hello, everyone upcoming to call to order. thanks for your patience my name is bryant tan in the my name is san francisco entertainment commission i'm the president of the commission welcome to the tuesday, march 7, 2017, meeting of san francisco entertainment commission a couple of things before we get started please turn off your cell phones so we don't interrupt the meeting punishment and second if you're a member of the public i see a few speaker cards that have been filled if this is an item on the agenda you're here to speak on please fill one out come on and finally

thank you to the sfgovtv he to media services for airing this meeting live to the public every time we meet go forward and start with roll call >> yes. >> commissioner frost commissioner lee commissioner a ply man and commissioner caminong and sxoms and commissioner perez and president tan. >> here full house i do want to welcome our new he it conspires if replaces commissioner joseph so it is a taking part in and voting on things we vote on so the first item is general public comment pertaining to the business of entertainment commission you don't see on the agenda is there any public comment.

>> yeah. >> and it is not something we'll have later. >> from butter on 11 streets of san francisco want to welcome you and congratulate you on you know you're being here for audrey that cannot be here and qualified to represent to take over the position thank you for being here. >> that's great any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> item 2 approval of the minutes if february 21st commissioners there is no changes or edits happy to entertain a motion. >> i move approval of the minutes a motion is there a second. >> second. >> all right. any public comment on the minutes seeing none, same house, same call? >> same call all right.

the that item passes we'll move on to item 3 the report from the sound inspectors who wants to go first inspector pauley >> batter up good evening, commissioners inspections to talk about on the art gallery received a complaint about the honey hive the complaint was in other words, in regards to people on the sidewalk they smoke in front of the venue. >> is there a report that is printed because we have shawn's - is that somewhere. >> no here it comes. >> thank you honey hive in the sunset. >> yes. >> go ahead. >> so the main thing i was concerned this past weekend were

people on the sidewalk saturday night the weather solved the problem so for that night it is an item we'll be checking out for the next few weeks and eventually i'll make contact with the owner or manager and make sure he understands the exception not an issue recently so this is preback up that's on the cue in the cue for further inspections so while was in the neighborhood i stopped by the rip tide they again know but i wanted to check it out there was issues with the neighbors complaining about noise we performed the sound test that was fine i saw some middle age romance it was cool that sidewalks (laughter) went by a couple of the but the

weather was limiting again in this situation is we'll check it out again i don't expect any issues with the rip tide and this is an issue we dealt with a few times the complainant is complaining about noise coming sweet spot hostile the sro called the gray stone shawn went by a bunch of sound tests in 2015 and went by in 2015 that was a board line issues it cropped up and tried to bring in a manager to try to see 23 we can calibrate the system of the venue and nevertheless, he didn't want to cooperate so he's complaining we are following up and trying to get i am had cooperate to find out who limit we need to set the

current sound test not good enough i'll not know until i get in there and do a you do understand test until then the only tool in my bag is just go and make sure they're coming applying with the permit that's if in the cue as far as goes and another complaint carbon lounge a complaint of loitering and unpermitted entertainment i went by a this weekend and didn't perceive any attempt from the outside but go and double check to make sure they're in inclines sound test with the clubhouse got restrained out this past weekend we worked with the planning and they wanted assistance is the sound test they have a bigger event that

might effect neighbors with the rain again destroyed that from happening so were on the calendar for next month i think and that's when we'll perform the sound test interest and the fillmore another sound test for friday not a proper sound system they'll- have a grant that expires in may we'll not be able to get the sound test done but nevertheless, we're trying and that's it i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> for hawthorne in your report it says it as on march 6 was that when the complaint came in. >> the original most recent came in a few weeks ago we dealt that it on monday that was the day i pulled out of my ahead.

>> in argue it was when it came in. >> so i put the the time in i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> we're good up here per intraushg good evening, commissioners a few complaints i wanted to bring to our attention with 1345 howard i believe your privy to this complaint i reached to the complainant and over the past two weeks with that complaint came in and encouraged them to reach out in r5e789 for future servic services. >> have they made themselves known. >> it is unanimous and reached out asking for a phone call asking for an e-mail or making

sure they're aware how to get ahold of me hoping down the road they'll reach auto and a complaint on grand and 24th street about after hours not a after hours permit i thought that was odd we get complaint at 5 in the morning about their operation i wanted to reassure the complainant in any experienced none that has operated in the past or do that kind of thing and encouraged him to ask him for his assistance and seeing if he could reach out to me as you was disturbed and any other information gleaned into the situation to step out and hear where the sound is coming from and have someone

come in and he determined there was a legal after housing within the grand do not operating after 2 i'll be forwarding on the after hours to the station to see if they can jump on and encouraged them to call emergency and jesse the hamilton in is quiet for quite a while they had a late rush due to the rain past weekend usually their strategy to quits by 10 had a problem getting people in the the past weekend and i had a lengthy conversation reiterating that again, the goal to get everyone in by 10 gave me get the door closed so when the music is going on no noise

across the street they'll double down on that and make sure that the music is lower if they're unable to get folks in i received a complaint both myself and the operator was cc'd on a complaint for a neighbor the complaint did all that the there was disturbance from the club and also honking from cars on 11 street presumably due to blocked traffic lanes of traffic that's all if there are any questions i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> hello brought to your attention this after hours party were you able to determine where the party was the complainant

told me the address the address is on the phone that has accessed operating i hope to get the information this evening if i can't i'll follow-up with the complainant again to determine the address. >> thank you. >> any other comments from commissioners. >> all right. thank you very much any public comment on the inspector reports seeing none, public comment is closed. pontiff to item 4 which is the police department questions or comments i don't see my police here so move on to item 5 hearing and possible action regarding the applications for the applicant under the san francisco entertainment commission we have a few tonight we'll start with the content agenda two live perform permits

that are lunged together. >> i put those on content they received approval within integration the first one is lemon sugar and provided send a.

>> our regular agenda is one place of entertainment quite a few. >> the one agenda application for a change in ownership for a place of entertainment and intended hours and music device fourth the stud which i'm sure all of you guys know about the stud or have attend over the years it's been around since the

60s and been a hub for the lgbt community in san francisco and a legacy business in san francisco they've been operating for thirty years in the previous owner left and so the new ownership is actually a collective of 17 members which is something we've not seen before and in terms of the ownership for night life and in san francisco this is a creative new model and they're really helping keep the legacy business alive to have similar operations they're operating on a temporary permit given by the senator cain hair acting on this to get all the inspections collected cled and letters that protest 40 signatures in support and a few letters of support i think i see someone if supervisor kim's office who may want to speak in

support of this as well what else the southern station approved that with the past conditions that is in your packet the basic conditions they give if you want to hear from one of the members maria davis is here or supervisor kim representative up to you guys. >> whofrn wants to speak, however, have the actual applicant come up that wants to speak. >> okay hi, i'm maria davis i want to tell you guys about the stud and what we're doing and kind of just touching on the things we're doing to make us great maybe so neighbors so the stud bar has had a long-standing

history within the gay community so for gay and gender place a place to escape escape i can themselves it was found by george mason and opened the doors in 1966 as part the miracle mile gay bars and it is severed as a place with queers and artists can come together to let at a later date hair down it moved no hovs street amongst a aids crisis we are that grounded legacy business status without the stud lgbtq scenes and community will lose their home-based in the soma will lose their night life and cultural features so last summer amid the beloved stud was nearly closed

because of one and 50 - a group of artists and industry folks and a mri idea of passionate people came together we have taken over it and working hard to keep it alive as of our ongoing operations we are basically continuing operations before we're keeping the iconic nights that have been with the good bang and steve with sister underscore are with the sisters of adolescence this week we're hosting the 20-year anniversary of the tour of city city a tour red hots has continued on additionally we're fostering new event with queer proportionality like living a queer group and a

dance party for people of color and gender performance and welcoming touring djs and parties and so as far as the security all staff are lead certified and trained in the owl entertainment commission for the night life establishment one staff member will be on security detail and trained in id verification and circulation and emergency protocol several are security guard serviced and diligent with one security guard per one hundred people and talking about the neighborhood outreach we received so many port support and a great relationship on harrison as well as our

neighbors on 9 street the san francisco in we have are a lengthy petition from neighbors showing their support and received letters of enforcement from the south of market business association and the harvey milk democratic club and in touch with the market neighborhood and received support from supervisor jane kim and her staff as we'll find out more soon we plan on enriching the community and mitigating the effects that night life hats on it's neighbors keeping our surrendering clean and rrntd the noise levels and always having an open area for community feedback that's it. >> thank you commissioners questions or comments. >> i want to commend you guys on our creative solution for

maintaining this now the fun part to operate it but we're seeing so many places disappear in a dizzy pace this is a cool story. >> thank you very much thank you. >> commissioner perez and commissioner thomas and thanks for coming in and congratulations also i'm a big fan of the stud i used to go interest many moons ago with the programming so who will be in charge of the booking and the programming of the venue. >> basically, we have an executive board and all the departments have an officer head of that right now mike is the head of the programming committee and he's in charge of all of that and also known as vivian forevermore so someone it

in charge and several people helping him to manage that department. >> and he's responsible for the attempt assess to the take place in the venue. >> right. >> thank you. >> commissioner thomas. >> i wanted to say congratulations on pulling this together and ahsha safai the stud it is exciting to have the community be able to step forward to save this many hours of stud at one point i was there so thank you. >> thank you very much. >> i also want to commend you all on the hard working to do it and supervisor jane kim also stepping in as well you know we need to see more venues like this stay hold in san francisco and you know it is sometimes takes 17 people or if not 17 hundred people to do that so, yeah so thank you thank you for all your hard work and i'm happy to support this one question there is clearly a new

development next door and it came in before we as the commission had a residential process to say hey there is a initiating you may want to think about informing your neighbors have you had or your board has contact and negotiated any sort of like anything with them informing them about you know your yeah. the fact you exist. >> we have yeah. the superintendent for the contracting company i spoken to and he's - need to the person to stay and live in superintendant who is planning on giving us a tour and we'll have a point person and vice versa so i've been directly in

contact with both of them the contact is the first step and we'll see when people more often the hope they'll respect that he and apron that that a be patronize the stud we're here a resource and steps to insure the building the relations we're happy you've invested and coming together to pull through for the community and san francisco >> thank you didn't look like there is any other comments from the commissions let's see if not public comment but supervisor kim. >> hi good evening, commissioners barbara are complaining i'll be brief i don't know need make the case to save stud the commission gets it and patronizing the stud for

decades i want to share that that is been a pleasure working with the collective we've been contrary two the important people and the issues and more importantly i think that they've full control of the leadership for night life in south of market some of the cultural district in our neighborhood have about this because of involvement in stud leadership and being thoughtful and moving forward and open what the needs of night life so we feel confident about the capacity of this collective we also feel happy fortunate that a group of 17 came in together to save this not only for district 6 but for the whole lgbt community thank you for you're support i don't know if it is too late to send a letter i got the okay for the support. >> we'll take that. >> i appreciate it. >> thank you all right. i have one person

that filled out the speaker card and happy to take any other public comment on this. >> good evening i live in south of market a couple of blocks from the stud and happy to hear about the turn of development and fully support the application thank you. >> thank you. >> there anyone else who lee would like to comment on this. >> yeah. i just shared the same sentiment of the people and live in the neighborhood and the stud has been there for many decades we're happy it that will continue to exist thank you. >> thank you. >> any more public comment? all right. i want to give people a chance we'll move on to a motion from

any commissioners wants to make that >> i make a motion we approve the permit as requested with the recommended conditions. >> recommended police conditions. >> great. >> second. >> i second and, of course, add the good neighbor policy. >> that is attached to every permit we issue so great. >> make sure any other. >> (laughter). it's one of the conditions already >> all right. so there's a there is a motion that has been seconded that i assume no other fostered comment same house, same call? >> all right. head nodes same house, same call? means the that item passes so congratulations >> (clapping.) >> see you at the stud all right. we're going to move

on to item number 6 which is the review and possible action to review and change the conditions of the place of entertainment permit you see 1377 and extended hours as health beyond hand it over to the deputy director we're going to because this was requested by the commission to have this hearing we like the actual venue owner to come up and certificate of preference i know neighborhoods have concerns and give a chance for the venue to respond and discuss it i'm going to turn it over to my time up? i'm going to turn it over to deputy director wisconsin land >> thank you president tan we're here to discuss the modifications for the place of

entertainment or extended hours this is based on the complaint we've received and you guys have requested we add this to the hearing this evening so the mraerlgd is here this evening we've not be able to resolve the issue and at at administrative level thus far but discussing this, please note it is not necessarily required for the commission to take action and modifying but is agendized for discussion and possible action and we see fit please make sure to review the items in the packet about this item i've included both of the permit in there as well as the inspector duffy's timeline of enforcement and also included in the packet letters from the neighbors regarding this agenda

item as you can see from inspector burk timeline regarding the sound since the club is in operation we've issued two administrative violations since they granted it and inspector burk has worked to try to mitigate the issues from the public and the managers if have questions about this taken inspector burk will answer the specification about the timeline and give it back to you president tan or invite jan up to speak. >> anyone have questions for inspector burk. >> i'm seeing a number of complaint how many from the internal sound of music and from people from outside or cars honking or other items different things to control. >> i think anytime anytime

there it is the 11 street corridor is a busy place for attempt and attempt contributors a lot of transportation bus line on this street street uber and lyft are previously last night if i had to summarize i'll say that just about anytime we have receiving complaint so for sound complaints for people in and around the venues and the traffic that. >> uments /* /- accommodates is mentioned i think maybe the neighbors who are here might be able to speak to that more a detailed but more often than not any complaint is about patrons. >> i think specifically have a

had a complaint of someone in their home hearing music from inside the mrasht. >> yes, sir. >> so the see administration certification on january 28th and a couple of days late they spoke with the staff can you just let us know what came of that assuming because of the following day an e-mail sent from the neighbors online the strategies what we're like in what agreement were made. >> our goal for the meeting anytime we bring in an paraded to try to understand what the plans are and we feel like the operator can communicate to us or the complainants about

exceptions and to insure that everyone is on the same page i think a lot can get lost in the enrollment process a lot of late unite visits and get everyone in board daytime in an office discussing is important so whenever we get a series of sifthsz that are issued inform an operator if we feel like the right amount of progress is not being made we take that serious to meet with staff after that meeting the e-mail that went out from the operator which i printed that but it did owl some of the next steps i believe a complainant one of

the complainant at the last hearing asked for classifications on that lineups of exceptions i think the operator may be able to speak a little bit in more detail what was contained in the e-mail. >> it is definitely i'd like to know partly when we receive the communications commissioners that receive the direct complaint things are empty promises i'm curious what the promises were soak any oh, commissioner perez. >> hi introoushgs question when we receive a complaint from a neighbor so how soon will that complaint be reflected book to the operator do they know they're receiving k34r5i78g9s from us and you communicate that to them we're receiving a

complaint and what's the response. >> i think that complaint come in from many avenues we get 311 or e-mails after the fact i have a tendency to make my cell phone available to k34r5i7b89 that's the cased here just as an example in the past weekend i received a text complaint from a neighbor with the operator in cc in that particular case they'll know about the complaint as soon as i know that that is not always the case in this particular area 11 and norwalk alley sometimes another nightclubs is on the c p and dribble with me it varies. >> i know that sometimes

resident can call the venue but may not know about something; correct? i was wondering when we know about that go. >> i think that i like to facilitate the exemption between the complainant and the operator in certain circumstances that is help maybe in the city i'm wrapped with other location i think that we as much as and tried to facilitate that type of relationship i'm not sure we quiet got there. >> thank you yep. >> one other question to clarify sounds like when the complaint have come in and gone to do tests it's been under the atv. >> in that particular environment my testing all the

citations i wrote were based on a violation of the entrepreneurial sound limit it is based on off the previous investigations of ambient levels ambient is established for this area and then the internal limit it to assure it the operators didn't go 8 decimals above the ambient none of my citations were written after taking a mutter but the complaugs of internal limit it set based on that. >> so got it. >> in theory there was a violation above that.

>> other questions we can come back if we need more information how the work has done why not bring up jena. >> hello, hello. >> actually excited to be here tonight. >> thank you thank you for your time. >> i'd like to put this as much as shawn literally so first of all, i want to start with there's a few points i know know the reason i'm here the neighbors are seeing the after hours permit between 2 and 4 or 5:00 a.m. given how late i'd like to reiterate my before his business is a principally permit use on 11 it is an entertainment corridor i understand that certain neighbors on norwalk

where there is a mixed use and resident are there i think that everyone here and including tony his roommate and kelly from across the street and others will agree i did my initial outreach and very, very cooperative about checking in hospital the performance or whether or not they're happy with the performance, etc. having said that, i gave my word to the commission which i did in addition to the initial hundred thousand dollars we prescribed to the building from a previous review we had $200,000 in soundproofing in our flaukts is a review one of the sound professionals i employed and

which time went to the apartment tested the levels on all 3 levels of his apartment and on 11 street unfortunately we were not gained access to kelly's apartment but went to another residence and conducted the same test the finding were not recorded we were not getting complaint only from the norwalk alley neighbor to the building so we xuktd that test and actually been throw by their admission 6 times i've documented where soundproofing to the apartment and taking the sound foe at no time did we say tony we're offer the property line is this acceptable to you in your apartment for your

operations that's the benchmark we have done all the work not to be compliant with the code in san francisco for 8 decimals over ambient but is my neighbor happy in the alley i'd like to say that there are 268 residential unit on norwalk street that is the only one we regularly get a complaint and 4 residential unit it is two different situations i'd like to bifurcate norwalk is about sound emitting from the building with first sound engineers and second sound engineering company and engaged businesses to come out and done a report in your packet there shawn was grateful do come out and do the report with us and work with us we've been working to this end and made additional

recommendations to further sound-proof the building to placate and we're more than happy to do this i live with that we're anymore happy to do the work the company is suggesting i've not had to do if you look at it putting a second roof on the business that has been done wear mutt in a new interior it this is done we're not talking about a phenomenal amount of money not like $10,000 but 50 thousand attempting to mitigate those sound issues on norwalk alley the bigger issue with kelly she's complaij about 11 in general, i want to say that everyone agrees i've been a leader on leveling and trying to deal with the issues 11 i've

been there 11 street is reactivated there is audio their business busy and there's holy cow a massive treatment this is not a city block and take into account the market street and buzz works across the street and the display we have a really, really busy block we have uber and buses so i'm not in in any way, shape, or form saying that what kelly is not complaining about it is a problem i'll say i've been the leader in the security team that understands my directives and on that street knocking on uber directives windows and asking them not to honk and others police dealing

with basically, what whenever it dumped on the street at 2 and 4:00 a.m. and quite frankly offering people to come into our venue and if you want to make noise come into our hours we actively do that i think that the big picture i have been responsive and heard people seeing i'm not responsive but i am and respect this is not always the case i said their frustration i hope they understand my frustration and shawn's frustration as my role nut community here in san francisco to be a night life leader we'll have in our kit there is press and reviewed by thirty international press magazines online blogs and how special and unique it is

face it 24 venues are limit this is not an option we are a space reasonable respectable better to be safe than sorry place for people to come after housing that is a labor of love i can make more money running legal hours around the corner which it is very, very frustrating when you're dealing with a situation where people are running illegal businesses selling alcohol from jugs from jugs allowing drugs to be sold you know all this stuff is going on we are running respectable business in san francisco in april a huge international entertainment dance in the magazines and issue of club world we're being featured 6 spreads cover to cover and one of the story lines

how valuable permitted after hours in all over the world to heart in miami to new york and specifically because of the issues that unpermitted illegal venues create in cities all over the world you know my 2 to 6:00 a.m. is there attack we have been trying to the time energy and effort and outlay a blowing out we will be compliant if this is not the case we have every, every intent of getting to the point where the science is behind that we're indeed i'm hiring an - when we were at

various neighbors apartment at 2:00 a.m. he steps to down do we set the sound we do this internally not our goal to upset the neighbors and have them upset our goal to mitigate those issues i also like to say that some of the complaint we received a mentions on the block i've had two-time we've not been opened and complaint they most of complaint from my tech are before 2:00 a.m. not an after hours it is a a.m. issue and during that time i'm not the only person operating lovingly street i'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> sorry for the detranscribe. >> no, it is helpful to know your perspective we have a question i'll start with

commissioner thomas. >> how many nights a week or nights a month have you using the extended hours permit. >> so generally friday and saturday friday we close at the 4:00 a.m. and saturday it is depending on when did denying want to come we don't kick them off they'll play as as long as from 4, 6, 8 afghanistan we go to evening on a sunday. >> only the we understand and that's correct only one sunday night and one wednesday before authorizing we're opened the sunset 234i9 two president and thanksgiving and opened on, on january 1st. >> uh-huh i get it thank you. >> you're welcome. >> commissioner lee. >> so this one hundred and 60

k worth of soundproofing that's been done. >> it is completed. >> when. >> it was begun over the course between the time we started construction and until i believe december 5th so our report i'm reading it hose saying at the one plus and nothing above it on the inside will be not fine and bleed with all the soundproofing leads outside. >> western shocked. >> how do you prevent it from going over one hundred. >> a sound engineering is there all night long. >> what if the $40,000 didn't. >> he has a computer set up and brings down the sound level. >> sometimes, i know that

commissioner thomas when you're in a allowsy space your ears adjust and when you lower it it sounds like that is liquor talking to each other i know that. >> it is a huge issue i told shawn when we run at the one hundred people want to leave it is hard to keep people there people come to hear a world-class dj we have a world-class system and they expect a world-class experience. >> here's the thing nothing wrong with that note to bring other venue you that and dna look the box within the box they can could heir if you want to do it you'll have to spend more because the present situation

everyone on the street has to get link the street is busy an entertainment zone for a reason and people will have to diesel with the traffic in the meantime there are a lot of venues therefore it is unusually different than yours and a need and all the press you're getting is great if you want to be the class type of business you'll have to invest and from the djs want to play whereon and 20 as long as you don't hear it outside my thing what you're saying is great and fine for different what the 09 surrounds are doing on the street we have noises and the inspector has to go to other places in the night we don't want him to go to our

venue and have to take measurement and come up with some kind of a solution so you can operate i know i've been there neighbors called in the middle of the night but it is really nerve racking but we're here to solve the problem and make that better for everyone i know you've done a lot but if you want to be that kind of venue with that kind of treatment. >> completely agree that's why we got to suicidal e sullivan tar. >> have you devised on the option. >> this is something like we have tried to present the timeline to the neighbors and those professionals that we're employing to do these things don't work owe the timeline so i engaged i engaged charles and

andrew and just got the report today my first time looking it and he was on the february 23rd and shawn so as it takes time and working what the issues as best we can during the timeline our timeline is from the top role and people will attested we realized the soundproofing was not working we'll close on, on a saturday and light and air work all week for the soundproofing inside the club so every friday night in a friend's i didn't be cleaning the equipment to reopen it's monopoly been unnotices we're delinquent to continue to improve the club and do thing it got to a point we don't know what else to do now we need to bring in other professional to

come and get established because the reading instead of the same sound guy we noted a third party to do the reading and take a scientific measurement of where we are. >> the question is the djs what sound level they've been doing you, i mean. >> every nightclub my sound person worked for the best nightclubs in the word world and london like that 120 is an acceptable reading. >> if you take a reading at one thirty. >> we've done that we have a comprehensive. >> what your bleeding at the level it is over one and 10 your bleeding outside of the building when you do our soundproofing you do it based on the one and

thirty. >> exactly. >> not reading the one and 10 more than that e no matter you'll bleed. >> when the crowd hears a song yeah. it spikes to you know whatever. >> yeah. but that's okay. >> i mean. >> as a venue you need to an account for that and if you want we want 11 center to the success succeed and folks that worked alongside the operator to make sure the night life it successful we want to work together so when people scream if they're there to apron news your business they're your bringing them to broadway we need to make sure that the right sort of protects are made so

everyone is happy i think that's what we're trying to figure out when you came to us the business was not opened we need to act on good faith and trust that the night life owners and sound you've made half the effort to get there so i'm curious i know that timeline can shift but can you tonight tells you when you think those additional improvements can be completed. >> as i mentioned i've on seen them i have to put them out to bid with the contractors from my point of view i want them done as quickly as possible to make the heart attack go away. >> you have the insurance with the first phase so you know are we talking about 3 months or three weeks. >> let's talk about the phase one again, we went above and

beyond i put a new roof on the building not part of the initial effort that is bans feed blocks in operation for 5 years and regularly done after hours where the skylight on the business and their sound system was not they didn't have the greater thany but operating at the same levels so we thought that given that circumstances the parties they'll be able to do this without the soundproofing and be successful so we put the sunroof on the building and also put in the h book with the piping for the pipes prohibited and so i'll think within a month to six weeks we can have the additional work done i think that is a secondary roof and andrew will be able to speak to that worked with 09

venues who implemented this sort of things. >> okay. we might bring him up but there are other commissioners that have questions. >> commissioner perez. >> thanks for coming in i have one comment jaw i just because all the neighbors are not complaining if we have issues there who their invendors they might not have the opportunity to t speak up but your procedure in addressing the complaint about issues. >> so generally first of all, understood i understand that beforehand but basically what happens he ask what the complaint is and we turn down the sound or again my sound person is here can better speak to this so there are things we do that we don't have to do when we go to their homes we

determine in the motor there of the frequencies that are programmatic we look at those during points during the night and we change the frequencies. >> if someone answers the phone call you change them. >> at one point shawn couldn't get in touch with with only of my manages and we got the communication immediately. >> how many neighbors have the phone calls. >> yes, sir. >> commissioners other questions. >> i kind of want to reiterate what knock it out of the park says i'm a deep sleeper i can sleep through a lot of things but other people in any how's that can't because everybody is not complainl i have an issue with i expect people to behave

legally not expect people to point i'm doing this is as a favor to you as a citizen of this city and citizen the united states i think we hold a responsibility to behave in a civil manner that we treat each and everyone and not you know think of that as something that i'm doing that is special when i'll following the rules of society there is an issue when i anhihear people say that so right now you're using you're a after hours for saturday and sunday morning. >> that's correct. >> are you planning on doing this more days during the week is your long term goal do get out there and do is that days

and week. >> no there is no night life in san francisco that supports that kind of permit 7 days a week and a comment i'm sorry it came across that way i feel like i'm public health because i'm the new kid on the block and three or four venues are operating in the neighborhood so i you know definitely follow my story i understand they had issues i don't mean to point the fingers i think i've been very, very compulsive and have been trying to make amends to make things correct for the neighbors in the neighborhood and i've spoken to other venue owners in the neighborhood as well i think that we are people are frustrated on both sides and i think that i need people to understand i'm happy to be here i've put forth a lot of effort to do what needs to be

done to make that business work in that corridor. >> you have the concern that as recently as february 26th you knowing that you were coming here to come in front of us i would have thought maybe personally i would have been 0 on my best barf that kickoff disturbs me, you had the club get an administration site. >> i didn't know i was hauled in until shawn said he came in that evening and said the citation you have to go before the entertainment commission. >> a couple of other things to refer back to the sullivan terraces represents in the intern a music level monitoring

device in the club do you have that a limit eerie timely you have at the engineering. >> we have a d b motor but putting in a d b motor that hangs from the does that make sense? floor not in the middle of the club off the dance floor that is what richie looks at this and refers back to the sound people. >> when will that be instead of. >> as soon as we can. >> you're on public record. >> we will. >> all right. also often not just a hal on but one of the complaint the lowest frequency do you have the ability to differentiate the sound levels >> can i bring something else

up to speak richie would you like to speak - thank you. >> good evening commissioner my name is rich a sound engineer on 3 occasions we been into the if not, i mention we identified by 3 separate entities of companies filter and contributes contributions we've identified 3 frequencies that travel into properties the frequencies don't exist in the system. >> we cut those out. >> it is scientifically not transformed the frequencies that are causing the problem i think that is able to differentiate the noise from other businesses i'm a professional i can't do it

following not stand outside and this o say that is the audio it is almost impossible to do because of the traffic on that street and the general businesses but frequencies have been taken out of system it is not possible to pick out property with 80 hertz on 3 occasions because people sit in a bedroom identifying what frequency travels again across the street it's been cut it didn't exist within our system i cannot. >> commissioner lee. >> sir how do i determine that is the actual frequency. >> you were in the apartment of the. >> my boss was i was cole the

levels. >> you cut the frequency and those reading were done when. >> on i think the weekend before we opened in november a soft opening and sharon was there and back in december we were running one and 20 blow ambiance and started with peter i think a different ambiance. >> we've been in those apartments buildings on other occasions with the andy with - and myself. >> the thing you know the report from sulter is february 24th that is last month i - they recommendation that was the case. >> that was no attenuation. >> everything is put back in

this is a fresh look again. >> so the thing the office use way to have all inspection working i mean that's to - (multiple voices) but put everything back the way it is and do that that way you have to sound-proof it properly. >> unfortunately, some frequencies have a higher sound level. >> (multiple voices) i get it i get it. >> it guy is well respected as city hall we sometimes go to his recommendation. >> yeah. yeah. yeah. >> i'm saying if you operate you'll cut those frequencies out i don't know how it sound without the frequencies but continue to the soundproofing if you put everything back on it will be worse is that what you're saying. >> no, no, no.

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though you cut those out you got complaints and no before 2:30 in the morning. >> regardless (multiple voices). >> it is a challenging corridor. >> impossible to pinpoint a point. >> for context. >> it is impossible. >> we were here when fed box started we didn't have i think. >> (multiple voices). >> again we've opened. >> we'll take a comment or

question in commissioner thomas and then i wonder if 09 commissioners comments i'd like to open up for public comment and like i said we'll give you a chap to come back and speak. >> i think you're absolutely work or right before 2 afghanistan before the clubs are in operation it is hard to distinguish we're hearing from the place of entertainment part of their issue was 2:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. sound mind and so i'm - i think that 3406d it maybe important to locate in addition affiliation to the ways to mitigate the sound and that timeframe i think and some the letters people understand they're living off 11 street and understand that will there will be noise until 2:00 a.m. on the

weekend but 6:00 a.m. or noun time and so i think that one of the things we'll no idea to get back to what else can be done in the timeframe and the other issues that of raised that ambiance level will be lower at 3:00 a.m. than 10:00 p.m. for example, for four less traffic and people out and about so moving forward what else can be done either obviously the additional soundproofing but additionally with the volume and with the sound engineering will reduce things what other things can you be doing more in addition to murray the ambient sound at 09 time of night. >> absolutely we are fully, fully aware we're our business

we become a business of focus we're aware of that and hard for an external member of the public a may hear something but what level though you hear someokick the c down the road my one job to keep gina happy and the sound happy and keep us within limits and it is the thing of my life for the moment and djs i worked in some - one of the world-class venues in the world and i'm this is my job you know so i'm fully aware of what needs to be done we take those steps sometimes that a detriment of sound and sometimes

we go above and beyond and various frequencies that i know frequent scientifically are not picked up but error on the side of caution i brink down the sound. >> there's never been a complaint from a neighbors that is not address every time we turn down something in the venue there are types of djs and richie will say this is probably what their hearing. >> do you respond to the neighbors. >> at the moment. >> yes. >> like do you write them back. >> we texted on december 3rd we went to e-mail but kelly responded to kelly's text. >> you're not turning it down and hoping it works.

>> i have a meter and it is constantly. >> is it better now call me this week let's talk about that i have the text trails. >> commissioner. >> i really appreciate our responsiveness and your text trails and everything but i this is gotten to the pointed this is coming to the entertainment commission so you know, i want to hear from them i think that you're responsiveness is great your sound technology a great but we need to find something else we want you to stay open and in business and continue doing what you're doing to see what can be done. >> we'll relish more what can

be shown we have a great relationship i i get it where you're coming from we're on the same page we love and hate each other but i like to work with him and do more testing at the moment it been a bit sporadic and we're responding to a complaint and i'd like to be more structured and do more testing and . >> nothing we're adverse or shying away from i'm confident in the test we've done and move forward and skooifks prove. >> your goal to be compliant to the love the law the property line we want to say we're compliant with the property line so this is back and forth to whether we or not we believe that we generally are but we're planning on doing did soundproofing and not have any issues with the neighborhoods or

the entertainment commission that's our end goal. >> great. >> to be compliant and to; right? that's it. >> to your point the fury resources to put our limited resources on limited surrounds is better no news is good news. >> as mentioned the ambient levels change. >> understood. >> and for us to pin everything on one level that has been taken other one time the world is not below-market rate we have football fans and basketball and not in our venue they shout on the street and louder. >> as a commission we stood by people's right to scream in the street (laughter) i think that is not exactly what we're talking about that is part of the problem and i know that commissioner said are we talking about the cars honking people

screaming or basis and other sounds leaking that appears to be the case let's figure out how to fix that i'll innovative. >> one other thing we have technology but we're o the only club in america that has support the most advances on the market the things we can supply information and great. >> on this on the technology we paid for and to have the system and eliminate those problems. >> great prubz thank you very much i'm going to open up for public comment i have actually folks lined up so first we are going to take emry. (calling names) actually, i have several speakers i'll organ this on how

you want to speak can we can see a show of hands of how many people wish to speak. who say is here to speak in support of this company. >> can we get you guys second i'll let the neighbors to come up first i don't care what order go how you will we'll limit to 2 minutes. >> i'm tony i live own norwalk street and a comment and a few items i wanted to address from jena the first one we need action we've within working with the staff with sharon and he's been amazing to work with and trying to figure out the right thing to do and we're another at&t an impasse he's using those codes to abstained but not the right codes and find codes i'm not understanding them he's

trying to figure out if their above ambiance inside the club but not using measurement to measure the sound outside the clubs were at an impasse not about - the other thing when i met with gina at the beginning she was great the one thing she she brought up this building was an old automobile mechanicals shop from my window had i lgbt the back wall of this building we can see missing brick how they've fallen off the wall the sound is coming from the walls we're trying to make a world-class nightclub and bought this place with an x amount of money you will think to do substantial amounts of renovation to contain the sound

of the nightclub the opm that jena sent us with the consultants we asked jena for a timeline no response every time that jena invited me i opened any p my door and every single time i said this too loud and commissioner frost we had a strange situation to innovative someone to our house and on the weekend on weekends you hear sound again. >> that's time i'm sorry we'll have to take up the next person. >> hi commissioners go good to see you i'm kelly a homeowner living across the street your ideal situation we are requesting the limits to be put in mass unfortunately, we have

not had luck without specific limited but request thinking number one, we'll lower noise level above ambiance and 5:00 a.m. that is because of noise during the hours accept e especially with the neighborhood it quiets down and during the late night hours we got no response or she's between the entertainment commission rimentsdz i have text message and that's work we want this limit changes and number 2, staff available after hours no response and none it available to enforce our request number 3, police for the venues like other venues that assist with the traveling and honking noise is an ongoing issues with not club management

willing to deal with that at last time i mentioned about the honking noise the response from gina i'm out front and no one is honoring i took a video immediately showing the honking i can play for you and request 4 additional security for crowds when they loaf and make sure the people out keep down their voices they draw an after hours club the people are a disruption i also have a number of notes that i took awhile gina was speaking about the points i realize i'm out of time now dgo i don't agree with the comments so thank you. >> thank you. >> hi all right. i'd like to echo actually companions comments during the last hearing that the

city ambiance noise level differs if peak added 2:00 a.m. versus when the city is quote at 5:00 a.m. that the challenge for the currently police code don't take into account the sound they differ when residential neighbors are trying to sleep the age bints need to be recalculated during the morning and sound lineal not above ambiance their on enforcing 8 decimals above ambiance that allows the noise to leak into our homes but those - this is all that needs to be reviewed and adjust for those after hours permit next to the residential permit and the other point we're

okay with gina to operate a world-class nightclub but the one thing we're asking is that we need her to be held account as an owner to address the issues after 2:00 a.m. that's all. >> okay. thank you twhalz have emry do you want to come up? >> hello, again commissioners my name is a emry and i live on norwalk behind the company i'm a big fan of san francisco night life a big fan of that company and a fan jean and then in a i believe a straight a student of the nightclub prioritizes i've lived in my place for over 10 years and never heard a peak

of this predecessor missed or oasis for example this company is a different story they're under professionalism like a c minus or c plus so our straight a student need our help to get on track and please consider temporary balanced measures to help my neighbors and me sleep and permit partygoers to dance from dusk to dawn thank you. >> thank you can i ask a question to any of the neighbors to clarify i'm curious how long you've lived in our actual unit and noticed a difference when you were there with the - none what come up. >> we had problems with the b box but the situation was

different the sound was a lot more kickoff mumgd now a high-pitched you can tell what songs the beats are loud a different sound system that is coming through. >> okay. thank you. >> we want to know how long you can choice not to answer that. >> i've been living there two years. >> two years great. >> okay i know there is a behalf of people interested in speaking in support of hal on i have a couple of speaker cards you want to kick it off new. >> president tan and distinguished commissioners from 11 street a big fan of gina a a qualified

operator she is evolving about impress everyone i'm an advocate of 11 street general and concerned any sort of mitigating measures is absent after a slippery slopecy considering entertainment is a right of use for the zoning over 11 street and as people are saying the neighbors unfortunately, that we have w o is non-permitted use for residential people that live on 11 street are not for the the residential rights for painfully quote and enjoyment as people that live in a mixed use general so to consider the standing the complaint registered by people in non-permitted dwelling units is equality to a complaint

living on in a motorist home on the street you, you know take into consideration as moving forward with any sort of restrictions based on what the 0 needs is coming from that's what i have to say or is about that thank you. >> i have berry as the only other people but people can come up ever him. >> bryant tan. >> dpa lounge first of all, commissioner congratulations for the commission good do so you here one point i'd like to speak to specifically the extend hours premises as an operator an 11 street with an extended hours permit without an hour restrictions i can tell you that the 17 years we've been doing it

i can absolutely see that if we're addressing street noise as a component of the complaint that street noise will be reduced if people are allowed to tribal out of your busy as opposed to to pushed out at a certain time if i close at the 3:00 a.m. at 2 add and 50 people in my building i have 200 and 50 people getting poes but maybe on the street and calling uber and lyft and going to bus stops every lyft with 200 people out if i let people trickle out they'll see their lyft and move on without hopg so the extended hours comedy that and keep in mind restricting people's hours in a world-class city might not

be fantastic thank you for your time. >> any other public comment. >> good evening commissioner i'm andrew with the sulter i was going to ask for the two minute limit i wanted to talk about a why not have you come back after public comment if you would like gina and our team. >> can i go through 8 points. >> let's do that after. >> okay. thank you. >> public comment. >> is there - great. >> hi i want to say with. >> can you say our name. >> the manager i wanted to introduce myself to the neighbors. >> can you speak into the microphone. >> i know you want to say

something. >> i want to get up and introduce myself to the neighbors i've not had interacts and off the camera to give my number to them and if thwart not able to get ahold of gina allow myself myself to be a point person every night and within you know we open up this; right? in the night life industry in san francisco and need the cooperation of other business owners and the cooperation of neighbors to do so and that when we did did soundproofing and everyone else we had $1,000 dollars didn't go to the financial barker and ask for more money we're not trying to make that work we want to be compliant and do whatever it takes and make the neighbors happy to succeed so that's i'm

another advocate if you need someone. >> great, thank you. >> any other public comment of none not affiliated with this company. >> come back up. >> for andrew either or yeah. >> actually we'll do andrew talk about the plan. >> from the associates i got involved four or five weeks ago to help gina what the problem and we met with shawn on site to establish what our current operating needs limit that be it was great one and 10 d b c was not appropriate to meet the properties so based on that noise limit we

went about trying to figure out how do we maintain it noise limit and what do we do to improve the situation we rather run up one and 16 with no concern about one and thirty we don't want bleeding out of areas so one and 16 or 17 the most we'll ask it is acquittal a considerable increase one, two 10 to one 17 that's not a problem we recommended a voice limiter within the club to monitor it has lights that come and gets close to the limit a red light comes on that is one way to make sure they don't steady the limit and came up with a series of improvement to address what the problem with the club is. >> can i ask a question about

the limiter the red light that dponz how frequently is that installed. >> how quickly it can be shifted. >> i do see one a week is if possible. >> yes. have it here in a couple of days that is as simple but can be effective way of monitoring rather than having someone from the check do you think that's about right you can see it from whatever in the club a red light comes in. >> can you take the timer off the main problem with the club it has a weight light roof nothing coming from the walls and measures to the front and back walls and unfortunately, the revolver that went on it was a

recommendations from someone wouldn't be my recommendation for improving it didn't have the frequency installation qualities the district of columbia level is driven by the frequency noise and we'll hear that from the roof on norwalk and so our plan to take essentially increase the installation with the low frequency noise is no the problem with the noise already isn't oobd for for 16 b b low frequency hopefully means that we can increase our operating noise levels by d b.c. plus or minus two with the probably

lower so we're looking at the ambiance plus three or four times a night and that come down to the contractor i think with the ability and take 3 months will not be unremarkable especially a contractor can start but i wanted to go back to the earlier point were there was a request that the music criterion be reduced to ambient and that's again as on the previous speaker said a slippery slope to go down i start my career in london they introduced a needs limit about

1999 that pretty much killed off the work for many, many years i'm not sure is recovered from that, please don't dord doun that road we're taking this 0 seriously my company takes it seriously i suppose i had a delay in the report and it was 2k4r5i8d by three or four days so gina has not have an opportunity to look at it they're available solutions. >> so similarly i've been asking about the timing and time how long to install the revolver. >> the engineering is in the difficult it is just you know

that is applying to get materials or permits get the materials to cite. >> but are we talking about a year or. >> yeah. >> week. >> it is if we had had external option the best option probably a month worth of work so how quickly. >> so right assuming all the permit are in place. >> exactly not complicate is a roof job with some center special - yeah. not complicate for the permitting. >> oobd. >> gina a question how far out is your calendar in terms of events happening in the extended

hours. >> ♪ industry september to may, june, july worked out >> so every weekend from now to september like event and not other we understand the calendar fills in with friday night and sooner than later. >> do you know which weekend and nitsdz are booked and how many are not boxed. >> are you limiting my weekend being open. >> this is something i'm curious how it will impact you. >> it will say devastating i need to be in business and operating to make money and for the record the types of additional work we're talking about doing. >> so. >> the question is how many nights are you not booked for the next 5 months.

>> march is boxed and may probably 3 days available and union probable 5 days they're not booked and july will be probably. >> you're talking about fridays and saturday. >> monday and tuesday and wednesday. >> we have a sound healing thing on thursday night. >> friday and saturday night are the nights we operated. >> the night life after 2:00 a.m. >> uh-huh you. >> i wanted to address a few things that tony said we did talk about that being a warehouse building i think that what is lost is that we did do soundproofing on the building we built the waltz and rebuilt the front wall of the building and enclosed the ceiling and put a new roof i think at this

injunction i want to make and people are willing to do we improve the apartment that will eliminate the complaint to andrew draw to willingly as the holy i didn't cow and the compliment from the oasis it is not just myself having an issue here so i would like to prop to improve 101 i didn't see building if we improve 101 i didn't see building will be less expensive blow what i've done. >> that's not our call between you, you guys we want to make sure that everybody is not disturbed you can run our business. >> i kind of the point earlier folks that may not be. >> i mean, you opened a big can of worms.

>> (laughter.) i'm saying we're willing to do whatever it takes. >> (laughter). yeah >> i don't think the question for me your acting relatively i don't mean that in a way your heart is in the right place and feel like you've put in hard working to open up at 2:00 a.m. and clearly unhappy neighbors at 11 places in town and on the neighbors side put them on the scale their unhappy and so something has to be down clearly you've said over and over it sounds like you want a world-class nightclub and don't have world-class soundproofing arrangement so to me not i'm just speaking for mitchel not that out of been derelict or

delinquent or the question if you'll go through the soundproofing measures i'm suggesting how do - with our getting into it what do we do between now and then and how do you feel about 2:00 a.m. and 67 a.m. slipping. >> not within our operating plan. >> yeah. but as an intern measure i'm not suggesting that but a creative way to between now and when the soundproofing is put in but myth the issues to clearly they're not - they're going not 0 go away i've seen that myself. >> it is something i didn't want to bring up but this is not just my venue that as complaints against and andy debris has.

>> with all due respect we're not talking about that i'm the industry rep i think there is a need for the record for you know what you guys are offering and i agree with everything that everything said about 2 and 6 omi with a world-class city we need to be aware of that i understand that i personally want the venues to fix this problem now. >> we intend to operate within the limits and we operated at limit and to operate at the limit. >> that's the problem you violated that issue. >> great there would not be a administration citation sounds like you want to contend that are you in limit there is an appeal we do on paper you have

not been and we have 4 neighbors here and you know in a situation we're trying to figure out a solution i think that commissioner thomas if anyone else we can do i'm hearing you want to do things as as quickly as possible and something within a week that can help to signal when you're adding the tools we love to hear i'm still a little bit unclear when the major construction will happen here's what will happen i recommend we have a temporary additional conditions on our late night permit until you complete the soundproofing we'll not lifting that in our interest to ask to meet and say hey i want to do

this as fast as possible so we don't have to go over the condition but that is the resolution we have to have we try to work with the processes we have with citations and we're at the off at that point we have to act as a commission that's kind of where we are at and commissioner thank you for that hey you're not a bad actor with our doing the best and trying to do better so we can't take anywhere public comment i know i want to right hand but do you have any last words nothing you want to offer for us to consider. >> i think with that if we're operating one one 10 we're not

violating the noise we're not and i think that was i also think that was give room and over i think 5 or 6 we offend one 10 was that what that was we're not violating the needs code we h should be able to operate at that sound level if we want to operate louder we'll ask for that in the soundproofing its not established in sullivan terraces report we can operate at that level. >> announce i and go with the work that is one and 10 operating limit. >> so would you accept one more violation that you not have extended house at all until the sound-proof. >> that's a big one. >> but you're saying that to us. >> want to trust you you'll stay at one and 10 b b but i

know the dj your between a rock and a hard place and you know some people might say i'll take a chance are you willing take that chance. >> mentioned we are grading. >> sounds like not as clear when things were over the level. >> we have a system in place we're going above and beyond. >> you need to. >> a commercial level of that nature wah-wah-wah above. >> you have to make that work basically. >> i can't limit. >> that's why you're there to monitor no way we're not there to tell you how to run our equipment bottom line not over the d c or go to the one and 20

fix the building. >> you have to get important that. >> there is screaming on the streets into our club you're having a world-class death of the jury trial because you're doing that note because they happen to be there. >> in terms of level of that we have crowd regimes didn't have an affect on the level pretty much you can scream as loud as you want to doesn't matter but that's what we're trying to address. >> the screaming inside effects that inside of the building but not affect the exterior the reading is it is what it is and it is affected by crowd needs and ambiance; right? >> all right. we don't have

the customers complaints so let's i think we've heard enough for now thank you very much. >> thank you commissioner, i think there are several sort of actions we can take a no action so i don't know how happy everyone will be with that. >> i'm i'd like to make a comment to the neighborhoods those conditions are against the law you'll have to take to a higher level to get that changed we can't do anything about the outdoor noise where the traffic and things like that that lowers the b b there is nothing we can do to address those situations the internal stuff beamed that honking the horn i love observing but hate uber they

double park and do their honking at us or we're honking at them it is unfortunately part of san francisco whether the marina or 11 street everyone where so unfortunately, it is you know 11 street was an attempt zone been there for years and years and years and it is unfortunate that xhondz are moving to an area but you need to know that as as legal body we can't touch what is given to us i want to make that statement. >> thank you i know also the you know part of the problem is about 11 street i think we do want to say hey there be be likely more and more happening for future late night permit that will be at the

commission we'll have to discuss part of the control about security i think that we trust that all the operators are helping to move the crowd and asking people that be quiet. >> thank you for giving us the cover shoot presentation we'll be quiet for the neighbors i don't know shawna quick question about security with you how is the flow and how is specifically are they moving people long or clustering there is there a rush to get out there at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. >> i don't think that any operator on 11 street a neglect of their duties to keep the sidewalks clear i think the crowd that garter on 11 street will oh, my god for larmd they do a good job of keeping that

clear i personally went out on 11 street and dedicated my time to be a traffic officer to see how difficult to keep the cars moving and make sure the cars were you in the blocked that was not hard to convince people to move along but every person that moved one waiting 11 street as issues i've seen other entertainment strips addressed by outside security companies independent of operator but i've seen other operators hire someone to address issues like patrons on the sidewalk and traffic and go things like out sourcing some of the responsibility for the good neighbor policy to another

entity. >> i asked maggie to look at helping with the workforce developed to develop a community district or something akin to that we've seen like street wide corridor issues on wraud apolk street to think about how to ban together only one portion of what we're talking to visit there is a new operator saying we want to do that as well but specifically to this company i don't know, there is like i said a couple rots we can take i don't believe we can or should suspend in particular permit at this time we have to see - sort of building there is goth until we

see there isn't we don't have clarity when the improvements will be made so. >> make some kind of profit or new report in 6 months on the process. >> great. >> and everything runs basically the same but, but the incarcerating go in of months o to come back with a report. >> we can discuss 6 months i saw commissioner frost agrees but we have to think about what we do in the intern period i. >> i want to hold them 6 months their here as a last resort but steps in having

regime follow through and what they're going to do our instructors they shouldn't be here this should have be and

. >> so you can't take that and can't point and say other people are doing stuff over there we have to be responsible and twenty-four hours i've read they've done amazing things to make that awesome when you walk in there is it the best thick that ever happened you need to keep that inside so the people outside don't be affected so the

money they powered into making that as good as it is it sound like they did a great job but hired the wrong person and did the wrong stuff on the roof and need to go back and fix that to continue to operate at a level there are like you were saying their experts want to be up there and have the whole thing going so this is amazing. >> bear in mind your building a club it is either you're building a ferry or a honda hondas do need as much soundproofing but with a bigger engine you need to sound-proof it you need in san francisco we're lacking twenty-four hours spaces at the 6 in the morning the problem with the clubs they

by themselves didn't have this right in the middle of people so i think that you know whether it is 3 or 6 months you have to put more money to keep the format it is your choice but for what you want to do you cannot effect your neighbors and that's just to be a responsible own and operate. >> i agree with steve richie he agree very much with you but i think that necessity is a shorter timeline i'm an operator i know if i have 6 months maybe not on things immediately and all of a sudden 3 months the only mission street factor there are things outside of their control i've been a landlord and sometimes things not your fault

a way to mitigate for that and to act i'm okay with the shorter timeline as long as. >> when i talk 3 months didn't need to be done but 3 months we come in front of us and look at the work and, yes they got the plans and everything and the city says wait a minute i get it it shows up that they know how serious we are and their moving forward and condition it so if it were done sooner than it it if they get it done in a month we can lift the conditions once you're satisfied. >> so the question one question of time we're talking about 3 or whatnot and the other question what are we are doing with the kickoff conditions we're adding there are