>> commissioner hwang. >> here. >> commissioner melara. >> here. >> commissioner you have a quorum tonight and tonight is the interim police chief toney chaplin and staff and director hicks. >> good evening to the meeting and everyone at home and i believe the only change is the chief's report and will be over the standard deviation to next week and it's a lengthy report and given the size of the agenda tonight and the number of items in the session we're going to put it over. i would like to thank captain connley to review. with that please call the first item. >> report to the commission. 1a occ director's report and allow the director to report on

recent occ activities and make announcements. presentation of the occ 20,161st and second quarter reports. presentation of occ statistical reports and summary of cases received mediation and complaints of adjudication sustained companies on the dates listed. occ's response to the civil grand jury for fatal officer-involved shooting 2016. >> good evening director hicks. >> good evening. as determined the members of the police commission and chief chaplin and members of the public and joyce hicks and this evening i will endeavor to move through the several occ reports that are your agenda since you have a packed agenda. the first thing they will do is to combine

the first and second quarter reports. they have been provided to you in previous packets, and we are almost at the conclusion of the third quarter, but what i will say for the first and second quarter by the end of the second quarter the occ had happened 301 cases and closed two then. by the end of the second quarter the occ mediated 15 cases from the first quarter and 13 from the second quarter. the number of complaints that were sustained the second quarter represented a 10% rate and the mediated cases represented a 9% mediation rate. transparency is extremely important to the occ as it has been throughout my nine year

tenure but at this point in history transparency has risen to the forefront as being extremely important for all of us. the occ's mission include informing the public and engaging them in our work and in light of recent officer-involved shooting relating in fatalities redoubled our efforts in community outreach with the beginning of 2016 and response to community members that requested greater transparency from us through our participation on panels and attendance at community meetings to describe the occ's role in addressing complaints of police misconduct and neglect of duty and we responded to request to information and hold meetings with pro bono legal staff to

the blue ribbon panel on transparency accountability and fairness and law enforcement and we also provided testimony -- i provided testimony at one of their hearings during the first quarter the occ responded to information requests from meetings with representatives from community oriented police services and cops and the u.s. department of justice in furtherance of the collaborative reform initiative between the san francisco police department and the department of justice the during the first quarter the occ at that point it was confidentiality and required by law and met with and provided information to the san francisco civil grand jury during its investigation of the officer-involved shootings. finally during the first quarter i provided senator mark leno a letter in support of 1286 senate bill and reflebilitied the city and county of san francisco to

greater access to peace officer personnel records related to serious uses of force and in cases of sustained findings of misconduct for certain allegationses. now, moving to the second quarter by the close of the quarter the occ investigators were investigating four officer-involved shootings resulting in fatalities. that's the largest number of fatal cases that the occ has had at one time. we continue to enhance our community outreach efforts which as i have indicated we began in earnest in the first quarter of 2016, community members and members of the media requested to request greater transparency from our office, and of course we are contained in what we provide by

public safety officer's procedural bill of rights when it comes to peace officer personnel records. during the second quarter of 2016 we racks with the panel on transparency and accountability and fairness and continued to work with the staff. we attended the final hearing of the panel where they presented preliminary findings, some of we which concurred with and some we not. we responded to requests and from the cops office as well. when it -- in the area of officer-involved shootings and proposition d during the second quarter we continue provided technical assistance to supervisor malia

cohen on the propdition measure that she authord and investigate all officer-involved shootings and not just the ones is not of complaints. i testified at board of supervisors committee hearings and a ballot simplification hearing on the impact of the measure. my staff provided interviews to the print, television and radio media on the impact of the measure on the occ and at the june primary prop d it justified over 194,000 yes votes and 81 votes cast and the largest percentage of yes votes the san francisco june primary ballot. going to organizational and budget matters by the close of the second quarter 16 permanent line investigators staffed occ but 13 had full case loads.

one permanent investigator who was working on an officer-involved shooting case did not have a full case load at the end of the second quarter. two other permanent line investigators were acting senior investigators during the second quarter and they had small case loads and the two senior investigators one continued to fill the vacancy created when the person in that position was promoted [inaudible] and delay in filling the fogz position was from the creation of the list and the department of human resources was finally able to provide the occ with the necessary testing and the list, and we were able to recruit and

fill. the other active senior investigator continued the vacancy when the investigator on a long-term leave of absence retired and by the end of the quarter there were five vacancies and two line and three senior investigate ors and while our budget -- at that time our budget provided for 18 line investigators and four senior and chief of investigation, and by the close of the second quarter 18 employees staffed the 23 investigator positions. during the second quarter an investigator resigned. the senior act clerk retired on june 30, 2016. the good news. john aldon was filled to fill the attorney position effective may 31 and aaron swrizzers of

hired on the 27. during the second quarter the occ interviewed and offered senior investigator positions to three internal candidates and some are in the audience this morning as the occ investigator on call. they were hired to begin on july 1. we recruited and hired carlos via real as an investigator and began in 2016. moving to engage items and i am move to the happy ending. the police commission and president loftus thank you very much -- very much supported the occ in its efforts to enhance its budget and that advocacy and we do thank mayor lee as well as the board of supervisors resulted in nearly $2 million

in budget enhancements for the occ and so the occ's 2016-2017 budget is 7.7 million dollars. what that does is currently the occ's budget has 39 positions but beginning on october 1 we will have 44 positions and that will result in an additional four journey level investigators and a senior investigator. currently the occ has six vacant positions we're in the process of filling. we are conducting interviews as i speak, and we are conducting interviews for journey level investigators, for the 1632 senior account clerk and we will begin interviews next week for the hmong information technology.

>> >> analyst assistant and come october 1 we will be able to begin filling some of the five vacant positions which include four investigator, journey level investigator positions and one senior level investigator position and we are required to at least hold one senior and one journey level investigator position open, but we have been able to -- let's say hire in advance because we were advised that those five positions wouldn't count towards the attrition fact, and so with regard to that we already started to fill those two

positions. moving on to complaints of note. i keep the commission abreast of complaints of note through our quarterly reports, and as i have indicated we currently have four officer-involved shootings that we are investigating. [inaudible] jessica williams, anita [inaudible] lopez and marie woods. we have a complaint under general order 5.1 five enforcement of immigration laws. on that we are investigating. we have another complaint involving the destruction of homeless encampment at 18th and shotwell street and another complaint by a facebook posting by one of the officers who shot and killed a

alejandro neateo and we have a complaint involving the detection of a disabled man with a prosthetic leg. we are still carrying two cases involving the f ro, unlawful entries and searches. we anticipate closing those soon. another complaint we have involves a woman shot and killed by her ex-boyfriend and racist and homophobic text messages cases. as i have indicated the occ was heavily involved in outreach in both quarters. i am here at police commission meetings with you all on wednesday nights as well as a member of the investigation staff, and very often samra

marion is present as well and the prls analyst attorney and also this evening manny force is here -- occ attorney is here because of the work he has been doing with the bar association of san francisco. and occ -- attorneys and investigators in may attendedded offender's summit on use use law and less lethal weapons. the deputy director and senior investigators made presentations at classes of cadets and of psas, san francisco police academy. mediation coordinator donna salazar attended an events by the peninsula conflict resolution services on the use of adr and is active in the mediation community, and she

also has been active in attending community meetings in western edition and western edition a nei -- and visitacion neighborhoods. in june there were attorneys at the fair and i won't go into more detail and i often provide this afternoon to you already. in the area of policy analysis which is an extremely part of the occ ark work, essential part of our work pursuant to charter we are required to provide recommendations concerning the police department's policies or practices to enhance police and community relations while still ensuring effective police services and as i indicated samra leads that policy work and

during the first quarter her works ifed on the police department's use use department -- use of force general orders as well as the crisis intervention team, department general order and also language access projects, and again i will not go into great detail about the use of force issues. what i will talk about is during the first quarter the occ completed and provided police department general draft order on crisis intervention team procedures and tell uses, and the occ worked in partnership with the police department and several community organizations to implement a cit program that provided the appropriate police response to behavior health

crisis calls. and during the first quarter the initiated license projects came to fruition. since 2007 the occ has recommended that the department comply with the mandate during under the general order on data collection. use of bilingual officers and language line to provide services for limited english proficient individuals. in february 2016 the department issued department bulletin 16029. it requires officers to commence using the limited english proficient data entry field whenever they write an incident report involving a victim, witness or a suspect. also responding to occ

recommendations in partnership with the language access working group the department issued department bulletin 16-03 and training video and online survey regarding the general order and the department bulletin requires all officers to review the training bulletin. in the second quarter the occ proposed that the police commission resolution -- police department's collection analysis and reporting upon sexual assault. forensic evidence that was anonymously -- the resolution was unanimously adopted. the occ works extensively with community stakeholders and the representative from the san francisco police officers association and submitted the draft use of force policy and

the police commission, this police commission unanimously adopted that draft. we continue to advocate that the police address the occ's 19 recommendations that we made a year ago in response to the president's task force on 21st century policing. and because those items will come up next week i will not read all 19 of them to you this evening, and moving quickly through the police commission provided for the occ to present a line edited

of general order as listed and from community stakeholders including the occ, the bar association of san francisco and their representative julie tran is here in the audience this evening. the aclu of northern california, the offender's office and coalition on homelessness and the blue ribbon working panel on use of force and officer-involved shooting, and shortly before the police commission's final vote on the use of force policy which was june 22 basf, the bar association of san francisco met with the representatives of the san francisco police officers association and the occ about the proposed use use version. there were extended negotiations that took place and the occ bar

association ko a provided the police commission a line edit version three in which the occ, the bar association, poa representatives reached agreement concerning aikts% of the use of force provisions. >> >> as we know those are in labor negotiations currently. agreed upon provisions included the use of force -- use of force policy is more restrictive than the constitutional standard and state law and requires officer to use de-escalation and other practices before force. the parties didn't meet agreement on co carotid restraints and shooting at vehicles and penal code and three areas. the police

commission after hearing testimony agreed about the 12 identified areas and voted unanimously to adopt version three and the commission also requested that the occ's policy attorney, samra marian was a subject expert during the meet and confer process with the san francisco police officers association. and in june the occ reinitiated discussions about the 19 points the occ made on the 21st century policing report and that in brief summarizes the first and second quarter report. >> any questions for director hicks on the two reports? and

again these are summary reports and we get a number of updates so thank you for the comprehensive report. i want to note one of thing of concern to community members in regards to some of the discipline from occ cases not resulting in termination and you do note in this that two of the cases that you sustained in december of 2015 would have come to the police commission but -- one officer retired and the other one resigned and it's important for the public to know with progress discipline and knowing what the outcome is going to be changes disaifers and those officers needed to separate themselves from the san francisco police department so i wanted to draw attention to that and certainly acknowledge the significant policy work we have talked about for some time over the past two quarters the occ has been a tremendous partner in that effort. thank you. commissioner hwang. >> i had a question and i appreciate the fact that you put in what the occ's

recommendations were on each of the incidents and i guess my question is if the discipline imposed by the former chief was different from what the occ recommended what's the occ's recourse? can you bring those cases to the commission? what if you think it's a case that warrants beyond a ten day suspension or below ten days what happens then? >> well commissioner hwang it has not been the practice in the past for the occ to bring cases to the commission that are below the ten day threshold should there be a disagreement on discipline between the occ and the chief of police and practicality because the occ

has been so very short staffed often we're butting up against the 33 date. i believe we will have more lead time as we hire up but in answer to the other part of your question. should the occ -- should i determine that a case is commission level and the chief disagrees then i sign the charges myself, and the police commission currently has a case before it where the chief and i did not agree on the level of discipline, and that is more often the case than whether or not there should be discipline. it is the level and so i am

required to meet and confer with the chief of police on those cases that i deem commission level and if we are not able to reach agreement then instead the chief filing the charges i file the charges. this is the second time in my tenure that i have done that for something that i deemed to be commission level. >> but if it's not commission level if the chief is recommending a verbal reprimand and you're recommending a written reprimand does it default to what the chief says? >> thank you for asking commissioner hwang it has in the past, and the -- i have formalized my input on discipline by providing in writing the discipline that i

recommend on occ sustained cases, and i refer to the section of this police commission's guidelines on discipline and penalties, but i have not upon learning that the chief disagrees with my level of discipline or that discipline should occur at all, brought it to you. the only way i am bringing it to you and now this is a fairly new process and it's evolving is by providing these monthly comprehensive statistical reports. >> last question. so i guess what is our role if we see this? we don't have the facts of the case. we have a quick summary. >> for purposes of time i will jump in. commissioner hwang if

you're interested looking at this and making a deeper dive and a recommendation and when the director said if there is a disagreement between the chief and the occ there is not a mechanism to bring it to the commission unless it's more than ten days and warrants it and you could look into it and if there is a recommendation to address it differently. that's what we asked for is know what recommendation is. my request if you remember we would hear the verbal if there is a disagreement but not aware there is a disagreement in the sanction and uncovered a issue that i encourage to you look into and make a recommendation to this commission. does that answer it for the most part director hicks? does i miss anything? >> president loftus i have nothing further to add.

>> anything further commissioner hwang. >> there are a number before us and are we acknowledging there is a disagreement and it's brought to our attention now and should we act on this. >> i think you're raising great questions and my suggestion is look into it deeper and make a recommendation to the commission. it's not something on the agenda tonight but i welcome you to look into it. that will require some studying of the charter, some creative thinking with the city city attorney's' so my thing i don't think we're getting suggestion tonight. i think you're raising good questions and help us to look into further and to report back. anything further on this matter? >> yes. president loftus there are three members of the -- and members of the commission there

are three monthly statistical reports for -- there's one for june, one for july and one for august and the interest of time i can defer going through them case by case. each one of them list the cases in which the occ had a sustained -- one or more sustained allegations, the discipline that was recommended by me, and the discipline that was imposed or not by the chief , so should you wish for me to read through each of the cases can i do so or if not i will not. >> we have the report so i don't know that's necessary from my perspective. vice president

turman. >> [inaudible] >> jesus. >> i just want to follow up from one thing from commissioner hwang and when you have the meeting with the cleave of police and up to ten days and if i heard you right and the chief disagreed with you you're butting up against the statute statute of limitations and you will meet with the chief of police and that's fine but if you're in the issue of ten days or not ten days and they disagree with you isn't there a way to file here because we're talking -- ten days, 11 days it makes a difference and ten days it comes in front of the commission so when you were butting up against the statute of limitations does something prevent you from filing with the commission and continue to negotiate and take

it back to the chief's level? >> yes, commissioner dejesus first of all i do not meet face-to-face with the chief in every one of these cases. there are -- in the cases that i am asking to take to the commission certainly we will meet face-to-face regardless of the statute of limitations. we will make sure that happens. there are some instances -- it's happening less and less -- where discipline is imposed and there has not been a conversation, and i know that the department is endeavoring to ensure that happens, but i will give you an

example of where it was not a commission level case, but i believe that it was a sustainable alleged. the chief didn't and we had a lengthily conversation about his perspective. i provided him my perspective. we agreed to disagree. and again it was a neglect of duty allegation so the level of -- i mean every case is serious, but the degree of seriousness according to your guidelines was at the lowest level d and i don't believe it warranted bringing it to this

commission, but the commission as president loftus indicated can clarify policy, and provide me and provide the chief

direction on what you want -- would want us to do when there is not an agreement on a penalty. >> i would say file the complaint and then get guidance from the commission and that's just me. >> i think it needs studying and a legitimate policy question and if a complaint come toss the occ and an disagreement and to the full commission for lower level and compared to ia and then the chief and we have to think about the misconduct and entry ways and treating them fairly and having a clear path to the resolution. there are open questions here and i understand the occ's reticence for a d level offense and the commission had the questions and we have a disagreement and have more questions. sometimes the facts aren't complete so it's an open area we have been searching for and we need to calendar it. commissioner hwang you raised good questions but it takes work. >> i have one thing and we have cases from chief suhr and needed guidance and brought it to us and took it back and if you need guidance and file it and bring it here and see how it goes forward or back. that's what i would say.

>> i believe with chief suhr he did that if somebody had termination held in advance and low level offense so it wasn't low level offense and held that way and we have been focusing on serious misconduct and i think that's the progress we made. we're raising good points and let's be thoughtful how we approach this and invite assistance from commissioner hwang. vice president turman. >> thank you reading and understanding -- could you switch the order around in your presentation from what you recommend and then what the officer received instead of doing it the other way? >> yes. >> okay. my comment i asked the occ to switch around the order so it reads in the report where the recommendation was and then what the officer received for ease of reading and

understanding. >> i would agree vice president turman particularly since i say at the beginning the occ findings and recommended discipline and the chief's proposed discipline are as follows, so yes it's backwards. i will reverse it. >> thank you. >> thank you director. >> you are welcome president loftus and there's one more report i believe in addition to the comprehensive statistical report and that would be the occ's responses to the grand jury report on o is investigations and i believe include under my agenda item. >> yes. >> all right. you have my

report in the packet and that is a letter -- actually it's a letter to the honorable jon stewart presiding judge, and on july 6 of this year the san francisco civil grand jury issued a report regarding the report of officer-involved shootings in san francisco. because some of their findings and recommendations related to the office of citizen complaints, the occ was required by law to file a written response. we issued the response on september 2, 2016. in short the grand jury recommended that the occ should have access to transcription services for memorializing the interview with the help of this commission, president loftus, vice president turman, the board of supervisors and mayor lee.

we now have funding for transcription and we are having interviews transcribed. it's significant time savings for members of our staff. they recommended that the occ add to the website more material describing how our o is investigation process works. again we trairchged the commission -- thanked commission, mayor lee the board of supervisors, the budget augmentation to provide for us to hire an assistant information systems business analyst and we will be conducting interviews next week, and then finally the grand jury noted that increased transparency with respect to these investigations would improve public confidence in the investigations. we agree, but again we have to note that we provide what we believe to be

the maximum transparency allowed by law based on guidance we have received from the san francisco city attorney's office. we have our openness reports, the quarterly reports, the annual reports, the monthly statistical reports. they're all -- except for the monthly statistical reports which soon will be all of the rest are available online and they describe as much as permitted on our investigations. and that concludes my report. >> thank you director hicks. are there any questions for director hicks on this report? okay. great. thank you director hicks. >> you're welcome president loftus, members of the commission. sergeant please call the next item. >> chief's report. this item is to a law the chief of police

to report on recent police department activities and make announcements and updates on professional standards bureau and regards to the collaborative review status. >> >> update regarding on the bar association and basf criminal task force report and recommendations. >> i will start off with the stats for the period. our homicides are down and shootings up 13% and we're at 108 and last year 96. our gun violence which is shootings and violence and up and city-wide it's down 15%. robberies are down 17%. we received 664 firearms to date and burglaries down 7% and auto

burglaries down 18%. >> did you say auto is down 18%? >> yes. >> that's fantastic. >> dates on major crimes. we had a success. hostage negotiation team surrender in the southern district of the city on the bay bridge. it started off as aggravated assault with a knife at 1045 on the 200 block of main street. a black male got into a verbal fight with possibly the girlfriend. unknown what the relationship is at this time. the victim said the fight escalated. at which point the subject bit and hit the victim. the subject fled prior to the units arriving. the victim was located on the muni bus and interviewed and transported to st. francis for treatment. the chp recalled to a subject walking on the bay bridge ferlt the subject was a resister with the highway patrol. the cal

highway patrol tazed the subject and end up in officer-involved shooting as he pulled out a kitchen knife and held to his own throat but not go to the officers and shoot him and went over the north lanes on to the lower deck and walk way and threatened to jump. hostage negotiation team responded as well as specialists with less lethal. the fire department responded. the sfpd took lead and negotiating and placing the subject in custody if he came off the walk way and negotiation completed at 530 in the a.m. and the team is handling the booking on that. there was another incident and a officer was injured in the mission district. nick rose of mission statement was bit by a resisting subject.

in that case we booked robert cam land transseent and made assertions and the officer responded to a person in mental crisis and destructing property and on a garbage can and pulling the spikes out so birds don't sit there and the officer grabbed him by the arm and waist and pulled him off and the subject hit the officer in the face and stuck the fingers in his eye and the vision was blurred and took the subject to the ground. they ended up face-to-face on the ground and the subject bit the officer on the cheek. the subject was -- the officer was able to control the suspect's face and body on the ground as units arrived and placed him under arrest. the officer referenced that he

believed that the subject was attempting to get his gun and had situation awareness to keep the gun away while fighting and an incident on [inaudible] middle school is and officer from the internet against childrens incident and notified about an incident this year and 13 year old was conducted on facebook by a father of one of the friends and sent the victim dozens of sexually explicit videos and attempted to contact her and the unit contacted the victim's parents and the suspect was taken into custody by sergeant harvey and other members of our team and the subject booked in that case was alex roan. he was arrested for

several charges related to sending pornographic material to a minor. there was an attempted homicide shooting in the alice grightsive projects and double rocks and at 9:00 p.m. in the alice griffith choicing community. the incident occurred -- jose jeter was identified and officers took him into custody and bookod multiple charges but the serious is the attempted murder with a deadly weapon. there was a car jacking and pursuit and call with the officers and occurod the 14th. and that was at 3:24 a.m. at 24th and [inaudible] where it began. the victim was an

uber driver and the victim told dispatch he saw a handgun. the suspects told the victim to get out of the way and jumped into his car and drove off. richmond units broadcast the vehicle and suspect info and the victim believed there was a gun. 15 minutes later units saw the car and pursued it through the soma area at the 101 on ramp near 13th and van ness. sergeant o'malley tried to slow the vehicle down and attempted to use the car out. the suspect car drove straight at the second unit offed by two northern officers strike tg. one officer jumped back into the car to avoid being crushed and the pursuit continued and the suspect crashed into a light pole and one ran and one was

detained. no public or officers were injured and a car was damage the and sergeant o'malleys car and the suspect that the assaulted occurred when ramming the car with the two officers in it. besides that no other damage occurred. initially [inaudible] errors along the pursuit route but there were no accidents. the officer it is went over the route and didn't find the gun. the injuries don't seem life-threatening the officers recognized one as involved in a violent crime in the western edition. at the hospital the doctors were discussing he had bullets in the body through a visual injury and visual through the scan and the last item at a

high school threats incident that occurred this morning and 16 year old who was beat up by four female students yesterday. last night the victim posted serious threats "there would be a walenberg massacre" and threats to the female students that assaulted them. his mother was in contact with the school and we unable to locate him. park station school resource officer is looking for the suspect at the residence and the school liaison is working with the school district to get information out and locate this young man. and that concludes that portion of the report and the next portion would be the san francisco bar association's presentation on the data collection. >> thank you chief chaplin. just really wonderful news about the reduction in homicides year

to date, the violent crime down and auto burglaries down 18%. i mean that's extraordinary and i am thrilled to see that. we don't need to look far across this country certainly with sudden change in leadership, a lot of things that happened in san francisco these are positive results and so -- >> can i add one last thing? today i swore in a new 960 and dan dunnett came back and assigned to the cold case in the homicide division to investigate those cases and the ones that come up time and time again and i swore him in today at public safety building and he's hit the ground running and testifying in another homicide case currently, so he is now joining inspector

salane in that unit for the helped division. >> great. thank you for the update. commissioner dejesus. >> i had a question and reading the paper and i can't remember yesterday or today and talking about cameras. do we have district stations out with cameras and trained or out or is that right? >> yes. >> okay. how much district stations did we have number one and number two oakland police had lost video on their cameras when they did an upgrade to the system. that was part of the whole column i read and are we paying attention to that so we don't lose videos? >> the two stations started and ingleside and bay side are done and rolling it out. i gave the schedule a week or two ago gave the roll out schedule. we're projected to have all the district stations done by november of this year and in

regard to oakland they were one of the groups to get the camera system so they got equipment free of charge and they maintain it is storage internally. we use a cloud base system so they use internal system where all the stuff is stored on premises so i don't think it's comparing apples and oranges and the two systems together and we have built in safeguard and i did hear that i believe the tech people accidentally deleted the footage. >> commissioner -- dr. marshall. >> [inaudible] [off mic] >> i hesitate to do this only because -- imieg to knock on wood but the statistics are heartening. i guess the reason i am saying that when you hear the year to date statistics it's different when it's eight months into the year so if we can somehow keep that up i would certainly like to hear at some point why you think -- some

analysis of why you think that those numbers are like that. now maybe a couple more months if we keep like that but across the board thing is a little remarkable and as we end august and september we have those numbers and again every time give the incident reports or situation reports and they do not end in any kind of violence that's -- i also have to say thank you for that too. >> as commissioner dejesus pointed out in the media heard about the surge nationwide with violent crime and homicide with chicago and hit 500. you're seeing it across the board and violent and homicides are on the rise and san francisco is bucking that trend. you're right. you know if we can continue with that it would be great. again i will follow the

knocking on wood commissioner marshall. >> thank you. >> okay. so ms. tran from the bar association. commissioner hwang and i will remember you and maybe a year ago and julie tran is doing great work and we need a report before the commission and when you were deputy chief you served on this and maybe give us an introduction to the work. we heard about it and wanted to bring you before the commission to hear you know the results, but you served with them before you were chief, so -- >> i did and that was a good old days. [laughter] life was simpler then. no, i served on the sub-committee, the san francisco bar association farmed a committee last year to look into issues with the criminal justice system as a whole and the sub-committee is broke down and i was part of data collection sub-committee with the two people standing at podium now and great human

beings and fantastic people to work with, manny forge and julie tran and we started looking at the data collection in other agencies and how efficiently and effectively they did it and i don't want to steal -- >> [inaudible] [off mic] >> no, i don't want to do that so i will defer from her and started as a large body and we were part that and part of the sub-committee and our specialty was data analysis and collection that's departments were doing to look for and deal with issues of racial disparities so with they will let julie do her presentation with manny. >> good evening and welcome. >> [inaudible] [off mic] >> your mic is off. >> i don't know. i am hoping we can come back you know within a month or two to see where

we're at after the department has had an opportunity and the department of justice had an opportunity to digest this so to back up the bar association started this criminal task force and born out of a black lives matter demonstration matter of attorneys and yolanda jackson our executive director and spoke at therks vent and had an interesting perception and said "it is time for lawyers to roll up the sleeves and to get to work with their police departments" and i think that's distinguished us from other groups that we did our work with the police department. we did not see ourselves as a group -- we're 8,000 lawyers and membership. we didn't think it was our business to make the police department our business but we did feel it was an important role to lend our skills to the police department in a collaborative way to see what solutions we could find together, and to bring some of

the resources that a bar association like ours has and i think it's been and i know you would say this too. it's been a very interesting journey and it's been -- we actually all get along really well and work together very well, and we started out -- our sub-committee which is a data collection and analysis committee did not start out by looking at sfpd. what can sfpd do? what can it do or should it do? that's not our goal. our goal was to look at research and look at other departments and literally were on the road starting a year ago with the san jose police department and then making a number of trips to the oakland police department where we found their work to be incredibly helpful, so why data collection is needed? first of all it's the law. when we started this

work ab 953 was not on the table nor was the city's ordinance. our goal was to not just help with the data collection but to understand its usefulness, and what we learned is that it can actually be used to improve policing, particularly enforcement strategies and community policing. it can identify problems identify inappropriate uses of force particularly if we can couple it with racial profiling or racial data, evaluate bias in policing being, provide open dat to increase transparency and community trust and participation and foster innovation so some of the benefits and this chart we got yesterday from the oakland police department and they have been at this far longer than we have because they were forced to be at it and working with the department of justice and a court monitor to implement a number of changes but the use of force complaintses and how it's

gone down over the years. i think it starts here in 2007 and down to 2016. we don't yet have this final report but in terms of stops that since they implemented the changes they have over in oakland the stops seem to have dropped by 50% and so i think as we start to engage and what you need to know is that other departments are not collecting data i don't want you to think that san francisco was unusual. most departments have not and the attorney general's office has enacted a statute as the city and county of san francisco. i don't want you to think we're behind because we're not. other departments are not doing that work either. but our -- we recommend that we need to adopt a platform to collect this data and that -- and the next slide you will see there is an

interim platform but before doing that we strongly recommend there be a team. i think what we learned most from oakland there is a strong team in place where everybody owns a piece of this. they meeting regularly. they discuss it. they meet with an outside expert on an ongoing basis. you need to partner. if we took one thing away loud and clear from the departments we visited you need to partner with an outside academic, a data analyst who is expert in this role. you cannot do it in house. first of all no one will trust it and you need somebody who can interpret this data in a very expertise way. data collection must be purposeful and meanful and useful. there is a current plan with sfpd. the it department has developed a phone app to collect data as required by the law. they can't wait for -- one of the reasons

we needed our report before you because it's very timely and starting january 1 with the city they have to start reporting so they created a phone app. that development occurred without the input of an expert analyst. i would encourage the department to seek an outside academic as soon as possible so they can partner with them as they build further data platform. whether this app is going to work? i don't know. it's going to be piloted october 1 which is just around the corner. i think at ingleside and that's how it's going to get started. as i mentioned before we think it's critical to include outside expertise. as i said that's the number one recommendation of all of the departments. it provides transparency and credibility and consistent with 21st century policing and in the absence of outside experts you only have the data, the raw data. it can

be misinterpreted either by the department as it reports it or by others outside the department. so why analysis matters so much? and there's a quote which i won't read and from jennifer everhart's report with oakland and there are two approaches generally to data analysis and collection and the first really makes the case for racial disparities and makes police departments offense defensive and the point is to incite so much resistance that meaningful reform is difficult if not possible. >> >> the second approach is oh we account for the crime rate and find there are no racial disparities but we know from the work with the communities that is not true. so her approach is a problem solving approach and i think it's the same approach that the bar association took

and here are some of the findings. so she did find that there are racial disparities in the op stops, searches, hand handcuffing and arrests even after accounting for crime rates and demographics and other factors that influence policing activity but the department by working with her on an ongoing basis acknowledged the disparities and eager to address them. to this end we have conducted our analysis in a manner that allows the doesn't to make changes in practices and policies and procedures and it's the beauty of data collection by someone that knows what they're doing. they have isolated conditions under which racial disparities are the greatest and the least and understanding how they're likely to emerge gives it is agency, meaning the police department and direction how to lessen them. this approach yielded new tactics that op d

and other law enforcement agencies can under take to reduce racial disparities. in other words their approach acknowledges existing disparities in policing and gives the department the tools to mitigate and perhaps even eliminate these disparities so the impact of good data collection and analysis should inform policy and policing by policing we mean strategies, so that if you understand you're searching regularly and it's not producing anything the strategy is going to be you're going to stop doing that because it's not productive, so i want to say on behalf of the law enforcement officers that we have met and worked with that we really respect their concerns. i think that any police department is worried and nervous that they're all going to be called racist once we collect this data.

anybody working in the bay view working primarily in a black neighborhood feel that once the data is collected they're racist and that's why you need an expert to contextualize the information. it's not enough to collect raw data. you need the expertise to analyze it and to content you'llize it. i'm not going to go through all of this because i know we're short on time and i know you have read it all. data can be also used as we learned in oakland to track productivity. they in addition to just collecting the data they would link it to who is the sergeant, whether the sergeant was regularly assigned or a sub and look at particular squad and meet with the sergeant on a regular basis and they are responsible and the meetings on a weekly monthly basis that goes on is critical to the work.

it's not a matter we can't make the business and produce the data as the state requests. i think we should take advantage of the expertise out there and available to us to analyze this data so it can better inform our policy and our strategy and our early warning system and our risk management and all of those things. can it be linked if you get the expert in at the ground floor to build the platform that you need to collect the data. >> >> because if you wait to collect the data and expect the expert to come and analyze it and "it would have been helpful if we had this and this and this" . the second step is to create a team to design a single policy and standard reports. even with this the new app rolling out we still don't have,

and we included in the materials for you. oakland has created a policy like a general order and an entire manual how to collect the data so that's the next step. this is a lot of work and we're not going away. even though they made him chief and he left the committee he's not too far from us nor are the other police officers representatives that have joined our group since he's left. we need to update all of our incident reports and the field cards and the citations and forms needs to be updated. this app as i understand it is a separate process and collect the racial data as required by the state but it's not going to be necessarily integrated into all of these other reporting forms so we need to do that and i think that is the next step. the team needs to review the policy and the procedures regularly to assure fidelity to the best of your recollection. sound policy provides.

>> >> for the officers and transparency and accountability. i am concerned when we do it a little bit at a time what happens it's confusing to the officers because they get directions that this is how we're going to do it and a few months later we give new directions so i think we would be wise i think we have to collect the data starting january 1 and can't implement all of this by then but wise to create a team and work on this and approach it holistically with the assistance of outside academic to do it right and i think when we visited oakland it was then commander chaplin and you have been doing the heavy lifting for years and we're grateful from the hard work you have been doing. we can also tie this data to body worn camera footage. we watched a

dashboard in oakland where paul figueroa the assistant chief could go through 6,000 hours of body worn camera in a matter of seconds and identify with the assistance of a program that was developed by stanford an algorithm that could identify markers that were useful for training and useful for further investigation regarding bias in policing and we think that's a pretty remarkable state of the

(encoder dropped) but the way that a number of reports have been written for years i think has drawn a conclusion that we need to take a much deeper look at and where there are issues and where there aren't issues and free people who are doing fair and impartial policing and not cast with one brush. thank you for the work. i see another commissioner has one in terms to the chief and next steps. i know this has been sent to doj and we're looking for feedback but looks like there is resources to support the department and i don't know if there are next steps to share with us. >> being part of the sub-committee and we identified and we started the prolses to implement and identify through the rfp process to hire an

academic in that capacity. i know we are looking for that academic and finish that process and do the work that was just talked about which is coming out with the best practices way to look at and what to collect and what to look at and one of the big things with the expert in the field and the body cam footage we're just rolling them out so we have time for that portion because it's helpful to have all the body cams deployed and analyze that to the ooj but i think that's the next step to get an academic in place because a lot of the things you heard today and in the body of work and hirchlos an director hicks and outside -- academic looking at this and this is what they do. >> we talked about captain connley being here and we wrote in the letter to the mayor we need an academic for the reforms for what the points you made

and the independence from the outside and around data we don't know what we need to know and i think we will hear that from u.s. doj too and there is a commitment to getting the outside academic. commissioner mel lara. >> i am so glad to hear we're engaging an academic but more i suggest you engage an academic institution. i see stanford here and good idea that we actually -- if that person was attached to a major institution it would be really great because it would come with a lot of resources, and so you know it's always good to be attached to something greater than an individual. >> commissioner i think one of

the best practices is find an academic with ties and that goes into the credibility and someone that has done the work before with a metropolitan department and has a little bit of experience because this is new ground to be looking at for us but hopefully not for the person doing it. >> i agree and what we found with oakland they had a whole team from stanford that came in and i think you would agree with me you know when i first started reporting out on some of the findings the officers weren't sure believed it until they actually saw it and analyze today and it was a bit of an epiphany for them and you get used to doing things a certain way until someone shows you this is what is happening and they truly have changed how they do their police work. i know they still have problems but they're different problems. i think they have done a tremendous

amount of work in this area. >> i can give an example as an attorney for the occ we received complaints and african-american is riding the like to the store and does that every other day and the officer stops him for no good reason. the officer deny its happens or for a reason. with the technology we saw in oakland the assistant chief can get on the computer and dial up the officer number and dial up the actual contact from the body camera with the complainant and analyze that at the moment. that would assist the occ tremendously in the evaluation of complaints and departments so you get to it right away at somebody's desk. it was incredible of the precise information can you get in seconds if you have the right analysis and program and the

body camera and the data collection. he did that. he dialed up a contact to show somebody he was looking at, whether it was an issue of officer was stopping somebody without as you. >> right. it's very powerful both ways for you know for that officer not to have additional -- a number of complaints even if they're not sustained. i know it's an issue and we have seen a reduction in that and when there is a real issue. >> it informs and working with the sergeants and teams and present the data and make it useful and measure weekly or daily bulletins and how this is working so it has a far greater usefulness then what the state is looking for. i have no doubt we can comply with the state requirements given my conversation wses the it department recently but that is

just little tiny piece of the usefulness of this data, and i think that we can be a state of the art police department, a very profl -- i think every police officer wants to do the best and professional job they're capable on doing and we need to give them the tools to do it so we're not going away. we will remain whether you like it or not -- >> we have a couple more questions and then we will wrap up. >> i have a couple of questions and when i was reading it and san francisco doesn't have a uniform system for collection data and it's the case but the phone app -- >> the phone app was developed to rectify that. >> but you mention the warehouse from 2012 and the cable system and don't talk to each other and have hand written form and is the phone app going

to handle this or have an it person having the two systems collaborate? >> i heard today that as a result of this report the hand written report problem is being rectified and the kainl system needs to be retired. everyone agrees it needs to be retired. whether the crime data warehouse is a perfect system? no one. i think that's one of the reasons you need an outside expert to help you make those decisions. right now the app has been design i think in order to comply with the state and the city's requirements going forward. >> all right. >> can i throw something out to answer the question more? we met with the california doj today and demonstrated the app and they were dwept away. they looked at other municipality and l.a. was the closest and far behind. they asked what we have right now for a model for the

state and i agree on that. the data should be the floor, not the ceiling and we're looking at more robust data collection and analysis than what the state is requiring so we will give the state what they're asking for but going forward we have a lot of things we're going to you know hold and get going and working on the sub-committee gave us advance peek to what other agencies were going doing. we were went to san jose and oakland and oakland had the best. >> >> so we stuck with that model and internally we were making changes and they're bearing fruit today as evidenced with the meeting with cal doj. >> i have another question and i understand you're doing a full report next month and the phone is developed by the it and two issues and i will throw it out. do we have it in the budget for a full time manager to

integrate the data bases and stay on top as well as hiring a consultant. and the second thing all of the information to gather is in department bulletins and scattered all around and there is a mention we need a consolidated policy and sets fort-- in the presentation and sets fortexactly what we expect from the data and how it's supposed to be collected as well as the forms and maybe a task force to start working on that -- >> i would call it a team that will address this that will map out the data that you want to collect beyond what state is requiring and how it's useful and what are the policies and writing manuals that will accompany that and that will take work. it will take what we call -- the it's person's words and process process owners and you need people that will own the process and the aspects of it and it worked effectively in

oakland and had different people assigned to different charts and one in risk management and one how you're rolling it out to the sergeants and stations. >> perhaps next month they can address the budget for the personnel and talk about the next step of putting this -- however you -- >> i think the questions would be directed to chief chaplin and next steps. >> right. >> there's definitely a lot to do. and one of the things is because we're short on time we're going to come back. we would love an update in a month and under principled policing bureau, is that right? >> yes. >> and where it would be owned and there is tremendous interest as you can see on the commission to get these systems in place and support that work, so thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i really thank you for doing a great job and paying

attention to this and working with us. >> dr. joe. >> this is more of a statement. us taking this seriously -- i just -- let me just say other than officer involved shootings and use of force and communities of color and the next big thing is what what happens at stops. there is no doubt about it and let's take this seriously and i do know and [inaudible] about this and another person you might not think i am talking to and john burr and what they did in oakland and you know i think it's very good for us to let communities of color -- i will say particularly the black it's something we're really looking at, something we want to do something about. for me it's beyond the analysis. i mean i am just thinking of myself as a young person for a lot of people

in the community policing is shaped by the first time with a officer and usually a stop. we don't get the guys that come into school and read to us and it's at a stop and you probably wouldn't be surprised use of force is linked to that stop in our heads. when a young person says i don't want to be a police officer and it's how that stop is handled and analysis of getting you know fair policing and you know not any desperate handling with minority communities but i see as an attempt to analyze how those stops are handling in the beginning of what i call public relations policing and i don't call it community policing but there's a lot to do here and important that we're looking -- the and high on the list after use of force and what oakland

did with it and necessary to begin -- too bad they had the other stuff and they were beginning to rebuild trust because of the stop data and i i know we're enforcement behind this and i see a lot of good things. >> >> one thing we saw looking at patterns of language. they have looked at that and they worked with our officers to identify this is the trigger language for you. when someone speaks to you this way or says these words you react -- >> i know that. >> and there is information formed by the datd collection so that's the beauty of it -- >> [inaudible] handle all of that if nothing but the whole relationship is established right there from the beginning. >> right, right, yes, so data,

data data. we will bring you back for an update on the progress here in a month. i am sure we will be hearing from the policing principle bureau and hopefully under that report and look to the progress that is made. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> thank you chief. is there anything else in the report?y. report? no. that concludes the report. >> sergeant please call the next item. >> item 1c commission reports. commission president's report. commissioners' report. update on police chief selection process. >> this is an opportunity for our reports. i will report for commissioners' report and the members of the public and the stage for chief is in closed session today and review the 61 applications. we reviewed them individually as which are commissioners. we will discuss them in closed session and decide who will get an interview and after that is scheduled so

that's the update for us in terms of that process. anything from imrt commissioners? >> yes thank you and continuing with our reaching out to the officers what they're looking for in a chief and i was invited to the san francisco police academy friday and i addressed the recruits and maybe more than a hundred and i talked to the class what this commission expects from them and treating them with respect and all of the issues we have been dealing with does receptive and diverse and the proud of the staff and recruiting staff and it's faying off and i talked to every officer and we asked what they're looking for in a chief. they're looking for a leader and somebody willing to make changes. they submitted forms -- it's funny and they stand at

attention and ask them to sit they sit and when they get to the station it changes and thank you chief and some of the staff out there and thank you and it was a great experience to talk with them and they would like to meet with all of the commissioners one at a time and our perspective -- >> who wants to meet us one at a time? >> academy, the recruits. >> i think we will figure out how we're going out there to present. i don't know -- yeah, we will work that out. okay. commissioner malara. >> yes, i met with the ingleside and terraval stations and also with commissioner dejesus met with the officers for justice. a letter has been sent to all of you that outlines the discussion with us because in the interest of time they felt they didn't want to take our time here but the letter is being sent to all of you.

>> okay. >> commissioner dejesus. >> letter was eloquent and talked about what they're looking for and thought into that and change and leading the department especially and implementing reforms so it's a well written letter. you got it in your email. i suggest you read it and it's thoughtful and well done and they gave other ideas too. continuing education of the officers. i think elderly officers and retired officers were there and when you came in and had student loans and worked for the department and were forgiven and continued in the education and put in the letter for the new leader to educate people once they're in the department to incentivize them and come up with ideas and ways to continue their education so the letter is well done. i ask everyone to look at it. thank you.

>> vice presidenttur dislt man. >> and my pleasure to work with the office of citizen complaints to what they thought were some of the necessary qualities and things they were looking for in a chief as well and i want to thank the members of the occ that met with me and that information has been tagged up and presented to the search firm but it was ranging from policy making, assistant to reforms in policies and into creating a stronger deeper partnership between the department and the occ in the work that they do in policing activities, so it was a very thoughtful meeting where i heard some things expressed for the very first time that would make both the department and the occ a better working relationship

so i am glad to have had that opportunity as well. thank you rec hicks and members of the occ. >> last night i attended the firstever ingleside barbecue picnic and incredible. they pulled out all the stops and tremendous community support there and the horses and the weird old talking car like the knight 2000 kit thing and there for the kids and a climbing wall and a barbecue. their point is sometimes at ingleside they feel on the national night out everyone goes to northern and bay view and central and some of the other stations don't get that so they're working on community police scpreaps i really appreciated that and it reminded me and i talked to the chief about that that i think part of the role of the commission is acknowledging a number of the community supporters out there working to

continue to build you know community, safety in what has been a really tough time so i think the commission should look at and request the captains to submit for accommodations of individuals working in the community around community safety and justice in the last month and send to the chief and acknowledge the work in the community. anything further colleagues? okay. so sergeant please call the next item. >> item 1 d and contribution of future items and actions for future. >> sergeant i know we moved over -- we have a number of items on next week's agenda and that item is next week and a host of things in hopper. given the number of items we will we

will have next week's meeting in city hall to conduct business. sergeant anything? just the meeting is in city hall beginning at 530. >> anything further on this matter colleagues? okay. we will have public comment and given the length of the agenda tonight it's two minutes and public comment on items 1 a through d. welcome and good evening. >> good evening. in the interest time i will be brief on the bar association report. go get them. that is exciting and i am thrilled. it will take a while for the data to be perfected and i agree with professor everhart's problem solving approach and next week and you have some data now and far from perfect or comprehensive but there are things to start the problem solving approach even while this is perfected and congratulations and thank you for doing it. on the issue of the occ and the police department agreeing on minor discipline sometimes. i

will get into detail here. it's helpful to understand the background. i was involved in the charter amendment for them to file charges. i know the thinking behind it and the practices and apart of paying attention to the individual cases there is how the discipline system is working collectively and understanding the trends and something i talked about and maybe not with an acting chief but later and using admonishments and it's not discipline under state law under the general order. it requires that you start with discipline and build up and indeed the enpaltsy schedule doesn't mention them at all and mentions reprimand and in the 15 cases that the occ report the you in the last three months no discipline on a sustained case admonishment. especially when you read officers coming back with still repeated behavior after that. this is a topic of

discussion and thinking from the global perspective because it's now going on for some time and not contemplated and at some point. thank you very much. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening and welcome. >> i am shelby and on this ongoing [inaudible] i got the information for the police but right now i am trying to get a report and this is for -- [inaudible] which did try and buy -- [inaudible] wrong direction [inaudible] no one gets this -- [inaudible] and

carry on, the police department -- [inaudible] make things better and some of the rules we have -- different direction on crime and considerations for the police to you know have a better idea on how some of these ways of laws -- [inaudible] which the city you know attorneys and this is where -- this is all [inaudible] for reactions for this whole investigation is all been court hearings and done without me and not even the right perspective what the --

[inaudible] art and music and our point has always -- you know in the different direction because of some [inaudible] my brain cells which is not -- [inaudible] for this -- you know -- [inaudible] >> we appreciate your comments. next speaker please. >> hello. my name is rita lark. i'm over in north beach place. i like to say hello to tony. i write the letters and fax them to you. i the like to thank the north beach police. they have been doing a good job and one request. i would like to see them in foot in the area between the cable car and over by in and out burger.

sometimes at night it's hairy because the youngsters have sticky fingers again and also i would like to know if you can start ms. kowrgar to monopoly me with the re-- help me to the relocation to nevada and it happened to me and the lady in prison her family still harasses me. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker please. >> good evening. i would like to speak so two topics please. the first was academy training and it's great to hear that you met with the class but -- and i think the community would like to see more bias training happening not only at the academy level but also within your continuing education program and not only just that to make sure that there are stages to understand how someone

is compliant or is not in compliance and my colleague karen fleshmans offers that training and delivered to the public defenders' office and i encourage to you keep that consistency so within the auspices of government you have the same training. now i want to touch back -- forgive me if i take a little long because this is my profession on cloud services. while i understand you're not an it prsm i would like to point out that transparency during the process of up dades and access and those things need to be detail the out and made transparent to the community. for example anyone with an iphone knows software upgrades are optional. i want to understand the process that you're getting the upgrades? it would be opted malto have an independent organization with oversight to control access and

aws thent aws thentcasion and things that happen and evening if it's in the cloud and the software keep vendor keeps up with it it's hackable and we need to understand who has police access to it and it would be amazing to have an oversight body independent of the police department in order to ensure the integrity of that data so my question for you is that already in the plans? and if you could share with the community what that would look like. i think i'm out of time. >> thank you. next speaker good evening welcome. >> good evening commissioners. i wanted to address you on a few things tonight. i am concerned about the process for selecting the chief. nothing personal but i believe it should be someone

who is an outsider. it's hard that we can promote from within even if it's ideal and we need someone experienced with a tract record on public safety and speaking of public safety the fact that the police chief has to live in the city. we live in a city separated after bridges and after the loma prieta earthquake they couldn't get into the city and they have to live in the city. it's concerning when the poa give endorsements to somebody and candidates are pun -- running away from it and gives pause they're supporting the interim chief and support this but delaying the use of force opposite and with transparency

it bothers me we don't know about the candidates and their qualifications and we want to know who applied with the tract record and for the body worn cameras i want to know will they be worn by the under cover officers as well? those are my questions and comments. thank you. >> thank you. just a couple of clarifications. one is we can't legally -- based on the california constitution on the advice of the city attorney that they reside in san francisco and you can go back and check. it's not a policy commission by the commission. we said it's highly desirable but not able to say it's a qualification. we had a public process in what we're looking for and in every job process there are reasons it's confidential and we realize it's frustrating. a lot of places they select a chief don't have

a commission but a mayor and a board and it's the system and it's frustrating and there are reasons why we're moving in the way we are. >> i have feedback with the transparency. i think we're going to talk about it and let's put it on the agenda next week it and go to plan b and ask them if they're willing to have their names disclosed and it has to go through the commission and we haven't put it on the agenda yet to do that. >> thank you commissioners. >> next speaker. >> i am karen fleshman and co-founder for san franciscans for police accountability and the mario woods coalition and i am glad to see the civil grand jury report on the agenda and

thank you and want just the crime one and thank you for agendizing it. i have a question for you ms. hicks in the blue ribbon panel it says that not a single investigation of an officer resulted in more than ten day suspension since 2012. >> the public comment is not the opportunity to provide comments but go ahead. >> in the report civil grand jury recommendation eight and the significant recommendation that calls for a joint task of the sheriff's office and da office and occ and da's office and representative of the community that the sequential investigation and you coming in after the fact is not an efficient use of anyone's time

and causing a lot of confusion in the community and we can't regard these investigations as being not biased and i noticed you didn't comment in the letter on the grand jury report and the other question i have for you is what is going on with investigating and disciplining the sfpd officers who engaged with sex with the sex worker in east bay. four oakland police officers have been terminated and eight others disciplined but i haven't heard anything from this commission about our officers involved in it and i encourage transin the -- -- transparency in the chief search. >> next speaker good evening and welcome back.

>> commissioners and ladies and gentlemen of the audience good evening. it's interesting the last speaker brought up about the four police officers in san francisco that had sex with a minor. i'm not here to speak about that issue today. i am here to talk about one item. we had a various police reports today about the number of felonies and misdemeanors in the city and county of san francisco and particularly officers involved in shootings. a lot of the public at large feels this is not just a shooting with a misguided officer but it's murder. anytime you shoot somebody without a gun or you thought he had a gun it's murder. the majority of these police officers are still on the payroll of the sfpd for whatever reason? i don't know. one of the officers that unloaded two

14 pot clips killed someone years ago the same way and on 6th street. i happened to be a block away at that time but briefly i brought today i read both the reports: the occ one -- it makes me laugh my head off and cite officers for technical items but nothing about a officer choking someone in a cell and it's not worth of adjudication. when you read the report i guess want you to also read the about times on the black and white murder problem in the united states done by police officers that came out here a couple of weeks ago. it also goes into police officer trauma because we know it's a tough job, a very tough job. the suicide rate of police

officers is one notch below veterans of the united states army, navy and air force. i leave you with that. >> thank you. >> there's ten copies. you can hand them out. >> thank you. thank you sergeantshaw. next speak. >> thank you for the opportunity to address the commission and the chief as well. i guess as a concerned citizen i travel around the globe actually working with company it is and clients and teams that i help to actually do some -- >> >> i say discrimination and diversity and awareness training and development and it's not just the training part which is more behavior modification but helping them to additional the actions and processes that need

to happen infrastructurely to help people do things differently and this my first time attending was last week and i go around the world doing this stuff and things are happening in my backyard that i haven't paid attention to and that i would like to pay attention and a suggestion to the chief. i know we have the selection process going on and maybe a 90 day process. it may be longer. what is the purpose of waiting to do something now, to do something in the interim? i mean when a took a cursory glance at the blue ribbon report and the civil grand jury report there were common prevalent common denominators that can be done. you don't have to wait for a new chief or you take the official chief role. why not start now? i believe there

were changes cited in the report and the cops report will agree with that and i would like that to start now and in terms of exploring what could be done with the current chief and your leadership team to just start looking at some of the things now before january. thank you. >> thank you. and next week there will be a full report from the policing principle bureau and some you heard tonight and we will get a full r. good evening ms. brown. are you next? good evening ms. brown. >> >> it is one thing to anticipate a death because of old age and sickness -- can i stop. it is another to experience the violent death of a loved one. since 2004 san

francisco has experienced an unprecedented number of homicides. 60% of the homicide

victims are people of color. their loved ones living in neighborhoods of scarcity and neglect must deal with their personal tragedies while at the same time facing the crime and violence of the unsafe neighborhoods that surround them every day. >> if anyone has any

information into the murder of awebrae awecosta there is an anonymous hot line or anyone in the video. >> good evening commissioner, cheap cheap. chief chaplin. this is a comment on the next chief. because mental health working group and intervention board and member i had a chance to meet with every chief since chief [inaudible] because of the training program. of all the chiefs i met the most

approachable chief has been toney chaplin and he was the only one to visit our working group, the only one of all the chiefs in terms get meetings with him and reach out he has been accessible and because of that he has my support. i believe he has the support of many members of our mental health working group in the cit program so i think those are pluses to be considered. i know you have to be a selection process but from my personal experience working with our chief i have been really impress said and i want to thank him for the support of the problem and accessibility. >> thank you. next speaker. good evening sir and welcome. >> tom gilberty, the acting chief is very close to the new

information. not going to fight it. wants to work with it. it's a boone for him and for us especially if what they're saying about data is helpful as it's going to be and the chief's report i wondered would it be impossible to count the number of bullets fired by the police force during the course of a week or in between? i would imagine there are weeks that no bullets are fired you know. it would be interesting. i think it would be good. again the report and when the police -- there's a victim shot by police i think the coroner's report should be part of this commission meeting. i want to thank oakland. it seems like they have crossed the sea. moses has arrived and many men.

i hope the outside expert works with locally grown up kids from our san francisco neighborhood. you have an expert. he should be able to teach what he knows. kids that growing up in this city know the streets better than anybody. let's go into our local recruitment as much as possible. cameras -- i'm going to reopen that again. i believe -- the public need to see the videos. when you hold back video starting with way back when kennedy was shot the only video we have -- all the other film in that place was confiscated by the fbi and we have seen nothing. whoever controls the media, the visual and right now in south dakota and the

pipeline and if they shut down the cameras control the video. >> thank you. any further public comment? hearing none public comment is closed. sergeant please call the next item. >> item 2 and discussion and possible action regards civil grand jury of the fatal sfdd officer involved shootings june 2016. >> i will refer this item to commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you commissioner loftus. we were asked to meet with go over the grand jury report that you have a copy of and we went through the grand jury report. we look the at the recommendations made by the grand jury to the police commission about what given the testimony they heard, some recommendations they had about how we should handle off

involved shootings in terms of publicity and timeliness. >> >> there is a common theme that is transparency and timeliness so we went through the recommendations and we as a commission speak as a whole not one so we haven't had the opportunity to go before the board of supervisors and explain hour position and we need to meet tonight and look at the recommendations and we have ideas similar to what the police department responded to. a lot of the responses are dealing with -- we will wait to hear from the doj and some things are in place and other it is are not possible based upon laws and we will go through this and look at it and i have draft responses that we put together and we could go through them quickly and what you want to do as a commission but the concern with the grand jury is more about timeliness. there is concerns

about town hall meetings, press conferences and it goes towards transparency but there is a strong concern there is not enough information getting out there and more importantly it's taking way too long. we will explain as you can look at this very little has to do with the commission. in fact the timeliness issue goes back towards the agencies involved and candidly the district attorney's office so we could only do so much but before we hear a case the da's has to send in the final letter and something we dealt with so it's anne issue with the commission since i have been on it it takes a long time for the investigations to close. we have seen circumstances and in san mateo county and something about their office and all options and the grand jury want things to move