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at differentiated a narrow street might be two ways but cars parked on the south of the street at the dead end part there is a furniture business and at the end there is a truck delivery the nature between our building and the neighbors on 111 and the other street as well as ups and other types of deliveries the notion that building could house a dedicated delivery service is just horrible really the proposal to allow for four car spaces is nice that takes the cars off the street it only a two car garage wide so cars have to park two by two or in
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concert with one another at the time moment you cannot turn around without a 5 point turn and you add to that the potential traffic for 10 or 15 or, however, buses they have and stop we don't expect the business not to be successful especially with the cannabis use going through for next year no reason the business can't grow and next 10 or 15 cruise those if i turn into or four lanes of busy traffic like any other car would and the notion that that business will be at the end of our street is just ridiculous we've also had three or four
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break in and one six 1 has any security potentially it can be a security risk for us the operating hours between 8 and 10 is great but primarily the primarily business is to be between 4 and six or 8:00 p.m. thank you, sir, your time is up. >> if the commissioners have questions they'll ask. >> good afternoon. i'm a professor at the university of california of san francisco i'm a homeowners live across the street into the dispensary at the 160 gilbert the street i live on has 3 condominium buildings nonetheless you get the impression it is only
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commercials there is only one warehouse the other businesses have their fronts on a completely different street i'm opposed to the dispensary i have nothing against medical cannabis it is about the delivery business as my friend pointed out we're on a dead end street the traffic is terrible scott wagner having any delivery of traffic in and out that will destroy the quality of life that is negatively impacting not an empty space two businesses and those businesses park on that side of the street it says no parking any time i want to reiterate whether there is a car parked illegally it creates problems we've had problems with the businesses and a delivery
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business will make many situation much, much worse for us the last thing i'll say we met with the owner and he left hand to what we had to say as a matter of fact his own crew that did the reconstruction his entire crew parked under the no parking any time the notion he was respect and lived here my whole life to be cooperative i don't believe think thank you for your time. >> good evening. i'm alexandra watkins a homeowner on gilbert street across from the business for 21 years. >> i have no opposition as i
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don't think we do with cannabis as a business at all for a fact, in fact, i make card carrying marijuana for folks cannabis great delivery services fantastic but in that neighborhood at the end of one lane dead end street and dead-ends not with a round circle it is a gate like 5 point turn to turn around and if there is a car pafshthd in front of 161 gilbert street it is enforceable to make that turn so it is very problematic the additional of an enforceable street will be impacted by a state of delivery service vehicles there's electrical
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bicycles or cars and keep in mind that will have to be by people that get to gilbert street in a car or hope on a bike i implore you before you make a decision in favor of that i ask you drive down the street it is two miles away and you'll see for yourself how hard to get there and you'll encounter some kinds of problems to get there i want to say that the street can't accommodate two vehicles passing each other so i implore you to please reject this and take a trip down
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there drive down there and try to make that turn you'll see why it is so hard for us to accept them as a no way neighbor. >> okay is there any additional public comment? >> high my name is clyde i live there and . >> you've spoken already. >> but i can keep is quick i'm here to voice my support that to oppose this particular initiate the fact that is 45 apartments on the street and 9 off-street parking that's it so if you can imagine in our minds eyes the things and other traffic i'm a parent of two small girls another little boy
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in the building or and a number of children in the part times and so thank you, commissioners for taking the time and that's what i want to bring up at this stage. >> is there any additional public comment? >> neither here or there public comment is closed. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> a question for staff the zoning service light industrial what's the other types of uses that can be housed without any type of permit. >> the current use on the application was listed as vacant but the also legal was an office with storage space so starting
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that use will not require approval and then other uses. >> light industrial can that be manufacturing or repair. >> this is one of the western soma one of the indignity a spin-off of the s l i that previously existed no soma so things like light manufacturing, industrial, some business service uses things like that and there was an added emphasis for arts and any kind of artist will be appropriate here. >> so if i wanted to open up a printing press that delivers on the hour for stop downtown whatever they need for coffee and things would it be good in there without any type of
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permit. >> correct. >> the question foreclosure the project sponsor someone brought up in the public mr. allen you'll say no dissension indication of use what did you have to back up that. >> just in terms of the people that or working between 15 and 20 people that work there. >> excuse me - ma'am. >> hold on please. hold on. >> i was told. >> we're dlooish. >> when you say employees currently in delivery serviced. >> there will be an densification but not cars going in and out. >> the number of 4 collectives will total how many. >> 15 or 20 and the number of patience or members. >> the numbers will be in the
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hundreds i guess. >> this is direct delivery to the patients or to the dispensary. >> a lot of it will be innovation stuff like that the bicycles that deliver directly to the patients we want to rent to like standup businesses creating new cannabis businesses. >> the collectives themselves will have hundreds. >> we have mcds all the time and could be essentially in the thousand. >> yeah. i mean, i on the delivery will be primarily towards downtown not ambitious but not trying to serve the whole region the businesses will not be doing delivery at all. >> i'll than pass to in a
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second to other commissioners i'm struggling with we can open up a business that delivers virtually mo' magic that is serviced there and now another business to a different standards i get worried about the other mcds we've had collectives say how many painters the thing can grow very, very big and still cause an issue with the people in the unclassify district i'm worried about the number of deliveries densification of the street and i'm not worried the cannabis but the quality of life and the impact the businesses will have. >> and when this project was designed that was take into consideration like the four parking spaces the employees can park in the building and not
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take up street parking doing a delivery that. >> so the bikes themselves we don't know how many electrical bikes where do they park between the deliveries. >> inside the building autopsy there will be 6 bikes we're talking about. >> half a dozen bikes. >> thank you. >> was this the site were there was a auto businesslike that. >> (inaudible). >> okay. thanks and staff how about hours of operation and would that help to mitigate the concerns of the neighbors if he limited the hours of delivery services. >> the city code limits between 8 and 10:00 p.m. and they'll not deliver between the
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hours of 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. to limit the traffic impact. >> so they'll only be. >> early morning and late night and taking inventory in the morning and delivering between 6 and 10 and. >> p.m. >> correct. >> just do clarify has to do with with the vehicles coming in to deliver the product to the space like every morning potentially every morning a car may drive in and do a drop off and leave that's not happening during the normal 6 hours the peak hours correct in the evening would be you know after work i guess when the bikes are busiest i doubt at 10:00 p.m. anything happening in the delivery by his side of
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the business what are the peak hours of operation. >> in delivery or businesses. >> probably not until you know 10 or 11:00 a.m. until 7 or 8 clock at night and not a lot of high volume in the day people are at work. >> to the neighbors then is there a consequent the auto traffic and the truck traffic and employee traffic and all the above in one grandchildren the others would the hours of operation change our thoughts about the location. >> someone. >> to will be all the above and the hours of operation will not change our point of view a number of things in our buildings a number run their own
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businesses out of the building traffic at any time of the day is horrible you've asked questions about that space that was originally a meat packing company mr. screeniweeney curre car company. >> all of you live in the same building. >> commissioner moore. >> i'd like to ask a couple of other questions and has to do with with the land use culpability for many years under the strong leadership of mr. meekly could talked about the transformation ♪ area there was always a strong support for residential being adjoining and supported by small business that are compatible
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with residential for the people that clinch or do certain kinds of things are eyes on the street and their neighbors equipment working people that can coordinate and live next door to residential in in particular case i feel an inward looking high security operation i'm uncomfortable to a dead end of the street my biggest concern is that since november 8th we had a whole new discussion in front of the of us how we're under two different sets of regulations on mcd and as others or at at some point when we are more versed in the the subject property we'll look at them with equip i minor modifications about one and the other in that area of uncertainty
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frequency adjoining land uses, etc., etc. i'm concerned we are rushing towards something ♪ area he personally building that the parcel where it is requires a higher and better use that's really more an actual business or higher densest i'm not interested and unfortunately hardly ever seen mcd that - they're all don't secur don't *
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perjuring can't port in probably temporary but i'd like to have us together whether or not you're in the industry but hope we have more certainty i don't have that certainty at the moment >> commissioner vice president richards. >> when the meat packing company was there were you living there please. yes. i was living there we had a wonderful relationship they'll take deliveries in the morning and, yes had to navigate around them they were open and stop and let us go by a wonderful relationship if i were given the opportunity to take them back i would. >> how many deliveries did they have. >> - i don't understand how they operated they'll are a delivery come in i don't know
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how anything went out we never saw any. >> can you come up to the mike. >> if meat goes in arrest or cows. >> it was deliveries once a week on monday at 6:30 in the morning. >> 6:30 go to work and once a week. >> how did it go out that went out in that same truck. >> once a week. >> yeah. >> it was light traffic. >> all right. maybe the product the kind you can keep in a week. >> i don't know more than that. >> i'm uneasy making a decision based on what i think is too much speculation
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open-endedness we don't know with the densification looks like the effect is i'm on the line but concerned too much open-endedness. >> commissioner melgar. >> i sort of echoing the concerns of co-sponsor but i want to go back to the issue of what is permitted on the stays it seems to me the delivery of a bike not the problem but the delivery the product going in that creates a traffic jam but anything that is permitted in that space could have that impact and even worse so, yeah i'm wondering if you know by taking care of this issue you know god permitting it for the neighbors not opening up the
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doors for anything worse. >> looking through the code they talked about the expansion of the existing general commissioner industrial industries with an emphasis on the arts activity any kind of business that would make and deliver products is in support of what the sally district can side in this particular operation they'll be delivering and their dense on product development it seems like like the types of mcd the medical cannabis portion will be largely consistent with what sally permits ♪ instance >> the problem is the delivery they have to have something to deliver other than the bikes and
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the neighbors had a good relationship with a form occupant i don't know work they can't come up with - there's something not working with the relationship okay i'll leave it at that commissioner johnson. >> yeah. thank you i don't know. i agree i feel like something that is reading wrong this space this type of uses into the space i won't rehash it but one one of them requires a level of traffic unless - to get people in and out to get product in and out and to me looking at the facts i really see this is a a question of discussion of conditions of approval and maybe talking about limiting the delivery days with certain days not 5 or 7 days a
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week i don't understand why there will be a blanket moved to not approve the project or support the project are in terms of medical cannabis a larger discussion but the larger discussion is more about the drernlz dispensaries where tare selling retail on site and how we'll regulate this is much more of a back off of usage i would prefer the conversation went in terms of how to structure the conditions of approval to make sure that project didn't undully impact the neighborhood in ways that other businesses might not i mean, i support the project unions why or why not to continue.
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>> part of challenge the kind of fine-grain zoning it hits the western selma is supported by d mo to the south and to the east and adjacent but further down towards the end of the block r e d mixed and sally on the other side they looked a fine-grain when examining those parcels when the plan was adapted. >> i'll make a larger argument about it project i was sitting on the commission when we approved the office building on townsend and is going up right now i think that is actually important generally speaking we keep the sally w mo spaces opted out and businesses otherwise the next conversation is how they'll be demolished and developers
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will talk about how they're vacant and no one there but if this business that interests to figure out how to work with the neighborhood any business will have people coming in and out. >> commissioner koppel. >> yeah. i'd like to agree with commissioner johnson's comments still acknowledging all the concerns to the neighbors and also this is somewhat of a scope residential neighborhoods taking into consideration and the fact there aren't this is not a flagship for the neighborhood you want to have on a street wouldn't the dead end of an alley be the honestly the better
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place not to take up a highly visual location on brandon or location be a good location for this type of business granted we can talk about any conditions we want to impose and you know make this better but that's my thoughts on the overall situation. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> so i guess the gentleman read what the zoning is for but the security company having businesses how does that purport with that is this an illegal use. >> the how much of the current uses office and how much is dedicated to the service they
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fix alarms and things any physical product. >> the security will supply and service with skthdz all over the city and like in uber you get a security guard you you know them and get security consulting they'll give you a full on security service the whole space is used by them. >> why not just let them keep on going. >> first, we tried to develop the says that the other commissioner said we're being approached by the developers and for us we're trying to get added value and keep the development in the location you know older the alleyways in san francisco are so unique and beautiful i don't know we want to bulldoze and have a 20
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thousand square feet building i'm trying to figure out a way to keep the building and make it attractive. >> what will happen to the secured company. >> theirs in the process of expiring. >> question for staff so the cannabis dispensary didn't want to go in there but i want to put a wine manufacturing business can i do it. >> if they want to do it i can dial-up with a bike no special permits. >> correct a change of use permit. >> yes. their appealable. >> it would be subject to dr if this is within. >> - i guess i'm sensing from some of the other commissioners that given the fact that this is
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not a big disparity between artists and wine company and we should craft this with controls to limit the quality of life for that is impacting the further of the residents across the street given this is residential. >> commissioner moore. >> what you're describing is fine the only thing you're not seeing is the fact that for the right company the doors are wide open the windows are wide open anybody can peak in not the same this is a introverted because of the nature you can put diechldz or whatever provides the security the nature of this building we're not in holland's not a cafe to drink our tea and
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get our stuff and this is part of basically my seeing you this is a secured warehouse that's why the analogy of our wine company if flush because it is not i'm concerned that by the nature it has an element to it i personally don't believe offers easy to the street it didn't offer neighboring relationships with anyone and an unanimous business and needs to be secure that's what i personally didn't believe is xhafshl living on a residential alley we have people on the western frontier to do
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that that's my perspective. >> commissioner johnson. >> i want to see what you're saying commissioner moore but when i look at the s l i si zong the uses are not intent to be the pedestrian retail businesses they're much more sort of industrial in nature when i look at the met for that commissioner vice president richards came up with with the wine that sort of zoning you'll not get a glass of wine for tasting it is barrels in the back that's it nobody in the building so i guess i mean, i'm not seeing the difference
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this one is 4 corporate in under the staff city attorney their work and that's it - that's why i come back to the conditions of use because of site characteristics with a single sort of single lane very tight in and out and just the fact the entrance of the building is not on one street but the smaller street to me that is about conditions of usage i'm not seeing 24 of other businesses that would be allowed on the street. >> i wanted to comment i generally don't have a problem with the type of use here but understand the close proximate i
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am not - proximity but again i'll put pressure on the task force to try to complete some of their work before the proposition was voted on that may or may not shed a little bit of light but make our jobs a little bit easier those are any comments and urge the task force to complete their analysis. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> when we see mcds security plan a lot of information i don't see a lot of that here so you know and the neighbor crossing will i have guards across the street or cameras. >> not much more the cars will drive into the driveway will
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there will be activity inside of the building but not a presence outside. >> i'm leaning towards wanting to support this, however, i still think there is too much open-endness. >> it is open - the number of deliveries and customers and patients that is going to impact our ability to craft control around this use in that location. >> the operator is here having a small service he operated and can answer that specific questions about the delivery. >> i guess what i'm looking for with 4 cooperatives i want to see their business plan. >> see mo' magmore i'll conti maybe more information we got a
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memo last week and can see before we see what is going on with prop 64. >> we're following the only code. >> the building is leased there are people if it now no economic qualm we get a little bit more information i'll move to continue to - >> recommends some things they might suggest to mitigate the impact we'll completely open. >> (multiple voices) and show them. >> i think the focus on the project to have a high delivery but to create an r and d like an
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incubator. >> like oils and testing. >> you know when we see the mcds and break down the product level this many i want to see something more so we feel comfortable i look to move to continue it to february - wow. february 16th >> i mean ultimately in that type of permit the type of use there can't be manufacturing going on or anything like that it is like a development in the that mcd an actual mcd under the health code it the product development and packaging that is not like manufacturing take place or cultivation. >> i think one of the things
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we can craft or take a dr to do a continuance draft this much square footage into this type of uses and this much is delivery rather than just a blank piece of paper. >> yeah. those types of businesses none of them on their own is large enough to sustain a stand alone business so three or four working cooperatives together in order to get a space in san francisco and may not not the most lucrative business the market has forced this so i think you know - the market will dictate they'll do an r d and maybe locations and creams. >> that's one of the things that concerns me we don't
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understand where the market is going and all of a sudden a big there's not number of patients and deliveries if we understand that more we might say okay this many bikes whatever but a big open-endedness we're putting it in the right place with the right controls. >> we want to keep it as officers. >> i move to continue to february 16th. >> i like to push it out more with the high schools i believe we need a little bit more asking other people to advise us and have him prepare a more detailed plan in response to the questions given we're basically in the holidays so i'll say march we have - and it had been
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upon us to make decisions i want us to have more misguidance on the the subject property matter. >> will we have foblz by the task force. >> just to remind us the actual the ability to open a cannabis business will not be available until january of 2018 the state has a licensing procedure so on to be honest that is unlikely to have clear regulations proposed by the february or march. >> the thing concerns me we allow it for cannabis and those are things we don't know about. >> commissioners you can do
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things when you get the additional information from the sponsor you could suggest changes in hours of operation and delivery times and have a report back in 6 or 12 months to see how it's working a number of things to try to make sure that some of the issues on the street are addressed. >> and there's in terms of the timing the new state law that recollects medical cannabis is going into effect at the end of next year so all cannabis businesses need to be permitted to quality. >> they'll not be available until january 2018. >> my point is like those types of businesses if they don't get set up now they won't qualify for state licenses down the street. >> by january 2018. >> so they would if we pushed it to march second, 2017 a
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that's fine. >> a picture. >> yeah. yeah. we're okay. >> and you know if you know if - i talked with any client and from the delivery components that will potentially urban design holding up this project that's a small portions that have project they'll be willing to not make the deliveries out of that if it makes sense for this commission maybe. >> was there a second on the continuance so i know where i'm at. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you i don't support a continuance but hope the sponsors will consider i don't know it means not deliveries i believe deliveries on in sort of business but not deliveries everyday and see if that works for the cooperative businesses 3
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days a week we can get far down the road and other businesses like operations and noise and other thing about go along ways to helping here not supporting the continuance but hope that will be stated. >> for clarification is the continuance until march second. >> march 9. >> commissioner moore that will be good for us a commission to ask mr. schmidt to wrote us a paper to give us a challenge of thoughts and questions in addition he know eave gotten a call from dbi their intensely working on considerations looking at ahead and kind of asking questions and also looking to the task force there's a lot of attempt to talk about to each other with the - for the benefit of what we're
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populated to decide which is supportable but miter listen to other commissioners have discussing and starting to bring up. >> commissioner vice president richards. >> i think good reason for a joint meeting with deploying this issue and the demolition so maybe something on the action item lace. >> an informational what are our thoughts an challenge the broader ideas with the agencies to be developed into the types of code amendments and guidelines in the future but at least we're aware of it. >> commissioners, if there's nothing further, we'll move on to i'd like to thank to continue this to march 9 commissioner johnson no commissioner koppel no commissioner melgar commissioner moore commissioner vice president
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richards and commissioner president fong so moved, commissioners, that motion passes 4 to two with commissioner johnson and commissioner koppel voting against. >> okay is there any general public comment this evening? okay not seeing any, the meeting is adjourned in honor of mr.
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all right. the meeting will come to order this is the regular meeting did land use committee i'm supervisor cowen the chair and to my right is it scott wiener the arock and to my left is aaron peskin our clerk alicia and take moment to thank our forensics leo and nona melkonian for evaluating us in the broadcast thank you very much madam clerk, any announcements? >> >> yes. all electronic devices. completed speaker cards and documents to be included should be submitted to the clerk.
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items acted upon today will appear on the. >> okay great you both are ready to present on this item and shelly campbell take that away. >> good afternoon. i'm shelly the public works personnel we're here for the jurisdiction challenge from the point of privilege the item before you is virtually for the public works sewer system improvement program
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the sewer system improvement program is a $20 million investment required to renovate, upgrade our aging infrastructure to insure reliable and seismically sewer system for generations to come france is 70 projects 2 plus billion dollars is alter southeast plant which started out 70 years ago property jurisdictional challenge was initiate to enable the sfpuc to identify the space for the facilities at the southeast plant that is a challenge of the san francisco public works napoleon yard shown here located at the evans and napoleon in the plant on jerold avenue the challenge will benefit both departments with additional
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space adjacent to the facilities in the bayview the napoleon yard is adjacent to public works central yard at the caesar chavez the asphalt plant is adjacent to the that motion carries southeast plant both properties are just under one and a half aches the departments are accepting in the as is condition with that, i'm going to turn it over to sue black and claudia is here to answer any questions you may have. >> good afternoon, supervisors i'm sue black sunday night inform 9 director of proclamations want to let you know we've worked with the public works in this cleaver and supportive of it we store about one and 20 evacuees rolling stock and current asphalt plant
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and with the acreage we're getting adjacent to our operations we'll be able to move that equipment to the yard so wanted to let you know we're very much in support of effort. >> with that, claudia what you like to. >> no a quick question so given the proximity to the wastewater facility is that dpw. >> no public works. >> sure let me direct this to the puc i understand the puc buildings the property will compliment the capital improvement for the wastewater treatment plant how is that a compliment. >> we're in dire need of the projects going on at southeast plant this site is also under consideration for the future digester program if it is active
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proposed site will be a shop site north of the asphalt plant if you look at the diagram the asphalt is south of cesar chavez is located. >> uh-huh. >> so this is just a compliment in terms of staging location. >> what happens once the reimpelled is complete what happens to the asset. >> it will be part of digester facility so in what way. >> it is constructed. >> will there be a building or public arts. >> the digester program i might have karen address our questions. >> sure. >> consist of a number of buildings and plaza's over the site about 7 acres total. >> i'll call karen up good to see you. >> i was hoepd hoping to stay
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seated i'm karen and actually of the asphalt plant was a improvements have been completed and southeast that holds the energy recovery facility with converting that to power to help the plants to reduce their - >> a cogent plant.
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>> i'll take a motion on this item. >> i'll move that we i make a motion to send it to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> and acknowledge that my scheme together with ed harrington to make our asphalt plant profitable we should had had jurisdictional i make a motion to send it to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> supervisor peskin i'm sure that was your plan b. >> we didn't figure that out out at the time but the digesters is entirely different a decade ago. >> i'm excited to see that moving forward and it is incredible and both about time and eager to get this underway. >> without objection that passed unanimously madam clerk.
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>> 2 to amend the zoning map for the height and bulk for 1493 toe 97 and mac appropriate finding. >> okay. thank you aaron starr. >> aaron starr, manager, legislative affairs. enough time a health reclarifies for 1493 to open space or o s to 55 x i'm sorry to 40 x the rezoning was submit on behalf of the property owner the original require was 55 x, however, the commission reclarifies the height and bulk to 40 x referred in the ordinance before you the up to the time is located at the northeast intersection of potrero and schaefz e caesar chavez next to roadways with the
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showcasing plan it is currently development with a first story conducted in 1963 they found the commission confirmed the ooeshgz zones the specific property from m-1 to 40 x to mixed use open space the commission found the the subject property that was enadvertently rezoned as part of reigning as the o s designation for parks and open space and not intended for privately held property and consistent to have a mixed use and change the height and bulk to open space. >> the commission voted to recommend approval because the commission found the proposed ordinances allows the error in the zoning map to be corrected, however, the commission found a health is not wandered this was
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zoned 40 x and zoned 40 x or for open space in addition the adjacent to the park they recommend against a 50 x designation i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> it can't be zoned private p you said that. >> in theory could a, normally do that. >> and there's no pending development. >> nothing on file. >> okay. thank you colleagues if in questions to public comment open for item number 2 please come on. >> james counsel to the property owner just want to clarify this is just a correction of a clerical area from 40 to open space and wanted to correct the map thank
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you. >> thank you and also for the record the planning commission has approved this ordinance. >> the planning commission vote to recommend approval with modifications seeing none, no other will public comments public comment is closed. colleagues colleagues a motion to approve. >> okay. that was backwards madam clerk call 3 and 4 together. >> yes. item number 3 and 4 ordinances for the planning department zoning map and general plan to rise the height of the downtown plan and creates the 9 street special use district and the findings. >> thank you supervisor kim is the author of this item and i was under the impression. >> you said three and four;
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right? >> i said three and four so supervisor kim the author of 3 when they arrives we'll invite her up and go ahead and skip to the planning presentation thank you. >> give up emery rogers department staff actions are the general plan and planning code amendments for 1270 mission street in the soma between 8 and 9 street the planning amendment was sponsored by supervisor kim and supervisor peskin for the 19th street special use district will accomplish 3 things first increase the onsite forcible from 13 plus to 21 plus percent those affordable units will be available for 55 percent, 4 percent at 70 ami first of all,
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that suv will wave the floor areas and exempting the project spons sponsor, third open space required be provided offsite and the general plan will rise the downtown plan consistent with the proposed height changes to date staff has received a number of letters from business owners and organizations in the violated on october 26th of this year the planning commission voted to remedy the approval of both amendments and your consideration the planning commission asked you to consider increasing the amount even if onsite affordable units to 25 percent with the additional 3 percent available for others not
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exploding the ami that concludes my presentation. i'm available to answer any questions. >> anyone questions for items three and four excuse me - >> i'm told that supervisor kim is coming down the hallway so we'll wait. >> welcome supervisor kim.
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>> we just wrapped up a very brief introduction from the planning department and just wanted to give you an opportunity to give some remarks on item 3 as well as item 4 thank you. >> thank you, colleagues first hearing this item and thank you for also hearing this on november 14th that was continued with the does that amendment i'm pleased to sponsor the special use district a collaborative process over the last two years between our neighborhood and community members and our project sponsor that helped to determine an outcome that put together the desires and comments of all the shareholders and one part very little involvement from our office thank you to the project sponsor coming up with a project that everyone can support the proposed rezoning is supported
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by the planning department as appropriate for the affordable units at ami levels creating a dial that this broad talked about as a policy to serve moderate and middle-income it is supported buyouts the local calpers and the municipal employees as talked about two weeks ago the project sponsor has two years of meeting with the neighborhood and city staff and determined the solution that increases the affordable crayons a range of incomes and increasing of the base zoning of 13.5 percent of the below-market rate at the 5 percent of average area medium income which is equals a total of 26 united for one and 95 unit building a proposed zoning permitting 200
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and 89 did unit 20 percent are below-market rate to 13 percent of 55 ami and 4 percent anothers 90 percent and 3 and a half at 50 percent of average ami totally 75 bmr unit triple the based zoning and support from the filipino-american foundation the united playaz, the san francisco hawks collaboration and central markets and the building and trades council and better lines four district 6 and the poter hotel no opposition during the ceqa process and it services without protests colleagues thank you for your consideration i do make one amendment on page 21 line 25 which at the same hearing as a
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technical grammatical amendment so thank you and thank again to the project sponsor. >> i will move that technical amendment. >> all right. move that take public comment and move the technical amendment and move forward all right. ladies and gentlemen, items three and four have been called together would you like to testify and share public comment? >> thank you, supervisors thank you for the time eric my yes a collaborative effort throughout the process i want to thank the community and thank you to city staff and the st. joseph's for coming up with a solution that works well, that the community and supports the return and investment principles of california public employees system this city what work
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together and produce community-based outcomes that is supportive of it all i'm here to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you, mr. child's anyone else. >> okay public comment is closed. >> all right. supervisor peskin do you have that the technical amendment. >> the technical amendment to supervisor kim or would you like to read that. >> it is on page one at line 25 we are i'm all i'm asking is to delete at the same hearing. >> at the same hearing. >> all right. okay that's the only amendment >> so i did not make copies of that my apologizes. >> not a problem i'll move that. >> without objection. >> unanimously passes. >> all right. adopted now what about the entire body mr. peskin. >> i'll move to send the items
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with the amendment to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> all right. without objection that that motion carries unanimously madam clerk please call item 5. >> item number 5 age ordinance for the planning code for the citywide transportation that requires the development projects to - creating a administrative fee. >> get to the meat of why we're here today item 5 supervisor avalos thank you for joining us this afternoon he's the author of this item and will be making a short presentation followed by planning department staff and the planning department staff will go through the tdm. >> the floor is yours. >> thank you very much chair cohen we have before us the ordinance
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that will establish the transportation to demand management part of sustainability program part 3 of that and it is part a new way how to build our buildings in san francisco that align with the new version how we measure the cars and san francisco going from towards vehicle miles traveled from level of service we're looking how to shift places where people live and work from how they view transportation towards transit walking and cyclist and public transportation this is a huge effort that has been going on for many years that planning is involved in and geared towards having better health outcomes for how we do
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construction to increase the quality of our air and healthy lifetimes by lowering the amount of miles that vehicles travel that lowers the emissions that has the greatest impact towards climatic change that measure i believe will take more than today's hearing to snuff out i expect i'm introducing a series of hearing it will happen i don't believe what i've heard from colleagues and from others departments that we're not going to be able to pass this measure enemy after i'm out of office i believe this concept that is here before us today is a sound one but i don't believe i'm familiar with it towards the
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passage this year i'm saying this at the beginning of any talking points this is the temperature if colleagues today is our first chance to get into the legislative process with the discussion of transportation to demand management that will be heavy on presentation from sfmta and the transportation and planning to talk about where we at and how we get this measure and people from the public that might have additions or amendments to make as legislation i have amendments i'd like to make and have ready here today that i have ask the committee to accept after public comment but essentially recognizing there are differences between projects that are in the health and human
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services and for projects that should have a different kind of consideration in terms of so moved. >> so many projects don't have a high-level of vehicle usage attached to them especially residential we need new ones in the approach especially, when it comes to nonprofits there are nonprofits that human services that feel heavy transportation is part of a model to provide services or priority transportation services i think that is worthy ever consideration in terms of how we craft legislation going forward so i'll be introducing those amendments towards finding and addressing those issues to help the human services and nonprofits and in no others members of the committee that wants to talk we'll go to
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presentations from our different departments and first of all, sfmta broefrdz welcome. >> i'm thrilled sheryl vice chair of the brokering and glad to be here we're fortunate to live in a growing city san francisco will audio one and 90 thousand jobs and one hundred homes to keep obvious moving the city is adding to address the future transportation needs we need to do one big thing development to their pay your fair share and this will help our new citizens not all trips need to be made by car the focus to support new residents and
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tenants and making sure non-driving modes and giving folks choices that ordinance is initiative that is imperative and timely doucht it copes our air clean and our neighborhoods liveable by having people provide transportation options that is data driven and informed by the best practices it will be flexible that will be responsive it has a commitment to monitoring the outcomes and transparent in the way we've not seen in allowing the citizens to see what is going on with development we're hearing if other cities their looking to this ordinance as a model of the comprehensive effective approach from transportation to demand management this is our opportunity to once again be a model city for the rest felt nation and a laboratory for new ideas people wants options in
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increasing numbers of transit on for the and beautifies this will obstinately options for benefits not only the local neighborhood by the city as a whole and possible to grow smartly this is the time to make it and thank you. i look forward to this ordinance moving forward. >> thank you. >> thank you director brinkman. >> good afternoon emery rogers planning department staff and take a moment to announce the collaboration between the resources led to a very forward thinking program and like to express my sincere appreciation to the teams san francisco neighborhood services & safety committee the transportation authority and our own planning department for their years of dedication and hard work we've made progress as an aide with the transportation sustainability program the cf p
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is invest and align and shift two of the 3 are adopted the invest and align those two programs together exchange and reduce the ceqa process for a fee towards the actual transportation improvements and now today, you'll hear about shift the third component tdm seeks or the transportation to demand management program seeks to minimize car share in the new investment and support choices by the residents san francisco is a national and international leader in policies and procedures in this is a key step in growing smart with that, i'd like to introduce any colleague. >> i have a couple of handful for the clerk. >> can we do the slide show.
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>> thank you. i'm carli and from sfmta and joined by corey teague from planning we are honored to represent really terrific multi agency team from the planning department and the transportation authority and present to you for your consideration a proposed transportation to demand management ordinance new development san francisco is growing and file number can't add additional capacity for more automobiles to our roadway and even if we could that would be counter to our transit first policy and health and safety and other goals what that means we need to invest and extending the transportation to demand management choices and use your
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support to help people to choose sustainability modes the good news that the city is already had a right at work to expand the transportation system to entrance transportation management demand and plan for the next generation of transportation and the city is undertaking we're asking others to approve the transportation system and shape new trips before you today is the third component of this transportation sustainability program as you may know the t s p keeps people males or females and a as the city grows as ann marie said we're now here with the third component shift a change in how new development shapes this to reduce the need to drive the shift component links the first two components like supporting
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people in transit and walking and biking and reducing the vehicle millions traveled within the component measured. >> shift proposes an amendment to create a transportation to demand management ordinance focused on new investmedevelopme - so development tdm is physical measures and information and resources that supports sustainable trips those are you are measures that are controlled by the property owner and are focused on the trips of residents tenants and visitor to the sites tdm for development is not new to san francisco we have a number of measures in the planning code like unbundling
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parking for residential use requiring bike parking and things like that but to have the power of transportation to demand management we need to do better our proposal has been informed by best practices for development focused tdm across the country like having a holistic program that really focused on a goal our goal is about reducing virginia general assembly vehicle miles and linking to how much parking is provided onsite there is constitutional data that has stereotyping is the most powerful denominator of how people traffic and monitoring to insure the requirement and remaining nimble and update flexible the primary goal is transportation mobility but additional benefits from better environmental outcomes and approved public health department r public health and
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transportation to demand management measures get integrated into frontages from the beginning with transparency in a consistent manner instead of more ad hoc ways we have today but tdm ordinance that is part of the board outreach that has been done for the overall transportation sustainability program and for the - we've done targeted outreach and the input we've received from the commission and shareholders and developers and others has been reflective and informed our proposal so i'm going to i'm going to turn it over to corey teague from planning to walk you through the details of the ordinance. >> thank you very much. >> mr. teague. >> corey teague with the planning department great to be here we're also excited about this program working hard together on it i'm
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going to talk about how it will work how individual projects will be subject to and used in the tdm program the first is the structure of program it is unique in the sense the item before you is an ordinance that amended the planning code to create the tdm program and the requirements and create that structure within the code, however, there are 3 odd important documents that are very important to the program the first are the tdm standards which are adopted by the planning commission 2, 3, 4 august of this year the appendix is includes the tdm measures in details they may use in the tomato plan and a tdm clarification documents as carli mentioned a data driven program so we wanted to have a document that really put in writing all the data we use and these
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methodology that we use to develop the system she mentioned that tdm is a very dynamic field we using proven measures to the tdm standards are able to be updated more nimbly to reflect the current research from the projects within our own city or the nation at large so the ordinance would specifically state the tdm projects creates more dwelling units an inclusion for one hundred affordable housing and the new construction of non-residential and office buildings or retail for example, changes of use within the existing buildings that will be a higher bar that will apply to projects that are more than 25 thousand square feet in size and
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changing between the categories we've established in the program so i think a theme we want this program to be something that developers think about early on they think about how to incorporate many projects and they'll be required to submit a tdm application that will be reviewed announce with the application the overall application as part of a code compliant like any other code compliant the planning commission then they'll be a tdm requirement needed. >> so how specifically will the program work for projects well in principle each project receives a number of points to achieve and have a memo of options to achieve that number
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of points but specifically the starting point is determining the to death and it is intensifying based how much parking the project proposed the more parking the higher the target then how to meet the target the standards the listing of all the measures in the memo some of the measures for example, bike parking level a the amount and scales up there additional points if you count scaling of certain measures in total 56 measures for a project to select all of those measures are based on research and data in the field
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and they are assigned point values bans in their value for example, things they chuch one point and showers and lockers and other additional bike things they may achieve 2, 3, 4 or points and more specific like transit subsidies and reduced parking overall those receive higher point values. >> and going to the parking issue the amount parking determines the to death but, achieve the points by parking at or below the neighborhood rate the map you see here is the city broken down into the transportation analysis zone somewhat like we use those zones for transportation analysis in the city we have a model that
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use certain amounts of real data we'll touch on later to talk about the neighborhood parking in each the zones for residential and non-residential uses again, if you park at our neighborhood rate you achieve a rate and 10 percent reduction you get an additional point so something else that is existing about the program for a long time we were be talking about that at one point we had an "x" sell tool that was functional but not pretty people can use that's on our website but developed a user friendly online tool it is in data not for the public but using it with the stakeholder meetings to help people to understand how to use the program and how that works for the project i was going to
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show that stool to give you anguish idea unfortunately, because it is data and sometimes our technology don't align it didn't appear to look quite as nice and a as we see it i'll not show you the tool today but another time we're proud of it and it is incredibly user friendly and point and click with a measure and point and click all kinds of information and the measures you may be selecting. >> so once the project determines it's the fact of the matter and selects a measure that wants to use to achieve the target score and the project is approved another part we're excited about is a vigorous implementation strategy most of requirements in the planning code don't have a pro-active monitoring and recording we're a complaint based department when it comes to that, however, the
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city has approved budgeted staff in the department to work on the monitoring and the reporting requirements for the program so essentially before the certificate of occupancy for a project planning department staff will do a site visit to make sure the physical measures are in place whether the correct number of parking spaces, etc. make sure that p is in line he and ones the certificate of occupancy is issued that department is to submit a report the planning department to document how their meeting the requirement for the tdm plan that reporting is annual for 5 years and if they have no cliensz issues for 5 years this moves from annual to every 5 years the key we've be much more pro-active to make sure those measures stay in place for the
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life of the project additionally this will allow us to do some of our own do not collection and research so help to determine how effective measures are in san francisco that different projects are selected. >> and so that's an important element to keep in mind is that not only do we plan to monitor the projects for 0 staying within compliance of the team plan we also want to make sure that the program itself is staying updated so we do plan to update the standards over time tom reflect new research and information available that is a primary research in san francisco and also research that is done around the country that may indicate new measures that are proven to be effective or determine that some of the measures have the wrong point
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value up and down and clarify some of the language and for the measures to be clear we want to make sure that the program is effective so overall goal here additionally every 4 years we will be doing an analysis and report of the program that is timeline is in line with the county wide transportation timeline as carli mentioned we did a lot of outreach and one by one with individuals and individual groups one thing we can say almost every single group or person was supportive of the program overall and the policies, of course, some people have ordinances about some of the specifics and we've been working with them on that issue by and large we received a huge amount of support for that project and all of the commissioners
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recommended approval unanimously and we have a long list of groups here and others too that are supportive but as mentioned one of the wanted the program to go further. >> so what were some of the stakeholders input we received we heard they don't want to be disproportionateal and maybe ride shares should be permitted as tdm measures can there be exemptions for more than affordable housing we took all of those in and looked at it specifically the planning case report if august 4th we gave detailed responses to many of those issues through some we've worked on and to that point we passed out a memo that outlined
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some of the central changes that occur to the program the first one is parking spaces is not on the memo we addressed that at planning commission in august there was concern that poem would parking garages - we feel want to acknowledge that issue we changed the standards to acquire some or all the parking spaces to be counted towards the issued and 09 issues we're working hard since the planning commission and outlined in the memo that we gave you that memo specifically for the facing plan to go to the end the memo reflects a plan that is under consideration that we worked on with the mayor's office and
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talked to different supervisors about supervisor avalos with his legislation has a date feasibility method but the phasing plan will allow the development application by september 4th of this year that is when the board of supervisors received the planning commission recommendation they only have to meet 50 percent of their to death and projects that file between september 4th of this year and the end of new year 2015 will meet only 20 percent and filed in january and on they'll be subject to the full one hundred to death we mentioned we want this program to be something that developers consider early on and factor into their
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performa and recognize the projects some difficulty there to be part of the racial behind this plan and heard that there would be adjustment made to make sure that wasn't disproportionately bad for small projects and found that we capped the the fact of the matter minimum of 13 points that distanced the smaller projects like 10 to 20 or thirty units to reduce the parking more we we have proposing to amend the project to allow for lower the fact of the matter for low amounts of parking and talked about the original raised and the maps that was adopted by the planning commission used a fiscal analysis as i mentioned since then we've been conducting a more data driven approach
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using the zoning data from dbi to determine how many parking spaces on the sites we have a sample size if this is not complete we feel comfortable to use that increased the parking rate and most in not all the transportation that's an overview how the program works that concludes my presentation. i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> so you said you have additional amendments your recommending. >> the memo are changes many need to be made to the tdm standards which the planning commission will be required to update they're not amendments to 9 ordinance today. >> thank you
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questions or comments. >> we can go to public comment if not other presentations ta. >> director tilly chang. >> good afternoon tilly chang director the county transportation authority i want to echo and join with the planning department and the public to urge your consideration the legislation has accommodation of many years of collaboration between the agencies that benefits the planning department one of the things in recognizing director graham now sarah jones and others as you may know for folks watching from home that is the final 3 car sustainability program designed to better link land use committee u land use and shaping san francisco as low impact for traffic and carbon by pga this legislation the city
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will effectively reduce the impact of development on the transportation system but more importantly sdooishgs of the project and does so by providing sponsors a choice of features that have been shown to encourage walking and biking and sharing the benefits cannot be overstated as the interagency know we've been tracking the policies and this transportation to demand management measure is clearly most effective and cost effective to have reduction this far and practical and fair and approvals the city's monitoring program and location of the program bringing research and performance to the work and keeping you and the public regularly informed by the effectiveness i urge you're supporting and like to thank supervisor avalos for your leadership and all of you for your support over the years
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thank you. >> thank you before public comment i have a question for mr. teague if you can explain when is a project didn't meet the tdm standard what's the option to get kick in at this point and if there is a real abstinence but to insure the compliance. >> as proposed the meeting our tdm planned requirement is simply a requirement to have it approved as drafted we don't have you know an option for exceptions or variances but the menu is diverse and it gives project sponsors especially incorporating that and thinking it early in their project a lot of opportunity to mix and match measures to meet
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the requirements so of the requirements are measures you know physical capita envelopes reducing parking or providing for biking parking or car share some have no impact other than the space to the project and are simply cost for measures that provide for example, subsidies for transit passes or car share memberships or bike share memberships we feel flexibility to work with the tools and the program early on to find a tdm plan that is achieveable. >> now having a project sponsor that is signed off on a tdm plan and go out they're not living up to the plan what happens. >> at this point it is a standard compliance and
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enforcement issue like any for the planning code if we go out and inspection for example, before the certificate of occupancy and there's some component physical component of the tdm plan not correct that needs to be corrected brother they'll get in their certificate of occupancy if you go longer in year two or three and they're not providing some type of incentive or measure they're required to do they'll have an opportunity to correct that and if they don't then we'll go through a standard violation enforcement process which will be a notice of violation opportunity for a an appeal as well as - >> one thing to add is in our current most of our planning code is complaint based and we will be actively monitoring and have standardized recording forms and so not happen to find
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out they're not in compliances it is more pro-active totally pro-active while we're you're going relying on the standard enforcement to process found o found outing. >> if i may through the chair you'll sustain this regiment with would ongoing source of revenue. >> we're - we budgeted staff there are application fees associated with the development thought and approval for the tdm plan on the front when you submit your annual reports there are a fee with the application as well additionally, there are many projects from the past that have been required to reduce the tdm planning and there are
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conditions of approval that needs to be monitored so we have look at it and dedicated those applications fees and staff time and requirement will, in the code to conduct the monitoring. >> so the fees that accompany the annual submission of reports are sufficient enough to actively may for the number of ftes you need. >> that's my understanding. >> how large with the fees. >> the annual fee as proposed now right now is one thousand dollars. >> and that's in the future presumably born by the homeowners association. >> we're the owners of the property and that will be part
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of covenants and restrictions that they'll be required to put in their cc&rs. >> i can't speak to what they're to put in their cc&rs but a notice of special restrictions recorded on the site indicated that's the adopted tdm plan and they're to provide the tdm measures for the life of the project. >> i'll building it when i see it. >> all right. thank you supervisor peskin anyone else. >> i'm sorry are you making a presentation. >> public comment or. >> okay yes, we're open up for public comment thank you. >> thank you, supervisors for the opportunity to speak i'm megan the director of the program on health and quality and sustainability programs over
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the department of health i'm happy to support the transportation to demand management standards we feel have the potential to - for many years we've supported the strategy for air quality and transportation 3 priorities if the population health plan and reducing this is essential to achieving the goal we believe this is an important strategy for the - the housing and jobs that is estimated at more than 6 hundred thousand cars can be at to t to the quality of life more pedestrians will be killed and the efficiency of public transportation is going to decline we need to support walking and biking the tdm is a smart approach to provide
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greater credit their strongly linked such parking reduction and they'll over other bike facilities with retail additionally the flexible of the program will allow a scientist guidance for the best practices in - we're pleased to see the accountability the planning code lack going on oversight we believe the policies consistent with the human health r and wellness are good for public safety and active transportation we support the tdm ordinance and a program standards and looking forward to the planning department collaboration and other city agencies to advance the health of people that live and work in san francisco thank you. >> next speaker >> i. lien district 4 resident
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requesting a continuance from the item is not continued i'd like to ask how the tdm will actually work yet another idea put forth by the planning department and the - mr. teague referred to i goat certain amount of real data that's troubling the results are referring to to death outreach and also could be that code words for preaching to the choir an example of the photograph a photo avenue bicyclist and a skateboarder sharing the street does it mean that skateboarding is a valid use of transportation and most of features in the photograph are under thirty years ago finally the city listed for a federal grant for smart city's how is tdm
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consistent with that thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is arrest aerial i'm a transportation policy person are spur we prompt research and education i'd like to express our support for the tdm program verbally it is important to be thoughtful how we manage transportation impacts with the city and make sure the new transit first policy is - san francisco will add many homes by 2040 we need to do the best we can to address future transportation needs unprecedented gridlock we'll see if we don't get smarter about the practices we need more
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transportation option with projects first creating better ways to get around without a car from the city is to meet their goals we need to shift away from cars we support new residents and measure make sure giving people choices city partners have done extensive research locally and actually program that works the ordinance is data driven by research and provides a city to - spur is a total supporter and the city adopted the first two components and now time to finish up to today developers are approved tdm in an ad hoc manner its not benefited the
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community people feed and defer better ways to get where we need to go spur urges you to support this legislation. >> thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, supervisors my name is kathy i'm the project sponsor at walk sf for the laced year livable city has been working with the city and thank you to the staff for step forward in the congestion reduction we specialist the preach of the tdm but seeking 4 amendments we think are crucial to make the ordinance month effective and robust to that we have 4 amendments and with those amendments the ordinance will have the full support of walk sf and the livable city first all parking with non-accessory should be subject to the
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systematically we know the parking generates other trips and second the tdm goals should be linked to neighborhood transportation goals it adds new projects to manage - but this means that congested neighborhood will be unacceptablely accepted trip reductions must be based on the goals rather than a rate derived if past projects and third walk sf buildings the options should encourage the walking and have more points currently only would the memo item that encourages pedestrian amenity and worst one point an unacceptable amendment to encourage the developers to encourage walking and finally, the ordinance should eliminate the minimum parking requirements
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if parking adds trips why do we have it and have an ordinance that as developers - we should let the developers not have the parking in the first place we hope you'll consider on the job amendments. >> a followup question what will you see as options that encourage greater walking. >> so we've given items to staff so more - the research now for walking okay. let me start over the research that tdm team used to determine what logo into the menu not a lot of research that walking amenity to vehicle reduction and vehicle miles traveled it there's a lot of research that shows what stops people from walking so it is sort of a lot of research that shows what we could put in
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place that encourages walking we like to see the menu include those items we have that and can share that. >> i'm interested in examples. >> i want to see what that will be certainly our staff fee funds amenity for supporting walking and generally across the city but now a project within the project itself. >> i'll tell you in general lighting and landscaping and other heavy hiters calling those out specifically and more points was an example of something we've suggested earlier. >> and some have a dual impact in the buildings that have dual impacts on reducing travel by trips by car and encouraging in