this is not something that was done before i came on board. we are increasing performance evaluation reporting to the entire department, one of my objectives, well on the way doing that. increasing transparency in c.i.o. decisions so staffing changes and changes to process that i'm implementing are communicated to every level in the organization. we have renewed our online training program, and we are encouraging staff to request skills improvement training. so, in conclusion, i want to thank david german, leah levinson, the technology staff that is with me here today, on preparing for this audit review and hearing. the whole d.t. team has really embraced the audit, and is actively working on improving

their processes. right now there is a meeting going on where the strategic plan i shared with you is going into what we call a deep dive, so we are actually working with each one of the divisions and reviewing each individual project and have that dashboard, color coded dashboard to review and i'm aware where each project is. thank you for the opportunity to present and i certainly look forward to working with all of you on technology projects for the city. so, i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, linda. colleagues? >> i do have a few questions. so, thank so much, for presenting today. and it feels like you know, there's quite a bit of work that needs to be done, but i'm glad that we are moving towards a process of addressing it. i had, i wanted to bring up somewhat separate concern, although related to this audit,

which is expense of our licensed software usage here in san francisco and i know i bring this up all the time at the board meeting when we have licensed software contracts that come before the board. and it's really not a criticism on each individual contract, but just the city's overall vision and work on what we are doing at reducing our reliance on licensed software, paid licensed software and the work we are doing to figure out which systems need to be on licensed software and which are on free or open source. this is something i've been bringing up continually since at least 2011, and neither of you were on the board when i first began speaking about this. but i do think that government spends an inordinate amount of money on licensed software, some we have to do, probably not other times of operating systems that we can include that isn't

paid licensed software. but some of which i think we could wean ourselves off of and save the city millions of dollars, you know, taxpayer dollars. so what i want to ask the department of technology and this has come up in previous years, but what has been the continuing discussion and vision about how we can relook at how we do licensed software here in san francisco. >> i'm happy to address that, and i agree with you, i have always been a proponent for open source solutions, having said that, open source is a unique type of software implementation, and it's not just about the, how the software is coded, it is the infrastructure that's around it. so, having said that, i know there have been discussions with the p.u.c. about their use of open source software. they have demonstrated that they are using open source.

and quite honestly, the biggest software system that d.t. supports, or did support, is an open source product. you may not be aware, the city's entire web presence, both internal and external, is on druple, an open source environment. so i think that shows the commitment to that type of technology. having said that, we also need to recognize that druple is widely supported, has a very large community of support that makes it viable. so i think as we move forward and talk about how we make technology choices, i am always going to come down on the side of reliability, sustainability, and its ability to be improved and stay secure into the future. i think an open source project needs to demonstrate that just like we would require that of a vendor and i think we look

forward to lowering our license costs by also starting to use more standards. so, really adopting a strategy that says let's look at the portfolio, the technology portfolio that we have today. let's use the software technology we have in place today. let's expand that. we gain so much when we do that through training that's already in place, support that's already in place. all we have to do is expand a bit of capacity and it's operational as opposed to a complete implementation. so, i'm an advocate for, let's always before we implement something totally new, and i know there are lots of industry conferences that people go to and come home with a new shiny widget, let's look at what we have in the city. the more we can standardize, the more we can share data. you heard the conversation this morning about shared data.

the more we share systems, the more we share data. >> thank you so much for that response and i think it's great the website is operated on open source, i'm not sure everything should be open source although i question whether licensed software is more secure than open source, in particular given what we are seeing in the national headlines what we assumed were the most secure agencies in the country that is getting hacked. but i think it's -- that is the answer that i've gotten before, that it's something that's being examined, that we look at it. i guess i want to understand if we are going to establish protocol so we start to see less licensed software contracts come before the board of supervisors. i guess i have not seen that reduction yet. and so i'm not sure if departments are seriously examining the options. one great example is the fact all of our emails on microsoft outlook. there are clearly other free email software that's out there

that other government uses, and so you know, there are just some easier ones that seems we are not tackling. i get it with the recent, for example, the recent p.c. contract with oracle that came through, there probably is not a lot of open source software that deals with bill management and construction communications. seems like for some very specific types of operating systems we will have to pay for licensed software, but for stuff like microsoft word and email, there clearly are other free options that are available to the city where you know, i think security is probably equal between paid and unpaid. and i'm just wondering why we haven't been examining the resources so we can save our taxpayer dollars and put them towards street cleaning. >> so, i can address that. i think you have to look at the total cost of ownership on any project and you also need to look at integration, which we have also heard can be crippling when the systems don't talk to

each other. so, the fact that patch management for office products is integrated with its security, integrated with its identity managements, integrated, so it's not just email, it's the whole suite of applications that interface with email and can those be delivered in a cost effective way looking at total cost of ownership. integrating or trying to manage identity differently in maybe a siloed email systems versus how other desktop tools are provided might actually increase the cost of ownership. we can always do a study on that, if you would like me to. but i think it's really looking at as we move forward and i agree with you, have new conversations about new investments or even look at old ones as contracts come up for renewal, let's look at that

total cost of ownership, look at what it takes to integrate, deliver and secure, and make sure we are making the best investment possible. >> supervisor kim: i'm not going to put this on both of you, you were not here when i was bringing this up, when i was on budget committee in 2011 and 2012, but i have not seen a plan come forward, and i think it's often too late at the point that we are procuring contracts to begin to examine open source. i feel we have to do that work now and have a long-term plan for the next 10, 20 years. in the time we do contract procurement, we don't have a lot of time to look at massive kind of systems change, and i think what i'm asking for is more of a comprehensive system change look that will take time to implement. so, 5 or 6 years down the road when we are finally looking at what type of email system we will use, today we have already determined that moving to this system, you know, is the right move and the cost effectiveness

for the city. i just think these decisions are going to take a lot longer to implement. and so i just think -- what i would ask, actually, is that we begin to examine that now so that, you know, we can say by 2025 we will move our email system to a free service, or you know something along those lines. i'm not suggesting it be email, although i do know municipal governments and other cities use g mail for free, i believe others are on g mail, not saying it has to be google. but i think we should be looking at these systems and seeing how we can save taxpayer dollars and put them into, you know, put them into uses that, where we really need some changes like improving our parks and our streets like i said. so -- that's something that i asked 5, 6 years ago and i think there was some lip service that was given to open source or free

software but i have not seen the city really move in that direction. and i think department of technology is in a very difficult position in the sense that you know, we would like you to lead and manage for all of our departments around their technology but that's just not frankly what happens today. and so there is just some incredible inefficiency on the executive side in terms of the project management that you have been talking about. we put the accountability on d.t., but i don't feel like we really give you the authority and power to make sure all the departments are aligning under one vision and one system, i don't know how we can fix it. it's frustrating we have the same conversation year after year about improving efficiency and direct management but that does not seem to actually happen the next year we have the same discussion. so i'm not providing any answers, i'm just venting a little bit of frustration that i've had over the conversation that's been, at least for me going on for seven years and i have not -- does not appear

there's been a lots of improvement and it may not be on the department of technology. >> i think we can look at it. >> overall frustration i've been having. >> i think we can look at it. but remind you, it's always on the business requirements as well. so, and business requirements change and the technology changes. so, there was a time when many of our peers were looking at g mail. but it does not support other requirements, which are required for law enforcement so then we would be supporting two environments. now duplicating infrastructure for two environments. it's the total cost of ownership. what is it going to take to support, what is it going take to deliver the business service and is it cost effective. we may get the license for free, but staff up 25 people to support an environment, it's more costly than possibly another solution. so, thae -- >> absolutely, and i think -- i

think that's why an overall plan is really helpful because when we get these contract by contract kind of decision making here at the board it's really hard to understand the overall thinking and vision that went into why that individual contract comes before the board. >> very, very good point. >> the contracts are incredibly expensive. they are millions of dollars, and so for me as someone who is a steward of public dollars i think it's important for us to always be asking questions, is this the most cost efficient way to deliver these services for the city. and often i feel like i don't get the bigger bird's eye view of why we decide to go down this route with each individual contract but it would be helpful to have the overall vision and answers of why the system is not going to work for us and that's why we went with this licensed software. >> i absolutely agree with you. and i am a very big proponent for what is called i.t. governance, and that sounds kind

of nebulous, but really isn't. for every project understanding many of the things in the audit, about scope, about cost, but really doing that cost benefit analysis over five years, it's understanding what the market provides, and what are your options and alternatives and making that part of the business decision before procurement is done, and i will promise you that we are going to implement that. >> my final comment that i'll make, and this is a comment i made several times, is that i in particular have a long standing frustration with certain companies like oracle who have been in the business of providing licensed software to government that have these ballooning payments in the final years when their software is largely outdated but we are totally dependent on it because everybody is on it so we pay the exorbitant amounts of money and i want us to be cautious as we contract with companies that there are certain companies in their business model with government have figured out ways

to extract argue amounts of public taxpayer dollars and you know, that is how they kind of meet their "bottom line." and so i hope we are thoughtful in the negotiations with these companies who put that kind of in there, the reports to their investors in terms of how they make money. i think it's incredible irresponsible of those company, for example but it's incredibly frustrating from our side to see these contracts come before us. thank you. >> thank you. >> so, if there are no further questions, why don't we open this up to public comment. i don't know -- unless -- d.t. staff want to make public comment, you are welcome to do. ok. seeing no public comment, item number 4, closed, any closing comments? >> i would like to thank the budget and legislative analyst's office and the department of technology and linda, you better

stay for a long time, and thank my colleagues on the government audit and oversight committee and with that, i would like to file this item. >> thank you. we will take a motion to file this item and do it without opposition. any other items before this board? >> that completes the agenda for today. >> meeting is adjourned.

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buyer market street corridor something that be proud of thanks to much for watching and >> okay. thank you very much, everyone, for being here. i'm assembly member phil ping and 57 was for all of us who spend time driving underneath 101 or 280. you see many spots that we wonder what could we be doing with these parcels, other than seeing them. i think the city was able to envision this many, many years ago with the skate park and dog park, which the city leased for

20 years at $4.8 million. and our bill allows the city to work with caltrains at a 30% of market rate. and these are not used or not really -- >> whew! >> exactly. there is excitement everywhere. we could have the wedding move over here next. so we are very excited to work with our cities so we can make these underutilized parcels of land into parcels of land and open space. especially these neighborhoods, the land is very underutilized. a lot of this area is highly industrialized. you don't see parks. you don't have spaces where you can go play. i know the dogpatch this district has already taken a lead with the mission creek area

with their volleyball courts and they have shown how we can do this and how it's going to be much more prevalent. i'm very excited to have worked with our city and bring this to our residents. it is the district bill for san francisco. i would like to thank ca ltrains and the mayor has talked about this but there are a couple of parcels that they've already identified at some point soon they've negotiated and we can start the process of turning these vacant lots into open space and parks. so, with that, let me introduce our mayor, ed lee, who really worked with me hand in hand and championed this effort. thank you. >> let me say assembly bill 857 is a winner. i want to take this opportunity to thank.

phil ting who spent years here and we're not only benefiting from his life but senator weiner and david and all those who contributed to making sure this bill didn't have a cingular purpose but multiple purpose. that's what i like about our organization. when they are creating benefits, it's not just about one thing. it is multiple things. that's why people working in parks like former supervisor julie christiansen, people are working with our bicycle coalition, people are working with our parks alliance are all assembled together to say what can we get out of space? that, for many of us, has been dead space. you know, when you look at freeway land under the freeway, you're generally talking about assemblymen -- assemblages of

people who are homeless, negative activity, maybe some industrial uses. and in a city as concentrated as san francisco, how do we creatively and innovatively use space that is kind of dead and inviting of a lot of negative activity in to really opened, creative, vibe rant spaces -- vibrant spaces? and i encourage everybody to participate. walk your dog down there. get a basketball court. get a volleyball court. maybe you even want to do a little boating, kayaking along the mission creek. if you walk down there, you'll see the best example we have today on how we turned space that was going to -- that has been very negative for all of the residents around there. and in conversations with new residents around that area

created space that descamps laments what i -- that complements that park where everyone lives that is what we're doing with spaces around caltrains property and we're doing more in the much few years because of scott's leadership and scott and david chu but phil was the one that really turned the corner. because as kind of small as it might be about the that and how it should be needs to have open space and needs to have it within a 10-minute walk, this is the most treative effort

creative effort we can share. we have 10 spaces. and, by the way, they don't just get created overnight. with the partnership in the parks alliance, these are private spaces that will be taken care of 24/7. and i'd like -- more than "like." this is absolutely necessary in today's world where the housing crisis is impacting everything that we do. and we need to build more housing in areas that we've never built before. but we need to have for that spacing the comp lap meantary open spaces. but we need to have for that spacing the complimentary open spaces. and a benefit that phil ting has allowed us to have the conversation that, if we're in a housing crisis, it is 10 times more of a crisis than those on our streets. an we need to have

areas of temporary shelter to serve that. so, as can you tell, i'm excited about this for all of the right reasons. the people standing behind me informed this, these language changes to make sure that our parks, our bicycles, our way of life can continue with quality of life contributions that our open space has. and the mission creek sports complex is just one of many things that we've done through our recreation and park department in creating these opportunities for partnership was our private sector. because when you -- when you go down there, you'll see people walking their dogs and people doing all of the things that were not done under caltrain's property for many years. and now we're getting an excitement that we are going to turn pretty dead negative spaces into really positive, vibrant open spaces and connect them up with the critical housing that we need. it's going to be, i think, a game-changer in san francisco to work at all of space under the

freeway. some work and some don't, so we'll be very selective about them. but i think you're going to see a very good transformation on these dead spaces into very lively spaces. this will be i think the positive excitement we have with our delegation in san francisco that is making a difference, not just at the state level, but bringing back both the language to resources, to innovative approaches to making sure that our housing crisis is dealt with, our homeless crisis is dealt with, our open-space challenges are dealt with in a very positive way. so i can't say enough about how 857's going to benefit from us. but you'll see the same thing happen in open. you'll see the same thing happening in san jose. because they are all suffering from negative uses of the freeways for inappropriate kind of tent cities where it's dangerous. you're going to see harm reduction because of the collaboration we have with all

of the other agencies to make these spaces vibrant and useful for everyone. so phil ting, thank you for your leadership up there. and, of course, as chair of the appropriations committee, we're going to ask for more because we know we're going to get a lot out of 'ya. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you very much, mr. mayor, and to the entire city for working with us. next i wanted to introduce senator weiner, who was a partner in this every step of the way, myself, senator weiner, and david chiu, so it is part of a team to make this happen. >> thank you, phil. so we have -- we are lucky that we have a very cohesive delegation, myself and david

chiu in this era where southern california has so much population and representation, we really need to stick together so that we can -- san francisco can continue to punch up its weight class in sacramento, which we're continuing to do. so we look out for each other and we love to partner on these bills. he he want to thank phil for his leadership on 857 and i was happy to co-author it. this has been a terrific bill. i think in recent years the theme in san francisco and other cities, we're trying to rediscover urbanism, trying to get away from the era where it was all about housing sprawl and moving away from public transportation and focusing on the needs of cars, not people. and now we are refocused on dense, compact housing and walkable neighborhoods and bike infrastructure and better public transportation, and rediscovering urban public space and one of the things we've been

doing is rededicating land that was really car focused into people-focused places. so whether it is the paving the parks program with jane warner plaza in the castro or the noey town square where we turned the city into a park or what the city did with oct avia turning it into a square. now this the freeways caused problems in the market, and potrero hill, dogpatch and we know that anything we can do to make them usable is great. and this bill will empower the city to be able to work with

caltrain, to create new parks and to really invigorate these neighborhoods. so i'm really, really excited about this step and i know that san francisco will take the next step and actually make it a realty, so thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you, senator. next i want to bring up those who have been an advocate of the public land and that is around urban areas and for communities that hasn't historically had much recreational space. mary? >> thank you so much. thank so you much, assembly member tang. i'm so excited to be here this mourn because somebody who grew up in san francisco and able to have ocean beach as my neighborhood park. this is a city of innovation. this is a city figuring out next year's, the next decade of

issues and challenges. i'm super excited about your leadership. i like spending time in san francisco. and you have the cream of the crop in san francisco. you have innovative leaders who are figuring out ways to figure out these challenges and mayor lee and mr. weiner are champions of parks and open space. they know that being champions for parks and open space are being champions for climate resolution and champions for all of that. and we have a organization that creates access to communities for access to nature for all. we do that with mayor lee on parks around the city including vodecker park a couple of miles away. and what this bill is starting to figure out is how we solve the issue of population growth,

of the scarcaty of land for parks and open space, and the increase of costs for parks and open space. and this bill is solving -- it is beginning to be a piece of the puzzle to solve all of that an as we do work around the country, we are looking at this as a model in communities across the country and in communities across the state. this is an example of how your leadership in sacramento is responsible for passing impactable policies that are going to make a difference for real neighborhoods. this is something that folks in their communities are going to feel. so we're very excited to have supported this bill, really excited about the passage and the governor's signature for ab-857 and grateful for senator ting, weiner and mayor lee's leadership on this. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you, mary. next, i'd like to bring up former supervisor julie christiansen who is the executive director of the dog patch in northwest potrero

green, north district. i think her district has really demonstrated how to make this a realty. they've established that in the neighborhood and they were one of the groups to reach out for this legislation to say hey, how can we help? we're very excited about this and finding ways to work together. these were neighborhoods that were historically filled with warehouses, not people. as we've torn down some of these warehouses and they've been replaced with office space and housing, they've shown the way how we can do that responsibly. thank you. >> is it afternoon yet? good morning. so for those of you who want to follow this story a little further, i really welcome you to come to dogpatch to a place called progress park. it's between indiana and iowa between 23rd and 25th. it's ai lovely space. i have pictures of children swinging in it, people playing bocce an

people working out. it was not built with the other budgets and clout with some of the other projects that senator weiner mentioned it was done with spit from the other neighborhoods who went to a chain-linked fence, a weed-choked lot where neighbors could gather and have open space. so please come down to progress park. this measure tackles two important issues that those of us involved in positive civic planning struggle with. one is how do we mitigate the negative impact of our freeways that slights through our camping areas? the fires, the debris that collects in these spaces, especially as our residents and workplaces inch ever closer to those freeways. secondly, how do we provide open space and green space for the fastest-growing neighborhoods in san francisco, nearly all of which line those same transit

cora ders. so senator ting's measure as the mayor said actually tackles two problems and puts this way ahead. we appreciate very much the heavy lifting that ca ltrain -- caltrain does and we have neighbors when they used to look out on other family residences like theirs and they now face chain linked fence and razor wire and encampments. this is an opportunity to knit our neighborhoods back together. my common line is that these freeways severed our neighborhoods twice, once when the elevated freeways went in with their noise and their pollution and trash, but then a second time when the areas below the freeway were consigned to less optimal uses.

potrero hill is cut off from vacant lots and rusted containers. this is an opportunity to get some of that back. we're very grateful for it. so my deep thanks to assembly member ting. he said he was going to do this his perseverance and determination paid off. we're grateful to all who have helped with this, mr. weiner and assemblyman ting, we're grateful to have them. i'm grateful to the economic workforce and robin abhod is here and all of those who have worked with us and who will continue to work with us. i want to acknowledge jean and allahson from the green benefit district. the gbd is an amazing, amazing construct. neighbors who voted to assess themselves in order to spend extra funds to clean and green their neighborhood. and dogpatch is the first one that we know is the first to

exist, dogpatch and potrero hill. so i'm happy to represent them. this is a great day. hopefully, we'll be having some of these in these parks before very long. thank you all for your interest. >> thank you. thank you, julie, again. it is proud to author 857, ab-857, which now allows the city to transform some of our freeway underpasses into parks. again, i think julie put it very well. there are not always positive things that are happening under these underpasses. again, it's our opportunity for the neighborhoods, the neighborhoods of dogpatch, potrero hill to take over this land. so i want to thank everybody for coming today. i appreciate it. i know people will be available for individual questions on the side if you have any interest, but again, thanks so much for coming out today. i appreciate it. [ applause ]

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the city's future but for considering a career with the city and county of san francisco today we are going to talk about fire safety. we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. it's a wonderful display. a little house in the urban center exhibition center that shows what it's like in a home in san francisco after an earthquake. one of the major issues that we are going to face after earthquakes are fire hazard. we are happy to have the fire marshall join us

today. >> thank you. my pleasure. >> we talk about the san francisco earthquake that was a fire that mostly devastated the city. how do we avoid that kind of problem. how can we reduce fire hazard? >> the construction was a lot different. we don't expect what we had then. we want to make sure with the gas heaters that the gas is shut off. >> if you shut it off you are going to have no hot water or heat. be careful not to shut it off unless you smell gas. >> absolutely because once you do shut it off you should have the utility company come in and turn it back on. here is a mock up of a gas hear the on a house. where would we

find the gas meter? >> it should be in your garage. everyone should be familiar with where the gas meter is. >> one of the tools is a wrench, a crescent wrench. >> yes. the crescent wrench is good and this is a perfect example of how to have it so you can loosen it up and use it when you need it. >> okay. let's go inside to talk about fire safety. many of the issues here relate to fire, for example, we have a little smoke detector and i see you brought one here, a carbon monoxide smoke detector. >> this is a combination of smoke and carbon monoxide

detector. they are required in single homes now and in apartment buildings. if gas appliance is not burning properly this will alert you before the fumes buildup and will affect you negatively. >> this is a battery powered? >> this is a battery powered and it has a 10 year battery life. a lot of times you may have one or the other. if you put in just a carbon monoxide detector, it's important to have one of these too. every house should have a fire extinguisher, yes. >> one thing people expect to do when the power goes out after an earthquake about using candles. what would you

recommend? >> if you have a battery operated candle would be better to use. this kind of a candle, you wouldn't want it in an area where it can cause a fire or aftershock that it doesn't rollover. you definitely want to have this in a non-combustible surface. >> now, here we have our stove. after a significant earthquake we expect that we may have gas disrupted and so without gas in your home, how are you going to cook? >> well, i wouldn't recommend cooking inside of the house. you have to go outside and use a portable stove or something else.

>> so it wouldn't be safe to use your fireplace to cook? >> not at first. you should check it by a professional first. >> outside should be a safe place to cook as long as you stay away from buildings and doors and windows. >> yes. that will be fine. >> here we have some alternative cooking areas. >> you can barbecue and if you have a regular propane bark could barbecue. >> thank you for joining us. and thanks for this terrific space that you have in this exhibition space and thanks for helping san francisco stay

welcome to the november 15th, regular meeting. did i go too soon? .i'm supervisor safai, and to me is supervisor fewer and joining me is supervisor yee who is not here and my clerk is lisa wang and i thank charles kriminac from sfgov-tv for staffing this meeting. >> clerk: please silence all cellphones and complete speaker cards and documents to be part of the files to be submitted to the court and items will appear on a november 28th board of supervisors agenda l