>> here with the equipment and can you please rise for the preliminaries

the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> commissioner president turman i'd like to call roll please do so. >> commissioner president turman commissioner mazzuco commissioner marshall commissioner dejesus commissioner melara commissioner hing commissioner president turman we have quorum and also with us is the police chief chief of police william scott and the director of the police of accountability. >> thank you sergeant killshaw members of the public welcome to the wednesday, march 1, 2017, meeting the san francisco police commission first of all, i want to make an announcement from

city hall please be advised the ringing of and use of cell phones, contractors will be testing tonight you will hear the fire alarms community-based off between 6 - between 5 and 9 it is only a test we don't have to leave the building hopefully it will not be disruptive but make pa call thank you if you have any questions call 415 about city hall testing to that effect. >> okay sergeant killshaw next item. >> to be. >> first of all, i'm going to be taking items 2 b off-line the deputy director is with us the

deputy director is ill and not be able to attend with that, that's the only item on the agenda i see as needing any announcement about rescheduling or reprioritizing sergeant killshaw item one consent calendar request the chief of police to accept 200 plus from the hilton financial district so for the central station request of the chief of police to accept the gifts for the observation ed marched wong from the nob hill for the san francisco planning commission and other charitable organizations valued as $1,500 and request for the chief of police to accept the koomgs of $200 329 alamo women's club if fed rated for the departments community fund.

>> okay. colleagues in your inpatient are separate memos on these requests to accept those donations are there any questions or issues regarding them. >> no. >> i move to accept. >> okay. >> public comment any public comment on item the the consent calendar? hearing none, public comment is closed. the matters there is a motion that has been seconded and sergeant killshaw can i have a vote by a showing of hands all in favor, say i. >> opposed? thank you unanimously approved next item, please. >> reports to the commission discussions chiefs report on recent police department activists with crime trends and promotions and overview of first thirty days of chief of police

and report on traffic saturation and investigation. >> all right. good evening chief >> good evening commissioner president turman and commissioner mazzuco and board commissioners i'd like to start today with the kind of a breakdown of my first right of refusal thirty days as chief of police for the san francisco police department give you some highlights of the first thirty days here and i'll start with the most significant event forensic and for the most part starting with my second day in the position we began a reorganization of the departments structure and the thought process in the requirement behind the reorganization to support and create an infrastructure that would give us the best

possibility of implementation and sustainability for the doj for other blue ribbon panel suggestions with the president 21st century policing and we believe our structure is now in place that will give us a very, very good that framework to work with those objectives that included reactivating the assistant chiefs position that has existed formally within the san francisco police department so we activated it position and had two chiefs and toney chaplin and assistant chief hector and we also restructured and reorganized actually took away one deputy chief but added some commander positions mainly one

of the commander positions a commander position that was failed the test with commander david lazzaro there were many recommendations in the doj report that talked about the need to have a cohesive strategy with the community relations and to institutionalize many of the things to commander lazzaro will be tasked with public health department that together and taking that to an organization that does a lot of good things but can get better and institutionalize our community it transcends the snernld in my opinion a very, very important part of the structure that we note to maintain those efforts

commander lazzaro has begun to formulate from the community engagement our strategic project we'll continue until we have to done with that, part of the strategic plan process another department of human services dr recommendations to have are community input so we have have begun that process to identify community members will be a part of the process and our community meetings and outreach we're actually putting the invitation out and will then a short time decide what those work and those focus groups are look like in terms of the community bureaucrat u input great under the purview of commander lazzaro with my point of view and the command staff i

meet e met with a number of communicated organizations in the first thirty days spent a lot of time and getting out in the community and meeting with the associations and business members in the chinese and african-american community and jewish community the latino that community and business community members and have a whole list of folks i've met with given me a very good feel of where we need to go as an organization to address the concerns public safety and collaborative concerns those groups have a really good education for me coming from los angeles being in san francisco has been great for me and the people i've met with including hosted by commissioner president turman with the lgbtq community really, really have met some really welcoming people that are lou gehrig willing to

work with me to make the city a better city other significant events on february 1st, we're suspecting the participation with the joint services and task force that was a big decision i want to emphasize your intention and purposes to keep the city safe we have an outstanding working relationship with the federal partner but we're going to look at the policies and adhere to the processes before we begin discussions on go where we'll move forward on is jttf this week with commander lazzaro a maid a number of promotions promote the following individuals michael to deputy

chief and the policing bureau and promoted commander roberto deputy chief he'll be in charge the administrative bureaucracy and promoted captain dan guerrero to commander and i'll be in operations still and also promoted captain yee from the training division to commander and will be assuming a commander position in the administrative bureaucracy we have accomplished a couple of things one of the things in an executive is concerned about the sustainability of the department we believe we promoted people with capacity on connection to assume higher degrees of responsibility if it opportunity arise or selected by me or

others we put ourselves in positions that was part of the progress and part of the plan in terms of the structure one of the things that i looked at in terms of the some of the people that were selected they're very, very passionate about the change we the transformation that doj blue ribbon panel of the 21st century policing initiatives and the recommendations implemented they're passionate about that and we think we have the leadership to get it done i'm proud to make those announcements and promotes we have a good team in place what we need to move forward and get those things done and lastly in terms of public

safety it depends on other city departments and elected officials and a spent a lot of time meeting with elected officials and department heads an individual basis to get common ground on vision and to work with those individuals and those departments to make our city safer and deliver services that is take advantage of the many great things this city has to over there is a lot of vision in terms of off how weigh tackle the homeless issue the police department is not the end all we have to understand or think how we fit in the bigger scheme of things to sit down with the department heads in terms of my role as the chief of police and push to the members to really push down through every level of

the organizations we understand how we work with other departments to police this city i've spent a lot of time during the first thirty days sitting down with the elected officials and others on where we go working together and those are the highlights of my first thirty days i will end where we are in crime in terms of the first month of january january of 2015 i want to share the comparison where we are this year where we were last year with the crime statistics by we are that up in homicides had a bad month in homicide june of this year 6 this year calendar to one last year we are significantly up and turned the tide somewhat and slowed down things we put the strategies to focus on the individuals in the

areas where the crimes are occurring we have 10 up to date compared to 6 last year at the end of january down 26 percent in rates we had 50 next year january 31st of this year compared to 37 down 6 percent percent in robberies 200 and 456 and 241 this year aggregated assaults up in jangle 2016 compared to january of 2015 up robberies and in human trafficking we're down to zero first month in january where we had 10 this time last year and this is not to say those crimes are not existing those cases we

identified are zero so we continue to put focus on those cases to make sure we bring those folks involved in that human trafficking traffickers to bring them to justice in terms of property crime we're overall down 8 percent from last year as of january 31st burglaries were down for must 50 and auto thefts it is 401 for a net of 164 arson down one from two million last year from january 31st of this year area permanent and other thefts we down significantly 8 percent but that number representatives from 3000 plus this year and 3000 one and

3 sorry last year 337 last year and 3307 this year that's significant over three hundred crimes down that includes the burglaries and automobile thefts we will continue to focus on but we believe that we are focus in the right place on the right people so the people that commit those crimes we believe that makes a difference that concludes my report. >> right. >> thank you chief questions for the chief commissioner. >> commissioner dejesus. >> thank you chief i have to say i saw those promotions and have to ask you questions i don't mean to be disrespect for the 6 promotions 14 members on the command staff two i understand you made 6

promotions they're all men i'm going by the names confrontations it for me, i remember reading in one the studies which one talking about the leadership reflecting the general population of the department and so some of the questions i have are you want you to answer in a broad sense were there any women in the running and if not what does that is a about the department you talk about developing leadership it is important to develop the women as well as the men and wondering about the command staff it looks like an aligning and latino offenders from the promotion that was another thing the ratio of our department of leadership i have the same questions were women in the running if not how do we

develop and get more of a ratio that looks like the department as a whole. >> yes, ma'am let me address and do the comparisons with the command staff first of all, the command staff includes the sooivenz those numbers include civilian directors 3 that have the equivalent of a director one of the things we have to utility the talent of the civilian as command staff to be just that we have 3 command staff staff members that are services two are women and one man overall numbers as follows: with the command staff we are ti percent male and 91 female our department numbers in terms of men and women i have it right here - let's see - are 84.9

male and 50 percent female we're a little bit higher with the female numbers in the command staff than the department the demographics are 14 percent black and 110 hispanic and 16 asian and two percent filipino the numbers reflective of the entire department are 050 percent white, 9 point plus black, 16 plus hispanic and 16.23 percent asian so our numbers are very closely reflective of the breaks down of the ethnicity of this department with that said, to answer our second question everyone is in the running at the end of the day the positions are based on

who we think can get the job done and putting the right people in the right places and discussions how we need to get better in terms of the pools that feed into working to a command staff position we have 3-2 current lists adopted a lieutenant and captain list there are women and the numbers are actually pretty close reflective of the numbers i read to you definitely take into consideration when we make the next round of promotions a number of captains positions same thing with the lieutenant we have to look at who are in the pools and those factors will be take into consideration but i want to emphasize in terms of the comparison where we are

compared to the department is atlantic beach exactly conditional equal. >> so the two women out of 21 regardless if their sifkdz that represents he 15 percent of the department. >> no, no there are more than two don't forget to include the sivenz. >> okay. i'm looking at the command staff i was promoted e provided and asking who are the civilians. >> so the question the folks that are promoted no women in this round of promotes the overall numbers are reflective of the entire command staff. >> right. right including the civilians i saudi this as police officers i have the 21 that are department heads and only 2 women so make sure that

percentage your including other women they don't say ranges i'm talking about financial gains so we're talking about women within the range and file that are promoted only 2. >> we have two women and with the command and deputy chief there are captains that are being developed two were promoted to captain the conversation goes beyond what is in the command staff it goes to have we putting ourselves in a position to have a pool we can draw from we have some work to do to make sure that pool is there. >> right. >> to make sure we can put the people in position bans the merit but effective of the diversity so in my opinion a conversation that the proemgsdz i made i assure you that is on

the forefront. >> i agree when you look at where the budget and promotions with the financial gain and all the ranges and the minority but when you look at the budget and look where you're putting the money and make sure we develop women and minority and value them thank you. >> great, thank you. >> commissioner melara. >> yeah. you mentioned that captain was promoted to the commander. >> yes, ma'am. >> have you thought who will take his place. >> not ready to releases the names a number of captains to put people in different places rather and that goes back to your question giving everybody the opportunity to work the assignments that are deemed the premium assignments running a

station is a premium assignment a huge responsibility you can do a lot for you're career and for separately. >> not ready to release the names we're having discussions who those people will be and shortly be ready to make that public. >> commissioner marshall. >> chief is there a report 0 i don't want to add to it i think that should be included in there your preceding over the first slrm and in your remarks especially i think well-received by everyone in attendance particularly the range and file and for it televised you should

put that on your list and i did in the mel valor my first metal of valor and the stories that were shared they were really made me proud to be a member of this organization a lot of what we want our officers to be able to exhibit and some of the incidents and they appropriately received an award and also my first graduation so my first academy graduation we had a couple of nights after the metal of valor and again my honor to bring in in any first academy grace class in addition part of it i didn't mention part of what i've been doing from 0 day one even before i got here with the

district stations and specializing in meeting with the officers and talking with the officers that continues the only station i have not invited will offsite was the central station but visited all the others gotten many of the line-ups see including the hall of justice and really that is very informative and meet the officers and talk with the officers hear what they had to say as well. >> any other questions for the chief. >> thank you, chief thank you. >> next line item. >> commissioners and president's report. >> the matters i was going to report they're taken care of the graduation and thank you are

there any other commission reports. >> commission reports. >> two over here. >> xhirg. >> thank you president we want to report i've continued my world wind tour following the chief i'm not met with except for two stations everyone san francisco planning commission, southern station northern park, richmond and taraval and tenderloin in addition to the special victims unit and continue to be impressed by the quality of the captains and look forward to working with them. >> thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner dejesus. >> commissioner hing and i attend the oakland eis with the members of the department and the members of the police accountability and the bar satiation or association be

we're so far head they talked about first of all, they really revamped their whole system and realize there are values and the values are not working for them their redoing they found this was what i heard maybe they fixed it but captured so much data the data was unyoursable they hired the mining company and look at it and trerntd so the department can understand and the department can pick and choose they put it in and captured it and developing a program for like 4 years now sorry two years i think so they can hit a button and bring up the status of the police

officers nothing but they can bring right now a sergeant they found that didn't work they have a committee up to the captains and the commander and the command staff and have a committee and evaluate it they get a lot of false positives but evaluate and make an or a determination three hundred people and only two were counseled a documents from an array of people indicating why for the false positive or then so and that's something we need to fix our has a assert that makes that review and it is spread out and needs to be documented and how the data is captured i don't know if we have a my wife and i company i know that we have a cell phone

program i don't know if it rivals but they're willing to work with us and keep it going forward and found they've been working with stanford and found do stanford people were able to all help that's the second piece that helps them interpret the data and when the data came out a report last year the officers said wungs that didn't reflect everything but an intelligence section that says we saw this person go what we stopped this person and it can vary so analyzed by stanford that will come out individually with the crime populated place it had been because of probable cause is a detailed report go writing

they went back by a to the back to the drawing board i think you want to continue working with the eis we can work and i'd like to know about the systems our it is capture and our phones rival what they have in that place over there and have anything that is in our system they use the outside contractors and with stanford is up to speed working with the department and knows that san francisco/oakland has encountered flaws in their report and fixing it with the department oakland i'm wondering if we'll hire an expert stanford has a running start what to look for a no, i was impressed by the conversations that they have we if talk to rank and file but

from the description of those in charge of the early intervention system sounds the conversations with the individuals they've identified as folks they should talk to have intended to be constructive with the goal of giving folks on idea and a supervision how to be better officers and officers and didn't hear from rank and file but well-received in terms of the stanford thing maybe that was when the meeting terminated but i was told that our department actually in potential contract negotiations with chicago on the possibility of them rather than stanford that's what i understand that is a possibility. >> who is i'm sorry who is the

department person you working with on this on eis. >> yeah. it was. >> i know that was an i a and john. >> oh, thank you. (laughter) youngblood >> and captain youngblood with you as well as someone - >> someone filed in two members of the department of and someone from the district attorney's office san francisco district attorney's office. >> well and the dpa so it sounds like you should - yeah sounds like we need to form a task force to keep on moving forward. >> i agree i agree. >> and sounds like commissioner will be the person. >> that's fine that's fine i know about that and mr. alden.

>> he's been helpful. >> sergeant youngblood and if oakland certainly has some tools they'll share with us. >> they were detailed for two years kraibd e draibd they're happy to share. >> any future commission reports. >> yeah. i'm sorry commissioner president turman. >> just briefly reiterate about what the chief said and commissioner president turman i spoke at the academy graduation we talked about the diversity of department this is an extremely diverse a class and seeing the families in the audience many languages were spoken had a

class president graduated from the uc berkley and first time i saw one multiple awards so ann has an incredible future in the department a great class go, go reflective of the future of the department and proud to see that put together and joked the chief was pleased to give a senior member of the police department it is a good place to be hearin

comment is closed. >> item 3 discussion item regarding staff for motion

proposed by supervisor yee action. >> colleagues in your packet is the measure proposed by supervisor yee regarding our staffing levels rather than me doing is long presentation on the issues we'll have supervisor yee come and talk about the measure. >> is within our packets. >> good evening commissioner president turman and other commissioners and also chief william scott. >> thank you for hearing this at the board of supervisors we spent a lot of time debating police staffing levels for the years the charters as you may know we should have one thousand plus police officers were pretty much

quickly approaching that number finally and we heard concerns about future roles as recruitments has been challenging in these trying times so also a lot of discussions about what is the best way to figure out what kinds of staffing for the future for example, last year the bucket legislative analyst introduced a report with finding that include that police staffing can't be based on population alone and can't - as the board of supervisors we're not experts in that and rather than us trying to figure it out or the mayor's office i decided that well, let's create a task force that can look at this work and the task force that i'm

talking about is strategic police staffing and deployment task force one of the things i thought about - the board of supervisors creates a lot of task force and in the sense we don't know who should be doing it and one of the most logical things i think of this is about police staffing the police force should be in the police commission rather than an outside entity so the resolution or legislation i introduced to ask for that to happen i believe that really the police commission is the best body to stir the process a task force formed by this commission can help to identify and implement a

comprehensive misrepresent approach for the staffing levels based on a variety of factors studies studies on calls for service crime data, officer withhold and population size i believe with a task force that as a cross section of public safety experts to safety the police staff and other stakeholders can come together to forge a path forward one of the things by having a mixer of folks in the task force we can come together in a conclusion as much as we i'd like i know that is politics are involved but the idea to take the politics out of this position and making it is too important to be making politics with the staff and the police department to make sure we have

a safe environment for the city so as a starting point the police staffing task force are representatives that represent data analysts and community stakeholder if from the following departments the u.s. department of justice and police services and cops for short the san francisco police department command staff the off of the controller's office and the department of police albeit formally known as the office of complaints, the office of sheriff the department of emergency management and thanks to thank you commissioner dejesus for you're input i want to add she considered pointing out experts from the bar association

so i want to commend first of all, before i forgot i want to commend the commission and the police department for the efforts no implementing the room of reforms identified by the department of justice i think you're taking on a big deal here so before those many reforms are underway and the leadership with chief william scott we can be creating the process for staff and the deployment given the public's interest i hope the commission will consider the process through the various community stakeholder like the murdered organization and jewish organization and the police community police advisory bodies i seen the board of supervisors as a partner in the work and building we - we do everything you can to support the process

our commission believes that should be implemented that is important for me to know about tonight discussion to incorporate things into the legislation that i'm putting forth and by the way, that has been introduced and heard at the g o a meeting tomorrow that is moving quickly whatever i hear from this body i'll try to make those amendments however, with the thing that paper that my aid passed out there are some things that i wanted to amend so i'll put them out i wanted to, of course, changes the office of complaints to the department of police accountability to change the name and add language to reflect the task force should go include

the bar association and thirdly, which is real important i wanted to add language urging that the commission - this commission to propose funding for this task force during the upcoming budget kindly so that we can be supportive at the board of supervisors level you know this is not something that you should think can be done with the statistics staffing it will take work someone has to do the work one of the things that i really don't want to fall flat on trying to do something with the lack of staffing and 5 years later found out oh, we couldn't put a meeting together that is important you look at this before we ask the controller's office to come up with numbers that might be helpful in terms

of what kind of a resources you need to make a successful effort to you come up with the echos of this particular legislation so that's all i wanted to say and really thank you for tobacco this up tonight and if you have any questions i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you supervisor yee i believe that someone from the controller's office with us tonight and i've spoken with him as well about how this type of staffing study could be implemented and funded so i share your approach certainly in that respect but to clarify what you envision us looking at and

basic bringing together experts community voice and certainly the bar association our own stakeholders within the sheriff's department and the police department and some of the other organizations you mentioned the department of justice, cops office which maybe tricky they don't unusually get involved we'll make the ask and looking at 1971 and saying is that as of 2015 the real number that we need to keep san francisco - at police level; is that correct. >> go beyond matching that. >> of course, to get to 1971 as a real number that actually takes as i believe we learned last week 200020036 officers so

to get to the real number we'll have to - we'll - that means an even greater number of officers for on fte it is stated i think i don't know when 1971 was actually proposed. >> what year. >> this was 86. >> okay 86 - 94 so probable was not to look exactly at the issue but thank you for bringing it to us to do and certainly the boards definitely our partners as of the mayor's office i know that commissioner mazzuco shares your view on this matter as well as ask to chair this from the commission stand point and i think that the - i don't

know from the. >> the corral person. >> great. >> so we're glad that the controller's office is on board they'll guide us in finding the spent and the structures and putting it together and discussed the general fund not the department fund i am concerned about staffing however, how - who we would and how we'll staff this particular endeavor but guess the controller's office can help us work through that as well. >> maybe we'll hear from the controllers. >> they've asked not to speak this everybody but if you have something to say please come on up. >> i'm sorry. >> good evening, commissioners

stevenson a center from the controller's office i'm sorry how i dressed but ben rosenfield worked with the police department and the commission on several staffing organizational studies over the years and assisted you before with running on even if rfp if you want to hire a consultant setting the goals for the contract we can help to staff some of the processes ourselves i'm sure ben rosenfield urged you to be realistic about the time and resources required a robust community process is you know probably thousands of hours of work and meetings and we shouldn't get ourselves kid ourselves about those kind of things i'm here to listen if you need that help and listen to yourselves and the board of supervisors and the command staff to go forward. >> i understand as far as an

rfp process we have qualified pools of experts to help us with the this type of endeavor is that correct? a their might be someone in the police department to speak about the police experts currently. >> i mean ben rosenfield told me we qualified pools in which we can run an rfp process and that's true for consultants of different types but not police expertise at the moment we have it and planning consultants and public opinion pool so some that might be he helpful but not specific expertise. >> thank you i'm sorry commissioner supervisor yee some of the questions from the

commissioners. >> commissioner hing. >> thank you, commissioner all oh, commissioner dejesus. >> i'm a glad the controller is here because 0 i've been on the commission a long term and commission boundary had a consultant culpability that did a lot of this took the calls and the ac calls coming into every station, however, one person car and two person cars and the turn around time and did a good job and found out what sedations needed to take more and move some officers over there and instead of - the only down side when necessary presented this information went ahead and drew a line and the community waltz upset they thought it was set in stone we had a consultant with a lot of the information have 10

district stations that were equal and only moved two lines really two areas the southern and tenderloin i think only two areas that were effected and with that information question focused our community meetings about the areas affected by a change so i know we've done this before i wanted to say i think that is a good idea and commissioner mazzuco said this goes back to the san jose someone put it on the ballot and codified in the 4 but no rhyme or reason of the number of 1971 i agree and thank you for your leadership realizing you're counting the number of people so much more with that, i know we've used a consultant and i think the consultant should bring the information to the task force and the task force

can decide what number they want rather than having that decided in advance without - input so thank you for that and i think money we'll have to come up with the money you know to pay for this 0 i don't know maybe that's what you work with the controller with or this department who do that before to gather that information and, see with the inflation and whatever we need to gather. >> my commitment is this is a reasonable amount of board point of view supported so - >> that's my commitment. >> okay. >> commissioner mazzuco. >> supervisor yee thank you for putting this forward i met with the supervisor we discussed this 1971 is number that commissioner president turman told us represents one thousand plus active officers on the

street to get there close to 2200 officers administrative leave and military leave so that doesn't 0 include the national airport that is funding supported for the officers and the concern nobody know where this number came from the 1971 interest was no jurisdiction over treasure island there was no mission bay there was no ball parks neighborhoods throughout the city that increased the residential unit with the there the high-rises downtown area plan bring a large daytime population with the new businesses and high-rises we need to get a handle one of the suggestions i made to supervisor yee supervisor yee and did an analysis and compared us to other studies and found there

that technically our numbers should be a lot higher so we hear from the community one thing i hear every time not enough police officers out there we discussed the beat officers the people on the street that is people feel more comfortable you know the change in the crime levels recently it is for the community wants more policing we need to figure out the right amount so thank you for doing that and getting past the 1971 mistrust urban design number i heard someone talking about at a restaurant. >> it is important regardless it has been a long minded it is good to review and see if you're hypothetical is value and my

hope come to an agreement and then it becomes how do we get interest whatever number and have a much better discussion you know on the budget committee for a couple of years that should be part of the constitution how do we ramp up because for the last foe years is about trying to get to the 1971 in terms of the police academies you mean u as you may know the mayor and the board of supervisors have been supportive of increasing those numbers what we want to do is say well, look we had a good community process you know stakeholder were there and made be agreements and so when we go to the budget process again you know it will be more about the discussions how do we support rather than not

deferring shouldn't do this and that and we have better agreements amongst all of us i think that is the way to go. >> thank you. >> commissioner melara. >> yeah. i'm supportive of this the only thing and i perceive on the programs and policies we're the populated body i like this resolution to be urgent to the police department and the chief of police because he's responsible for the operation of the department and especially because he does that here and being able to denominator what is necessary for his department. >> so that will be my suggestion that you know the preamble of the top should have the chief of police there as well. >> i'll look to see what makes sense i assume that the police

commission is overseeing the police department and he's the lead, of course. >> commissioner marshall. >> so supervisor yee and the commissioners help me with my concern because that is the first - well the first i've seen and read it. >> couple of things my first one is we were scrubbed by the doj for the awards in the department 200 and 672 recommendations to consider what this you know that like the back of our hand where does that fit in the scrubbing of the department for the initiative was something that was recommended to be looked at i want to know that first. >> there is a number in the doj

report. >> there is a call do diversity and krumentd as well as how you recruit and retention. >> does that specifically talk about - about the need to i'm just curious they went through a - did it address this issue. >> it didn't. >> it does not. >> secondly, and help me with the word - believe me i understand the 1971 is not there i heard that number - the other thing the word deployment tell me what that means i believe it means around staffing in the department that's the area of expertise can you help me out and in this context is that is a as your looking at staffing where and how they'll be

deemployed that bothers me. >> this was not meant for the task force to say how to deploy our officers more of looking at what - more of you can't just to me it wouldn't come up with numbers without knowing the word. >> you see my concern i am comfortable about the use of word and the staffing levels i've heard going back to heather was talking about that but the world deployment conveys someone else but not interpreting that as strategies and how people are deemployed i don't feel comfortable i think your point is

well-taken. >> for me ideals the chief i'll ask that word not be in there by looking at the staffing and levels that's why i'm concerned about creating another task force from the commission feels that is possible but we have a heavy load. >> beacon hill i'll look at that word deployment not meant for the task force to tell the police department how to run the police department. >> that's you are interpretation but might not be someone else's interpretation. >> i said i'll look at that. >> regardless of this in the report it is not it is coming from something else we are talking about making policies and procedures policies for the police department and i don't want to on the board

of supervisors continue making up policies without having a good discussion from the task force were not formed what will happen we'll keep on playing politics with that number. >> i don't disagree but not put together a resolution that goes into gray areas the word deployment community-based organizations into that gray area looking at the number for me i'll ask the word be taken out. >> okay deployment because it can mean multiple things. >> i will look at it. >> chief so you have a position. >> i'll agree i think that easily missed and construed and the miss management of personnel the purpose to look at where we are in staffing and where we need to go plus or minus but can

say misconstrued and into the management of the department issues. >> good i'm not sdraur i have to find different words to express but your point is well-taken. >> i'll join sxhaushz 19 commissioner marshalls request as well. >> go commissioner hing. >> yes. thank you president and supervisors thank you for your leadership on this excuse me - the way i read your resolution and why i'm supportive of it is that you're trying to put these decisions in the hands of the body that has the expertise and doing this rather than the political body or the board of supervisors and i appreciate that and appreciate you're honest on that and i'm particularly assured that - i

feel okay with the point if you want to take it out that's fine what - the composition of this body includes a command staff of the police department and so i can't believe this entity would make unwise decisions based on even if deployment was not on the there is a motion on the table i want to commend you in taking this out of political realm thanks. >> i want to make a comment as you may know a lot of transition and started that with chief suhr and he was supportive and continued this discussion with the intern chief chaplin and he was good with that i've had less of an opportunity with chief scott i mentioned it to him not fair to say that was a

discussion like i'm going to do this i hope it's okay. but only my intention that the command staff in particular, the chief will have a role with the commission. >> just to clarify folks, i don't know that commissioner marshall concern is with the bodied or the and the words i think his concern is people outside of process coming after the process with the word and read something more to it than what was meant by the body putting together or what was meant by supervisor yee i think i can't speak for you but that seems to be what i'm hearing; is that correct? >> yes. but the words out there in word and delve into

that the spook to that point i'm a little bit i know you've spoken to the prior chief. >> talked with him about that; right? >> i mentioned it when we had a brief encounter but this has been moving forward and why i'm here listening to like your appointments for the deployment words i'm going to make sure that i'm sensitive to your perspective i'm asking you to do the work not some other body so if the chief chief scott has an issue with this he can let me know here or let me know privately it doesn't matter to me hopefully it is not an issue

basically, i'm not taking out of it from you're hands. >> so - >> i have a recommendation. >> yeah. you know i'd like to formulate a motion we can move forward with this so we can you know move on it but like to think that we will take a vote on the spirit of the resolution and for the chief to work with the supervisor yee on those those actual words or their and can vote you know have either vote on the final resolution or leave it in their hands i think that the concerns that i think commissioner marshall and i have's expressed has to do with with making sure that the power of moving on the implementations

of this plan is both on the commission level out of policy level >> about the operation level through the chief i totally agree with that that's why i've been doing this may or may not last time a number was transferred two years ago chief suhr was not approached with that number and i was one that was very not happy with that that was your that approach i'm trying to basically approach you all of you to be have a voice in this and take my voice out of it as much as possible. >> could i make a motion. >> at this point, i'll take contractual and be back. >> i'm of a different mindset

first like to be through the chief and like i understand on the spirit but wording i want the wording to be cleaned up and accurate as it can when i vote on it i would move to table it myself and bring that back as an item when it is done me personally. >> what's the timing. >> tomorrow we'll hear it in committee. >> i think there's you know that that will go to the committee and the full board. >> we're talking about you, vote on it right here. >> i think we all agree. >> i - stop, stop. >> if you want to speak yeah. >> commissioner hing.

>> that's the commissioner. >> sorry commissioner dejesus can we first. >> add another monitor to the budget. >> all right. i understand this is moving very fast and had it last week and only hear none i mean the process how we go forward in terms of us and the department and that's fine that's something we decide i hear one word deployment move with the adversaryer the spirit and striking out. >> you have the commitment on my part to introduce it. >> we should move forward and the meeting is tomorrow not holed up the process with one word and how we implement is up to us i'll second the motion with the understanding that we take out deployment and supervisor yee will follow

through we support this and he'll move forward as part of the step to go forward address find out how much money to go forward. >> okay. >> let me just clarify - well, back to commissioner. >> go ahead. >> what was your motion you restate your motion petra. >> i made it. >> okay. >> i thought she did as well let's have that in order. >> i said that the - what i said was i will propose to support this resolution in principle without for now without the deployment piece and insure that the chief and spoefz

get together that everything this the resolution goes according to you know the operational policies of the department and that's your motion. >> i made that anyone wish to comment motion do i have a second. >> all right. public comment next year any public comment on this item? hearing public comment is closed. >> all right. i was going to call you supervisor you confused me supervisor yee commissioners a motion to support the spirit of the this resolution that 0 supervisor yee has put forward striking the words deployment and insuring the chief work with supervisor yee office to make sure that all operational needs are met and

that the chief retains those operational functions fair enough. >> okay > all in favor, say i. > opposed? >> i said i. >> okay that item passes unanimously thank you so much. >> thank you very much thank you very much for your patience. >> next thank you so much all right. madam secretary next line item and discussion and possible action to adopt the general order hazardous materials action. >> all right. chief i see that deputy chief ali is approaching the president of the united states who is not acquit the president of the united states thank you. (laughter)

(multiple voices) (laughter) he's everywhere >> your better looking. >> (laughter). >> thank you, commissioner deputy chief ali to present. >> good evening, commissioners or public i'm ali deputy chief for the spell operations bureau with me is officer who is one of our long-standing members and experts in the departments explosive disposal unit with the expertise of hazardous materials forgive me this is an update to the general order this update is driven by science best practices which includes and enhance the consideration for public safety

clear delineations for the responsibility of a multi disciplinary agency response to i understand involving hazardous materials if i can get the first page that is a high-level summary is of the changes in terms of definitions that are in this general order policy and procedures within the definition section an update on languages that resists the best practices and hazardous materials also updated in the policy section that makes it clear the san francisco fire department roll in non-criminal hazardous materials incidents as well as owls of it is a staff with the police department handling those incidents and are responsibly relative to non-criminal conduct

as well lastly in procedures it updates and resist the changes in current law about locally and state agency administrative procedures and safety considerations specifically that also delineates the responsibility for investigation of criminal conduct associated with the hazard i didn't say material incidents with the special investigations distinction as well as fortunately unfortunately, if there was a loss of life in the hazardous materials responsibility of the unit with that said do you have any questions for me. >> it is my understanding this dgo has the revisions have been vetted through other processes

did you hostility on that. >> i'll have the officer speak on that. >> yes. it has i've done a survey with the partners in major municipality city's and other areas. >> he's ours now. >> i know i have a film going through (laughter) but put down on names we're talking about experts in to the field this is bans the nation wide standards standards what is going on nation wide in the united states to get us updated as far as programs and policies go. >> was the reviewed by the department of public accountability and conducted as well. >> yes. that was. >> any other local stakeholders. >> i had extensive talks with

i believe it was the poa optimism had confuses with them we workout and she was concerned with who i do the survey and compatible with the best practices nation wide i assured her it was. >> was that marianne the person. >> yes. that's correct. >> all right. any other questions commissioner president turman. >> i want to take the opportunity officers generally, you don't see him in a suit and approaching obama making the presentation but thank him for his serves or services he's done a lot of defussing explosive

devices risks his life thank you for nothing you put in this i trust. >> this is - he is lighter usually has one hundred pounds. >> thank you chief and deputy chief. >> public comment on this item? hearing none, public comment is closed. >> commissioners before us the department general order 8.07 as revised i'm going to entertain an appropriate motion. >> move second. >> all in favor, say i. >> >> opposed? that item passes unanimously 5 to zero.

>> commissioner secretary next line item the address the commission on matters that are within the commission's jurisdiction and are not on today's agenda. a speakers the public is welcome to address the commission on items not on tonight's agenda the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or departments or occi personnel. department, occi or commissioners are to respond to questions but may provide a brief response. police commission should enter into debates and please limit your comments to 3 minutes, please. >> members of the public in you have public comment good evening. >> good evening commissioners my name is sarah i'm with seiu

10 to one i'm here on behalf of off the employees and the department of police accountability on november 20, 1610, to one with the department of the police accountability the survey was not meant to be public now it is publicly e public is exposed the agencies that should be of concern to the commissioners we urge the commissioners to take the issues highlighted in the debate seriously we reflect long-term of the dedicated and hard working a employees many of the employees 0 would like to be here to express their concerns they fear retaliation they are willing to talk with the commission if they are guaranteed protection if retax we urge the commission to examine the moral and leadership

issues at the pca by an investigation thank you thank you. >> next member of the public please. >> good evening my name is john jones my may comments please the commission those remarks are used to the commission as the staffing requirement of the police department i was at the berkley demonstration on february 1st i got there a little bit late so all the windows were smashed milo left the premises the sprays all spraying was done what i observed was a modest

crowd like in the film matrix and they all did the citizen wall dance a band brass band a believe it or not i wanted to report to you that the police will announced at small site program some point that people had to leave the plazas i estimate i'm bad but about 20000 people and all young students associated with the university in my opinion that was a mistake one that is a crowd that wanted a fight i don't think they realized what a fight with a police officer would be like but wanted a physical connotation and the police were about to

diversify it to them moreno place for the 2000 or 15 hundred people to go that's an example the played on telegraph hill started the playground that was recorded in the press with the vital connotation with the beating up of the driver one car and the closing of the traffic i wanted to tell you i think the officers in charge made a mistake if you have a large crowd you better have a place to go if you order them dispersed in particular case no place for that crowd to go now i know this crowd was described as riotous and the riot occurred before i was there when i got through this was a mellow group of people from police procedures from my

preservation it was a mistake to ask them to leave and touched off the ongoing riot with the formal parade of rioters, if you will, down telegraph hill avenue. >> thank you next member of the public please. jackie san franciscans for police accountability this is an account by the mother of michael broadcaster was brutally attached on february 3wi8 police his aunt flagged down the police explaining that michael was having a mental health crisis and asked them to call an ambulance they said they would will you awhile michael was standing on the quack with the brother and cousins the officers rushed him and began to

detain him michael was unarmed they had him face down on the ground and despite telling them he couldn't breath several officers were you on top of him and beat him up and attempted to assault him with the billy club people were told to get back they beat that him a he was at san francisco general for 4 days before transferred to the jail an bryant the police denied his mother visitations and any information she learned that the incident by chase the san franciscans police other received this account and really flawed in flies in the face of upcoming committee of the whole

meeting where the police department would be accountable to the board of supervisors and in their implementation of the department of justices recommendations cops report recommendations and those recommendations are very clear about those having mental health criticize and the kind of interventions that need to be made this was a very strong recommendations that the police deescalate and use alternatives in dealing with those in mental criticize we see that no process has been made and how can we go in all truth to the board of supervisors next week and tell them that you have been

implementing with all earnest the task forces recommendations when we see that we're still seeing the results of injuries to people who are in criticize of course, we need accountability. >> thank you, ma'am. >> next member of the public please. >> good evening, members of police commission my name is ray hart for san francisco open government. and it's been a while sins i've been here so hello to those who have seen me before on the third page alcohol, tobacco & firearms agenda a section called know your rights under the sunshine ordinance i am the proud person of 3 orders of determination

with 3 departments in violation to provide public records and failing to allow public comment. so i think that my 8 or 9 years of doing this i'll put everyone on notice when i show up i look for two things primarily members of the public are allowed to make unimpede and unrestricted public comment they feel the body their commenting before they need to hear the second is when go members of the public make a public record under the sunshine ordinance arrest the california public records act a lawful requirement of the bodies and the departments to comply point ordinance and as i said, i have 33 orders for whatever reason bodies decide not to interfere with public comment or tell people they're not allowed

to say certain things when the law says only restriction is time and deny them public records i've argued an apprentice to their public comment i can't make intelligent public comment if i can't get the documents necessary to provide the facts in - to support my argument someone is previous speaker mentioned the issue of the homeless and dealing with those with mentally illness it is strange the first police commission meeting i attended in 2008 the same discussion basically, i have always urged that if you fail to train the police officers and how to effectively deal and deescalate cases with the mentally ill are involved you're doing a

disservice to the individual but primarily to the officers themselves if i'm a police officer and given training how to deescalate and position and because of the skill i'm able to avoid users a weapon i'll go home at the end of the night feeling better than if i have to use the weapon who it is needed is not the issue whether or not it is - if i had had another tool and could have voided using it i show have not had to do it. >> thank you in relation member of the public. >> good evening ms. brown. >> hello i'll use the real video i show all the time when i

come. >> it is one thing to anticipate a death because of old age or sickness gunshots. >> it is quite different to experience the death of a loved one this is the most it in the circle that lost their sons. >> as ms. torres son (gunshots). >> she lost her second son that's my son graduating that's my son (gunshots) the other sons dying in san francisco.

>> san francisco has xrermd an unprecedented number of homicides. >> that's the niece son laying in the streets these are all unsolved homicides including my son. >> 60 percent of the homicides

>> (415) 575-4444 if you have any information please help this grieving mother and mothers like her thank you any further public comment. public comment is closed. madam secretary next line item item 6 public comment on all matters closed session including public comment on vote whether

to hold item 8 in closed session. >> ladies and gentlemen, we'll be to go into closed session does anyone from the public have a comment but us going into closed session hearing none, public comment is closed. line item number 7. >> vote open whether to hold item 8 in the administrative code code action. >> i move > all in favor, say i. > opposed? thank you, ladies and gentlemen, of the public we're now going into closed session we will return from closed session - >> we're back in open session. and you still are a quorum and so is not present.

>> all right. so let's continue on so commission item 9 to disclose any or all discussions in the closed session administrative code 67.12 action action and. > all in favor, say i. > opposed? okay. that's unanimous. >> item 10 adjournment action item all in favor, say i. >> opposed? thank you ladies and gentlemen, we are adjourned again.

>> (clapping.) >> good afternoon, everyone welcome to to city hall so i want to thank everyone for being here on this lovely valentine's day and we really have an important message we want to share with everyone and that is that on the valentine's day we want to make sure that everyone feels loved and included here in san francisco and by that we need to make sure we provide housing for everyone that want to live and work here for generations to come.

>> (clapping.) >> so today, we're joined by people my colleague ahsha safai will acknowledge but bring up our mayor of the city that has been working to make sure our housing policies enable future generations to live in san francisco with that, mayor ed lee. >> thank you. >> (clapping.) >> katie and supervisor safai joining on that valentine's day rally for housing yeah. got a lot of love in the house and a lot of the labor leaders they're showing their love they love building they love living in the city, too, we have all the residents who is to us we need more restrictive housing for everyone and so this is a time to make bold announcements with the board of supervisors and the mayor's office get together we do bold things