church they come from people that are housed no sros within a several block radius i hope that san francisco, california find a way through the sisters to say yes, we have bread for all to live here thank you very much. >> thank you next speaker, please. >> good evening, commissioners chair i'm tom i'd like to show my undying and unwavering support for the sisters i'm a recipient to the flowers organization i'm 6 year sobriety through an sro none would be possibly without the nuns that follow before and after her i'm here to address security manner

for the soup kitchen you myself at 6 foot 3 of equal statute we provide deeternities for anyone if someone approaches the soup kitchen we don't turn them away but offer food to go i having say have a nice day and help the nuns when they go to homeless camps i feel safe with them and think that through the unwavering support and the amount of articulation that people have concerned how bad the neighborhood was i don't see it getting worse with the presence of the nun in the shelters that are readily needed

by myself thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm a born and raised san franciscan who actually grew up at church street next to the church mission we don't take discretionary review and ask you to approve this this exists in a transit area next to the navigation center on 1950 mission mission housing is slated to build over one and 50 units of affordable housing next to the soup kitchen and we'll be honored to be their neighbors we civil grand jury need more housing especially, as we approach this critical time in our history we're all standing to be determined how we combat

the envelope razor ideas i believe - we need this morning any other time at mission housing we believe in goodwill towards the people and compassionate and acts of cuisines to alleviate the pressures we believe this exemplifies and glad we welcomed them as neighbors and definitely look forward to doing so and to the sisters i haven't spoken french since high school i'll give this a shot. >> (speaking foreign language.) >> welcome to the community thank you. >> thank you very much.

>> next speaker, please. >> hi, my name is susan i'm speaking on behalf of the 16 coalition a coalition off the mission neighborhood and the delores heights and the quatro and mix connective agencies the housing rights and the union and the red stone association and dozens of others we also sent you a letter we'd like to express our very, very sin care support no formally kitchen for the homeless and for those living in the private sros that do not have kitchens they provide a very valuable service we welcome them into our community i would like to mention that

when i was looking at public schools i was told by the school board oh, you can apply to marshall elementary because not. people request that school because the neighborhood considered an urban desirable neighborhood we went to the school anyway they have a spanish immersion program and waldon house was there next door to the school and waldon house was never a problem for the school in fact, we found to be a wonderful neighbor that was full of life and vitality we think that soup kitchen will further that community and caring for one another i hope i think this will be kind of a no-brainer for

you guys. >> i'll call more people's names (calling names). >> hello, i'm susan a i'm here speaking as a lifelong resident my grandmother rest in peace had a restaurant on the street i'm here to support the sisters of nomd and building that there's a broader issue that is represented here which is that the religious institutions have the same affordability issues we're seeing many institutions leave the city and churches and

schools soup kitchens a number of institutions i think we need to really think about what we're doing to support the work that they do in all of the spaces which say, i think really at the core of this whole of san francisco i'm seeing a lot of changes and a lot of changes in my lifetime 40 plus years one thing i don't want to see changed i think again that there is a fabric that is, i think san francisco has character tied but i hope you'll find it in your hearts to support the sisters on mission. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> hello commission i'm margaret i'm a reliant of the 19 thirty mission building i want to give my full support to this project and wanted to comment on

some of the comments from people in opposition to the project about the danger or that experience they had that's not matching any experience being a resident of the building certainly people on the sidewalks but not personally been threatened excuse me - can i get through this building i generally found that people are not a threat to me but i do think the soup kitchen will provide a valuable service if anything i'll expect it to increase order in the neighborhood but over having - not consider them to be more likely to not make the neighborhood more dangerous

thank you. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is christopher i live about a block from the proposed site i want to say quite simply i believe when people are fed with dignity and compassion like the sisters they not only receive that human need of nutrients but a sense of community and belonging i believe that the sisters will be an asset to the neighborhood and completely support the kitchen thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm rudy and volunteering for the sisters since 2010 and due to the fact the neighborhood the majority of people that we feed are from the neighborhood and given the fact that the services the respect level for the sisters is meant i

guarantee i'm certain most of issues that the opposition is having will be remedied because the people that use the services don't allow that we - i've actually you know make sure that everybody he know the majority of people we feed they know me for a long time so the level of respect is really high for the sisters it should clean up the neighborhood quite a bit thank you. >> thank you very much i'll call the last of cards (calling names). >> if your name has been called feel free to approach the

podium. >> hi good afternoon my name is will democracy i'm a resident in san francisco for 36 years and to start with the person that spoke earlier from the going backal project they have a letter to submit it wasn't here in time so much of what i was going to say has been said 3 times but i want to say that i live in the tenderloin, and we have a view of bodecker park from my window for 17 years i have seen bodecker park transform like you wouldn't believe now like the 9 best park in the country an article written and ten years ago, i was afraid to go in there that is

addressing people think it will get worse when i go through 1 and mission i don't see how that can get worse that is iss this is more than a band-aid my understanding that the sisters are going to be serving other neighborhoods as well not just this neighborhood where they're moving to they serve in down by the combaeshg and the price is minimal what will it cost the cost of a assessment of the building once a year by the board of health a free gift i think you should take it and fully support the sisters their incredible when i'm around them i feel like i'm wrapped that joy thank you very much. >> thank you.

>> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon my name is carl today i'm representing united to save the mission over 20 mission groups in the neighborhood we strongly support bringing this petition to mission street and ask you to approve it today this base will serve an immediate need both in the surrounded neighborhood and particularly on the block it exists it is critical in the placement the kitchen previous location tenderloin was adjacent to the downtown the proposed location on mission street is equally if not more assessable by multiple transportation routes 2017 will be a pivotal year san francisco can't

continue on the trajectory towards an impersonal economy we must have connections - mayor ed lee has been attempting to deny this for centuries we can't begin the year by giving them this vicinities victory it is important at this time we take to heart the words of forgive for it has human life on earth has lost it's meaning that is impervious what meaning will be left in the st. francis if we can't find the strength to put the soup kitchen home to an affordable complex and coordinating from an sro hotel therefore let us connect with the angels and move forward with approval thank you. >> thank you.

>> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my name is reverend i'm pastor of saint mary's the night ministry has been around the city loving and working with the brothers and sisters in the middle of the night i have walked the mission by myself between the hours of 10 at night and 4:00 a.m. for 9 years approximately, i hear it is dangerous all this stuff i just yes, i've seen some things but not entirely from our homeless brothers and sisters from people who are drinking and get out of hand in the bars, etc. i served an open cathedral

and also along with dinner every thursday night on the mission from the bart station in the blaz the sisters are acting i can honestly tell you you've heard a lot of times we need a place where people will be fed not only nourished but have spiritually - you can stop and talk to the sisters and brothers they're human beings and have incredible stories love budget committee gets love kindness budget committee gets kindness we feed over one and 50 people every thursday not enough food for everybody from the sros or those living on the streets there's often children and

families that come out so this is a real big need and the only thing i can tell you like especially everyone else has said in favor of the sisters of notra dom they'll beautify the place your time is up. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> i've been in san francisco since 14 years all my life - due to the - i went to city college and majored in structural engineering i'm just

able to go to the boot camp due to the hardship like became homelessness we were walking no place to eat and someone said they give out food i'm squared to go i have no money but it was free and we went through 3 times and ended up helping the sissy have 7 kids no parents only me we go to the sister my children starting to attend the services and went to the bible studies go to the sister they help her clean up and i have noticed differences in my children's school like the 3 girls are student of the month and everyday like to get a call everyday and the principal has

been asking what i've done my wife tell the principal i take any children to the sisters everyday please ask you guys if you guys can approve the project what the sisters have done for my wife and children there is a family that cannot help their situation i'm here to speak up for the families the sisters services are most valuable to the public i'm asking you to approve the project. >> any other speakers besides the two gentlemen against the wall that would like to speak. >> next speaker, please. >> also for those popcorns that maybe be in the overflow room 416 now is the time to come up. >> hi commissioners i'm a student i live 4 hundred 70

stevenson and for me for today, i haven't had my food until now for the past tuesday not to 6:00 p.m. i went to the sisters and the sisters the only thing i want to say the sisters really know how to cook and - for me and for my peers and also for the people on the street i think that is not that people have a stereotype towards them are they're not working or stuff that's why the people are in hunger and people can't concentrate for me, i have a difficulty i only sleep like 3 hours or 5 hours in a row people on the street what their hungry they shout out in crazy terms in the residents here are familiar

they'll shout out at 3:00 a.m. or 3:00 p.m. very randomly so my sleep schedules are in huge conflict with my daily schedules so i thank you for what sisters has done for me and the sisters have done for the neighborhood as well as the similar institutions have done for the community thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> >> good afternoon. my name is eric i'm a resident of 1963 and here in support of this soup kitchen growing up in the mission it is historical that a lot of the churches are involved with the communities in the mission and community it is who we are you know st. peter and

saint charles hope people in need with the services in the neighborhood part of who we are as a community and the need in the commission we need to support this project and making sure we feed our families and folks that are don't have homes right now so thank you. >> thank you >> next speaker, please. >> thank you i wasn't going to speak because we had an accident but i felt compelled to speak i'm a neighbor in the mission one 70 a block and a half from the proposed location as a female my bus stop for work is adjacent to the building where this proposed - sorry. >> new venture will be

possibly built if it is approved i do work and commute i also take the bart i am in the travel vicinity throughout the evening and day so i have developed a one by one relationship with the our house neighbor and all i have to say right now that we can really use something like that in our neighborhood i want to volunteer and have a handful of neighbors that would like to as well and would love to welcome the sisters thank you for all your hard work and thank you for listening. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please. >> my name is reverend doctor timothy the director the youth of the mission an alice street

opposite of memorial church, i serve on the advisory committee a coalition member of the microsoft market street for the mass and champion the police board been living in the neighborhood for the last 9 years a regular practice to attend every single malia cohen on the last tuesday of every month i can say and testify in support of sisters the sisters attend that meeting if you're concerned about safety if you're concerned about coordination the sisters will provide that they interface with the police department and the neighbors and work together in coalition and just as concerned about the goodness of the neighborhood and seen that proven that over the years i've served in the tenderloin thank you very much.

>> thank you. >> next speaker and maybe last speaker. >> if you're lucky well we do want to let you you know we've sent people home we thought that was - i want is summarize a few points i'm peter good afternoon, commissioners and speaking on bailiff the meta in conjunction with other mission groups i think that the testimony from laura guzman is telling me there is an excellent and long stand project in the mission and the collaboration between the two groups we've seen going forward that's widespread support and for supervisor ronen a strong advocate and in terms of the crisis we are facing and the fundamental issues like food

instability for families this is a critical project and happy to support the project and ask you to deny the dr today thank you very much. >> thank you very much any other speakers seeing none, dr requester number one you have a two minute rebuttal. >> dr requester number one. >> sir. >> thanks again for letting me come up up it is moving to here the various people come up and talk i come down on the you know firm belief this is not the right place for the project needs to be in another location

even if this is close not being a residential building where children and people that are scared for their safety are living in that's what i want to say thank you. >> thank you. >> dr requester number two, two minutes. >> thank you for hearing me again i don't have any more to say i still believe that the city is not showing they have a program here that is coordinator this is a band-aid to us i i belive the question is if we have the soup kitchen who answers the phone when we have and continue to have problems will the city could be and say this is not our decision i ask you that i know you can't answer for the police

department but i know in having called them and trying to get them out there they'll not do anything the soup kitchen is a great i didn't do hope the city will stand behind us. >> that concludes the portion go apologize project sponsor. >> two minutes. >> we'll available for any questions that is commission may have. >> thank you that concludes this portion the hearing commissioners, i, go first? >> in no one else. >> commissioner hillis. >> thank you and thank you to everybody that came out and testified normally we're the keepers of the planning code and zoning we hear a lot of issues where residentials should go and our office the planning code is not

clear where the institutions should go and when we have intended to get a lot of turn out where their preschools or medical marijuana or in this case a food soup kitchen but i think the testimony was extremely compelling in that there are issues on that block from hearing from our existing neighbors from the tenderloin is great i certain commend the services you provide and what you've done for that neighborhood i'm strongly supportive and hope we we heard with you added to the neighborhood and helping the block will come true i wish you the best of luck and thank you for all your hard work in support the project and again, the dr. >> thank you commissioner

koppel. >> thank you for coming out i'm going to be in support of project i have a couple of thoughts for the opposition i'm treating this with the uppermost importance this is an existing operation that was adopted but thank god more important to find them a home i want the public to know that supervisor ronen was here for all of the oppositions comments so i'm confident this will be on her radar and the pillows will give this the attention if it is needed i think instead of a mobile this is more suited for the equipment food storage and bathrooms and garbage disposals garbage will be tough to operate through a mobile go position

i think this will put more eyes on the street and to the person that thinks that will only get worse i don't agree. >> thank you commissioner moore. >> i think that is within the books and consumption reuben, junius & rose to know we're way within what needs to be deny done we have to look at interlock our hearts and plenty of testimony i think nothing in the description is against it we have ample evidence if other locations including the tenderloin the soup kitchen is an empowering use of transformers and i believe the orders come with the operation will be positive benefits the support of community and all the aspects of people that have

spoken from clerk to other businesses to the service organizations i couldn't be more supportive what they asked and no need to take dr i believe that ultimately i do hope that the upstairs neighbors will find their own voice and supporting this. >> that would be the most wonderful thing. >> commissioner melgar. >> so i'm also in support of this project it does comply with the code i want to say i was happy to hear from mission housing development corporations the building next door and made me know ultimately some of the facility issues that the dr requesters proctor brought up

be addressing the safety issues down the street i've spent the last had months talking about the issues of the gentrification and crisis we are having and i think that is exactly the kind of thing we need to address ios issues so with that. >> (speaking foreign language.) >> and thank you for being here. >> thank you. i'll go next and let you follow-up commissioner johnson. >> the standard we have here before us is exceptional or extraordinary despite all the overwhelming testimony we need to come back to that when we have other discretionary reviews we have exceptional or

extraordinary situations around clustering where we have too many of the same kind of businesses that are causing on impact where one or two by themselves doesn't matter but when you put several together have a problem exceptional or extraordinary looking at this thing one i don't see where there is clustering the waldon house is gone a navigation center that will become permanent housing the clustering i see are frankly the communities that needs this is right where they'll have their establishments set up that's the clustering really on the other side i was go back to ask mr. tony how tight a ship the sisters do in terms of line management based on the testimony of the

former captain and people have testified i have faith they'll continue to do what they do and pardon my french they don't take any crap and lastly it is interesting because i liken this to the cafeteria they line up and wait for their brunch on saturday and sunday where i live the interesting and have take out those places the interesting thing they have a different clientele people pay money in the mary of nazareth restaurant have a diversity clientele and it is not free i have a hard time findings that were any

other restaurants have lines for the film festival and clubs in my neighborhood that have lines every night one of the first speaker that got up and which had the first speaker said she'll with a patron wow, that is the kind of patron it will have a stable effect i'm supportive of not taking dr i'll not wait maybe but for commissioner johnson to make that motion on a personal point we live in a bubble especially, after wri78 honestly the bubble mentally whether i look at the report on the percentage of the residents for the pantry i didn't imagine that was 31

percent of the residence that have food shortage the gentleman that lives and 6 and stevenson doesn't eat until 6:00 p.m. that hit home i can't mingle i'm hungry now i will try to come down and happily support that i'll not wear a hoody but support you. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you. >> combrep pretty much i think all the commissioners have said when i said and commissioner vice president richards scombroment and people are crowding the sidewalk their paying one bucks and people are

paying nothing and mention that based on the food insecurity and the clientele not just in san francisco but around the bay area and the country you're actually going to feed people not in the tenderloin on the street they maybe housed and working they just have a lack of resources and coming to a place that is necessary like the dry cleaner or any other neighborhood service i hope the issues let's not confuse them with the homeless population in san francisco and look at all sides not that that is of the potential with the kitchen being there their - so move to not take dr. >> second. >> director rahaim. >> thank you, commissioners i wanted to mention a couple of things, of course, the staff

recommend you not take dr we certainly are supportive i want to mention a couple of things i live about a block and a half from the site i want to acknowledge many of the facility issues by the residents are real their safety issues i've personally experienced them and don't want to minimize that from the staffs point of view commissioner johnson almost i don't want to put words in your mouth but i actually having a managed situation actually improve the situation on in block that's one of the reasons we've recommended approval i will say lake many conditional use you often have a community liaison and the contact information that would be helpful and add that to our

recommendations we'll be happy to facilitate that and one of the speakers mentioned the navigation center is all the navigation centers are temporary we are reviewing a project 100 percent approval that application came in about 4 months ago it is 100 percent affordable project and the navigation center will close when that project move forward this probably my guess within a year they start construction i want to make sure the navigation center is by design to be temporary thank you, thank you director. >> commissioner moore. >> i said to ask director rahaim to remember how hard we worked on one that was torn down prior to it being what that is now the lines were difficult and impossible to manage not enough sidewalks and undercutting of

the property and what a difference 2 made when it was down i drove down there and people were lining up not trying to push each other out of sequence and how that building is handled so the soup kitchen and dining hall. >> commissioner johnson. >> i wasn't sure if any other commissioners were going to jump on director rahaim i will make a motion not to support the kitchen a liaison it is important to have them they'll be inundated with issues has nothing to do with with the operations i feel getting calls of people setting up tents on the streets or sleeping outside things that are endemic to

poefrnl to the neighborhood and some of the facility issues in the immediate areas unrelated to the operations of the soup kitchen i think that is an undue burden on this use. >> perhaps mr. tony the people that are actually physically monitoring the situation have a type of identification badge a real issue someone seize small business something happen they'll go to someone. >> i still think action action happening you call 9-1-1 that's the kind of action people are concerned about but sure. >> (laughter). >> i volunteer. >> for the mary the nazareth restaurant. >> please call the question. >> there is a motion that has been seconded to not take dr and approve commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner koppel

commissioner melgar commissioner moore and commissioner vice president richards so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 6 to zero. >> the commission commission break. >> good afternoon and welcome back to the planning commission remind the members of the audience that the commission does not tolerate disruptions of any kind. commissioners, we left off excuse me - our discretionary review calendar on item 9 leeland avenue discretionary review. >> and fellow conversions planning department staff the item before you is a request for discretionary review for the proposed project on leeland after a through lot logged on at the end of leeland abutting the

property to demolish an existing church for 5 single-family homes 3 story single-family homes on 3 with which the avenue and lee lapd's avenue during the public notification won request for discretionary review was filed by the alliance and the primary concerned the neighborhood compatibility and mclaren park and the existing church and natural habitat and accessibility and site acquisitions following the request for the discretionary review the residential design guidelines reviewed it and the project sponsor has come applied with the request with the formation of the change the rdt didn't include over and over create any exceptional or extraordinary with regards to

the building design and massing further the rdt found it not adversely effect 9 reviews mclaren park four additional letters of opposition were submitted to staff and to the department the same day fran martin on the boost alliance all are materials are being forwarded in evaluating that the department founds the 5 between comply with the general plan and they provided the affordable housing with the proposed provisions the project is consistent with the scale of the neighborhood as well as the residential design guidelines the department didn't find under to in exceptional or extraordinary stated by it

project and recommends the commission do not take dr that concludes my presentation. i'm reliable to answer any questions. >> thank you dr requester you have a 5 minute presentation. >> once sfgovtv will put it on its up there now. >> my name is fran i'm

alleviated that the award-winning visitacion valley we have an excellent track record and changed the face of visitacion valley to the better several hundreds units of affordable housing and promise future jobs for the alliance we initiated the finance for the escape with improvements and the library it is design is flunsdz by the planning alliance creating the vice mayor redevelopment area in 2010 the planning alliance got the award for hard won battles with the planning department and the sf redevelopment as your sister organization the visitacion valley continues as a clamming class room for the dollar served consultant we're not attended to the jobs it creates on the contrary we embrace it particularly with the city's

environment housing space should go hand in hand the 570 project sponsor in a - we're proud to be imaginative we imagined visitacion valley and brought it to past we continue to do in the visitacion valley at the western edge of mclaren park the deadlines skwant afforded by schools with the majority of our mclaren park the glen eagle golf course is a skufl field since the visitacion valley neighborhood a located near complaerp visitacion valley does

are access to mclaren park - the only remaining assessable open space shown ore main concern is outlined in green with the scope of the avenue adjacent to the leeland project 7 exceptional or extraordinary requesting a discretionary review for 570 leeland development are overwhelmingly supported one loss of have you and loss of sunlight depending on the lethal of the sunlight and day on mclaren park lots of neighborhood character of the demolition of the church and -

number 4 environmental planning issues including a close proximity to visitacion valley further renovated gardens education and- posed native plant so for not a plant that shows the different interface with the leeland avenue intrusion with the narrow space for next to invitation with the existing playground and creation of a blind spot on the western edge the project and c loss of geography graph sand dunes and 5 architecture we lost is this the general plan and particularly children the only flat area in the housing is behind the

church. >> 7 the equality with visitacion valley has been neglected and used for what neighborhood don't want automobile or ecology we welcome the high density housing this is dire we know that that - next to the pathway for middle school students the largest large project make no mistake the developers are not doing this project to create more family housing we arguely the most disfranchised neighborhood in the city visitacion valley is ignoring the issues the social justice lee loaned it the highest in charge planning and the eir should have been done there are too hot spots right here and here that need tobacco altercate with in terms of the planning issues the zero lines the site and the

red are the shadow lines and other people had been speaking about that ms. martin your time is up. >> here's our petition and letter. >> thank you. >> so we'll now hear from the speakers in optimistic to the project and in support of dr (calling names). >> you can line up and speak if your name has been called. >> good afternoon members of the board i'm shawn smith senior i live across the street from the proposed development and i feel me and my neighbors are

concerned about the demolition of the church and the construction of the existing open space that will seriously adverse have adverse effects for the characteristics of our neighborhood and cultural heritage the developers project includes demolishing a church and which is only one of 5 churches in the area both african-american and the congregation the after-school programs also that are at 590 leeland are now gone because of this the determination by the planning that the church is not historical significance is without reference tote cultural heritage what is considered to be an important piece of our neighborhood to our neighborhood the work that was done by the

church by james murray who has a landmark church by north hollywood and the mosaic church in los angeles that individual was the same one that built that church that was considered our church has not historical value and was to say that's far beyond the truth the church constitutes an important fabric to the neighborhood to correct the miss statement by the project sponsor that the gone gas station that worked up there didn't serve the land it was sold by different owners in the north part of city we are equally concerned into the loss of open space behind the church which is the neighborhood residence and park staff that has historically been concerned to be part the mclaren

park we need it to the avenue where the kids walk down to their homes i'm going to read a quote from the general planning and it says quote existing housing and neighborhood character shall be served and in order to preservers the fist diversity of our neighborhood we feel that whether behove us to have what we have now in a better circumstances than what is proposed to have 5 unit that will be there thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon all my in my

name is jim i'm with the green project here to speak in more detail about the development impact on the views i have - have the proposed development of 5, 3 story houses will be 3 distances from the park and the church and visitacion valley and san bruno mountains sightlines into mclaren park within mclaren park

thereby will be eliminated there are visual only from the area of the mclaren park will be lost forever the story shown if ♪ our photos are clear will have a detrimental view on the park you can see burglary /* before and after the impacts of this project on views tell much the same story the other views taken by the sponsor if above the visitacion valley middle schools are not relevant because they are not near the proposed project and on a steep slope far on the hill invitation avenue near manziel other photos were

taken from behind the trees rather than from the pathways in an open area giving a false expression the beauty of open space behind the church is views unparallel in the valencia within a walking distances for residents as to the grid street map it is showing there are no good views in this part of city only in the north thank you >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my name is ian i work and here to speak about the impacts the loss of

sunlight and shadows cast on open space and the pathway from the midway valencia school proposed by the development of 5, 3 story buildings depending on the time and day and year on the proposed development from ransomed avenue to leeland along the invitation avenue up to 90 feet of shadows these shadows - used by local residents and children interest the visitacion valley middle school an eir is triggered by a proposed degree those proposed buildings will have a clear and detrimental effect on the

community and the ecology of the adjacent mclaren park i'd like to point out that the general plan spaits states under guiding principles for open space and recreation policy to preserve the sunlight in open spaces solar access to open space should be elected and warming rays are important climatic change factors the humidity and wind only wind and direct sunlight therefore the shadows by new developments nearby what critical demolish the comfort of open space i'd like to point out priority policy no. 4 our parks and open space and access to sunlight be protected from those elements thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please.

>> >> good afternoon my name is adu draw the director with the imperatively justice to talk about the project on leeland's over the jars mclaren park has lost over half of it's acre the parcel is part mclaren park historically the public has considered the open space behind the church to be part of the park and to discover the land was sold by the developer the rec and park department has maintained the site behind the church and besides the church building it to be rec and park open space from the middle school to the avenue is compromised and interrupted that will create a pathway to the public next to the invitation avenue where it meets raymond

avenue and to improve the land witnessed by the projects began the puc rain garden and improved open space that is drought tolerant from learn in an area lacking accessibility the leeland with ruin this over time the construction needs to be started this year within the garden adjacent the area provides open space to the seniors in the community center leeland's after their forced to walker walk into the streets and no assess to the park and sidewalk on the street the only flat open space near the community center is on raymond the middle school students take that pathways to and from school

this should be protected from the larger open space and more importantly doctor michael sf department the biological among other people have identified this site as a sand dune and a habitat for existing native plant open spaces should be built on the quality both natural and cultural and recite the diversity and bio diversity furthermore this inspires the connection to this place thank you. >> thank you.

>> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, commissioners my name is tony walker i live next door to the property project on raymond i've lived there over 50 years your neighbors are steering wheel concerned about the offer sized house they're out of character and 3 stories solely the houses in our neighborhoods are two stories the proposed home is three to four times larger together with the project on leeland and will create a place where views are blocked and massive intrusion on mclaren park open space the homes themselves have supposed to be 4 bedroom but experience has

taught us we designated as study and rec rooms are extra bedrooms a need for more that concludes my remarks in my photo this is the 5 hundred block of raymond cars all the way town and park users from the staff garden and students working in the community garden that will have 80 gardens a no where to park in violation avenue and the project at the end of leeland is approximately 15 feet from invitation after the upper roads need to be shored up on raymond impeding and forcing the children into the street the point this area needs to be planned comprehensively to protect the pedestrians right

now they view the path its concrete need next to my home to get to school we're concerned about the loss of this concrete path the middle schoolers and the seniors use it on a regular basis without that path they're forced to go into a pa get that is not concrete closure to invitation avenue in you know anything about jiegs for the best practices actually there seems to be no plan only granting a permit the luxury homes have no value to our community not add to the city's stock the affordable housing

people that pass those million dollars home and feel their way better than the substandard living i quote from our dr request that existing hours and neighborhood character be preserved and protected to preserve the equitable diversity of our neighborhood thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> hi, i'm teach a craze at the boys and girls club i was a director for 14 years and a teacher with teachers called the natural history of the visitacion valley valencia school a part of fundamental program was the field trips to mclaren park to have a hands on

experience about ecology those are an introduction to mclaren park to my students the variety of reasons but one of the reasons the lack of easy access to the typography and the golf course this had is improved for the neighborhood to help to fascist assess to the park as well as renovation of the community garden the mclaren park park planned from lee land will be the entranceway as well as for the expanded population at the executive park and sunnyvale and parks in general local use and children as well as adult volunteers have brarptd

in improving the areas for the efforts for rec and park improving the trail that fwoupz from the middle school also part of this planning and vision has been for the improvement and the desire for environmental education center leeland is direct access to the mclaren park the 5 lee loaned project in the middle of those improvements the general public comment of visitacion valley including the future residents and the nearby seniors are tacked by the connectivity only assessable to 9 public is visitacion valley leeland project is allowed to go forward the placement to connect this to mclaren park they should require an eir we have the opportunity sorry - i also thought that was

important to maintain the community says that the church is connected to the neighborhood i want to give you an idea - >> can you speak into the mike please. here's where visitacion valley school and the paths that the students have worked on and other members of the community this is where the existing 5 hundred leeland and the church as an environmental center to the future gardens. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, everybody are we still awake good my name is linda schaffer i don't will in

the neighborhood and don't live in visitacion valley my concerns about the proposal stem from permanent interest i've had for many years interest in preserving bio diversity parks and open space in the city and environmental justice because of these interests among other things i've spent 8 and a half years representing district 10 and the environmental community on the rec and park and open space advisory committee as long as prozac i want to share a couple off observations when i learned with you all subject of preserving the bio diversity on ellison will be sharing more information about the california native plant society interest in the issue but what i'd like to do it

kind of give a behind-the-scenes peak of 2015 prozac meeting where analysis was prevented by rec and park staff of this site in response to it proposed for acquisitions by rp b and what i can tell you the rp b staff rated this site and desirable for acquisitions and pointed out that was suitable for passive or active recreation and it has views there were 12 representative into the community that spoke one after another i think tony and shawn were there so eloquently that when it was finished prozac voted 12 sorry 13 to one to recommend that the property be

added to the acquisitions list and substantially voted voted 12 to two to recommend to the rec and park commission that the landed be acquired as quickly as possible i don't know if you appreciate what a remarkable achievement prozac never passed any motion part of the voting rules in order to pass a motion that requires a majority of the members of the committee there are 23 members of this committee regardless of who is there that he meeting so to get 12 or 13 people at the meeting and only 15 people there to vote in favor of a position is quite an achievement reflects how strongly they were compassionate

thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> short. >> good afternoon my name is ellen as my colleague linda mentioned i am president of the local chapter of california native plant society as long as 9 and neighbor and lifelong resident and care about san francisco overall certainly the housing concerns are very important to me so is open space and don't want to overlook that i wanted to let you know i've presided over the board meeting our shop supported to and the

visitation alliance we ask for a eir to be done on this location there are two local plants that are rare and some plant they need to be considered in this project the sf california crow tony have information and documents that will talk about the status of those plants here we want to emphasis the importance of the letter by the doctor july 16th he confirmed the presence have to locally rare plants on the project site and reports the delivery discovery the whole area is a previously unknown

rare remnant of the habitat one can harder fault the staff when performing their environmental review their unaware of those hidden treasures we have the evidence as ray suggestion requires a full eir is the right thing to do to preserving the diversity unfortunately, he of the not here i don't have any expertise to answer the questions but have a letter from the yerba buena chapter the plant society in his report and visitacion valleys request alliance request for a full eir i can also report that in the expert opinion of woods consulting was a magnificent

searchable database throughout san francisco the presence of a 2-way street local rare plants that doctor mason found must be analyzed pursuant to california environmental quality act. >> thank you, ma'am, your time is up. >> thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> good afternoon commissioner my name is linda i'm here to represent the many, many volunteers in this mclaren park i felt i personally records for over 20 years ♪ amazing park i belong to the collaborative and many other goes up to advocate for mclaren park my my husband and i each volunteer hundreds of hours every year towards this amazing park this property has been

pointed out on the edge of mclaren park and therefore a lot of issues with that you jaing how shocked we were to find out that even the staff didn't release those parcels that are now proposed for did development were not originally part of park we thought that must be a terrible mistake we assumed those parks have great assess from visitacion valley in the church that have been maintained by the rec and park were part of mclaren park he also attend as a volunteer a lot of rec and park commission meetings and he can't tell you how many times i stood in the audience to hear about shadow effects the conclusion i came to say little by little we're nibbling away of the parks to be in the view of building

more housing the crisis is upon us we need the housing but the fact is the residents of the housing are going to need unencumbered open space and total assess for people with disabilities is so important >> right now the rec and park department is engaged in a huge project called the envisioning for mclaren park part the 2020 bond program that was passed we want to be able to show the people how they can envision mclaren park and starred to plan this process here along comes a development that totally puts into disray the ideas and dreams and the envisioning that the people in this neighborhood have wanted to see the plan for a new future for mclaren park and

approving that project at it design will be taking a giant step backward we want to bring mclaren park into its own as it designation park it's been struggling to become. >> any other speakers in support of dr requester in opposition to the project? >> seeing none, project sponsor 5 minutes. >> good evening commissioner vice president richards and members of the commission i'm on behalf of the project sponsors i'm joined by project sponsors my architect and our view consultant i am of want to acknowledge what the last speaker said and start at the beginning a privately owned set of parcels been privately owned since 195 the church went

voluntarily on the open market in a transaction like point other real estate purchase sounds like the community for many years relied on the private parcels to provide amenities were at work into out of mclaren park or some of the facilities on the edge of mclaren park he can't stress enough those are 5 private parcels been there privately held by the church any clients came forward with a proposal for families sized single-family homes this is a rarest you don't see them in the neighborhoods the housing crisis - you know in more established mixed use neighborhood by the way, here we go in a residential zoned rh1 with a 40 height limit with an establishment a family neighborhood built that way and

i suspect the people that will occupy the new home will reflect the make up of the people in the intergenerational families we urge the city to do we are losing families and can't find housing that is adequate and many families want to be extend families and live their generation with grandparents and children i want to get into the nitty-gritty and t off on one of the things the last speaker said in easements and no right of access private parcels people have been using for many, many years and again, no rights i'm aware have to share i want to raise the idea of demolition of the church as it works the

categorical exemption on this project and fine any historical or cultural resources and say the 12457k with regards to the ceqa it addresses the shadow issue while these properties can potentially cast shadows on rec and park property the height limit was less than the church no additional shadow cast the off-street parking rays i think is a mention each did you homes will have off-street parking and parking available on raymond and leeland not problematic to do that the discussion about - the general plan i think is broadly overreaching with regard to the open space that the dr requester cited on the papers area here

today they don't apply to the paralyze didn't mean those parcels become burdens that maintenance and preservation of the open space those are applied to mclaren park and any future acquisitions by mclaren park and i think i want to end with an acquisitions the aide will have to budget the money we know many of us know lots of improvements lined and no guarantee that will take place in the spirit conducting and improving the opportunities for single-family homes - family-sized projects and established with a neighborhood i'll urge you to consider and i'm going to turn it over to the remainder of any time to mr. james thank you. >> sfgovtv go to the computer.

>> very quickly. >> very quickly if you see this is the parcel right here and a natural development of single-family homes at 25 foot wide lots one thing to not the 5 parcels are for the assessors building many of the parcels are on alone very quickly going to this is our image for the renderings along leeland's it is again, we looked at the single-family profile on both sides of the street. >> your time is up. >> and the commission may have other questions. >> if you have any questions about the lot coverage i can

answer that. >> thank you very much. >> public commenters in support of project that is a discretionary review i have (calling names). >> if your name has been called go ahead. >> good afternoon my name is la lash tarnish an actual member of the committee that as been displaced because of the housing situation we need more affordable housing in san francisco i started my small business owner as a black female and not being able to live in the place she's paying her taxes to keep small business thriving it is

disappointing to hear people don't want housing built here and a performance artist and here trying to keep the cultural and the arts alive in the city not much affordable housing so be that as it may buftsd floors and nobody there tried to keep the church up first place until 9595 project that want to build something to help the housing situation the housing in visitacion valley have garages it is not going to hurt the parking having a scar in the city is not helpful you can help by public transportation the concrete path the residents are worried about not used as much as expressed bus the fact the park is three hundred plus acre they're fighting about one acre for the affordable housing

approach that's kind of silly i'm not sure i'm sorry there are other views that can be seen the gasped will flourish with the new tenant and god knows we need more community in the city some 40 thousand artists due to the lack of housing have been suggested to the fires i had friends in the fire and they lived in this situations they can't find affordable housing no reason why we can't allow a project like that to happen and people to live safe they need to be active and productive citizens in the city the great city and it is more naked everyday because no where to

live 4 people living in a one bedroom and 4 thousand for a bedrooms two bedrooms i make $11,400 and health insurance and everything he can't afford the housing how am i sweet spot to live and the family thank you. >> next speaker, please. >> i'm a current resident of bernal heights approve member of the excelsior i got excited about that probably like more people in the thirty and 40s i have aging parents fortunately the skurnt condo and part-time

don't meet any families requirement as this we relocated my family and every other week we travel 4 hours taking care of them it would mean so much if i can purchase a home where i work and teaching and part of 24 community and my family has always been something like that would say great and mclaren park is a place we hang out with any dogs we have a lot of great times it is a fantastic area i walk around the neighborhood i seen the community parts of leeland's it is fantastic always someone in there it won't stop more people will contribute to it aside i think more housing in the city is great we have a lot of apartments and condo we don't

have a lot of houses to meet the families need a lot harder than that i thought more developments will mean better things for me and my family. >> thank you. any additional speakers in support of discretionary review? >> seeing none, the dr requester you have two minutes. >> in terms of the affordable housing supposedly building they will be luxury homes next door is valued at $800 built in the 50 no one in visitacion valley can afford to live next door

those are not affordable housing there is a bottom line negative impact to the mclaren park no way it doesn't matter thirty or 40 feet there will be shadows there are views that will be destroyed there's no views like this in visitacion valley that are assessable by foot i am stunned that the eir came up with there being no impacts on this you know our neighborhood so i i don't know - i just feel frustrated because over and over our neighborhood is burdened with extraordinary amount of housing and we welcome that we fought for it hits the want a little bit of land and by the way, when we started to fight for schlage willie brown, jr. said you can't take that land it

is private we were not going to give up and i'm not saying interest should be eminent domain but this project shouldn't happen it is the wrong place and to build luxury homes on a pathway where children in sunnyvale walk everyday twice a day is obscene and i can't say anymore. >> thank you. >> project sponsor you have 2 minutes to rebutton>> i. lien dick again those are previously owned the church voluntarily sold it no information that was in line for acquisitions by the

city billed rh1 and not open space the project is code compliant ample generated space and code compliant providing i think someone mentioned open space is owned and it does the fact that is adjacent to mclaren park shouldn't mean 2 be burdened with other requirement other use that happen 2509 be the general plan but the governor for the golden gate park those homes are in demand i understand they're for sale and large homes but the idea again don't get opportunities in the city family-sized homes or supergreen generational families can live a tremendous benefit by the approximate it to mclaren park with the proximity to school and shopping those are

the kind of housing to balance out that portion the housing sector we don't do as well we are looking to build denser more affordable housing but there are people again that will jump at the chance to live in the neighborhood and stay in the city and raise their kids to take care of her parents i urge you to look at it from the inside out from oppose ways the dr requesters first and foremost this is a private parcel that is adjacent to mclaren park we have no intention the disadvantaging mclaren park that's what is before you i urge you to deny the dr requester. >> this portion of the hearings public hearings is closed commissioners. >> commissioner moore. >> i have a question for staff

in july we heard a project on bernal heights boulevard and for hammond i think is the proper pronunciation and there was a parcel there was an idea of multiple parcels actually 5 parcels succumbing together i'm concurring how it started with an independent notice of permit building applications each project was presented in the context of those 5 new buildings creating a new context and each building in it's application you may remember the picture i printed it outburst each of those applications 10 spoke about the new buildings in the context of the other new buildings because there was neighborhood opposition for similar reasons slightly

different any question for staff is why it is this project coming down without addressing the surrounding including the new contact parcel as buildings have to harmonize with each other i'm not questioning the design but the process of submittal i believe 5 new homes that don't come forward as an example u direct your attention d's it was more difficult to see how much attention we spent open this project and ultimately clearly helped us to understand it what an approval project but easy try not to have the context of what happened to be justified.

>> commissioner moore are you asking why each the single-family units were submitted as it's only building permit application or i'm not familiar. >> i'm asking why they went together to start to talk with each other in the application again designed into a context farmed as a package of 5 individual applications lying on top of each in which. >> they were submitted as its own application to the 5 permit applications by reviewed holistic with the residential design team reviewed and staff reviewed it they were and the environmental very were reviewed in terms of context and design and environmental. >> so if that's the case why not that particular aspect of

the project not coming into this commission to approve that there the same review criteria that the residential design guidelines and residential design team looked at the project to appreciate this project i will have to see it in context i'm saying that because in the previous case this commission had to push this back three or four times to be submitted to deal with several eirs there were three or four eirs and we want to do justice from both ended and in the end we supported this project that was properly documented and properly understand the reason the applicant fully responded to the drs i'm saying and asking you feel this particular opportunities is not given to me

in the way the project is submitted from the other one i'm asking is there a reason why. >> i thought that the issue had been the subdivisions subdivisions you're asking why not a larger context shown sorry. >> that's; correct i'm for example, concerned in 2, 3, 4 participate project the most westerly parcel are taking on a lot configuration if all the lots are regular listed i'll you don't feel kick out to a broader shape i believe further interferes with the concerns with the easy package for people who may want walk along the west

side and connect to the park and other spaces beyond i feel the context is for the as clear or the challenge to be asked i'm not saying i'm trying to understand and be sensitive to what this project is trying to do and where i feel didn't give me quite enough to fully understand it if you have the plans i don't know. >> i can hand this around to the majority of commissioners were here ultimately we all approved that project with the board to count it for what the neighbors railroad asking for you probably remembeprobably re

>> commissioner hillis. >> no thanks i appreciate the work of the visitacion valley alliance over the years with the executive park they've been a great community to work with in promoting actually additional housing but i do think i may disagree with them a little bit here that's a good site for housing i get it not with the impacts there or it is a sensitive site adjacent to the park but their privately held parcels i think we've- to maybe commissioner moore's point i'm not sure i get it but we are in a situation all-or-nothing the dr requesters are not saying you know let's do something with the

westernmost house or figuring out how this works all-or-nothing we don't want a project here but or we want a project we've given the design a little bit of a short trip in the process to me that is actually, the most important part of this how it fits in this is actually a great site to build housing and the fact that is privately owned adjacent to the park and maybe we can ask mr. g to give us a quick overview of the site as we sit here we if get that and commissioner moore talked about the responses to the dr requester we didn't get that the boards understand. >> i'll probably need the overhead projector. >> if we can get this -

>> very quickly we do have 5 parcels here they are the 2 you see here. >> will you reduce that so i can see the whole thing. >> the button has a zoom on top. >> this actually, the architects very quicken what happens is there are as 25 foot frontage lot this is 18.75 feet in a trapezoid we're there is about 66 feet deep and this is very much 72 feet from here to the property line on this what is interesting the natural lot pattern that was never emerged and a large wedge we put 24 house here interesting to not if you be take into account this site this portion of the site is

uphill from the leeland and raymond street location and if you look at it quickly the survey it is hard to see this is leeland up the street and there is raymond here and up here is visitacion valley so what happens is at the curve heights this visitacion valley avenue road is about one feet turn around the curve height and 42 on leeland a steep topography that goes away from the site as you leave the triangle shape property line it is important to note the shadow impact but said there is a large retaining wall we have to have and the site slopes up ward away from the

decoration from the of any questions. >> can you show the evaluations. >> the one facing visitation the raymond street i have those. >> those how you approach those design of those forms. >> sure. >> is that i think what i'm missing a little bit is i think a great opportunity in the buildings to me they look a little bit like they could be anywhere in the city again, we don't see an opportunity to build single-family homes i think is good in this case in this neighborhood not a lot of projects happening but the design that is responsive and maybe you can you talk a little bit about. >> what is interesting to not the context on leeland's are single-family homes from different eras as you can see

this is distorted the adjacent building are here and two stories some are single and have stucco and some have wood siding and across the street this is yes, ma'am lasts the front of building and setback the story with the staff it is important we minimize the profile honor this line this roof line that goes across the buildings on the street there was a lot of modulation and supervises along leeland's to it will be cement plasterwork with siding and then in these they'll have the 10 foot garage doors.

>> to you have any renderings from half the buildings the ones looking down how about those front ones. >> i think we didn't have the renderings dropped in just a quick plan. >> right. >> commissioner melgar. >> so i also like commissioner moore having a hard time looking t at it in the context if you can go back to the map i have a question because looking at to the dr requesters running toledo threading and the comments was that the kids in visitacion valley middle school will no longer have access from visitation avenue from leeland avenue or visitation avenue where the community garden is

and raymond avenue; right? i couldn't see from your map if you can put it up again does the lot line go all the way. >> this is the lot line right here and okay. where it visitation avenue. >> visitation avenue is up way up in the areaway over here up much higher. >> can you put it slide it down a little bit. >> we're probably looking at you the lot line didn't end ton raymond avenue? this lot line here? the cul-de-sack of raymond you've seen in the photograph and the open space area public right-of-way that faster going to the street so if i can show you this myself

>> if i may commissioner. >> i'm very confused. >> i think the point that both of the raymond and leeland dead end into the park you can walk into the park i think a path cross a private area across the two. >> you see the dead end here's the 3 buildings and so this is visitation avenue so there is still space is between the buildings and visitation avenue and an established trail as you can see that follows visitation avenue from raymond that allows you to the community garners and the playground area so even when some people are assigned it the children have used this through the church not like visitation avenue is a property site as you can see an area of open space into the blue buildings and

visitation avenue valencia right there so there is not like a lot of traffic up against the building a wide open area the community gardens here and there's a space open area between the site. >> that's okay. what you're saying that path will aluminum. >> yeah. >> all the way down to the community gardens so what he was talking about this a property and not being o blirthd to provide of right away through the property itself; correct? >> correct.; correct if you see this angle this is the property line and we're not very much far west of where you see the blue buildings the property line an incredible open space buffer

between visitation avenue and the project site. >> i have one more question going on to what commissioner hillis was talking about it looks like the last building on the trapezoid lot you have like a side yard there because you were saying that the property line actively extend beyond that i'm wondering what your plans are for that. >> this also the rear yard and the landscaped and will be landscaped and are you putting a fence there. >> we can a discussion with what the staff thinks i don't think we want to put a typical redwood but not intrusive against the open space we've provided protection to the

property another discussion. >> i - and if skids have been going through there for decades and decades no, i. wondering if there are design things you can do to address that. >> that's an item we can discuss. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much. >> i think that my comments for the natural projects and design will follow commissioner melgar sort of saying the same comments on context to me the biggest issue is that i see there is no, this is a private property but still have a common issue; right? well tread pathways here and away with the property that is absolutely used by people in the neighborhood this is a way in terms of if we

ever talk about the neighborhoods in this context any way to preserve some of that or accommodate that's what i love us to focus the discussion in that a good site for housing and a continuation of this same block avenue or street project was very, very similar if that it was a continuation of the hill of a street all single-family homes and putting more homes at the end of the street and in this case we don't have to do that there is a road where it goes where it needed to if you could i'd like to follow-up with commissioner melgar's line of questioning if we could go back can you point out where it that pathway or

maybe the dr requester that the people are traditional using now and then let's say with the impact is there. >> so. >> i'm going to ask the dr requesters and have you respond i think - >> can i ask commissioner johnson a question is the packet on view number one looking west towards the church. >> i don't know. >> i'm confused that's why i'm asking the question. >> i thought that was this pathways. >> that's why i'm asking the question; right? there's a pathway but also the blue is where even though church is and . >> that's the footprint of the garage. >> right now that's where the church is. >> i've gone out there and

measured my case and got it wrong one and 1 feet cross the frontage on raymond that takes that within 15 feet that corner. >> that's half that is outside where your finger is now. >> the path from the middle school down here through here and then. >> that's what i thought. >> and another path of concrete path here so that's these have been in use. >> that's what i thought. >> this is really the site at the corner. >> okay - >> can i finish one sentence. >> raymond after a circle here with dpw built only about where here's raymond here's visitation avenue there is only 10 feet between the two and about 10 feet up and two trees a -

they'll collapse a possibility it they'll collapse i don't know how a path come down here deal with that need to be shored up and past here. >> thank you, thank you i want to focus. >> not as much spates as shown. >> okay. thank you. >> need this still. >> no got it that would be helpful one for the an issue in the zoned open space right now a path in the park mclaren park and right in the impact there is that the new homes will just bring new developments closer to the edge of that packet right now is sort of open field and a church and houses and then there is a concrete pathway on the side of the church that people are using

this will be imposed number one private property and number two the way the houses are situations a acquire amount of move forward open space between so no longer be that pathways okay. so - >> that's helpful this project works i mean, i have similar commentaries to the project yes that would be helpful if rec and park will bid and make it a continuation of mclaren park yes, but they have a long list of properties for acquisitions they're trying to work through and the materials we're provided made it clear they didn't prioritize this lot that maybe a

statement but without that we don't have the you know really the authority to say they can't - they have to make an open space i consider going into the hearing, talking about essentially would that help to not have 5 lots but maybe 4 you know would that be helpful to not have one or more of the homes planned for this area but i also think this is not necessarily getting to the concerns of the community so it really is an all-or-nothing proposition is that the position we're placed in i feel like at this time i'm supportive of having it there rather than not i'll see what my fellow commissioners have to

say. >> ii echo back they wanted to parcel to be used as 100 percent affordable i'll say you need $58 million and step up and say it is not ours to acquire i know we don't have that here the economy for the parks recommended for those who want to put it on the list for fire rec and park didn't put it on the list no funding sources looking forward so i see where commissioner johnson said that so without overseeing two things it is hard to say we should be doing anything each one what we should allow the project i had a question from staffs point of view the ecology the