for enforceable mitigation measures to control the impacts of construction and how these measures can be successfully coordinated among relevant city agencies. our concerns are will contractors be required to provide advance notice to neighbors work that will be especially disruptive, such as excavation, and demolition, noise, dust, debris, odors and vibration. street space permits will likely be necessary at the curb fronting properties on union and tailor streets for long periods of time. will any of the construction access for 3335 aladdin be provided through adjacent projects to 870 union street as suggested by the 3335 sponsor, such an arrangement would be expedited by the fact that the design permitting and construction services for these projects are provided by the

same firm. otherwise, this work will take place sequentially resulting in longer and more disruptive process. how about construction for 21012 aladby at the end of the alley be coordinated with similar work at 31 aladdin and 33335 aladdin which are both at the midpoint of the alley, and finally, how will the trucks, backhoes, dumpsters, debris boxes, and scaffolding access these site without blocking ingress and egress for the neighboring residents? in particular, what accommodations will be made during construction to maintain access for emergency response. so we have a neighbor near the end of the alley who is 99 years old and has required transport by ambulance in the past, so this access is really an important issue. thank you. >> president hillis: thank you. next speaker, please. >> president hillis and commissioners, my name is terry, and i reside on aladdin

terrace. 46 neighbors who live on aladdin terrace, tailor street and yunion street have signed petition opposing this project. we'd like to submit the petition and a block map to you today. the block map shows the subject property, and the number of neighbors at each property who have signed the petition. quoting from the petition, approval of the project as currently signed will a intensify negative impacts resulting from the insertion of private garages in a severely restricted alley and undermine decades of professional consideration and sound reasoning which form the basis of our planning guidelines and regulations for new development. commissioners, this project disregard established neighborhood character and must be reviewed taking this context into consideration. aladdin terrace is an alley. please deny the proposed garage and the approved scope of work in light of the many

alternatives of transportation readily available in this transit rich neighborhood and extensive scope of the renovations, sup proposals are neither necessary nor desirable. dr packet includes drawings of an existing and proposed elevations to 33 and 35 aladdin. including the garage doors shown in the main image on the right. however the garage was deleted from the project in a hear in october 2016. the image on the left shows the correct front elevation. this discrepancy is misleading and could cause some confusion in today's hearing when discussing the character and context of aladdin as the project w garage was replaced with a family room. we know there are eight signed copies of a form letter supporting the project. two of the signers are the founding partner and a former

partner of the developing mcment team. this pronl and the project and the 870 union project next door. -- three additional signers are an owner of 870 union and two abbott 2k4rd ee owners of units in the condo -- absentee owners of units in the condo. eight people signed the form letter supporting the project. 46 neighbors signed a petition opposing the project. none of these 46 neighbors have a business relationship with the developers. we respectfully ask this majority view is considered before another garage goes in on aladdin thank you. >> thank you.

any additional public comment in support of the dr? and if there's anybody else that would like to speak, please lineup on the screen side of the room. >> good afternoon, commissioners. my name is kriss bigelow, and i also live on aladdin terrace. our city, the densely packed neighborhoods in particular, people attempt to insert additional volume at the expense of what makes these neighborhoods so appealing. automatic automatic -- the better neighborhoods program says this about parking: it degrades the quality of urban places, takes up space.

the neighborhood has a walk score of 97. many public transit options with two cable car lines and seven bus lines within a three block radius. of course ride hail and chauffeurs are available at any location. we want to preserve the small scale pedestrian charm of our neighborhood and community and avoid setting a precedent fore developments and negative impacts on such alleys elsewhere in the city. in response to recommendations by the residential design team to minimize roof top features, the project was modified by substituting an access hatch for the proposed penthouse stair and pulling the roof deck back 5 feet from the edges of the building. this concern and attention to roof top features is well founded and should be extended to the sub standard space proposed for the fourth level master bedroom as well as the

pedestrian and communal atmosphere of aladdin terrace. disregard for this environment is demonstrated by a message from the sponsors last year. the dubious and uninvited results of the sprucing up, compared to the previous conditions are shown, ta-da, in the following images. we are seeking a balanced assessment -- a balanced assessment of opportunity to build and reasonable consideration of neighborhood context and character. another garage in this setting is neither necessary nor desirable. there is no compelling need to compromise the safety and intimate quality of life on aladdin terrace in exchange for convenience to absentee owners

of one particular property. please do not aplow this project to go through with either inadvise able use of the basement for habitable space or the proposed garage. thank you for your opportunity to express my concerns. >> president hillis: thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. teresa flanders from senior and disability action. i was actually here 14 months ago when the property at 870 union street, now known as 31 aladdin was being discussed in terms of, again, garages. i always it's a red flag for me when i see that there is some association with a particular developer and in this case, it was mr. riaz taplin who had

been involved in the 870 and he is an associate in this. and that is because of the serial evictions 14 months ago in terms of this particular developer. in this case, it made me look more intensive look into this particular address of 3335. looking at a project of adding two garages, an elevator, a roof deck, and a stair to the penthouse was in the initial plan. but all of this was under the guise of ageing in place, that these things would enable that to be a reality in the fauture. -- feature. my experience is most seniors are getting rid of their cars at a certain age rather than building garages to howuse car. union street, there's an

amazing transit corridor right there. it would be more important to have a curb side access to paratransit, can actually transport you to different places. classic accommodations seem to be missing in these plans, so i'm uncertain as to what this is truly about. again, always skeptical when a certain developer, serial evictor has been in play over time. in addition to this, there is permit for short-term rentals, so is -- are some of these things, these renovations, the addition of garages done for ageing in place or are they done to enhance the property for tourism? i think those are important questions. those are certainly concerns, and so i ask you to help support this group in terms of

this dr, that garages should not be built, should not affect this community in such a negative way. thank you very much. >> president hillis: thank you. next speaker, please. >> good evening, commissioners. kathleen courtney for the russian hill community association. these are a defining element in the san francisco landscape, particularly in the northeast quadrant of the city: russian hill, nob hill, north beech. aladdin tier as aladdin terrace is one of those communities. in a one block radius, there are over 20 alleys: eastman, grover, mccormick, lynch,

delgado, and many, many more. what you do today will set a president dense as to how the city looks at its alleys, protects its alleys. the planner stated quote, under the commissions pending new dr reform legislation, this project would not be referred to the commission as this project does not contain or create any exceptional or extraordinary circumstances. we couldn't disagree more. planning reviewed this process -- this project in isolation. it was a silo approach, a narrow approach that only looked at the project and did not consider the context, and the context in this proposed project is an alley, a narrow intimate unique part of the san francisco landscape. development of an alley should probably always be considered extraordinary and exceptional or at least subject to an additional review because of the significant ramifications

on all of the residents of the alley. regarding the proposed garages, this is a transit rich area. the 41 and 45 bus lines go up and down union. there are cable cars to the east and west, uber is always available. about a year ago, this commission approved a two car garage with an elevator on russell street. you approved that garage because the project sponsor had twins and wanted two cars in their home. and within a few months of your approval, the property was flipped and sold with the entitled garages. we urge you not to make a permanent decision that allows two garages based on a potential situation. please take dr. modify the project and remove the garages.

help maintain the quality of life on delgado -- or on aladdin. all of them are under jeopardy. >> president hillis: thank you. any additional comment in support of the dr? seeing none, project sponsor? welcome. >> i'm brian wilson . i'm the architect of the project. the proposed project involves the creation of two family sized units on a sub standard sized lot by combining the existing top floors of the structure into one unit and adding new living space within an existing unused stoirge level. as part of the restructuring of the building, the vertical circulation of the building has been reconfigured, including the addition of an elevator to

allow the residents to age in place. to accommodate the changes in circulation, the project includes 51 square feet of light fill in-fill. the existing building -- [ inaudible ] -- on a sub standard lot, regularizing the floor plate does require a variance on the west side of the building. the project actually improves the midblock open space. >> president hillis: can you go to the computer. is that it? >> that is it, yes. >> president hillis: you got it. >> hi. i'm lisa ester. the remodel of our home at 3335 aladdin terrace is designed to allow us and our tenant, all

senior citizens, to age in place, with independent access and to remain living in the homes and neighborhoods that we have loved and lived in for 15 years, so be able to live there as we grow older. a key goal of our project is to add a garage as you've heard so that we can in the coming decades continue to have the freedom to come and go with relative ease. our property is positioned on the uphill side of an extremely steep hill, requiring a stairs just to reach the basement, and a total of three flights of stairs to reach the top floor living space. already the simplest tasks of every day life, such as food shopping, and taking out the garbage are becoming more difficult. in terms of community impact, our project would reduce by two cars the demand for neighborhood street parking which is already at a premium. no other parking options are available to us except a commercial lot that's nearly a quarter mile away and five

stories downhill. the planning department as you've heard supports our proposed remodel, judging it appropriate and conformant to the city's regulations and guidelines. aladdin is and always has been a street shared by cars and pedestrians. the photo showed with the dr and shown today such as this one are misleading. one year ago, the department of public works and the fire department advised that the plants and furniture in the 12 foot wide street were an encroachment, creating a public safety hazard and subsequently all of the plants and furniture in the street were removed. for the 15 years that we've lived here, awilledin has always been a street used by cars. every resident, including the author of the dr request, frequently drive in and back out of the street to drop off passengers and groceries for

deliveries and to load their cars. we recently conducted an informal study of traffic on aladdin based on a local camera's video feed. during the first week in january , there were 15 to 20 vehicle trips on the street perday, about half of which were for drop off, meaning that half of these cars are backing out of the alley. the suggestion that a garage would increase traffic is simply incorrect. a garage would actually increase traffic since it eliminates for some cars to leave the alley after drop off. a garage would also significantly reduce the number of cars that need to dangerously back out of the street onto tailor street with its steep hill and limited visiblity. we think driving forward in both directions into and out of the street would be desirable to all parties for safety reasons. like all of our neighbors, including our friends, jim and mary ann, the dr requestors, we

value the tranquil quality of life on aladdin. it's part of what attracted us to it in the first place. during the two year planning process of this project we have heard many meeting,s listened to our neighbored and compromised when we could. >> clerk: thank you your time is up, but you do have a two minute rebuttal. >> thank you. >> president hillis: all right. so we'll open it up to public comment in support of the project. >> clerk: for those persons who are not part of the project team. go ahead. you can speak in any order. >> president hillis: go ahead.

you can speak. >> greetings. i am steve bain, and i'd like to speak in support of lisa and andy astor's plans for 3335 aladdin terrace. i am the resident currently residing at 35 aladdin terrace and have done so for 15 years. i am now 75 years and hope to continue living in the building with independent access. that is currently very difficult for me. i have serious arthritis in both knees and access to 35 aladdin terrace now involves one outdoor set of 11 stairs and two indoor sets of 12 and 17 stairs. getting groceries in and out is difficult, and i can no longer deal with taking the garbage bins in and out of the house.

lisa and andy's plans include a garage and building entrance at street level. this would allow me to successfully age in place in a new apartment planned for me. aladdin terrace is a lovely and convenient san francisco address, but getting in and out of our alley as well as our building grows more difficult. lisa and andy's plans would continue to let me reside this into old age. lisa and andy have consulted with me from the beginning. they have also consulted our neighbors and have reassured all of us that the project would preserve the unique character of aladdin terrace that all of us cherish. thank you. >> president hillis: thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi. i'm daniel merchant, and my

wife and i live at 870 union street and 31 aladdin terrace, and we're lisa and andy's immediate adjacent neighbor on aladdin. we can attest to the care and thoughtfulness that has gone into the planning of lisa and andy's project. when we were here a year ago in front of the commission, regarding our new ground up home on aladdin, the project faced opposition from several neighbors. only one of the neighbors has filed a dr against them. our project a year ago faced similar objections, and the commission ultimately determined that the parking for our new home should be located in our existing new garage fronting union street. lisa and andy do not have the unique through lot that we have. since there is no other access to their property, they will be driving in and out of aladdin, whether they have a garage or not. my wife wanted to be here to express her support as well, but she is still in the

hospital for the birth of our son yesterday. living next door to lisa and andy, raising a family, safety and traffic in aladdin alley are therefore major concerns for us. we would much concern residents in aladdin park safely in their garages. we would prefer they have dedicated parking for themselves and their tenants, rather than relying on total strangers from lyft and uber getting them around. i want to emphasize that aladdin is not a traffic alley, and has never been. i know for a fact that several residents have cars, and enthuse routinely drive down the alley, any way, and have even established their own ad hoc space at the end of it. we feel that safe parking will only improve the safety on the street. i rushed here this afternoon from the hospital because my

wife and i fully support lisa and andy's project, but also because we care about this community. we want to make sure that everyone here understand that we certainly intend to do all we can to accommodate our efforts regarding lisa and andy. assuming the timing of poeth projecpoeth -- both projects allow us to do so -- [ inaudible ] -- we know that not everyone here is in support of the projects, but we really do care about everyone's well-being and enjoyment of the neighbor. while everyone is hung up on this garage, we are concerned about keeping wonderful neighbors like andy and lisa, so just want to modify their home and age in place. >> president hillis: thank you.

congratulations. >> thank you. >> president hillis: next speaker, please. >> good evening. i'm joanne edwards. i'm a friend of lisa and andy, and i'm here to represent the view of their neighbors of some other friends who are out of the country but wish to express their support for the project. as neighbors and fellow senior citizens on aladdin terrace, we know only too well how difficult and challenging getting to and from aladdin terrace can be from the steep surrounding hills of tailor and union street. our physical limitations have made navigating the neighborhood nearly impossible and it is only because of the garage on our property that we have been able to age in place in our home and on the street we have loved and lived at for 44 years. we believe that andy and lisa as well as their tenant have the right to remain in their homes with independent access in their home as they age and that a garage will make this possible. we are long time residents, and

we cherish the unique characteristics of san francisco in general and aladdin terrace in particular. traffic on aladdin terrace already exists, with cars pulling in and dangerously backing out on the street, with deepg back up sounds a frequent occurrence. in fact since we put our garage in 11 years ago, there is less traffic on the alley as people used to park multiple cars with mch jockeying back and forth and people needed to leave. the addition of this garage will actually help with the safety on the street as fewer instances with backing out will occur and multiple trips from pick ups and drop offs will be reduced. andy and lisa are an integral part of our small community on aladdin. andy was instrumental for organizing the block e-mail group for better communicating with all of us. regarding this project they have met with us and other neighbors various times and have heard concerns. they have modified their

project to address those concerns. like other neighbors, we will be impacted by the inconvenience of construction and while we don't look forward to that, we don't think that this is an appropriate reason to object to the sound and reasonable project. we have requested that any efforts be made to coordinate with the project directly adjacent to theirs at 31 aladdin, and they have agreed to do this as possible. we support this project wholeheartedly. respectfully, steven and beth pinsky. >> president hillis: thank you. any additional comments in support of the project? seeing none, we'll close public comment. two minute rebuttal for the dr requestor. >> thank you. sorry, danny left because i would have wished him congratulations. in regards to that, we intend this place to be our residence, and it has been our desire to

age in place. i've heard this statement a number of times now. and i wonder about that because there are plenty of people on that alleyway who don't have garages, including a 99-year-old woman, and we don't have garages, 1k3 we intend to age in place. i don't think having a garage is necessarily essential. it's a matter of opinion and preference. what does bother me more is that the minimum clear space for the entry door, the exterior landing and accessible path from the front door to the elevator, the elevator access to all floors of both units, and the elevator cab with clear floor dimensions sized for accessible -- these are thing that's would probably need to be addressed. i think that lower unit which has been described as sub

enteranean to some extent is not designed for a master bedroom with ageing in place. i think allowing better access to that lower floor, getting rid of the garages and making that a real livable space makes a lot more sense, and access obviously to the upper floors with an elevator. lastly, i want to say, i don't have any problem, and i don't think most people in -- on our side so to speak, have a problem with the overall scope of what they're trying to do, creating a space to live in. we totally support them. the envelope isn't really changing. it's not going left and right, it's going up and down a little bit, but make it make sense. thank you. >> president hillis: thank you. project sponsor. you've got a two minute rebuttal. >> so i'll quickly address the questions about the quality of

open space being provided. so this is the existing rear yard with stair and available open space to the property, prepared project with the deck as described as creating a drainage ditch, creates open space at the same level as the grade. the lower unit is a full second floor flat, and it does open up to this court, so it has light on boyds and direct access to this open space. >> i'm mike shenkman, principle construct tor. noah has replaced rias in this project, i just want to clarify that, for those of you who say that the developer was the same developer who built on tailor.

>> thampgz, mike. generally speaking, i will limit my comment to say that i really appreciate some of the comments that i heard from the opposition today, and i also really object to some of the innuendo and the sort of trial by insinuation, but i'll leave it at that. i think we've made clear that aladdin is not a garden, nor it is a broadway. it's somewhere in between. it's an alley. we all know that. it's an unusual street. it's a relatively flat street running on and off one of the steeper streets of the city. it has significant access challenges which is why four of the possible six places that a garage could fit have garages today. we hope that we've been fact based in our arguments and that we've made or views clear. aladdin is not a park, it's a

city street, no matter how modest the traffic may be. the purpose of the prochblg je to able in place. >> president hillis: we'll open it up to commissioner comments and questions. commissioner richards? >> vice president richards: so i guess i'll about provocative here. as i sat her listening to all of these arguments, i recalled a case that we heard probably six months ago. it was a woman in haights alley who filed a dr on her neighbor in another alley who tried to jam 20 pounds in a ten pound box, and we disapproved the project entirely, saying to the sponsor, perhaps this isn't the house for you anymore, going to

these extraordinary length to age in place, excavate how many cubic yards of dirt at great expense. i actually question the whole why do you even want to do this project, to be honest with you, and i'm kind of sitting here struggling, saying this reminds me of the one we disapproved, and that's where i'm leaning. >> president hillis: commissioner moore. >> commissioner moore: there is a few points that i'd like to make. first, the building is a de facto dem litigation, let's be real. i think anybody living in the building would have to be moved out of there quite sometime. one is a tenant, the other is the owners, questions who do you do with the tenant in the

meantime. that said, digging down in order to get the proper clearance for the garage at excessive cost, seems to me i put in question what the real intent is, particularly when the project from my speaker techtive just objectively looking at it -- perspective, just objectively looking at it -- [ inaudible ] -- it's not ada compliant, which is not required, either anything which resembles universal design principles which are applied with a dimensional design adjustment when you speak of navigatablity and ageing. none of is that's here in front of us, but spending that much money and not making any concession to those principles basically raises the question, what is the real purpose here?

i'll let that sit in the room, because i think there is a real question of ageing in place without delivering what is truly recognizable of what the unit is designed to accommodate that. the next point is, for example, the tenant who spoke and indeed is ageing in place does not even have access from the lower floor. the elevator does not allow him access at the lower unit to go directly in his unit. he has to come to go to the next floor up and then walk into his bedroom, which given mobility indications that he mentioned here in front of us makes that somewhat disingenuous. so he has to walk down the stairs, and his unit is not really accessible for his ageing in place. so that is said in light of the fact that the window indeed, that the building indeed, the bedroom has a very small window. it's over hung by a deck which

is not even properly shown here, and the bedroom is basically in a ditch. the next point i'd like to make is that the garage and access to parking from a 12-foot-wide alley will require multiple movements when you come out of 12-foot and make a right-hand turn, a sharp right angle turn. you have to make multiple movements in order to get in there. that applies as to whether or not you are backing in or you are going out forward. whichever way you do it, you have to basically jigle yourself in that space, but i think is a detriment to the alley. i think in the past it was a mistake to add garages there should not be repeated, and i believe that the argument we went to in november novembe--

was it, 2016, i believe? the hold for me is that it should not be done. and the project, i think, could be approved as a -- as an enlarged residence but without parking, and i think i would also very very critically look at the necessity of a roof deck -- at least not one that's accessed by an elevator with all of the accoutrements that come with that. >> president hillis: commissioner melgar? >> commissioner melgar: that was my thought as i was looking at the plans and trying to do math in my head. it's hard for me to see how a car would get in there unless it was a very small car. and you know there's -- there's a sidewalk on the other side of the alley, but not on the side of the project. so i'm wondering, you know,

like, if you're backing in and doing multiple jiggering just to get in, if that would be a hazard. so i'm -- i'm having a hard time, you know, thinking of how this could even work? but i heard one of the folks who spoke in favor of the project speaking for the -- for steven and beth pinsky. they already have a garage on the alley? what -- what address is that? 17... >> president hillis: farther back. it's past you, towards the end. it's not even a cul-de-sac, so yeah, there's one garage back there, and then, there's those three or four in the front that were added to that condo

building. >> commissioner melgar: show me -- [ inaudible ] >> commissioner melgar: i can't even imagine. i'm leaning towards not even approving this. i think, you know, that the enlargement is fine. i also have some issues with the floor plan but, you know, i trust that you're ageing in place. i would, you know, approve the project as the renovation and the enlargement of the living space but not the garages. >> vice president richards: the roof deck. >> president hillis: so just beyond this, i think -- >> commissioner melgar: they need it, don't they, because of the open space. >> president hillis: it's pretty small. there's no open space here, so i think a roof deck is appropriate. it's a small lot with relatively large -- large building on it. you're squeezing a lot in there. the question to me is whether parking is appropriate here,

and, you know, i drove down there myself and had to back out which is not a fun thing to do. but i, too, can't imagine trying to pull into the garage. and i know planning has kind of divided this up, which it looks like two garages, and i think it's appropriate, what we tend to do from a designed standpoint, but i think that makes it harder. so the question is, you know -- it's obviously a code compliant project, but is this an extraordinary circumstance? and i think what tips it for me on that is just the size of aladdin and kind of how it's used and what's there currently. in -- and i think also without a garage, you've got a better project. you know, instead of -- there aren't many places around the city, even kind of streets that don't have a lot of traffic where you can actually have

active frontage on the ground floor on the front. i mean, typically, we see a garage and a stoop, but on this street, you could have that master bedroom that's currently in the back in the front or a living space, because it's a fairly sleepy street. granted, there are cars coming. i'm sure there was a car parked in the back that somebody had. i'm sure neighbors do that from time to time. but to me, i think there is an extraordinary circumstance here with the garage. i think you end up with a better project without it. we often find ourselves in this position, do we kind of change our mind because of a personal situation, and you know, we're making a land use decision, so i think that's got to be a high bar for us to kind of make that adjustment. so i think the rest of the project is great. what you're doing to this, i think especially with a more active ground floor, allows you

to add to aladdin on this, but i would support taking dr and taking out the garage and just allow you to modify the living space. >> is there a certain size this roof deck has to be to fulfill an open space requirement or -- or not? >> so the subject property is currently deficient in regard to usable open space, to the provision of any usable open space will only bring it closer into compliance with the code so no. it could be smaller than what is currently on the plan and still -- it would still be bringing the property closer in cliens with the code. >> -- compliance with the code. >> i'm not prepared to tell you

what the requires square footage would be. the deck off the unit in the back, that is off the private open space, and that provides the requirement. the size and square footage of it, i don't have it right in front of me. >> president hillis: i'd just note the roof deck's set back on all levels by 5 feet. kind of it does what we ask for in an area that does not have a ton of open space or a lot that doesn't have, you know, any additional open space. commissioner moore? >> commissioner moore: so didn't you open your presentation by saying you can internalized the stair but you had also reduced the roof deck? i heard you say that in the beginning. would you tell me what you meant by that? i'd like to see a drawing. you showed the rear elevation where the stair was internalized, but i'd like to see the drawing by which you also spoke withabout a reducedf deck. >> so the stair that's now at the back is now in the house, and there is a roof hatch.

this originally as a penthouse. that was reduced down in discussions with the neighbor. became a hatch, and then, the roof deck itself was the full perimeter and that was set back 5 feet. >> commissioner moore: we still need to think about the fact that we have bedrooms looking toward the house, right into the building on union street, and that we have living rooms looking right across the alley, so you are 17 feet away from the living space across the alley, and you are even closer to the rear of the other buildings of union street. so what i would like to suggest is bring in the deck from both north and south by an additional 3 feet. that would allow a person who stands on the deck not to really have personal recognition anymore in looking into -- into other people's

rooms and recognizing people. that's what i would ask. >> president hillis: commissioner richards? >> vice president richards: i'm a little bit confused. we had other dr's where personal space or recognition, you could see it at 25 or 65 feet. what is it? >> commissioner moore: it is that way, but just giving it a little bit more room and having -- having the ability to just notice a demarkation. in dense neighborhoods, it's never quite the dimension you should have, but i'm trying to get a -- >> vice president richards: sure. the roof deck's 477 square feet. it's a huge roof deck. i guess the question is what's the prevalence of roof decks in the neighborhood? >> commissioner moore: go on goog google. >> vice president richards: i'll look at that. they're all over. please speak in the mic.

we're for the record. >> the roof decks in the area are very common, both with glass walls and with solid walls, and they're sort of spotty all over, and i'd just like to -- >> vice president richards: the administrator is sewihowine to google overhead, and there's none. >> no, there's not none. there's one in the building next to us. there's -- no, there are not none: we're not making it up. there's one on the building with the three garages on it. there's one. >> president hillis: there are some. >> you have to talk into the mic, please. >> president hillis: come and talk into the mic. >> as andy was going to say, this one on the corner with the

six garages, so that's the one that's on aladdin and tailor, so that would be -- taylor, and the pinsky's -- i think i'm pointing at the pinsky's place, so there's this one, and there's this one, and this one is the proposed subject property. >> there's also one approved for 870 union. >> vice president richards: i'd support a roof deck, but i'd support one smaller. 500 square feet is huge. >> president hillis: commissioner fong? >> commissioner fong: i was about to attempt a motion. >> commissioner moore: yeah, i'd make a motion to pull in the roof deck an additional 5 feet. >> vice president richards: on all sides? >> commissioner moore: yeah, on all sides.

>> as i understood it, it was an additional 3 foot on the north and south. >> commissioner moore: yust. >> clerk: just the north and south. >> commissioner moore: the motion is to take dr and deny the garage. >> clerk: very good. do i hear a second? was that commissioner richards? >> vice president richards: yes. >> clerk: commissioners, that's a motion and second. >> vice president richards: that's 477. >> president hillis: can you tell us the width of the roof deck? i think we typically bring in roof decks 5 feet from property lines. it seems extraordinary. i don't see nn extraordinary that we'd take an additional 3 feet when our regular practice is take it in 5 feet and there's no real opposition to it. again, if we're making planning

decisions in the future -- >> there's no open space in this back yard richards. >> and that's the thing. let's be reasonable with the amount of open space. >> president hillis: i think it is reasonable. i think they've done what we've asked many to do, which is bring in 5 feet on either side: it is 5 feet. it's 5 feet from the property line currently on all sides. >> vice president richards: 50 square feet. at 500 square feet, we're taking it in 10%. >> president hillis: the neighbors don't care. it's what we typically do 5 feet from all sides.

it's not in the way of anybody. the property's on the other side of aladdin. i just think it's a little punitive. >> clerk: so just to be clear, it's already 5 feet in, and what's your motion. >> commissioner moore: pulling it in an additional 5 feet on the north and south side for the reasons of privacy, given on one side we have bedrooms and on the other side we have living quarters. >> president hillis: but it's a typical 20 foot lot, it leaves a 5 foot roof deck. >> i think staff looking at this applied the principles that the commission usually has here in setting it back 5 feet from the building wall, so i mean we've already done that reduction as perkind of standing commission practice. it's -- if the commission wants to do that further, you have the ability to do that. i know there's been some discussion about the impacts on the property zone, aladdin on the other side, but i do believe that the properties on aladdin are the same height or

lower, so i don't know that setting it back further is going to have any additional privacy protections. >> president hillis: commissioner melgar? >> commissioner melgar: yeah. i was just going to say i don't see a problem with the deck as it is. you know, just 5 foot on both sides, actually, on all sides, you know. >> president hillis: commissioner moore? >> commissioner moore: i do not have the aerial that you showed there. it's not in my package, and looking at the predominant pattern of the package of what's going on in the neighborhood, i believe that roof decks are typical, and i think when the roof decks become too large, you don't have -- they set a pattern that i find kind of not really conducive for the dense neighborhood in which these people are living. so i think still having roof

decks, still enjoying great views, and enjoying outdoor open space is sufficient in a smaller amount of square footage, and so by taking this additional 5 feet in, i think we're still providing a very large roof deck, and that's the way i think it is. >> president hillis: so just to clarify, is you end up with a 5 foot wide roof deck. >> clerk: it would be from the front and from the rear. so the east and west would remain the same. >> commissioner moore: i'm not trying to make it narrow. i'm taking it away from the north and south. >> commissioner melgar: i'm sorry. one last thing i'm going to say. i'm looking at google map, and the property in the corner looks like it has a big roof deck, and it is 5 foot. that looks like it's a 5 foot -- >> commissioner moore: you're talking the one on taylor

street? >> commissioner melgar: but it's a long deck. it's mostly along aladdin. if we set it back 10 feet, it will be a little bit -- that will be -- that will follow the pattern. >> president hillis: commissioner fong? >> commissioner fong: thank you. i'm going to support a motion to not approve the garage and take dr, not approve the garage. i'm not going to support a motion to shringk reduce the roof deck, largely because the dr, that wasn't the issue. the issue is the garage primarily, and i believe there is no rear yard here. i hear you that there's never been a rear yard, but i think we're taking away a pretty significant piece of them as a family. it's a nice block. it's a great view. it would be nice to up there and for a family to enjoy that. >> commissioner moore: and since we are not having any elevator access to the roof because the garage is more important, so be it.

>> commissioner fong: thank you. >> commissioner fong: so based on that richa. >> vice president richards: i'll withdraw my second on her motion and second yours. >> clerk: commissioners, there's been a motion to take dr and second the motion on the proposed garage. on that motion. [ roll call. ] >> commissioner moore: i want to make sure that we are approving a roof deck with a hatch, not with an elevator. >> clerk: right, with the elevator and set back of roof deck on all sides. [ roll call. ] >> clerk: that motion passes unanimously 6-0. >> president hillis: the meeting's adjourned.

>> good afternoon, everyone. welcome to the san francisco board of supervisors meeting for tuesday, january 30, 2018. madame kle, please call the roll. >> thank you, madame president. [roll call] cohen not present.