advance notice? >> we have done a number-we have done a-the hotel sen out an e-mail to hotel guests mpt i did start off by letting the neighbor know as much as i could in advance about the events. when

e-mails came back not as positive and felt it was hitting a wall, i did stop on a certain occasion for little time. in talking to sean and figuring best practice we started again. the neighbor does currently know all of the events we still have scheduled for the rest hof the summer and so our plan moving forward is always let him know whatever we have planned the times of it and so he has is fully aware. >> great and then so you mentioned decibel meters. are there other sound atinuation techniques you tried to not have the same sort of impact on this particular neighbor? >> um, well i'm not necessarily sure and understand the question. there are ways there is base is i think it is

probably more bothersome so we keep the base at a certain level. we tried different speaker the way we position our speaker throughout the courtyard and found having 4 corner speakers is better because it keepathize sound in the courtyard versus everywhere else so we have been trying a number of different methods relying on people like sean to let us know what works and doesn't work and completely open to whatever the suggestions are. >> okay. great. i'll open for other commissioners if there are questions or thoughts. commissioner frost. >> how long have you been using the decibel meter? >> um, well this-we used it this year in the past we used-we have always used a decibel meter but this year we had sean come down and say here is where you want to stay within the levels to

have the number is this year. >> so, you have used it for the last few events? >> uh-huh. >> okay. people that are having issues with the noise do they have your number or number of somebody on site they can call during the events? >> i supplied my phone number a number of times. we e-mailed a number of times throughout the course of the day. as soon as the events does start he generally reaches out and asks about the timing of the event and how long it will last. there is a lot of dialogue. he certainly could get a hold of us when he would like to. we would encourage that. he has a phone number to the hotel as well. >> and then you say that you generally don't start at 12. when people are setting up, are they doing sound checks? >> sometimes >> but not before 12? >> no, which is also something

we need for the hotel as well. >> thank you. >> hi isabel, how are you? the speakererize pointing toward the middle of the courtyard? >> uh-huh >> have you tried a configuration so none are facing your neighbors? the actual apartment. >> well, the neighbor to my understanding and i don't exactly know where the neighbor lives by my understanding is the neighbor is above and behind so it is hard to comment on that because i don't know where he lives. i do know after speak to a lot of sound experts this is the best way to control sound is have them all come in to have the 4 corner speakers. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner caminong. >> can you tell how men events

occur during busy season and how soon do you notify the neighbors an event will be occurring? >> throughout the course of the year, we do a number of events. busy season is often times dictated by so many different things but the events now we are doing a lot more weddings than we use today do. december we'll pull a number of-we do weddings and corporate event and fashion shows and summer sunday series between june and generally late september. throughout the course of the year we ask for 15 permits for sound and pull a sound permit for anything that requires a loud speaker so even just a wedding in the courtyard and exchanging vows we pum a permit. during the summer sunday series which is one we have

this sunday, we try our goal is limit to two a month so two in june, two in july and two in august and two in september and try to do them so they are not back to back. sometimes it doesn't work out that way but that is our attempt so probably throughout the course of the summer 8 and then the rest peppered throughout the year. >> how soon do you notify neighbors? >> in the past we submit for the permit and then wait for the permit approval and that is when we let the neighbor knows so often times it is dictated by that. generally around i would-sometimes it has fallen through the cracks and have maybe e-mail was queued and only been a few days before, which is not what we like it to

be but normally i would say about two weeks. currently because i wanted to let this neighbor know what we had planned, he has the schedule through october. >> thank you. >> commissioner lee. >> when you got the sound meter and didn't have it before the first time uuse td did you realize you have to bring the volume down when you first started to use it or did you find that the way you have been using it all along falls within the inspectors range? >> you know, we actually found for like i said, i have always worked these events and been on property for everyone and found the range we normally were playing in was within the range he asked to be in. i walk the perimeter outside because i have been in the industry a long time and recognize the complaint so

when we start an event i go outside and see what it sounds like before the event starts and go out and check and go out and sense it is too loud i run in before the meters run back in and say, time to turn it down. but i did recognize or find that we were generally within those volume levels. >> i walked by and been to some the engagements there and think it is not a huge ridiculously uncontrollable amount of sound but the tricky part is you are outdoors and given the way the phoenix is positioned you basically have 4 walls around you that go up 8 plus stories. i'm curious for most permits for place of entertainment they have 4 walls we can contain but in this situation you can't contain the sound as well. i think you trying

things like the [inaudible] and speakers. i'm curious how open you would be in other situations where we outdoor event or people that want to do outdoor events next to residential propertys there have been improvements made whereimably double pane windows or added or sound curtains, is that something you are open to or exploreed? >> we would certainly be open to it. we haven't exploreed it. in a course with the e-mail dialogue with the neighbor we did sort of ask our suggest we would all be aloud including maybe a commissioner to go into the property and see what it sounded like to see if we can come up to something so we are open to that for sure. >> that is helpful to know because i think without being able to build a wall and ceiling above your courtyard and think we want to think about

what we can do for the residents. other thoughts from commissioners? why don't you have a seat and see if inspector burke has thoughts on this. do youment want to speak to the cument plaint or efforts we tried to mitigate them? >> yes. inspector sean burke. i think that you hit the nail on the headism we are in a space that is difficult to contain sound in. i have been to the venue on many occasion and did want to clarify that the conversations that is the one i had about sound and levels did happen prior to me entering the residence of the complainant of the first time. being able to

directly in contact with the complainant does open up avenues for further investigation. at this point i have been able to establish inside his dwelling but have yet to be able to follow up during an event. i think the route that you suggested is definitely something to consider. like you had mentioned, the -we have a small space with no roof and short walls and we have a whole lot of buildings in that neighborhood that all most incompass fully the venue itself so they all most act as-they are playing a game with the sound coming out of that venue and it shoots

around the neighborhood. you can walk in front of the entrance and not hear a whole lot, but you go down a block or two and you can hear reflections off other buildings sometimes. the sound does tricky things. by the time you get out and hear something and say this is a little loud, by the time you get back to the dj and say to turn it down, the song changed, so it is a very tricky endeavor. i think it requires thinking outside the box and i think there is a lot of variation in the venue itself so maybe we remove and focus on the resident. >> alright. commissioners any other thoughts before i open up for public comment? nope. let's open up for

public comment. any public comment on phoenix hotel and chambers? would you come on up? you can hand that to our staff and then just go ahead and come up to the microphone, introduce yourself and you have two minutes. >> my name is steve himeerly >> can you prop that up closer to your mouth? >> okay. now that i heard what is said so far i will throw out my notes. my name is steve himeerly and live at 640 polk street so live on the same block as the phoenix but the western entd. i lived there for 16 years so experienced a lot of phoenix events. the worst used to be new years eve when at one a.m. my windows were rattling. not kidding. i had a lot of experience and over time i internalized a response to this. not only to receiving

information about upcoming events, seeing it on the facebook page or whatever, but as soon as i hear something in that direction, my mood changes and i leave. that's my internalized response over time. i work in fundraising for a non profit and have for 20 years. my job is stressful, so my weekends are really pressure. i'm a artist and photographer and do family research so sundays are a sweet time for me. now i can't function in a way that allows me to do that when anything is going on at the phoenix. it doesn't matter what type of music, it can be moody or thrumping so when i'm aware of something happening or coming

up, i just am not in my apartment. given what i else i heard what i wanted to mention though is that out my kitchen window, i can see over the roof of the phoenix, it is probably 60, 70 feet away and can see a little into the courtyard. i can stand in my kitchen at the sink or at the counter and work on a project or sit on at my computer and the base hits my feet and throughout my chair. i'm 70 feet up in the air on the 6th floor. >> your time is actually up. >> okay. bye bye. >> any other public comment on this? alright, i don't see any. the matters is now with the commission. commissioners, there are two

-there is one permit in front of us and the director also asked for direction how to handle future permit applications like this. what do you guys think? >> it seems like we have a number of things that we could do to try and address this and come up with something that will help mrs. himeerly's ability to stay in his apartment on weekends. while continuing to move forward with these permits. i like us to look at the additional conditions. i think the suggestion of trying to make physical changes to the windows and

sound proofing if that is something that he would be interested in would be one step to put more physical barrier between him and the sound since the permit applicant indicated she was willing to do that. i wonder if that is something that mr. himeerly is also willing to investigate whether putting in mew windows, double pane windows and sound curtains may be a option. >> he isn't on the record. if you want to ask him a question he needs to come back to the micro phone. >> it sound like a number of things have been tried on the chambers but we don't-and we know that

inspector burke wants to figure if we can do measurements in your unit while an event is going on so we can figure what the base measure is there to try and mitigate that. and then the question of potentially putting in double paneed windows or making other modifications to your unit, is that something that you think might help mitigate the sound issues you are having? >> um, i do have double paneed windows now. i think that's less the issue than the basis frankly. the inspector and i have been interacting when events are coming up. we interacted over memorial day. there were two events on memorial day and interacted how is the this feeling and is this a good one to test and decide not to. we will find one, because i do think that is

important measurement to take because the base is the weird element in this i think. >> base is very hard to contain so think that is not a unique problem, that is just sound and mechan recollects mechanics of it. there are other ideas we can explore. i think commissioner lee had a question. >> so basically is the base that is bothering you and you seem to be close to had roof line which a lot of the music travels and it is a very difficult thing to put on a roof to hold in space. was there any time with the inspector when he adjusted the base it was okay or is it something that you finally gave up and-it sounds like you want to work with them or is it something you are just think

there is double pane windows. we can adjust the base or position it and work with you but i'm just saying is this something you still-let me tell you, there is a long history there. >> i understand. >> i know these owners with their other businesses and they are very responsible and honest people so think they are here to reach out and work with you and just want to know if the double paneope toon the measurements and can do the best they can to mitigate this problem so you won't be disturbed. i know it is a couple of your pressure sundays but we can always shorten the time, we can do a lot of things but want to see where you are at being in that community for 16 years. work wg with a new owner that has been there 5 years so just want to hear from that.

>> um, i'll respond three ways. i am totally open to the inspector coming to my apartment and measuring when an event is going on because i think that is critical. one thing i must say during my 16 years of living there, this is the first time anybody has reached out to me to say i want to know what is going on in your apartment and never happened before so that is part of my mentality around this. it has [inaudible] implacable like nothing, nothing nothing. we have the double pane windows already. the main thing is for somebody to feel the base and then to address it from there i think. when my windows are closed i can still hear the mid and high range and

becomes a blnded noise for the dj that is always like barking and i do think like the federal building i think has something to do with because it is just giant reflective wall. >> it does bounce back right at you. >> i moved two years ago from the third floor to 6th floor and between me and the phoenix like part of my kitchen is here, my living space is here, between this part of my apartment and the phoenix is the entire apartment building of 665 eddy street, so i have no idea what they experience, but i thought that moving up and having that shield would make a difference but it hasn't. the high mid-range is

different. the base stuns me. >> i just learned today sound does want dissipate until you hit 8 stories or 80 feet above. >> that is interesting. >> i'm in there. >> you are in that zone. most of san francisco is in that zone. we understand. i think other questions for --nope? why don't and have a seat again. >> thauchck. thank you. >> like i said this permit at hand which i believe is this sunday, so i think they are probably people expecting this event to happen but there is a longer term issue to too so i'm inclined to go ahead with the permit this sunday but provide clear guidelines for our staff about how to address this. it sound like there will be up to 15 or 16 permits a

year that the phoenix will be applying for, so-- >> how many more permits are they asking for after this one? >> do we have any in the queue? >> there is none in the queue that i know of but asking the same question i got the answer of 7 i think and they can confirm possibly additional one in december so maybe 8. >> isabel can you verify that? >> i wrote that down but may be wrong. >> hi, so for the rest of the summer we have this particular month, july is the month where we have two back to back event u one sunday and 31 is one. we did pass that information to the groups. then we have two

scheduled for august, two scheduled for september, one in october. i did look at the calendar this morning and saw there is a wedding in october, i don't go if that has outdoor sound. it isn't on my radar and have a big corporate event in december that is a hotel buy out that will likely have sound component because it is a big event. >> that is 7? >> 7 left. >> this is 8 total? >> yes. >> all these events have some kind of dancing component to it? >> uh-huh. yes. >> not just fashion show and we are done. >> no, there is fashion show and art and dancing and grill. >> have you made physical improvements to the hotel itself? i think there are sound walls that people build

and other-i don't know how you contain the speakers not just the direction they are pointed but any attempts to improve the actual physical structure to try to contain sound? >> well, not as far as- i'm not sure how we can do that because we are in the courtyard with hotel on one side and the restaurant on the other. i don't know how we can put any sort of sound barriers there. we certainly put a lot of improvements into the interiors of both but if you have suggestions for something like that would love to hear it. >> okay, that is-got the answer i needed. you can have a seat now. >> thank you. >> you want to speak into the

the mic? okay. let's do two things, let's act on this one permit so we know if that is happening or not and then-i think we don't necessarily have to come up with all the solutions now. i think it sound like the inspector will try to coo a sound test during an event. we can try to get levels of dba, b and c and try to figure out then what are other technologies and what not we can use to help mitigate that. i did want realize that the window is double paneed but there are triple paneed windows maybe that is a answer. i think it is a ongoing thing the staff attended to but if we have specific ideas or cap the number of event or cap the hours that would be helpful for staff. if you have thoughts

about that tonight, great. we can also come back and give instruction later. so, questions. >> the permit for tonight is it for the 24 and 31? >> just the 24th. >> just the 24th. >> but then we have to deal with the 31. >> i'm inclined to approve the 24th on the condition that we work with the neighbor to do the sound check to see exactly what is the minimum tolerance and the thing is, obviously we have a standard, but if it falls below the standard where it really disturbs him we have to think about the next one. we can grant the permit as is but the condition is-before we get the

next one coming up to determine what level-at this point we don't know what level to set the condition if we condition this. right? sean, we dont have really any written down-it seems like it is a bass issue or at least high up, he will hear the mid-range and highs anyway, but we will probably have to get opinion from the inspector to- >> right. >> where we will be. how can we condition like the amount of sound at this point? >> cant they do a sound test before it happens? >> i'm pretty sure it is probably a special event where they bring in their own. if it is in-house you can, but if it is a buy out and they bring their own or-i don't know the application-does it say it is their own system?

>> inspector do you know if it is thane own in-house system or do the performers bring them? >> i do not. i think maybe isabel can speak to that. >> isabel, can you come back up? if you sit down maybe stay in the front row. >> there have been event where the promoters or dj's want to bring in a sound system. that hasn't happened most recently, it is just what we have in-house. >> are they fixed in the place or- >> no we have to bring them out and set them up each time >> it sour system then? >> yes. >> to answer your question they can do it. >> they have their own [inaudible] that can help. they are attached to that. so, commissioners i understand i think we all seems like there is probably consensus getting the sound test done during performance. i would

advise conditioning that before this next event because it would probably have to take place during this event rather than before since there is no event before that. and then i think we should on advisement i don't know conditions but guidelines to staff how to handle the rest of it. can someone make a motion, please? >> i motion to approve the permit based on sound check at the current level with our inspector so we know and also work with the neighbor to know exactly what the problem is. before we go to the next permit so at this point it is my motion. >> so, the motion is to approve with a sound check on the 24th?

>> well,- >> assuming that >> if commissioner perez wants to do it a couple days earlier. 24th is fine. >> on the 24ict, hopefully that is available to you. >> the neighbor would have to be available. sometimeatize is hard to get people together. >> okay. the motion is approved with a sound check on the 24th and for future to maintain the ambient level or what is allowed for by law. it is 8 decibels. >> that will be the max but then he may not be able to go to the max dependent on what is happening in the neighbors apartment and thereat that can be a problem on the next one. >> the motion is approve on the condition that there is a sound test done on the 24 th and that

ambient level is set during event times and i know there is other explanations but thereat is the motion, is that correct? is there a second? >> second. >> motion and second. do you have a comment? >> i ask if a amendment can be made-the applicant said they asked for the permit until 7, but they generally ended at 6. i think that is great, but i like if at all possible that we could end at 6. if they do need a few minutes to have like a soft shut down maybe we do until 610 and give 10 minutes. >> that sounds reasonable to me. commissioner lee is that fine? >> i accept that friendly amendment. >> commissioner thomas is that okay? >> yes >> let's take a vote.

>> on the amended motion, commissioner perez, aye. commissioner thomas, aye. commissioner caminong, aye. >> the motion passes. there is still more work to be done so we'll check back in during the commission meeting our outside with our staff. let's move to we have 4 more permits tonight so move to the next one. emporium sf. >> our first permit application is a place of entertainment mechanical amusement devise and billiard porler permits. this is located at 616 6 divisadero. this will be a

combination of cla classic arcade and live event. they have 25 [inaudible] 10 pen ball machines, [inaudible] as well as live music and film screening. in your file you see letters of support from the neighborhood including a letter from their next door neighbor, the independent as well as the north of pan handle neighborhood association. i haven't receivered any opposition for the permit applications. northern station approves with the good neighbor as a condition and the owners brothers doug and danny marks are here to tell more about it. >> i see connor johnson from supervisor breeds office. you are welcome to speak first. we will have the brothers come up. maggie can help you

out. i don't think that works so you have to talk into the other one. >> good evening. danny marks. my brother doug. we own emporium and have two locations in chicago and as the announcement said before we started, it is a combination of classic arcade, live event venue, tavern, among other things. there it is. so, a little history, we opened first location in 2012, emporium wicker park. we -the pictures are a little small. if you would like to see them later we

can e-mail the packet. we opened the second location in 2014 in logan neighborhood. they have a similar neighborhood in the neighborhood we are proposing to move in san francisco. we focus on games such as classic arcade like pack man, donkey cong , pool tables, fooz ball, air hockey communal games. it is a social environment. you can see we have a large screen. one location we do film screenings to presentations to even independent game event and that type of thing. more pictures of different games. we have a progressive beverage program and work with local and regional brewerys and distilleries and try to get

those organizations involved with our events and they are already very involved in the communities so usually a good partnership. live event venue. we offer live music to charity fundraisers and everything between. work with local artist and commissioned murals on all our walls. that is something we hope to do here. it is all very community driven and you know, it is usually a good thing. we work with groups. our food program usually consists of more of a food partnership. in the upper right we have a food truck permit in one location where we bring local restaurant that do a pop up thing every weekend . we also have a byof policy the local restaurants love because we are not in competition with

them. good reviews on line. emporium san francisco started when jack [inaudible] covered by the subtitles, life long friend of my from chicago and lived in san francisco for 10 years with wife brook and came to chicago and saw our business and thought it would be great in san francisco. we found the hearting theater and fell in love with the space and neighborhood and did research and learned the neighbor had sort of [inaudible] there had bine a lot of back and forth about the future of the space over the last several years. it was saved from demolition several times due to preservation type movement so the first thing we did is met with the neighborhood groups last may went to the square groop and september in north of panhandle

group and try to maintain contact and received feed pm back how to taylor our concept well for thir community. we have been continuely wanting to work with these groups and make sure what we do is what we want to do but also what they want us to do. we have been in contact with supervisor breeds office and everyone is very supportive. we signed our lease in november and had the cup hearing in november. the plans for the space are restore to the preserve as much hof of the architectural detail as possible which is all most all of it and restore to former glory. so, our plans for the space obviously we understand that --there isn't much left. the plans for the space we take our

operations seriously. all the servers and staff are certificated and understand there is similar certifications for alcohol servers and manager servers here in california and san francisco and we are very strict about enforcing those. the security plans as well, you know good-we have full surveillance cameras throughout our properties. good exterior lighting. lead training of the security personnel on site and you know, we want to make sure that all good neighbor policies we take that very seriously and it we haven't had issues in our current communities. this is sort of a hard to read but the floor plan the space. a lot of games. you can kind of see we have games throughout and the stage and restore the original stage and bar and

we have a-good bal cuany space for private events. it is a great community, the divisadero corridor changed but great community. we see ourselves as a destination spot which should bring a lot of new people to the neighborhood that can patronize the businesses and hope to be a good neighbor in that regard as well. that is pretty much it. i'm sure there are questions and sure the noise issue will come up. we have not done sound proofing as of yet. the building was designed to be a entertainment space so has thick concrete wall squz acousticly designed as all buildings were back in the days before high tech sound systems where

the sound had to do well within the space so we are hoping we can utilize the natural original build of the space and not have to use excessive amplification but because we are still in the construction phase we will work closely with sound contractors to make sure as we go we design the system to hopefully meet and be good for the community and neighbors. thank you. >> thank you. this is a really exciting. i think we have seen it for a long time i wonder what will go in so glad you have come from out of state. one question about there floor plan, is it flexible or i'm just trying to imagine when you have live acts are you setting it up a different way or will the pool tables be there? >> the pool table thrz there is a pool table dolly which is a exciting thing to move a pool table with one hand but

try to keep the spacing flexible. the way it is set up now the floor has a slope to it and when we went to planning they were very concerned we maintain the original so we will build 3 platforms on the main auditorium space and bal cuny so we have flat spaces to put the games on. so, this space of the games are movable but think we are building in a way-the idea it isn't just like a normal concert venue where you stand at a band, you play pool or play games while you watch a bands so you get a little of everything. it is fully interactive experience. it isn't you are standing with the person you came with and interact with the person. there isn't nightly live events. it will probably be i would say one to 3 our 4

days a week we have an event and that will ebb and flow defendant depend on th e bookings we get. we like to the capability to bring in different types of entertainment and you know- local entertainers >> judging by your history in other cities what type of acts do you bring in? what motivated me is thinking about are you creating another independent like right next door or are we really adding a different type of venue there? are you talking about you said it is one to 4 nights a week, but are we thinking acts that are touring throughout the country or local? >> it is range of stuff. it

isn't another independent and won't be rock bands 6 nights a week. my guess is we will have rock bands 3 nights a month, 4 nights a month but one night it is a rock band and another a game tournament and one night a movie thing, probably dj's on the weekend, but that isn't like dance clug dj's it is more ambient music. it is more we have the classic gamesland to a little bit of 80's 90's thing so that is sometimes mixed it but popular music and rock music and mix of stuff but it is not hard core dance club music and it won't be a nightly rap venue either. we do do rock bands but because we have this

entertainment component we are at libty to not drive our business just through live music, which a lot of live venues if there isn't a live band-we have a draw and can be more choosy with our programs. >> i is a few more questions but will open up to other commissioners. >> it sounds like you control all activities. you hire a dj and your security. >> we do a mix of things, we work with promoters and oretd groups that want to put on events at our space. other grumes are bringing in our booking our space and do rentals on occasion if that works and have a big group with a big space. >> do you provide your own sound system that is adjusted to your space? >> yes >> that would have to use your system.

>> what we do is have a base house system anyone can use if groups want to come in and supplement that they can. >> i think once the inspector sets the level if you go over it you will have neighborhood issues i'm sure. >> absolutely. we want to be mindful of that and hopefully we'll be able to do significant testing before we start that can set our ceiling. at our current space we have a pretty good sym there so don't want others coming in and using their systems. it isn't an auditorium or arena where people need 250 bring in a system >> it is dependent on the band. sometimes they want certain equipment and if they don't do it you dont get the band and sometimes people overlook that part of it.

>> i guess what i'll say is we'll work within the ordinances and whatever the regulations are. >> other questions, commissioners? >> when are you scheduled to launch? >> there is always delays but right now we were hoping for mid-to late fall. now we are probably looking at early 2017, february is what we are targeting now. >> can you tell us about your community outreach? it sound like you started with people that were trying to preserve the build{have letters of support but have you come across any opposition? >> not really. we have been to the the alamo square neighborhood association, north of panhandle neighborhood association a couple times. we have been in contact, there is divisadero merchant association which seems on a

temporary hiatus, but there is a big e-mail list so have been reaching out from there and letters of support from a few people in that group and try to stay in touch as much as possible. people have been pretty supportive and encouraging for the most part. there is some discussion people were hoping we could possibly do in under 21 certain hours which we are trying to figure if the is a way to do that. that is really the only push back is 21 plus venue may not be what everyone wants. obviously you will never bow able to do what everyone wants but we are open to something like that. the only issue with that to do the type of-we need to be a restaurant or bar and if we are a rest raupt we need to make modifications to allow a kitchen and also we lose that sim

beoses. we can't allow under 21 people unless we are a restaurant and if we are a restaurant we have to really boo a restaurant. we are open to further exploring >> there are a couple large residential developments coming up behind you and next door and down the block and we are doing our best to insure those properties and future residents don't complain about the crowds you will bring. having not been open and opating we don't know the impact so put something on your radar to not just reach out to folks there now but notify and be friendly to the residents that will be coming in. it is looking like the commissioners have more questions so will open tupe public comment and ask connor johnson to come up. you guys can have a seat. >> president and good evening.

connor johnson board stooch to london breed. the harding theateer sits in district 5. i didn't prepare a speech but was going barrow remarks michele obama made a few years ago. had to jump on that while it was still re relevant. thrfs a meets at the board of supervisors going oon down stair so great to be here. when supervisor breed first ran for supervisor back in 2012, this is one thing that important to her is achieve the activation and preservation of the hardings theater. for those that are not familiar with the buildings t is a beautiful buildings, previously a theater and church and sat and riddleed with graffiti for over a decade. it is a source of

[inaudible] disagreements and it was important to her tomake sure it was activated in a way that brought the community together and preserved that beautiful building and think we achieved that and thatd is in no small part thank thooz the alamo square neighborhood association represented here this evening and north of pan pm handle. i want to thank all those people. if we also didn't take credit i want to point out thisalcy probably wouldn't be possible without our office and your commission and staff center done over the last couple years. in twnt 14 working with director jauslen and former staff who is here, we passed legislation reforming the 30 year old ban on arcades in san francisco and your commission and staff was a ininstrumental part of making that happen. as a result [inaudible] in the

upper haight has been able to keep the pen ball machines and leagues and brew cade my personal favorite bar in the upper market has been able to open and be successful. they have wine slurpys that are delicious. i degress. in twnt 14 2015 we passed legislation to protect night life zenues like the independent. that was the first in the country and our office and your commission and community did that together. the success we are seeing has a lot of parents. the community is huge part of making this happen. the folks from chicago are great partners and really receptive and responsive to the community and work we have done inside the building legislate ivly helped lay the ground work. the winner is dh community because we will have a beautiful building activated so thank

you and look forward to your support. >> thank you very much. michele. any public comment? we will open for public comment now. please come on up. not sure if it is one or more than one you can start sending up two. >> my nime is mark [inaudible] actually the architect work wg dan and doug as well as the owners of the building and the architect for new construction on the [inaudible] which is a new 5 story 7 unit condo building a long time in the making and restoration thof harding. i did want to say we are taking extreme consideration and working [inaudible] for sound proofing of the condo minium and working with legislation in place to make sure future resident there are well served with sound insulation and being

aware of the venue that is knhing in at the harding as well as other venues on the streets. other than that it is a project that i have been working on since 2003 so very eager to see this come to fruition. we started restoration of certain asspects of the building and forth coming with permits for the improvements for the future emporium sf. thank you and hope you support the project. >> any other public comment on this? >> good evening, commissioners. [inaudible] i'm a consultant but not to this projeblth. as i sat and watched a building here that is vacant for 10 years, it does take a special owner operator to invest financially to pult into the space. i was thrill today watch the presentation baz as

the speaker was speaking he talked about a lot of community based things we represent in the city and being born and raised here, these guys get it. maybe chicago is showning us on knowing how. i think by supporting them, we will fix the building up, bring energy to it and vibeeracy to the area. it is just what we need. i wish them the best of luck in the process because it does take time, but the lights will go on. >> great, any other public comment? going once, going twice. public comment is closed. actually, i don't know if the please had comments on this? we see there is no objection based on the permit inspection. there is only one condition that they submit a security plan and adheres to

the good neighbor policy. are you familiar with our good neighbor and received the document? >> [inaudible] >> there is i believe 12 conditions that all apply to your permit so make sure to see that. alright commissioners, would someone like to the make a motion? >> i would like to make a motion to approve with the stated conditions. >> alright. motion and second. let's take a vote. i will ask same house same call. thank you. >> no opposition, the motion passes. we will move to the third permit tonight, which is the riptide. >> alright commissioners, this permit application is for place of entertainment for riptide at 3639

taraval. had lave music for the last 12 years and coming into compliance and entered a fire last year and they have been rebuilding their business since then and have come to our office for this place of entertainment permit. they will be continuing entertainment. they host small local bands, they will have karaoke, occasional dj's and more. for background on june 23 the riptide appeared before the manning commission and motion 19677 which we'll see in the file which adopted. in the motion it is poncht pornts to note the planning commission limited hours of operation to end at 1230:30 a.m. sunday through wednesday and 2 a.m. thursdays through saturday. the planning commission is directing the entertainment commission to consider this evening

requiring sound atinuation measures as second internal door, additional sound curtain, sound scramblers and sound atinuation as deemed necessary. the owners can speak to this as they have already begun these measures i believe. please note the riptide received substantial community support. i included a sampling of dozens support letters and many sig xhrs of support of the business from immediate neighbors and supporters of the business itself including a letter from supervisor katy tangs auchs. you will see 6 letters from neighbors and supporting documents in protest of this permit this evening. taraval station approves the application with recommendation that the entertainment commission consider further limited sunday through wednesday to end at 11 p.m.

opposed to 12:30 a.m. stop the planning commission recommendation. they recommended there is no bingo allowed but ininstructed the owners bingo isn't in the purview of the permit and ininstructed how to ply for the permits through pd. the final recommendation is exterior cameras. we have the owners david quinby and lesley mobley. >> hello, the other mic. >> good evening, thank you for your time. david quinnby, this is lesley mobley, we have been business partners just over 20 years, 12 years at

the riptide and here to ask for your support of the recent planning department decision to grant the riptide an entertainment permit. we opened in 2003 and at that point we immediately resumed entertainment as had every incarnation before us since the late 1940's. so, we resumed the music 2003 and mainly also like movies, open mic, blue grass, about a 750 square foot space. use today be a bate shop so it is a small space. maggie mentioned the fire, we had a fire august 18, 2017 2015 and just about to reopen. two great things that came from the fire, one was community support . incredible outreach we have been

able to speak with everyone and 99 percent positive. 20 venues put on benefit concerts for us which blew our mind and it changed our lives to see that kind of support. 20 different shows and different venues. great american [inaudible] all the different places. we never as far as supervisorss we have been there 12 years with fiona [inaudible] carmen chiu and katy tang and there is never a complaint to their office or entertainment as far as i'm aware. taraval station says we average 4 noise complaint per year which they say is extremely low. we are not changing our programming at all. the other thing that came from the fire is we

were able-it was a bait shop with quarter inch pine walls and now we have photographs but rebuilt this- the fire department came just in time and were able to save the studs and stringers, and we were able to unsilation and sheetrock two layers. as far at the security plan we covered all that. we will have dedicated staff [inaudible] sidewalks and supervisor tang and ashly summers and carmen chi u did a huge street improvements and now the whole place is lit up. we have flood lights as well and sign that

illuminates and installing security cameras as soon as the mural is done being fixed or painted. lastly i want to say it is a incredible community support. the sound system is being donated. the piano companies asked us to come to the show room and pick a piano which we find incredible and sf opera a couple people from there are doinating their time to give rose bud curtains like the thickest curtains possible. they are donating those and sewing them for all the doors and windows and behind the bands. we have about a thousand letters of support and 4 or 5 with concerns which we addressed. any other questions-- >> great. i'm excited,

congratulations taking a tragedy and turning into something new. we often talk about entertainment and night life in certain parts the sate so it is nice to see someone from the outer sun set come in and say we need a place to congregate and build community. commissioners, not sure if you have questions, i don't have a whole lot. >> can you explain how-i am reading some of the complaint or protests and can you tell me about how you handle your sound? what would you do at the end of the night when if it time for everyone to go home >> we get people out otabout 145 and have dedicated staff making sure people move along and go hopefully to bikes or walk home. most of the people live around there. most support

letters came from 300 foot radius, so we had over 200 from the 300 foot radius. to answer your question, we will have dedicated staff make sure people move on their way. and also we changed our bottle recycling. used to be around 1230:30 pm and made it noon now. there is a couple across the street who repsychosqul said they will come at noon the following day so thought that would be helpful. >> and it is your own policy but what do you do-there are smokers outside and will smoke outside so in front of your space do you have designated staff for that to sweep up our- >> we have something pretty much

where there is a movie each night of the week, so more laid back nights where it is trivia there is a dedicated member of the staff. anything that the band with-we had bands from all over the world. we are mainly local and regional acts but also over the world ovthe last 12 years. on those nights we heeur guard security people, so just one because our facade is only about 23 feet wide so if they stay in the center they have two [inaudible] you can stand in the middle of the two doors and monitor everything and make sure people keep voices down and that type of thing. and when they finish smoking get back in or move on.

>> alright. >> commissioner thomas. >> so, the police department has recommended no amplifyed sound past 11 p.m. sunday through wednesday which is shorter timeframe, is that acceptable condition for you? >> another thing to continue to do what we are doing, the long history of entertainment i think what the planning commission set forth was fair. >> with 12:30. >> 12:30, sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday to 2 o'clock thursday, friday saturday. >> what the police department recommended is sunday through wednesday 11 p.m. and sticking with 2 a.m. thursday through saturday. >> it sounds like he said that he would like it to not be what the

police- >> 12:30 to 11? >> >> yes. >> to 12. >> 12:30. >> got it. um, commissioners other questions? commissioner frost and then commissioner [inaudible] >> it does say security cameras here. how long do you think you will keep copies of- >> we thought 30 days. 30 to 60 days s. we don't want to run over tapes. probably dvr. we want to keep in case-it was a very high crime area and luckily that turned around. all the businesses used to be shuttered and we were the only light on the block and there are 11 businesses opening around us so that is a beautiful thing that is

happening. so, the crime will go down once everybody opens but think we would keep the recordings at least 2 months, 60 days. >> thank you. >> commissioner prer ez. >> thank you for coming in. i just want to say i was touched on your story about the industry folks helping with your fundsraiser after the fire. very impressive and very cool. i also appreciate you have a lot of letters of support and signatures from the neighbors. there are two letters of complaint or protest, i wonder if you had a chance to reach out to those two particular people? >> we had 3 community meet lgz at the synagogue just about 4 doors up. 46th and taraval. we had 3 community outreach meetings and spoken with all the-both of those people >> you were able to solve the

problem that they have our issues they have? >> it is mainly the main complaint is general bar noise, it isn't the entertainment or the band or all that which will be very taken care of. we have the 5/8 sheet rock so it will be contained in the lock box. >> can you pass the photo's up? >> you can put them in the screen if you want. >> we were able to put installation, r 30, the most resilient and best installation and then a 5/8 sheet rock, a layer of green glue, 5/8s again on all walls and ceiling in the front and the wood panelling that was there which was the only sound reinforcement we are

going back to curtains and sound baffle and what was the other stuff? the echo eliminator, sound panels and had those around the band before and behind the curtains. it was very [inaudible] it will be much more now. >> it appears a lot is around crowd control and whether smokers or people leaving as they exist the bar making sure not to scream and respect the neighbors. >> exactly. >> part of our good neighbor policy is have signs outside saying keep it quitet. . we have always had those and will have them a little bigger this time so people can see them. >> great. other questions? >> just make sure that the people that are concerned about the noise that they have a phone number that they

can call that will be answered. >> absolutely. we have a land line at the bar any time they can call and talk to us, but they can also contact us on a separate cell phone like during the day or whatever and leave a message and we'll get back to them so we will always be in contact. we see them every day. we are there working every day. we have been talking to them since 2001 so a lot of good contact. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> when did you say you are planning to open, august? >> about 10 days. we are letting the varnish dry on the bar, so we will open without the piano and sound system because people are wanting to [inaudible] it is a community hub gathering place so we will start events as soon as we get the sound equipment.

>> great. why don't you have a seat. i think we are good with you. any police that would like to comment on this? >> i'm the officer with taraval station. the original when we originally-this started with them not having a entertainment permit from day one which they explained to me that they thought they were grandfathered in so that is mute point because the fire changed everything on that. the first meeting we had was set up by the opposition that wanted to talk and invited mr. quinby to the synagogue and i went to the meeting. there was a lot of support for the bars and concerns within the neighborhood about

noise, about the sound and so on and so forth. so, we came to a conclusion that sunday through monday we have some kind of a work a deal out where the music doesn't go too late. on june 15, i sent the entertainment commission my recommendation and that recommendation was actually no amplifyed sound after 10 o'clock. that would be sunday through wednesday. i received a call that afternoon from mr. quinby on the cell phone and said 10 o'clock is hard for us, can you just to 11 o'clock and i can said absolutely, that sounds fair to me. i don't think the neighbors will mind and agreed on the 11 o'clock. i said, i think that is fair. that is

what we recommended and then i resent my recommendation last week stating the 11 o'clock. that is something i had to put in to know this was not going to happen because they didn't have a license for bingo and that was something they have to work on down the road and the security cameras we ask pretty much everybody for those now. that 11 o'clock was basically kind of a compromise for the neighbors and the bar and we kind of thought and i thought that was a fair deal and mr. quinby at the time when we talked about it said he thought it was fair. whether things are changing or whether the planning commission said that is up to you. whatever. other than that, i will say when the planning commission asked for our recommendation i told them we don't give recommendations because that isn't something we

get involved in but asks for statistics in the last 2 years for calls for service and they had been closed for half a year but in the last year and a half they had 14 noise complaints to the riptide bar and then it was a couple-there was one a robbery but that was something outside the bar so we can't say that happened and it was a patron the bar. there were a couple calls for crazy people but that is in this city that is the norm. there is one thing i do have to say though, i understand mr. quinby's part about doing business, but this is not broadway. this is a 3600 block of taraval street. by 10 o'clock at night on a monday, tuesday, wednesday or thursday, it is quiet. in no way do we want to say you can't run your

business but i have to say being born and raised in that neighborhood the sidewalks were up at 9 at night. it is quite out there. the only thing i can say is that there is a lot of new proposed businesses on that block. there is a proposed bar that will be opening across the street from the riptide with no music, it is just a regular bar, but there is a restaurant and a few other things so there is more action going on out there which we understand. our recommendation was what it is. >> great. thank you for the explanation. we have any questions? >> just one comment. the entertainment commission was formed our inspectors did take over the primary responsibility of finding out and keeping people in compliance, but if

you can ask the officers at your station that when they do go to bars orwhatever to check the permits and let our gis know if there is somebody out ofidate with their permit because if there are 14 call squz the police department had been there that many times i am hoping someone would have checked for a entertainment permit. our big thing here is get people in compliance and can only do that with your help. >> i agree, i don't work at night so i'm not out there but if i get a complaint i go to the bar and find out if they have the proper-i know the commission was formed in 2003 so sure there are other places that are in the same situation and we want to know about them too and thereat is thing. we rely in the sense of complaints of

the neighbors and act on that. i try and do as much as i can to do that. >> thank you, appreciate it. i will open for public comment. can i see a raise of hands to talk about the riptide? how many for and against? so, let's do this as quickly as possible. you don't have to fill out a speaker card but please speak state your name and statement. i will limit public comment to 1 minute at a time so please say your comments in that one minute. we can get a line forming on either side of the room and we'll just alternate. i will ask our former staff mrs. blackstone to kick it off. >> i raised my hand. hello. thank you

very much. i am candy blackstone, sun set district resident and this is my neighborhood bar. i appreciate what officer fall ono said. i will say that the riptide has put in a lot of sound proofing and it is untested at this point. it shouldn't matter once the inspectors have done sound test. how late it goes as long as you can't hear it from outside. i ask you give a shot and see how it goes. i want to let you know san francisco we are hearing is losing music venues, we don't have any really in the sunset. there are tons of development happening there, there is new apartments going up all over the place and these people will want somewhere to go and riptide is a community hub and a place to see live entertainment and it is a great place and think you should go ahead and approve the permit to the

planning commission recommendation. >> thank you. if you heard the first tone and bell that means you have 30 more seconds. why don't we take this side and alternate. >> good evening. thank you for letting me speak. marry [inaudible] and i'm a life long sunset resident so things that effect the sunset effect me. i'm completely in agreement with the owners who i find have great integrity and have done substantial work to try and handle the noise in the bar such as it is. i have to talk about the gambleing when you talked about bingo. some refer to it as noisy gambleing. it is one woman with a microphone and probably the only noise you will hear is bingo. if someone calls it gamble ing it is not and no money is exchanged. i want to reiterate

the community support and the fact it is a great place and myself and scores of others capt wait for it to reopen. thank you. >> thank you. >> my name is james nob snob and i have been a resident in san francisco for the past 11 years. lived at 29th and taraval and going to the riptide and hearing the country music shows there inspired me to become part of the country and fwlu rr grass scene here. i'm a professional sound engineer and the type of music they have isn't loud music, it is quite. i'm sure the decibel level is very very low and just hope to see-i want to reiterate what the lady said before me about we are losing really important venues

and need to fight to keep the riptide open and i hope they can stay have music late to 12 or 12:30 or i urge you to consider that request and just want to give the riptide the best of luck. >> thank you. you want to come up? >> my name is [inaudible] i reside at 36 26 taraval in san francisco. i pray this committee be leaders and not follows. there is a conflict of interest having held positions of this committee and offering advise to the riptide mrs. tammy blackstone, the omitted-omissions. there is lying in

two ways. omission and lying. to this committee since opening in 04, the riptide has caused disturbances of sleep, use of housing, illegal use of riptide premise. patrons said of riptide, urinating defecating [inaudible] >> sir, your time is up. i apologize. thank you. >> my name is mitch [inaudible] i am the [inaudible] professional musician since 1999. we are gathered at a important time of the neighborhood. treasure that is the riptide but a important type of direction of san francisco itself. we have a phoenix

situation. a rebuilding which is san francisco tradition and staying true to create a city that inivist and create fertile ground and individualality and a world cultural stage thmpt riptide is small representation of the big picture of old san francisco. a place of gathering that welcomes all folks. provides stable ground for quality entertainment t is more than just a bar t is a feeling of home for many folks because home is who you surrounds with as much as a building. [inaudible] entire staff of the riptide understand this and are lucky to have them in san francisco. the positive community oriented intentions and goals are clear. we are confronted with a shit in the shift in the sate and urge they have live music to 12:30 and [inaudible] >> thank you very much. good

evening, melissa ruben. i live across there street slightly east of the riptide. other than the sound leakage and actions of patrons the entertainment draw as younger and more disruptive crowd and know living in such close proximity and prefer those entertain ment and [inaudible] ended by 11 p.m. i tried to speak about cutting back entertainment hours in the past and told they would comply with the law whatever that may be. i have talked to taraval station in the past back in march of 2015 regarding the riptide and whether they did have a permit for entertainment and other issues that we were having with them regarding sound and noise and patron issues and i was told they would check into it

but were good guys and the police work it out with them which i have done over 8 years. prior to the fire started to file complaint with abc against them. >> your time is up. thank you. >> jose [inaudible] run the [inaudible] tracks the honky-tonk and western swing in the bay area and have been at there riptide many times and wanted to talk about what goes on outside the riptide that i think is very important for success of this bar to be there. i had the misfortune to go there looking for a restroom and there is one at theened of tear victim in the 90's, when i found it was closed suroupded by garbage. i made my way to the sand bar to get a beer from very shaky

beady eyed people and used the restroom and get out as quickly as i can. what is happened since it has taken over the restrooms is open and got the garbage cleaned up. street festivals and culture happened out there. it is a great blessing to it outer sunset and hope the commissioners will continue to let it happen 6789 >> thank you. the second bell means times up. >> okay. hello, my name is janet [inaudible] live a couple doors down from the riptide. thank you for allowing me to address the commission. i have taken a $250 cut in pay today to attend this meeting so it is important to me. i have a letter i would like toprint to you which out lines the things i think the entertainment commission should know before making any decisions. in twnt 03 i

contacted abc regarding the opening of the riptide and were give anisette of rules they needed to abide by. not only have they ignoreed the rules but outright disrespeptful to the residents of the neighborhood. any time any spoke to david quinby he would change the subject or give the run aroun. he acts if he is above the law and can kooas he pleases. he gave the neighbors a one day [inaudible] post thd wrong day on the flier he distributed. >> your time is up, but you can hand the letter and we can read the rest. thank you. >> i wasn't planning to speak but thought i would. my name is daria, [inaudible] lived in the outer sunset for the last few years. i have

been going to riptide for quite a few years and seems like a responsible professional type of crowd i hang out with there and my daughter who is 22 is in a band, she also lives out in the outer sunset and has been hanging out. i feel when they went to ocean beach i feel it is better and safer to geto the riptide and think it is a nice [inaudible] nice people and not really like wild party people, they are kind of responsible and she has grown up in san francisco and think it is a great place. >> thank you. thank you for being under time. >> danny [inaudible] a dedicated staff member that can make it here today. i worked in the saturday, sunday nights where there was live music. i was the one who cut them off exactly at

midnight, and 10:30 with [inaudible] i sweep up the cigarette butts. i want to touch base about monday and tuesday where we have monday open mic and tuesday karaoke. karaoke doesn't get started until 10:30. cutting off amplifyed sounds at 11 o'clock would be detrimental to tuesday night business as well as monday night, same thing with open micism we have sign ups about 8:30. about 20 people sign up in a minute. we have singer song writer until midnight. i hope we can get to 12:30 for those. that will be huge. >> thank you. any other public comment on riptide application? i don't see

any so public comment is closed. we have seen the police commission and heard from the public. is there a motion that anyone would like to make? >> what is on the table right now? they say 12:30 is what they are looking for now? >> the planning commission had approved up to 12:30 sunday-wednesday. the police department sound like the history they talked about stopping at 10 p.m. and after discussing with the applicant agreed on 11 p.m. though the applicant today says they would like to 12:30 a.m. on week days sunday to wednesday. we could do sort of like a sort-we could do a condition that could

be temporary where for 6 month period of time we do until 11 and thensuming all goes well our staff we can entitle the staff to list that and let it be 12:30. that is one option. >> so, the planning departments recommendation is unusual. want to tell the neighbors that the extensive remodeling on the inside for sound probably will keep everything in. i know your concerns are probably outside. we have to give it a shot and i think with the good neighbor policy i like to add we put a condition on here that the-they sweep the front and keeping their area clean and also their security to get everybody for loitering around when it is time to go