>> the allocation, to -- excuse me. sorry. >> we have revised our allocation to i am trying to look it up here. >> 4 million. yeah. >> 675 dollars. >> yes. we have two parts, one part will be for four and a half million dollars to do the engineering for the common elements, and in the dtx and that is common to

all alternatives being under consideration. mean s the work on the second street and the work in the box itself and the pedestrian connector. >> so that allocation, pertains to the work along this elements that are common, and under consideration. >> and are we in agreement between miss gege and the cta staff and tjpa staff that the second street that, i mean, my understanding is that if we did the alternative of a third street line, that given the depth of the station at 120 feet, that it would have to, it would be far below the alignment that you are looking at coming from townsend street and so i want to make sure that everything on the second street alignment is actually, on the same plain. >> in the study we will take all of these items in consideration. >> so when we are looking at t we will be looking at what we

have and what the latest from the rib study has for it and for the pennsylvania avenue. >> so there is a great difference that needs to be made. >> yes, and he is chomping at the bit to give his presentation. so mark what i am going to do is i am going to sit you down for a minute. and we are going to hear from eric, and we will come back to you. and we will go through the nice powerpoint. >> >> commissioner peskin you are asking the hundreds of million of dollars question. you are asking the experts and to take a look and answer that question, in my opinion, it is a bit premature to say right now thanks there is no, and it is going to be underground it is something that has to happen, we have more due till against to do and that is part of, ". >> do you want to go through your powerpoint. >> yes, do i. >> in five minutes, a number of

us have to depart to a press conference with the mayor, i was hoping that wrap this up before eleven, so let's see if we can plow through it. doesn't seem. >> let's plow through it right now. >> our request is in three parts. engineering, tunnel options studding that you are indicating which is right on the money to make sure that we go ahead and take a look at that. and finally the enhanced oversight. and so the request in front of you, for the 4.5, is the reduced scope of work like mark said and we are focusing on the elements common and we are going to go to the engineering to 30 percent. and for the new elements that are modified in the supply mental eir and the intent is to meet and complete by december, 2017, so that we are working in unison with the city planning department and with tjpa in that regard to make sure that we are all on the same schedule. we have special conditions from an oversight protocol that we have talked about before that we

have started implementing with the tjpa. that is a picture there, and just so everyone is clear, the area that is in shaded kind of in rose color is the common alignment portion that we want to focus on there. >> second, the tunnel option study it is important that we look at the issue, and we are going to focus on three areas, the west side of the terminal where the throat structure and the trains come in and fan out from three to six tracks and also looking at townsend and is it says here from 4th to second and really frts 7th all the way to second street and, finally looking at ventation, issue and in the corner of third and also if i correctly, second and har soin, our intent is once the notice is issued to complete this work, within three months, and basically share that information with the world. with the city familiacitily fam

critical. and it will inform, the evaluation of the alternatives and rab. so i think that this is very good timing in that regard. the request for 915,000 dollars, and then finally the appropriation for the transportation authority, our intent is to go ahead and use our on call list that was approved last month, bring in the specific telling experts and, review the cost with also, some construction contract type of entities and, make sure that from a right-of-way acquisition standpoint is that we look at the impacts there and up date the cost estimate and that is part of the tjpa work and we want to bring in the independent experts to the table from the on set here in that regard. and not be in a mode where we are reacting but part of the development of the solution, par participating workshops and etc. and, provide recommendation and the request there is for an additional 200,000 dollars. >> thank you why don't we open

this up to public comment. >> i have a number of speaker cards. >> brown, jim, bob, ana lern and, james haze and peter f you will like up to your right and my left. thank you. >> you have six minutes and sit down to below two, correct? >> that is correct. my apologies. >> no worries and i thandz have you a press conference. i am going to keep it brief, i like cal train and my recommendation is like the tdts we need to rethink this thing and, cancel both contracts and, focus on the procurement and that will carry the passenger level. i think that have you read my letter from march on the dtx, goit nothing polite to say about the base line you cannot do it

for being under freet way, because you want for go back and, you have to bae tok to the daily if you want to do that. >> and then you get the issues and the station location and, then the solution to your questions, supervisor about townsend is to locate the station on the 7th, between 16th and townsend, that will not impact anybody, because you just got the freeway tracks there right now. >> and then, i am going to wrap a very briefly i am strongly opposed. on the assignment about the central subway and the contract, 7 million dollars, i am strongly opposed to any further studies, and you should look on page 123, of your packet. you will find that the design is 200 million. and that is from has to stop and thank you very much >> thank you, for your e-mails.

>> next speaker, please? >> hi, i'm jim, and patrick and company in sn, in reference to cal train it seems to me that we should be rethinking this project a little bit. how about a hybrid engine that is electrical and diesel? and they can be used once the tunnel is built and, they can be in the line and it solves a lot of problems, that does not seem to be an equation, as near as i can see. this is a critical path, in the third and townsend, 10,000 people a day come in there and we have had our planning department build all of these high-rise buildings downtown but we have not connected the transportation system. and since i was a kid and let me tell you, let the record reflect that was a long time ago. we talk about bart to the airport thanks is natural thanks is like falling off a log, but

we can't get the train to downtown where the action is. i just don't understand it, i don't think that this say 100 year decision, if have you heard of the stuff that musk is doing, things are going to charngs a 100 year decision, i can't buy that, on sounds good but not true. i heard the planning decision and there was a value that went, by me quickly. i find that discouraging and very poor city policy to design something where we can get the land and make the most of it later. and therefore, you are always going to go where the best land sources are. and we want the best solution for the product at hand and then the things will fallout where they may. and to go to the other way, and i know that we had a great land acquisition, relative to the transbay thanks was because the freeway was in place, and it went down in front of fertry building and that created all of those things, to go out and plan

a project to take the maximum land value, that is just bad policy. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. patrick, next speaker please. >> and i have one more speaker card from ben summers. >> go ahead, sir. >> good morning, chair peskin. vice chair and, commissioners my name is bruce and, i am the chair of the tjfrment pa cac and a member of the rib study and high speed rail, citizen's working groups of board member and transportation rep for the south beach, mission bay neighborhood association, my comments are as an individual and public transportation advocate. i am in full support of the 5.4 million dollar prop k funds requested today by the tjpa and the cta. as you heard the work includes funding for the design elements of the dtx will be use inned any of athlete alignments considered in the reb study and for the review of the alignment to minimize the cut and cover and, minimizing in the cut and cover,

is critical, and as this construction method will bring the neighborhood, including muni to a stand still w this said, we are all concerned about what we heard on the uncertainty created by washington, delaying or eliminating the 647 million of federal funding identified for cal train electricfiation, and in addition we are concerned with the operating deficit for running the transit center and based on this, we might say what is the sense of urgency to authorize the funding now, should we wait and, these are real concerns, however and, i know that i am preaching to the choir as a region and i state, our economic engine and jobs and quality of life are pending on the structure. and we need to find a way to get it built and without it we will experience grid lock, have confidence in the elected leaders. in agencies responsible for the bay area fund and we will figure a way to get this done. and find the funding for the

extension. in the meantime, we need a 30 percent design in the study completed as soon as possible. as the stake holders, include thanksgiving commission, so they have the necessary information to make the decision on the dtx alignments. >> once the decision is made we, will have cleared on the next steps and path forward. >> thank you. >> next speaker, mr. haws. >> i'm jim hawand i am delighted to be here because for the first time i am not here to complain. what you have before you is an acknowledgment that that the existing tjpa, plan, for the dtx is out loaded, and the planning department as you have heard has been working on making something plan which will be workable in the future.

i am here to support the new budget, and that has been proposed. and i particularly like the 200,000 of us being set aside by your staff, to over see and to coordinate things, because as you are well aware, this is a very complicated project that involves a variety of agencies, some not everyone is on the same page and not everyone gets along with each other. and so it is very important that we, sort of get this together. and this is a major step forward in the goal is to have within a year a plan for bringing the train downtown which everyone can buy into. now having said that, we are all aware of the funding problem. analyst vz suggested that although, the president may be populous and most of the congress and the good deal of the people in the administration, are hard right people who are involved with the heritage foundation, and the reason the foundation who are

opposed to the transit across the board. well that is a per poster yus notion because it effects all towns and cities and that will ee vain shally go atwlashgs is no reason why we should not continue to work on our plan to have it done so that we can work within what comes forward. thank you. >> good morning, my name is bob and i am the chair of save, muni. we fully support cal train and we courage the continued growth and we hope that it grows by double, and triple and quad dru ple, electricfiation seems to have the plan that has the most support at the current time. we urge cal train to look at just in the unlikely circumstance to look at the

locomotives as a mean of getting cal train downtown to the transbay center. that said, i want to express support for the prop k allegation, for the transbay authority to continue the engineering stud yz, i think that this is important to not let this lag, and to continue with these common elements as been described by mark and others. finally the stud y this is the biggest that is purpose traitd on san francisco in a long time. only, supported because you have gotten over a million and a half dollars, of the log rolling from mtc and i am sure that the good citizens of freemont, and santa rosa, who have unwhitingly contributed to this pathetic

study i am sure that you do not have much to explain about it when a connected sabal puts forth their plans for some toll roads out in the suburbs, finally, i compare this reb study to the year, 1520, when the king of spain, commissioned a study to discover what was the world was actually flat and compared to the alternative and it is about as meaningful. >> thank you. >> next speaker please? >> good morning, board members. adena leven and i am a member of the community working group on the rab and representing friends of cal train which is a non-profit with 6,000 participants from here in san francisco, to san jose and beyond, as well as the friends of dtx.

and here to support the fund and move this forward. i am glad to hear in the presentation, regarding cal train with the effort to work on plan a to get this project fund and moving forward as the most shovel ready project in the country. as well as looking into the planned b glad to want to select a preferred alternative and converge the plans by the end of the year to move forward. even though the weather is chilly in dc as know that it is a good idea to have td plans in hand when funding frees up, so please, do move forward, one of the things that i am spired by here in california, is hearing leaders i urge you to move

forward. >> next speak frer district three. >> hi, how are you? >> i am here representing four or five people, because they are in meeting and, all of another wonderful things that keep the economy humming. >> so i want to read a quote from a couple of e-mails that we have been exchanging from the san francisco residents. she says that i feel strongly about this as anyone who rides, cal train, and isn't going to a giant's game. in is an opportunity for all of you to have a big impact on individuals lives. and those of us who need to get to work on a daily basis would tremendously appreciate it and it is something that we are

watching. so, thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. strauss? i am here to support the allocation of the 4.5 million dollars plus to keep this project moving forward and, the downtown extension and is the highest rail capitol priority after the central subway, and i am encouraged that we are not only pursuing as we must, plan a, as it has been called, but also, our investigating a plan b and plan c because of this is

essential that we keep this project moving for ward. we are invested in the sales force tower and the rail terminal, and underneath it already. and the projects supported by this 5.4, million dollars, are consistent with all of those and i urge you to keep us moving forward, aggressively, on these elements and on this over all project. thank you. >> i want to say that i strongly support this allegation, i think that the tjpa staff could use more than this, but this is a good start. a word about grab. i used to run stud yz like this when i was at p engineering and i can tell you that if i had been 36 months into a study, with no numbers, they would have fired me, and they would have been right. it is disgraceful that we don't have anything to look at, other than planning concept after all

of this time, on sektd street, i am glad that hear that the rab staff has it straight and, there was a time not too long ago when they were saying that they were going to tunnel everything, and the tgpa was doing a cut and cover. and now it is necessary to cut and cover, the north end because of the track way widen to 165 feet. and you cannot tunnel a thing that is 70 feet underground and 165 feet wide and so that is why the north end is cut and cover. and then you have all tunnel and this is second street, and all tunnel until you get right down close to the existing station. and that is, there is the tunnel has to come up very close. to grade, only about 25 or 30 feet below grade. you can't tunnel 25 or 30 feet over or under grade. a little bit on this allocation and, this as you have heard,

some of that could wait until high speed rail is closer, the tunnel plug at the south end was accommodation to the ideas of the rab study, that is 100 million dollars that could be cut out and replaced with a knock out panel. thank you. >> thank you. are there any other members of the public here on items 12 through 12? seeing none, public comment is closed. any comments from members, seeing none, mr. clerk, could you please have a roll call on item 14. >> information item.

oh, you are correct. and with that would you move to item 15, please. >> item 15, is introduction of new items. >> and together with commissioner fewer, i am introducing the resolution urging the state legislature to amend the california vehicle and public utilities codes to enable the local california jurisdictions to access trip data and to permit and conduct, the tnz. as warranted to insure, the safety and access and manage congestion, thank you commissioner fewer. and is there any general public comment? >> thank you, again. and very briefly, it is a follow up to a comment that you made earlier on, about the tac, getting involved in the discussion. i want to bring to your attention that item number 14, is on two more evenings, and

constant. and calendar and it is unacceptable and, there has to be a full presentation from the tjpa to the cac, explaining what we are doing for the robust discussion to inform you when this comes back to you for approval tushgs very much. >> i concur, mr. yep? >> (inaudible) ability of the

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