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>> i'm done thank you. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you yeah. >> a case by case backed up by policy we've adapted and when i look at you know the c-3 district with residential and uses permitted i think there is a discussion to be had around there around what are we encouraging above the ground floor and the c-3 district i think we had that actual discussion before by the go off assessing one project is okay. and another one is not for that reason i'd like to continue the
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project not necessarily disapprove that they'll not be able to come back for 12 months we don't need 12 months to have that conversation. >> if i may jump in my keying they know is not working properly i'll say several requests from the department negotiable discussion with the economic development about it issue we recognize the changing nature the retail the issue is - there are as many pointed out many considerations we think we need to devolve into the location within the union square and the size of floor plate and what types of uses that are appropriate on the lower floors as opposed to upper floors there
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is an analysis to be done i'm holdings media bracket we're going through in work plan that was not part of it (laughter) pursue but work to be done i mean, i - it might be helpful because the year-long project might be helpful to take a year link pause rather than an out right disapproval i don't know how long to suggest that will probably take a good 4 months but illegal to have that preliminarily but the department's policy up to now has been the discourage conversions below the fourth floor at least we've had several
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conversations with the property owners our general policy been 3 and below should be - >> i'm happy to have a discussion if it is still right by our informal policy. >> it will be a disgrace to put office on was ground floor it is a fantastically conversation i'll support a continuance rather than a disapproval you know this is a allowable for formula retail that opens the universe so foot locker and everyone else to find the first floor 0 a second floor and third floor is difficult this particular location i think i'll say we should have a policy or discussion on that but they have to be looked at site by site this location is in the middle
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of the financial district financial services request charles schwab not far away, union square work kearny street and muni our highly impacted transit routes that could support the upper floors and the office is above on the upper floors with your looking at bringing the office down rather than up and bright text is not interesting landmark part of the history and for fear of the expending e spending into the other high character direction of mission or chinatown i see the fear of that and this particular address today was a residential building in chinatown one we flipped to opposing he'll not disapprove that but i'll like to continue
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the discussion yeah. those are my comments. >> commissioner moore. >> i'm - i wouldn't have expected to get a letter from mr. fong chinatown community development center not a sense of alarmness about this i tend to gravitate towards caution i permanent didn't believe we can seawall workout a trends of how we needed to react to the trends in the 4 months you've mentioned that is part of the vision of the city of the future and envisioning the city changes in the retail and transportation, etc. and the environment we talked about earlier but not something to continue for a timeline i don't think that is
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quite not a linear process for that reason and couldn't say it could change we need policy and have something by which we can use as a similar argument for everybody office is far more lucrative in terms of when and square footage than upstairs retail i see the same way hat makers and a pdr of the retail district just being there because they have their customers come upstairs and other elements of interest in retail for that reason i don't personally building that just continuing this prolong at this moment is the right way to explore with the department what the right balance not a district
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no, but need more time with the research to donor. >> a continuance will get us inside of a year. >> i don't know the departments calendar it is full i can't comment i don't think we want to extend that i know that projects are a sign on the windows asking for the same we can't - a prolong on the corner of grant and sutter we approved will come back with a deft make up and the same question and projects, etc., etc. we are basically ready for an avalanche for a continuance i believe that we will not be able to have the right answers so for all the circumstances in which this will happen owe personally would like to do that that way but not
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realistic. >> the precursor is movie theatres and for a great while san francisco think couldn't figure out how to look at them many remained vacant until they put in the gyms i want to avoid that many retail uses that can be converted to office than movie 2450er9s converted into gyms i think we have a larger problem coming ahead of us commissioner koppel. >> want to make a couple of comments reinforce director rahaim's comments for keeping second floor and third floor because the visible what will i say to any friends when they cook in a year who approved that why there office space it is up
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to the landlords and the tenants to still take that second floor and third floor and invite people up there i went to in the case i didn't town not only to the second floor and third floor went to the top floor and met my girl and her excess on grant street a sign on the sidewalk you go up there and huge massive footprint this place is i know crazy out of control and energy and people are parenting and some of the things you can invite people up to and make a second floor or third floor active as the ground floor not to say this can't happen but just want to point out those couples of examples you can do a lot and not be on the ground floor. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you yes
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i think it is interesting he agree with everything is commissioner moore said i come to a different conclude i think a continuance he hope 0 see the commission go for only this reason that a disapproval carries a lot of strength and one of the things if we work to disapprove the project we change our policy and reenvision what we think of the ccr and the other retail districts people come back and say i disapproved that project i don't want that to be part of our conversation so i would like to make a motion to continue and i'm looking jonas normally we continue. >> there's a motion on the floor to disapprove, however, the motion to continue to supercede that. >> it was safeguard commissioner vice president richards and i want to make a motion to continue and normally
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we're anti more than, however, many weeks things were renoticed and recalendar don't make sense now. >> if we're going down the line of 4 months theoretically we can december continue this without renotification we required renoticing. >> less go our calendar goes through march. >> march 9. >> okay. >> is there a second and second and commissioner hillis. >> you know this is a good discussion i think that you know there's an informal policy or maybe a formal policy that we
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see whether staff denies below the third floor he'll ask that we look at you know we look at how retail is procreating especially on third floors and i mean, he commissioner koppel had a good point we've been to the third floors where hair slogans and things like that not a lot of them but third floor office and the last case the housing that was dooshdz we thought that that is was a viable we'll get watchmakers and jewelry makers the one the top floors taking our families and going downtown and shopping it is not even throughout the world we live in today, we have to figure out our policy and third floor or more in the core around union square and less than the outskirts
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there is maybe third floor only but anybody that will look at the policy if c-3 r is not reflective of reality but we have a policy overlay that says we're approving above the third floor by deny it above the tlvr he thought to see that flushed out. >> if i may only the c-3 r i need a cu at some places it is last week at the ground level and some basement level it varies in all the various c-3 district we were asking that you take a policy stand in the c-3 r with the anticipation there are other projects that the departments will need to act on and bring to you. >> i think we can have to a
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more detailed discussion on that policy and where the third floor retail has worked emt have there been leases of separated third floor where you get that. >> get facts open this to see if there is a market it is a good discussion to have and hopefully you know there can be an analysis with an intern discussions and go forward. >> commissioner hillis those are old before the mixed use building with the office use and one way to look at closer to the union square the percentage the building may not be greater than x of officer or less than retail unless formula retail or not - >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i want the pain the project
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sponsor but the word i have about a continuance the message sent to other people in your situation they maybe anticipating a change in 4 months and all of a sudden not showing their property expect to lease their property that's a danger i want to respect the conversation on the project this morning and the director assessing the public process on those things takes a while and four months we're javm this in with a public office we're fooling ourselves we you know we struggled probably mr. vice president two years ago on the ncds and the department is getting making changes 4 months is two aggressive i can't support it i on the project sponsor we hope to see you back
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after we fought that i'll not support a continuance. >> co-sponsor. >> i'd like to make a comment to commissioner hillis i've worked in the financial district since the san jose as well as in the hair dresser to the yoga studio you sell custom clothes their up and down sutter street and are sorry about that second floor and third floor and fourth floor particularly on the south side all buildings still have pretty much the same owners but the use of hairdresser they're all under i was laughing any husband didn't accompany me
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heard commissioner koppel having gun there their people another designers or hairdressers and they are last week, a sub culture on the upper floors is all very, very vital and i think that until we have kind of have other message based on what the department studying and advising i still believe we are better off not to just continue it because that will take more than 4 months. >> commissioner hillis and i mean to set a new code i think that will take locker 4 months but the code assess you can apply for a ccii to her upper floors including i think you wouldn't deny a fifth floor we're arguing with the department the fourth floor they'll ask for the seam ccii
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those folks are asking for to allow for a non-retail on the fourth floor you'll need a cu to get a fourth floor to be office instead of retail i don't think we're making that nuance for the staff is but were we've not looked at that that is a pool the department may say is a good starting point i'd like to have that informed by what is out in the market i agree i've been on the third floor and fifth floor our bow technologies and sales person that has a we're not talking with the futurists that's our horizon and we have to look at 20 years we see the spaces happening and many of the buildings their exists office
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use we see spur in the old space close to say the upper floor in the world council was there the office use at flood building was in on a floor that would require a ccii for that space to be used as office but grandfathered in there were no mixed use in the past we should move forward with a rational and started one on the this is an informational item above but the reality is the department stores on the upper floors maybe some of them are viable and an opportunity but the amount of space we retailer in upper floors is shiflg in its ability they're
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our quarterbacking and we need to change the codes but set a different type of policy. >> the differences with the third floor and fist floor built offices whether their art galleries their for the most part small they've been demissed into office whether their doctor's office hence why you need an architecture office okay. we're beating this thing up (laughter). >> a gay discussion. >> very good commissioners a motion to december approve but a motion to continue will supercede that and the motion to continue to march 9 commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel commissioner melgar no commissioner moore you a no schematics no and commissioner
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president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes passes 4 to 34 with commissioner melgar, commissioner moore and commissioner vice president richards vetting against it places us in the discretionary review calendar please note after hearing that we continues by a vote of 7 to zero. >> as this is the second hearing generally, we reduce the times for discretionary review and query to 3 minute and one minute for public comment t
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requester a dr requestwe have id up. >> sir 3 minutes. >> the package handed out please. this packet here. >> yes. >> i throughout that was per her comment. >> thank you for your patience this afternoon. >> the overhead is not on? >> as you may remember i'm larry lived in noah valley over 19 years 3 girls it was used to park on a daily basis during the peek time in the afternoons
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i handed materials with pictures of the park a recent petition with members that opposed this project and petition signers for you to review and consider we hope you spent a lot of time to look at that saurm that will create a massive new wall 40 feet hovering over the park blocking views of the neighboring hills and - >> on this 3 of us we lost our qualm. >> what happened to everybody. >> well. >> we've not taken a break for the entire afternoon. >> we'll have to wait for a moment some are listening in the back but 4 members. >> commissioner melgar is second.
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>> i'm saying she left. >> commissioner johnson a hero and commissioner koppel is here that's 4 maybe take a 5 minute break. >> that's fine can we take a 5 minute break in the sir. >> as i was saying before the break in this project is a approved that extends hovering over the park i have pictures to look good the park i'll remind the commission of key factors for the most part no notice posted in the park about the project without such notice and with the
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park closed with ramps right now few community members know about the project in communities meetings held to give notice and information to the members with the noah valley park community and despite the rain we learned last week that the proponent of the project was not going to mitigate the project but desired to mitigate the project via the park but desired when i believe a ploy and over petition many noah valley residents signed the petition it oppose the project again, if this project is built it shades the park and blocks at the most active times of the day and also is the overhead working? real quickly when this
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commission makes a decision it will impact the park if i look at the approved plans by the rec and park that space is where all the tennis courts will be the planning department and it's review the project mark farrell concludes there will be no a negative impact no basis for in conclude it is not surveyed users not been any reviews of the community of that park i acknowledge not been to the park this commission along with the rec and park commission and reviewing the victorian parks that had a 10 unit building with less shading no blocking of views the commission determined there was more impact to the - that park than this would did he
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encourage the commission here to protect our park imagine is this if so your chrldz or parents fausht park a small second unit not rented out worth the long term impact to the users of noah valley court i plead but to protect our park. >> speaker in support of dr requester. >> 24 street receipt i lived steps away a recreational green
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space well-used trorld playground and basketball courts all san francisco i did not see magnificent violates the residential design guidelines protect the major views the city views and parks by adjusting the massing of proposed development to reduce or eliminate adverse the project forever casts shadows on courts featured in the renovations underway city funds involved for improvement will go for community devoted years to raise grant money. >> thank you other speakers
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good afternoon, commissioners i'm the project sponsor immediately adjacent for the building i nishd filed a dr after modifications i'll reiterate that in discussions that went on more more than a year with the owners the idea of a sending second unit was not brought up at any time expeditiousness and didn't exploratorium to the rest of the neighborhood for what is to worth in my discussions with the owners abused my property is the most scombakdz by the private and light and air and a skylight from my office window impacted by the property they said he recently resonated. >> thank you. >> any additional speakers in support of dr requester seeing none, project sponsor 3 minutes.
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>> wait for the computer to be triggered. >> commissioners jeremy paul on behalf of the sponsors the my dogs favorable hang out the amount of shaidz this will take place is very minimal just to be clear that the house behind that that also is adjacent to the park facing elizabeth street at the height we proposed to build to as you can see the line at 833 elizabeth across 43, 24th street that's the height we're building to the shading that took place in
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the park happens at the trees you'll show you a detailed shading plan okay. this is a good photograph on i'll zoom no on the corner this is where our roofline starts so the roofline shift to the south in the summer should say sunset at 835 the summer soltice there this is where the shadow is cast the shadow is never cast over the center of the park september 21st this is the shadow at the maximum at 5:00 p.m. the orange portion that is what recently was recommended at the request of mr. robison the adjacent neighbor we made a two foot reduction in the height at he's
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bequeath this is the winter soltice the shadow you see the trees we're never another any pointed shadowing picnic or especially the children's playground - this is the only window that will be obstructed by our addition this makes perfect sense for the family that petition is very hurtful and andy anticipate to sarah and their data perry and feedback that see their neighbors cross the street they're telling me the numbers their park will be ruined not true we're trying to
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create a second unit with the recommendations of the full entryway that is a good access to a usable units that make sense for this location. >> and mural we're prepping to put on the spot. >> your time is up. >> any speakers in support of project sponsor. >> seeing none, dr requester you get a one minute rebuttal. >> no rebuttal. >> okay sorry. >> this portion of the hearing is closed commissioners. >> commissioner hillis. >> a question to the project sponsor. >> can you put up since our last hearing what has changed is that you've added that unit to the ground floor.
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>> yes. >> you know better. >> sorry. >> there's the unit. >> how is it assessed as accessed from a door to the east side of the garage where we're critique a breezeway that is will impact on the parking area we're proposing but it will give us enough room for a small car and second car as well as beacon parking meeting the city retirements the entryway we the recessed well articulated way with the clear windows along the wall the breezeway is not a darker tunnel to a unpleasant entry to a bad unit a quality
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garden unit that will serve this family as their older daughter is in high school and younger is in high school they'll be able to use this and will serve as an part time o apartment rental. >> a breezeway open to the sky. >> no about it will not be built to we'll put clear story windows along it bringing light. >> i think this is is a hard one is that i think i sympathize with the shadows in the park, however, we've got to tough case no doubt that will impact the park with some shadow impacts to the park i don't know, there enormous but an impact to the park and prop k that protects
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that but not applicable bus the height of the building and staying under the height that would trigger our analysis in prop k if we look at this project without the park adjacent to it is well-designed it is fitting in with the neighborhood and contextual we'll for the take dr and make major modifications the question becomes to me is the shadow on the park at a level we should take dr you know, i just don't think this is we can - i can justify taking dr for the amount of shadows cast on the park with a building that is code compliant underneath the required height and did not prop k does - is not applicable not to say there wouldn't be a small shadow impact to the park i
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appreciate the second unit it helps in making the justification we're not adding a monster home or a typically large home that is modified modest with a unit that may or may not be used by someone but additional housing stock i have tribun trouble with the deck on the tape it is not necessary to have that note a condition that is consistent so that's the only they know i'll necessarily change. >> second. >> thank you commissioner moore. >> mr. mccain can you come to the microphone and talk about the tree obviously as trees mature a parks in huntington park trees
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have shadows and we have an even green rather than a city tree here and commissioner. >> please do so. >> could you turn that so we can see it it way pull it down a little bit we have a full - >> oh, these trees in the picture cast a shadow; correct? >> yes. >> but a couple of points really quickly. >> i want to stick with the tree if you don't mind i want to talk about the trees want to
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diversify an equal forum to have something it casts a shadow versus the building casts a shadow i'm concerned about the park if there is indeed - a reason to believe the tree and cast a shadow although the picture shows otherwise the trees cast shadows you look at the case study the park is shadowed significantly by the tree owe and by the unit and the other units over there the point when the park is 20 percent shadowed if i look at the 1989 with rec and park when the small park under two acres not to have any in any shadows. >> the idea that park was two shadowed the idea of more shade is node acceptable no question interest is shading by the trees
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but that will in a small park sunlight is at at precious commodity more shadowing is not good the increase in the building will feel hike our or like our blocked in not only the shadowing of the building and the trees will not be close to the 20 percent or over caused by the addition which is important and also. >> thank you you answered my question we want to direct the question towards staff mr. washington can you explain the shadow and causation on shadow thank you very much i ask mr. washington when a park of r is of a certain size and shoold applies for obstruction over 40 feet in height and potential that it can have requires a
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shadow study and the property if steady the height limit therefore not part of review for praushgz finding. >> you're saying the shadow that occurs with the building under the height is indeed the shadow we have to anticipate in a reasonable code compliant building that's the urban setting in which it occurs. >> that's correct the planner was the prop k expert by coinciden coincidence. >> the sun we want to have we'll have it is interesting in huntington park their casting a shadow everyone it sits in the arrangement moves into the sun it is like a sundial on the
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entire park having said that, if that is what the in front of you us we need to consider that i have emotional on the side of wanting to protect the park but can't do that those rules which any at small park falls under i am torn last week the addition of the second unit the second unit is rendering out to make a good unit the on thing i don't want to use the unit as a trade for the park from the park is really something that is not really for our consideration a metric to consider so i'm to i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to say. >> no, i'm in dialogue with any commissioners. >> commissioners and yeah. i'm really challenged by this project i think that was a
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little bit clear the expansion of a single-family home i think the trade off of the impact on the park and the streetscape and otherwise was wander of the project even though this was code compliant and in this case we actually have an additional unit we often ask for and in this case last week commissioner moore mentioned fully rendering sometimes we ask are for an additional unit and get extra sequencing in the basement not what we have here a smaller park not under prop k and one of the gray areas i think in this case, i them like this trade off works and anything you do to that building will cast more shadow offender the park even the closing statement project of any sort of will impact that park
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and so i feel what we have is fair i'm challenged why like the impact of. >> (speaking chinese.) and people not wanting to use the park or programmed properly question he guess i have for - the size of this park and the amount of shading cast in neither desire to not have additional shading i'd like to found that letter in the packet this is the 40 feet the fact we shouldn't be considering it. >> i'll look into the packet to see if we have in specific letter but again, we're viewing on the prop k finding we do what
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we can to minimize the shadow on light and air and minimize window blocking in this incidence they have such limitations from the residential design from the top floor back and trying to minimize the height brings if it down to reduce the impacts on the shadowing jeanette to the tense court as opposed to to the active vaurnt their factored into the evaluation of the project and in this incidence we felt the twraergs to the house to the eavely competitive not any other parcel on the block. >> okay. >> and the addition of the
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second unit it can justifies adding volume that can be incorporated into this. >> i guess thank you one other question he guess i have mr. king we have a diaphragm on shading i believe you handed ♪ your brief to us it's a project sponsors >> it was - and so this shadow analysis stated for september or december june or december 21st is this representative of what you shown over the source of many slices. >> not exactly the project has been reduced since that data was create. >> i get it now i think so the differential so mingle from the staffs point of view to reduce those shadows. >> from the roof angling theorized it to two feet i believe. >> the main thing is the height as low as it is simple you know
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really can't look at that position question want to have a design that is logical and kind of - >> thank you one other thing mr. cain is shadowing the tense court from running around sweating i'll want to be cool that's a disadvantage when our in the sun placing tense you want to comment on that welcome a comment. >> you look at the long term plan for the park that areas is not going to remain a tense court that will be a multi court and basketball and the main area for the kids to play in this will impact the area forever is that's why you make your
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decision you're taking this park and i'm not sure what i did with that. >> that would be great. >> the original point is the reason why prop k didn't apply for the 40 c from the front door i don't believe that ceqa will measure feet from that angle and i do think that unusual circumstances here oh, here it is yes and this is commissioner kim's from the developers and the shape. >> can you all that for us, please. >> can you hear me. >> can be bend the mike. >> this is approved by rec and
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park didn't have enough money but doing the renovation of the park they're putting in seat terraces here and picnic tables will be shaded and make this a general lawn area and a multi use court with basketball and other activities as i guess back to my original question comment if you're playing tennis in the sun it makes you hotter and more uncomfortable if we set having a peck in case can you comment. >> this is the afternoon my kids play a lot of soccer and lots of sports in the afternoon people wanted to be in the sun in their cold so we're talking not late everybody by three or
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four 5 clock i think people would rather sunshine have sun versus shade and to be honest my kids last week the shade and commissioner johnson. >> yeah. i think my comments were about in appreciation if i were under a tense court this programming will be impacted by any potential investment of the building - less likely this space we'll be used by families in the area. >> commissioner moore. >> i been open a strange pursue one way or another because we are two people short that the large policy discuss
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and other projects coming up there will be shadows on parks and last week to have the balance in the discussion he feel that with two people messaging it is difficult to see the fuller way of different opinions coming together to make a decision i'm so torn on that i don't know what to do. >> commissioner koppel. >> yeah. i'm looking at this really as compared to the projects we saw about 6 weeks ago and i'm seeing the roof that is one thing we're looking for; right? and seeing the changes we asked still under the height limit and code compliant he'll be supportive of commissioner hilliss motion you included or excluding the deck.
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>> is that a motion. >> i'll make a motion to take dr. >> take dr. >> and approve without the roof-deck. >> front deck or roof deck. >> front deck. >> second. >> one thing i'd like to ask the motion maker to include in the motion a mural i think the project sponsor offered to have a mural pained to soften the look of a stark white building we can direct him will you accept that. >> yes. >> seconder. >> ? i'm not a huge one i think the white reflective you know can get more light into the space than a mural i leave it up
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to the neighbors i prefer not included in the motion. >> mr. paul please. thank you thank you thank you for your time commissioner hillis i'd like to go to the overhead and show you what we're proposing to do with this mural i'll suggest that if something that the project sponsor would last week to do this is on private property say a single-family home now that becomes a single-family with a second unit to make them have the dedication with the dr they provided decorative treatment for the building facing the park the current condition on the same picture we are worked up with this mural it is not tornadic i'm in the park quite often something needs to be done to the call and 2 should be the
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property owner decision how to do it. >> commissioner moore. >> that's my wife's artwork. >> the idea to soften the impact of a solid at all wall against the park by using landscaping to conceal the part of building that's the precipitate of an idea that is in keeping with what a property owner might be interested in doing that for one from the east elevation sufficient light to have some form of landscape softening a mural is two severe. >> from the commissioners would say that that wall be treated in some way to mitigated
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against the harsh impact but lighter colors are more appropriate. >> yes. >> yes. >> the monitor is not working so many someone want to add anything and the monoxide maker and the seconder. >> yes. >> there's a there is a motion that has been seconded to take dr and approve the project as
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>> good afternoon. i'm the chief building inspector with the department building inspection. welcome to our brown bag lunch series. this is the regular third thursday of every month event. we are finishing up with a talk about the outside lambs, an area
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that was previously considered uninhabitable. uninhabitable due to fog. [inaudible] but we have with us a couple of real experts in outside plans. -- i am outside -- in outside lands. woody has devoted a lot of his time and effort to the outside lands. >> we are a nonprofit in our 10th year, and we are dedicated to preserving and sharing the history of san francisco. >> it is great to have you here. and pat, who has a lot of knowledge and brought to be sure today a lot of [inaudible] , and she can share with that --
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she can share that with us as well, and we only regret that harvey the wonder dog could not be here. we talked about [inaudible] what area, generally, are we talking about? >> the term came from what was called the pueblo land when the san francisco peninsula was switched over from mexican ownership to american ownership. certain tracts were preserved, so there was a more orderly, even though it took decades, transfer of ownership of those lands, but there were also what were called pueblo lands, which were sort of a poem by the town, and then, there was a whole lot of discussion about what should happen to those -- which were sort of zero and -- sort of owned by the town.
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>> so was san francisco's bordered upon at the time, or did that happen later? >> san mateo county did not exist when they originally chartered it. i think there were 16 counties, and a few years later, they said they were too large, so they doubled back and created san mateo county. >> this is an early map of an area that might have been known as san francisco, but it did not have a defined southern boundary yet. >> the city i believe was up larkin street, and everything west was counties. i think larkin was here. that is the original charter. then in 1850, van ness, who was the supervisor, did the
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addition. it was called the western addition, even though it was in the middle of the city, because it was west of larkin. >> i did not understand that when i was a child. it always seemed that it was east of where everything i knew was. >> all this down here was county of san francisco, so there was a point in time where you could be in the county of san francisco, but not in the city you live in these outside lands. >> lead problem is if you look at the orientation, no. is up. we are going to turn it the way we are normally accustomed to seeing it. here is where the golden gate bridge is. here is where the bay bridge is. the county went all the way down here, and about a year later, they moved the county to write about here, so this was county land or outside land, and this
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was the city. this was 1861, so the city has grown by this much. these were added, and they are basically pasture lands. that is where petrero street is. >> and out here, the rancho -- what is a rancho? >> it is a mexican land grant that we agreed to respect when we still california from the mexicans. we agreed to respect the land grants that existed, and there was a commission set up. regretfully, none of the land grants were legally bested, so most of them were taken away from the mexicans. the other portion were pureblo lands, which would be considered
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entitled to four square leaks -- leagues. so 30 square miles with the possession of the pueblo of san francisco for public use, and that is how we got golden gate. when they acquired it as publicly, part of the treaty said you had to all mexican law, which set a certain amount of outside plants must be used for schools, playgrounds, open space. the original chaldea san francisco -- the original county of san francisco came from san mateo county. they decided it was too large a county, said the card off another county. at the time, the largest population in the state was in san francisco. l.a. barely made a presidio. they had, like, 50 or 60 people.
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90% of the population was in san francisco, and everyone down the peninsula is saying if they are in the county, san francisco has this huge population, we are going to have to go along with them, so they can't get off -- they carved it off. >> it looks like it is the richmond district, but a kind of shows what was on the west side town. a great deal of it was sam, and for that reason, people thought that the weather and the san -- it was really not a place that people wanted to live, and it was going to be very typical for san francisco -- very difficult for san francisco to expand west. >> if you look at the early maps, it was 3 miles wide by about 6 miles long, this huge sand dunes that just moved around. >> here is an 1875 map of the laguna.
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says along the side of the map, high sand hills between the pacific ocean and the like. by the way, this had actually opened directly into the ocean. >> lake merced had a high water level. since we paid over much of the city, the water levels have dropped, but at one time, the late actually trade out into the ocean approximately where the dog diner is that now. somewhere in the 1870's, they saw the damage at the water in the late so it did not exit out uncontrolled, and for 10 years, people were drinking lake merced water as drinking water. it is much bigger, too. if you go to san francisco
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state, the practice will appeal this part of the lake. i do daily city, that was part of the lake. it was huge. >> the southern area [inaudible] but there is a different area. >> there was a creek that came down basically through west portal and said that particular lake. >> that was filled in when they develop west portal, and they had the brilliant idea when they dug but,, they needed a place to put it, so they build the creek in with the tunnel muck. >> you can see in 1910, we are talking about after the earthquake, but outer richmond is still pretty sparsely settled. >> or anyone who ever wondered what richmond is named after, it was a guy by the name of marsh, who was from richmond, england. >> australia? >> australia?
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>> george turner marsh. >> no trees at all. people see trees in the city and think they may have been made. sand and scrub. at some point, these are the lives were used recreational -- these outer lands were used recreational lly. . >> there is. we hoave -- what, the third? >> depends on it you are coming the addition. but they all burned down. that was around 1900, so if you are ever stuck in traffic in the six-lane boulevard in 19th avenue, imagine what it was like back then. >> [inaudible] i would say this is after they
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began to develop some homesteading entries. >> it was a large chicken ranch out there. lawson chicken ranch was along 19th ave. >> [inaudible] >> not exactly. he donated the land later to the city, though. sort of the farm house feeling of the richmond. >> there is a water tower with a windmill in the back. >> right, get your water from wells. that was the early boathouses. looking at that map, sporting men would come out in the horses, have little races with their horses and carriages and the sea horse races, maybe get in a card game, have a drink of the way to the beach. >> but this was when there was county land, so there was no gambling. the move people out to county for the race track.
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>> they were away from intense public scrutiny out there. >> my of the state is there were four racetracks in the city. -- my understanding. can you name them? >> pioneer, union, in the side, and oceanside. >> there ago. maybe there are more. >> we have a big article on race tracks on our website. outsidelands.org. >> the ingleside, you can still see that. >> they developed where that race track was, just south of ocean avenue, they kept the oval of the race track and created urbano drive. >> i think we have some progress of that. >> that is the inner sunset.
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that is where >> lawrence lives > i do. >> you can see the inner sandbank. it is a big old sand hill. they had to do a lot of grading. >> in the building department, when we go out and look to people to building development, as soon as they squared away the top 6 inches or whatever is there, it is all sand. forever. in my yard, and there is nothing you can do about it. it is what there is. it was generally developed in response to the 1890's for mid- winter there, which was held in golden gate park. would the first buildings that was built in that area was a bar called the little shamrock, and it is still there just west of lincoln, just west from ninth avenue. it was built to help service people who were working on the
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big winter fair. they are still hoping the neighborhood. >> it is an offshoot of the 1892-8093 columbian exposition in chicago. when they were done, san francisco said bring it here. >> that is the chicken ranch. the building to the east of that is the chicken ranch, and you can see beyond to the west all sand dunes and hollows and gullies. that is one of the row houses we were talking about. as late as 1910, there were crackdowns and vice raids [laughter] >> that is a good way to say it. >> that is the racetrack grandstand. >> that is huge. >> opening day in 1895 through
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14,000 people. they put a train line to it. they had a street car line. it was a big deal in those days, horse racing was. >> reason really interesting progress about car bill. tell us about what cargo was. >> in 1895, adolph sutro owned a couple blocks of land, which were sand dunes. the pavement, the streets. south of golden gate park. there was a train line that brought people from downtown to the beaches. mostly, it was used on sundays. it went along with a good way to the beach. top of that, a few people started using old horse carts, which are essentially street cars that were pulled by horses. they became obsolete as cable cars and electric trolleys took over. and they took these old horse cars and made little foot houses out of it -- clubhouses out of them. some of those turned into
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permanent residences, and you had up to 100 of these little cars all tumbled out there in the sand dunes. >> i remember when i was a kid going out there, some of them with all the way over to the zoo, and they had taken more modern streetcars and made holds out of them by picking them up and putting him on a sandlot. >> after the 1906 earthquake, they put in a lot of electric car lights, so it just kept growing. >> here is a building incorporating cars. >> in the upper story. st. andrew's church. 47th ave. a lot of artists and writers and people you might call bohemians at the time went to cargill. it was an artistic place to hang out. you have people going out, maybe getting into landscape, maybe
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just partying. >> but wasn't there some push back? it had an unsavory reputation. >> in 1913, the lead was settled, and it was supposed to be sold, and a lot of people did not like it because they thought there was a lot of romantic rendezvous happening there that perhaps should not be. they had a ceremony there to burn the car out of cargo, so they have a big bonfire. it was the fourth of july, so they threw some fireworks in, too, and they were trying to announce that it was a new neighborhood. it was respectable. that is essentially the last and best carville house on the highway. two cable cars that are joined together. they took out the walls and connected the rope and of course, as a bedroom. and i would like to buy it. >> i think we have a photograph of the inside of one of these cars. >> yes, some of the original
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cable car bridges are still on the inside. it is a wonderful place. i'm writing a book on carville. that is ucsf. adolph sutro donated the land. >> he had a lot of land. >> did. he bought a rancho in '82, and it was a huge chunk of land in a little peninsula. it took decades for it to fill in with housing. >> when he died, he leapt 1,100 acres to widows and orphans, and his children that truck. they comprise the woods, sherwood forest, forestville. it was a contentious thing. it took about 13, 15 years in public. >> this is actually in golden gate park, the casino. it was a controversy at the time to have a place that serve liquor and had card games in
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golden gate park. eventually, it moved to 24th ave. >> we still have the newly recently refurbished stop along the great highway. the beach shall i -- chalet. i always find it ironic that these federal highway funds were used to refurbish this place for drivers to get a drink. terrific. [laughter] >> there were farms, and there were dairies, as these houses are starting to be built, and they are more conventional residents is, and they are still a farm. in the distance, you can see it is still sand dunes. >> and water once again from windmills and wells. >> there is a few small lakes. some of the lakes are natural lakes. they are not all man-made. >> it took a while to get the water lines out there.
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>> you can see the huge sand dune behind it. it was a challenge to get basic services. people would build houses, and instantly, a huge sand banks would blow in the night and basically close-up people's front doors. they had a lot of development that was needed before they could make a nice place to live. >> this was the park side real estate brochures from about 1913. >> 1908. >> there are pages you can read. inside it shows what you can do. it was so might be developed but never got develop. >> the realty company was going to take all of it and essentially the lead in and put houses in there. that was their plan. it was a very nice square grid. so the south side of the sunset is called the park side. i think it would be closer to
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golden gate park, but it was sort of a realty bargaining scheme because it was mostly sand dunes. the first announcement was that it was much warmer than you would imagine. it is beautiful. there are trees. you could get away from the wind. it is sunny. they were just trying to make it sound good. >> there was a row house down there -- there is still a row house down there. >> you could rent that for your wedding. the boss of san francisco, who was dethroned after the earthquake, he was arrested. they tracked it down there. he was hiding out. >> was it still county land at that time? >> city lead. >> this is after it was subdivided into standard lots? >> they are big.
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anyone who live there, you might have a backyard twice as long as your house. smaller home builders started taking root with larger ones. a lot of times, it was like this. a guy would buy a couple of lots and essentially build two houses and tried to sell them. or live in one. they did that all the way up to the 1940's. one of the last parcels a friend of mine lived on on 28 and cabrilla, which used to be a garbage dump, and in the 1940's, they build it over with sand -- they have lots of that lying around. >> this is parker studio boulevard in the richmond district. you are on the road, which is this piece of land. after the 1906 earthquake and fire, there were a refugee camps for and in a lot of the refugee camps, there were earthquake
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refugee cottages. these were small little portable cottages built on these camps, and the idea was you could live there, and when the camps closed after a bad year, you could take it away to an empty lot. >> you had to buy it. >> you could, but your rent would go towards the purchase price. by the end, they just wanted to get rid of them. >> in 1930, all of these were declared a substandard structures and the city wanted them all destroyed because they were blights. >> but there still are many. how many are left? >> there is at least 30. >> out of 5610 built. >> yes, sir. >> i just love to do find out what the orientation of this picture is. part presidio would have run pretty much right through there? >> right. this is reserve as city land for
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a park. people were really excited because they were just about to start doing some landscaping of the park, and then the earthquake hit, and they said no park. there were going to put thousands of refugees there. the neighbors complained about it until they realized they could sell goods, services, anything to these refugees, and they made a lot of money, so they were ok with it. >> [inaudible] boulevard existing now, or did it come in after this? >> there was no boulevard. it came in in the teens. this was the sunnyside, just northeast of city college. another early land scheme, and this is a point you were making, that streetcars were in a very important factor in getting the west side settled. so he built the first electric streetcar in san francisco, and
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he conveniently had to go right to a bunch of land he owned where he created the sunnyside, which was a suburb. you take the streetcar out to the suburbs. >> outside a town was the way it was described. not that far. >> far enough. and it was not sunday, either. >> again, it is all marketing. >> i'm looking at the names of streets. who got to name the streets in these new sñ what is interestins alphabetical on the sunny side. acadia. it is alphabetical. it ended at hamburg. in world war room in one, people did not like it. they thought it was -- world war i, people did not like it.
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they thought it was too german. >> there are two in bayview hunters. . there is one that treasure island then there is one out there. -- there are two in bayview hunters poitn. -- point. >> they said, we will rename all of the streets. they decided to name them after spanish explorers, which was controversial. they compromised. some of the streets are named after an indian place in yosemite. >> they had the number of streets already put in, nice and simple. they wanted to name the other ones, and they wanted to name all of the east-west one's with
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explorers -- ones with explorers. there was a big complaint about the spanish names. a few of them they kept. these are the park side cottages. as early as 1908, they had a textbook and they said, you can build as cottage. we will give you the plans. take it away. we think about it later, but they were doing it early. >> this is a placard from one of those cooky cutter homes. we talk about housing today. i have two work days. this is 600927 -- 6927. they put them on the building of that authority could figure out what you were buying.
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>> you will see these placards. this is 1930. you can see that it was sand, sand, sand. >> there were train tracks that unloaded in front of us development site. -- in front of this development site. >> these three houses, can you see them? they are still there. people were optimistic. they would buy three lots and say, we will build three two- story houses here and eventually it will fill in. it did, but it was three decades. this is sunset boulevard being put in. there were putting in this big boulevard.
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it is pointing out a goalie in the middle of the sand. -- a gully in the middle of the sand. >> woody was just given this time. >> i have been wanting one of these for years. i know they were at 5300. >> the building is still there. >> they were not the most enlightened company. they were strict about not showing homes to minorities. they got in trouble for that. willie brown actually made his name by going and trying to see one of the homes. it was a very political thing.
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he would walk up with a whole bunch of people in the person showing the home would sneak away. >> even in the teens, there were a lot of neighborhoods that had restrictions against certain groups of people. >> this was in the 1950's. willie mays had trouble buying a house in san francisco. a couple of people would not show him a house. they had to enlist the mayor and a bunch of people. this is their reservoir. companies would take a block and there would start wrecking houses. there were building two a day -- they were building two with a. the 1930's were the big boom times for the sunset. >> this is a recession.
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>> these are the homes in west would park. -- in westwood park. >> how did this perform? the composite the assembly -- come's assembly -- composite assembly. >> they would stucco it. they would put chicken wire on it. >> when i inspect buildings that are being remodeled, i see that the chicken wire mesh is completely gone. >> it is galvanized. the saltwater was enough to rest it out. >> it people think stucco is waterproof -- it is not waterproof. it sucks the water in.
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you have to water protect it and paint it. >> the above the low medium that was going on -- the bungalow frenzy that was going on, people were building houses at a remarkable rate in the 1930's. nothing down. you can pay us later. we have to sell this. this is shared in school and the ocean view that it -- this is shariton school and the ocean view dedication. these early neighborhoods, this is 1910, they would have to do a lot of things themselves. the first school was built by the neighbors. the district did not have the money or the interest. when they finally got a school the city built, it took 25 years
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to get it. this is the dedication. >> they have diagonal sheathing. >> they had an architect in charge. you could get rattlesnakes. some of the great homes in san francisco built before the earthquake had diagonal sheeting. all of the joints had to be cut at a 45 degree-angle. this had diagonal sheathing. >> much more effective. >> those three buildings are still there in the ocean view. that is the twin peaks tunnel hiding behind that building. that was a big deal for getting a lot of the neighborhoods that we were talking about. anglesite terraces, forest hill,
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and will side -- ingleside. it would cut the commute time. it made home building and buying a ridiculous proposition. the tunnel would solve the problems. there is the tunnel. 1915, they're building the tunnel. >> 1920-something. >> they used to decorate the tunnel for christmas. why don't they do that now? >> it obstructs the actual portal. >> west portal went from, maybe it will be ok, and then the cars to over. -- cars took over. >> it kind of looks that way now.
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this is the ocean view we were talking about. most of that is gone now. >> golden gate heights. >> 1928. that is 16th avenue down there in front of us. lots of sand dunes. houses are starting to take over. we have a later photo coming up. >> and nuance. it is there because no one wanted to live on 13th avenue. there is no 13th ave. >> there is the sunset reservoir and the sand dunes. they were building houses right on the dunes. that is 28. that is the same view in 1990. >> and the park is there. much better. >> this is westwood park.
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it used to be called residential park. the idea was that instead of having a bar next door to your house, this would be an exclusive residential community. the street should follow the land. they had curvilinear streets. they had decorative vases, stairways. the whole idea was someone would come home from work and he should be elevated and think great thoughts. he should not be in the hustle and bustle of the urban environment. there were very restrictive. they tried to say you had to have certain setbacks and you could not use buildings for other than the residents, and you could not be a minority unless you had permission. that was a big problem.
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>> they are still here. you can see this place. >> i am not positive i know where this is. can you aureate me? >> that is ocean avenue on the bottom left. the center line of that is myrmar ave. what is there that anybody would know? there are two gates. on the monterey side, there's a beautiful ornamental gate that welcomes people. all bungalows. >> what do you mean by that? >> traditionally, it is all on of little half story -- it is up on a little half story. they are smaller homes. there were supposed to be within reach of the average working man.
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>> architecturally, the bomb blows -- bungalows were derived from craftsman style and affected by the mission revival. this is a very attractive neighborhood. for years, i would appraise in this neighborhood and think, these homes are lovely. they have fairly large lots. they are set back. they are attractive treescapes. they were very under-valued. that has not been the case for 10 or more years. >> ingleside was more of a hodgepodge. it developed piecemeal. it was not macro planned in any way. >> this looks like it was over the track, but it is not. >> you will find early reports
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of people saying it was a dog racing track. >> this is the racing track. this is on the southwest side. >> ingleside terraces. it is the same thing with the residents park. we will have a giant sundial with a reflecting pond. it has pillars around each end. it has an ionic column. it was supposed to be a commemoration of the panama canal opening. he had these girls dancing at the dedication. he had a baby being pushed in a carriage. the sundial was dedicated at night. it is kind of a strange little
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thing. it is there and you can go see it. this is another before and after shot that shows it around 1900. this is in the 1950's. they started carving away. that building is still there. it is where the lakeside district is. i like the rocket. a well-known builder in the area, an admirer of henry ford, the idea of getting this down, having an assembly line, build this in quick-style. this is a 1932 -- i think he built this house. he was a pragmatic businessman. this has spanish colonial revival elements. a few years later, it is
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streamlined. modern. stylo-crat. it is better than being aristocratic. to sell them, he had to come up with clever names like that. like lafayette. he went with the popular taste. when the modern architecture started coming in, he was happy because it was less work. >> very little detail. you see detail in brought the city. people took tract homes and tried to individualize them in various ways throughout the cities. here is an example of how they might have done that. >> they had a lot of medallions and reliefs.
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>> the working class would go out to go swimming in the ocean. the wealthy would stay downtown like in the marines memorial or the elk and they would have heated saltwater. people wanted to swim in salt water. >> how did the water get there? >> there was a pipe that allowed it to flow all the way down. that pipe rusted out. people went swimming in the saltwater pools and they had different temperatures. >> you could have a cold swim or a warm swim. >> how did they heat this? >> he had a huge boiler.
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they're still trying to figure out exactly how he sucked in the sea water. he had a pumping system. >> didn't sutro make his initial fortune by being the engineer who figured out how to ventilate the mines at virginia city? >> that is the way he would phrase it. >> he drained them for water, not for air. >> he got backers for the tunnel. he said, we need this tunnel for safety, for air, for ventilation. he got this tunnel built and he got people to back it. just before it opened, it was proved to be not real helpful. he got out with his money. >> i bring it up as a reference that he had the engineering history, which allowed him to figure out how to do it.
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>> he was good that creating large, engineering marvels. >> this was one. the largest indoor pool. >> it might have been. it became an ice skating rink. i was there when it was an ice skating rink, probably the year before it was burned down. the mummies were there. >> he had that victorian style of stuffing everything he could into this place. he had seashells and jaguars and everything he thought might be interesting or educational to people. people would come over to swim, but they could also see a huge tableau of "the last supper." >> right over here is woodward gardens. he started collecting stuff. he invited people over and
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eventually opened it up to the public. he had a menagerie. >> it was an 1800 thing. >> could any of the people in this room go? >> ice skating. >> ice skating. >> you could see the remains of the pool. i thought the ice rink was made out of one of the largest pools. >> yes. you can see the ell that goes around. they tried to make it a tropical beach theme. they had a bunch of sand. like you could not go to the beach 40 feet away. >> it did burn down. it seems like it would have been a wonderful resource for the city to purchase it and rebuild it -- >> you could never afford the
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money to rebuild it. >> there were efforts to try to keep it. someone tried to sell it to the city in the 1950's. they kept it going with the ice skating rink. it closed and it looked bad. people thought we should buy it and keep it. other people wanted to put condos in there. a serious fire started and the whole place burn down. they still talk about it as a mysterious fire. it could have been an insurance thing. >> hello, gladys. was glad to hear from you and not going to return. will write in a few days. >> that is a bath and the house behind. >> you can see the chimney heating that area.
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>> a pool opened in the 1920's. they talked about how they were going to keep it, but they never did. -- to heat it, but they never did. >> this is a publicity shot. this was the world's largest public pool. they had lifeguards in boats. this was a beautiful building. it is boarded up and full of rats and homeless folks. this is a parking lot now. $8 and you can park there. the beach was a big pleasure place. they would go for sunday picnics and stay all day. an amusement park developed to cater to these people. >> i think we have a shot of the fun house. >> she was not in the fun house.
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she was in a glass thing at the fun house. it was an animatronics robot who went "ha ha ha ha" all day and scared generations of san franciscans out of their wits. it has a month-to-month lease at fisherman's wharf. >> they moved it to this temporary location at fisherman's wharf. they left an unusual little treasure of the city. >> ingleside terraces, again, i was trying to show off the residence park.
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a lot of crazy building. for still has one of the great stairways -- forest hill has one of the greats their ways. -- great stairways. this looked like a ship. they used to decorate fire houses for christmas. >> on the side of this fire house is a wooden tower. the tower was for drying the hoses. after they get water in them, they have to be dried. >> a fire house like this is for sale. if you have $1.3 million, which is really cheap enough for a firehouse -- >> one in the inner sunset was just sold. >> was it?
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i want to buy a streetcar. i cannot pay my rent. >> there were two of these for pumping water out of the ground. murphy gave a lot of money for it. >> what decided the boundaries and the location of golden gate park? >> it was a deal that they basically cut in 1868. the up side lands were up for grabs. it was u.s. government land, san francisco land, and then you had these squatters. these were rich men who decided maybe they could make some money. >> you put up a fence and you owned the land. >> it can to a compromise. squatters get some. you have certain military things reserved, government.
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we will create a public park. everyone donated a certain amount to create golden gate park. they also created smaller parks. there were all part of the deal. >> a lot of people got moved closer to downtown as part of the deal. if you are out in the middle of nowhere land and had a couple of acres, they would trade you a better acres somewhere else. >> how was it decided to put it where it is? >> it was controversial. people thought they could not put a park there because it was all sand dunes. people were pushing for a large city park in other places. it was a political compromise. >> between lincoln and fulton and the beach. >> you're saying, why did they decide that exact plot?
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they brought someone from new york to come up with a park plan. they eventually made it a rectangle. they had the panhandle part. the panhandle was the same with as golden gate park, but there was dealmaking going on between park commissioners and they decided they would buy the land and cut off part of the panhandle. >> the development of lincoln park is interesting. you can see the cemetery. >> on the map, it is a cemetery. >> what happened to that and all of the bodies? >> they decided around the turn of the century the land was too valuable to bury people. where uss is now there were four cemeteries. they moved all of the cemetery's out -- cemeteries out.
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the heir did not want to move one of the places. there are two people -- two places where people are buried in the city. the other ones were moved out. >> the big scandal of lincoln park, someone wanted to build the legion of honor out there. she did and she got it done. they had to prepare the land, the golden gate cemetery, so the people they hired did not get rid of any of the bodies. they got rid of the headstones. they built a museum. when the renovated it in the 1990's and started digging ground, nothing but hundreds and hundreds of bodies. >> skeletons. >> skeletons. it was a big scandal.
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they created a mass grave and moved to the remains. there are pictures. they have thiese skeletons sticking out of the wall. it showed the relative worth. they stopped digging because they would keep finding bodies. >> they are still out there. there are bodies all over the place. they used to bury people in north beach. they would go up there and very bodies. >> there were removed from many of these cemeteries. there is a slogan that is -- anybody know? "it is great to be alive." >> beats the alternative. >> i was wondering if gary boulevard had always been a major thoroughfare. >> it used to have streetcars on
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it. they are thinking of bringing them back. the b line and the a line where there until the mid-1950's. we are taking the street cars away, but bart will come out here and everything will be fine. >> downtown, gary ave. >> when you get past it, it becomes gary boulevard. >> they wanted streets to be large, they should have vegetation and trees, they should be ornamental. gary strieker was the main road from the 1850's. -- gary street was the main road from the 18th of the's. >> it was planned as a major thoroughfare. >> it was a toll road originally. we make people pay to get on the
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road and we make them pay when they get to the clubhouse. it was a toll road. >> i think that does it for today. thank you for coming and sharing your information and great knowledge. we wi patrick. >> welcome to another episode of stay safe i saw us prepare our crawl space on this episode we'll saw the sheer wall you'll see the finished product
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hi, i'm patrick and welcome to another episode of stay safe? the second part we're retrofitting the triple wall as you can see we've installed one of the sheer ply wall on the first episode we provided blocking to secure the ply we'd and bolted and provided the connection with the floor i'm joined by thor madison. >> thor structural engineers and thor knows more about sheer walls than anybody i've met in my life. >> it provides the stable ability that would rock before and after during around earthquake the nails along the
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edge of the plywood will reduce the chance of the building falling down. >> what else should we consider in getting ready. >> one thing about plywood a natural material that absorbs moisture and the panels can swell depending on the moisture if they swell they'll bulk out it is important probation officer leave a gap between the panels so before we install the next panel we'll drive in a couple of nails used to as temporary spares. >> what are the nails. >> 16 penny singers a good saying that and we don't need to be concerned with the exact nail size only the gap the next panel will be held with the