information dissiminated bystaff and your last meeting december i commented on the fax sheet which to my understanding is still being distributed. i have a response here i like to share with you, 5 pages and i encourage you to ask your staff if there is anything in my response they disagrew with because we need to be on the same page and willing to have a dialogue about it. i was pleased last week that staff in presenting to the state water board didn't mention the figures they used before. they didn't use the inflated de-mind projections or economic impact. they didn't mention east paulo alto water issue. bosca last year used 126 million gallons a day from the 184 cap. there is a lot of water available. it is allocation issue and there was no suggestion san francisco may be cut down to 25 gallons per capita per day.

all those are spelled in the document. i think it was a credibility issue and not just for the sfpu c it is who they are sharing information with. i'm disaponted with mr. sharpentears comments. for the two plus years i have met with city council members to explain the issue and drafted the calloges memo that put the issue of transferring water to east pal o alto and feel stabbed in the back by his comments but i don't blame him because he gets information from sfpu c staff. it is very interesting the last week turlock irrigation district has been dumping a lot of water to lower tuwallmy. last year after a 4 year drought san francisco public utilities commission

captured enough water last 2 and a half years, this year it will fill up easily. there are benefit tooz the high flows but there is much better benefit if it was spread out through critical months of february through june and throughout the years. had the fed been in place over the last few years this storm and this season would compensate for any deficit from higher flows. we have enough water in storage to last 6 years. i have lot more to share with you. the [inaudible] points out in a average year the sfpu c has the ability to capture 3 times as much water as it uses. that is in the document i sent you. i really encourage you to provide leadership today and direct staff to correct the record and work towards a real solution not just put down what is out there right

now. we are willing to meet. we have the coilation bay area water stew ards. i have no response to my communication, it is all out and frankly disappointed. nicole san coola is sending letters to decision makers that say my communications do not meet the flesh hold of fairness and professional responsibility. you know, this is just absurd. >> thank you. mr. gothburg. sorry- >> i'll-because i'm not a engineer, but i believe in open governance and good governance so i trust that whether it is true or not somebody feels like there is a problem with integrity or transparency and something we have to address because there is a lot of people in the audience

right now and a lot of people want to see that it matters, so through the chair if it is not objectionable i like to see staff would provide us a memo in response to the memo that we just got from peter just so we can begin to figure what the facts are. i think now it is question of fact. just a question of fact, but i don't know enough about it to really comment on, but i would like us to get a little bit of the assistance from staff on this item mpt >> not sure what form that should take. i agree with the sentiment on that. what we need to do is get facts out there that are incontvertible. you notice there were not some discussions there that economic numbers are difficult to interpret and it is hard to know how to put weight on them

and that want part the presentation for that reason. i think we do need to respond to those issues and make sure the facts that are out there are solid and well defended. >> i think it will be more ideal for staff to be in a position to outline the issues. in this case you peter has basically outlined the issues that are of concern. i dont think that prohibits us from using that same format, so i will hang on to this document with the hope that staff will find the time over thecourse of the next few weeks to bullet point or address some of the concerns so we can show we are move thg ball. >> as part of that where there is a underlying issue, difference of point of view i think we can point out there is a difference of points of view so how you deal

with projections of economic growth. >> the only reason i raise it is because i bleechck in the staff. the only reason i raise it is because once somebody truly believes we have a integrity problem then we shift gears a little bit and just try >> student to get more control and handle on it and if it is a question of strategy it is what it is. >> fair enough. mr. gothburg. and then mr. ceesler and also sarah curesh. >> thank you members of the commission. thaupg for placing the bay delta walter quality plan on the agenda and for the opportunity to speak. i appreciate your services through the sfpu c and other executive volunteer activities. by way of background i'm a consumer of hetch hetchy water at home and work. at home my family 4 or 5 sometimes uses less than

100 gallons a day, typically a lot lower than that. a technology comp where i work we identified ways to reduce water consumption. every gallon we save could mean more there environment and understand that and that is my goal. my company has given me the time to be here today but i speak for myself. i'm here to advocate for support for the bay delta plan which provides a greater flow from tributaries in the san joaquin river and hope you support the plan and sfpu c can be a reliable partner advocating for healthy bay delta eco system. i ask this because of the sfpu c because i atepded the merced hearing and heard hatred for the state water control board and staff. i heard merced elected officials and

farmers threaten to unlease the dogs of war, hound board members at their place of work and homes. frankly i was disgusted by the threats and and information sited and my opinion i think inaccurate information is being provided to you. has to be through staff at water, power sewer. i don't think we realize the benefits to california economy that will accrue through a healthy basin. working together to better understand the data and issues can this understanding be acheebed. i back packed in the sierras all most every year for 50 years and seen the changes that have come about for damming rivers and diverse of water, years of drought have not helped so need this plan and reliable partner and insure the proper framework is in place so every gallon saved can benefit the environment. with the

requirement measures flow at the proper time, increased deficiency and agriculture and business and homes we can include including salmon, steel head and greater eco system they support. thank you again for listening and your service to all of us. >> thank you. cishmer. sarah ruresh and bill martin. i have been given a note that alisa rod regage is here to sign up for clean pow cleanpowersf. >> my name is les cishler. the last 40 years i back packed in the high sierras around the san wukeen headwaterers one of californias most important sources of water. my daughter was born in san francisco and son in law works in san francisco. i live in the santa clara conte water district. san francisco bay and delta is a important natural resource not only for what we humans can

take out but also for the many other life forms that dependent on the bay and dealty who suffered over the years from the lands fills that deminsh the size of the bay and water diverted and export of the way. california is currently facing a problem. the problem is a delima that exists between a finite resource and a non finite interest in using that resource. the finite resource is the water in the san francisco bay and delta. there are two major non finite interests in using that resource. one of these interests is corporate export agriculture in california central vala and looking for new ways to divert and export water away from the delta. the other non finite interest using the bay and delta is los angeles expanning urban and suburban growth and continued

depend for more and more water. the plan is presented to build multibillion dollar tunnels that doesn't resolve the finite versus non finite that makes it severe. it is important the delima is recognized by all in the state including our legislature and public agencies. there is value if the san francisco public utilities commission goes on record acknowledging this delima between a finite resource and non finite demand. if the pu c has already gon on record doing this it is to be thanked. thank you. >> thank you very much. sarah curesh, bill martin and sydney leaves. >> thank you, sarah curesh at the sill gone valley leadership group and appreciate the opportunity to speak today. the silicon valley leadership group

represents more than 400 sill can valley employ rbs and provide one of every 3 private sector jobs in silicon valley and contribute more than 3 trillion to the world wide economy. the leadership group is committed to helping insure the region has access to safe, clean and reliable water it needs to remain vibrant while also protecting the environment. many members in the region rely on inwaltzer from the toileomy river and need access to safe and secure water supply to operate the businesses. we are concernedads proposed the sed can result in immediate and mands tear cuts in the water supply of up to 50 percent during times of drought. this not only will effect business operations through potential sales and job losses, but also greatly reduce the availability of water to the employees of sth companies for the every day living. we strongly support the environmental goals and a stable and affordable water

supply for the business. we are fearful a lengthy process will be costly and not lead to improvements we bl seek in the near future so we support the governors efforts to reach a voluntarysetalment between the various stakeholders as a way to develop a shared solution that provides water for the environment and business and communities. >> bill martin, sydney leaves and will durwin. >> thank you very much commissioners and thank you for adding this item to your agenda. bill martin and lived in san francisco since 1972 and been a direct customer the sfpu c since 1979. i attended the january 3, 2017 meeting oen the bay delta plan in sacramento

and heard a raisk of view points. i will read quotes from a editorial published in thesicrimento bee on january 6 by a farmer named walt shoeman. i felt mr. shoemans comments were echoed at the january 3 meeting. mr. shoeman writes i watch for decades as [inaudible] took every last drop of water and left many miles of the stailt second largest river dry. i saw how farm run off polluted with pesticides representing the lions share of the rivers flow. these conditions led to the san joaquin named americas most endangered river in 2014. it is isn't too late to revive the tributaries and fisheries but it will take more than returning 40 percent of the flow which isn't enough of a change from the status quo. only a

third of the water now reaches the san joaquin delta. scientist from fish and wild life agencies conservation group jz water board agree it will take 50 to 60 percent the flow to do the job. i use this quote because i saw the presentations of the calt department of fish and wild life, u.s. fish and wild life and marine fishery services. these groups are united calling for 60 percent. calling for studies and charts and data supporting their positions. they emphasized it took many years of low flows to create the conditions for the pelagic organism decline happening throughout the est ware. it may take many years of higher flows of the echo system to recover. habitat restoration efts such as increase use of flood plains for bet rb

salmon growth requires higher flows to be successful. the commission, your commission now has a important leadership role. the science is clear, higher flows are a critical piece the recovery. police work with the water board to make it happen and thank you very much. >> thank you. sydney leaves. will durwin and [inaudible] >> sydney leaves a resident of south sumateo countsy. water decisions made by the board have consequencess for the health of the san francisco bay and upstream echo systems by virtual of the significant impact upon decisions that have upon the decision they upon the percentage of natural water flow mandate frg the san joaquin rivers. mindful of

diverse interest involved i can only urge and support your giving careful and caring consideration to the data and please of informed voices deeply concern ed about there eclogical health of the bay. >> thank you. will durwin, chris chute jz shar lean woodcock. >> good afternoon. i'll be brief for the sake of our time. will dirwin and bay area native and depend on hetch hetchy water. i support the prose poll because i believe it is imperative to increase flows in the delta . the bay delta has habitat for over 500 species. it is a major stop over for the fly way and

path way for salmon and steel head. in 2010 determined 60 percent of unempaired flows between february and june is necessary to protect the fish and wild life. as you know currently much less than half of the flows from the sierra reach sth bay. to not have a healthy bay telt delta that supports the fish and wild life will hurt us and our future generation jz for that reason i urge you to support the plan. >> good afternoon. chris chutes with cam sport fishing protection alliance. this is the first time appeared before you but been involved in the toileomy since 2008 and delta flow issues since 2010. before my time cspa california sport fishing protection alliance was signatory to 1996

settlement agreement. in 1996 the maximum anual flow requirement established for the river was just over 300 thousand acre feet per year, about 15 percent of the rivers average annual flow. the settlement placed most of the emphasis on non flow measure. some of enmeshers were implemented. more were not in part for lack of fund and in part because no one seemed willing to spepd more money when the first few projects didn't seem to be effective. we tried the non flow measure 20 years ago. 15 percent of the average anual flow will not get the job done no matter how much gravel you move or how many pits in the riv you fill in. i like to reference respectfully mr. ritchie's caumpt that 37 percent the water is left in the river. that isn't accurate. 15 percent is allocated to the river. if the is additional water of that 37

percent much is retained in storage unless there are flood flows, transfers or other kind of specific uses for which water is designated. in 2009, the city's representative told administrative law judge to increase flows will cost millions of dollars in bay area impact in drought. greater flows can't work during a drought therefore nothing could be done about increasing flows any time at all. part one of the argument was inflation of impacts, part two, using the worst case to crush all flow arguments. it isn't on a honest argument and the state board in my opinion having been at most of the hearings recognized thisism considering what happened during the last drought the prediction of bay area impacts doesn't pass the smell test and 52 percent of impacts assigned to the city is a worst case, not a

gibbon. part one of a better approach is modify the state boards framework to create special rules for flows during critically dry and multiple try sequences. the board is willing and so are other stakeholders. part 2 is define division of responsibility between the city and districts. one last point if you like to negotiated outcoming you need to the key players in the room there is a confidentialty agreement. a non disclosure agreement will protect everyones interest. i request that you use your influence to get people in the room are whoo are necessary for alagreement. thank you very much. >> thank you. shar lean woodcock. >> hello. shar lean woodcock and born and raised in southern

california and learned early on that was aired country and water was essential and it was essential to conserve and value it very highly and of course we have seen decades of development in this state unmindful of the essential value of water. i have great concern for the delta, which is dying and it has been left where inadequate water flows for some years now and as a couple of people have mentioned in 2010 the state water board issued a report called development of flow criteria for the sacramento san joaquin eco system that suggested 50 percent of unempaired flow is what is

needed if the delta repairs itself and the salmon fisheries will recover. it is horrifying for me to see salmon fisheries dying in california because water is issued carelessly. the delta is essential to californias economy, a healthy delta and the fisheries and plants and animals the salmon eco system support are essential to the health of the whole state economically, but i would say spirit wale too in a sense. we want our salmon fixries to thrive, not be sackifyed to industrial agriculture profit s. now the large central valley farmers have way too much influence over california's water and think that has got to change. it seems clear there is a allocation problem especially with east

palo amento because i believe pal o alto has abundance of water and there is a lot of extravagant use of water in some water district jz that surely needs to be addressed in a different way. where will just say i hope you can take a long view and support not just a 40 percent flow through the delta which is inadequate but a higher level. thank you. >> thank you very much. tom schwartzsharf. >> hello. my name is tom swartsharf and scrabackgrounds in biology. coming from the governor special interest groups or political arena this is what i'm hearing. don't confuse this with the facts, we already made up our minds. the message is

clear, we don't value your input. [inaudible] offered as a recommendation. everyone has heard of climate change deniers. we have delta change deniers. these are folks that deny the delta and bay area are in a state of biological clapsh. they declie water flow and human activities are factors. i'm concerned about the salmon population destroyed and nearing extinction. native american cultures and sport fishing are suffering ing. we have a larger number of water expert izen california than any other place in the world. we need to stop wasting money and man power on the twin tunnels and complete the resources to continue the bay delta walter quality control plan in 2017. knowing the scientific community in

inepa frl biologist the stailts university and environmental agencies isn't the answerment we are losing the eco system that made this the golden state. we need to stop circumventing the democratic process to not letting citizens vote on issues like the twin towers. the delta in san francisco [inaudible] special treatment as a state and national treasure. i'm not hearing people tray saccharify the water resources to grow a multicultural [inaudible] thank you for your time, [inaudible] >> thank you. >> peter [inaudible] the

president of the john mure east bay chapter. trout unlimited is conserve, protect and restore north americas cold water fisheries and watersheds. the chaptert supports the state water resources control board in the effort to help farmers, commercial and recreational fixerman, water users and environment groups cooperate on increasing river flows in the rivers. as a student in the 1960's i fished the toileomy in the high country and lower river prior to complooasian of the don pedro dam. at that time the flouz in the river were much higher than today. a kid from western pennsylvania-i worked as a

civil engineering in consulting and now retired. my wife and i live in oakland and conserve water. i disconnected my irrigation system during the rainy system roof run off is diverted to the garden. i wash my car as a car wash which recycles the water. i converted the concrete driveway to gravel. my water usage is about 42 gallons per person per day. these are small steps and big picture surrounding the issue but small steps can help. i'm not alone. as you have seen in steves presentation, many in the bay area are doing what i'm doing and more. i would argue that urban water conservation is a sustainable movement and provides a opportunity for the san francisco public utility commission to reevaluate its

very very conservative drought storage scenario taking into account reduced demand and more reasonable assumptions . partner with state board to increase flows and aquatic habitat in the toileomy river. >> heinicke alburt. >> thank you very much. like toprint you these 296 letters from members of the sierra club in the bay area chapter and i'm speaking for those members today. what we ask you to do in this letter is to support the higher flows that our rivers and the bay need in order for them to restore this

beautiful habitat. and it asks you to put this item on the agenda today and want to thank you very much for giving us this opportunity to talk about this important issue. in three minutes i can't begin to cover everything-all of the facets of this, but let me just point on a couple of things. you pointed out the low per capita use of citizens in san francisco and more widely in the bay area and that is true and that is really adimable. i think we have been glad to do that because we value the environment. of course we value having the water. we need the water, but i believe that people have stepped up in the past when we needed to ration water because of the drought and we

can continue to do that. further more, the city during the past year has instituted new policies in terms of reuse of water at large buildings and even requiring onsight treatment of water to have it be reused. with those innovation and public support we have here for preserving our environment we can step up and meet this challenge. we want to be good environmental stewards and i believe that is what you want also. the orebt other thing is the question of coming to a negotiated settlement rather than a one size fits all rule imposed by sth state. my understanding of the process

is the science that the state had done very clearly said 60 percent. this already is a negotiated settlement. the 40 percent starting point, that's not the full wish list, that is already the compromise. i urge you to support the state water board in these efforts and i believe all working together we can have the water that we need and the healthy environment. >> kenneth gibson, ulgu[inaudible] and michael frost. >> my name is kenneth gibson and live in oakland. i lived in the bay area most of my life. i lived on the peninsula and san francisco and now in east bay mud territory. i expect all of you sfpu c, all the agencies and east bay mud to show leadership in this state on this iges

issuement this is our bay and we have a obligation to protect it. we have been destroying it for the last century or more and need to turn that around. so much of the discussion from staff is focused on what we use and obligated to provide. qu cannot believe that you have contracts with all the agencies that go into perpetuity for you to deliver 184 million gallons per day. i just can't believe that. i cant believe there is no [inaudible] or reason to adjust those obligations. i think you need to sit down with all those agencies and coordinate with other agencies in the state to really look at what people can get by with to preserve the other requirements of the water system in the state. we have among urban

agencies a established practice of tiered pricing. it is like nobody talks about that. you got 2 or 3 tiers here and 3 ourfore there, a couple have 7 tiers. you get 25 gallons per person per day at the lowest tier. if you go above that you are in the next tier. once you are over 50 you are in the third tier and each time it steps up by a percentage. a agency sets what that percentage will be and that #will sceez down the use by rez kelsh cusmers and hopefully that can be made to apply using smart meters and made to apply to all residential customers not just single families behind the meter. provide meters for your family. this concept needs to be pushed into the employment

sector. why should silken valley customer and banked some of the companies years ago, why should they pay a flat rate no matter how much water they use. if they provide a job they should get a low price for a small amount of water and that should multiply in tiers so eventually they are paying more than would cost to provide recycled water and finding new ways to save water. you motivate people through micro economic practices. that is what we need to do. thank you. >> thank you. ulgumander son, michael frost and tally ben tar&elguman deuceo and grew up in san francisco. did any of you grow up in san francisco? >> no i didn't grow up in san francisco. i grew up in san francisco but moved here in my 20's. >> that isn't exactly what i

meant. anyway, the water wars have been a part of my life. i red cadlic desert as a kid and now retired and the lexry coming to meetings like this. for support this at least 50 percent of the flows for the rivers go to the bay delta. i think that is really reasonable. others say 60 percent i say at least 50 and think we can like we are a technology center, right? silicon valley wants to make sure they have enough water-they can figure it out. they got all the technology. they got all these great people and can figure it out as can the industrial ag business people. they have tons of money. the property owners and business people. they can harness technology to fig yor how to make due on the water. thanks a bunch. bye.

>> thank you. michael frost, tally ben tar and dave warner. >> thank you very much. i want to take a minute to step back a little back and try to get our minds in more high level place. as we look at this old environmental term, the crisis and opportunity. we are in a crisis. i wont repeat what is already said, but-i think our crisis is that we have bad assumptions. we have all kind of incorrect assumptions that were created decades if not centuries back and our world changed significantly. we make water reliability assumptions. water is terrible unreliable in california and if you go back over 2 thousand years multiple droughts over a hundred years 50 to 80 years common place.

do we take into account ocean acidity and how that may effect what we do qu how much fresh water is in the ocean? do we calculate the cost of algae blooms in the delta with too much exported? we talk about salinity, do we analyze the salinity coming from westlands? we always think about salinity from the ocean but when we water the salty areas from the south and comes to the san joaquin that is a issue. what is good where we are now, we are early in the process and have time to analyze what we are doing. let's take a look at the dta in a different way. we have all the data. one example would be the cunaria and cole mine, not one smelt was cocked. the cunario in the cole mine is non existent and do we charge ahead or do we take this queue? i read

a book called, a short history of progress by ronald wright and he talked about a progress trap which is situation with 20th century innovation create new problems society is unwilling or unable to solve and it inadvertently creates conditions worse than what existed before the innovations. one example is [inaudible] massive irigation, over grazing, clearing land. fast forward centuries we have what we have today that used to be covered with trees. that was a example and easter island was another with the forest pulled in the rain and created animals and things for them to eat but over time you cut down tree tooz build boats and statues and dams and they cut the very last tree down and became a waste land and ab wn got on boats and left. we dont have anywhere to go.

we are here the san joaquin river supports life in a delta that can not support salmon steel head and smelt or provide clean drinking water or groundwater or irrigation water. we need to mitigate against the unforeseen costs. 60 percent. thank you. >> hello commission. i am a san francisco native and deeply concerned about the environmental state of the bay delta and all its tributaries. i am here to remind the commission of its water enterprise environmental stewardship policy. it states, it is our policy to operate the water system in a manner that protects and restores native fish and wild life. the sfpu c acts as a leader in science based and collaborative environmental stewardship. i am disaopponented to hear the sfpu

c comments which seem to disregard their own policy. they are prioritizing economics over sounds science which determined 60 percent of unimpaired flows is necessary to protect and restore native fish population. iu the commission to act as a leader it claim said to be and set 50 percent unimpaired flows. fair is fair. thank you. >> thank you. >> dairfb warner. it is honor to be in front of you today. thaupg for your stewardship of our water supply. i have been a 30 year pal o alto resident and libing in san francisco for a number of years. i number one say please take fulisha marks up on the lead ership role. the first is going back to the peter dreck myer comment. as a finance guy i think you can support whatever numbers you want so the one thing i ask

your staff is say not only explain the differences and have different points of view brut come up with numbers that are plausible and i think you already disregarded the economic impact numbers. it is not plausible given what we have seen in the economy this last year and given the conservation we had to do. point two is, i think other people have said the state water board did a bunch of resurs and sciencetist have come up and said settlements are not efficient and why the water board says we need to increase the flows. i don't anyhow how you get comfortable with that but encourage you to rely on their science or review the science on settlement that isn't sufficient. it is unfortunate we are a part of a

environmentally damaged area that salmon are all most extinth and it is something we need to deal with and emplor that you fiend ways to deal with them in a adequate way. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. i'm spreck rose cranz and speaking on behalf of restore hetch hetchy. we dont have a spinge recommendation for a target flow. we respect the state boards duty in administering the very difficult problem. before i pile to a few of the earlier comments i want to say that you commissioners and all the staff and mr. san coola you have a very honorable and essential job and it is because you do such a good job we want you to do a better job protecting the environment as well. however, in 2013, i sat

in the state water board hearing when staff presented the draft report. you heard that from steve ritchie earlier and i have some concerns about the hid row logic assumptions involved but the economic assumptions were egregious and unwarranted and commissioner moran you spoke to that earlier when you said we wouldn't let that happen, we would make investments to make changes. when you do submit comments to the state board i urge you to think about what those comments might look like, what you would actually do if the flow increased to 40 or 50 percent or something like that. as you all know, you are not the first water agency asked to reallocate water to the environment. 92, the central vala project impruchbment act, 94 the mono

lake decision, 94 the bay delta accord, 2007 and 8, the indaijered species act. 2000 the trinity river decision. some of that effected mostly ag customers and others urban and seen invest in local groundwater storage and you have done a great job in cole mu and the western part of the city but more can be done. some of the customers have not done as much. there is water recycling and other options out there and so when you comment to the state board you should comment on those things. the [inaudible] report from 2013 and dont think it is officially published, it said that the impact in a drought would be losing 118 thousand acre feet a year is $49 billion in a drought. that is over $400 thousand per acre

foot and there are a lot of things you can do for $400 thousand a acre foot so #c50e7 keep that in mind. >> thank you. just to be clear on what i meant by the economics, economics is called the dismal science and for good reason. it tries to take very complicated functions of human behavior and reduce them a single number and it is a invitation to argue. that's not to say that economic impacts are not real and i didn't my comments to be dismissive of economic impact, it is just economic science doesn't ovcontribute positively to a discussion. it may give a measure how big a task and how much money you spend to fix it, but it isn't worth the trouble arguing at least in my view. that isn't to say it isn't real. lia rogers, dug

>> good afternoon. my name islia rogers and worked 3 decades in the field of water resources and here as a priferbt citizen. and do have a phd from stanford in groundwater. luckily speaking late most people have already said what i was going to say just two really quick points that i hope perhaps you may ask when you obviously are going back into the group economic modeling question. i didn't see any history matching. i made my livling from predictive modeling for 20 years and dont think i have seen people present predict sk modeling without matching the history. they must have done it #1345ir and think it is yusful for us to see if and you all to see it and obviously 2014 has been a while

and particularly the last fwo two years where we were under 30 to 40 percent water rationing will be very interesting to see how well they are modeled matched those years before you all make any decisions that incorporate these numbers. >> just to make sure i get what you are saying, what models are you roughering to >> the 2014 battle group socioeconomic modeling is the one i was looking at. perhaps you have additional ones that have such history matching but i didn't see it and was plety shocked. the second is a question of whether or not their coefficient of elas tasty benefit the water conservation. we spend about 20 percent of our in california mubing water to other parts of the state. the hetch hetchy aqueducts is pretty darn efficient system but the rule

of thumb if we save money we save water we save water and energy so have money to invest in our economy and culture so curious to see how they incorporated those benefits. cunary in the cole mine was spoken about. let me just say if our rivers thrive we thrive. one perhaps perspective i have about it is it is our way to regularly invest in our groundwater. 25 percent higher valium than our surface water and think that is what we will look towards in scenarios of climate change. thank you. >> thank you. dou g obeejy, arthur finesteins >> senior attorney with natural

resources council moved from southern california and part of the reezern i move today the bay area is the pride we take in protecting the environment. i i want to impress the importance of really understanding the issues at a staff level. you have seen earlier how much disagreement there is between the walter agency staff and members of the public including nrdc about the impacts whether the impacts only occur in critically dry years as the state water board estimates or occur every year which seems to be implied by the statements. i encourage you to direct staff to meet with the public and hold a workshop prior the the march deadline to have a shared understanding what the impacts will be. secondly, nrdc believes quee can protect the environment and our local economy and think a lot of the focks is on per capita water use but ignores the water

supply tools san francisco is moving forward with whether that is the groundwater banking project to help get through drought years or recycling waste water. in 20s 14 the bay area trumped 180 thousand water into the the treatment plants. that is a renewable resource and need to think of that as a resource not a waste protect. we can't just focus on conservation but it is clear we can do more than what is in the economic assessment. they did their assessment based on higher levels of demand than the city has shown is possible. we can do more and should do more. we have a morbl obligation to protect the rivers and fishing industry that is the heart of san francisco fishermans warf which is decimated by years and taking 90 percent

out of the toileomy is not a river and can do better. i implor you to direct staff to meet with us and let us work on long term solutions because we can make this work and believe there are possibilities for settlement but settlements have to be meaningful and mean imprubing water flow in the rivers because if we whipe out the salmon population in dry years we never build up the populations in the long run. thank you for your time. i appreciate you scheduling the meeting and hope you will call back before the march comments so we have a better understanding what the agency will say to the state water board. >> arthy finestein, [inaudible] and rachel trugairoes. >> hi commissioners. artha finestein representing the sierra clubs

california conservation committee. i'm vice chair. it is very [inaudible] recallier today we had a discussion of cca and green power and how successful that has been. i think all of you ear most of you are in the commission during the 3 to 4 years when the sierra club and many others came before you to encourage the city to adopt cca and remember the difficulty we had being told we caents afford it. it won't work. it is just not feasible. where are we? complete 100 percent turn around, 80 thousand people is that the number who are now enrolled kwr & more and more coming only and going towards cca. same thing here. there is a lot of denying we can't do it, a lot of facts and given facts why we cant do it and gibbon facts now why

we can't do it for water. it can be done. you just have to have the will and we are here urging you to take that will. i think it is from my perspective at least we don't have a lot of choice. with climate change we see the world is getting to be a scary place. 6 mass extingzs species going out every day. the world is getting scary. i have a grand daughter and would like her to sur vive but not sure it will happen. if you look at what the scientist who most of us do listen to say about climate change and rising sea levels, it is a scary world that she will be looking at and need to do watt we can and this is something that effects the natural world which is what we all depend on and talking about today. we need healthy echo systems in the face of climate change so people have a chance. you have a great

opportunity to take a big step forward so urge you to at least support the state water boards proposal and if we can go further that is great. 60 percent is wonderful but let's at least get to 40 percent and make for a healthy est ware and hope we sur vive the next 30, 40, 50 years but it is scare aef world and you can help make it less so. thank you. >> thank you. michael [inaudible] rochel [inaudible] and ben ikeenburg. >> rainy day here. i'm michael waurbenturn and executive director of a non-profit called the public trust alliance and we have taken on our mission reminding public agencies that there is a whole area of law that requires-legal

requirement to actually be reasonable and use the best information available when you are dealing with the allocating public trust resources. water is such a resource. a lot of the people appearing before you act as if they own the water. some people encourage you to believe that you own some of this water. water rights are about the reasonable use of water for public benefit. it is held in public trust by the state of california by the brft of all the public and that includes future generations and there is a

unique obligation with wrard to the fisheries resources because that's where a lot of the law was put together. three public trust uses are commerce, navigation and fishing and anyway, the amount of work that seems to have been put in by commission staff arguing against what the state water resources control board has invited you to join in um, becoming a leader with-some people come in saying we got to have 60 percent. state board figured my god, let's just see if we can do this with a 40 percent amounts of flow and

um, it is possible and the thing is historically speaking there is a lot of statistics here and i want to take my queue from a author who lived in san francisco by the name of mark twain who says whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over and there is three kinds of facts. there is lies, dam lies and statistics and the other one that is often used is we all know that water does want flow uphill, but in california you get much better results if you assume it flows uphill towards money. the thing is, it is possible to do a lot better and a lot of times arguments before public utilities commissions

are asking you to do unreasonable things because the law requires it. they just happen to help out the party who is making the suggestion in the short term economic interest and i just was hoping that you would recognize the public trust responsibility in the state of california to be reasonable and use the best scientific nrfgz available. >> thank you and i think a healthy doest of whiskey may help that. >> good afternoon commission. rochel trugairo a policy manager at the bay area council. the bay area council is a non-profit public policy organization representing a cross sector of the regions largest employers. the bay area is california's most

valuable economic asset boasting $531 billion economy in 2015 despite having 17 percent of the staets resident the bay areas taxpayers generate 36 percent of our state income tax revenue. but the bay area economy can't function without water as it account for about 85 percent of san francisco's fresh water and 55 percent of the 1.8 million served by bosca. they would have the lowest water use rates in california. residents in the combined san francisco use just 54 gallons per day compared to the state wide average of 82 gallons. san francisco's residential usage of 41 gallons per day is one of the lowest in industrialized world. however, the san

francisco public utilities commission estimates the users could face up to 50 percent cuts during droughts with rationing beginning immediately at the first sign of drought. this level of rationing could only be avoided by major investment in new supply that have no certainty of procurement. because the bay areas water usage is so low this could have impacts undermining water sensitive institutions such as hospital data centers and bio tech industries and exacerbating our housing e crisis. the region is projected to grow by 820 more householdsm the draft [inaudible] could stifle the housing production as demonstrated in east pal o alto and force employers to expand else 37 where. in conclusion the bay areas economic value per gallon needs

protection. applaud the state water board initant to improve and save the echo system of the san joaquin-air quu and tributaries and appreciate the balancing of human and environmental needsism we urged the board to take whatever measures needed to meet these competing water needs through voluntary agreements. thank you. >> ben ikeenburg, john palmroy, m att richardson. >> hello. i'm ben ike en burg on behalf of san francisco bay keeper and more than 5 thousand members who use san francisco bay and urge you to support the state water boards sed and compromise 40 percent proposition. i think a lot of the commenters that have gone before me have covered a lot of the reasons why this

commission should support the greater flows of the river and health of the bay delta eco system but i want to make a few quick points. the bay area demonstrated it can thrirfb under drought condition squz one thing that isn't coved so far is the most successful environmental conservation in the country regulatory conservation in thecountry has come through innovation forcing regulations. i think what you see in the bay area is innovative tech companies and people here who come up with solutions to these problems and if you limit supply then you'll see great innovation and people come up with amazing solutions and that is some place where the sfpu c can take a

leadership role. the other point i wanted to make really quick is that i notice that you're cooperating with or aligned with the irrigation district turlock and merced qu with the san joaquin tributary association and want to point out thaes partnerships don't necessarily represent the interest of sfpu c and the residents and customers. the irrigation districts have very different interests and think you should take that into consideration when you put together your comment s. >> that is what makes negotiations difficult. >> good afternoon commissioners. thank you sfr your time today. we are water-this issues goes so much deeper than a couple

species of fish. the health of our environment should always be our first priority. these are most pressure assets. all too often business and commercial interest take a very narrow view while commodifying these natural resources which are a matrix of closely linked and pressure components. when one component is degraded there is a ripple effect. similarly, when one component is nurtured the other s benefit as well. healthy living soil for example needs much less irrigation as life is water, so life in soil equates to water in soil. incent vising agriculture practices that nucher living soil, maximize irrigation efficiency and allows more water aligated

downstream. this is just one thing we can do to fix the problem that all of us are here talking about today. thise practices also minimize the toxicity of irrigation run-off maximizing our health. let us know follow the example of recent history where great economic and social achievements came at the cost of air and water quality no longer safe to breathe or drink, in planning processes our cities county and state must place the quality of the eco system as their highest priority. the truth wealth of our society to provide long term wellness and happiness to all the people. compromiseing for economic gain steals quality of life for the children and generations to come. it is easy to say this is a small compromise and there are situations where a compromise

is necessary but shouldn't be the course of normal or public prescribet enterprise. we must always ask what sth value of economic success if our living river eco system is little more than a toxic sewer. the problems of our world are increasingly complex the solutionerize embarrass ingly simple. >> is m att richardson here? he had to leave. gale, bury hermann son and [inaudible] >> thank you for agendizing this item. i was born and raised in

san francisco as was my father. i am related through my mother to the con roy family, which included san francisco police captain, a lete a couple fireman and one member of the san francisco board of supervisors. i remember i was here when bay shore was synonymous with offensive stense and when air quality was so bad that the entire bay area was coated in a green yellow cloud. hats off to environmental leeus peter dreck myer who fought and got the improvements to be realized. i'm not sure of the social and economic democracy for america dim cratic club. we studied water issues and found out there is vastly more water assigned as

paper water rights. i think it is 5 times as much than there ever is water in the state and that many so called farm said are actually ginet agrow businesses growing water intensive crops for export. we also found a number of holders of paper water rights sell them for many times the very low price they pay to the state. this seems very wrong. our demo cratic club voted to approve the twin tunnels known as the bcdc. your neighbors in san mateo, conte, the board of supervisors passed a resolution noting the significance of san francisco bay and the esh ware providing drinking water and providing for the salmon fisheries and resources for migetory bird. they also kno note the state water board resource control board determined in 2010 that 75

percent of unimpaired run off from the system should flow into had delta-sorry out of the delta into the the est ware during winter and spring months. as for economic concerns clearly drought restrictions have posed no barriers to economic growth in our area. in fact, to such an extent east pal o alto is suing meno park over traffic and issues related to growth and development. as for citizen support i remind you that bay area residents voted to tax themselves to imbruv the condition of the bay. in closing, i note that san francisco's water use is not typically in my area while some people allow their lawns to go brown others waste vast amounts of water especially in palo alto. i urge you to do your maximum to preserve the health of our

bay eco system. >> thank you for the opportunity to speak. my name is barren hermann son and serve on the san francisco group executive committee for the sierra club. i'm here to speak in favor of increased flows. there was a speaker a little earlier today that encouraged you to try to always keep a balance between human needs and the needs for the environment and i say that the needs for the environment must take pres dense because it it is if we do not provide the flows, we are already experiencing a est ware that is dying and it is up to us to find ways to save more water. it is possible.

myself, i installed water systems not only for my shower, sink, bath tub, but have also done it for laundry so that i reduce dramatically what i use in my yard yet i have fruit trees and a vegetable garden. i use less than 25 gallons per day and it is i believe possible for us to actually people talk about dooms day using half as much as whauts we get now. i believe it is possible to do that and it is possible to do it as well in terms of particularly our agriculture uses. we need to actually invest in finding ways to be as productive but use less and less water and recycle that water. i would love to be building a large cistern in my backyard.

be able to save all this rain water. drives me nuts i got to use fresh drinking water to flush my toilet, that obscene. it ought to be the first priority in the state to figure how all that infrastructure can be changed. we should not use drinking water for that purpsh. i'm having trouble finding a engineer who will design a cistern. this is old technology. it is used arond the world forever. to be able to save 5 to 6 thousand gallons of water coming-one big storm would fill that out. i believe we need policies to encourage this kind of savings and reuse of our water. thank you very much. >> thank you.

>> president moran and commissioners, nice to see you. i'm the program director at the bay institute and director of conservation at bay.org which includes the institute [inaudible] and other facilities so speaking not just as a representative of a group of sciencetist and policy people who looked at what the flow needs are for the eco system and the city major employers and tourist attractions. as some speakers have said, san francisco is justifybly proud of the leadership we displayed in many environmental areas but also have to acknowledge we are not as good steward as we should be of the water should or important eco systems downstream all the way to san francisco bay. there is a vast scientific record compiled

by the bay institute and state and federal fisheries agencies, state water board staff itself and other researchers that you need half or more of the watershed flow from the san joaquin basin and the tributary rivers in order to support fishery populations and aquatic resources that have a tupt to grow rather than to decline. what that means is not you need hlf the water to restore a eco system to what it was 100 years ago it means you need half the water to prevent fish and organisms going ix tinth. that record is no serious counter arguments. there a number of issues raised and steve ritchie mentioned some of them. the first is issue of flow versus nonflow. no one argues there are many non flow

measures taken to protect the eco system as a whole. the point is that it is isn't a either or. you need flows in order to support non flow measures if you want to address predidation you need to provide improved flows. if you want functional flood plain and spawning you need improved flows. if you do one without the other those measures will fail. you cannot decouple them. adaptive management we don't have perfect knowledge and should more adaptively manage but the fact is the boards proposal is based on a percentage not flat numbers, so it is hydro logically sensitive. the boards proposal allows for shaping of flows so we dont have to do those numbers every year. the board will likely include criteria for drought periods which chris

chutes referred to earlier. finally, let me address the settlement issue. in 4 or 5 years of settlement talks among all the parties, none of the parties have come close to resolving the issue and not likely they will do in the 6 monthss before the board has to make a decision. the board has a proposal of great range of adaptive management flows from 30 to 50 percent of unimpaired flow. that is a huge negotiation space so the fact the board make as decision doesn't stop voluntary discussion. there is a opportunity to come up with solutions after the board makes the water quality decision but prior to adopting a water rights decision. that is a really pornts aspect of this to reflect. chair woman marks encouraged you to step up to the the

challenge. i say step up the responsibility. the is a responsibility san francisco has to repair damage done and willingness of the people in san francisco to work together to do that as previous speakers said. work to identify solution tooz getd get our facts straight and improve flows in the san joaquin basin and protect san francisco bay. >> good to see you again. christina [inaudible] >> christina [inaudible] and thank you for putting this on agenda. i'm here as a representative of great water action and work teaching people to install the rain water systems and teach through bosca and worked on pu c sponsored programs. i see all the time the will of the people wanting to help the environment by

saving water and barely tapped that. i encourage you to factor that into the figures that much more conservation can happen. people talk about carrying buckets of water from the showers out to the garden. they are willing to do that. using rain water to flush toilets, that is a option. i hear many talks i go to that groundwater is pumped out from under the city to prevent flooding of under ground things. the groundwater is considered to be used for non potable use so why not look at the local water resources to offset having to take water from the rivers. i also particularly want to speak for sturgeon. i had the most amazing meal at scotts sea food of surgeon. sturgeon used to be a

huge fisry and 20 feet long and 2 thousand pounds in the delta. they are amazing creatures and 240 million years old. they eat invasive plant and aerate the system keeping it alive so it doesn't go dead like a lot of est wares have become so we need the sturgeon and the sturgeon need us to give high flows because it turns out they require high flows to spawn. they cannot go up stream where they spawn because they are blocked by dams so they need the high flows from february to june to spawn at all. so, because the eggs require a lot of oxygen and cold water and the flows to get down stream and flood to mature. we need these amazing creatures in the delta eco system. they have a right to exist and need the

high flows so hope you will consider not only 40 percent but maybe 50 percent of unimpeded flows because other creatures matter not just human beings in our own wants and needs so speaking on that behalf. thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is gerlen moran. i'm here as someone who grew up learning about birds along the bay lands and i have fond memories of a lot of family outings backpacking in the toileomy and feel these are experiences that contributed to shaping who i am and i'm here today with a heart felt thank you for putting this in front of us to listen to us as citizens to talk about

this really important topic. as you are hearing over and over, the delta is dying and regretbly we are the invasive species and we are orchestrating the crash whether we want to face it or not. our population is continuing to increase and this resource is not increasing. this globe is a closed system and quee all know that too. logic dictates then that we use our exceptional intelligence to right the giant wrong with everything we can do and muster. so that is where you come in as a commission and you are what i understand as a very environmentally aware and caring commissionism . your back ground in environmental arenas assures me that you are listening to us today and you

want to weigh the most current facts and influence positively what the next steps will be for our bay delta eco system. we all know now is likely the last big chance to turn this around and it is really frightening, but the seasonal adjusted water flow that the state water board is offering, 40 percent for the rivers we talked about it is weg come progress. i feel i'm grateful for that but emplor you to push for a true game changeer of 60 percent flow to match what scientist already see what is needed to save the fish and wild life. so recollect in closing, please study the most recent data collected and work with all of us. we are all in this together and nobody is going to get

what they want, we have to work together. but, if we go down-just take a look conservice water at home and through industry we are already been talking about we reduced water just by all this great conservation and agree with previous speakers that people have ovall have good hearts and want to do the right thing and want to conserve but we can do more. paired with continued efficiency improvements the communities and economy and our natural can be on the right trajectory for the future because water management we are faced with climate change and the wise water management cant be over emphasized. thank you for considering all this. >> thank you. chris gilbert, jim lazarus, [inaudible] louis. >> good afternoon. chris

gillburt long time resident of the bay area. i'm just a citizen, i got interested in the issue and do volunteers by the sierra club but not paid by anybody. whault effected by is the oped by the general manager in the fall taking this to me very unsan francisco, uncalifornia position on that the celta basically can't be saved. to me that was outrageous and didn't reflect who i think of who i am and who we are and when i look at the background of the commissioners i don't think it reflects who you are. you come from the environmental community and labor community and i want to underline commissioner courtneys concern about the integrity of the staffs proposal because when i read something like this and i

see a response by a rational person, policy director for a non-profit that questions so much of it and which goes unanswered and comes out with a statement saying it isn't valid and wurkt looking at. to me that doesn't reflect what we are up to here. just quickly in the presentation today they said we have to cut 52 percent. that is our agreement with turlock and modesto. that was an agreement according to a federal agency, but there is a question of whether you are bound under with the state agency and in fact, your own staff hased in presenting potential water supply and socio economic effects from the raker fact san francisco doesn't wave arguments it may have about how the raker act or fourkt agreement

should or will be interpreted in the future proceedings. the intend to challenge any use the 4th agreement if necessary but that isn't explained. maybe that is true but at least should be put in the mix. it shouldn't say it is 52 percent because of the agreement we have. to me that is not-that goes without integrity. there is something missing there. the thing about palo alto that 1112 projects are stopped because water supply isn't garen teed. the district has enough water just haven't allocated enough to east pal o alto. i want to question the idea of volunteer agreement. i went to public agreement in stockton and in modesto they had tractors out front. i'm just talking the irrigation people too. to me thinking you can get an agreement there is like expecting george wallace to

integrate the schools. it will take a state or federal agency to lay down the law. thank you very much. >> jim lazarus, denise louis. >> commissioners thank you for having me toed. i appreciate your listening to all the testimony. i'm with the san francisco chamber of commerce and represent 2500 local businesses with over 200 thousand employees. i have been in san francisco all my life and multigenerations and can remember since the 1970 having a bucket in my shower and there is one now and i think san franciscan's are willing to do that when there is a drought, but are we going agree to water limitations that put that bucket in our shower eeben with the low flow shower head every day for the rest of our live jz childrens lives and dont think that is a acceptable outcome the vast majority of san

franciscan's will support. that doesn't mean they support a long term solution and proper environmental stewardship by this commission on behalf of the city and the stewardship comes down to the steps we can take to further reduce without negsive economic impacts or lifestyles within reason the use of water not only in san francisco but throughout your services area. can we make those cuts, can we continue to what los angeles. los angeles was run through the mill. los angeles is using the same water today with a million people than a decade or more ago. there are ways to use less water or same amount of water for many more people and business and industrial use. we spent meno over 150 years building facilities to hold water for humans. maybe we need to look at cost and ram

ifications holding water that flows out and flood like the last few days for the use of fish and the environment and not making a zero sum gain out of the water we captured since the building of hetch hetchy but whether throughout the state we deal with a environmental issue that exists not only on the toileomy but throughout northern california in a sensitive way. the chamber is willing to work with bay area council can partners throughout the bay area with labor and partnership with alliance for jobs coming up with a method that assures we make reasonable goal tooz protect the environment while protecting the needs of water for business, resident and agriculture in northern california. thank you very much. >> thank you. denise louis. [inaudible] kiely and michael

barber. >> denise louis native san francisco and student of ecology from city college of san francisco. i'm here to urge you as individuals and as a group to urge the state water board to get on board with 60 percent flow. you heard all the reasons why. i will give 3 reasons can i hope you will take to heart. first of all, california is a bio deversety hot spot meaning we are so lucky to have so many diverse species of plants and animals, many of which live only in california and many of which are risk of extinction due to human actirfbties so i would link it would be our collective job to advocate not to have any more species go

extinct on our watch. the second reason is that the san francisco bay delta has been designated as a est ware of international importance that you probably already knew that, right? okay. the third reason is san francisco is a spanish name for saint francis, our patron saint of ecology so we need to live up to our responsibility because we are san franciscan's. that's all i have to say. 60 percent. thank you. >> thank you. it was pointed out to me i have a couple slips get stuck together. dr. elizabeth tarny you are next. >> thanks glad i got unstuck.

thank you so much for the opportunity to talk and for hearing our comments. dr. elizabeth dockerty and director of holy h 2 o. i also at our house in oakland we use 17 gallons a day per person in the winter time. it is true that we go all the way up to 20 gallons a day in the summer. we grow extensive amounts of food on our property ask have tons of native and different kind of species that support the local biology in my area. so, here we are we got the water cycle that has for 4.4 billion years been working great. even in

california up to last 1 fib0 years and then one species, one of 8.7 million species on the planet, one of those 8.7 million decides to grab that water for our home o sapien use. so, just to keep it in a big big perspective and since we have done that we completely messed up the natural water cycle in californiament we got this delta that is the largest est ware on the western cost of north and south america crucial for migration and done huge amounts of damage to that and here we are talking about different kind of fish, which as you know we are talking about the fish partially because they are important to california's economy but also because we are key stone species, which means the loss of those

species directly impacts other species. about 138 different species depend on salmon alone. 138 species. that is not including the aquil soil nutrition and then the health of the soil that leads to soil stability because it is able to support the kind of trees and grasses that can keep that soil in place, so even if we only care for us, one of 8.7 million different species, we are still shooting ourselves in the foot by this over drawing of water over a long period of time that is causing the collapse of our key stone species that are telling us straight out, we are in collapse. that collapse in the long term is economic and will costhe

downfall of the population and economic health in the bay area so i really urge you 40 percent a minimum 60 percent is definitely what is required. thank you. >> [inaudible] kiely and help me with that if i got it wrong. michael barber. >> [inaudible] kyley so they call me tony. never done anything like this before and my heart is pounding like a drum, but. i was born and raised in the city, my faurt before me and first baptized and he worked for hetch hetchy. we all know about the huge resource, giant eclogical and geographic area, monumental place the est ware is and we are recing

it and don't have a right to wreck it. we are not the last generation of people who will live here. i wonder often does anyone think 100, 200 or 5 hundred years down the e line can human live here anymore? we have it save what we have now. as far as low flows and own a house on russian river and it is hanging by the skin of the teeth in the summer the water may be a foot or less deep in the russian rinch river and moving slowly because they are letting water utjust to keep it go{the water gets warm and it is flowing slowly over dark rocks and the sun is pounding on it and it gets hot and last summer animals died from drinking the water because of the algae growing in it and so everybody is freaking out and families won't go in the water

and the dpids will die and that isn't good for local economy and horrible for the fwish and horrible for anyone who has anything to do with it. if responsible citizens can decrease the water use by 30 percent which we have done over the past few years as san franciscans can others use half what others in the state use what can't everything else? we are not genius or saint we just care. people need to get on board to save watt squr save lives and our habitat. blah blah blah. i was driving from my daughters graduation in certain california and hot and put gas in the car, it was about 95 degree jz the wind i thought it would rip my car door off so drive through

agriculture areas where they are spray irrigating. water canon is going up hundreds of feet and none is hitting the ground. how is this allowed to happen? how does agrow business allowed to flood their fields almond orchards, take the money and export to another country? it is insane. we scr a hand full of people making millions a year and not the family farm ers that we need to protect, these are corporations and they are killing our water system. they are killing our delta. take peter dreckmyers recommendation because he doesvent a dime involved and vust a honest person. thank you. >> michael barber. john mc manus and tim ikeenburg. >> commissioners my name is michael barber and represent dave pine

and he is a chairperson of the san francisco bay restoration authority as well as commissioner on the bay conservation development commission. i am his policy person on water issues which is why i'm here. i'm not here to aopinion anything at this point. i will make a caveat i was born in san francisco since it seem to be a issue here. i am also on a personal note i am a regular swimmer in the bay so water quality is a issue for me personally and for my swim mate but water quality makes me not feel gooed at the end of the day. we are not here to apine anything. we are interested in issue. what we are hearing today and have seen in opeds is conflicting information from multiple sources and as the commissioners you have addressed before, if you could

uncover that or reconcile the differences that is great appreciation to all of us. i will end with that. you have been slogging through this. thank you very much for having this on the agenda. john mc manus and tim ikeenburg. >> hello commissioners. john mc manus, executive director of san francisco salmon association representing commercial and sport salmon fisherman and relailted businesses. i like to echo something that's dou g obeejy comed for which is a meeting between staff and informed stakeholders and like to encourage you to do your own due diligence on the matter. we support the proposal in front of the state board now at a minimum probably need more water. i want to call a couple things to attention, we have been talking about unimpaired flows, we are

talking february to june, not all year round. there is a reason for that. the problem salmon are having the central valley is juveniles can't knet out of the central val a. the adults can get back and spawn, the juveniles can't get out and that is why we need the flows in february through june. it provides a fast ride down the river and stirs up turbitly so the predators cants see them. there are many different reasons woo are in the mess we are in today and water behind hetch hetchy is probably a small part but everybody is called upon to make a contribution. i think you probably all know we experience toxic blue green algae outbreaks in san francisco bay last summer and that is because we are cloaking the life out of the rivers feeding the delta. completely unsustainable. as a native san

franciscan i grew up and new people who's dads were xhilsh fisherman. people who went to si and reerden. today you go to a warf and it is a shadow of its former self but it could be more economic robust and vital once again, it wouldn't take a lot. now we have three charter boats running salmon trips out of fiserman's warf. when we talk about economic value of salmon sth commercial aspect is only a part. the economy around the recreational fishery is jijantic. you may remember sullivans oen geary or bait shop on pullic and they are gone but we can get them back and wouldn't take a lot. i just want to put the image in folks mind that water is life

and water released unimpaired brings life which translates to economic value to san francisco. think about the warf. the developers tell you we need the water delivered to build new houses, we can see that go else where and economic returned to the city. >> tim ikeenburg. rounding out at 40. >> good afternoon, thanks for having this hearing and appreciate it. tim ikeenburg a resident of san francisco and a paying customer of yours since 1984. i also teach a course in ocean and costal law and tell my students the fwo most important things when you come to a hearing like this is show up and the second most important thing is stay to the end so what i have kun. i support the comments and the water

quality control board plan for increasing fresh water flows at 40 percent at least and support the comments of the toileomy trust and san francisco bay keeper and nrdc and urge you to take the suggestion of dou g obogeee and mr. mac mans to direct staff to mean with concerned sit whereins that have before you submit your comments to the water board to iron out the inconsistency and contsversery raised today. everybody knows the bay needs more flesh water flow and agree on that and for many reasons for fish and wildlife and environment but one reason is also for health and safety of the resident in san francisco which you have a responsibility to protect. increasing fresh-water flow means increasing sediment to the eco system which protects the beaches and wet land and make

them resilient to climate change. we have a king tide next week and know the impact and know it is 10 if not hundreds of millions of dollars to protect from sea level rise and caused by climate change so urge you to add to another good reason to support the boards water quality control plan to provide at least 40 percent of the flows, maintain 40 percent of the flows to san francisco bay. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. anybody that i have not called? >> martin kirkwood. first of all thank you for your efforts to all the work that the pu c does with insuring clean healthy and

safe drinking water in san francisco as well as all the water conservation programs that you provide here to san franciscan's. in san francisco, i build housing and mixed use buildings. i am a developer here in san francisco. i am very concerned about what i had seen in the cu d. water is stated to or the lack of water is stated to be crippling housing programs and projects in the east palo alto and other areas throughout california like porterville and throughout the central valley. i still dont see in that report where there is issue with the supply. the supply doesn't seem to be the issue here. it does seem to be allocation. that is a very concerning not only to me but a lot of other people and hope

that the commission staff takes a look at that. i did read the report, i have taken a look at the comments distributed by another speaker presenting comments to the commission earlier and speem to be more in agreement what i have seen from the toileomy river trust. they seem to be a reliable source of information and seems they have done the homework and come in line with conclusions a lot of others have made. there are eloquent speeches made here today and not here to repeat their statements, however, as a person working to build housing in the mixed use housing projects in san francisco and throughout the south pay and peninsula, there is a lot of concerns. we need to move forward with finding a way to balance the concerns of water supply, water useage among the various parties. i don't think the 40

percent that the state water resources board is requesting is unreasonable, i think is rational to bring back a historic flow for the #2350u mupths they are requesting and think it is good for california qu fuper generation and good for us. water conservation measures san francisco is putting in place is quite effective. people have been living up to what is requested of them to conserve water. as a buildser i put in different types of technology in the buildings. i have one gallon flow toilets. one flush, one gallon not the one.28 required by cam. the shower heads are more efficient than required by the state for 2017 building or plumbing codes. housing can still happen. we can still build housing with what we have, we just need to be better doing what we do. i would like to see the

commission take a look at some of the concerns that a lot of the people here have issue with and wish you all the best. hope we have a healthy river. >> thank you. anybody else? is dollar there anybody else after anybody else? okay. come on up. >> hello. my name is jacob roberts and didn't expect to speak today, but i'm not from san francisco i grew up in tucson arizona where every day i went to school, drove past the river which was contrary to how it sound not a river, it was a wash. it was

totally empty, about 364 days out of sth year. occasionally there would be a monsoon to fill it up and growing up to me that was normal and didn't question it. now looking back i realize that that wash could never have existed without a complete river and eco system there prior to damming up stream and human involvement and i just want to warn you against the dangers of the new normal. if you have children growing up in a bay river delta eco system that is totally stripped of any life of any eclogical diversity, then they see that as the new normal and start seeing that as this is how it has always been and that

makes it so more difficult to make changes after the fact then starting now and restoring what we have creating that normal. i am with carbon quest or developing called carbon quest which is waste water treatment process and my big concern is the [inaudible] of the bay and the organization. the amount of algae blooms. in 20 11 because of the amount of fresh water flooding during massive storms, the oyster population collapsed and those are what filter out the phytoplankton from having the aloe blooms so we reduction in the echo system

that will only move to increase upon each new development you see in the eco system problems. right now the east side treatment plant they are only recycling two million gallons a day using revrs osmoses which is 1.8 percent of what you are abigated to provide and think we can do more. >> that you thank you very much. thank you those of you for being here today and talking to us. i'm sorry. come on up. >> my name is catherine baker and grew up in orange county.

new port beach but muchbed here after college and been here and very aware of the water problems. i go off sailing for long months and months at a time and the only play i could find to stay is a shelter where chis where i'm staying now up the block, up the street. it has been the worst experience of my life, but what i want to say is the women there have know idea there is any problem with water and would like to encourage somebody to come and give a talk to the women that live in the shelter that think they can take run the water for 5 minutes while they brush thrair teeth or-they just waste water and every time i see something i'm like the wicked witch. she is talking about water, what is the problem with water, there is always plenty of

water. i just would encourage someone to come and talk to people who are from all over, but mostly not from here and are not aware there is any problem with water and please come and talk and back me up. me being the wicked witch of water. anyway, please give me some information of who i could talk to. i talked to the water department and said oica, but they didn't really follow up on it. who do i talk to to come and give-there is like 300 people in the shelter and they just dont get it. especially with all the rain. >> the gentlemen at the back corner of the room is glad to talk to you. >> thait great thank you for

doing this. i lived in california since i was 2 and know problems with water. >> thank you. is there anyone else? okay. thaupg again for coming. we did want this to be a non positional airing of thought and opinion. i appreciate you all doing that. i tried pretty much to keep that rule myself. i think one thing that commissioner courtney you were very quick to get on i think we do need to respaupd in detail to mr. dreckmyers concerns and there are other issues of a nature raised that we also need to deal with. there is a learning and sharing opportunity that we take advantage of. part of the reason for that, part of

to defend the honor and integrity but the other part is if we spend our time arguing about the numbers instead of the solutions that is a waste of time and we don't need to. i think that the numbers will speak for themselves and different people will use different numbers but we don't need to be in a doubt where they came from or how they are cal culated or being used so zoo we have work to do there and i am sure that staff and the commission are willing to weigh in and do that. that said commissioners any last words before we move on? >> first, did anyone sign up for clean pow cleanpowersf? one person. i think we need to do that as you walk out. alright. that's great. a couple things

here, when it comes to water conservation it is so impressive what people in san francisco and bay area are doing. i want to add too, don't waste food if you want to conserve water. take what you eat, eat what you take. a learned this from a dear frnd named john foly. i want to put that out there. and then i think everyone here shares concerns. concerns about run off and salmon zygotes are issues and we hear everyones passionate about this. i heard some i guess indictment of character. staff works hard just like everyone else here and this issue keeps them up at night to make sure they have things correct. i think mr. [inaudible] quote on mark twain, i appreciate that and think statistics can be interpreted through any length but nothing aqua vitta cant fix. a

reminder i think everyone is working on solutions and wreneed to head. the notion-someone brought up a great point of all the species that occupy including human beings and the term gujump which means to something for someone else. water is a resource to me bee shared of organisms. go through the numbers to make sure the assumptions are correct but come up with solution that are decisive are conductive for all. >> thank you. >> so, i just want to thank everybody for showing up today. sorry i was late, but i do really appreciate the out pouring of public comment. i think it makes a big difference. i don't mean to be play catch up here but there are a couple things i am

picking up on and one is i want to make sure there is going to be adequate input from interesting stakeholders into the process because we are a public body and we are a public utilities agency commission and so i don't know what that looks like but i encourage staff to try and find a way to have a meeting or two as part of within the next couple months with interested stakeholders. i would like to also ask the chair if it is possible to have another meeting when we are closer to submittal so we can present or at least share where we are and receive public comment on that as appropriate because i feel like this is a big enough issue where we want to stay engaged with communities so that is one point that i would like a response to on the engagement process.