basically the road. can you start again maybe we constitute a group of people and start a permit process and now we want this to occur in the summer and >> commissioner can i get you to speak into the microphone? >> i'm just wondering if there's any way to retain the june 4 date either at the polo fields were elsewhere and if that is impossible, if we started tomorrow with a be constituted group and a new permit in process, are there any other opportunities that might- >> they originally asked for september that are full fall calendar is full. we need the polo fields for youth soccer in the fall. kids are back in school. so we spent a lot of time identifying this date as the one that worked. when we get into july we run into [inaudible] the san francisco marathon. then we have outside lands. so it's very very tight.

if we found a location made it home in hollow we could find a different date not in september but we could try and work in find something a little waiter in the summer possibly could we could try. >> yes. it sounds like the number of participants is somewhat of a moving target and you want to make sure that in the event of a complete surprise of population showing up that you would be able to bring in portal parties and things like that >> well, 70,000 people dissenting on the old and the park was not something we really feel the park can accommodate. >> yes. okay well i'm kind of curious as to how we figure out

how many people might show up. i know that we know with the attendance was for the 40th. >> well, what we talked about it's really a big challenge with free events. we are so fortunate that we have the hardly strictly bluegrass, that are free events, three days and really been developed. over the years. and so when we have free events we talked about ways to limit it. making sure that performers are not going to draw a huge crowd not publicizing it nationwide and just bring as many people we spend over a year trying to work with the power of peace event to try to keep that event in the park and talk about different methods to try to limit attendance including the free tickets so that you couldn't show up if you didn't have one so we know how many people were going to be there.

but that took over a year and a half of trying to plan that. in the end, they chose not to keep going. it's not an easy situation. but if it was small but publicized it was a group in this room, sure. >> yes. would i be able to address the public? >> why we do this. when we get commissioner low's question and when there's a motion you can speak to it in any manner you wish. commissioner low >> i was wondering if the attorney mr. wind could come up to the podium? i would just first say if you could get eric clapton here that would be pretty awesome. [laughing] tears in heaven have special meaning to me.

>> we are trying >> leila i was here that a squat. okay. the question in this case is hazarding an abuse of discretion by the department staff in denying the permit and finding there was a misrepresentation material fact . you have heard dana ketchum outline several grounds for denying the permit. where have you explained to us how there's been an abuse of discretion by our department staff? >> sure. i noticed that instead of saying boots lied or made and misrepresentations that was a miscommunication. i would say you're always not miscommunications when you're far enough 19 e-mail semester oh of communication where you're on the phone when you are not

sitting down at a meeting taking those committing to something. that's what happened on january 13. we sat down for the first time and said, look, whatever problems you have that sort them out. at this table and we did. we did. even the police officer there [inaudible] he was pleased with the whole meeting went. he's the one who given the number 22. everything we talked about at that meeting was put in an e-mail i sent them going to do this summer i want communication to be open between our spirit going to put it in an in a pirate anything is wrong make your comments, tell me i am wrong. but we want this process to work. that was her attitude going into the meeting that's how the meeting ended and we all shook hands event was on as far as i could tell when i walked out of that meeting on january 13. two weeks later we got a letter saying he was denied. as i said i felt like we gone down the rabbit hole. i do not will she was talking about about those talk with the police officer today. i think we had six at the last meeting were 12 and

police officer saying i can tell until the 22 so it [inaudible] the whole thing is just chatter. there is nothing that replaces a sitdown meeting in a communication that happens across the table. that's what we did on january 13 it was very a fact that we were on the same page while we got tonight at the last second i don't know. i can say, if you want for example this rock med think he talked about rock band name michael. michael perry works and michael rick perry said don't worry about it will be. let's put that in his budget we made representations. fine. dr. davidson at the guy who founded the company standing here spoke here today. he said, fine. they will do it. then you get somebody is always a texan guy who runs the place while were in his namesake david smith is speaking for rocket the guy is writing back it they are out to get us. i don't know why this is happening. david smith is

here. he said we will be there. if that's not enough for anybody with some we can offer you anything more. we've got a letter from rock med they said they will be there but you got to believe this has to be a trusting relationship between these two parties could you cannot have a concert with the city and promoter are at each other's throats. it doesn't make sense. it's not workable. what i want to do is keep what happened at the generally 13th meeting a lot. i want to be able to sit down with these folks and say, look, what is he wants to do. we will do it. here's the schedule. but this in the eye and say this what you want to do and we will do it. these other companies they have staff their people. they can spend hours doing this stuff. we are all volunteered. we are trying our best good we want to try our best and were willing to be as open and agreeable as possible but you can't just keep taking shots at us like if it doesn't help help anybody. in terms of the emergency medical services plan

whatever was partially done has been fully done. it's attached to my brief. i think if they want more will give them more. in terms of the homeland security i don't even know what that is about. you read what she said which is that boots and the officer standing on a hill talking looking at the map chuck provided implicit, yes, there's a hill there and the officers said yes, who said that's a nice sideline you know would be a good piece lease for the police to send the officer writes that we never said anything about that. who cares. doesn't matter. the officer said he was 22 of us to bathe 22 people we will have 22 people there. that is fine. we don't care. we will do what they want. we said that to him on january 13. for them to come back and take shots set about stuff in october and november i can understand why. in terms of c park production

whenever they want the map that i gave you it's a big map. i blew it up. it's one of my exhibits so the other side has a good we sat down at the table. everybody looked at on january 13. everybody pointed to things and said this is now working to handle things. that always done. why they're complaining now we've got portable water listed somewhere words not to be we will change the map. these are little things that parties working together in good faith can resolve. that's what we want to do. >> thank you >> sir, did you want to weigh in? >> just in response to commissioner anderson's question. i do want data to give us context around how long of a lead time you need to plan these events and understand the department issued about 55,000 permits a year. about 1000 of those are special event permits and dana commissioner

anderson's question, could you speak to average lead time it takes to create an event like this so that we have an understanding of what we're up against? >> well, it generally takes about nine months at least to plan an event of this magnitude this many people. there is just a lot of pieces to be put in place. i think one of our challenges here was that these things were not coming together. other than verbal commitments. and so that's why we didn't favor announcing the date but it does take a lot of planning. >> commissioner bonilla >> the longer i sit here listening to all these wonderful speakers the more passionate that i become about this venue truly. but i think as commissioners we would be

remiss if we approved the plan that is presented. so my concern is how can we-i mean with a short amount of time -talk about now and june, how do we put a process in place that would reduce the type of planning scheduling coordination of all the city departments-how do we do that? it seems almost an impossibility >> >> well, that's why january talked about in the meeting on the list of to-do's was to find an independent more recently experienced event organizer to step in. and that was a

fundamental on his attorneys list because we've been working for nine months and hadn't been moving forward. things that were our website we pointed to very beginning. people talk about they could not figure out who to contact at mta get the contact is on the website. the permit of emergency medical requirements all on her website. so we felt that if because we were close to dying in december and we really-we also wanted this event to happen. so we gave that one more chance and then when we got the misrepresentation but the event organizer and then we got the public announcement and saw the crowd anticipated we really were kind of had no choice but to make us really hard decision. >> could it be coproduced so that we don't lose the feel, the art >> we have in trying. earlier

this week we gave mr. wine a list of i think about 15-18 different producers who if he could get one of them to help the new had the experience to pull a triumphalist again i don't know what's happened with that. but these are pieces that are just their part of doing an event. i know people want to volunteer and show up and have a great time and i want them to have a great time we need the other pieces in place. if, you know if they can reconstitute if they can find that person and come back to us they could submit another application. >> okay. >> it doesn't stop it from >> the project being proposed -i mean so the project is not dead in the water? there is still some life here? >> yes. were trying to of

other events that will celebrate this. this is important. we understand. >> yes. because i would summer of love means a lot to this city. i came here-i moved here during that era and for a while i was part of that culture. so i would really love to see this happen in some way. it may not be in the form that was presented but if it could happen i would believe be happy. >> thank you. commissioner anderson >> i've questions for mr. wine. mr. wing we know theoretically a new permit process could go under way. is there an opportunity to collaborate with someone? i'm not to cast aspersions on mr. boots organizational abilities were to

deny the enthusiasm of the council of light but it sounds like some detail work is needed. would you be able to put together a team and would you be able to afford it if you had to take on an organizer that wanted to get paid a little something? >> well, what i can say is boots has a staff of 20 having 30 people. who are around full-time. we if the city wants to meet every day we will meet everyday. if they want to meet once a week only once a week. if they chose to jump through a hoop we will jump through a hoop. the problem hasn't been that we are willing to the problem the people are talking past each other. it doesn't make sense to start again. does make sense to go work in a resubmit all paperwork and what is the difference? the paperwork is there. the people are there. the person he wants to produce this event is here.

all we are asking for an open line of communication with a can say, here's what you have to do here is the day you have to do. here's what you have to do it in here's the date you have to do. is that what we've got and that's on a website. you go to it. you know-i mean it may be a process that's laid out through practical experience that's brand-new to us but if we don't know we can do it. you've got to explain it to us and if ms. catch most of them sit down with us and actually look across the table and say, this is what we need from you by the state and it'll get done. i don't think it's possible to start over. i mean whatever starting over news. >> well, i guess i was thinking maybe we could save this event by hitting the reset button but you wouldn't be reinventing the wheel. you know what th rec and

park needs and i do believe both sides are working in good faith but i think there's some trust issues. as will think this generational issues here. things have changed in ways we don't really like but unfortunately, because the security needs, because we have activist neighbors who want to protect their home,, because we have homeland security issues, that i never-i mean every now and then i'll go to one of these wonderful events of the city at all be enjoying myself and now think i got someone could grow pro-obama and here. it's like it's sad we have to go there >> it is >> but these are really important things. want to our this event. i think amazing. i feel that sometimes when i was born because i was a little girl . the vietnam war and my dad ran the change record sorts of little rock are considered a was hanging out with hippies having a good old time at age 5. in watching the vietnam news and wishing i could be a protester. so i get this and i want this to happen with this

group of people the way that they wanted to happened but guys, you've got to follow the new rules unfortunately. i would urge you to find a partner and i was thinking about there's all these medical marijuana dispensaries good people out there trying to run legitimate businesses and move the city and be good corporate citizens like the apothecary in places like that. why don't you get some help and start over? i don't this to be the summer of love interruptus. let's see if we can make this work within rec and park wools and regulations. >> commissioner low >> i would just echo commissioner anderson's remarks and i think this is a terrific event. the lineup so far sounds great but the question before us is hasn't been an abuse of discretion by our department staff. on denying the permit

finding that there was a misrepresentation of material fact. and i've not heard anything that would cause us to overrule our department staff determination could so i would move to affirm the apartment staff's decision and deny the permit and reject the appeal. but again, pointing out that this doesn't end the process. they're still an opportunity to resubmit it permit application. >> we have a motion. is there a second? >> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, say nay. hearing none, is unanimous >>[gavel] >> thank you all i knew they go for being a good audience. i know you're not happy >> under the regulation has to

be a written decision. i can work with you we can draft one >> would you drafted, thank you.park >>[pause]

>> the commission is going to take a five-minute break by the room clears. >>in session. we are on item 10 which is general of the common good is or anyone here who didn't speak on the item for that like to speak now? seeing none, this item is closed and we are now on item 11 which is closed session and is there any public comment on this matter? seeing none, public comment is closed. we need a motion of a second and a vote on whether to hold closed session to confer with legal counsel >> so moved. >> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, say nay. >> so i need you to hold on

just a moment so i can do everything i need to. >> i will entertain a motion to whether not disclose- >> we have to whether to report on emotions we need a motion on that and whether to disclose or not. two separate motions. >> motion not to report >> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, say nay. >> then a motion and second on vote whether to disclose any or all discussions >> will not to disclose

>> second. >> all those in favor say, aye. [chorus of ayes.] opposed, say nay. so most >> we are on item 12 new business agenda setting commissioners anything queen public comment seeing none, public comment is closed. 13, communications could any public comment leap seeing none, public comment is closed. 14 is adjournment. >> so moved. >> second. >> thank you commissioners. >>[gavel] >>[adjournment] >> >> >> i

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>> >> could we have a roll call. >> president edna james. >> present. >> vice president gustavo serina. >> here. >> commissioner samer itani is excused. commissioner katie loo. >> here. >> commissioner richard ow. >> here. >> commissioner commissioner roy kaushick roy. roy. >> >> and note that neil sims is present. >> i would like to approval of the agenda with changes and meeting minutes and under reports no report from the

nominating committee. can i have a motion? >> so moved. >> second. >> it's approved that we approve the agenda with the following changes. all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposes? aye's have it and the motion carries. the next item is approval of the january 4 meeting minutes. could i have a motion. >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. it has been moved and second that we approve the january 4 commission meeting minutes. all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposes. aye it is have it and the motion carries. item 4 approval of the february 1 meeting minutes. >> so moved. >> can i have a second? >> second. >> okay. it's been moved and second that we approve the february 1 meeting minutes. all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposes? ayes have it and so the motion is carried. [gavel] five -- item 5 director's

report. executive director. >> good afternoon commissioners. i'm going to keep my report very brief today because we have a lot of items on the agenda. one of the things that is happening this is the time of year when we start doing some of the lobbying at the state and federal levels so next week is the california association of air agency on aging capital day next thursday and tom nolan from daas and i be attending together and hoping to meet with some of the representatives in the state. i am going to washington, d.c. in april for the national association of aging public policy briefing which we have been able to attend every year. it's usually really helpful information that we get there and i have been visiting our representatives on the hill along with the rest of the california contingent so that should be interesting and i will come back and report back. i