and commission because the project sponsor will be heard they started with a horrible design by the time it go the to the commission that was plain awful we sent it back we didn't have great guidelines to fit we had the residential design guidelines new i but not applying to potrero hill i'm glad to see this initiate off the ground some of the things i've heard this is going to apply to proprietary zoning district we believe the map is true and correct until someone tells me it shouldn't apply those are the kind of buildings gingko where their 40 or nine hundred fiat long i hope we'll

put from the permeabilireamble process someone mentioned is a good one i know we're hiring a process in the departments it is hard to tell dan schneider what to do while they're working with the processes that are existing coming up with a process 24 a good i take that has a good suggestion by whoever said it nothing is as good as the paper it is printed on needless i can measure it i keep this this is a good start for a new process to document and talk about how projects come to be the way they are a ceqa a check list hey, does this meet with obviously two yes. yes. by the time it comes to the commission we'll

see whether or not a waiver is warranted and see what the departments project - we struggle we're trying to see if it fits the guidelines i know there are other guidelines thirty are said i'd like to see at some point and staff is busting and the seams a two, a-3 and 4 all the thirty that is mentioned a two mentioned in that guideline we can see and smoke out the concern this may or may not sustain the gltz specific to areas and all in one table and intact maybe the coalition can do that for us and staff can look at it by time spent to see how this sewer plants in the worse case anything existing the other thing is i'd like to

ask staff for what you'll consider a waiver so what would a waiver look like we have a dr coming in later on where clearly the rdt said to the sponsor here's the 6 recommendations to make that exceptional or extraordinary and the public did a dr the project sponsor didn't listen this will be a seat belt i want to go to the will commission to roll the today is will i be eligible for a waiver and the difficulty the waiver is therefore, unforeseen

solutions - the problem we've not seen the outside the box. >> thank you remember you're a member of the public and all these i know kind of fears around huge projects and some developer rolls into town and calls the mayor's office you know how the theories go and all of a sudden this project before us and the project sponsor didn't want to follow guidelines how does that work in the theories people have how does that apply to this process. >> let me phrase the theory a little bit differently many projects come in with extensions their design is exceptional and seek expeditions from the guidelines as we have them we try our by itself one the tools we have to basically jarthd if

they're like a bell curve not exceptional but people think that everybody knows their exceptional so they want to roll the dice and as you succinctly illustrated at the point how do you judge is you're a body of commissioners not necessarily everything is related and put in our court without determining whether or not it is exceptional so. >> do you envision. >> the idea it will be used extremely rarely. >> you envision those large projects literally b-12 and 3 we have something to look at it and

in this guidelines didn't apply or is seeking an extension to the waiver process it is phenomenal we have not seen before. >> question don't have that kind of explanation while the department feels this good or bad this is a big step forward for the commission and how we function thank you very much i think question i have sorry mr. winslow maybe not have you sit down. >> how would this fit with the large project authorization is this like a cu those are appealable to the board of appeals is this appeal able to the board of supervisors like a cu what's the plan all the section 3089 and 329 prevail

approval through the zoning district a large project authorization downtown authorization for downtown projects the design guidelines apply and needs to be met. >> if someone has a beef with the design they take it to the board but a beef to lack they don't want a project they go to the board of appeals how does that work. >> i don't believe there are two approvals the design approval goes along with - >> so all big promotions will be approvable. >> nothing those are the guidelines those approval are all remaining the same and the appeal process it the same as of now when we have a building permit people can raise the

residential design guidelines could be part of the argument only an appeal. >> i'm sorry to take so much time i think from folks in the neighborhoods i applaud staff assessing hey, we'll take our time and talk with you with our starting documents i think that trying to go to 99 neighbors and coalesce around common themes is hard you have something to targeting start with neighborhoods saying these should not apply because of special reasons abc d and staff will be coming to the neighborhoods and telling you why you're neighborhoods shouldn't apply and all the guidelines where the conflicts and one of the questions owe have written are we aware of any direction code compliant of guidelines within the thirty guidelines in this document so

that's it something i'll leave to staff to talk about that seems like a valid concern i like the idea of matrixes someone mentioned residential design guidelines so o could be put on hold the question for staff or mr. winslow when staff goes to the neighborhoods i looked at the map to anastasias neighborhood when you talk with anastasia and comes with 20 things will you separate them and get the one or two measurements this one will be great when we do do residential but here's the udg piece i encourage you to take all ferry building so you only have to go out once you folks will have definitely input to i believe

what applies to our neighborhoods some neighborhoods are completely like no orange but some in gray and lastly someone brought of quantify versus qualify it is ugly to me how do you make that has tight as you can mr. winslow quantify versus consecutive. >> one we're trying to quantify what it is in the gentle guidelines what we feels to make things pedestrians friendly and talking about texture and articulation brings it down to the scale a good design feature some is really trying to be more specific about what makes good design from the kind of best practices and really quantify that we have a glossary those terms can be

used differently you say you respect character or compatible we try to unpack that and have that dialogue with the neighborhood groups on the same page in the exact ways that the site design can be responding to the things around it and not as vague as possible and a lot of expertise but obviously everyone has they're on intuition and this is a document to construct put the examples in as best we can about what we agree and find that common ground. >> thanks this is a great starting point to have this process move forward we're out there to say we need it and going back to square one is a complete waste of time and taxpayer money i hope the

neighbors use this is a a starting point and take the time you need to take and get the february and quantify trust me i'll be listening to you something that is valid i'll bring it back to mr. dawson or mr. winslow this is a place to start. >> commissioner hillis. >> just to a quick follow-up on the waiver if i can ask more about that. >> i i mean, i think your discussion you don't plan to use it so why have it in under i guess my question can i give us an examples you have to show an example of where a building got built that would have needed a waiver we again get an example we got a

hypothetical show us a building because somewhere the guidelines are guidelines. >> i'll try on the pot a building i think a lot of us in the city universally regard as a building at the 4 and guerrero built in the early 90s and it defies sculptly makes a vertical modulation like the typical things that independence the top in an untraditional way; right? by >> i don't know if it is is waiver. >> i don't know either. >> it almost seems like a design t is time so far advance not get neatly into the you know the attempt at the

presbyquantify or qualityly how we these guidelines. >> i don't know if this falls under the guidelines. >> a non-conforming use go upstairs over one and 50 foot storefront a foot holds to the design guidelines. >> (multiple voices). >> overwhelms there are a lot of people saying it should be built is there go medicated emotion it is great but would that kind of not - >> that's probably a good

point of discussion here's an institutional use in a residential neighborhood has to have design but others that simply defy it. >> and maybe that's the way to narrow the waiver not for residential project it could be - i've seen institutional use naming - i don't know. i would - i think that is a kind of third railroad i'll be clients to get rid of and call those works up tare innovate waivers. >> just before - think of that another design if you could similar to that that you'll want to have in a residential neighborhood but not neatly fits within the guidelines how will we allow that to occur. >> if you could come up with

that. >> first of all, i want to clarify it was no further our intent this be you know blanket staff level discretionary determination we're a guideline to be waved not an entire document but a particular guideline for extraordinary and unique circumstances and that's. >> preventing having a discussion the more substantive issues in the guidelines are more important apply to 99.9 percent of project the one point percent you know didn't work and i mean, i consider you all should consider abandoning that concept figuring out a way to do that. >> (multiple voices). >> i think the one place i can

think of in existing policies before the urban design element asking for things for contextually compatible things should be part of neighborhood in a more democratic way when for some exceptional or extraordinary specific purpose that is the one thing we're trying to make the guidelines really work with the projects coming out the city; right? we want what we're vooep so o to not have exceptions so make that 95 point - >> a residential project a typical project we see a lot here that's not the one eligible for a waiver; right? >> it should distinguish itself. >> it is less about the use and more about some other

extraordinary quality we're aware of wonderful buildings in our city and so the cities over time that break the rules. >> it would be good - >> you know the broader in whitney in new york or the seattle library more recently projects that are almost more syrupal and architecture in nature but warrants that kind of consideration of not exceptional. >> that is y where they community-based they go afoul that is not necessarily for an institution i cancer that has it move forward the other issue we get a lot of

the residential design guidelines in you know, i think as. >> look at the map on noah valley that has more - you know that commercial corridor is more like the residential areas around that than last week lower potrero so you know there are elements of residential of what you have in the residential design guidelines that apply i think so how does that work? like when is the residential design i don't see them - >> yeah. one thing to take into consideration they were looking at the existing policies the residential design guidelines are one of the things we look at it and a lot of aspects of the residential design guidelines that are concurrent to what it the urban design guidelines we originally we came in january this was a arching documents and

now we end up putting them in parallel and others are embedded they're part of our large policy within the city rehabilitating the context and reflecting the scale and rooftops being through a vantage points so many aspects we looked at residential neighbors familiar and. >> yaltd it is much more detailed talks about certain aspects incast to fame dwelling units and some of the neighborhoods commercial certainly looks at the pattern of they're in a neighborhood commercial we'll be looking at the patterns for the neighborhoods commercial buildings not have exactly the

same niece there are. >> waltzed and really, really work we together. >> what's the residential design guidelines update. >> that's something we'll begin with outreach to the neighborhood groups an initial part of that process not begin without going out and speaking with the public. >> right i think you got to think about whether that's the right- people - again, i think that coal street in coal valley certainly it as retail on the ground floor and work with the streets but elements you know sometimes their typical 25 foot lots akin to what is there and key while we're looking there are

issues everywhere ms. swedish brings up that are legitimate i agree with ms. swedish on the project i disagree on the check list if you looked at that you might check every box but something to me is not right and that's you know design and need to understand if you looked on the block of 20th and van ness there is 4 buildings all of them large-scale residential buildings you you know one middle and 3 older i think the older ones work better and seen residential work better and the architectural areas you got cerebrothe more substantive portions you get it effect if

you're checking off the clear organizing idea and modulated and renders that with the depth and use materials in the neighborhoods you get too much you check all the boxes and end up with the mishmash and every material known to mankind it is articulated here and there and look at the other 3 buildings on the block that were built 50 to 70 years ago they meet a-1 that is clear kind of organizing principle that marches down the street or substantive it works better we've seen new buildings that have that work better than if you check off all boxes that

work i don't know - i agree with all the principles but sometimes not excused well, i don't know where that goes wrong necessarily something to think about also it is good for us to get our process when you committed you're doing the great work in making the projects before they get to us a lot better we often don't see that or they come up in drs and someone sunshines and goes to the file but it is informative and good to understand how projects have improved throat process because they have most times we may want to consider that making that vertebral online so people have the benefits of thinking and going to the process. >> commissioner johnson.

>> thank you very much i appreciate all the work that staff has done i will sort of i think that the design guidelines both the urban design guidelines and the residential design guidelines definitely needed updating and harmonizing and one before the other so to me, see the merits of choosing either one the residential design guidelines we were major parts of the city coming before us and we need urban design guidelines we're looking at the documentsably to compare the philosophy it was citywide that's the lens he look at which one to choose. >> issues that require a more harmtion updated with the residential design guidelines to be useful so there's arguments for both sides you have to pick one only so many resources and hope to get to both of them in a

short-term so we can move on to other discussion about how to grow our city with that said, i think as a false argument to say why not one versus the other it has to happen and my next comments are against - following on with what commissioner hillis said about wanting to see maybe having a little bit more of a background to the prework that was done on the projects part of packet we know the change that went into that and everything happens before that shows up to us i'll zoom in and start off by saying holistically as a commission there a lot of things we do steward of general plan and also project authorizations we do and drs and all taken together a huge skill set required to do

this work as i'll call it we don't get paid and so what that means is that there often skilled direct skill sets to evaluate some of the specific skill sets in people's lives we don't always have architects it on the commission and - but you know we don't have the skill sets i think my next comment on get back to the notes it is when it comes to talking about the waiver that is the crux of my argument where we go with a waiver not a good do but a project that side go against something last week for example, creating or supporting new corridors you have a major

project that will not do that there need to be another avenue to consider that project separately i think a waiver opens the door to too many projects not that streerldz or needle moving to make the argument they can use the waiver and have a hard time hard-pressed to push against that so i don't like the ideas of waivers whatever system we are considering projects not to check every single box with the urban design guidelines i want to see if we can make a system to provide us that opinion on what the finding will be why a project didn't have to comply with some or all projects of the urban design guidelines so whether that is a wafer concept i think can go away or staff dr or whether that's part of

finding as part of other authorizations offender the project i want to have some sort of find a way to have an expert opinion; right? i'm not an architect when you talk about how to harmonize a building scale and materials i'm a layperson i think i know does that kind of do that i'd like to know from an urban designer is that the case and challenge the commission to get it perspective so that is kind of what i would say if i summarize it urban design and architect to make sure we have the finding from the professional views as a commission and not fellowship the waiver requirement and everything that happened all at once but start with the urban design guidelines. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> my next standard we're

getting catch up on the word waiver the thing that helped me this commission debate was the 46 avenue dr that said the residential design guidelines is one of two things and the project sponsor didn't do any of them so don't call that a waiver that is where the design falls short this is our recommendations they should be checking those boxed that would be helpful the law people and most of public is lay people we defer from commissioner moore and look commissioner moore we marginalized you but all kidding aside i think if we can go back and maybe the neighborhoods get rid of the word waiver and reserve reverse the engineer i'll call atrocities i was involved in market octavia and design principles and stood at that speaking area and said this

project looks like an office building in sunnyvale we went to the - take that project and run it through the sausage factory and will it get approved or where 9 design fell short other ones will be the huge building on 24th street and folks can say that's next to the cottage we voted in my hpd photo set maybe commissioner hillis brought up tell us how they'll perform maybe wale feel more comfortable if we're going to catch them tells you where they fall short and not trying to figure out all of that outer. if someone something didn't meet

the criteria it is because they don't want to do it or whatever or this is sfreerldz piece of earth this is why we last week it tells you it is not for the mundane or twreshl for the streerldz and a couple of things so i'm bringing a project for that pennsylvania was one of them we sent it back to staff to redo the design in the neighborhood how does the project meet your criteria does every box have to be approved is there a waiting know i'm trying to do a scientific thing which things should or not apply if i'm a member of the public and feeling december xhofsht

>> when put qualitative this is responding to patterns some places windows will be consistent size and the building materials may be different that's what is important not coming up with a guideline every 25 feet do xyz so in the case of 790 pennsylvania the one. >> the linear. >> two courtyards facing the freeway so guidelines can do some things but not all things the code can do some things the idea tools and decision makers make the things not a perfect worlds that project mod latsd itself by which of the coast

guards breaking up the - by mass by individual entries, by transparent ground floor where the commercial exist that was imply or green not the ends result was not the wholly satisfied design. >> moved from the original design that's another case study but the context boxes with the neighborhoods input and staffs guidance ended up it is a much better project maybe they checked one or two other boxes. >> maybe a box or two more. >> one of the questions one of the things we hear haiti have a project and send it away to the market and my design didn't have to be the same how does it apply to a common denominator -

>> maybe not the - >> maybe try to document that i struggle with that what comes back and the other one is grandfathering we had a project continued in the circle with the design is going on forever will we take that project and run it there or it is gathered that's atrocious that's a tongue in check. >> how will we treat those projects. >> i know that is something to think about. >> that demonstrates a need there is a project that lived within a plan that had it is what it is own guidelines upon applying those guidelines it come applied above and beyond our staff worked i think fairly miraculously to get it to a

point you saw that it was atrocious. >> in the orange. >> yes. but the executive park guidelines. >> that was what was used initially before it came before you. >> i think i don't know about the grandfathering what legal provisions kind of the fairness of the day really. >> a lot good work thank you. >> i think that concludes commissioners questions or comments. >> jonas. >> the commission is going to take a bacteria we have a slow agendas there is a lot of things on the agenda we'll make >> san francisco planning

commission this is the regular meeting thursday, october 19, 2016, i'd like remind members of the public during the proceedings. and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. commissioners, we left off under our regular calendar on 10 ab tearing value i'll be considerably a clufgs while the zoning administrator will be considering the case for a variance good afternoon, commissioners veronica flolz department staff the item before you for a conditional use authorization to allow a change of use for a community facility institutional use on terryville between 44 and 4 avenue the properties located within the r m-1 the mixed zoning

district and a 40 height and bulk district rear yard variance whether are considered by the zoning administrator pursuant to the planning code section 134 the proposal involved the northeast medical services a comprehensive health clinic with health care not to exceed adult medication and pedestrian rick's obstetrics/gynecology and others services if 8:30 to 5:00 p.m. mondays through friday this project will add 6 new employment opportunities and it is speeded that the majority of employees and customers will got to the project site via transit or the subject property building is developed with a first story that covers 100 percent of the lot that is space it vacant but previously a laundromat facility

the project includes a one story vertical addition interior tenants improvement and alterations the project sponsor worked with the department to activate the ground floor by introducing more effects and transparency, evaluating the windows to compliment the adjacent buildings more and introducing more quality materials to date the department has received one letter and one phone call in opposition to the proposal with primary concerns regarding the non-residential land use and parking, enacts to view and light and construction enjoys the project sponsor was productive in reaching it out 9 neighbors and the communities groups and had a community meeting in march 2016 the department recommend approval with conditions and believes that the project is necessary and desirable for the

following reasons the proposed project will increase the primary care medical services for the outer sunset neighborhood and citywide that is stiefshl it a do to the new opportunities for jonts for city residents, the proposed project didn't impact any landmark building and on balance the proximately meet all requirement of the planning code that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questions thank you. >> great, thank you okay opening it up for public comment i'm sorry project sponsor please. >> any good afternoon commissioners hi, my name is johnson wong the chief financial officer of northeast medical services technical issues we have our architect here in that there is technical questions we were created in 1972 and were a

nonprofit federal and state quality health center our mission to serve the mel underserved populations in san francisco and last year 65 thousand patients and we saw every 200 and 65 thousand invites 75 is at or below the poverty level our services include adult medication and obtaining and open try and lab and x-ray and pharmacy services we include such serves as openly anyone else we serve all and turn none away at the sites on terryville why we had to pick the site we have a site four blocks on terryville but the lease was coming up

where approximately, six thousand think patients in that area and we put in our cu for 18 months ago we have met with the neighbors and they were concerned about the parking we told them the majority of our patients are coming through the l terryville line and went through staff planning and residents. >> we are asking to approve our permit. >> opening up for public comment

(calling names). >> before i way of introduction i'm david watching the owner of terryville a duplex i was born and raised in san francisco and my family owned the business for 50 years i'm familiar with the area the institutional structure in that residential neighborhood is not optimal but to introduce excuse me - >> the project introduces large institutional use

structure in residential areas work project violates zoning code requirement not a better idea for this property. >> right now the area is a quiet residential area with limited residential use two blocks from the beach fairly quiet and there's three or four businesses occupied or support the area a diner and hair dresser and a convenience store all businesses have small footprints and enhance life in the bottle community the institutional facility will

detract from the neighborhood the proposed project will distract and drive the area to commercial use and bring traffic incremental and a transient population into the vicinity the project will adversely effect the hours because it will force owners like me to go to commercial use as i have anymore difficulty attracting attendance to the building it will make more business sense thank you planners have a fiduciary duty to protect the homeowners and to protect the zoning restrictions and require the requirements are met planners have a duty to protect

landowner from land lease violations as a stands now the area is zoned r m-1 as you've heard this requires a conditional use authorization. >> your time is up. >> it is one thousand yards away and sponsored by a san francisco board of appeals official which i feel introduces a clvrlt. >> sir, your time is up. >> if you want to submit my kind of documentation you can do that and commissioners may ask i for questions. >> thank you. >> i have your e-mail i'll submit. >> sir, your time is up. >> you can find the e-mails on

the website. >> next speaker, please. >> (inaudible). >> thank you, marcy step there is so much material ♪ application is completely false or grossly misleading he can't talk about if 3 minutes that is project is a 2 story building that is false you have a picture of if in front of you with another on the reverse does show this to a kindergartener and the building on the left is 3 stories and on the rights how tall is the one in the middle the developer says the current height it 22 feet this is false your own preservation team correctly states the structure is a one-story building in which the frond facade is the porn's of a 2 story building that the building is 10 feet topping at all that will triple the height

the project sponsor claims to have outreach stating a preapplication occurred i had no notification of my any simple meeting and no knowing of this project until the hearing notice was posted a few weeks ago in will reduce the yard space the developer admits the present building is non-compliant doesn't meet the code the building is too big for the lot it occupies no matter what ruling it will have zero percent yards space the applicant states the height and bulk of the proposed project will be in keeping with other building on the block that is outrage you can see from the sanborn map this is the only one with no yard space that is by the aerial map if it is expanded

3 times it will stand out as otherwise a residential city block filled with trees and flowers northeast medical services this new clinic will provide needed services and for the dlup the facilities this is false two additional clinics there are website list 7 one 5 minutes away ton terryville street as to this no off-street parking that will have not adverse effect on parking in the neighborhood you can judge i ask you to totally defiance this at the least postpone the ruling until the developers provide adequate information i will further urge you to view the site to engage the impact of this ill-advised unwanted and

non-complying structure thank you . >> (clapping.) >> excuse me - folks no or applauding. >> that's a tough act to folly live drot across the street i represent other people in my building that can't attend as well as the woman in the beauty - as to the initial meeting no notice given to most of immediate neighborhoods only two one of the neighbors that tell me of the meeting and other neighbors marcie that lives next door didn't receive the next door and others didn't receive notice a on this one person in our 12 story building received notice of meeting 5 of us at the meeting our concern a parking

and the facility it much smaller coming out today we were concerned about parking there saying 6 thousand people that is preposterous to think these people will arrive by the terryville or on foot it will not impede of impact the traffic that is false i have to look at my notes what will happen even if they painted the zone in front of the building white for drop-offs you'll get people double parking that will stop the traffic from burke to move forward especially a muni twrap that will be a problem it will impede muni for example, it is good wide for muni and will block the traffic the people in terryville will not get off a stop they have to

go to the end and take something like ready wheels to get to the facility some of the other things that will be a 2 story and 3 story buildings we were told 2 and the third limited to offices now zoning and services they'll provide and it is as i discussed caused i causing interference with traffic it as laundromat it serves all people much more pedestrian traffic other traffic because of the laundry mats are for people that don't have a washer and dryer that most of i i live across the street we live on the coast they walk their laundry now we have to take a

car to noriega and the building on 39 is for sale the laundry the other ones are over worked as the machines breakdown they're not in good shape and not clear they'll be open. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> i live on terryville street for 12 years i object to the construction of the project for reasons first of all, we were not notified it was a false i live two doors away from the property and heard nothing about it as previously stated a duplicate facility 4 blocks away it is a quiet

residential area that is as people said and bring in more traffic and activity cause traffic jams because of people loading and unloading in front of the facility also that the fact it was misrepresented in the example 2 stories not months most of the parking go - limited parking in our neighborhood it is a premium and pedestrian safety people loading and unloading vehicles in front of the facility a few things i want to reiterate and this wrong approach for the said reasons thank you.

>> my name is a katherine i'm a member of ms i've lived thirty years ago lived in the area there about 10 blocks from where their proposing this moving it is important for people in the area to be able to have access to a local place they can continue they are medical care and ms is there quite a while so thankful moving the building a couple of blocks it is important that people have access to it a two, that in terms of the parking and the how people get there a lot of people live in the neighborhood they will walk or take public transportation could be an issue not so much it's been out there to me, i'm

encourage you to approve this this is open for the first year from monday through friday from 8:30 to 5 not impact people that will not impact people on the wednesday in terms of parking or too many people being around and ms provides medical care for people of all income levels and it is important that people that live there locally families the children, the elderly, the seniors big deal being able to access medical care without goes across town i ask you to approve that. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment on this item not seeing any, public comment is closed. and commissioner vice president richards. >> i'm sorry you already spoken. >> you only get one shot.

>> maybe a question. >> i guess one - i'm a little bit confused i was in the back getting water, etc. but one of the speakers indicated she said there are 7 clinics in the city i looked at that up one in the thirty - another 2308 terryville will that replace that one please, sir. >> yeah. that's the clinic that is losing it's lease. >> how many clients does if serve and between noriega and terryville 6 thousand and what are the issues you've experienced with traffic and all the things. >> at the current terryville no issues i don't have have map of that parcel it is in the middle between residences or all businesses. >> there's businesses i believe on the corner and residential. >> okay. your you bought

residential. >> there's a residential on each side. >> there used to be a laundromat. >> like where you want to go to. >> i'm sorry the place that is shutting losing it's lease. >> residential on one side and commercial on the other side. >> thank you >> commissioner hillis. >> can i follow-up and ask about the health issues that were raised here like. >> sure. >> i mean not waterproofs clear how tall is the interior. >> maybe i'll let and okay. >> commissioners frank speaking for the project the existing structure is a web story structure the front of the building is absent over 20 feet this proposed use will reduce

the height of the ground floor, add a second floor only two floors this is a medical use our floor to floor height are greater than a residential use it will be 32 feet high. >> so your two stories. >> if you look at the elevation you're the same height as - >> the residential you're up 30 feet and 32 feet. >> what's the floor to ceiling. >> there's an parapet there so it is approximately 13 feet per floor. >> okay. >> commissioner moore. >> i want to go through the exercise of having us talk through neighborhood serve laundry is at the degree of

intensity the medical office is neighborhood serving that is clear from the depression but it is intensity is x plus one there is an impact the second question i'm asking a statistic building with a laundry is morning is you wait for your machine to we've seen what this is like the medical office building is more active and what struck me on drawing two 01 i see a balcony terrace with planters on the roof the character of that building is somewhat deft from the statistic building and perhaps why do you see the necessary even though of this balcony at the end of corridor you all turn to drawing you see

the blanca you describe it to us and he necessary even though the one concern i have i say this each thursday privacy of looking back into the other units although the site plan didn't clearly show the end of those buildings i have to assume that we are beyond the extent of the drawing residential building; correct? >> correct. >> the ground floor houses most of medical few minutes ago part of their mission expanding into wellness program the second inferior floor has part of that use and some of the administrative use so the employee spaces are towards the back the 2 floor and front on the roof deck and the planning is at the south part of that building. >> when you look at the

elevation that is drawing the bottom drawing you see the residential building on either side having extensive windows and the concern this commission has if people stand think outside the box 0 small balcony and look back i credit that an intrusion into the other people's privacy if this is a residential building we will obviously hold the this to a common lien because we are doing alternating a anniversary compliant building with non-compliant compliance there are issues i want to tone down to make that a statistic and light and air camtc there the window easy the balcony is complicated it further actuates that we adapting a building that originally was not a residential

building would you - do you believe that balcony is necessary for existing i don't know. >> it was provided as an amenity for the staff you know as open space people will be housed there during our workday and that's what it was provided for if you're suggesting we eliminate the balcony my client would consider that one of the other things we've done as part of review process we did match the lightwell to the building on the east. >> well, that's a requirement no matter what i don't expect that is a bonus we discuss it every week but in the best of all worlds the house is short and

provideed a green space people at least over the weekend will have a greater residential contribution by an open space but during the week it could be a place even your own clients can sit and have a cup of tea whatever you are consuming in the medical environment but the building itself with that roof terrace is a little bit to aggressive i'd like to see that the commission considers bringing it back into a quieter building i suggest we ask for some modifications here you don't believe you can do a ground floor open space; right? >> no the program is limit as it is i think that for them to operate a clinic they need functions and at this time i

believe to rove part of non-conforming structure at the ground floor. >> would you animate those ground zero in some form to have green indeed it is a more residential friendly building relative to the side elevation. >> you know planting, of course, we would you. >> i see the necessity of smaller medical facilities we know the crunch with an expanding city i personally don't see that has a negative but tune the building to be more community no balcony, windows okay. because they need light and air in the offices but there will be scarf kind of the adjustment i can support and

make a motion to make a motion of intent what do we do. >> if you wish to amend the project you can simply approve the project with those amendments or conditions conditional use authorization. >> i oppose 24 as a motion but suggest ask the rest of the commission to comment those are the minimum modifications to make this a more neighborhood friendly building. >> i agree. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i guess a question for the zoning administrator we'll have the changes of use on broadly and pacific and pdr manufacturers can we have a non-conforming structure and getting a cu for a commissioner tang of use any requirement to make that more conforming or make that conforming. >> no. >> great. >> your second go - sir.

>> yes. >> so you've heard so for with the discussion you had another something you wanted to mention. >> i wanted to mention owe wasn't ware. >> speak into the mike. >> i wasn't aware the facilities one thousand yards away was closing down but two other clinics on noriega one block away from the proposed seat there are other facilities in san francisco. >> thank you. >> so just to be clear commissioner moore you are making a motion to approve the project as proposed with the amendment. >> jonas before you do that you have one more chance. >> i want to make sure that was the roof deck i said to eliminate. >> i want to make that clear i have nothing at all against the medical facility but the out

ravages size of the building you have to see this building from the backyard and see what that looks like to the neighborhoods all i'm asking is you look at it from the angle of the people that live there thank you very much. >> probably that balcony is there to fulfill the 25 percent yard says that a roof is not a yard and balcony is not a yard. >> sorry jonas. >> yeah. he said to say i understand commissioner moore's concern i'm looking at the drawing and seeing a couple of things first of all, a lot of the rooms especially on the ground floor will have to be be handicap assessable and need to be larger than normal rooms to facilitate a wheelchair entering the room and being able to maneuver around the room this going goes for the reception

area the restrooms, the hallways and even all the examine rooms so i'm seeing that justin the footprint of the building that and not have a problem with the deck in the back right next to the breakroom i'll see 2 used for the employees and only maybe a couple of times a day seeing the hours of use are daytime business hours that's what i'll seeing and i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> commissioner hillis. >> a question on the variance is that for the existifirst flo >> the building is non-conforming because of use that occupied as non-complying

that encroaches the rear yard that is non-compliance in variance for the ground floor the variance is required for the second story it encroached in the rear yard by 20 feet. >> what's your sense of belonging your opinion on the variance. >> well, i be given the use and given the additional will be code compliant reduce the deputy of that level by 20 feet but build up and add another story in this case having the building spends to the required rear yard the building is existing non-complying another on the block 3 doors down but at one level will be a better alternative. >> okay. >> and i mean we've seen those before we understand the

concerns of the neighborhood and got a neighborhoods serving institutional eye in a more residential area 2450 terryville has commercial uses on it and optimistic there is impact that is intenseing that - i'm specialist of commissioner moore's suggestion it encroaches the backyard that is encroached on. >> commissioner moore. >> mr. offramp may i ask it is a rhetorical question your color scheme and material scheme the certain modulation and the pelosi of the facade is what you're thinking of we're not getting a building because of makings is it is not - i like. >> commissioner moore. >> he went through a number of

iterations and the current texture was worked with the previous presenter on the guidelines. >> and the all day long the green we're softening the structure to the extent it comes to something that is easier to blends. >> seismic. >> a question mr. fong i'm looking at the property map for the site exciting in the neighborhoods and it says commercial and residential and 5 thousand one plus square feet how much bigger is this clinic than the clinic that exists mixed use site and i'm not familiar perhaps mr. fong can

answer. >> the site at terryville the seat is four rooms i believe four rooms 5 to 18 hundred square feet. >> this is an expansion of service to your client the previous sites served 6 thousand. >> the 6 thousand is in zip codes. >> i'm sorry. >> so the existing site are you able to serve our client with the two sites. >> right now the tow noriega sites are fully lowest and impacted we have a thirty day wait. >> that will prevent a long jam - >> definitely it would increase assess. >> mr. fong we had a neighbor

say we should look at the this it is built up on the back we have 3 drawings in the front not in the back do you have any of those to show us. >> in terms of the those i don't have that, sir. >> i'm a little bit worried about the effect we're going to have a 2 floors back pretty far they extend beyond commissioner moore beyond the two structures on the east side one of the lots on the east side those are is a structure in the rear yard at the rear property line. >> how much longer favorite that beyond the structure. >> the width is smaller but to one to the east approximately twice beyond them. >> and the west is less than 12 feet.

>> yes. and it is a two-story structure to the west i believe i'm 12e789 probably in the neighborhoods of 16 feet beyond them. >> okay. the neighbor that brought up the issue a 12 foot extension your next door and i'm directly joining that building i'm the 3 story house the same as the 2 story hues they're building. >> so a 12 foot additional blank wall. >> i resisted bringing up issues like 9 view and sunlight i'm have a 3 story huge wall now this steps outside the box all the way to the backyard you have to see it in person that's all i have to say. >> in fact, my vision is right of as well. >> i guess mr. fong to

alleviate the neighbors i live in an apartment building that had a canyon effect may be bringing that back and adding height just a janitorial room office use if you're indicating whether we will consider going up to the third floor i think that meet be further opposition to that during our discussions and i'm sorry the neighbor to the east did in the attend but notification was provide and said to the adjacent. >> ma'am, excuse me - folks and - >> that was verified through the department whether they received i cannot

guarantee that by the notification went out we received in discussion with san francisco aging & adult services commission staff concerns initially about the let that was addressed in terms of the matching lightwell i had offered through staff to be able to meet with them but not able to arrange that in the timeframe. >> one other question given this kind of opposition here and some issues with maybe with carpeting be done will it be a benefit to meet with the neighborhoods to get the program in a building more acceptable to them. >> based on the comments i'm not sure the question that whether we go

3 floors and reduce the second floor a can of worms. >> but explore that i want this to requester go forward any not 100 percent in the neighbors favor by maybe one or two weeks. >> we'll do what the commission thinks. >> i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say thank you for your cannedness. >> appreciate finding middle ground as commissioners that reminds me of a pacific avenue prestige an unusual lot that went all the way to the back if urban design recall what we did is create a terrace deck as the

project sponsor here has done i think that is sort of the best and generous move to provide that peak of light for the neighbors i'm still in not in support of a continuance but in support of commissioner moore's suggestion keeping the deck but to soeflg it as best we can. >> commissioner hillis. >> just a followup commissioner vice president richards question we competent have the property lies with the adjacent neighbors on here and understanding how far your building goes back beyond the existing two on either side just a question for you on the you know is there a way to bring that back given you're in an area requiring a variance on the second floor and going back relatively significant amount to

the adjacent buildings 5 feet can accommodate that deck release that will impact the programming but a breakroom and office back there that maybe be able to be accommodated with a little bit less encroachment. >> would you like to reflect on the conditions. >> the drawings you received were earlier drawings in the intern staff and i have been establishing further information that we have. >> verna department staff to cleaver the matter in in question this stems from the rear wall. >> want to clarify. >> thank you. >> so he required mr. fong to

provide this information so here he is a dimension of 26 feet 10 inches beyond the adjacent neighbors rear property wall. >> second floor. >> the second floor? >> could a can you outlined that. >> that is 26 feet. >> two stories. >> one story for the new vertical addition. >> so that will be from the imprudent up the existing building plus the story on top of that. >> sir you're out of order not for the public but the

commissioners. >> sorry. >> you, you guys public comment was open it is closed and now it is commissioners have a chance to deliberate and ask questions not an opportunity for the public to come up unless you're asked to speak. >> it is 26 feet on one side yes for the neighbors to the east. >> on the one side the second floor addition how far. >> it is a very small additional marginal amount. >> that's the dimension yeah. >> in fact, he was incorrect on the first one. >> just to clarify where's the variance line on this - >> lastly around the longer

line with the 45 rear yard requirement the average was not helping the situation that will be according to the 45 percent requirement. >> commissioner moore. >> yeah. i've been looking at the lot to fourth whether or not we can pull the extension beyond the demising line with the other buildings in a little bit to give a little bit of relief but a 25 foot lot that is clearly a residential lot it is difficult to do st. mary's height goes for the touch building that have they need a minimum of 10 feet clearance floor to ceiling; right? >> yes, ma'am. >> there's some dimensional and other con transparency that make that difficult commissioner

hillis to tweak the building to the extent it may resemble the thing 67 lot feet width we can punch but we can't. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you so, i mean i'm - i think that the rub is if we're not going to try not to impact 9 programming of the building we want to maintain the community facility tweezer not questioning who they'll serve we have go choices we can start eliminating piece of of the second floor deck which to me is on top of a non-complying building i'm not sure what that gets in terms of reduce the have them go higher; right? to maintain that so i don't know that we're pleasing

around with inches here and unfortunately, we're not dealing with the demolition and build something new that is a 25 foot lot i'm not sure what we can do i believe that the project is fit for the neighborhood and a good community facility no reason not to keep the services in the neighborhood i'll make a motion for this project. >> there's a motion to approve the project. >> oh, but commissioner moore had a change to it. >> she was suggesting mitigating the impact of this roof terrace with planters or other means and . >> yeah. let's do that. >> i have a double. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> you know i absolutely hear what he everyone else is saying give me what the project sponsor a week to see if there is

anything that can be done to mitigate the impact of the building i absolutely support a clinic at it site and anything that can be done i'd like to see you sit down with the neighbors and overtime to make a position to continue it for two weeks. >> there is a motion that has been seconded to continue this for two weeks. >> commissioner moore. >> i like to ask mr. fong and the project applicant a questions are next item is for the same organization also represented by you of the facility that proposes a light use like facility the question it is it be possible and i'm not at all familiar with the programming that flies the building to shift the program to

have relief to the adjacent given this is residential minimum lot in san francisco 25 by one hundred is a standard lot in this town is there a possibility just a question to substantiate this is would be continued to shift programs and balance it out in a manner that is less impacting on this particular group because the question i have to ask myself if i live next door what will happen owe have to ask myself that question. >> (clapping.) >> i'm not trying to be a hero but the question commissioner vice president richards is asking the same question i assume we are all support a clinic or is it a little bit smaller can the application

coming up in 5 minutes same client and organization can this balance this one is not as impacting. >> would you like a response. >> i'd like to have a response. >> the two clinics at different sites are serving different zip codes and that's the basis upon which the deed a determined for the spending. >> the oceanside that is clinically coming up is a different type deed and has a different size you'll see versus this one if you want to have to see if there's a further accommodate we'll be happy to meet the question is whether elements of this can be shifted to the other

is that wouldn't work. >> i'm kind of speechless i've not heard and admit we've not heard that medical service or the discoverer are restricted by zip code i have to twrafl across town to get where i'm going. >> the depreciation of need for the grand funding is by zip code. >> oh, the funding. >> okay commissioner hillis. >> just to speak on a continuance i too support i mean it is a good use here it is appropriate but i didn't understand the level that kind of went back into that rear yard and we grappled with these in the past that will be good to give us

room to look at 35 stories or maybe some reduction in the floor to ceiling heights could mitigate some thought that to the back potentially other costs elevators up to the third floor and this contextually a building large a building that encroaches into the rear yard but a little time to speak to the neighbors and see if we can reduce the encroachment of the rear. >> commissioner johnson. >> thanks yeah, we'll see where the motion to continue goes i'll say that my comments were actually made in context with knowing the next item was coming up we'll be looking at the agenda the other project authorization avenue is nearly 45 millions from this one open terryville i consider them citywide but not

adjacent you can switch programming from one to another i consider them separate that's where my comments were coming from and not interested in projects reducing the programming but i think a benefit to the neighborhood the people you serve and the city so it is the continuance motion passes and you want to look at an additional story that's fine but not interested in a project that reduces the programming. >> commissioners although the motion to approve came first, the notation to continue procedurally supercedes that on that motion to continue this to november 3rdrd. >> commissioner hillis commissioner johnson no commissioner koppel no ask commissioner melgar no commissioner moore commissioner vice president richards and commissioner president fong no that motion fails three to four commissioner johnson commissioner koppel

commissioner melgar and commissioner president fong voting against shall i call the question? the next motion on the motion to approve to mitigate the roof terrace with planters or another means and commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar commissioner moore commissioner vice president richards no commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes 6 to one with commissioner vice president richards voting against administrator, what say you? >> on the variance, close the public hearing and grant the variance. >> commissioner moore. >> can i remind you too add the fact that we talked about green trellis on the two-story wall. >> that will be to investigate the possibility it was a zero lot line building any planting

on the adjacent properties that will be working with the adjacent property owners to landscaping very good commissioner that places us on item 11 on ocean avenue that conditional use authorizati authorization. >> good afternoon, commissioners veronica department staff the item before you for a request for a conditional use authorization to allow a change of use to a medical service and social service establishment and allow a size greater than 4 thoughts square feet on ocean avenue with an intersection of ocean and merry mar avenues located within the ocean avenue commercial transient disability and a 45 height and bulk

district please note it medical services are principally permit on the first and second floors and so today, the commission is passed with reviewing the proposal for an establishment and the proposed size the item before was recommended to the northeast medical services and similar to the item before including primary care and pedestrian ice cream and among other services the the subject property building is currently ventured with a one story commercial building was previously a restaurant the project includes a two-story vertical addition and horizontal addition think the ground floor and interior improvements and alterations the project sponsor was proactively working with the department to activate the

ground floor and adjust the windows to compliment the neighborhood and introduce more quality materials the project sponsor was tree prosecute active in reaching out to the neighbors and interested community groups the project sponsor host a community meeting in november of 2017 and also met with the ocean avenue association in addition to the initial neighborhood meeting to date the department has more than 27 hundred signatures in support and 5 hundred were received after you are packets were distributed and additionally the department has 9 letters or e-mails in opposition to the proposal including the ocean avenue association primary concerns are the design and lack of street activation on the general proposal the department also has a petition with 15 signatures which address the concerns of

parking, impact to light and construction noise the department recommends approval with condition as believable building this is necessary and desirable for the following reasons consistent with the ocean avenue nct and the comparable service for the immediate surrounding neighborhood the appropriately project will increase the primary care medical services to residents in the neighborhood as well as citywide and on balance the project meets all applicable requirements that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questio questions. >> project sponsor please. high commissioners, i want to add a couple of things in that for this site we're going to have adult medication

pedestrian ice cream and what we plan to do at the site really increase assess because of our impacted site on the san bruno and stockton site we'll have a number of meetings with the merchants association and tried to incorporate some of the designs we've gone through 7 iterations including overseeing requested by the ocean avenue merchant association one of the issues that they wanted us to look at on the ground floor to put a restaurant or tepee if i know on three feet openings putting a restaurant or that touch retail on the programs can't be accommodated we had other issues including noise of construction and tried to alleviate that so we're

requesting approval the cu application thank you. >> thank you opening up for public comment. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm dan weaver the organization is community benefits district not a merchant association so we're a you know what a community benefits district it first, i want to say as in the case on terryville there is have little outreach to residential groups i think that is why you're have very few neighbors who even know about the project i guess there was some paying attention going on breathing in front of the site or near if that seems peculiar

for the outreach to the people was minimal and inadequate we don't oppose the project we think that is a good addition to the neighborhood we just want to activate the ground floor i've been talking to mfshgss trying to continue this the most recent proposal out of 25 hundred square feet that will be on the new ground floor we set aside nine hundred square feet for an inactivate use well, that's our perspective on that we're not trying to make that project go away we're trying to activate the space the hundred and 65 storefronts mostly old an old buildings are increasingly not active spaces the number of spaces we have on ocean where you can go

and buy something and it can take that home is 4 out of one and 65 that number keeps on going down that was angle activate site not going to be according to these plans this month two of our fine businesses that closed are replaced not what a retail use with office uses a law office any example that keep on going on ocean avenue and coming along nicely but especially the old building we're losing the neighborhoods commercial part of that and estn up with offices and other things that aren't commercial wall paper factories many kinds of things and building companies that keep their doors locked sea their screens down i won't reads the

priority general plan but number one talks about keeping the traditional retail uses in place i think this is an example what we're trying to do it exactly that. >> so i ask that you postpone this to continue your discussions. >> good afternoon afternoon my family and i live in the property. >> can you pull the mike closure. >> my neighbors couldn't make that but signed the petition for those of us that signed it we live directly next to the proposed building are on the adjacent block we've been the ones impacted the most if this construction takes place

so through the past years on ocean avenue we've seen a lot of construction with all the 3 story buildings that have been put into our area every new building that wants to come in wants to be a big 3 story building and in reference to commissioner vice president richards said a mammoth building this kind of swallowing up the two-story homes that are residential i have the neighbor that lives deregulation to the right of the proposed building on 1441 they have a - i was talking to neighbors a lot of expectant mothers and have exchanged e-mails with the project sponsor but our bigger issue we don't want the construction at all if they want to put 1 on ocean avenue it is

better down a few blocks where there are more medical buildings as opposed to a place mr. tdr more families and homes we are also concerned with the parking sidewalks as 9 thousand patients that will be coming in that is definitely will is angle impact on the residents living there right now and there is many in the sunset an noriega and now the proposed on terryville and daily city all about a 10 to 15 minutes away it is not necessary to have another 1 on ocean avenue so we the residents of ingleside say this will create a nuisance i hope you take our concerns zooks

intlooks. >> i'm a member of the nun and a resident of the district 11. >> i'm a senior they are ms member i'm living in district 11 for over 18 years every time we are a low income family every time you go to doctor you need to far away so we have - also the seniors they need to go into the doctor to take the streetcar to market street and all the way transfer to the bus to the chinatown all going to sunset we are low income family can't afford to own our own car we take the public translation transportation so all the

seniors so they can more easy to get the service thank you. >> my name is kathy wolf again, a ms member have roots in the ocean avenue area for over 35 years gone to church my home based church and took any son we go in the neighborhood i know a lot of people in the neighborhood and a lot of them h of them low income not a lot of clinics deeply like it is difficult to go across town so i would encourage you to approve this is important that people given choices to go locally instead spending hours for

doctors appoint it is important for he recalls and disabled people it would be nice for people to walk down there instead of getting on a bus and going clear across town ms provides good services and i appreciate and people appreciate your approving this prolong thank you. >> i work for ocean avenue a small business program manager along the avenue ms provides a good service in the neighborhood we want the commission to do is recommended ms to go back to ocean avenue and the neighborhood and have an open dialogue with the community we're slowly seeing ocean avenue

retail spaces disappearing we have one sherman wells williams and one other shop and a dead block and to own another building 4 buildings down we are afraid in the future that they will expand their services and that will completely kill the block so we're there for residents along ocean avenue to go visit that block it is a commissioner melara corridor we're trying to preserve the retail uses to activate for community use that's all is there any additional public comment? >> okay not seeing any, public comment is closed.

>> commissioner vice president richards. >> i don't want to be mike i pushed the bottom. >> it looks like there might be can you tell me mr. fong or the director how does the pharmacy operate. >> how well, we have a pharmacy that is open to members but to the public. >> okay. it seems like you might have been reach and your outreach for concerns and issues why not put the pharmacy on the first floor if i want to buy a drug open to the public. >> what we found the medical services are more efficient on the ground floor where we have 2 programmed out and so what happens it from an efficient standpoint we'll see more people

in a much more efficient manner this in this site. >> i'm looking on your programming a lobby with a lot of calories and people need to sit here and storage and steps you how many square feet it the pharmacy. >> i don't know exactly. >> 200. >> the question no way to fit the pharmacy no where on the ground floor with chairs and a storage area, no way to fit that into make that active open to the public and get the cds

concerns it seems logical. >> part of discussion when the layouts were developed involved their operational efficiencies between the number of doctors and the medical providers they have and the number of examine rooms this drove their direction in terms of that touch efficiency to aggregate all those on the ground floor if you're question is whether the pharmacy can be on the ground floor it is possible. >> and could be a really good solution to all the concerns. >> yes. that is that effects our operations. >> i throw that out there and i'll see what my fellow

commissioners have to say but obvious to me. >> commissioner melgar. >> thank you. i actually had some comments since i'm familiar with that corridor i don't - and it was not for you but mostly for the ocean vs. folks i don't see where the data from retail establishments decreasing can you sacrificer where that is coming from there is two new building on the other side there is little affordable housing avalon and the mercy building and the whole foods a cafe and a place where it was another retail so you know self-seems that having a medical

use building that brengz people to that block will then want to shop for anything would be a good thing. >> the oxygen pizza was not a hot not. >> we'll get a great pizza place the new buildings mercy housing avalon are very successful mercy housing we worked with them and they're getting a number of a couple new restaurants and phil's coffee and avalon a supermarket that go the old building the one and 60 of them are storefronts not buildings mostly open is ground floor where the traditional uses are disappearing and the offices

are coming or all kinds of silly they know and peculiar ways to try to sell are your business or not sell your best the buildings are fine the 8 or 9 plain clothes of the old commercial district we're concerned with. >> interests a relationship with the customers and the success of the business so having uses if in their innovate necessarily restaurants or retails but that brings people to the corridor he helps the existing businesses that are doing well and we agree i agree with that go let me talk about the 19 hundred block south which is the everything side terrace double block of ocean avenue that he they have 3 storefronts by a woman that tries not to rent them out when approached you have to put in a

new sewer system and put if a new electrical system those 3 storefronts are a disaster a new paint steer that is empty after 9:00 a.m. and had a wonderful frame shop and posters or print gallery which is now going to be a law office two of the stores we had a tack could the manager of that place wants 70 thousands to get the key (laughter) and there's no pledge allegiance system in it still all those little things are creating a situation on that double block

with little retail and when 9 retail goes away the opposite of success breesdz success is failure fwreedz failure and always trying to get morality spaces but that particular block an example of a failed block and shouldn't be it has a great neighborhood behind that. >> commissioner hillis. >> just a question. staff on the cu i believe it is a entity different than terryville the cus for the third story not necessarily for the use on the ground floor >> correct so the primary use for ms is the medical services on the first and second floor but your; correct we're looking at the thirds floor proposal for the social service establishment and also the east side so they

have the secondary supporting services health education and nutritional classes the aspect on the third floor requires the cu. >> this use could be in the building without a cu. >> correct if that's the access a proposal in front of us it is strictly a two-story proposal this would go not require a cu but require neighborhood notification. >> - less than 4 thousand square feet. >> the eliminations of the thirds floor we'll be under that and the opportunities for a discretionary review to be filed and we'll be in front of the commission. >> okay. and can you answer i'm sympathetic to mr. weaver he's done great work a long corridor longer than most corridor and residential it is

facing challenges but why you know in many commercial corridors he's talking about office use is that a permitted use ♪ corridor >> for offices i'll have to review again look specifically for office professional services in an nct i believe they will be but take the time to marble mr. washington can fill in. >> i believe that is permitted on the second floor but typically not a ground floor use. >> mr. weaver the discussion of third floor use office or i mean is that an enforcement issue what is your take on that.

>> let me talk about the law office that is moving in they bought the building their move on in a change of use is required over-the-counter when a building company basketball what use tobacco a really interesting foreign video store and converted the steer into an office that is sealed up and closed all the time and locked we checked. >> found out they have a permit to do that none in the neighborhood was ever notified we would video tried to stop it seems like anyone that wants to do it little wall paper place is locked and the marijuana clinics that look like jails so the old neighborhood was a lot of old buildings turning subordinate less and less retail space the

tack replace. >> it was harder to shoo in a place because it was not a separate lock to work around that that was a little bit more difficult so i'm going to agree with commissioner melgar you need customers i think that what is better retail use is better than that a construction office or a legal office where i don't have a significant number of customers and visits that may go to the taco place. >> they're good customers they

see something good they go for 2. >> you have a longer corridor with the rh1 density not you know where you have the density but beyond that apartment buildings with many more people so you know this said i'd look into the other uses that maybe in violation of the code but i think here you know difficult for us to shoo horn in a retail establishment on the ground floor i mean certainly will encourage the folks to you know look can commissioner vice president richards which had in moving the permeate that could be more active and visitors to go to that ground floor if possible. >> hard for us to figure out their program. >> there was an active use before you, say can't you just say we want on active use to continue and build