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9-7-16 police commission city of san francisco

and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> commission i would like to

call roll. >> please do sergeant. >> president? >> here. >> vice president. >> here. >> marshall. >> present. >> de-jesus. >> here. >> mezuko. >> present. >> wong. >> present. >> malara. >> present. >> you have a quorum with us tonight is the interrum chief of police tony chaplain and mr. hicks. >> good evening welcome everyone to the september 7th. 2016 police commission meeting we have been chris crossing the city doing a lot of committee meetings for the chief search we have a long ogeneral da i welcome all of you and watching at home. we have rules available here and the on the website i

need everyone's cooperation because given the length of the agenda public comment will be two minutes today. we will do agenda clean up to start off with. the agendas are over there if you don't have one. we will start off with chief chaplain item 1a on your report we will have to put over because of the deputy cheap you are going to present is that correct? >> that is correct. >> and mr. police patrol samuel raise we need further investigation so we're putting that over. >> that is correct. >> on the closed session calendar item c a disciplinary matter that is put over. is that correct. >> that is correct. >> those retire changes to the agenda with that sergeant call

the first line item. >> discussion 1a chief's report this item is to allow the chief of police to report on police activities and make announcements. >> good evening chief. >> good evening. i will start with our violent crime been in the headlines nationwide lately san francisco, we have not seen surges like other municip municipalities. in 2015 we had 96 small up tick by there. firearm for 2016 the total we have 126. last year we had 119 violent crimes is down 15 fers. robberies down 17% here today. firearm seize 667. over the summer months we seized a few

hundred firearms close to half this summer. burglaries are down 18%. from july of 2015 to 2016 we had a 30% drop overall. on the body camera deployment. training station bay view station august 1519132 members were signed for the training for the body worn cameras 112 were trained and issued body cameras between august 29th and september 2nd of 2016 at the ingleside station. none reported with the ingleside station. we had small issue with the mounting brackets with the garments the magnets are not

strong enough. and they're sending stronger magnets to affix to the outer garments. as far as policy issues are concerned we're still doing polly questions overall we have 64 trainers 143 are trained in bay view. 500 remain untrained 20 in ingleside remain untrained that is generally for people on disability and other issues precluding them to be trained. the training schedule in northern station september 2017th 2016. mission is 19th 19th.-twenty-third - and that's the beginning of fleet week just of note. october 27th of twenty-first richmond station and southern october 24th to 28. park following november 1st to

the 4th. and finally of the ten district station that will be central that will be november 14th to 18 that will be followed by tack cal copy sob station bureau and headquarter for the remainder of the year to january of 2017. of note, we had a really good story officer rilely bandy one of our officers foiled an armed robbery in oakland in july 8th, 2016. the suspect was pointing a rifle. he was unarmed approached the subject what he was asking. officer told the suspect to drop the gun. he ran bandy chased him. during the pursuit he

pointed the gun officers arrived at took kcustody of the subject he is honored the second highest honor of valor in the mrpd. the homicide ocured. may 16. williamson was shot on the twenty-second block - a 28 year old san francisco resident was taken into the bay view district and was booked for the murder of in bay view for the murder of mrs. williams. a couple of incidents of note we had an officer critically energid during an arrest of the subject. officer responded to a call of exboyfriend harassing he was

found in the backyard where he resisted the officers and arrested for multiple charges including the threats and injury to the officer he was taken to san francisco general hospital for mental state. she was transported to the san francisco general hospital with swelling to the face right eye possible fracture she also had a broken left little finger buzz is in stable condition and that is kept on body worn camera we will look at that. there is another incident on fi5th on mission on sunday. this is officer on bike patrol on 5th and mission. aal suspect came up behind him on the skateboard he jumped off the skateboard taking a swing striking the officer on the head he got off the bike and tackled

her. several bystanders recorded it on the phone but none came to the officers aid. nearby buses captured the attack. the officer was wearing a bicycle helmet that was cracked that saved him frr injury. the suspect is homeless 20 year old female with no local arrest history. she was found in position of a psychedelic drugs mushrooms special investigation is handing that particular case. the officers continue to do an outstanding job on the burglaries there have been several arrested they're tracking i can't go into detail we're tracking people that are

serial burglars but a lot of arrested and properties recovered. i'm looking at some of these investigations are ongoing i won't go into detail about those but they recovered property from serial burglaries which contributed to the numbers. i will jump to the shootings on 9-3 of 16. shooting occurred 762 follow ton street - involving a shooting. from a housing complex in western grove and involved in a vehicle collision officers arrived and number of vehicles involved front end damage. there appeared to be a bullet hole in the backside window. they avised over police radio they located a shooting victim in western oak.

they had a victim bleeding on the head the second victim was standing next to the first uninjured. they were hanging out in a parked vehicle in a parking lot of the 700 block of fullton street. the victim told officers that the unknown male began shooting at his vehicle he feared for his life and drove his vehicle at high rate of speed to the parking lot which is where the accident occurred. that is under investigation by the gang unit. another shooting on the same day 9-3, 16 of 3:00 p.m. in bay view. no arrested in that one. on the 1100th block of fits gerald numerous shot from an unknown location. on the unit block of

nickels way began response they located a male victim with two gun shot wounds to the lower back. the victim transported to san francisco hospital where they were informed by medical personnel the person suffered two gun shot wounds to the lower back. no suz perspectives located in that one. and bay view officers investigating in that one. 9-4-16 approximately 1:50am on the 100 block of harbor road. male victim exited a bus felt a pain and noticed he had a gun shot room to his lower right leg. he exited the muni 400 line and felt a sharp pain. he did not know who shot him and

refused to answer any more questions they're investigating in that case. last incident of note was 8-29-16. at 6:39 p.m. on the 1700 block of green street a person having a psychotic break down. with shots fired. they were met by wit enss by residents of green street. officers observed subject bleeding from one of his fingers they conducted a sweep they saw multiple firearms in the front room. they observed water coming from the room onto the kitchen floor. which they believe to be bull loet let - bullet holes. they had a safe where more

weapons were located. witnesses said he was acting strange lately. - the subject appeared to be angry officers located mids and well as narcotics they recovered. 57 firearms machine guns multiple ammunition. the subject was transported to sfgh and booked in county jail for multiple firearms and unsafe discharge. investigation team is investigating we had no homicides in the reporting period i have five steps i will leave for commander sullivan's presentation later. that is it. just of note. in the police

academy we have 260 in. 200 first recruit class has 42. they will be graduating on 9-23-16. we also have the 504 sfpd. [inaudible] that concludes my chief report. >> thank you chief. questions for the chief? one question i might have missed it did you give us year to date homicides. student: . >> - 30. >> 30. do you know where we were this time last year? >> 30 here and this time last year we were at 34.

>> okay thank you. sergeant call next line item. >>occ director's report. (this item is to allow the director to report on recent occ activities and make announcements.) c. commission repor reports. >> good evening. >> good evening commissioners. >> i will call for public comment. thank you. >> and members of the public. the occ continues to participate in community out reach in late july attorney manny forts participated on a panel. organized by the bar association. and reported at the last commission meeting 7occ investigators and donna salzar participated in night out at

stations. donna tabled back to school give away. at the community center on august 6th and 13. occ car lo - carlos and candice tabled. the b magic back to school give away at the hunters point side in ginning street at next meeting i plan to present the quarter reports of first and second for 2016 we lodged reports with the police commission for the august 10th meeting. the agenda was extremely full so we will be presenting those reports as the agenda permits next week. additionally, next week i will provide you with the july and august 2016 month loo

statistical reports that concludes my reports . >> any questions for director hicks? no? okay. sergeant call the next line item. >> 1c update on the fuse corp fellow. - commissioners' reports - report on meetings with community and department members regarding qualities in the next chief of police d. commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings (action). >> there is one business item i specifically wanted to update you all on which we talked about at the last meeting which is one of the efforts this commission has undertaken to get more information in particular policy support and looking at areas and things we're supposed to by charter or some rule that already exists be effecting right now. as well as a number

of proactive policies we have. we interviewed terrific candidates from commissioner malara and de-jesus. we have identified a candidate we will bring that individual when everything is completed to the full commission and inproduce this person we're making progress i think the start date will happen some time in october. and there will be an on boarding process for that individual. this is a first for the commission to have that additional staff support that reports directly to the commission so i wanted to give you all that update. and if there aren't any questions we will move into individual commission reports what we have done the past few weeks with regard to the chief search. who wants to start? >> let's see. i attended - participate nondeterminate the mission - community mission

castro neighborhood community meeting. that was very enlightning. the other was the chinatown that was one that i did yesterday with commissioner - with commissioner loftis we did a pride alliance. and i am scheduled to do ingleside tomorrow. i have been called to jury duty. and actually i was ordered to appear tomorrow. if anybody has time. i was the only one that was going to be there. if anyone is available at 11 o'clock otherwise, we will have to reschedule it. then i will meet with commissioners wien and de-jesus. in the late afternoon. and i will do teraval

on monday as well. >> great. commissioner mazuko. >> i attended two community meetings with lara and marshall. we did the community meeting in gordan low in chinatown. great input from the community. it was interesting side note most of what we're hear frg the community we're hearing the same thing from the officers that's a good sign. we did that meeting and we did the meeting myself commissioner loftis and wong did st. community ka thee ral. a lot of folks were present at that meeting we had the youth in our group to facilitate our meeting we heard a lot of the things we heard in chinatown. so it's very helpful. important lie, i went to two district stations each of us divided which stations were

going to talk to the officers i volunteer for central and north stations. i did four line ups. police officers have line ups before a shift where they're advised by the community officers what they need to know. any departmental bulletins they're debriefed on it it's a por mall process i covered every officer that worked in the central station. we went to the swing shift in the morning it was an eye opener because the officers i learned and noticed that the overwhelming majority of officers have less than five years of experience. they're very young. they're interested in motivated the officers after going through to dispel any rumors about the police chief process we explained to them about the process how it works

under both the charter and what we do as a commission how we review the application and everything told to the public we go through this process while the officers were not aware of that we asked how the process answer worked. we received significant input from the officers what they're looking for and the police chief. they have to work for that person. it effects their live as it does the public. we received input from officers about the re- reforms and changes they're making when the officers told me about the concerns for the reforms they're making it's important as commissioner to hear. that they're all willing to make change. they all said we want to make change we have a great job we had canndid conversation about the activity that has an impact. the stupid

things some people do the officers got it they're great. i learned a lot from them. >> thank you. i was going to say dr. joe? >> so i think i had three of the five. first i wanted to thank a couple of groups i want to thank everybody that came out number one i really do, just to come out and you know, spend your time giving us your opinions about the qualities you would like to see in a new chief and i also want to surprise you president, thank the young people from the community safety initiative who helps facilitate three meetings i assumed all of them. they were great. my thing was want tog hear from every single person in the room i kept prompting folks every voice is important. i didn't hear anything that surprised me

because i have heard it before with previous searches. no that was at bay view along with who went to bay view with me. >> did west side together. >> bay view then chinatown. that is the other group i want to thank the interpreters who stepped out of nowhere. that was a great meeting i enjoyed that because they put forth the effort to make that happen and teraval i wanted to thank the public for coming out. >> not tereval. >> well. to me it was. any way we take everything all that everybody said to heart and it will be incorporated like we said thank you.

>> next commissioner? wong? jump in. >> i attended two town hall meetings with the public one at bay view and one at st. marys overall they were good meetings i was disappointed in the fact that i recognize so many of the folks i attended regular commission attendees and public commenters i would have lofed to have seen a broader perspective trum of the two meetings i was at i attended two line ups in park richmond station i had a conversation with the officers there an hour to hour-and-a-half the officers were not shy in expressing their views and i said i would bring back their comments they were apprehensive

about the chief search. that explained things they had a lot of comments on the police commission. that was a great process to go to the stations that is something we need to incorporate into our process more. and i think there was a lot of misunderstandings and miss conceptions about what we have done from the poll sighs we have passed and a lot of direct input got a lot of direct input after response times redistri redistricting a lot of officers say it has impacted stations. officers asked me before a make' decisions on the corroded restraint hear frg the officers. we heard a lot about tasers but took a quick vote and at least for few process we should hear from the folks training on the

subject. i said i would try to bring that up before there was final decision on the matter. officers comment on the 36 inch baton who had complaints and safety concerns on that. there is confusion with the line up officers carrying the baton and others who weren't. it was clear to me if that was still in force. there was confusion about the policies by the time i got there it was straightening itself out and most folks were using it correctly. it was great. i look forward to reading this comprehensive report we did get a lot of community input. like doctor joe i don't know if there was a lot of surprising community input. from the two

stations, park stations discussed whether it was better to have an internal or external police office in park station. they said we don't care we're just looking for the right chief. it's interesting to hear the diversity between the two stations. >> thank you. commissioner - vice president? >> i had the opportunity to attend bay view as well as officers headquarters and like victor said they're interesting headquarters are where the officers certainly the officers i met with are much more senior in rank than long standing. the internal versus external candidate was discussed more at

length than it was at southern station where they focused in on qualifications such as, you know, educational credentials ability to work with mental health training and what kind of background and experience they would bring to the ranks: interesting discussion about internal candidates was brought about whether or not an external candidate would also bring his own command staff which of course we as commissioners have no power or voice in who becomes the chief's command staff that is a staffing issue. that was an interesting discussion as well. one of the things that is most

interesting about the two sets of officers as well as the community is there was a great deal of discussion about 21st century policing policies how best to implement them but everyone seemed in favor of embracing them and to make change in the department. so i was pleased to see that. >> commissioner loftis if you don't bright commissioner turmin brought up an issue about bringing up a command staff. we brought that around first time around by charter they're not allowed to two times ago, there was a special exemption voted on by the commission and agreed upon by the bargaining unit to allow chief gaston to bring on another officer from another department. that's a rare exemption and he requested that

for the comp stat unit. >> our officers had a reaction and wanted to know if that would occur again. >> for future reference they're not allowed to do that. >> de-jesus. >> my meetings are pretty rocus a little different. it was in direct high school it was not well attended we did have people show up. there was an issue whether we got it out or not. there was people putting it out on the radio station. it was not well attended. the people that did show up with the release of twitter and poster and statement frs the mayor's office there was a lot of anxiety whether this was a charade and facade it took a while to calm it down. i had

not seen the poster until the next meeting it was miss leading and had logos to meet the new chief. there's a campaign on twitter or radio there's a campaign for a particular candidate that has put people up in arms i have been eating a lot of ear full at the meetings but a lot of calls from publicly concerned people. so we just need to talk about that. that is two of the meetings i went to. that is what is going on in the press and the phone calls i have been getting. at the missions there was interesting ones like disban the department take away their guns we can't look at an internal candidate because they're concerned about the sway or the hold of the poa put out people have the blue ribbon

panel which is a force in san francisco and the force it has on the department. those are the things i heard as well as the other things i heard going on. at both the mission station and scottish rite. i went to the right place i ended up at the scottish rite eventually. it's too bad i didn't move on this earlier but some part of this process opened and transparent for the community. and there is two sides to it. we put out a bulletin saying it would be confidential so we have to honor it to that extent there are other departments that make the finalists known to the community we need to put on this commission if it's on offer tonight an agenda 2-3 month process. during this process when we get down to the final

candidate whether we can acquire to them to disclose their name to the community. who these individuals are and evaluate the mayor'sings decision based on who he chooses. it's behind closed doors. you are not thinking outside of the box and not thinking of the community. this is a time when the community is distressed with the policing. we should talk about ways we can alter or change it f we can't do it for this process maybe the next process. the doesn't hurt to ask if they wouldn't mind disclosing their names that's what they're left with at this point. we do have to respect the confidentiality we put in place. those were things that came from the community meeting. as well as a list. you have given us a report

to list all the particulars people said. i also met with several officers i met with the mission station, apoa and the poa i did hear some of the officers would prefer an in-house candidate. there was a reason for that. they know san francisco and know the communities in san francisco and they hopefully know and can work within the different xhupts in san francisco. they can hit the ground running. if they know the department and how the department runs they can hit the ground running there was people who talked to us at the meeting who also said especially at the mission one is really the focus on the kreshls and the incoming chief. whether that person has experience running the department reform and experience

participating in the 21st century policing and innovative and has the ability to move the department forward. there's a proand con and weighing in the balance to look at. some of the things the officers told me they think the chief needs to go on a ride along with the younger officers they need to get back in the community and experience the community they need to be there when the officers and i specially demonstrations are being when they're working they're being spit on and having stuff poured on them. that they're experiencing. they question the training in the department especially right now they can't get to the range to qualify for post-certificatification. there's a big backlog there and a lot of them are concerned about main trag post certificati

certification. they talked about sergeant promotions. most have a seven year period to move up to sergeant. it was made three years the first year is a probationary year so it's two years experience. there is no requirement they have to have drol in those periods that is the right way should we go back to a seven year requirement for promotion and whether we should really require super vision or tra training inside actual districts out in the field. so, that is something we should talk about the new chief on. there was a baton issue, they were upset with this commission for not providing tasers i took the heat for you guys i said it was me. i'm certainly one of them. there

are other issues like spiking to get around - how do i say this in a nice way? you have a those on the captains but my captains don't have to come from this list. they can jump over the list they want the promotional list respected. i might have it backwards my notes are not that great. what else? one of the tech grounds pointed out that the department bulletins are vast and many and not categorized in a way they can be easily obtainable. 569 might go with 39b and respond to 8290 and also may respond to 106.4. there is no way for them to get a handle on what the bulletin requires of them. they want to make sure they cover all the

necessary requirements it's not there they would like a data base to categorize all the varied bulletin departments if it's use of force they're all in one section and when they're writing a police report that will pop up if it's domestic violence it will pop up did you provide this did you provide that? did you get the name of the witness - whatever is required they have a pop up in a program that would help the officers so they can write a complete report and begs the question it would do electronically so it would be in electronic format that is something i said with susie on. i think that is a brilliant idea. one of the things they talked about is the department bulletin come down fast and furious some comes down - has to

look at this department bulletin and they have to try and figure out what the command staff actually wants. there is no real coming down and saying, this is what it means sometimes when it comes fast and furious it ends up in this bin it's too much to handle, there is no real training and clarity on the department bulletins that is another thing for the command staff t f it's complicated or not well written i didn't say that there should be a meeting to explain to them exactly what the command staff is looking for. they also believe the bulletins come down fast because they're being reaction they're to issues arising you need the flexibility to do that. at some point there need toss be training and understanding of what is being asked and required of each and every one of them.

for the department groups they would like somebody from the inside mostly and i did have complaints on the 36 inch baton i'm not sure what the safety issue is, but i heard about the 36 inch baton that is in a nutshell. >> thank you. i think i'm last dr. joe did a great job thanks. there is things we did differently i want to thank my colleagues who did this before commissioner zasuko and de-jesus. did 2, 2, and 2.

[inaudible] doesn't reflect the approach we took. accouple of things one it was expanded to five minutes across the city. in years past it was three. part of the feedback this is commissioners mazuko's recommendation someone standing at the podium and one talking there wasn't much dialogue that was frustration with the community. setting up a conversation is important. we set up groups and circles led by young people. if you have been working with a group of kids we now have two classes through for two years i will tell you one of the young people who worked with us last summer who didn't work with us this summer called more magic and said what can i do? i want to be part of this. that's what they're looking for. we also expanded it to an online survey you will hear it from the

recruiting firm. i appreciate the comments and there were funny articles for the need for a publicist. there was an article taking issue with that. i did find that to a large degree oakland did similar things including youth in their process. but did a little bit more proactive press around it i wanted to correct the record to the extent to which we have done things the way they have always been done. and those that care deeply about the community and neighborhoods there are tough conversations they facilitated beautifully as you know. from my experience, the community meeting i don't think i can add anything. it was good to ask questions of folks given the

confidentiality of this process when someone says i'm looking for someone with integrity how do you ask someone that quest n question. that was a good effort i was able to go to line ups at tenderloin. we have a station out at the airport i went to the airport for the 6:00 a.m. line up. i was at tenderloin i would echo it occurred to me we have not spent very much time at all with the officers at the stations i used to make it a point to go on ride alongs and with the schedule we have been keeping i neglected that. that's a problem for this commission for a lot of reasons, miss information can get perpetuated if you don't say hey this is

where we're coming from. we're thinking about you guys goit tough questions too i asked for tough questions one thing this commission has done is welcome tough questions from everyone. one of the responses we had is one of the jobs as commissioners is to shake their hand as they come in with a star and gun and their family is there but the question is are we doing everything training wise with a job getting tougher every day we're equipping them to do that. when it's going great we can recognize them and when it's going great we can convene earlier. it's healthy to have those conversations and i appreciate the officers at tenderloin for giving me direct feedback no one brought up the 36 inch baton but there was a

lot of taser discussion. it was universal for me. that there is a request for somebody that is internal i got a lot of feedback at this commission - prior commission selection of prior chiefs not within this department. specifically being an issue. commissioner de-jesus. had meetings with the police offic officer's association and we met with the pride alliance. what is understandable and i think is often forgotten is sometimes it is just the basic parts about being a police officer they felt we did not put enough aonto. and identifying a leader for the permanent department. across the board for the department it's been a tough year in change it was imparted to me chart of what we should do is not run a fair,

good process that gets everything that need toss get done but we should recognize the department is searching for that permanent leader. then the last thing i would say is this is sort of our quality tative response we will get a full report from the recruiting firm with all the other pieces it's important for everybody to hear i want to thank the commission the amount of hours this is not understood everybody up here has a day job and did tremendous work over the past few weeks getting out there. i want today thank you for that. anything further on this matter? >> they also want the commissioners to do the ride along. they would like that. the community folks interested in how they make decisions that they can contact the chief's office and they can see how that is done at the academy level i'm not sure they can do a ride along but they're inviting

community folks how officers are trained and make certain decisions. >> commissioner wohwang. >> they echoes that we make the final candidates public. they similar to the community felt a strong distrust of the solacing they want to know we're forwarding the top three applicants as well they pushed strongly they be informed - [speaking off the mic] this is at park station. they came back and said we want to know who you are putting up there as the final three candidates have a right as the folks directly effected how you came to that selection. >> yeah. i asked the same question at tenderloin i got the opposite. along with some of the groups. >> yeah. [speaking off the mic]. >> just one thing i told you about what the officers were

saying about the station. one of the things they said is you the public they show up every day to serve you they getting a lot of negative comments they have feelings too they have a hard shell but a lot of these young kids - to give you an idea what it's like imagine being in a line up for the midnight shift while i'm addressing them there are young people coming in dropping assault weapons on the table while i'm doing a line up the officers went into the house where the guy was firing the rounds they understand it's a 2-way street a little appreciation they're feeling the effects of this. >> we will get a full report on the surveys and the recruiting firm we will get to that. there

is more to come on this item. this is the commissionerer's piece on this. plank you for this report. >> i haven't had a chance to do this. i want to thank you chief chaplain for i think we had a town hall with four police chiefs and my radio show. miel and chief chaplain and chief brown from richmond. captain joiner from oakland and police chief jennifer chada of em - emeryvil

emeryville. so thank for being there. >> great call next line item. then it's public comment after this item. >> item 1d commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings (action). >> we also will hear from the principled policing bureau i think next week is the deeper dive on some soft the data questions we have been asking particul particularly around the consent searches. if possible we did receive a fantastic report from the bar association with data

recommendations. next week is looking difficult. sergeant will have to follow up. we want to calendar that to a full report from the commission. any other items? colleagues? i will also say we do have to schedule elections. this is today symbolizes my two years i have been president and we are supposed to do elections in may. we have extended it. given the circumstanceses so we will have to have elections shortly i will flag that in the next little bit. commissioner wohwang where -. >> i would like a meeting on the ble blessing scams chief and i attended chinatown out last night. there was 4-500 people at the event. i know the chief got an ear full about the department's response on the

blessings scams. i have received complaints from the victims who continue to say there is language access issues, lack of responsiveness. i would like a report back from the department how we're responding globally on this issue to making arrests. there are a lot of come par sins to new york. the sus spinpicio- report back from svu that is over seeing the investigation. >> okay. any response chief? >> definitely. i got a different

message from the community. we're happy we made arrests. i wish you would have told me that night we could have identified those people and got them services captain was responsive. you were there. the crowd loved them they were very praising of the response to crime in that particular district. i will look into that. >> for captain lizar absolutely but they're occurring in the different districts the complaints were the ones about the outside there is no negative response to captain lizar the community responded well to him. >> commissioner mazzucco? m mazzuc

mazzucco. >> people are interested in not necessarily not having the police respond to mental health calls. we have been advised by the police department that the 60% of calls are dealing with people in mental health crisis it's a resource and training issue it's been percolating the department of public health respond. so there is an appropriate response. i think the officers wanted as does the community if we can plan the next two months to have a hearing on this issue and see what is best for the community and public by changing the ways we respond to these calls and have the appropriate professionals respond if we can have that on the list for october or november. >> thank you commissioner. anything further on this matter sergea sergeant. >> the next meeting will be septembe

september 14th. next wednesday city hall in this room room 400 at 5:00 p.m. >> okay. thank you public comment on items 1a-d. welcome and good evening. >> patricia. i'm head of 22 emergency association and the marina hall groups. on the chief report 1700 block of grain one of the problems i agree with you mr. mazzucco is that the fact that we get the man who is obviously in a psychotic area and he goes to san francisco general and they let him out in a day-and-a-half and this day needed 3-5 days. number two, after he was arrested, he had so much money, he was out in bail in an hour-and-a-half. what

chief did not mention was the fact that the next day he decided to drive his $400,000 sports car into two cars in front of the children's playground at miscone park. and he was arrested again. and he just doesn't seem to care. this is something the police put their lives on the line. this guy was definitely psychotic if you can have a meeting about turning to the department of public health. i suggest you both have a meeting together. both commissions are boards so the public can have the right to hear what is gooiing on. number two is the community out reach. i'm head of 22 groups. never heard of a hearing a meeting. never heard. so we've got

problem with the community out reach. number three, is, i want to thank first of all greg mckecin and jj for given us dame damian faller he's one of the best beat officers. i will finish with the [speaking off the mic]. >> thank you. i'm sorry. there is two minute limit. there will be public comment on the general agenda. good evening. >> thank you. president, vice president and chaplain and hicks i represent three groups in the city and one merchant association as well. regarding transparency, and a fair process

regarding the selection of the police chief, i think you guys are just missing the mark because the city has great resources the mayor's office has a list of every single recognized community group association p association mer chent group in the city as well as attorney's office. you got to tap into those resources and put in the town hall at the auditorium you can speak out regarding the selection process there. i think that would be a great thing. with the community groups no one has heard of the town hall meetings i haven't heard of any of these community meetings. we try to do the best we can with our groups we put out a flyer we asked to correct by the police chief's office. we paid someone to do the flyer after getting

the corrected chief officers that was done. we understand also that the chief is very busy we have worked with many chiefs throughout the years including chief sir who did the best to be at our meetings when they couldn't there was a department chief at our meetings as you recall we recognize chief lof tell us - loftus - to have a fair process selection process, i think you need to publicize a major town hall meeting and use the mayor resources and the city attorney has regarding community groups . >> thank you. we will get a full report on the out reach that is done for the meeting. thank you for your comments. next spooeak?

good evening and welcome. >> hi commissioners i'm going to have to second what the david just said about the poor out reach. notwithstanding the search groups thing when i read right now that lists a bunch of places where they went out to the public. the meetings were incredibly poorly attended. i was actually pleased when i heard commissioner mazzucco at a previous meeting in the past the citizens of san francisco have proven to be interested in who the next police officer police chief is. it was the same old folks, that have come to these things all the time. i didn't need to repeat myself i was hoping to have any voices even more conservative voices and they didn't show up. so i'm

afraid there is no opportunity to redo this, however, if you guys elect to go ahead and make open who the last three candidates are, then something like an event at the corum auditorium where there is much better public notice of the meeting might be something you would be willing to consider. the other thing is i found the meeting to be highly structured, over structured at the same time somewhat chaotic we asked rep t repeatedly san francisco police accountability how the information put on the white boards are put on and what you would do with it. we never got an answer. questions that i asked about the police chief never showed up. i asked specifically we have a police chief that not somebody that has used his weapon to shoot at somebody and somebody who had no

use of force incidences that were questionable. none of this got to the piece of paper your people did. i find that problematic. >> thank you. next speaker. good evening welcome. >> i guess i am the next speaker. i appreciate this very much. my birthday is 9/11. i'm a good cop and a good fireman. there's a reason for that. they chose me. the earthquake happened in miscogie that is where it first earthquake in nap pa when i was over at the vietnamese industrial when i was

protesting. i said no they're going fly it into one of these buildings. this is before 9/11. i spoke to this. and a policeman came to arrest me. it was so cute. the way to vietnamese scrambled around me and got into the whole food. true story. there might be an earthquake today because in coke owe there is an anniversary quake to that and an anniversary quake to all of this. even the pope will recognize these earthquakes because on the anniversary of our quake, in ecuador there was a large earthquake. i am the truth, i am the light. i speak like a fisherman and i have one

will, when will this end? when it comes to t and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. pledge of allegiance. best way to speak about this stuff sitting or stand ago it's a great right to be an american. it's protest our pledge of allegiance so when you speak into the microphone. do - >> thank you. next speaker? good evening and welcome. >> good evening thank you i'm karen freshman part of san francisco police accountability and justice for mario woods cool li - coalition i thank you. commissioner de-jesus speaking openly about the process. i found it confusing if more people came and said we need an

external and few came said you need an internal candidate are gouing to pick an external candidate? i don't understand how that adds up to criteria. and put a questionnaire online like league of women voters kit be anonymous candidates for the search. this is level of experience the amount of budget and command staff they have had and approach to officer involved shooting and approach to unconscious bites bias and policing. put that online and let the community give you input which of the individuals candidate ab and c aligned with san francisco. that would be a better way to get input that would inform your deigs i urge you to make the final names public. that is extremely

important. the three other items i want to bring to your attention. i'm surprised had not been part of the discussion to this evening. first bay area police having sex with a minor sex worker. what are you doing about that? how are they being held accountable? what is going on with that? i'm glad you spoke on the grand jury report on the crime lab what about the grand sury report on the officer involved shooting it's taken 20 months for the da not to indict as he does. that need toss be fixed. this is really bad for the credibility of the department and for the community relations and lastly, when is the hearing on the blue ribbon panel? [applause]. >> thank you. next speaker? >> hello. michael patreli i would like to address issues

chief i don't trust most of what comes out of your mouth. in may when you accepted the interum position. by the guy that was the interem mayor that you were not interested in the job. seems like you have changed your mind. correct me if i'm wrong about that. >> mr. patrelus you cannot address your comments to - i have to enforce the rules not address anyone individually we will give you back that time. go head sir. >> give me back my 20-seconds . >> i will let you go 20-seconds over. >> what i'm nervous about the current chief there is no transparents s - trant parent sa

where was from? a simple matter around the college degree from the current chief makes me nervous i can't trust the guy if he's going to be like that with transparency on the college degree. i'm glad to hear you say you want the list of candidates transparent that makes my sunshine heart so happy. i think it will be a huge step forward if the names come out. if the names are leaked and if ewe hear it may or make a decision. will be a huge dark cloud on the entire process. lastly, the mayor has not held any town hall meetings to do with anything with the police or the officer involved shootings. there is no reason for the mayor to keep

himself away from town hall meetings. you went out. that is a great that is a start. the mayor need to get out of room 200 and have open public meetings i called on the mayor to have his transparency plans for the process i want to now how transparent transparency -. >> thank you. welcome. >> i want to briefly speak about the input from officers i wanted to comment if you are hearing feedback that it's nothing but criticism towards the police there need toss be a communication strategy with

officers they're hearing from the poa any discussion from the police reform is anticop. i'm professionalism that is not antipolicing. when they're getting garbage in, they're going to lose the context. on the chief search. you have vets up here who have been through the search before. this is unlike anyone you have had before. the department is not the same situation as it was five years ago. and i think the process need toss reflect that. i think you had lots of good input from lots of sources that is good i want to aplowed th mrd that. those are the experts that have been through this sort of situation that knows what it takes to do the sort of reforms to tackle. you probably got hundreds of recommendations coming from cops at this stage i

strongly encourage you and have your recruiter to do those for you not so much from candidates you got your pool what are the lessons learned from other cities. you should call the ram transparency the chair ram sea snfrment those people will have relevant input not ground up but expertise as you go through these process - i will defer since i'm running out of time. >> next speaker good evening and welcome. >> albert einstein said the best definiti definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing

and expecting a different out come. this is the body in charge of hiring the last chief. this is the body that evaluates the chief out of view of the public. you give the chief his or her marching orders and i have heard no acceptance of any responsibility for the fact it was this body it was the use of force agreement to languish for 20 years before it came up for renewal and not until a number of people were killed i considered one of those cases as an execution you don't need 20 shots against one human being unless you are determined he won't survive. one shot, nobody was in control at that scene , nobody was. frankly, i believe this body has past it's day. i believe the citizens fshgs of san francisco should have a ballot initiative to elect the

police commission who are responsible to the public and not to the cronies who put you there. basically i don't trust you. vi come before this body on numerous occasions ald - and told i wasn't allowed to speak and accused by the president of harassment when she knew i had not violated that policy when i requested her she refused to do that i consider that to be slander. if you want the public involved you have to let them say what they want to say. you can't use all this manipulation like putting the general public comment at the end so you get all the time you want to go through what you think is important and leave the public sucking high t -.

>> part of the rules were made i didn't make them up. comments that are made to any protected group. public comment - what is said is not necessarily - we do not endorse it. with that. i will leave it. good evening and welcome man. >> i would like to talk about the transparency. what is the transparency on this board here? and all your backgrounds. i have been coming here for four months, coming my main ke about my daughters murder it wasn't to disanybody it was who is responsible a judge and the sfpd does have a lack of their duty a murder happened. now i found out loftus you were da at the time

of my daughters murder mr. wang you too. i didn't find this out too i didn't find out until sunday until i ran into willy brown in a police meeting. he is not transparent he is either nuts. what is your transparent sea at this board? i'm mortified to learn you have been there on the pd knows what happened to my daughter. to you sir, i gave you the last meeting is that was held here information on a domestic violence program. i'm trying to get reports on the call made to the police department i made myself. there is one report your police department took, the others are not there. and i got that report it was confidential took me a while from candy i asked her if

you would pass that information along? no. the day i got that report the next day i got a letter from the head of the rekofr- records department i would not be getting that stuff this this is a national murder in the media was everywhere. officers - i have the report - told to go with a search warrant on james mitchel - [speaking off the m ] mic]. >> we have senior investigators that is who you have to talk to about a pending investigation director hicks can you identify who is here from the occ? thank

you. there is an investigator who can answer the questions. unfortunately, we can't do it here in public comment. i'm very sorry for your loss and this is frustrating. i'm very sorry for your loss next speak i'm sorry director hicks? >> yes the occ this evening is senior investigator sherri flecher. >> if you two could connect and make sure her questions answered those keep coming up. good evening welcome. >> i didn't see item d that's why i interjected at that point. i wanted to thank you all for doing these meetings but there is not enough turn out. i appreciate your report and i appreciate more people would

have said specifically what happened. i'm concerned about the night captain because i read he is the chief of police and more about his qualifications and what happens that is not okay. i don't know what the statistics are that is much more serious than we're taking it. i think you you need to ask the next chief applicant will they be willing to do an analysis and report on the department to date the information found by the blue ribbon annu- panel i want somebody to critique publicly what has happened under greg's reign. if he's a great chief we still have no owned any public - any public person has not owned responsibility in critiquing. ask them, would you critique and look at the blue ribbon and what

needs to change around texting, racism all of the murders that have happened these need to be brought forward. the confidentiality, that needs to be changed. we need to stop that. i also want to have a clear idea about how the new chief would deal with the poa and the way their interaction with us is. so we really need to have much more transparency about what has already happened in this police department. by the way the police are serving the public in some people's eyes but their purpose was to help the slave owners and businesses against labor. [speaking off the mi mic]. >> thank you. thank you. a brief

response, the u.s. doj is going to be issuing their report with their recommendations they also were in rekreeceipt of the gran jury and panel report. there is collaborative report with information to this body i heard it should be the next few weeks i heard october as a guide post. next speaker? good evening and welcome. >> good evening my name is john jone jones: i heard we would hear the input from western san francisco. that was totally lacking. the only suggestion i had was the commission might want to work through the local newspapers they're all over the

place. i know they would publish information about the policie commission as newsworthy. vi not seen anything of this panel that would be dishonest. finally if there is anything for the blue ribbon report i want you to know i can't wait. >> thank you next speaker? good evening. welcome. >> good evening police commission and risa as well. good evening. 30 murders versus 34 last year slight improvement thank you for doing that whoever is responsible. number two

integrity unimpeachable integrity that's what everybody incests on in a new chief. the former chief was the opposite. you supported him for years in miss deeds in paying millions of dollars and legal fees to pace for his indecember correction for yea it's would be helpful. if your process is transparent. it didn't allow criminals to be possible chiefs. next is taking so long with the badge camps with the commission. that is with the san francisco geographically. like the mission station is the core of corruption in san francisco

police commission. why are you waiting on the badge cams they needed it a long time ago. people like me are not safe until they have those camera on their chests. i will come back. >> thank you. next speaker? good evening and welcome. >> good evening. pleasure to be here. some of you know me some of you don't my name is milani clay and here representing the people specifically lgbt community and the justice for mario woods commission and with black lives matter. i appreciate all the work you have done. i have to say this is the most col colorful commission i have seen. that is empowering at the same time we have to recognize we're in a new age and not getting the job done. and that the color of

our skin does not qualify us for any particular position especially in law enforcement. being formerly incarcerated myself i have been on both sides i have family who are officers. i have friends who are officers that work in the jails - deputies. what i'm experiencing is we're not getting the message out there. i have been evicted last week and staying with my mother. i came out here specifically today to have a chance to speak with you guys to encourage you to reach out to the folks you know doing the community work. the democratic organizations i don't know if i mentioned this before i'm the former vice president of political affair for the harvey milk club so yeah, we have lists. we can get the word out.

if any of you reach out to us we would be happy to include in our message what you are trying to do and try to help you to do it better. couple things i wanted to reference really quickly is the aclu letter to mayor on 8-25. i'm assuming you all got that. we really want to see an open and transparent process beyond what has happened so far. and we appreciate you trying. thank you. >> thank you for those encouraging words they're deeply appreciated. next speaker welcome and good evening. >> bob from san francisco police accountability. entrenched interest always fear outside control. insider control is almost always subject to pressures from the outsiders

given that chance the citizens of san francisco want transformational change of the resource they must seek a clean slate from the outside. if a police chief is chosen from the insiders from a neighboring city and not a big contract costing san francisco taxpayers $49,000 we can safely assume the fix is in. if that consultanting firm was responsible for engaging san francisco residents to genuinely participate in their police chief and could only bring in 40 or 50 individuals on each of five different occasions that consultanting firm didn't do it job and safely assume that the fix is in. san francisco is a city of 800,000 people. if they

were contributed to by 12 well meaning teenagers we can assume that the fix in. above all if the three finalists are not made public and the standards the final was made public not transparentally open to the public this commission has sold out democratic process and once again the fix was in. if the excuse was given was to respect the anonymity of the an indicates - candidates i ask you if it's more important than a democratic process of complete transparent before the people. >> thank you. next speaker. good evening and welcome sir. tom

gilberti. cameras who owns the visit? how fast does the public get it? ten days? that is going to be the big play for part of what we have to deal with with cameras transparency, open they need to be quick. police is a professional organization of of investigators when we have a problem involving the police that needs to be investigating the police it need toss be done quick. 30 days we're professionals here. guy in the backyard harassing his exgirlfriend maybe we can throw a net have the fishermen crew. guys that can throw a fishing

net. that will triangangle anyb up. five years experience with our policemen: that's a toughy. the next thing is when we're graduating our crew, why not - i would love to see each graduate teamed with a 2-man crew that's been ten year veterans that have never fired a bullet. we can do that maybe once a week they can get experience from guys that have experience and they can go back to their own team. general, i would recommend lightning of the belt i would not mind the new graduates not wearing guns. i would like to see the police department learn how to settle down on the sidewalks of our

city. and of course i want the police department to live in our city. okay? i want to hear some of that too. thank you. >> thank you. any further public on items 1a-d? hearing none item is closed. call next line item. >>presentation of the safe streets for all quarterly report, 2nd quarter 2016; and, discussion and possible action to adopt resolution supporting vision zero and automated speed enforcement (action). >> thank you i will remind you this took an active role with the commission with the spike with pedestrian bicycle fatalities that happened that year and this commission passed a resolution called safe streets for all with quarterly

reporting. i will say those taking an interest in groups this is an effective group partners at sf and bicycle coalition have worked with us to work collaboratively with the department. this is how we track in policy lives being saved. there's a request you have in your packets for passage of a resolution for the commission with automated speed enforcement with that commander good evening and welcome. >> good evening. commissioners chief chaplain director hicks members of the public. my name is rabo sullivan of the public municipal transportation agency. i'm here to present a quarterly safe streets report. my presentation will cover the

second quarter of calendar year 2016. i will be speaking - my statistics will be speaking to the months april may, and june. as mentioned by commissioner loftus is for enforcement and education eliminating traffic commission fatalities and reducing the traffic collisions. we have a partnership with a myriad of organizations some within the city itself some of the transportation agency the department of public health i will be followed this evening by katie engoti from the public transportation agency. we work with the bicycle coalition and caulk sf with that in mind i have a brief presentation this evening knowing that mrs. angoti will make a presentation as well. if you go to the next

slide. we are measured in large part by what percentage of citations that we issue go towards the five primary collision factors to be determined with traffic energy coalitions. there's a study done by the transportation agency from 05-11. the vast majority of collisions are from motorists with excessive speed failing to yield to pedestrians at a cross walk and failing to yield to oncoming motorists as well as making u turns with that in mind there was a joint session with board of supervisors with the police commission. committed that 50% of our departments

would be for those factors for the second quarter 2016. 39% of violations were issued focused on the five violations that is 30 teen % increase from quarter number one we saw improvement there. if you go to the next slide please. we look at data here to date the first two quarters that is january through june of 2015 and 6 teen. the department has issued there has been inissue of seven person in the total number focus on the five violations . >> i want to give a shout out to the captains that made it to the 5th year or above. that was the goal at 25% that is captain mic fadden at ingleside and captain in richmond. each station has different factors there is a number of operations. i think my

husband got a ticket in richmond failing to yield. if you are like me in your native san francisco the level of traffic enforcement has gone up so much and it's much more targeted now. >> thank you for acknowledging them. to what you said targeted i should preface this by saying our enforcement is directed by data it's data driven. those with the department of public heelt we're directing our officers through the district stations to areas we know in the past historically injury collisions have occurred. through 2016. we focus on the five violations i mentioned that the goal of 0 on tom of the tai fatalities collisions is to

reduce collisions. have good news the kwar 2016 compared to 2015 the collisions were down 13% a slide on the monitor now speaks to the different types of collisions we did have seven fatalities. that was for the quarter number two. looking now at the period january-june 16th compared to 15 overall with the exception of fatalities all of the other categories were down as well take the four categories together. through june 2016 they're down 9% compared to the same in june 2015. vi a break out. on the next slide of the type of traffic fatalities one thing i would like to point out

january through june 2016 there were five passenger related deaths, that is a tremendous increase to 2015 , there were none. two of those fatalities occurred in the south market area. you may recall the case there was a vehicle that fled was not pursued by the c hp and the occupants of those vehicle passed. there were a few other items i would like to discuss. the first one with guards to the you recognize those captains august 4th. mayor lee from the bicycle fatalities in june issues an executive order. it was around pedestrian and bicycle safety a number of city agencies were called to task to meet certain objectives the police department we were ordered to meet our objective of

50% of the focus of the five violations for collision affect torres i'm proud during the month of august we achieved that. there was another captain his or her command achieved. 50% it's the first time this chain - campaign has done that and at 40% to date. we have made tremendous progress. we ended 2015 at 35% we're above that. i expect us to go higher. the second item i would like to mention tow i know mrs. angoti will speak to it. is speed, in a good number of our traffic injury collisions. the department of sfmta and department of public health has gun a speed campaign. if you

listen to the radio with regularity npr or [inaudible] you may have heard vision 0 segments those started in september of tho this month. an in the this month. in the month of october the department will begin safe speeds enforcement operation. what that means for us speaking in the department, on top of the speed eports we're making there is 153 additional hours per week through a grant officers will conduct traffic through [inaudible] [inaudible]

- any questions ? >> great. you have come a long way. mrs. angoti from sfm

almost. and thank you. yamaguchi for the technical assistance. good evening and welcome. rb tha. >> thank you. my name is katie angoti with the government affairs. i appreciate the time to talk tow i know the agenda is long. this is an important resolution for you to consider. it's extremely timely given that we're gearing up for the 2017 session and the next one starting up in four months in january. sfpd has been working hard to enforce the most dangerous traffic violations they have been great partners with the sfmta and other

departments with the joint traffic safety efforts and campaign. enforcement is one of the prongs of our division 0 of the multistrong efforts also including education enforcement, english thooer nooering evaluation and policy. that's what i'm here to talk about so san francisco. there are 30 fatalities and collisions each year. and speeding is the leading cause for injury and traffic fatalities in san francisco. speed is the -. >> into the mic. they will do it for you. >> okay. take my word for it. speeding is the strong est predictor of whether - (pause)

whether a bicyclist or pedestrian or driver hit by a vehicle will walk away from that collision alive. as you can see from the graphic the faster the vehicle is going the likelihood of that person surviving is reduced. to imagine speed enforcement engineering education there are tools we currently don't have access to that is automated speed enforcement. so it's currently precludes in the california vehicle code. we can't use it. we need state authorization to allow san francisco. automated is not new. there are 143

communities in 15 states that have it programmed including new york city portland seattle d.c. chicago and denver. and these cities reported reduction in spe speeding over the speed limit ten miles. they have seen reduction in the number of violations given so the cameras are going in, people are changing their behavior and they're not speeding we did have conversations with tight communication with other cities they see this as a force multiplier because they know there is a lot of speeding happening in the city that they can't enforce for whatever reason, resources or the street geography is not set up in a way they can do speed separations so

president loftus as you mentioned speed enforcement was in the two year strategy for vision 0 for which the police department has committed to implementing in 2014. they have approvaled. vision 0 and received direction from the board of supervisors to pursue this at the state level. the resolution before you tonight is enforcement for the vision strategy and to work with city partners to support our legislative efforts and with that, i'm done if you have any questions. >> thank you. vice president turman. >> thank you. wouldn't it be a

lot clearer in the resolution defined automated enforcement system? there doesn't seem to be a definition and you are saying, it's included under state law i think we need to change it here to specify what we're talking about that. other than that, i have no objection i'm in support. >> okay can you take technical amendments . >> certainly, we can. >> the definition of the automated speed enforcement -. >> when i call it, you can make a motion with the correction. that is fine. >> make sure it's a definition i'm not quite sure i know what it is. >> yeah. any other questions colleagues? i would just say, this is a bold goal vision 0 by 2024 this is about people

putting politics aside agencies worki worki working together for a common goal. i'm in support of this, this is effecting seniors and young people. if you have an elderly person in the home the speeding is making - could get into an accident but at a high level of speed there lower percent of survival. if there is no further comment i can take a motion. >> yeah. mic m- [speaking off t mic]. >> yeah. that is fine. what we can do is schedule this for next week. for possible actions. if the commission wants to take a vote tonight. that is fine. if not we can add it on for next week. that is fine. you raise a good point if you want more time we can give you more time. we will schedule it next week for a

vote. thank you. any further questions colleagues? >> with the suggest they incorporate in the new version what commissioner turman is asking more. >> [speaking off the mic]. >> you need to speak into the mike. >> if other commissioners want to make a suggestion by next week. we can make the motion at that point it will give us an opportunity to read it. >> again, if anybody again - we have gone through this before if you have suggestions or questions we can discuss it now let's not have one commissioner be able to change the whole resolution that will cause a problem. we can put it on for discussion and action next week. we will have a draft if there is no objection commissioner turman can add that definition if you have other changes we will have to discuss it as a commission next week. >> i'm concerned about the 2024.

seven years some of the last stuff that happened the blow back is on the department. we didn't comply with everything. we violated this stuff. i can't remember, i want to go back and look at some of the last actions that just happened. so i'm conce concerned putting a strict target on it. >> [inaudible] 20242 years ago. >> okay. there was blow back i wanted to make sure we look at it in light of what is said with the concerns we had a couple of months ago. >> sure. thank you for being here tonight. anything further colleague? sar gaergeant we wile this resolution on for discussion and action and see you next week. sergeant next line item? sorry. public comment

online item two. >> i think they're rushing it when they vote into lumbard carter changes there needs to be more studies done. this is in the last 2-3 months. i'm for public safety and due to the fact that i have ten pins in my left leg i can walk and sometimes i can't. i believe in the concept of vision 0 but you are rushing the way this is worded. big time. number two, some of the studies for the lumbard carter okay? we're not done looking at studies. they only did the east-west studies we're about to have a problem you don't know are you listening or not? i have a feeling someone isn't is the fact that we're about to have a major highway in

a city during peak hours is going to be in total gridlock all of mta the study for lumbard and vision 0 the plan conflict each other on certain corners because of the different sections of the department of the mta we're dealing with google buses we're dealing with eliminating parking places in the same place we're dealing with north-south people rushing the lights. most are the people are rushing the lights to get to the bridge. i think the words of this is very loose and you should care more about the comments from the public right now, you got mission, you got

tereval you got ingleside and [inaudible] to richmond - [speaking off the mic]. >> thank you. thank you. that is your time. >> when we look out for people, right now, we have a chance to speak. we have a greenbelt that needs to be poke street and height street. it should be like europe separating the car frs the people. and emergency lane for cars and buses for people getting greens and stuff. but separating the cars strucks - trucks can be slowed down in the city they're not going over 65 any more that is i great thing. technology has given us a lot of

things. i appreciate this. when it comes to texting i didn't hear them say anything texting i was almost ran every by somebody going through two red lights. i doesn't matter how many but they keep texting i appreciate being the unknown comic i predict everything and talk about him being - with or without a college education i'm sure he has one because he wouldn't be here. you can't speak about it he's a smart man and i appreciate being - i seen the policeman as a kid i was a bad guy i was behind a mailbox when he came back to talk to me he said that's a tarnished penny a shiny gold color. i can't

remember what he said. i hope we had more policemen like that that set people on the right path. i appreciate you sir. >> next speaker. evening and welcome. >> good evening. i'm cathy daluka with the program manager of walk san francisco. i think vision 0 is not unrealistic to have 0 traffic fatalities by 2024. that is not the same as no traffic crashes while we would love to have no traffic crashes what we would like is to not have people die from those crashes. engineering and enforcement to slow the speeds education we haves of tools to get there to make the crashes less severe. by 2024. i'm sure

of it. what we need to help us get there is automated speed enforcement because we have been using a lot of tools to get to vision 0 although we're not there yet. i'm happy see decrease in collisions the last quarter i have been going along with the bike quarter with training in police commission stations when we talk ac the officers citing for speed it's hard for officers to do that in the districts are streets are congested it would be dangerous to chase after speeders there are problems with staffing they don't have staffing because speed operations take multiple officers. there is only so much the officers can do. automated speed enforcement can get us further they won't have the same problems that the officer have. we can enforce speed when they get stuck in court instead of

doing their jobs. i urge you on behalf of walk sf when you you decide to move forward on a motion for automated speed enforcement pass it. we need your vote and support to pass. thank you. >> a question they quote studies how do we find these studies so we can review them. >> katie angoti worked with the controllers aufszer with speed inforcement in other cities best practices katie can give you all the information. >> and the packet should have all the information with the resolution. >> all i got is a resolution . >> you got a packet of six pages at at your home with the presentation. >> with the studies. i can look it up. >> this is what you got. [multiple speakers].

>> if you read through it there are multiple reference points there is data, common questions [multiple speakers]. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> hi. i'm disturned - disturbed by the traffic incidents with slow down saturday and the police would stop and give a warning a person has not had a ticket in the last year the policeman would be here humanized and say the reason i'm stopping you is because we're tired of seeing death and our citizens die. the way the police officers have direct contact not

be there as punishers but be there as warning and have a connection between the police and community by actually warning them and creating a positive connection. they don't want to be ones enforcing and punishing they want to be the ones preventing. this is one way to do it. we were working on slow down saturday. that is the day we're going to take the time to think about what we're doing and slow down. i'm seeing it everywhere. i'm scared. there are people turning in front of other lanes. it's just red lights are being not stopping all the time. i would like to see something where police officers are out there's aing why they don't like to see this and are hurt by it i think that would be a humanizing chaens chance for for our police

officers. camera won't do that. it might be a good tool if we put signs on the city and make it a thing all of us want the community is a part of it. you can have signs in people's windows slow down saturday. people can bring it up at community meetings and we can start working on this as a whole city not just an automated camera that takes the picture. that is my $0.02 . >> thank you. next speaker. good evening and welcome. >> hello michael patrelis again i wanted to address the issue of bicyc bicyclist riding on crowded sidewalks i brought this at the sfmta to red restic. i'm concerned that south side of market street from van nes to

valencia. is becoming more dangerous because bicyclist are riding on the sidewalks i will ask reskin riding on the sidewalk don't ride on the sidewalk as both a pedestrian and bicyclist i talk to them when i see them on the sidewalks please don't do that. i think the police department has an important role to play in making sidewalks safer through enforcement the prohibition of bicyc bicyclist on the sidewalk you can feed two birds with one seed. you can have the cops walking a beat along market street meating all the neighbors on market and talking to all ot

bicyclists riding on the sidewalks we have bike lanes. we have to use them all the time. the second area that i think has to be of concern is grove street from market in front of the library. this is side of the street where there is burger king from grove to larkin you have pedestrians coming to city hall to get to the bart station and you have bicyclists riding on the sidewalk as if there is no room in the street i hope the police will do a better job. to keep bicyclists off sidewalks. >> thank you. good evening and welcome. >> good evening commissioners i'm an advocate. [inaudible] i represent 10,000 peoples for the

bicycle coalition. i'm an outer sunset resident i have to bicycle in and pass through a jfk drive where heather was killed on june 26th. and another woman was hit and killed by biking enforcement. we need all the tools in the tool box to keep our streets safe. automated street enforcement is one of these tools that has proven to work. there is plenty of information included in your packet from katie today: all the bike education for michael patrelis that they're not on sidewalks it doesn't stop we're doing all the officers safety classes and this conversation

we're having with every single sfpd station it doesn't stop great work from happening it gives us more tools to keep our streets safe. on behalf of the san francisco bicycle coalition i'm asking you next week to get this to a place you can all agree and pass this resolution because san francisco needs this. >> thank you mrs. lee. any further comment? yes, sir?. come on up. >> my name is john jones my may my remarks please the commission. i have been an avid bicyc bicyclist i have seen bad bicyclist bad behavior on bart. i think there needs to be

serious out reach to the bicycle community who consider it a matter of honor to flood the traffic laws. i regard myself to be an advocate for bicyclists they seed someone willing to obey the law and respect the transportation mode. i think bicycli bicyclists as a rule have the honor to do that. i think serious out reach need toss be done to the community. with valid means of transportation and not disparaged. the common behavior of bicyclist notwithstanding. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. welcome back. >> the enforcement installing in san francisco to be in every neighborhood. not just certain

neighbors. number two , this is a supportive comment the sanctiti sanctity life that the police chief talks about sometimes and the general nature of his report of innocent lives being saved at all costs i want to applaud that. thank you. >> thank you. any more public comment on this matter? hearing none public comment is closed. next week they will reinclude the packet with all the information included. i ask my fell fellow ners to review that. we're going to schedule it more nekdz week. i ask that everybody be prepared for that next week. with that, i'm going to take a ten minute break. we have been going for over three hours, so it looks like if my math is

right we will come back at five minutes to what is it? eight? five minutes to eight.

2-and-a-half hours. (meeting in reces

>> commissioner loftus we're back on the recard and in open session you have a quorum. >> call the next item. >> item 3.update from the department of human resources on status of use of force policy negotiations in meet-and-confer process (discussion). >> okay. so we have director mickey callahan here. you are oriented to where we are with, by way of remind on july june 26th the commission adopted a use of force conferring to the meet and use process with the various laws attached to this process by director callahan. and occ who had been a negotiator to participate in that process and the commission asked for updates on - there is

mrs. mary - updates on this process. we have scheduled today as we have done in the past an update in open session and in closed session i will let director callahan talk about the way we're going tonight. good evening and welcome. >> good evening commissioners thank you for the opportunity to speak with you director hicks chief chaplain as well. i wanted to restate a lot of the things i said before to put it in context the department of human resources is charged with the resposbility of meet and confer contracts and the use of force policy have been the union has identified, they believe, impacts that fall within the scope of bar againing when there are items that fall within the scope of bargaining we have a

legal obligations to meet and confer that, which means engage in a good faith process of exchange idea, consider alternatives and resolve or not resolve disagreements. the city has reserved it's position as to whether the issues in the policy fall within the scope of barg n bargaini bargaining, but, we're engaging in the process of seeing if we can identify and resolve any issues with the agreement it's preferable to engaging in litigation or prema sure adoption of the process with concluding meet and confer. with the risk of proceeding without the meet and confer process the court or arbitrator may confer we have failed in our obligation and we do not want the policy to be over ruled etc. so i want to

confirm with you, my understanding that this is a very high priority item that the commission - i have been directed by the commission with my staff to move with all possible speed to complete our legal obligations so a policy can be adopted the outcome is either a policy is adopted that everyone agreed to, both the poa and commission or we have concluded our legal obligation, determined no agreement is possible we reached impasse or we may argue that the issues are not within the scope of bargaining that remain and the chigs would move forward with implementation. it is our goal given the pace of meetings we have set to conclude this process at the end of september although, we're precluded from having a deadline because that would indicate that we were not

necessarily bargaining in good faith. i'm here tonight with employee directors with sam and michael from staff. and you know lawana preston is on vacation this week which i accidentally approved. >> you got the management right. >> they get vacation and think they get to use it. and susan has been attending the ameetings since late july during closed session she will be able to answer specific questions i wanted to let you know we started meet and confer on july 19th. and met five times to date. we have three more meetings scheduled we hope to see you again next week for another update because we will be meeting before and after your next police commission meeting so we are trying to move quickly to resolution or you know, if

unfortunately we don't reach an agreement we will have at least completed the process. the issues just brief la that the union has identified concerned there are about nine issues some of them. have been debated publicly at great lengths i won't go into them and a few in closed session i would charac r characterize as drafting issues etc. we hope there are some things the commission will be able to consider favorably. either way we will take the direction from the commission and take it back to the bargaining table. i want to commend sam ramarian who has been very much involved in the process and give us guidance to what the commission would not find acceptable and chief staff lynne in his staff have been helpful to us as well staffing the process.

>> i want a follow up question. some of the advocates are very invested in this. and transparency is a huge part of what we have been a huge part of what we're endeavoring to do. the question if you can speak to your experience the law especially in san francisco. does not allow for everything. in closed session. if you could explain why you believe it's beneficial to have those conversations not in the public view when so many of these have been in the public view. >> certainly it will be to the public view for the commission in all. labor negotiations involve strategy and if/then scenarios and discussion of legal issues and potential outcomes and positions that the employer may take. having a public discussion of our strategy with respect to the poa

would mean we're transparent to the poa that is not considered good labor negotiation strategy. for other labor negotiation strategy we debrief the department heads involved and previously we brief the board of supervisors and those have been in closed session that is so we can get direction without exposing internal deliberation to the people we're negotiating it's similar to the police commission negotiating a lease. because of this, it's one of the few reasons that closed sessions are allowed to for governing bodies and agencies commissions such as yours. >> i'm sure my colleagues have questions for you it is a little bit - we intentionally set the agenda to have open as well as

closed session with this. as we brought so many people along this process we're explicit about the approach we're taking why we're dpog into closed session and what the process would be. i have been very anxious for this policy to be finalized as i know my colleagues and community members are. not only - actually i shoild say more so after going to line up and speaking with officers i think confusion around the state of this poll sigh it's confusing for your average person at home to say i saw the commission approve this and a discussion of meet and confer and where is it at? that is for the public to be confused and i have a concern that our officers are not clear. and that is not good for them and the public and i know you appreciate that. i have to say while

july 19th. to september is not a long time in labor negotiations this commission feels there is urgency to completing this process i appreciate your counsel and role to make sure we don't make steps that would put our position in further jeopardy to get locked up in litigation not that we reached a disagreement which is a possibility we could end up in a significant fight because this commission feels strongly about a number of issue we're talking about, that is a strong possibility. i'm concerned we have the unforced error where we choose to go too fast or skip a step and end up in litigation i'm happy to hear you say that you have been meeting regularly and that accept - this is the month. there is going to be an agreement or there is not. i know you have to be somewhat

good with time line but we have been taubing about this policy for a long time the issues are clear, delineated we need to get this finalized. colleagues? any questions or thoughts? >> thank you. i have to say i read your response to us, we realize we're at a cross roads with transparent here many public mes have given us positive feedback and followed this closely we know the poa's position they made it loud and

clear. it's clear these are either - particularly public safety issues we're trying to avoid. the kor rod corrodic hold in there which, which can easily slip into a choke hold which is banned in many states which can cause death. it comes down to a public safety issue and management issue we have here and shooting at a moving car the best practice is not to do it. we're moving in that direction to follow the best practice available and the danger of sho shooting citizens people on the street, children, babe ees dogs dangers are really high. again, that is a public safety issue and public management issue i see what are you saying and understand the strategy i wonder

first of all, if they're bargaining in good faith i hear i don't know if it's true they make public statement statements no one has to use this use of force they're arbitrated don't worry don't bother i understand they're making statements like this it leads me to believe they're not negotiating in good faith and go to arbitration and drag the process out one of the consequences for them. with these types of statements - let me just finish - how do you go about getting consequences on them for bargaining in bad faith, if that is the case. >> so, to respond, i think that they do have an obligation to bargain in good faith. for

examp example, one reason we're driving for a lot of meetings we never miss a meeting, r we never con sell a meeting because we're going in record we're bargaining in good faith. if not they make a charge and go to civil commission services because of the unique structure of the police. i have before filed charges against labor unions for pair gar banning unit however here i hear very much the urgency that you and the commission and members of the public are bringing to the table to get this done. whether they're bargaining in good faith or not we're going to bar gaun - bargain in good faith. if we

fail it will impose a policy to be contested. my goal is to do our part to bargain in good faith if it's transgent it could mean we conclude it is a suggestion on certain items under any circumstanceses ul would agree, etc. as for the pun public announcements i did call what are the statements i'm hearing about? i was given an assurance they're bargaining in good faith and the comments are taki taking en out of context they know we bargain in good faith and we expect them to if they stop bargaining or have no meetings available that puts us in a different position in of going forward with an agreement

we have waved our opportunity to go for a bargain. >> i think we have answers here we could potentially be seen not in good faith. so i get that we're putting the chief and this whole dependent and the whole city liability at risk while we have this policy in place that is 20 years old. shooting out of a moving car using corroded restraints. that is sitting out there while we're in arbitrating and i'm concerned about that. and i think our community of stakeholders are concerned about the lock longer this drags out the higher potential we cold have a type of incident and

[inaudible]. >> thank you. we will report back to you. >> having ride your arguments pi first conclusion is when i heard you say is what i wanted to hear you you say today by the end of the month, you will give us a report and whatever that report is, whatever that is i haven't had a time i heard september 30th that is great. we're all concerned it's a policy we approved and would

like to get done i have faith you have to have a lot of faith in [inaudible] i know that you said this before i know what you would like to see happen i'm fine with waiting until the 30th and i look forward to seeing where we are, where ever we are. thank you. >> commissioner hwang. >> can you say anything about the poa's position and you identified there were nine issues they identified for discussion. i didn't know there were that many. >> there are one of them is a typo to be corrected we identified that as an issue they used the wrong word we think it's the wrong word we will ask you is this the wrong word and will you let us change it? that

is the simplest. that is one of the nine the two probably most difficult ones has to do with the corroded restraint and shooting discharging of firearm of a moving vehicle. there are other issues reassessing between shots repeated use of force, some language about - i would say it's primarily in the area of they're not really sure what it means and they want to understand what it means. that's what they're saying to us we're saying maybe there is simpler language that the commission would be willing to look at that makes it more clear. i think while there be many issues people feel strongly not in agreement i think what everybody agrees you want to be understandable to the police officers that comes naturally and automatically and they can be trained on it so if they're

comfortable with it they know what is expected. and very cog any centauri of cognizant that drives us to a solution. i hope that answers your question. >> i'm hearing two policies with the corroded restraint. >> there's a penal code. >> 3035. >> right. whether that can be there. we would like to discuss that with you, what it is that supervisors are supposed to say to individuals who are in the middle of an incident where the officers are talking to the officer, what should be said. those sorts of things. so there are the big issues you have heard about and if we can see how far we can get with the minor issues that will lead the way to the resolution of the

larger ones or we will identify there is no resolution possible at which point we report that to you. and you ma make a decision have we completed bargaining and come to a point of impasse where we're not going to reach an agreement. >> last question if this goes into your strategy, feel free to let me know there. is there a possibility where you would come back to the commission in september and say there's a partial commission. saying yes, we agree on 80% this is locked in and the other 20% we didn't agree upon and put it before the commission. is that a possibility or all or nothing? >> i think that is possible. much of the policy is already not contested so having concluded negotiations if there are, let's say, 2 or 3 issues outstanding we don't feel we can

resolve the commission decision might be to some extent strategic decisions to some extent what you need to do for the good of the public would be, do you mend the policy and move forward and keep talking about the other issues again that would be one option. another option would be to say if we report to you we reached impasse and there is no agreement we completed bargaining and going to go forward. at this point if there are contested items the is we might go to arbitration and we might or might no agree whether it goes to arbitration. it's a secret i prefer not to go to arbitration on this. labor arbitrators who would be the

arbitrators are not experts in police use of force they're retired hr people like me - i'm not retired yet but you get my - sometimes i consider it. >> that is an option. i, like you i appreciate the role you are playing is it's a cautionary tail with an arbitrator we're

not the final ashters of the policy the final arbitrator is the arbitrator. i think you are hearing where the commission stands on how important this is. and chief chaplain put on a bulletin with a lot of these concepts with 80% that is a start. but it's challenging for officers too. that can be somewhat confusing. commissioner de-jesus did you have another question. >> i did. penal code 835. poa and their advocates over many many months 835 need toss be part of that. we have had this discussion for month months it was unanimous to not include that. we have proportionality, time and distance sanctity of

life. and they want to put stand your ground at all costs to be an aggressor and right to self defense that is contrary to the language we put in there. one of the concerns we have is, i agree we don't want to go to arbitration but we want to to enter into any agreements into the policy we put in place. i want to say it's a pulley tactic to try to agree and make concessions on certain areas of the policy to threatening the arbitrary i would hate to go to that but if we need to we need to we shouldn't back down for a compromise on the agreement . >> are you suggesting we're bullying the commission. >> no. but this is to get concessions out of this commission. one of three to get something out of it. so good

faith on that. as all three of these are all significant items that we voted unanimously on. i think we need to listen but i think the agreement is going to significantly change this policy we might have to go to arbitration i'm not trying to reach an agreement just to reach an agreement. >> i understand that. i don't think the choices are limited to we reach an agreement or go to arbitration. i 30 there's a real possibility we can't reach an agreement that doesn't necessarily mean we go to arbitration that is my view. >> commissioner marshall. >> if we have the part that still remains that 5% is the only part that has to be negotiated. to come to common

ground that is meaningful to the public and police department at the same time. there is significant movement poo frem not part of these negotiations from outside and i'm lerry of sources when they're not named. but when we sit in negotiations i have sat in on those negotiations there is significant movement. mrs. marin is in there advocating and bringing the perspective from the other side of the table to negotiations i don't know if anyone has sat in a room and not spoken on good faith. the negotiatio negotiationers from callahan's office we pushed the hard line and they pushed back. the reality is, if we can get to a point where we're not tied up in litigation in court. and people talked about need to get this policy out it doesn't do any good sitting in court 1-2 years

how many times do we see something happen that could have been avoided. i heard it when we first started this process and got 8% of this thing passed. so we go in the room and the doors are closed. that's when we get things done and i think the process going forward. i don't think we lose anything by doing this process i think if we waife went other way we lose a lot. >> thank you chief. commissioner melara. >> i wanted to thank you mrs. callahan. there's a sense of urgency there is no doubt about that. with the community and stakeholders the bar association the occ we have had a lot of participation the aclu one of the things we did learn in the visits to the station we should move quickly and the

officers want change they see selective bargaining for more of their side of this issue one officer told me the aclu and the bar association are not going to be on the street dealing with a person in stress officers this is an opportunity for them to put forward their position with change which is what the community has requested. we need to be cognizant of the fact that one of the officers is a senior experienced well respected officer we have to get this right because changes in place may get worse. that is selective bargaining that's why this process is a process that need toss work in doubt the officers want change. at the end of the day they're the ones that have to deal with it on a daily basis every day for 25 years we have to respect that. >> thank you commissioner

mazzucco. sorry. commissioner melara. >> okay. i feel uncomfortable trying to put words in a process. i don't think that's our role right now. we have no voted on anything yet. when you bring us the report, we will decide what we want to do at that particular point. i know we want to see a process move forward, but i don't want to move it in a direction that we potentially end up in litigation and end up waiting another two years so i have a trust in the process. i have been in this process through this city and i think it is important that i don't want to tell you what to do because you have a job to do. and when you bring us the results, that's when we take a vote and we decide what makes that [inaudible].

>> thank you. >> correct. >> we voted but -. >> okay. anything further before we go to public comment? okay. we will hear from you again in closed session and talk about strategy. >> thank you for putting a date on it. >> yes. >> it's an arbitrary deadline. >> thank you. [multiple speakers]. >> that is better than what we had before. >> thank you. public comment on this item number three. welcome and good evening. >> my my name ih my name isi m. appreciate not comparison to businesses and leasing a building this is government the public's purpose here is to have everything out in front. it is not a business deal. so those analogies are repaid for and

tiring. and to have director callahan say what the nine are. i counted six heritage shooting child, cop and three more that is not been made if you say nine things we would like to know what the nine things are. it does not feel like the poa has ever bargains in good faith if we have to get arbitrary commissioner loftus to get experience there. i would like to know historically has the department of human resources brought poa in san francisco ever? because i would doubt it. i think we have to push back on the poa here don't worry about the police officers we got this under control for you. that is not the message we want to send to the police and the police don't want it either. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. good

evening and welcome. >> allen. dos aclu i think having a deadline, that is not a deadline is comfortable but i don't think anyone can assume it in this situation i think some of what is presented to you is disturbing and i expect that you will have give and cake with director callahan in closed session all right you haven't decided it. i oppose that. i like to give you my thoughts on what you should be asking her or thinking about. one you are the client. and the strategies decisions that are made are for you to make and i know you all know this well and i take you at full faith and the urgency you feel, but if you allow labor negotiations to go on on fundamental policy issues about the use of corroded restrains or

shooting from a moving vehicle, you are jeopardizing lives we know what the poa thinks. the poa thinks - and they're entitled to their opinion that both of the decisions you made jeopardize the lives of offerses and the public you ri jeejectedt the decision has been made it's unclear from director callahan whether corroded restraints and shooting from moving restraints should be on the table it should not be on the table. you can discuss the impacts but the poll cease made are our decision and i think we should take those off the table. i think there is a solution and chief chaplain has given them to us. i think you should issue a bulletin, identical similar to the one you already issued saying we, the department, and the police commission have three principles

we're banning corroded restraints we're banning shooting through vehicles getting rid of this archeek penal code section. that shouldn't be bargains about -. >> thank you. >> i have a question for you. so one of the things callahan just told us was f we do try to implement this 20% it should show we're not bargaining in good faith it could be a backlash against this commission and stop or policy. maybe i miss understood her but -. >> you can answer the question. >> nothing you do or director callahan can do is prevent the poa for asking question the reason i believe you are bargaining in good faith these are as pure policy decisions as you can get. as director

callahan's statements is a fundamental policy statement has impacts on officers, that is subject to bargaining that has to be wrong rngs means every general order would be tied up for months that would mean when the cops reports come down 200 pages full of recommendations you will adopt the poa according to the bargaining strategy will tie that up. that can't be up. finally, you know there's a view in town that the poa has runned this department and if this bargaining strategy feeds into that notion the officers had their representation the poa was out in force during or working group in session they don't have the right to have it behind closed doors . >> mr. callahan he can address this if we implement 20% and go to arbitration and if we're

ruled against, why don't you come up here and share the podium. >> great. my greem. [multiple speakers]. >> you can articulate what your position is. >> i want to make sure i'm answering the right question. you would like me to clarity what would be our view if we fail to reach agreement and the commission moves to implement? >> no immediately implemented it? >> the 20% which is con interested. >> yes.

[technical difficulties] >> you can answer the question if they implement the 20% they don't like it and we're ruled against. >> we might disagree that it is appropriately before arbitrator depending on what items are

included in it and disagree. >> windows case scenario we implement 20% while still in negotiation and we take it and get ruled against we get a cease and disist order? >> the court could implement 20% if it's ruled we have to go to arbitration it's going to take eight months, at least . >> it might be helpful to take the poa out of it. and what their decisions are again, i'm big on what we can control what we can control and can't what we can't control. we're you are working for us, you are our client. with the meet and confer if it effects working conditions call me crazy you can no longer shoot at a car and use the corroded restraint. for any

officer that effects in working conditions there are rules in place that allow workers to collectively bargain even if we don't like them very much. so, i would like to clarify that i believe our obligation is to follow the law and follow the rules and not worry about things we can't control which is the actions of the other parties i don't have any further questions for you. >> you take that and not in recommendation. >> thank you. next speaker. good evening. and welcome. >> hello kevin benedict here on behalf of the blue ribbon panel. we want to focus tonight in one issues which is electronic data collection. we're known for the

written commission of the use of force logs which is identical to the language of use of force logs in the 19 tonight 5djo and hope as the commission continues to move to this process it can take the opportunity to allow to make a change for electronic collection it's our position that we should mandate electronic use of force words can be changed to use of effect for this before the use of commission previously data analysis is important at unlocking steps for allowing to advance software for data analytics for transparent and accountability and interventions for command staff and makes it easier to comply with state law

requirements and can lead to better policing. all of these benefits need to have the data to function it's a prerequisite and we believe this may nor change could enable those positive benefits and presently, lead to 5.01. we're excited to work with the commission as a resource and plan on reaching out to the bar association task force how we can be of use of them on data collection and analytics . >> thank you for your letter. that is a minor but important change that is something we can talk to mrs. callahan for that type of agreement to talk to the commission too. see if they agree with that if she would negotiate with that. data is the most important thing is add collection and have it electronically it's important it's too bad we didn't catch this before we voted but there

is an opportunity to catch it there. >> thank you mr. benedict. >> good evening welcome. >> hi i'm from the bar association working closely with many of you in the last year-and-a-half. if i have learned one thing i learned what comes with reform is reform and culture and culture effects every aspect of policing as we have known it whether it's with the rank and file with the poa or whether it's with negotiations. this commission has done a couple of important things i wanted to commend you for, one you look at this meet and confer process you have asked the department of human resources to explain to you what this is about and the second thing is you spoken clearly about a need for a use of force policy and you want it quickly

you formed a stakeholder group i was a part of. we worked really hard. police officers were there every sing meeting police officers have been there every single time. we have listened to them and made many changes because of what they had to say. then in the final days, commissioner loftus asked sam and i to meet with the poa and in two days we accomplished a great deal it's more than 80% we agreed on i would say it's closer to 90%. when i saw the meet and confer process took longer than i expected and i longer than you expected i called mike from the po and and asked if i could join the group as you all recommended that i do and i declined he said sure, come on i asked sam ramarian. she said sure come on. i heard

that the department of human resour resources that i couldn't. i was willing to lend a hand because i know this policy intimately and the time we spent and the time we spent with the poa those two days was well spent they did listen to us we listened to them and we accomplished a great deal. i can listen to you in any way going forward . >> thank you mrts chung for all the hours of work you continue to do. next speaker? welcome back. >> thank you. nine moss after sfpd after the execution and jessica mill son williams the people of san francisco deserve to have a use of force policy that protects us from a racist rogue violent members of the san francisco police department. i

think calling niki callahan is the wrong party you need to bring party in front of this group. sfpd contribute $150 per paycheck nearly 2,000 officers 26 times a year that is $7.8 million budget to buy the silence of elected officials and impede progress and trust in the department many sfpd do not support the sfpd because they receive legal representation if they violate law from the sfpdoa this time the commission break the power of the commission by offering police commission options they can ensure themselves in case we need legal representation for example requiring the officers to

purchase their own insurance which would also encourage them to follow law and policy perhaps after contributing after an entire career they could receive all the money they contributed to the legal defense fund back as part of their retirement that is some of the ways we consider our health insurance we get many different options to choose from. why would the sfpoa be the only surer of the san francisco police department members?. >> next spear . >> hr director callahan just said the poa determined which use of force are labor issues the poa determined that she went onto say, even though city is

reserving it's position that seems like a very flight thing. the meet and confer is a legitimate process here to argue that any issue that hasz an impact on officer safety is there by ipso factor is a laborer issue you have to make room for the poa in your policy discussions this is clearly a second bite at the apple for the poa which is well respected already in the stakeholder group in the first place. if you guys don't have the moral and

intellectual courage to demand a unimouse votes what happens from the grass roots can instigate a lawsuit against you. we will let you know. with your duty to make policy and allow president oa come in with policy to come in that is the direction we're going to have to head in. thank you. >> next speaker. >> i have been giving this a lot of thought and i believe the police officer's association is not a monolith. 80-70% of the officers are honest, hardworking people doing an extremely hard job and want the department to do the best they can be. are there racists? yes there are.

are there home - homophobes? yes there are. [inaudible] it would be basically under cutting a person and especially egreasing at the time chief sir could not defend his because he was under so many investigations he was unable to say anything in his defense and i didn't heard anyone raise a voice in his defense he has battled with

every agency in the city he has gone to the mayor because he didn't like the tone. doing their job their constituents demanded they ask and so forth when it moves from an organization dead fending the rights of office to an organization defending the atacts that undermines their authority then we have a problem. who is running it? tiberis caesar found out once he put a couple of people in charge he was no longer emperor they were running the store. >> next speaker? good evening welcome. >> hey. briefer xhant. commissioner mazzucco said the publ

mrufrs needed that opportunity to comment and the public is not given an opportunity to comment on this part of the phase. like wise while we understand officers have to deal with the consequences of this every day so do the members of the public. public safety is not less important than the officers, which seemed to be implied by your statement. i have a couple of questions and suggestion for chief tony chaplain can the police department move forward on a policy before all of this is sorted out to try to get the majority to get concerns intoo into training and push through for officers? the second thing is a suggestion that this commission should try to litigate. whether the police

officers asocial security yeegs had the right rather than sending them to arbitration. you have a lot of political goodwill behind pushing the case against the accomplishes association. right now from community grass roots support. if they want to make this a contracted legal fight they will receiver consequences in public for that. i don't think it's an advantage i think you should call their bluff. finally de-jesus referred a document about ground language if that is publicly available. >> that is the penal code. >> okay. that is not part of the negativeses. >> they wanted that language in there. >> i see. if there is a document referencing that fact they wanted it in there. >> yes it's in the use of force policy we discussed on june 22nd. >> that is like a version of

that? >> yeah. >> thank you . >> thank you for clarifying next speake speaker? welcome back . >> thank you my name is john jones. the stakeholders should be branlted - granted more that two minutes to speak it's untimely to turn the mike off. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker? welcome good evening . >> good evening commissioners director hicks chief chaplain i think this is an important issue coming before you. i worked at the occ for 15 years and meet and confer is supposed to be

meet and confer not meet and greet. from a concerned and informed member of the public it looks like the poa is attempting the hijack you're union support policy just as they're trying to hijack your choice of police chief. i'm concerned. i think you need to deal with this head on and it's really inappropriate let this use of force policy go for so many months without immrenting this. we hear from julie tran it shouldn't be meet and greet it should be meet and confer. thank you. >> i wanted to give you some suggestions for closed session i

wanted to point out the stakes are high. and performance in this department. if you suggest we're going to get 200 recommendations from cops we're going to be half dead before we get through it. if you allow them to hijack the process and delay things, there are candidates watching from around the continuee wondering if this is a town they want to work in. and you are greatly disincentivizing them coworking with this process. question one director callahan said things can lead to impacting working conditions. literally everything this department implements jour poll sigh implemented could lead to discipline. that means there is no marginnage jerial

the delay creates that risk. there's a training block as long as you have that ban in place about four hours you can't use it for others thirngs and the poa is preventing the process from doing that. lastly this is not just public policy decisions. public policy is used how our powers should be discussed in public. so the public understand them and can

support - [speaking off the m ] mic]. >> have you spo spoken on this item? okay. welcome. >> i'm agreeing with two lawyers i would normally never agree with: shocker number one. secondly, this is poa's 117 bite at the apple. we have waited long enough. their time to take policy in this city is done. they're no longer in charge of you and you need to express that. again , this is the same point i think you have been beaten down so long by the poa in this town you don't understand you have the power over them. you are the boss of them. they're not the boss of you. thank you. >> i really endeavor not to

respond for a number of reasons partly because i respect that everybody has a viewpoint and part of this forum is you get to express it. i say to my kids i don't control what you say, that is up to you i just do my best to listen i'm listening to the gold for something that is going to help me do this job and serve the city that i love. the people that sit up here have day jobs. they have families, they have children, and let us all remember they're human beings if we're endeavoring to make this department the best in the country let's remember we're all human beings what i care most about is making effective sustainable reform which requires everybody. it requires you guys it requires people who

will never come to this commission and stakeholders across the board. what i want to say is, we change this process, this commission to highlight all the issues that you all see. transparent and sausage making this is what it looks like. before, policy would come to us after meet confer with poa. what we decided to do. is recognize while the rights are on the back end we have the sam ramarian includes stake community stakeholders for one reason we thought it would put us in a stronger position to make the best policy possible knowing there are rules. what this commission has endeavored is to share the rules we're governed by the. the facts the law what this commission has layed out. i