and i'm in agreement with supervisor kim, human greed needs to be regulated. that's the job of the legislative branch and government of sfrans -- san francisco it's our job to people can thrive. we have an economy threatening the very health of people, the livelihood and threatening the very legacy of san francisco. i think, as i said, it's been an educational process. as i look and understand i think san francisco is doing what they knead to do. i think they need to go and do something and i don't know how we'll make them doing but we need to make them build their share of housing. a mayor said we had one high rise they wanted to build near

the bart station and people flipped out and they said you have to do your share because we're doing our share. what has happened is human greed has not been regulated. we have heard from people who are victims and about speculators and human greed has nod been speculated. there's enough money to go around. i think we have reached the point where we need to put controls up or we will not recognize ourselves as a city and county of san francisco. having said that i'll also want to emphasize how important a report like this is. it gives us something to really look at and hold ourselves accountable to. i want to say i don't think this build, build, build more housing

actually brings down the prices of housing just from looking at the data you gave me. after all the housing we built the rents have gone up crazy. that formula isn't working for folks. it's not working for the working-class folks of san francisco. thank you. >> thank you, supervisor. did you want to speak on two items? >> i just want to thank the supervisor for her comments and i hope people go down to where their proposing new projects and if you talk about asking other counties to build we should be looking at our neighbors counties building for jobs but

not enough for housing. second, the one thing i'd add to the supervisor how we're building for folks of higher income. one of the hardest part is it's not even going to those workers. they're getting bought up for real estate investment and sit empty. it would be great the market-race market-rate housing was going to workers but the supervisors have been looking for ways to control the vacancy rate issues and we're building housing that is not housing anybody. that's a larger discussion and nice to be continued. i do want to make a motion to file this item. supervisor i look forward to working with your staff as you

enumerated in your comments prior. i want to thank all of our community advocates for coming out today on the informational hearing. it's great to continue to see at our third hearing there's such an interest from community and you're holding our feet to the fire and making sure we're building housing at all income levels. thank you. >> the clerk: there's a motion to file both hearings. if we can do that without objection and we need to do a roll call because the house has changed. >> adopted without objection. >> the clerk: we'll do that without objection. >> the items are heard and filed with member tang and member kim voting aye and member peskin being absent at this time. >> the clerk: thank you, mr. clerk. >> supervisor tang: if we can call item seven. >> the clerk: we need item six.

>> supervisor: a motion for the resolution. motion to move forward item six to the board with recommendation without objection. >> the clerk: without objection with the member peskin being accent. >> supervisor tang: item seven, please. >> the clerk: [reading item seven] >> supervisor tang: thank you very much. i wanted to make one note because we may have a quorum issue i have speaker cards for number seven but we heard loud and clear all the comments with you made during the previous hearing items. i want to make note of that. i want to make sure we can get tie vote on item seven and i don't know if we have an appointment for supervisor on

the committee yet. with that colleagues do you have opening remarks about item seven? >> i do. so sorry. as we have heard during the previous two items we've been struggling to make afford ability in our housing stock. our city is becoming one for only the wealthy and we heard about increasing affordability and securing more development and identifying a permanent funding source for new investment and acquisition of new housing and a call to p preserve our housing. we face the costa-hawkins act

pre-empts control of rent. costa-hawkins prevents us in san san francisco to adequately address our housing issue. it's tied our hands in crafting rent control regulations to adequately dress our own housing crisis. members chui introduced the proposed bill to repeal the costa-hawkins rental housing act and get sacramento out of the way when it comes to making our communities more affordable by repealing costa-hawkins we'll

immediately change our rent control laws and will not immediately be changing the rent control laws but gives an opportunity to have discussion with the tenant and landlord communities about what makes sense in moving san francisco forward. i hope my colleagues will join me for ab1506. once passed we'll join cities like santa monica and berkeley to say now is the time to repeal costa-hawkins. >> supervisor tang: thank you. supervisor kim? >> i want to concur. i know i was brought in but i have a meeting in 15 minutes and i don't know if there'll be quorum issues. i wanted to give public advance notice but i'll be supporting the resolution.

>> supervisor: thank you for that. i'll echo that as well. again, if we heard from you earlier -- i won't prohibit you from coming up but i want to let you know we want to get to the vote and i'm sure you do too. with that said i have a stack here. if you still want to come up and speak and you haven't done so already please come on up now. >> excuse me, when does supervisor kim have to leave? >> in about 15 minutes. >> all right. please come on up if you'd like to speak and let's begin. >> good afternoon. jordan davis once again speaking for myself and i'm a tenant and district 6 residents that think costa-hawkins should be tossed into history. i have to hear about screaming about raising rents and we call for safety improvements. i have to deal with my tenant advocates for blaming me for

rents on 6th street yet they'll raise them any way because the awful law hobbles the ability for rent control. we can't do anything about the conversion of low-end residential unless we have vacancy control. about a month ago i traveled to sacramento and heard small property owners whining how vacancy control is allowed they'll go out of business due to property tax increases. stop the lies. calling all california state legislators, we want our vacancy control. if landlords are raising rates for profit they're getting money for nothing with no less fees. if you like costa-hawkins then you hate san francisco. that's cities decide. repeal costa-hawkins.

>> i'm colet pricher. i'll be brief. i want to thank the supervisor for her impassioned words. i said it for me. like many here i'm one of the lucky ones and a homeowner and live in vernal heights and i'm not affected by the situation but i from friends that give to make it a community and these are the people we're losing every day. >> supervisor: thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> it seems repetitive but still important, i'm a nurse and senior and lived in the mission

over 40 years. in 1995 my partner and i were evicted. after 11 years in the mission and the landlord told us we were being evicted and then rescinded it. he hated living on the block but said it would be an owner moving eviction which never happened. one motivation was that once he got rid of us in our rent control, our affordable rent he could raise the rent any amount. we didn't know it then but we were lucky to be evicted in 1995 when there was still real affordable housing to be found. those days are gone. costa-hawkins including the know have a - has played a huge role in gentrification. many people i know mostly latino and african american families

and seniors and people with disabilities would still be in the city if not for costa hawkins. some accepted buyouts, some just left after being pressured by landlords and were to stressed or sick to fight. as a nurse i have to talk as a medical student did about a crucial concern. evictions and the threat of evictions lead to serious conditions, high blood pressure and high and low blood sugars and increased parkinson's disease and poor nutrition and insomnia and sometimes death. thank you very much. >> supervisor: thank you. next speaker, please. >> we're here from the eviction defense collaborative and we're here to show our support for the repeal of the costa-hawkins act. as employees, we're in a unique

position to be on the ground and respond to people who are receiving notices either a rent increase notice for costa-hawkins or the following uds. costa-hawkins is a huge more than a thorn in the side of rent control and there's some tactics landlords can use to avert rent control with costa-hawkins and just a quick example, situations where a tenant moves into a multi-unit building with maybe a shared kitchen or bathroom and the landlord scares the other tenants and when there's one left the building magically becomes a single-family home. there's either a 500% to 300% rent increase. the other situation i want to call attention to is where the

landlord alleges the tenant is no longer an original occupant and it's a height battle the tenant has to face and make the decision to undergo litigation and risk having the judgment on their record. they shouldn't have to go through that process. >> supervisor: i wanted to ask you a question about the situation you just described. next speaker, please. >> hi, i'm lena malbalm. i'm proud to support the resolution and fight for the repeal of the costa-hawkins housing act. my family was here and had to leave for the bay area due to

high rising rents. i'm holding down our roots. my mother told me i can come to concord but i choose to stay and fight. san francisco should be a city of investors and repealing costa-hawkins will help us move towards that vision again. thank you. >> i'm vanessa wagner. i have lived in san francisco eight years and i live in a building owned by veritas investment and i support the resolution. we have been the subject to lack of ventilation, pesticides, rodents, the list goes on. we demand stronger protections for the rent-control tenants for sure and i would like to repeal

costa-hawkins. thank you. >> my name is amina and i'm here speaking on behalf of all the t tenants facing issues which she spoke about. also, for our elderly facing rent increases because of costa-hawkins that are sometimes 300% beyond what they can afford. i would ask for to you kindly protect our children and our elderly and this is a moral issue and if you're not low or medium income the dollars only stretch so far to please repeal costa-hawkins. thank you. >> hi. my name is kate lase.

supervisor, i want to thank you for your passion. i feel there's somebody here who gets it. i lost my home. it wasn't a house, it was my home. i lost my rental home. i had to move out january 31 after a huge -- everything i had fight to keep my home. my landlord got us out of our apartment by taking the rent which was $3,591 to $8,500 that's almost triple and there no regulation to prevent her from doing that. there was no regulation to prevent her from telling me if you can't afford $8500 i have the legal right to kick you out and she did and i the city

allowed her to do it. there was nothing in place to hold her to that number. by that i mean, to get me out with the $8500 number and then once i moved out to rent it less than that. if she could have made it reasonable i could have got enough people in there to keep the apartment because it a four-bedroom so we were each paying about $900. we were providing that flat provided affordable housing for four people that one flat. we need to repeal costa-hawkins because if we don't we'll have more people homeless. i don't have a home yet. a month after i lost it my father died and two weeks later my father died and then i had to put my home in a nursing home. i have no children and no husband and nowhere to go. i've been here 25 years and this is my city. this is my home.

>> supervisor: thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> my name is tim i work with a collaborative for community services. today's actually my birthday and only thing i want for my birthday is for you all to give a good recommendation to do the right thing nor -- for the community. the thing costa-hawkins is gives a lot of incentive and reason to evict a lot of people whether by legal means or by harassment or other means. just think about it this way, imagine if there was no rent control starting today. what would happen to our city? i ask you keep that in mind and it's not the end all, be all but

with other laws like vacancy control you can create a san francisco for the people, by the people. thank you. >> supervisor: thank you very much and happy birthday. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. my name is guillaume bradley and i'm a tenant. i live in the sro. one of the better ones but i'm on ssi. okay. we haven't had a raise in four years for cost of or nothing. if we don't have rent control and our rent keeps going up but we keep the same money. i've been thinking about that and thinking about that. my landlord said there's nothing i can do about that. you're a good tenant but every time you look around i'm giving

out more and more money. we need that rent control. i hope and pray i'm speakering speaking for a lot of good people in there and i hope i speak for them when i say repealing that costa-hawkins act, that's a no-brainer. do what's right. okay. thank you. >> supervisor: thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, supervisor. first thank you, supervisor. you also made my day so thank you. it's about time we repeal costa-hawkins. i work with low-income families. i'm part of the action community network. the majority of families are low-income families and as a tena tenant organizer i've been through cases of costa-hawkins

and lots of other forms of eviction. it's about time we repeal costa-hawkins because to be honest i don't want to see another low-income family harass to make a decision of getting evicted or paying a high amount of rent but they have to be forced to work to get another job to afford their housing for a small box. we're already displaced from our homeland now is the time to really lets work together and push the state to repeal costa-hawkins. thank you.

>> supervisor: next speaker, please. >> costa-hawkins license to steal. repeal. >> and right now with costa-hawkins landlords have incentive to harass and evict to flip the room. it happens for women who don't respond to the sexual advances of the owners and we've seen bed bugs, bad building conditions. it's extremely important costa-hawkins is repeal and we can have real vacancy control.

>> supervisor: next speaker, please. >> i'm william johnson. i'm a vietnam vet. my fiancee was up here earlier. they tried to raise my rent $270. i'm set income. i'm a vietnam vet. i don't get no money or work on the side. i'm fighting it now. it's out of my budget. they haven't contacted me but i have 20 grandkids. none of them can come to my building overnight. it's rat infested, mice infested. all kinds of bugs in the food. we may $1700 a month for what? might as well live on the street. i was doing better on the street until i got hooked up with section 8.

i watched hundreds of vietnam vets come home and had nothing to do and killed themselves. couldn't get housing. i hung in there for 20 years and they finally gave me something. 40 years after the war was over and here i am. i'm not happy. costa-hawkins is no good. >> supervisor: thank you, sir. thank you for your service. i just want to thank everyone for coming out and sharing your stories and the work you're doing to help other tenants as well and helping consolidate your comments. any other members of the public who want to speak. seeing none, the public comment is closed. supervisors we have a motion. >> i'd like to move it forward with positive recommend to the full board. >> we'll do that without objection. happy birthday.

[cheering] >> supervisor: any other items today? >> the clerk: that completes the agenda. >> supervisor: thank you, we are adjourned.

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>> okay. thank you very much, everyone, for being here. i'm assembly member phil ping and 57 was for

all of us who spend time driving underneath 101 or 280. you see many spots that we wonder what could we be doing with these parcels, other than seeing them. i think the city was able to envision this many, many years ago with the skate park and dog park, which the city leased for 20 years at $4.8 million. and our bill allows the city to work with caltrains at a 30% of market rate. and these are not used or not really -- >> whew! >> exactly. there is excitement everywhere. we could have the wedding move

over here next. so we are very excited to work with our cities so we can make these underutilized parcels of land into parcels of land and open space. especially these neighborhoods, the land is very underutilized. a lot of this area is highly industrialized. you don't see parks. you don't have spaces where you can go play. i know the dogpatch this district has already taken a lead with the mission creek area with their volleyball courts and they have shown how we can do this and how it's going to be much more prevalent. i'm very excited to have worked with our city and bring this to our residents. it is the district bill for san francisco. i would like to thank ca ltrains and the mayor has talked about this but there are a couple of parcels that they've already identified at some point soon they've

negotiated and we can start the process of turning these vacant lots into open space and parks. so, with that, let me introduce our mayor, ed lee, who really worked with me hand in hand and championed this effort. thank you. >> let me say assembly bill 857 is a winner. i want to take this opportunity to thank. phil ting who spent years here and we're not only benefiting from his life but senator weiner and david and all those who contributed to making sure this bill didn't have a cingular purpose but multiple purpose. that's what i like about our

organization. when they are creating benefits, it's not just about one thing. it is multiple things. that's why people working in parks like former supervisor julie christiansen, people are working with our bicycle coalition, people are working with our parks alliance are all assembled together to say what can we get out of space? that, for many of us, has been dead space. you know, when you look at freeway land under the freeway, you're generally talking about assemblymen -- assemblages of people who are homeless, negative activity, maybe some industrial uses. and in a city as concentrated as san francisco, how do we creatively and innovatively use space that is kind of dead and inviting of a lot of negative activity in to really opened, creative, vibe rant spaces --

vibrant spaces? and i encourage everybody to participate. walk your dog down there. get a basketball court. get a volleyball court. maybe you even want to do a little boating, kayaking along the mission creek. if you walk down there, you'll see the best example we have today on how we turned space that was going to -- that has been very negative for all of the residents around there. and in conversations with new residents around that area created space that descamps laments what i -- that complements that park where everyone lives that is what we're doing with spaces around caltrains property and we're doing more in the much few years because of scott's leadership and scott and david chu but phil was the one that really turned the corner. because as kind of

small as it might be about the that and how it should be needs to have open space and needs to have it within a 10-minute walk, this is the most treative effort creative effort we can share. we have 10 spaces. and, by the way, they don't just get created overnight. with the partnership in the parks alliance, these are private spaces that will be taken care of 24/7. and i'd like -- more than "like." this is absolutely necessary in today's world where the housing crisis is impacting everything that we do. and we need to build more housing in areas that we've never built

before. but we need to have for that spacing the comp lap meantary open spaces. but we need to have for that spacing the complimentary open spaces. and a benefit that phil ting has allowed us to have the conversation that, if we're in a housing crisis, it is 10 times more of a crisis than those on our streets. an we need to have areas of temporary shelter to serve that. so, as can you tell, i'm excited about this for all of the right reasons. the people standing behind me informed this, these language changes to make sure that our parks, our bicycles, our way of life can continue with quality of life contributions that our open space has. and the mission creek sports complex is just one of many things that we've done through our recreation and park department in creating these opportunities for partnership was our private sector.

because when you -- when you go down there, you'll see people walking their dogs and people doing all of the things that were not done under caltrain's property for many years. and now we're getting an excitement that we are going to turn pretty dead negative spaces into really positive, vibrant open spaces and connect them up with the critical housing that we need. it's going to be, i think, a game-changer in san francisco to work at all of space under the freeway. some work and some don't, so we'll be very selective about them. but i think you're going to see a very good transformation on these dead spaces into very lively spaces. this will be i think the positive excitement we have with our delegation in san francisco that is making a difference, not just at the state level, but bringing back both the language to resources, to innovative approaches to making sure that our housing crisis is dealt with, our homeless crisis is dealt with, our open-space

challenges are dealt with in a very positive way. so i can't say enough about how 857's going to benefit from us. but you'll see the same thing happen in open. you'll see the same thing happening in san jose. because they are all suffering from negative uses of the freeways for inappropriate kind of tent cities where it's dangerous. you're going to see harm reduction because of the collaboration we have with all of the other agencies to make these spaces vibrant and useful for everyone. so phil ting, thank you for your leadership up there. and, of course, as chair of the appropriations committee, we're going to ask for more because we know we're going to get a lot out of 'ya. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you very much, mr. mayor, and to the entire city for working with us. next i wanted to introduce senator weiner, who was a partner in this every step of the way, myself, senator weiner,

and david chiu, so it is part of a team to make this happen. >> thank you, phil. so we have -- we are lucky that we have a very cohesive delegation, myself and david chiu in this era where southern california has so much population and representation, we really need to stick together so that we can -- san francisco can continue to punch up its weight class in sacramento, which we're continuing to do. so we look out for each other and we love to partner on these bills. he he want to thank phil for his leadership on 857 and i was happy to co-author it. this has been a terrific bill. i

think in recent years the theme in san francisco and other cities, we're trying to rediscover urbanism, trying to get away from the era where it was all about housing sprawl and moving away from public transportation and focusing on the needs of cars, not people. and now we are refocused on dense, compact housing and walkable neighborhoods and bike infrastructure and better public transportation, and rediscovering urban public space and one of the things we've been doing is rededicating land that was really car focused into people-focused places. so whether it is the paving the parks program with jane warner plaza in the castro or the noey town square where we turned the city into a park or what the city did with oct avia turning

it into a square. now this the freeways caused problems in the market, and potrero hill, dogpatch and we know that anything we can do to make them usable is great. and this bill will empower the city to be able to work with caltrain, to create new parks and to really invigorate these neighborhoods. so i'm really, really excited about this step and i know that san francisco will take the next step and actually make it a realty, so thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you, senator. next i want to bring up those who have been an advocate of the public land and that is around

urban areas and for communities that hasn't historically had much recreational space. mary? >> thank you so much. thank so you much, assembly member tang. i'm so excited to be here this mourn because somebody who grew up in san francisco and able to have ocean beach as my neighborhood park. this is a city of innovation. this is a city figuring out next year's, the next decade of issues and challenges. i'm super excited about your leadership. i like spending time in san francisco. and you have the cream of the crop in san francisco. you have innovative leaders who are figuring out ways to figure out these challenges and mayor lee and mr. weiner are champions of parks and open space. they know that being champions for parks and open space are being champions for climate resolution

and champions for all of that. and we have a organization that creates access to communities for access to nature for all. we do that with mayor lee on parks around the city including vodecker park a couple of miles away. and what this bill is starting to figure out is how we solve the issue of population growth, of the scarcaty of land for parks and open space, and the increase of costs for parks and open space. and this bill is solving -- it is beginning to be a piece of the puzzle to solve all of that an as we do work around the country, we are looking at this as a model in communities across the country and in communities across the state. this is an example of how your leadership in sacramento is responsible for passing impactable policies that are going to make a difference for real neighborhoods. this is

something that folks in their communities are going to feel. so we're very excited to have supported this bill, really excited about the passage and the governor's signature for ab-857 and grateful for senator ting, weiner and mayor lee's leadership on this. thank you. [ applause ] >> thank you, mary. next, i'd like to bring up former supervisor julie christiansen who is the executive director of the dog patch in northwest potrero green, north district. i think her district has really demonstrated how to make this a realty. they've established that in the neighborhood and they were one of the groups to reach out for this legislation to say hey, how can we help? we're very excited about this and finding ways to work together. these were neighborhoods that were historically filled with warehouses, not people. as we've torn down some of these warehouses and they've been

replaced with office space and housing, they've shown the way how we can do that responsibly. thank you. >> is it afternoon yet? good morning. so for those of you who want to follow this story a little further, i really welcome you to come to dogpatch to a place called progress park. it's between indiana and iowa between 23rd and 25th. it's ai lovely space. i have pictures of children swinging in it, people playing bocce an people working out. it was not built with the other budgets and clout with some of the other projects that senator weiner mentioned it was done with spit from the other neighborhoods who went to a chain-linked fence, a weed-choked lot where neighbors could gather and have open space. so please come down to progress park. this measure tackles two important issues that those of us involved in positive civic

planning struggle with. one is how do we mitigate the negative impact of our freeways that slights through our camping areas? the fires, the debris that collects in these spaces, especially as our residents and workplaces inch ever closer to those freeways. secondly, how do we provide open space and green space for the fastest-growing neighborhoods in san francisco, nearly all of which line those same transit cora ders. so senator ting's measure as the mayor said actually tackles two problems and puts this way ahead. we appreciate very much the heavy lifting that ca ltrain -- caltrain does and we have neighbors when they used to look out on other family residences

like theirs and they now face chain linked fence and razor wire and encampments. this is an opportunity to knit our neighborhoods back together. my common line is that these freeways severed our neighborhoods twice, once when the elevated freeways went in with their noise and their pollution and trash, but then a second time when the areas below the freeway were consigned to less optimal uses. potrero hill is cut off from vacant lots and rusted containers. this is an opportunity to get some of that back. we're very grateful for it. so my deep thanks to assembly member ting. he said he was going to do this his perseverance and determination paid off. we're grateful to all who have helped with this, mr. weiner and

assemblyman ting, we're grateful to have them. i'm grateful to the economic workforce and robin abhod is here and all of those who have worked with us and who will continue to work with us. i want to acknowledge jean and allahson from the green benefit district. the gbd is an amazing, amazing construct. neighbors who voted to assess themselves in order to spend extra funds to clean and green their neighborhood. and dogpatch is the first one that we know is the first to exist, dogpatch and potrero hill. so i'm happy to represent them. this is a great day. hopefully, we'll be having some of these in these parks before very long. thank you all for your interest. >> thank you. thank you, julie, again. it is proud to author 857, ab-857, which now allows the city to transform some of our freeway underpasses into parks. again, i think julie put it very

well. there are not always positive things that are happening under these underpasses. again, it's our opportunity for the neighborhoods, the neighborhoods of dogpatch, potrero hill to take over this land. so i want to thank everybody for coming today. i appreciate it. i know people will be available for individual questions on the side if you have any interest, but again, thanks so much for coming out today. i appreciate it. [ applause ]