of the occ a small office compared to most city departments we work collaboratively and you know as another example in the area of training credibility assessments, etc. john alden received a lot of training at the police department and now an attorney on the occ staff and has been extremely helpful with the investigators monthly holds a training on various tops and his trainings last if 2 to 3 hours but he's on the staff so the training didn't end with the monthly training and we recognize that with this report it shows us not only challenges but opportunities

and we are focusing on the opportunities. >> thank you. >> chief do you have a comment. >> just a question you're talking about manuals you guys have are those manuals available from any staff. >> sure. >> sure. >> commissioner vice president turman. >> commissioner hing and i wanted to follow up on commissioner vice president turman's question to mr. balthazar when we asked you about the training and there's alluded to a second ago as well does it pertain to recommendation one. >> uh-huh. >> it sounds like this is ongoing training the training includes at least includes a discussion of what preponderance of the evidence means in addition to witness

credibility assessment. >> yes. that's correct. >> is that in the form. >> i'd like to look at that training material looks like. >> are you saying preponderance of the evidence after that the evidence is in including the witness credibility. >> when we conclude our investigation we have to make a determination as to each the allegations against the officers we'll look at the evidence to see if increase enou evidence * >> is there any way i can look at any of it i'll appreciate it. >> commissioner that he last meeting commission meeting he

did indicate to you that as part of our orientation. >> okay. >> i asked i invited you to come to our offices you have an opportunity to speak with members of the staff. >> thank you. >> that would be helpful and back to recommendation 1-b i don't know if you have that in front of you, mr. balthazar and -- excuse-me. because i'm not familiar with the procedures manual. >> cited in the recommendations that refers to manual as page 14 and talks about other standards with proper conduct what are the other possible vmentdz that's 3 i presume. >> with those we have policy

failure training failure so there is a series of findings we can reach and the recommendations to expand it so we're on the same page and clarity to each the fltsdz. >> the recommendations to expand what. >> to clarify those finding we have findings and define them and i believe the recommendations to elaborate and expand so the investigators and the public will all on the same page to each of the finding would be. >> and which finding would it be where you would proceeded to file charges excuse me - if that's not the correct terminology. >> which findings will it be you'll preserve to be by a preponderance of the evidence improper conduct. >> that's the only findings

you'll go forward on. >> correct. >> all those other finding you'll not go forward. >> in terms of disciplinary. >> what's the term. sustained finding >> any other questions. >> i have one more the director. >> director hopefully i'm not jumping the gun i noticed the secretary is having the body worn camera i'm curious with the occ you've utilized the body worn camera to determine a determination can you give me a rough estimation. >> commissioner mazzucco yes, we are using the evidence from

body worn cameras to make a determination i think that deputy director balthazar can to the best of my knowledge we have not completed an investigation yet. >> not yet but we're requesting body footage during the investigation and the conclusion of the investigation. >> are you finding that helpful one of the issues i talk about your evaluating the credibility of the witnesses now you have you don't need to do that you have front of the you see that helpful. >> it will be extremely helpful the incident report and bhaepd before and after the enar counter i expect it be extremely helpful in assessing the kriblth not only subjects arrested but the credibility.

>> any other questions for deputy director balthazar that is payroll - >> (laughter). >> thank you, thank you. >> director. >> commissioner vice president turman that concludes our report. >> any other questions for director hicks. >> thank you deputy director balthazar next item line item. >> commission reports commission president report to oversee the reform and commissioners report. >> under commissioners presidents report, of course, your commissioner commissioner president is not here this evening she left no specific reports other than the one that

the lady will present momentary one of the rare occasions commissioner president loftus is absent but she has amply invited the information we need this evening i believe that next would be on this the lady that worked with commissioner president loftus on the next report. >> good evening commissioner vice president turman, commissioners director joyce hicks chief chaplin members of the public happy new year my name is ronnie i'm the senior policy in fact, over the commission and grateful for your time this ain't easy on december 2nd i present a memo asking the commission to consider their role in the

efforts if you remember the doj report in for 18 recommendations under the direction of commissioner president loftus i put these into 11 grounds and ask you to nominate yourselves i've had a chance to speak to a couple of you and like to go through them and make sure i have them correct if you have issues with those suggested leads i'd like to make so - and i'd like to clarify that based on some of our requests and some of the ones that were absent i also met with ms. a.d. won and assigned bans those tops that individuals had discussed or brought up being interested in, of course, we have an overlap if

some areas but ms. a.d. one. >> thank you for clarifying yes. >> so basically, not open for discussion (laughter). >> well to remember you as commissioner you'll lead on the work along with the answers from pd and well those you'll come back and present on the work that is done so we'll all have an opportunity to weigh in i'd like to talk about one cluster that makes it easier correct. >> so if not questions i'll go to the list the d go the community and external engagement on human error owe consideration of pages and

beyond commissioner serlina and eliminating obesity commissioner hing and minimizing transparent commissioner marshall and procedural justice commissioner mazzucco order reporting to the commission commissioner dejesus and commissioner reporting and commissioner vice president turman in identifying the trends and commissioner dejesus. >> all good? >> just one question. >> by all means. >> i notice that madam president didn't get mo' magic it that because she didn't want anything. >> i wanted to know got it i'm not saying we should get one. >> (laughter).

yeah >> i think i've mentioned again, this commission that responsibility for the entire process we have captain conley and others presenting once a month on designing a dashboard that makes it easier to track recommendations or issues in the effected area so - >> okay. >> any questions for many a.d. one and commissioners those are the taufshz we've seen and heard there is a topic that is if someone wants to substitute and change we would prefer the topics you get back to ms. a.d. one please do that by the end of this week so; is that correct. >> you'll by the way, be invited to sit in the group that

the recommendations that pd it responsible for . >> absolutely we notifying the other leads if you want to participate in other areas we'll welcome that participation as well and also desiring the public engagement working as well. >> great, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you sergeant killshaw next item. >> item 2 d commissioner announcements and items for consideration another future commission meeting action commissioner melara i'm concerned with our own programs and policies so i wanted to propose a couple of things the

top of the list is the election of officers that has not happened in this commission when it is supposed to so i notice that it has been put on the agenda and taken off the agenda that's fine the issue whenever the actual election of officers for this commission should happen in may and we never suspended the rules for it to be move forward to other times so the issue at that point we're so close to may i would not. >> so at this point, i would propose that we at the next commission meeting put an item on the agenda to suspend the rules and continue with the officers we have until may when we can conduct an election of

officers at the right time and that way we will be on a year cycle when we are supposed to be that's all you know that's the proposal so we are in you know either - because if we hold the elections you're not following the your own rules so it is best that you suspend and take a formal vote and suspend the rules and have the elections in may when it is supposed to happen that's one and the other one of the things that has been proposed as is the retreat our retreat i want to have sometime on the agenda to be able to go through some of the city procedures i've seen not followed in the commission. >> okay. >> well sergeant killlshaw can you make note of the rules

suspension for the next commission meeting and as far as the agenda for the retreat commissioner melara can speak to ms. a.d. one about that. >> okay. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you we've had a lot of decision about working with proposal mental health professionals and the overwhelming majority of the contacts involve mental health people and having a presentation from the police department and mental health professionals we're working on having more folks hired by the department of health but the reality it is the most important issue we'll deal with this year how to continue to work with other city agrees

so at some point in february we should a a hearing where we'll find out what the other agencies are doing we did this we had one of the lead doctors from the hospital say we have the number of beds and the chief felt they're not doing their jobs so not having everything on the lapse of the officers and tying up the ambulances and officers we need to address this issue sooner or later and the community is in agreement with the police department we need a meeting what is the best practices what are we're going to do to have an impact on public safety in san francisco and not humane we have people on the streets that our officers are the ones that deal with that and putting it on the officers

and good-looking public safety and to the point where everywhere i go in the city the only thing people want to talk about what are we are doing about the poor people on the street in the mental health crisis this is the issue all the numbers we deal with involve people in crisis so i'd like to have a meeting you know put it together pines who should participate but in february take that issue head on. >> okay can you just clarify what the agenda item will be would be a - having a presentation by whom? >> the idea i suggest we have the department of health participate in the presentation that we have the medical staff as once before from san

francisco general hospital and come up with the best practices and give the public the i can't do what is happening in the streets when i read an article in the chronicle one person that has been 5150ed the number of times more than double digits and clearly a failure so sergeant killlshaw sounds like we need to open a up a dialogue with the department of health and the commissioner to try to work out a presentation and have as well as discussion of best practices i don't know if commissioner you that want to be the person with the sergeant killshaw and come up with a date i know the first of february but

given that there will be one-on-one discussion you may have to schedule it farther out. >> i'll work with secretary kilshaw but the most important issue we will deal that. >> thank you. >> commissioner any more now announcements and discussion of items. >> i have one more. >> commissioner melara. >> i think for sometime i've been asked to put on the agenda again, a safe place i think that you know considering you know our press and climate around the nation certainly in san francisco we need to figure out how to help people that maybe in need of assistance this is the great program and we have not moved on it. >> okay

so could you with commissioner melara get that on the agenda. >> yes. i've been working with j.c. redman i've identified a person as i mentioned your concern having someone act ownership over the program and not someone kooirl through i identified that person who will be become available in february and so we're working to schedule that to happen. >> okay. >> commissioners any other announcements and scheduling of items? >> okay hearing none, thank you commission succeeded next time line item. >> public comment on items 2a through d. >> public comment.

>> on items 2a through d. >> jackie san franciscans for police accountability the office of citizens complaints is a toothless watchdog trying to array the public's outrage that precedes minor cases of police wrongdoing and willfully ignoring the scandals the occ didn't live up to it's potential this commission didn't want it to it starts at the top joyce hicks you're more concerned with statistics and timely filing of paperwork with systematic change you know your investigations don't result in discipline why for you to go after the police will be a political risk no incentive to be a watchdog our

concern with improving the occ administration and that's why the public is given so few details on the activities of occ you're about producing. >> address the commission not individuals. >> producing statistical reports to the police commission and meeting deadlines rather than having a genuine diver store police oversight that report shows you this late date that investigators are not trained properly that there's an data correction system and among outrageous problems in the okay we learn that recovers have only now being told about the preponderance of the evidence standard this is unbelievable and investigators need to be told that will witness credibility guidelines and interviewing of witnesses at this stage is shocking the

investigators should have those investigations mafrtsdz how to make a use of a checklist come on in this report investigators should first receive guidance guidance on the general framework and process of an investigation what has not been doing all this time and why haven't the investigators been interviewing all the officers in officer-involved shootings what are rewaiting for . >> i'll briefly respond to that as an attorney practicing law i'm going to going c lecture e training refreshing any knowledge and information along many standards and standards of improvement is often updated

often changes in the law there are often changes in reviews and credibility assessment changes because new reports and new information become available to that none has said the occ investigators have sat around not knowing what to do for all the years but ms. this is what the tooth is and what is going on in the occ are individual trying desperately trying to regard the claims i'm sorry that didn't meet your standards but nevertheless, they're highly trained individual and doing a public services and doing a good job. >> next if i may. >> if i follow-up i've been on

the commission 8 years and the leadership of the occ under director hicks has before a vast change compared to years past the level of professionalism by those who work with the occ and the professionalism from director joyce hicks has been far aspire and i'll tell you this they working hard and across the city people under the circumstances is negative and not productive they've actually looked at this their own initiated to do better i can't sit here and see the occ be criticized with all the great work they're a national model national model other cities are following so unfair to sit here and leave this open-ended they're not doing their job we all can do a better job the occ

and commission we're not perfect and want to make everybody happy but they're doing their job. >> next member of the public. >> my name is john jones may my comments please the commission i've been dissatisfied with the way the commission conducted the meetings for the following reasons with all due respect i couldn't follow the chiefs numbers i don't think that is fair to read off a series of fabulous that the chief did and not to criticize the community but as a member of the public i couldn't understand or retain all the numbers you read off with that manner the presentation didn't help me to

appreciate the report or giving any kind of a rely second of in all a technical objection i keep a look out hear what is most of what is said expect explicit for the last speaker what the commission says and the chief says is often what the theatres call - buzz what you get to read the comments or the dictation on the screen there but not the same i'd like to hear what you say as you say it i think most people here would like that as well finally i don't know how as a member of the public can expect me to respond to the report i just read about that in the examiner the other day and couldn't find that online and i'm - i have to agree with the

prior speaker and respect this commission let's occ skate and i've seen it went and time again, this commission looks the other way i'm horrified by the idea that occ investigators are going to make credibility reports about police officers that's not their role and honestly, i don't think occ has the power to do this meeting is a a theatre in which the tenants of the incremental myself included is neither expected more welcome please understand i do not tint disrespect of the difficult job i know there are 48 hours in a day thank you for your time.

>> next speaker, please. >> hi commissioners, thank you my name is - executive director of the advisory board and the motive of a transson i appreciate commissioner melara for bringing up the tack place initiative and have a visual from seattle officer met with commissioner melara and myself and sergeant shields and several people department of justice and formally commission even though san francisco has the tolerance of lgbt community as a parent and wife not always safe for the transmembers or lgbt to be out in public this initiative is one in which that involves

businesses they'll get a sign in their window and will be printed to say san francisco police and then they will offer someone felt threatened or attacked outside of their business see the sign and come into the business and the business will keep the person safe until the police arrived this is rolled out nation wide in february nation wide pr campaign and seattle would love if san francisco is signed on in february as a member of the community i'll volunteer to help like bank of america is funding the posters and such in seattle maybe would have one of our businesses to fund it and i'll volunteer my time to cooperate to businesses to engage them thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good evening karen san

franciscans for police accountability and and must concur we any colleague jackie assessment of the occ effectiveness i'll read from the blue ribbon panel report chapter 5 on the oversight page one 14 statistics by the police commission and the occ reveals that officers are disciplined as a result of occ complaints and when they are the discipline is generally mild the occ residences a small 10 percent complaints also not able are the grounds first failures to collect the data from traffic stops from 2011 and 2014 those allegations are not rays by opponents or added by occ

investigators during the course alleging a separate act of a traffic stop but added into complaints raised by the public making that appear that more of their complaints are sustained that's why the complainants go to today and second the occ has not had a single complaint of obesity to more than 2 add and 11 have been filed since 2012 and ample research both bias policing by sfpd i wanted to point out that the december 27th carpenter article seeks that captain conley in charge of implementing the u.s. doj recommendation allegations that

the doj have an audit of officer text message to determine if racist text messaging is on two separate - and the deputy at that point pledges to do so but co-sponsoring to captain conley not sure the inspection audit has been conducted or going to be conducted or planned to start this is imperative we really need to get to the bottom of the racism and racist text messaging i know you have a lot on your plat but need for bias policing if you're going to see the evaluation to the community

thank you. >> good evening, commissioners and everyone happy new year i'm sure and i'm here as a native san franciscan and first of all, i want to say in regards to the chief report i'm encouraged on one hand and on the other hand, a little bit an apprehensive the progress i've seen on the street level that as far as range and file how their dealing for example, on the mandel case a few of my friends witnessed the officers trying to really seriously revise the brother that had gotten shot on mandel they felt in bayview hunters point this was different

attitude thank you tony that is indicative of your leadership and the other thing maurice beretta so the shot on enlivening thank you for making arrests, however, arrest didn't equate with success for the mayor's office and having to submit a lot of data to the feds we have given a lot of data as well we all know if we encourage i'm so sad that tony will not be here we encourage rank and file to arrest people so that we have staff will look good we and brown and black folks are back in the same condition worse than fighting for in terms of you

guys profiling us whoever the shoe fits whoever i think that we need to address that little thing i know a whole bunch of us get arrested because, however, it is changed has been changing throughout the city the rest are not as brutal even for myself i u you know so the arrests are in the as brutal as in the past and certainly from the top cop leadership chief chaplin i'm looking forward to working with you guys under this new chief although i'm disappointed it not tony but maybe a fresh eyes is a what we need to get the poa under rule them in or get them out that's all i have to say.

commissioners we'll be working together to make agriculture justice to the city tony i hope your working closely with the new chief. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> mine is a video because someone said last time they didn't hear the audio. >> advertised one thing to anticipate a death because of old age or sickness. >> it is quite another to experience the sudden violence death after a loved one

(shots fired) (shots fired) (shots fired) since 2004 san francisco has an unprecedented amount of homicide sirens. >> (sirens). >> 60 percent of the homicide

victims are people of color their loved ones living in neighborhood of scleral and neglect must deal with their personal tragedies and at the same time crime and violence of unsafe neighborhoods are surrounded everyday. >> (shots fired) (sirens)

excuse me for this one i was thinking about lieutenant o'brien 59 homicide and 31 arrests of the arrests how many of those were convicted they said the arrests that means their jobs were over are they convicted of their homicide any sons perpetrators were caught, too, and they were let go so, i mean i don't know understand they closed the case were the 31 arrests were there convictions over the 31 arrests for homicides mine wasn't. >> thank you.

>> next speaker, please. >> (inaudible). >> my name is richard i'm a retired city working in the 5 hundred block of geary street our police are dedicated servant in the city life we know that many suffer the causalities of war we voted for the average pension which is 50 percent more than other works take our retirement fund is health the first investment the details will not be made public that to 5 in favor an unqualified retiree with an ambitious seat of lies - the challenge could

give the police and fire 47 votes consider what happened to the renter fund in dallas to spare city starpdz we urge all retirees to rotate for the incumbents. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker, please. >> good evening, commissioners and acting chief and i was what the office of citizens complaints for 15 years director the berkley police review commission and the invented police auditor for the city of san jose for the civilian oversight and enforcement i want to commend director joyce hicks for having the report done on the office of citizens complaints i want to say i was surprised at

the finding understanding one a especially regarding the preponderance of the evidence standards and making credibility evaluations those are basic thanks things part of occ process since day one that is part of the progress and the fact that that - the recommendations one a is a matter of concern and the issues that were raised for the need for ongoing supervision of investigations also raise issues several questions come to mind what exactly that the training program at the occ these things standard of evidence credibility analysis fieldwork conducting views those things should be part of the initial training and

bio not to my knowledge ongoing training as chief chaplin asked are their materials available many have procedures available it on the website the office of citizens complaints being given additional authority in officer-involved shootings we need to ask protocol and have they think trained in officer-involved shootings and analyzing body worn cameras footage occ investigators being called out to the scene having send someone that looks those cases that are called out in the past that is for the occ investigator that