>> good afternoon, everyone moblgd welcome to the wednesday, april 26, 2017, this is the regular meeting of the the rules committee i'm commissioner safai the chair to my right is commissioner fewer and our clerk that derrick evans and thank you sdpovd for staffing this meeting marry >> yes. members of the audience that the commission does not tolerate disruptions of any kind. eating and drinking is not prohibited in the greener please silence any devices that may sound off during the proceedings. items acted upon today will appear on the may 2, 2017 board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> thank you mr. clerk, call item no. commission. >> term, to the bay conservation and development commission. >> following the pole of

supervisors supervisor peskin has been asked to be appointed by mr. coaker any initial comments supervisor peskin recovered to the clerk of the board survey on march first stating healed to serve on the commission do either of you have questions or statements as to the folks to make about that seeing none, let's hear from public comment any public comment on this item? >> good afternoon david pilpal i'm in support of supervisor peskin i think he'll do an excellent job representing the city an bcdc got lots of experience i happened to be in conversation request the clerk about the manner in which these kinds of appointments of board members to both sides are handed

and suggested it should list as information and bottom one seat one applicant line supervisor peskin in the way that public appointments are made because a member of the public wouldn't know unless we want to the packet that supervisor peskin just read a hearing took place jefferson this will provide more information but on substance fully supportive that have this appointment. >> thank you would anyone else from the public like to comment speakers have 2 minutes speak your name and if you have documents for the clerk please leave them for us. >> is there any additional public comment? >> like to make a note supervisor yee a member of the house so the house has changed

commission comments and questions. >> i'd like to continue the conversation that the gentleman brought of normally i noticed that normally the name is there the supervisor at this time was omitted. >> might have been an oversight. >> mr. chair since this is a the member of the board of supervisors this is done different i'll start putting the names of supervisors on the poll. >> thank you any other comments seeing none, can i entertain a motion to recommend to the with a positive recommendation for sxhooerpz. >> yes. absolutely. >> i make a motion to move supervisor aaron peskin on the bay conservation & development commission to the full board. >> mr. clerk, call item

number. >> item no. 2 - motion approving/rejecting the mayor's nomination for the appointment of art torres to the municipal transportation agency board of directors, for a term ending march 1, >> the municipal transportation agency board of directors, for a term ending march 1, 2021. >> great, thank you mr. clerk unless initial comments from the committee let's hear from art torres mr. torres come forward mraul yes, thank you. >> yes. mr. chair a members a pleasure to be here and honored by this appointment by the mayor i have been in brooefls the last two weeks to get a sense of where this agency a moving and spoken to at least two of you earlier this week as to the issues maybe important to you and your districts as a former legislature i'm incentive nest to the community input that is important as we moved that that agency be

sensitive and also a deep commitment from me to vision zero the impact on it in the city of san francisco i first moved here to san francisco in 1996 when i became chairman the democratic party and have lived in the beautiful city i'm not return to los angeles any time soon (laughter) i'm open to any questions. >> colleagues any questions forces senator torres. >> yes. hello senator not had a chance to meet and had a conversation so did questions will be probably answered from my colleagues so i see this is for the mta the municipal transportation agency and i see your resume didn't

have any background in transit at all perhaps i'm reading the resume wrong i reviewed it and see a strong knowledge of transit especially in san francisco so can you elaborate on to your experiences. >> my apologies wisconsin you were not available to meet a former must be the transportation committee not in my resume i worked with the state and caltrans and clearly as a legislature representing los angeles with a combination of the regular calendar so had consistent relationships certainly not in san francisco other than a rider and others utilization of the system a keen

awareness of what is going on around me rind no transit you get a sense and that fresh approach is better than a transit official i understand your sensitivity. >> what do you think is one the biggest issues of our is facing our public transportation system in san francisco. >> there are many the switch back is i've indicated i'm concerned about the whole issue dealing with the taxi driver and the impact of other legit and vision zero that is very close in fact, i think that supervisor yee was one of the opponents of that was very good to see that action was going to be taken ♪ direction in my opinion had it reviewed much of the data i have already it is clear a lot of the

issues could have been prevented by more education and continuing education of operators of vehicles yes, ma'am those that operate during the evening where month the eltsd have occurred and look at carefully where we deal with the environmental review and how the exception about work for various communities as well and the other is the intensity and the density of the people 200 and 75 thousand parking spaces in san francisco that may or may not be enough there is argument on both sides but the issue we'll have to buy more buses and more light rail vessels and the agency proposing to do this will have an impact in terms of alleviating much of the traffic we drive regularly around the

city >> so the biggest mta project we have is the rtc it is controversial from the beginning many of my constituents are for it and the problem is the transportation has not plan to connect my district with 80 thousand people to san francisco how did table this what are are some of the ideas to context public transportation for the use of public transportation connecting my district to mission bay and beyond on the southeast side of city. >> i'll sit down with w you to get the information i'm not an expert but having drooeven around the richmond district many, many times and spent a lot of time i understand the needs but don't know the solution i believe the formula is talking

to people and listening i think that is going took key and the proposal you might have i'm sensitive to because they come from the community if kind of constituent is important to making public policy decisions and can you comment on the mta budget and i noticed revenue generating can you talk about that the budget and some of the changes i'll make in the budget or you'll recommend to the budget. >> that is prefuture mature to answer i've looked at the budget and seen the revenue sources and looked at how the budget is provided but no time to actually revenue where improvements can be made or additions and subtractions but again, the people that represent this communities are not the members of the board it is you the supervisors and that's why i go back to that as a board member i have to

listen as i did when i was a member of the imp listen to the issues from the community voices sometimes they feel neglected and not heard that has to chance. >> and what do you think about the relationship between the mta and the transportation authority. >> and can you comment on any the projects their currently working on collaborating anticipate if you'll strengthen that relationship or a need for that relationship to be alternated. >> again that is premature to answer i need time to look at the issues and i plan on taking that time i don't come lightly to making decisions and talk with people and then take and glean from that what kind of decisions should be made and thanks thank you.

>> further comments supervisor yee. >> thank you there's been thanks for the answers that from the questions of supervisor fewer i think the they were excellent questions one of the intention that we've been some of us have been interested in and in fact, a study to look at tunneling more of the system underground i know that for mitch the m line on the west side has been some thorough discussions where a potential or going underneath in fact, the circle all the way out and beyond to park merced they're

taking it seriously and eventually we'll have to look at funding that's one and i suggest that even studying the issue of whether the k line out of the west portal tunnel can be also put underneath out to the bart station balboa so whites your attitude about muni having more lines underground like they do in new york and other plays plaza is. >> it is important given the density that is out there and how you move people on a projected and timely fashion sometimes going underground maybe the answer we grappled with that in la i was negotiating with the people who consolidate the mta this was concern it took awhile for the wilshire line because the gas

and earthquake issues sfraul first of all, you need an eir that looks at the issues the number one, priority has to be the movement of people waiting 20 or thirty minutes for a bus is not appropriate when you look at those issues we've talked about that because i used to spend weekend and in west portal in uc that community was very sensitive to transportation issues very sensitive i think you had a lot of professionals that utilized that west portal line to come into downtown san francisco, california be enhanced by looking at more opportuni opportunity. >> i probably wouldn't ask other candidates since you're well round where do you think we can find do billions of dollars to

do this. >> well, i know that supervisor president london breed is concerned about the bonds how we implement appropriately those bonds any other hat is vice chair of the california stem governing are board we operated with the sale of go bond that fund the $3 million of research for cureable disease it is difficult when you look at those those bond revenues will be coming from in the future we laboratory 2018 for bonds for parks or other dams and infrastructure as well as for housing that ballot of 2018 will be horrendous when it comes to statewide issues people say that's a good idea but is have a debt service your luke the ways to finance that's

modern an appropriate way to go as long as you balance versus the needs that is out there front of the policymakers. >> thank you great we'll pause for a moment senator torres and open up for public comment any members of the public that wants to come up to speak you - a reminder two minutes. >> david pilpal i have a long history with mta since it's creation going way back i want to comment on a few thing and reenforces your question and senator torres we have a nominee who go demonstrates independence from the mayor from you really do the right thing by our transportation need certainly broadly but choose independent

and listens to diverse voices and issues where there are strong opponent supporter easy opponents this is important to listen to the voices for a look at people be looked what the mta did don't feel heard by the mta or the board it is important that change and the third thing that the next person serving need to take the time both to hear what staff is recommending and talk with people again from different sides are p having worked with senator torres he is qualified to do all those things and my exceptions and hope that the shared exceptions and certainly having worked with him when he served on the puc that is actually use

to be part of puc that involved a lot of complicated issues and city infrastructure so the mta really is not much different in terms of infrastructure and complications i think his service on the puc is well to serve on the mta board i'm optimistic and hope those comments are heard i look forward to coming to the mta meetings on those issues. >> thank you is there any public comment seeing none. >> before we entertain a motion i just want to say i had the opportunity to meet with senator torres i felt refreshing supervisor fewer will appreciate that having a background and experience from underserved community in san francisco los

angeles and his career gain in boil heights and east la and sharing a feeling as though constituent is not served by the governing agencies or the representative in city government that divide our indict in the excelsior and outer mission in terms of vision zero and schematic safety and public safety and general serve we talked about switch backs i'm not sure those are happening in the richmond by happening in other parts of the city where emergency room is served a major concern it is happening in our district supervisor yee i appreciate that experience and think your experience senator coming to the table and bringing back and the understanding of that perspective and being open

to listening to the voices of parts of the city have not felt they've been heard that is a valuable asset i appreciate and thank you for accepting the opportunity to serve on the mta colleagues any other future comments or someone make agree motion. >> sure before i make a motion i want to say that one of the things that strikes me in regards to senator torress expertise is not so much about transit but expertise how you build the community it is something that i feel could be strengthening within the department and having someone that willing to be a role model and in communities general plan amendments is an important factor for me to when i consider someone rather than if they know

how to do tables over and over how to fix a cable car so i'd like to recommend or make a motion to approve the mayor's nominations for the appointment of art torres to the mta. >> with a positive recommendation. >> thank you chief suhr wanted to make one more comment. >> yes. this is the first time i've had a conversation with the senator that is premature to feel comfortable with a with a positive recommendation before that goes before the full board i hope we talk about more so i request a roll call vote. >> okay. >> roll call vote on a with a positive recommendation for the full board of the appointment of senator art torres to the municipal transportation agency broshgsdz

roll call. on the statement. >> supervisor fewer. >> can you repeat. >> this is on a motion to. >> send it to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> >> no supervisor fewer 0 no supervisor yee supervisor safai we have two i's would think outside the box no with supervisor fewer in decedent. >> thank you mr. clerk, call item no. 3 - item no. 3 - item no. 3 - item no. 3 - toument toument the police commission, for a term ending april 30, 2020. >> >> mr. hirsh is here i'm honored to be mayor's honoree i'm a lawyer lived in the

district for 38 years and haight for 38 years we've raised and family my wife and i in the city and worked as an attorney initially as a labor lawyer representing unions around northern california and went out and a the firm person we were the largest manager in the city and used the money to create jobs by investing in the real estate and mostly in california but throughout the united states 11 years ago i became a mediator our and an arbitrator when i went out on my own and since that time been a mediator our for the federal court and alameda county and have a

private practice i mediate case and done a lot of work in san francisco 2012 i mediated the contract with the building trade and 2013 i negotiated and mediated the drug testing program for the trades and 2014 the contract between global one between san francisco that was a monumental one and 20 agencies there were one hundred plus people in the room that went on for 2 1/2 months and stilt over arrest transmission since then my work as a mediator our and arbitrator includes work with law enforcement i spent a lot of time working with homeland security on labor issues and worked with sheriff's department and police departments meeting of the and arrest concentrating discuss the

if necessary it is clear after doing the work i have a tremendous respect for the did the police officers don't have jobs like the rest of us we spend our lives trying to avoid conflict and violence and those folks take an oath to do the exact opposite their job is not that i have tremendous respect for the people that have to do that in the work itself by the same token outreaching i've seen what people see on television a clear abuse of force by police officers and police departments all across the country it is not my view of roaming police officers that is system ethic the way we've involved policing across the united

states i do respect san francisco by reaching out to the department of justice and essentially do a top to bottom review of the police department they did that last year and came out with a comprehensive reporting over 200 pages i've read it twice as an appendix over 200 pages and there are just remarkable recommendations being made i applaud the current commission and the new chief in theirs desire to implement those changes and that's what is happening right now i think i have the right background i didn't want to be one of the people that sits added home and cures at my television the combine of all 3 are the most important i think something i think about and i felt about two years ago i needed to get involved i have

the right skills i want to go on to the commission i'll do myself as an independent commissioner, i building in convention and collaborative work but think more myself and want to know what the different community in san francisco think i'll meet with different communities and want to know with the poa knows and meet with their rank and file there are other employee organization within the police department i want to meet with them and know has much as a i request to make intelligent decisions about the policing i have to say something about the federal government and the administration the trump administration is an o negation i applaud san francisco and sacking and the other cities and counties for staunt up to the fact we are a sanctuary city

that your police force is not intended to be used as immigration agencies agent they have a service to perform for the people of san francisco and protect and they're not to be federal listed i'll hope to be part of a commission that doing everything we can to make sure that the federal government didn't federal listed or nationalize our police department there are big issues i talked with a couple of 3 current commissioners in the past week know the big issues about stun guns and have issues about implementing should find recommendations made and the department of justice and i like to play a part in that the last thing i want to say i found out monday that i needed to ask people to come and speak on my on behalf of i sent a friendly

e-mail toubt to my friends many are here not only did that he show up but put on nice clothing i've attended board meetings and watched most or settings of meeting that took place this year and familiar what is said and what the chief issues on federal issues i watched so i open up for questions. >> thank you, mr. hirsh colleagues questions for that will be hirsh. >> thank you. i have a few questions one of them in regards to staffing of the police department as you may know - well, a number we're trying to reach we've been trying to reach for over a decade and we're i'm

hopeful that we'll reach that number in terms of the academy training and sfoeshthd and so part of then is what then? type of question do we go beyond that number or what should we do that's a question i've thrown out through i'd like to know your views on what the role of the police commission should be in determining staffing. >> number one, we're an independent body the commission is an independent cbo body if i'm on the commission i'm an independent member but for staffing i'll not more expertise an staffing than the chief or than the department or the captains of the stations i mean, i'll dispute they rely on what

recommendations are made i think the magic number is 1971 to have 19 hundred and 71 officers on the street we need 22 hundred employed i don't know what it takes to get there i don't have a feeling whether 1971 is right or should be higher in a chief says to the commission in question need 2000 outline people on the streets see here's why i want to listen and current argument i want to hear those two but hoping 9 money will be there to hire those folks i don't have a better answer i don't know enough to know what the staffing level should be. >> for our information. >> right. >> there's legislation that has been passed to look at future staffing numbers; right? and

the police commission was asked and willing to create a task force made up of a variety of stakeholders including range and file for a community process that is important it doesn't come from the police department that i need so many because then no vetting so that's the process i'm hoping if you're a commissioner you can understand that better and support it. >> i absolutely support my group that involves community input the community policing is critical and i just don't know right now whether the city is - i know you proposed and talked about that personally i know you proposed the legislation. >> it passed. >> right. >> i don't know know right now where the city it in implementing and funding.

>> at the board of supervisors more recently, we had debates and discussions around whether we wanted to support too this funding from the federal government as for the bay area and part of that funding is a project a program or training that alamed or contra-costa alameda. >> they're part of the funding that will fund this training in which the fire department or emergency workers what attend called urban shoe much the criticism of that program is that the training teaches

militarization of personnel including who goes there so many of us on the board of supervisors were not happy with that and we're actually finding ways where we could separate ourselves from that type of training in the future so i don't know, you know you much about this but what would be your attitude before is this. >> i don't know i'm not a fan of the militarization of the police department i i don't think that police department should look like occupying resources i don't know what strings will be attached to the training and money i'll have to know more if you're concerned about that and the board of supervisors is concerned about it i'll be concerned about it i don't know where i come out on the final question but as a city i want to know.

>> the other legislation that has been passed this something i authored to look at i had that discussion with you did neighborhood crime units in regards to - there was a discussion last year around what it should look like whether or not we should be involved as policymakers or leave the police department to its own sort of thinking in this and the legislation that i'm reintroduced because it failed actually didn't fail it passed the board of supervisors by a vote of 7 to 3. >> and it was immediately voted by the mayor and then his legislation or something he supported went to the people and failed so right now, we're really don't have a policy

around this and so i've been working with trying to work with the police department and commissioners to talk about what it should look like what is your thoughts on that. >> can i ask you first what is your concern about the neighborhood policing. >> i think my reaction was the legislation proposition that went forward was pushing for centralized unit taking away that percentage of the police force should be part of centralized unit and triggered at the number of 1971 and again as long as you trigger and get up to that number you'll take away 16 police officers from the police station for the centralized unit so to me someone that cares about my community and taking away

officers from our neighborhood is a no no. >> right. >> but then it wasn't i reacted i asked a bunch of people including chief suhr what is the best way to handle that that is the major concern. >> i know that the commission goes around and meets with all the different departments - all the stations and all the districts i want to do that whether i do it as part of formalized meeting one it meeting a month around the city stations or i do it on my own i want to know for example, from you and the community members in europe districts what are their issued and happening there what problems do you have and take that back to the commission and the best i can tell you i've considered any issues that comes

up i can't see ignoring a complaint raised we a number of the board of supervisors i hear you when it comes to staffing that's an issue i suspect that's an issue in all district i live in the haight all i see the issues in the parks and neighborhood see south africa staffing is critical and i appreciate that and one probably not a question i just hadal community meeting with district 7 with the chp and several of the the captains that was i wanted to i want to put that out there i felt so again that actually a police commissioner showed up for the meeting also i've never seen a commissioner another any of the meetings with the police captains. >> i'll take that to heart. >> any other questions before

we go to public comment. >> supervisor fewer. >> no actually thank you, mr. hirsh for spending time with me to ask you questions about policing in san francisco and i appreciate your time thank you. >> okay. great so thank you, mr. hirsh open up for public comment. >> okay. thank you. >> any of the members of the public that wants to come up and testify on item 3 please come forward. >> just a reminder state your name and speak into the myself first speaker or please. wasn't my plan to be the first speaker my name is richard

butler a media professional of the roughly spent 40 years in the bay area working as a contemporary man and directed a number of projects at the k t d v including one of the senior documentary on the fillmore i feel connected to san francisco even though i'm not a resident i know bob hirsh personally i met him through our daughters that were that frien friends i found to be a wonderful human being but no more the purposes really been - i know him as someone that looks at any situation from a balance don't get a sense of strong opinion nation out of bob

a wonderful sense of humor someone that is keen to defuse tension i've not seen one big civic issue but in the family context and how he's able to with great ease and grace help people come together i'm proud to be able to speak on his behalf and proud of the city of san francisco to nominate him to the police commission thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> thank you my name is steve i've known bob for almost 50 years went to high school together in new york we participated in a program that now i'm on a board it is a youth leadership summer program that yeah young people from different

background and learn democratic ways to create a world that works for all of us encampment for citizenship been around for seven years and bob and i have been on the board for the executive committee of the organization he provides the most thoughtful, caring and comprehensive solutions to problems that are very difficult to run a nonprofit these days bob is passionate and stepping forward to say i can help to figure out and throughout his life and the service he's done and how he spoke today, the city will be hourjd to have bob that cares about hope and cares about the city of san francisco in a way that i think we all need so i'll strongly recommend and thank you all have bob as part

of police commission thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, my name is david i've been a resident of san francisco for 44 years and i've been an attorney for 40 years mostly in the public sector and includes law enforcement agencies and i've known bob since our daughters were on the same soccer team when is over 20 years ago and i also know him professionally i'm an mediator our and arbitrator i want to talk about the tools that bob brings to a position like

sitting on the commission he first of all, is smart, he gets to the issue quickly and understands issues very easily secondly, he's likeable i mean by that as you can see a lot of people are jumping in to help him out in terms of professional use of that he gets his colleagues to collaborate and to be coordinate that is an important attribute for sitting on the commission he's fair, he's tough, but compassionate i think you can tell from his speaking earlier today he's sensitive to all positions that are presented from all sides and he's assessable to those that are phil oversee positions and finally has a great sense of humor is funny

that is an important tool he has the ability to light even the task as hand and people can see it tasks at a better perspective i enthusiastically endorse bobs nominees for the police commission. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, members my name is preston a native san franciscan known bob over two decades and known bob hirsh as be fair and just individual but also professionally and each of those venues he's always been fair and speaking with equality as the two gentlemen statistics his compassion for getting to the root of an issue and finding

the common ground and trying to find the issue that serves both parties or the party involved he seems to have a speciality in that note to belabor the point i'm not other about that is a the same thing because of his sense of humor and instead of - he's looking for collaboration in all situations experienced as a mediator and an arrest for rbe able - i believe he'll be excellent for san francisco. >> next speaker >> good afternoon. i'm frank

lee worked with consulting firms and manage an insurance practice in oakland i'm here on behalf of my green good friend he's thoughtful and indeed has a great sense of humor bob. >> i have to be back by 4 o'clock as you can see those are valuable ingredients i lived in san francisco from 2005 and met him my two daughters and his daughters was inseparable navigated 0 bob and his wife are god parents to my son god knows we need improvement from the relationships between our police departments and the people that count on them everyday i

couldn't be a cop it as thankless task you have someone to say willing to take on a less dangerous but challenging responsibility that of being a commissioner no doubt in my mind that bobs contributions will be appreciated by all the constituencies who depended on the guides and oversight and support the san franciscans expect from their commissioners, thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm bill and my professional capacity i head up the equal opportunity commission and have sued a lot of companies in state and local government's but in my personal capacity as someone that was born and raised in and grew up in the fillmore and the haight

and lived in the lower haight for the last 24 years been a resident of district 7 known bob since we met in law school in 1976 he's compassionate and concerned about civil rights and notably bob and i a couple of friends tried to understand civil rights history and traveled to alabama spent a few days there and did the path of the voting march and made it to montgomery, alabama and got to tour the home of martin luther king bob was rooted in civil rights brings this to the police commission and more importantly as someone who was represented unions but now a mediator and arbitrator tried to work would be parties to reach solutions in order to do that you have to be

a very good listener bob does and the parties listen to each other and as ashanti arbitrator listens to the disconnections those are the types of qualities we need the longest resident of the city i've seen the pollination and bob is that kind of person that makes the bridge and make our commission be able to work with all the various communities that find the needs of a solution i wholeheartedly like everyone else recognizes bob is a good person and compassionate thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. good afternoon. my name is karen i'm a native san franciscan and was raised in the western edition and live in the

haight ashbury a retired principal of the san francisco unified school district i have known bob for over 20 years i've known him professionally and personally and i think i want to speak to the personal bob that i have seen when we get together and have discussions about politics i'm amazed at how compassionate he is about the community in san francisco especially people of color i also one thing i remember foufgd when bob and his friend went to the civil rights gathering i was jealousy i wanted to go when i found out what he did i realized how really, really deep bob beverly hills the civil rights movement and community in san francisco so as everyone has said i think he's a perfect candidates for the 0 police commission and want to again endorse his nomination for the police commission thank

you. >> thank you. next speaker. good afternoon. my name is sharon will i'm also a native san franciscan and still live in san francisco aim known bob over 20 years a social work worked for the city over 26 years and seen bob in professional roles and seen him as a lawyer i've seen him as an arbitrator as a mediator but the one thing bob does he sees the each side of the what people are bringing to the table but bob is an independent and speaks his truth which i think that important when it comes to the police commission the other thing i think is very important in the climate of san francisco is that you have

commissioners that have emotional intelligent and that serves well when you're working with other communities particularly people of color when there are problems around police departments across the country so that bob can come to the be table and bring his expertise to everyone feels a fair and just outcome i strongly recommend bob to the commission thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon. my name is bill i'm a third generation native san franciscan and i'm here to support the nomination of bob hirsh to the police commission i serve professionally as a contract administrator for the northern california carpenter union master agreement 46 county the northern california and in the last 10 years i've served with bob on

our arrebitration - he treats people with compassionate and you've got a good person and highly recommend him for the police commission thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> thank you my name is jay i'm not a native san franciscan i've moved her 40 years ago and lived in district 4 for the last 20 question live a few mr. cook's away from each other i don't know him from the neighborhood but now job i worked with the u carpenters local 22 and bob is the arresting translator we use when we have differences with our

folks bob hears complex disputes between workers and lawyers and listens carefully asked thoughtful questions and rules with judgment the skill set bob brings will be an asset in exactly what the police commission in san francisco needs i urge you to move forward with bobs appointment thank you very much. >> thank you, next speaker. >> good afternoon. i'm dan i'm a resident of district 1 living on clement street and with the local 22 and like my colleagues before me i want to support bob for the police commission and just say i'm confident will bring the honest and thoughtfulness and integrity thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon members of the board i'm timothy a native

san franciscan former district 7 resident and current district one resident i'm here this average to urge you to support bob for the nominees for the police commission i met bob at an arrest transmission i was impressed with the fact that bob left hand and took in both sides of the facility issues and you know he's really trying to get to know the issue before small business activities. discussion item. >> a positive person to put on the commission thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> good afternoon, supervisors my name is alex i work with a number of gentlemen who spoke i'm here also to support mr. bob hershey haven't permanent worked with him but saw him in action in a seminar and a couple of

things that have been repeated throughout the testimony the compassion and the way to use wise judgment and i want to second that i know when you, your better late than never a police commission you guys are really basically like two budgets of things you want to - have questions about policy and ask those that's not why i'm here specifically i have not interrogated him but look at questions of terminate time and

not just - engaging with the policing in general one of the things we've heard consistently the civil rights the commitment to justice and just the thoughtfulness in reaching the decisions so as you weigh all those things please throw that in under please consider temperament and from the colleagues that have seen him in action thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors my name is peter i'm a representative for the northern california carpenters regional council represent over 35 thousand journeymen and apprenticeships in northern california and important that 35 member of carpenters local 22 here in the city and county of san francisco before you today for the

position as a member of the police commission you have mayor ed lee nominee hirsh everyone calls him bob i call him robert he's a neutral arbitrator from the carpenters local 22 master labors agreement since 2000 he - his decisions with well-thought-out and shown compassionate for grievance and witnesses that appear before him there is not a man and woman working as a union carpenter or apprentices that has not been affected by a ruling robert hirsh has handed down as an arrest take care he's well replaced private and public corporations have sought his counsel the city and county of san francisco will be well-served having him as a

commissioner and the carpenters local 22 urges you to forward his name on the board of supervisors as a member of the commission. >> thank you any other members of the public that wants to comment on this item seeing none, public comment is closed. seeing additional comments by colleagues seeing none, oh. >> supervisor fewer. >> so i met with mr. hershey agree with everything everyone said i think it is a wonderful person he is likeable and he's kind and i think thoughtful and i think he is probably an excellent arbitrator and perhaps in my husband was a police officer for 35 years and rehired

in 2012, the san francisco police officers and my uncle what the first chinese police officer to be hired by san francisco i come from a long line of police officers i know what it is like and i'm a fourth-generation san franciscan and i like many san franciscans i think i've seen things our san francisco police department actually in san francisco should lead the nation and because we have a legacy of leading civil rights and protecting civil rights and also, however, for this job i think that takes a deep knowledge of policing in the 21st century very, very deep knowledge of what is happening specifically in go san francisco with the police department you

need to know the external and the internal politics that happen within at the plod and i know surrounded in order to penetrate internally has happening in the police department it needs someone that has many of the qualities that mr. hirsh has and the willingness to listen to others it takes a strong belief that we can have the best public safety in the united states and we should your citizens of san francisco actually deserve that i'm unconfront at this point to pass this on with a with a positive recommendation to the board i suggest we forward this to the full board with no recommendation i make a motion to forward mr. hirsh as nomination to the san francisco

police commission not full board with no recommendation. >> supervisor yee did you want to say something. >> yes. >> supervisor yee and first of all, thank you to the public for coming out and supporting mr. hirsh and pointing out some of his fine characteristics of caring for people listening and compassion about community of color i want to thank mr. hirsh for being persist in wanting to an on this commission there are a couple of things that - and this is more procedural rather than the person themselves one of the things i'm a little bit concerned about it in terms of timing of all of this and how quickly we have to make

decisions i think he was nominee last week and a lot of times let me back up i potentially will be less concerned if this commission were at as important as it is there is only a few commissions in san francisco where it escalates to this level such a high-level in terms of its roll in the city when - at that level one of the things i like to do is give the time for that people to react i don't feel like even though our friends came and testified this is a positive thing i also try to wait for reactions and since there is actually generally the procedures that that quickly

that people don't hear about it and you're being at a committee hearing in fact, i think you were appointed or nominated april 18th have 60 days to get that 0 approved that is one week out so that's one thing and i think it is important for me to reach out also to the community that i serve to the community that i hear from and i want to give that process a chance to unfold before i make such an important decision the other factor that - that will cause me to make a motion different hannah motion is that we already know this will be another position for the police commission to be considered and that's been talked about for much longer than this particular one i don't know when that will

be scheduled by certainly like to recommend that we continue this item until that item - so we can hear them both together to make a better decision well the only problem supervisors it they'll be some quorum issues at the police commission that's one of the reasons we forwarded this to seat that person so that was the issue of why this was put on calendar. >> there's one empty seat. >> yeah. and two. >> for how many months. >> as soon as i receive the nominations he move on them particularly if they're important i received this nominee and scheduled to immediately know what the quorum issues will be i will not want to continue this item but make sure the commission has the appropriate members to continue to meet since they meet on a weekly basis i know you know

that every wednesday meeting and extensive in terms of hours and commitment that's why we scheduled it quickly. >> actually, i'm in favor of supervisor yee's recommendation i think that is important to look at this body as a whole as i'm sure mr. hirsh will agree we'll be working at a point with a variety of folks and it is a balance of this board that is important so i can rescind my motion to full board without a recommendation and in favor of continuing this as supervisor yee suggested. >> i appreciate. >> go ahead supervisor yee. >> i appreciate about the quorum but i've been to commission meetings and there was no quorum issue i'm not sure if there is another issue we're talking about. >> yeah. one of the other seats

will expire in the next few days they'll have a quorum issue. >> i thought the seat expires may 4. >> no april 30th yeah. >> so they'll definitely not have a committee meeting next week. >> they would miss one committee meeting. >> they'll miss a commission meeting a. >> i think this appointment and the appointment of the supervisor that is coming up there so important i say this also to the people listening today that the police commission is a very different type of commission because of the importance that plays in the everyday lives of the san franciscans and have so many conversation about policing in san francisco i think that is i don't like also for the commission to miss a meeting but in this case it is so important that we appoint the full - a full board to work together if

we do this no foundation with the supervisors appointments that actually, i'm in favor of that i think it is such an important appointment and i think it deserves extra thoughts and warranty us to do a defied and defied i was putting forward a motion to bring this to those full board without a positive recommendation is because i feel that i need to hear from my colleagues but willing to actually postpone my motion to entertain listening also to other candidates for the supervisors actually appointment i see the attorney standing up. >> before can we have mr. paul henderson under the mayor's office speak. >> i was going to exudate some

of the facility issues before you no meeting today a lot of the work is being i don't want to say held up but staking up in terms of the police commission is dealing with the i'm even though representative to going to the meetings and it will be a big deal to miss and meeting due to a lack of quorum there's a lot of issues right now specifically i'm sure you guys follow them by that in addition to the ongoing and important issues and the city that we deal with as they relate to the justice reforms ongoing with the department of justice blue ribbon panel and the civil grand jury and the issues that the police commission has to deal with which very specific timelines in terms of when cases can be brought forward are all

discipline cases that is a real concern i want to highlight for your consideration as you elevate what the impact will be on even one missed meeting so if this is not quorum if those discipline cases whenever in the pipeline can't be met by a deadline it has a severe exclamation for san francisco i wanted to share that. >> thank you commissioner supervisor fewer. >> yes. so mr. henson why want a meeting today you said wednesday. >> they have regularlyly scheduled breaks over the year if it is not every third wednesday they have dark to do administrative things and handle the subcommittees within the commission for people working on different things and budget

everyone gets assigned discipline cases throughout the panel their responsible for and they get this wednesday to do a lot of that work so that the following wednesday when their macro presentations from their committee and the decisions are closed session that is why. >> so mr. henderson it is possible to expend the appointment of supervisors i know that appointments until in lui - until for another week until we can have a full commission and i don't think so i'll have to ask the city attorney you where is mr. gibner. >> are we able to ask the city attorney. >> in my understanding no carry over but get clarification from mr. gibner. >> having experience with a

lot of those and the seats have expired in the past i've not seen that done i don't know if it is possible my understanding when the appointment is expired it is expired and the one way to see that is. >> i don't know if i speak for and colleagues, i feel as though we have one candidate that comes before us and heard about this candidate a week ago now i'm hearing unless we moved the police commission can't do their work i know i've only spent one and 5 days or something on this staff i feel pressured and actually, i don't think that is fair to put that upon us this is important when i hear today, this can't be continued because of the shorted time constraint

we had a vacant for how many months now it is almost inaccuseable i feel i'm strong armed i don't know how the colleagues feel but we heard of you hinder the work of the police commission you'll hear 24 but if you think the work of the police commission is real important, then you must bring a recommendation forward when clearly we've heard that we are - two of us agree the majority on the committee agrees that we feel that the best way to proceed on this would be to hear both the mayor's appointee and the supervisors appointees at the same time i feel that it is i'm a little bit strong armed here i'd like. >> supervisor fewer.

>> also i'd like then are we able to take a vote on this chair or is that a matter we're not allowed to take a jorpt vote on this issue. >> sorry. >> before you do that i want to ask mr. gibner john gibner, deputy city attorney. there is a question there is a current seat about to exterior did they allow carry officers for this commission. >> john gibner, deputy city attorney. no hold officers on this commission that doesn't necessarily mean that you, you need to appoint our member that the boards member (multiple voices). >> a vacancy on the commission after april 30th. >> supervisor yee. >> the decision i appreciate

supervisor fewer's sort of perspective on this the discussion is if we don't act it will be your fault no quorum which they were seeing this anticipation for the supervisors seat to be vacant for a while now and that has not come before us the other issue here is generally when i go to police commission it is seldom do you see more than one person not there are you saying to me sometimes two or three commissioners not there so right now even with two seats potentially vacant for a week or 40 two sill 5 members in order to not have a quorum 2 of the 5

members need to be absent in a way the pressure should be if any pressure if you want this done for those existing commissioners to make sure they show up for the meeting i think that is where we need to say to them this is important don't be missing the meeting and again, i'm not saying what i've seen - i don't fear that there will be only 3 people showing up for a meeting. >> fair we have a motion on the floor do you want a roll call vote on this. >> a clarification mr. chair to continue to the call of the chair. >> to the next scheduled meeting on the motion to continue to the call of the chair. >> supervisor fewer supervisor yee supervisor safai no we have 2 i's and one no

supervisor safai in december sent. >> great no other items on the agenda so can i have a motion to adjourn symexcited.

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>> april 19, 2019. i will remind members of the public that commission does not tolerate any disruption or outbursts of any kind. please silence the mobile devices that may sound off during the proceedings and when speaking before the commission state your name for the commission. president wolfram. >> here. >> vice president hyland. >> here. >> commissioner johnck. >> here. >> commissioner johns. >> here. >> commissioner matsuda. >> here. >> commissioner pearlman. >> here. >> commissioners first on the agenda is general public comment. at this time members of the public may address the commission of items within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except agenda items. with respect to the agenda items the opportunity is afforded when the item is reached during the meeting. each member of the public may address the commission up to three minutes. i don't have any speaker cards. would a member of the public like to speak on

general public comment? seeing none. public comment is now closed. >> very good commissioners. that places under department matters director's announcements. >> good afternoon i have no comments from the director and forward to answer questions that you have for him to answer at the next hearing. >> thank you. >> item 2 review of past events at the planning commission. >> tim frye again planning staff. i asked the secretary to send a letter from san francisco heritage and you may have seen it and the latino city-wide context statement. for the benefit of the public the letter went to the president breed and the board of supervisors and copied to us just indicating the progress to date on the context statement and they anticipate sending the planning department a draft for final review at the

end of this year which then we will bring to this commission for adoption. that concludes my comments unless you have any questions. >> no. thank you. >> commission that places us under commission matters item 3 president's report and announcements. >> the only announcement i wish to make that the california preservation foundation is having the annual conference may 10- 13 in pasadena so i encourage you all to attend. >> item 4 consideration of adoption draft minutes for the historic preservation commission regular hearing for april 5, 2017. >> before i take public comment does anyone have corrections to the minutes? does any member of the public wish to comment on the draft minutes? seeing and hearing none i will close public comment and bring it back to the commission. is there a motion to adopt? >> i move to adopt them.

>> i second the motion. >> thank you commissioners. on that motion to adopt the minutes for april 5, 2017. commissioner hasz -- excuse me, commissioner johnck. >> yes. >> commissioner johns. >> yes. >> commissioner matsuda. >> yes. >> commissioner pearlman. >> yes. >> commissioner hyland. >> yes and commissioner wolfram. >> yes. >> so moved commissioners that passes unanimously 6-0. that places us under item 5 commission comments and questions. >> any comments or questions? no. we can move on. >> very good. that will place us under consideration of items proposed for continuance. you have one item number 6, 2013.0975coa, 888 tennessee street. this is a certificate of appropriateness and it is proposed for continuance to excuse me -- indefinitely. >> does any member of the public wish to speak on the continuance of item 6? seeing none. public comment is now closed. do i have a motion to continue? >> i move to continue the

item. >> second. >> thank you commissioners. on that motion then to continue item 6 indefinitely. commissioner johnck. >> yes. >> commissioner johns. >> yes. >> commissioner matsuda. >> yes. >> commissioner pearlman. >> yes. >> commissioner hyland. >> yes. >> and president wolfram. >> yes. >> so moved that passes unanimously 6-0 that places under your regular calendar item 7. 2017-003077oth at 811 treat avenue. this is for your review and comment. >> can we have the overhead please? good afternoon commissioners. shannon ferguson department staff. the item before you today is a natoma nat national register of historic

places and for henry geilfuss and the city is given the opportunity to comment on national register. the henry geilfuss is located on the east side of treat avenue between 21st and 22nd streets in the mission neighborhood. krktding features ever the property include an italianate style residence designed by master architect henry geilfuss sirky as a personal resident and resident in 1882 and altered and workshop constructed around 1920 and garage construct the around 1940. the initial register nomination says henry geilfuss is criteria for b for persons and c for architecture. henry geilfuss is one of san francisco's most prolific architects and designed several building and it is bay opera

house. st. luke's church and others in the city and lived there up to 1900 which is the dates of significant and the productive times of his career. although he didn't work out of the office instead of a office it's nominated under criteria b and excellent example of detached italian resident and his later work. staff dprea agrees that the property is significant and for the architecture and association with geilfuss and staff believes that the subject appropriate and later work should be explored further and identified and comparing the later buildings to the subject property. staff requests that the commission review the nomination and provide comments whether the henry geilfuss meets the criteria for significance. the commission may recommend the

nomination or not recommend the nomination or be revised to include more in-depth discussion how it anticipated his later works. comments may be added to the packet and forwarded to the office of historic preservation. this concludes my presentation and i am happy to answer questions and the consultant from the project sponsor is available for questions. >> thank you. commissioners any questions? commissioner pearlman. >> yeah, i do have a question. i am wondering how this got to be nominated? >> maybe the project sponsor's consultant can answer that question. >> that would be great. thank you. >> hi. i am joanna street and preservation architect and the client approached me wanting to designate his property and to get some mill sack time also working on and i have a short

presentation too if you had more questions or if you wanted me -- i will go ahead. >> yeah. >> it's always a pleasure to work for clients who want to preserve san francisco's history and i will try to keep this brief because i have less than two weeks to try to finish the mill sac application to meet the deadline so we celebrated the anniversary of the 1906 earthquake and i will share henry geilfuss' experience of it. in 1890 he was an established san francisco architect. he designed and built his own office building on fulton street. in 1906 the building was gutted by fire and reduced to rubble but was able to rebuild and seized by harbor

-- imminent do nain for the civic center and the pleas fell on deaf eers. by this time he moved and sold his house and treat and relocated sought of the city. i don't know why he moved from from my experience moving south of the city sometimes it's easier to accept the change of a beloved city from a distance. henry geilfuss died quietly in 1922. his accomplishments were barely noted but today i am happy to shout his name from the roof tops. henry geilfuss house is truly a wonderful little gem and stunning once it's repaired and painted and i can certainly answer more questions you have about the nomination. >> thank you. >> the owner is here too if you have questions for him. >> thank you. commissioner johnck. >> i think this question

relates to staff. i think this is a wonderful idea but i was looking at questioning why under criterion d and potential to yield greater information wasn't listed as a criterion for significance, particularly because i think it's very apt for you to note that it would be interesting and important to find out additional information about how his work related to all his projects? that is one example of the opportunity that the property has to yield greater information so i thought another criterion would be a good idea. maybe you could explain why not or maybe you agree with me or not. >> it's currently nominated

under b for persons under henry geilfuss and c for architecture. >> yeah and i guess why not d too is what i am asking? >> they maybe a question for the consultant as well. >> commissioner d is often used for archeology. >> right, i know that but i thought -- >> i'm not sure if there is precedent to use it in this case but we can certainly explore it with the consultant if you would like us to. >> okay. well i guess the other issue too is if we have to make a decision on this because the mill sack -- [inaudible] [off mic] application for mill sack that has to be complete by may 1 and whether it would affect that. >> well, the final decision does lie with the state historic resources commission so your recommendation like to the board of supervisors will be in the form of the resolution to o hp

in time for their hearing on the item. if they do decide to list it or list it then it will qualify for the mills act program. >> can you clarify though all we're doing right now is commenting on this item which is going to the state historic preservation board. >> yes. >> that's correct. >> yes. >> and is there a time and part of review and comment do we recommend additional items it's not coming back before us again? we just comment and the state can take the comments or not? >> yes. >> okay. thank you. does that clear? >> yes. >> and the mills act we're not relating anything to the mills act at this time -- >> no, the mills act is not considered at this time. >> great. commissioner pearlman, did you have a question? >> yeah, i do. was this the reason it went the path of a national register rather than a local landmark process? i mean

are there certain benefits one way or another that would be better if it's national register or -- >> for the owner this is a simpler process. >> that's what i am trying to understand. >> at the time -- i moon the building is -- mean the building is certainly local landmark worth and he not on the work program and identified in the south mission survey as one i would (encoder dropped). >> this building would not

come before us and not under our purview? >> no. >> okay. i think we will take public comment at this time. does any member of the public comment wish to comment at this time. please come forward. seeing none. public comment is now closed. we will bring it back to the commission. a motion -- actually we're not making a motion. >> there is no action. >> okay. so yes let's see if we have a consensus about comments about the report. >> yeah,. >> commissioner johnck. >> i like the staff recommendation for additional comments. that would be helpful to have some discussion in the report, backed in the national -- background of the national registry report how this building -- [off mic] [inaudible] >> actually there is a motion, so we have a motion, so we could adopt the findings. >> there is the resolution. >> yes.

>> for adoption for support. >> okay. so would we -- so somebody could make -- a adopt the motion adopting the resolution about the findings. >> [inaudible] >> i have another question if i may. >> yeah. >> if we adopt the staff's recommendations that that would be asking for more to be done and potentially delaying the landmarking -- >> the nomination. >> yeah. so i don't know -- i don't have any strong opinion either way. >> tim frye department staff. it's entirely up to the consultant and the state commission whether or not that information is necessary. the consultant could be proactive and just include it before submitting to the state, or they could wait to hear from the state commission on whether or not it's necessary, so there's more than one option. >> right. in this motion it

recommends that the building be nominated to the national register, but that does recommend always additional research be done, so it's up to the commission. >> yeah, i think if it were local then we would have the opportunity to request the additional information which would be i think more usable -- you know locally that information is much more interesting and usable than when i think it's a national register nomination but anyway -- -- well, i would like to move the staff recommendation, the motion. >> >> i would like to move -- >> we adopt the findings in the resolution. >> right. >> second. [laughter] >> correct. >> we have a motion and a second. >> call the question. very good commissioners. on that motion to adopt the recommendation to the historic preservation preservation officer that the subject property be nominateod that

motion. commissioner johnck. >> yes. >> commissioner johns. >> yes. >> commissioner matsuda. >> yes. >> commissioner pearlman. >> yes. >> commissioner hyland. >> yes. >> commissioner wolfram. >> yes. >> so move commissioners. that passes unanimously 6-0. commissioners that places us on item 8 for 2011.1124yl at 2117-2123 market street. this is a landmark designation. >> good afternoon commissioners. desiree smith department staff. i am here to present the department's recommendation regarding landmark designation of new era

hall located at 2117-2123 market street. -- i'm sorry. sfgtv -- thank you. >> thank you. the building was added to the landmark designation work program on june 15, 2011. since that time staff has completed the designation report but was unable to bring the nom naitionz forward with consent. at the september 21, 2016 landmark designation quarterly report you ask staff to bring if forward for discussion and then you adopted a resolution to initiate landmark ten designation of new era hall. located at 2117-2123 market street new era hall is the significant of the master architect august nordin and the association with the rebuilding of san francisco with the disaster of 1906. the establishment of upper market as a commercial corridor and the visalia stock saddle company a

pioneering mexican-american saddle business. the assembling a rare type and mixed use building and commercial hall and frontage. of the 72 social halls in san francisco exit and one few of its type and have a high degree of architectural integrity. exterior characteristic features include two story height and massing, all roof lines including the flat roof, exterior elevations and siding and site elevation. architectural details and moddings and brackets and [inaudible] and central entry doors and ground door configuration and second floor configuration. interior character defining features include the volume and materials of the lodge room and the tresaces and the panels and

nail brackets and flush wood siding and [inaudible] vestibules at the entry level and second story. the property meets one of the landmark designation prior require and represent under represents types and with social history and under represented cultural groups and the city's landmark designation program and in this case mexican-american heritage. the department received no letters of support for the designation. however there is no known public or neighborhood opposition to the designation of the building as an art ten landmark. as the property owner submitted a letter in opposition of the designation to staff in this letter was included in your packet. staff has spoken with the owner several times and has shared the landmark designation report with them and earlier today a site visit was conducted by staff and commissioners wolf

man and high land and believe it meets the eligibility requirements and status is warranted: hpc recommends landmark designation to the board of supervisors. this concludes my presentation and i am happy to answer any questions. >> thank you. any questions from the commission? nope. i think we will take public comment. any member of the public wish to comment on the item? if so please come forward. >> i'm the owner of the property. is this the appropriate time? >> yes have three minutes. >> i want to begin to say i am bared i -- embarrassed and opposing but now i know about

the cost and the delays and we're asking for -- the picture was up earlier and the easement for the ground floor business, not altering anything but opening the door and making it an exit and the work was about $26,000 and i have been informed by staff that $11,000 above that amount is a consequence of the historic designation. there was a $6,500 fee that we had to pay upon submission of the permit plans and four and a half months of delay, and just has been a little difficult just to get the simplest non structural -- we're changing no elements of the historic features of the building and i don't dispute that the work was done very well but it's just -- it's a shackle on us and doing the most basic

-- even life safety stuff and opening an exit has been exceedingly difficult so practically it's very difficult so i just wanted to make that known. >> thank you. would any other members of the public wish to speak on this item? if so please come forward. seeing none. public comment is now closed. commissioners any questions, comments? i want to say we went on a visit today. the integrity of the building is impressive especially the second floor lodge rooms. it looks like the valets -- san francisco -- what is the name of the ballet company? >> >> academy of ballet has been there since 1953 and it's very, very intact. so commissioner pearlman. >> i just want to address the owner's concerns. you know

while -- you know as an architect i work on landmark buildings, historic buildings in the city and i certainly can relate to your -- comisrate on the challenges. i think the challenges is that the landmarks and the story of san francisco is bigger than any one particular owner and you may be the owner today but tomorrow you could sell the building to someone who would be extremely happy to have a landmark building and bear the burden of allowing that building to be part of the public realm in a sense of the elements that create the story of san francisco, so you know i don't see that as a reason to not -- yeah, i would appreciate your comments. i don't see that as a reason for us to not consider this because there are challenges with any building whether they're landmarked or

not and your four and a half month delay i can tell you is not particular to a historic building. >> okay. >> you could have that delay with any building just to do what you're talking about. >> mr. frye did you have a comment first? >> i will let the -- >> i complete agree and why i am embarrassed to be up here but it's a common good so and a funding issue and preserving public parks. i don't pay for admission to them but that should be something that is universally funded. it's a collective benefit so all the resident it is benefit from so it's difficult to put that on to the owners. >> >> that's true and true about rent control and any other thing that is a public good that certainly individual property owners bear responsibility for. if you're a landlord and you own a house under rent control you're not getting market control and therefore you're bearing the burden of the benefit of rent control to keep

rents low in our city and again i totally comisrate. my clients are often in the position you're in but i think there's a greater good and i appreciate that you recognize that. >> thank you. >> mr. frye. >> commissioners tim frye department staff. i did want to take this opportunity to make a few comments to the owner if you will allow me. unfortunately we have only corresponded through representatives of the across roads office. >> >> and as the only has mentioned that cost is a significant issue we want to reiterate we have a number of types reached out and stated this building is eligible for the mills act which is a significant property tax reduction to help balance some of these preservation related work that they may have to under go. at that time the representatives told me they're

not interested in the mills act and i am hearing something different and i want to offer the expertise of applying for the mills act property tax reduction and if they're interested and help offset the costs by the project. >> thank you. commissioner hyland. >> >> yeah, i have two comments. one is whether we landmark this building or not it's still a historic resource under ceqa so all the same process and procedures need to be followed so the cost or burden -- i don't see it as an additional burden, and the second thing i wanted to point out is the ballet studio is another quinn sennial san francisco story and certainly worthy of legacy business registry so there is additional -- if that process was applied for, if it was applied for as a

legacy business registry property -- business, i'm sorry, the owner would have additional benefits from that as well. >> thank you. commissioner johnck. >> [off mic] [inaudible] because we have been working on this for a while now. >> i think we've known in the past. >> it's come up. >> yeah, it's come up before. that's another reason why it's taken so long. >> that's true. i recall that now. i would say i think all the comments relative to what we're trying to accomplish here in the commission are important for the city and its historic value, but i am glad to hear mr. frye that you -- you know, you mentioned again and reiterated the mills act and comment to commissioner hyland about the legacy business is

good, so yeah, i would move approval. >> [inaudible] [off mic] >> move to the board of supervisors. >> second. >> thank you. >> we have a motion and a second. >> very good commissioners. on that motion to adopt a recommendation recommending to the board of supervisors approval of this nomination or on this landmark. commissioner johnck. >> yes. >> commissioner johns. >> yes. >> commissioner matsuda. >> yes. >> commissioner pearlman. >> yes. >> commissioner hyland. >> yes. >> president wolfram. >> yes. >> so moved commissioners. that motion passes unanimously 6-0. commissioners that places us on items 9a through e for case numbers 2017-003782lbr at 1126 folsom street. 2017-003872lbr at 1004 treat avenue, 2017-003808lbr at 965

clay street, 2017-003825lbr, at 548 green street, and 2017-003815lbr, address it case 3821 noriega street. these are legacy business applications. >> hello desiree smith planning staff. these are applications and submitted to the department on march 24 and ready for your recommendation. all applications were reviewed by the office of small business for completion for transmittal to the planning department. the your packets have a draft res for each business and features of the success of the business. the first application is for brainwash inc. founded by susan schindler and a combination of laundromat, internet cafe', restaurant, and entertainment venue in the south of market. its features over 30 high tech washers and dryers and internet cafe and restaurant open daily

until 2:00 a.m. and live entertainment options. currently the business is at risk of displacement and construction of adjacent building and lead to declining revenues and the lease is set to expire in 2019 and negotiation of the new lease soon. the second application for california environmental quality act and by the family in 1975. the neighborhood-serving auto repair shop serves the mission district and provides services and specializes in classic and vintage car repair and restoration and honest appraisals and affordable prices and reliable service in addition to the generosity of the good will of the owner and staff. the next application is for the chinese historical society of america. the chinese historical society of america was founded in 1963 to interpret, promote and preserve the preservation of the social, cultural, and political history and contributions of the chinese in america. it hosts exhibit ions on public programs, serve as a

resource for historic resources and chinese history and tour of the surrounding chinatown. for the past 17 years the organization has owned and operated out of the historic chinatown ywca and a city landmark. the next application is gino and carlo established in north beach and it's a neighborhood sports bar and for the italian american heritage community particularly those that worked the grave yard shift. over the decades the neighborhood institution has i customer base and traditions that include today and tournaments and barch quiet and traditional dishes and ttionz dinner and participation in the columbus parade. the next applicant is for noriega produce and of the vardakastanis family

and searched the outcome for three decades and known for the natural offerings and meats and a variety of greek foot items for sale under the in house brand. in addition the business leadership has been recognized for efforts to improve the neighborhood and community and schools. after review of these applications staff find that all five applicants met the criteria for listing on the legacy business registry. this concludes my presentations. i am happy to answer questions and representatives from the businesses and non-profits -- some are here today as well as the legacy business program manager. thank you. >> thank you very much. at this time we will take public comment on these items. each member of the public has three minutes to speak and a warning bell that will go off 30 seconds before. i have one speaker card for patrick alioto and if you come forward. >> good afternoon. ladies and gentlemen. i am the son of the

great mayor former of san francisco and will kathleen alioto and proud member of the family. whether you're a san franciscan, native or tourist doesn't take much to see that the city has changed and so what is constant? the local institutions. with gino and carlo you have a native institution and tourists come back and again and again. that's why gino and carlo are celebrating the 75th anniversary of existence. it's a place where the new generation meets the old and folk tales are passed on and local treasures and we need to hold on to this. thank you for keeping this alive for the future generations and thank you to aaron

peskin for nominating us and your time. >> thank you. next speaker can come forward. >> i am jeffrey salis and the owner of brainwash cafe and i am here to answer any questions that you may have about the cafe. i'm not sure if you got a chance to read the presentation that we submitted. >> we did. >> that's great. i believe we're pretty important business to the city. we have scores -- hundreds of tourists that come in every year between memorial day and labor day. you can hear half a dozen languages being spoken at any given time. we do laundry for a lot of homeless and indigent people in the city who are less fortunate. we work through the various agencies to do that, and any questions that you have i am happy to answer. >> great. thank you very much. >> okay. thank you.

>> does any other member of the public wish to speak? >> hello commissioners. my name is sim lee and executive director of the chinese historical society of america and we're thrilled to being a legacy business of the city and county of san francisco. as you know chinese have been here since the gold rush and chinatown has been a ethnic neighborhood since that time so as a his society we're blessed and in a jewel of a building that we share with the public and happy to answer any questions and again we're thrilled to be designated a legacy business. thank you. >> thank you. >> my name is jerry gibbons and i speaking on behalf of gino and carlo. first i would like to acknowledge that the san francisco legacy program has

great support by the community and the board of supervisors. it's also interesting to note it's sprung out and upon was inspired by the legacy bar and restaurant initiative which the goal was to encourage people to experience some of the san francisco's most legionary eateries and watering holes and dives and that describes gino and carlo. the requirements that the company has to be in business for 30 years. gino and carlo was established 75 years ago and owned by the same family for 45 years, a italian family of course, a true north beach lounge and bar. the second requirement that the business must contribute to the neighborhood's history and/or identity of a particular neighborhood and community. gino and carlo for 15 years have sponsored the donna oh rossy

tournament and they have the monthly thursday lunches which is attended by everybody, city officers -- perhaps you have been, the mayor, police officers and me, a humble advertising guy. the chronicle has described gino and carlo as more like a cozy rec room of your favorite uncle decorated memorabilia and photos and hand drawn signs announcing the typically italian menu for the much loved thursday lunches. gino and carlo was named the san francisco's best bar in 19-- in 2010. and as carl nolte a "san francisco chronicle" writer noted "gino and carlo might be be the best old bar left in the

city today." the other requirement that the owners are committed to keeping the physical features and the tradition of the business. i will tell you that the owners couldn't change it. it reflects them. it's their commitment to the community and the way they live. even if they wanted to their body and soul would not let them. i hope you a onllow them to be. thank you. >> thank you. does anybody other member of the public wish to speak on this item? if so please come forward. >> ladies and gentlemen my name is ernie biel. i'm a resident of north beach, and i am what could be described as a saloonist. a saloonist is a person who takes note of the neighborhood surroundings and takes advantage of them and

uses the saloon, in this case, gino and carlo, as a kind of social club. i'm a writer, and i've in the last couple of years have written two books. the first one was called "sketches from a north beach journal." it included a chapter about gino and carlo which i dearly love. nowm i'm not italian. i'm of [inaudible] descent but i find there is a wonderful atmosphere in this typically italian bar, and in a neighborhood like north beach which is becoming more ho mog nows all the time i feel it's very important that we honor this italian tradition and take advantage of it, so i

would like you to favorably consider this application so that i can continue to enjoy being a saloonist. thank you very much. >> thank you. would any other member of the public wish to speak on these items? >> how are you doing? so i'm not fancy. i don't have anything written down or anything. i am dominick cal breezy. i have been here for 40 years. i appreciate what you're doing for me and if you guys have any questions for me please i can answer anything you want, but i get give to a couple of the churches much we fix cars for free for a couple of the priests. i am part of the san francisco fire department toy drive and work with the

california highway patrol and chips for tots and i designed that program years ago and i like giving to kids and helping people with no money. >> thank you. >> can i go sit down? >> yeah, it's it. [laughter] >> does any member of the public wish to comment on these items? seeing none. public comment is now closed and bring it back to the commission. commissioners do you have any questions or comments? commissioner johnck. >> >> i think we're always honored with these nominations and but it's wonderful to hear all these very eloquent -- same -- you don't have to have anything written. it's all welcome and wonderful. we love to hear these recommendations and your stories so i certainly would be happy to move approval

for their registration. >> i second it. >> i think we have -- before we go to that we have a few comments. commissioner pearlman. >> we can comment after. >> you know i felt so rah, rah today and reading these and especially the european ethnicity of the applicants today. you know it just gives me a big smile. i feel so good about being part of this being part of the city when i hear people you know talk about gino and carlo and i wish i had a car that you could restore for me. [laughter] so thank you all for doing what you do. this has been one of the best parts of our job is to you know have you come forward and tell us your conspires stories because this is san francisco. thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> commissioner hyland.

>> i second, third, fourth all the comments and thank you for doing what you do. >> >> i did want to make a special mention to the chien ease historic society and they have an exhibit on the 150th anniversary of the chinese exclusion act. >> [inaudible] [off mic] >> yes. very important part of history here in san francisco and check that out. i certainly support it owl. >> commissioner johnck. >> i have an addendum and i want to thank you for the invitation to visit. >> >> and i am sure we will all be there at some point soon, and i wanted to say to steven if you would speak to me later your mother would be really proud of what i am doing now for the city. i have known her for a long time. it's great definitely, yeah. >> so i believe there was a motion. >> yes. >> there was a motion and has been seconded. shall i call the question? >> yes. >> on that motion to adopt

recommendations for approval for these items. >> (calling roll). >> >> so moved commissioners. that passes unanimously 6-0. >> thank you and congratulations. all of you. >> commissioners that places on item 10 for the designation work program. >> good afternoon commissioners. desiree smith, department staff. the item before you today is a quarterly update on the designation work program from january 1, to the end of year and i will go over projects and upcoming projects and the performance issue measures that we're tracking.

you initiated designation of two properties this quarter and el rey theater on ocean avenue on folsom street a private resident. since the end of this quarter you adopted a resolution to recommend landmark designation of the elrae theater to the board of supervisors. today you considered a resolution to recommend to the board of supervisors landmark designation of new era hall on market street. staff is currently working on fact sheets for article 10 designation of sites identified through the center soma resources survey and they're expected to be adopted as part of the central soma plan in the fall. the properties in the packet and include the filipino masonic and hotel, hotel utah, hotel townsend and pull man hotel, the pile drivers and local iron workers union hall. 645

harrison street. mission conservation district and the south end landmark district. a neighborhood meeting was held regarding the rose so district and expected to come you before this summer. staff has met with representatives from the baptist church to discuss landmark designation of that property and on the work program and we conducted some preliminary oral history interviews with members of the church. this nomination has been prioritized due to community interest and is expected to come before you late summer or early fall. the initiation for the peace po coda and peace plaza and for the june hearing. staff met with members of the japantown task force cultural heritage committee and to discuss the process and staff is working on the revisions of the report and addition of quotes from introduce provided

by members of the japantown task force. the full task force will consider whether or not to endorse the report at the upcoming meeting in anticipation of the hpc meeting. [inaudible] committee was voted for proposal for the haight street district and a proposal by san francisco heritage and partnership with the district. the district is on the landmark designation work program but proposed as a joint project with heritage and our consultants [inaudible]. as part of the department stan fran civil rights -- san francisco civil rights projects and sult consultants were hired and glide memorial methodist church, jap pan town jpca and the masonic lonch. the nominations which are expected to be completed by

january next year will used to create article 10 landmark designations as well. those are the projects that are in the active pipeline. in addition to those projects survey teams were supervise two interns and one will produce historic statements for neighborhoods and the second intern will work with the san francisco civil rights project developing a proposal and scope for a mobile application to highlight those sites. in addition to the landmark designation work program the staff we serve as technical support through the historic preservation committee and working with the hpc on the following consultant produced reports. that landmark designation report for sacred heart complex and scheduled for initiation at may meeting. the african-american context statement, the latino context

statement, the resident park corine park eureka valley and [inaudible] statement and three landmark designations and the landmark survey. this past quarter we had two staff changes. francis mcmillon who served as technical specialist is joined the survey team and we hired a new survey team staff member to be a data specialistos the city-wide survey. his name is ken -- his last name -- ching? ken ching. he will be working with our city-wide survey manager. and we're also currently applying for a 2017-18 co g grant for a consultant for the chinese american historic statement. lastly to better attract the status of article 10

and 11 designations the following performance measures were established. the first was to prepare landmark designation report within 150 hours so the most recent designation report was new era hall at 206 hours and that continues to be the only property that exceeds that 120 hours staff hours and no other designations were completed during this quarter. the second performance measure was to prepare an article 10 and 11 designation application and posted to the website in april 2015. the third was to provide comments to landmark designation applicants and comments of hearings and applications within 30 days. we brought forward the application for 2731 and 35 folsom street 30 days after it was submitted to

the department and determined it should be presented to the hpc. the next measure -- [inaudible] maintain the quarterly report so the next update is expected july 19. commissioners we just reviewed the work programs active cases and other projects and staff will come back to you july 19 to present the next quarterly report. this concludes my presentation. i am happy to answer any questions. >> thank you. any questions for staff? >> i have a comment, not a question after. >> at this time we will take public comment on this item. does any member of the public wish to speak on the landmark work program? seeing none. public comment is now closed. commissioner pearlman. >> yeah. i just wanted to say they think in my first term on the hpc i only remember three or four landmarks and the pace that we're at now is very satisfying

that within each quarter we're seeing many more and bigger scale i mean in terms of landmark districts and all of that so complement to you and to mr. frye and the staff for bringing those forward at such a great clip, and then also just the timing. i mean the legacy business registry comes forward within three, four weeks of when they're applied for and then the 30 day turn around for some of these community sponsored nominations is great because as we all know some of this stuff takes forever. new era hall is up to about six years so seeing something come forward in 60 days is impressive and i want to complement you all on that. thank you. >> thanks. >> yeah, i would concur with that. i think it's very impressive work you're doing and look forward to the next round of designations. any other comments before we conclude? i think that's the final item; right? the hearing is adjourned.

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jim gym and structure today. >> to make this a park that everybody can enjoy, a diversity that would show the city that this is what san francisco is all about. >> what we got here is 3,000 new square feet of places for people to be healthy and be active and the community to gather. >> if you see /kaelly's mural in the building, there cannot be an imagery that's more related to this place. what people told us about what the importance of the windmills and the green houses and the flowers that used to be grown here and the wind, let's not forget the wind. >> we have to continue to invest in our city's infrastructure and creating new. this is a recreation center for the 21st century and for the

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to call tontsz board meeting to order today is tuesday, april 25, 2017, roll call. please ms. casco. >> thank you mr. cook plane ms. mendoza-mcdonnell dr. murase ms. norton mr. sanchez mr. walton ms. eng and ziegler. >> thank you thank you so much it is great to see so many people in the board room this evening we'll do our best to move through tonight's recognizes and other events