to consume cannabis and alcohol on the same premises. you know, we're not there yet, but hopefully, we will get there. and certainly, i mean i'm not going out on much of a limb at all to say that i think there are a lot of people in the night life industry to figure out how to figure out how to allow that in a legal format. >> and i can just dove tail that. i think the state rules -- and it's not the local. local's been very positive, but i think a lot of the state rules are setup for our licens licensed permit holders, and i don't want to see -- consumption is so difficult to regulate inside a club, given the different ways that you can consume now, including breath mints and tongue strips and everything, so you know, i'm afraid we're going to see a world where on-site consumption is going to be -- it's not

impossible to police from a club standpoint, from our license holders, but it's very difficult, but i'm afraid those two things are going to come together and create problems for our license holders, but i realize this is more of a state -- these are more evof state issues. one other question: are you still accepting applications for equity -- >> one of the issues we worked on last year was creating a digital application process so we could support people who are seeking to find out a significant amount of information. it's a tremendous effort to incorporate some of our city platforms into that. what we put out either at the end of this month or april will be a minimum viable product that we will iterate over time.

>> when are you expecting that. >> the beginning of may, end of april. >> about the consumption rules, how about outdoor events and festivals? i guess that rula plies. >> yes. consumption is also restricted, and while it's restricted in public places, the state made a point of saying 1,000 feet from schools, youth care centers and child care centers, and if you know the dense nature of san francisco and the number of facilities that we have that would meet those sense of use definitions, that's pretty much nowhere. not really, but significantly covers a lot of the city. so parks -- parks is definitely an area where we'd have to be really cautious about that. >> so it would be up to the

event organizer to make sure that people are not smoking or do we then turn it over to local police or how does that -- well, how will local enforcement? >> i think education is definitely the responsibility of an organizer. the enforcement is part of the enforcement agency. so police is a component of that, and we all know that the enforcement component of consumption has been deprioritized in san francisco. there are some complications of that in general. i think it's more how can we be good stewards of our san francisco environment in recognizing that there are people around you that perhaps may not enjoy that as much as you and just be good neighbors in general. i think it's important to keep that in mind, as well. >> all right. thank you. >> all right. looks like there are no more comments from us. thank you for being here. just to reiterate what commissioner thomas said, i

think we're really looking forward to working with your office and ensuring that we can keep night life safe and fun. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. is there any public comment for miss elliott's report, the office of cannabis report? all right. seeing none, public comment's closed. there's no action there to take other than hear the presentation, so we'll move onto item number five. i believe -- >> our sum inspector is actually absent this evening, so we can skip that one. >> all right. we'll move onto item number six, the report from senior analyst, dylan rice. >> good evening, dylan rice. senior analyst, committee on cultural events. i know it's been a while since i've done an update, so a step back, i'm looking at 2018 as about deepening and expanding the work that i've already started to do, so that's

positioning and building my work or my role as a concierge for service or outdoor events, so presenters are more empowered with the tools and resources they need to be compliant and to -- to be safe and successful. it's also about, you know, increasing the transparency and reducing complexity so this idea of streamlining processes, and it's about educating event producers on best practices and obviously the rules. and obviously, like, fostering and expanding the network of event industry, professionals. and also, you know, we're always researching and looking for new ideas, right? so also, i'm interested in 2018, really, really sinking my teeth into some research about what are mr. legislative tools that we could look at to -- to

protect these community and cultural outdoor events from displacement? so, you know, is it -- in looking at things like the rdr model, looking at things like legacy business program. so i wanted to get that idea going, plant that seed now, and then, think about who are the -- the state holders in terms of department partners, as well as event special event

across city departments. so we are going to move forward, we're going to actually become now the owner of a shared citywide special event calendar, so we're looking to be in partnership with dem, and dem is still going to be sending out their daily or weekly sort of updates to all these partners, but the idea is we're going to ago ago

aggregate all of this data, but noncity partners like national park service, presidio, etcetera. this, i think is going to help sort of position us better in terms of a way to make a more informed decision about strategy and also, you know, advocate for us to be more of a hub for the industry. so that will take place by the end of this month. just real quick, this will obviously be, like, a google-based document that is updated frequently that can be looked at by, you know, all these agencies that, you know, really need to have situational awareness, or we just need to know, like, where are these

resources really being allocated? >> that calendar shared publicly or really just with the departments or staff? >> right now, it would just be with departments. >> okay. >> but i -- you know, i think somewhere down the road, it could become something like a data sf situation where it is more public. and then, we're going to do another sf outdoor events. we're going to do them quarterly. i'm looking to do one in the spring, looking for a venue and a topic. so i will let you know when that happens. and then, just ongoing stuff. i'm doing technical assistance, testify gas stational assistance for people trying to navigate all the rules. and then, we've been -- now that we have the new website and new applications rolled out, we've had to do a little bit of tweaks. we've had some questions and feedback from event producers on how to improve things in

terms of doncontent and designo i've been helping maggie and crystal with that, as well. and that is all i have. >> questions? commission commissioner lee, go. >> so on the calendar, all the events, is it how you go to sf gov, the regular sf gov, and you get all the menus? so there's a lot of people that might want to know when a thing is happening at certain times, the chinese new year, when that's happening. every week, it changes? do you make a recommend or how does that get on? >> i don't know if you want to speak to this? >> i was just -- i think dylan mentioned it, but i think this

first rendition of this is made more for private uses within the departments, but, you know, down the line, it could become a public calendar. but the real impetus is to get situational awareness on all these things that are taking place at one time. so the scope is going to be around emergency management and being able to have first responder agencies have access to that data. and you know, we, i think, could be the hub of that, and we would like to be. so i don't know if it would even visually show, you know, what a member of the public, especially a tourist might be looking for. >> or not maybe so much detail, but the event itself. like, a calendar of city events that there's applications in. it could be a nonprofit, nonprofit, you know, made an application, and there might be a little block party that people might be interested in and we don't know about. i thought maybe that could be distributed --

>> i think down the road, it might be, but in the beginning, it might have too much sensitive data for public comment. >> like, just a list. this weekend, and who the -- >> yeah, maybe down the road. not in the beginning. >> yeah. i think it's helpful for the public. >> dylan, i feel like either ben -- probably ben from oewd mentioned that sf travel might want to be a hub of information like that, rather than a city site. i don't know that tourists are really looking for fun thing to see do on sfgov. >> or even on our e.c. website. >> but do you know if there's any -- does that ring any bells? >> yeah. it's been a long time since we actually talked to sf travel. i'll bring it up again with them. they actually have a tool that you can actually list your event and get on their platforms. i think it's really a great tool, and i -- so that tool is in the forth coming guide, but that's something that i can

promote now through facebook or, you know, other ways to doing it. but yeah, i think whoever has the capacitor the expertise to really make this -- this public calendar really impactful, i think that's the question. you know, cause, like, you know, local wouldn't be going to sf travel site. and maybe it's just being better at connecting these smaller blogs with the data. so that's a good question. >> another project for another year. i just want to give you big kudos. i don't know if you've even been here a year yet. has it been a year? >> yes. it's been a little more than a year and a half. >> i know this is the biggest thing on your plate for that full year and a half, and to see it come to fruition, and i know it's still in the draft

form. i know it took a lot of research, a lot of talking to people, a lot of wrangling people that may not have been the most cooperative. i think it's going to be good for not only existing producers, but the mom and pop idea in the garage of having an idea of putting on a street festival. i think that's what the idea will be, helping to sprout these ideas more. and also kudos and thanks to commissioner perez. you are our secret weapon when it comes to graphic design and layout, so i think how we communicate the information that we have in a way that people can digest is really important, so thank you for always putting that -- that -- that skill into play over here. i don't know if commissioners have other questions for dylan. commissioner perez? >> just as a feedback, i think i've been doing community

organizations events for the last 12 years, and it took me about that long to really how to figure out how to navigate the different departments. how to go through the department process i think is going to be so helpful even for organizers out there, especially for those just starting out, and i think it will help stream line the other departments, and it helps us avoid all those last minute deadlines from organizers like me, who did not know that there are certain deadlines that need to be met. i think now having this resource, it will really empower and educate a lot of the organizers out there to be better at filing permits on time, so thank you. >> thank you. >> okay. it looks really fantastic. congratulations, yeah. it's been a long. it's been needed, and it's really great to actually see it. >> feels great. thank you very much. >> i just had to apply for a cu

for one of my bars, and if i had a guide like this, i would have been so happy. >> all right. i think that wraps up the commissioner comments and questions. is there any public comment on our senior analyst's report? seeing none, public comment's closed. item number seven is the police department comments and questions. i don't see anyone here from sf pd, so we'll move onto item number eight, which is a hearing and possible actions recording applications for permits under our jurisdiction as the entertainment commissions. >> so president tan, i believe we need to takeoff item 8-a, ec 1433 application, because there is a member of the public here who wanted to speak to public comment on that item. so maybe we take the consent agenda, item a, b first. >> all right. yeah. let's go ahead and just do as a procedural thing, do we need to vote on splitting it from

consent or... >> we might as well. >> okay. sure. can i take a motion for hearing these items separately? >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. there's a motion and second. >> okay. >> let's vote. [ roll call. ] >> president tan: all right. let's start off then by hearing about fon ophonobar. >> all right. so you want to do regular agenda first? >> i don't know if i'm looking at the wrong agenda. >> so -- yes. item 8-a is phonobar. that's the one that has a public comment; and then, item 8 -- >> oh, you want to do consent agenda first. >> yeah, i might as well. >> okay. let's just do that first. >> okay. so item 8 is ec-1434.

this is venga empanadas. they're looking for a limited live performance permit. t the department did recommend that they install security camera at the front entrance. i believe there was one other small item there...oh, and exterior building lighting. so do you have any questions on that one? >> president tan: all right. this is kept on the consent agenda, so unless there's additional questions, we can open it up for public comment and then just take a vote. >> okay. >> president tan: all right. is there any public comment

oven goon venga empanadas? okay. seeing none, let's take a vote. [ roll call. ] >> president tan: motion passes. congratulations. good luck. we'll now take on the regular agenda, phone oobar, which we' hear at a full permit. >> so this evening, we have phonobar, it's located right down the street, it's the old muca at 370 grove street, and they're going for a limited live performance permit, and they will have dj's on the premises. they do have food and beverages there, as well, so here to tell you more about their application and what their plans are is the owner, luke christopher lukasic, and i think he likes to be called

chuck. >> thank you commissioners for reviewing our application. i'd like to tell you what we're looking at and envisioning for the bar, as well as what we're doing to control the noise and sound. we did extensive neighborhood outreach, talked to a number of neighbors who lived directly across the street. as you might know just from your general knowledge of this neighborhood, there are very few residential spaces between goff and frank lynyklin. phonobar is a place for people to experience rare records on a mainstre mainstream hifi system thinking of this is sort of the alternative that's out there for most music venues, being entirely bars and focus

entirely on serving alcohol and music, or club spaces where there's very little seating room. so the way we envision it, this is a chance for me and many other people in the city who have extensive record collections to share them with the public, for people to discover music they might not otherwise discover, and the incentive for that is they can come and enjoy it on a sound system and at a fidelity level that people would never think of installing in their home. the company that we used for our installing system does not do public sound systems. they got their start as installing master systems for sound studios. we've been very careful in terms of how we've approached that. we've consulted with charles assaulter and associates, done

two site studies of the space, looking at the reverberations in the room, as well as looking at the dining and bar area of the space and come up with recommendations for us. some of those we've began to implement. those include the custom fabrication of custom curtains with stc-17 noise abatement fabric within the theater curtain. so these were custom-made and installed very recently to help with any transition through the windows. we also are looking at planning to adding additional glazing to the front of 370 grove street to stop noise where it is coming in and out, potentially through doors being opened, so we have two main egress. and looking at the additional glazing as a way in which to tackle any noise issues that come from that. in addition to that, we found that actually some of the reverberation and some of the noise that can be heard within the space is coming from a vent that we have running through the lounge area, so we've

tackled that and we've procured the appropriate materials to reduce the ventilation of that vent. as we see it right now, i don't know if we're allowed to invite people up. i'm not quite sure what the protocol is, but i would love to have andrew speak to his work and what he's done and witnessed and studied when can comes to our space, as well. >> yeah, you're welcome to bring additional speakers. >> so i think this study is also included in our application package chlth. >> hi, commission. my name is charles mckee from assaulter and associates. chuck brought us in a couple of months ago to take a look at the space. this is quite unique compared to what we normally deal with in terms of nightclub noise. this is basically a listening space for a limited number of people in a lounge environment rather than a nightclub. as a result, chuck was saying the sound system in there is very different to what we'd

normally see in a club. there isn't a huge amount of volume, but there's great clarity to it. that said, we still wanted to know if there was excessive noise break out from the space into the street. so we carried out some sound insulation testing from the lounge to the street and to the neighboring properties, and we found out that eechbl running running -- even running at 100 dbc in the central lounge, the music break out was still in compliance with the police code on the street directly outside and also on the neighboring properties across grove street. however, we did notice some noise leakage around certain areas of the facade, so we have provided some recommendations for improving that, because the whole point of this study is to make sure that we make the neighbors happy and not annoy them. and all the work that chuck

he's doing is aimed at doing that. i know a while -- maintaining a music level within a space, which is appropriate for what you want to do. i don't know if you have any questions. >> do you know what db level that they're hoping to set? >> i know, we were running at 100 dbc, which would be the maximum they'd ever want to go at, and that's more dance sort of clubby dance music, more than the sort of world music that they're looking at. but any way between sort of 96 and 100 would be the limits of what they sort of expect to run at. >> we agree with that. so we've actually had two events at the space, using one-night event permits to have music. one was for new year's eve, and the other one was on recently april 10th. april 10th, what we found -- this is using not nearly as sophisticated machinery as he has. we have a db meter in the j.

why the boo d.j. booth. i've installed that, and what we found on that night is sometimes the music was excessively loud to the d.j. pushing it to a level here or there, so we found that 90 -- you know, anything above 95 was troublesome both inside in terms of it being slightly too loud and not enjoyable for the vision and aim that we have, but also for creating those vibrations in an event that we talked about. so both of those, we are planning to tackle. one is through the purchase of a limiter. we have a great sound engineer. i have the specs of the model we plan to buy. as any -- this can become a very problematic point, so having the limiter and having the ability to set those levels and being able to set them

remotely, as well, that's good. >> what you're describing to me sounds a little bit more than just a limited live permit type of venue. is there a reason you're not going for a full place of entertainment? >> yeah. i've spent sometime at the planning department to look at our zoning. so we're actually in a p-zone because we're part of the performing arts garage, and we have yet to -- i've actually sent in a request for rulings to determine which zone we're in, so we actually sit between the hayes valley zone and the zone that's just above that. i can't remember the exact code for it. and so we've asked for a ruling because the distance to that back space is almost the same as to the center of grove street, which is where the measurements were taken from. so that is being the first step and the first hurdle for us to be able to apply for a full place of entertainment permit.

>> is that your goal in the future to -- >> we're not sure. we're hoping to have music as an implementation and supplementation to our venue. we don't see having entertainment as the most important part of our business. it's a complement to our brand and sort of the mission we set out to endeavor ourselves with, but in terms of it being a limited live performance, i think right now we're interested in seeing how it goes and seeing if we want to continue to pursue, if we have to, to get a conditional use permit from the planning department to then apply for that, or if it will be ruled to be in the zone where places of entertainment are principlely allowed. >> and the limited live performance permit only goes until 10:00. what are your plans to do from

10:00 to 2:00? >> my understanding is several times a year we would be able to get in life entertainment. the primary aim what we want to do is to showcase local talent. >> and that would -- in that ten -- and assuming you'll still keep the doors open after that? >> yeah. the bar will be open until 2:00. we have a liquor license. we have a restaurant, and we plan to keep the bar and kitchen open until 2:00, but yeah, we know the music has to end at 10:00. >> okay. i think the amount of work you're putting into it, hopefully the planning department does i is a you can have an actual place of entertainment there, because it's good work that you're putting into it, and i hate to cheapen what you're trying to do just because of the regulatory challenges that -- >> it's okay. i completely understand. it's actually been quite

interesting to me, i think just on a personal level to understand the ins and outs of how the city works and particularly around entertainment. >> great. you can write a book about it. [ please stand by for captioner switch ]

>> facility or customers standing out street side doing what they do, that becomes an issue. my concern is about accountability. who am i supposed to call? am i supposed to come back to the commission? do i call the police who have never shown up? contact an owner or manager who does little? we did have a chance to speak tonight and while there are acoustic testing i've not been contacted by this team.

here's a copy of me complaint to the department in regards to the license. thank you for your time. >> commissioner: thank you. [inaudible] >> commissioner: no, you may not at this time. is it to clarify something? >> was there a permit for live? and the previous -- >> there's no public comment on this. >> good evening, commissioners. i'm a registered lobbyist but

not here as a paid consultant. this is a limited live entertainment permit to 10:00. i would like to say these folks have taken some necessary proactive steps and hiring charlie halter is serious and something where you'll get data back and the good opportunity for the hearings is for the project sponsor and the neighbors to get together. it looks like a great opportunity but it should be passed and knows it's a prior history with someone else and operated not in the best interest and have adverse impacts. from the work these guys are doing, it gives me an early

indication if they were carpenters they'd be measuring twice and cutting once and it's an accessory not a primary use for the restaurant or their bar. so i am happy to say it looks like a good operation. commissioner -- >> commissioner: is there additional comment. what is your name? >> trent barry. i want to approach this from a slightly different angle. as the head of the hayes valley facebook page and hayes valley is the only place i've lived in san francisco and a person who lives on the block where the establishment exists. i want to give them props there was an article where they talked about hayes incessantly and

where to shop and eat and dine and the list they didn't give is the neighborhood list. when i travel to work and come back to san francisco and thank god i have a return ticket, i think where do i want to go in my neighborhood where i feel it's home and who's generally contributing beyond core commercialism. they've done outstanding job making this a neighborhood repository and they should be championed, and licensed, no pun intended, to continue their good works. and as the owner of a recording studio not too far from here i understand from a technical perspective the work they've done and give it my bona fide approval and it's solid. this is the kind of people we need in this neighborhood and hope we can encourage these guys from a neighborhood perspective. thank you for your time.

>> >> commissioner: any other public comment? seeing none, public comment's closed. the matter's now with the commission. would anyone like to make an additional comment before a motion? >> i just want to address the neighbor who was here. thank you for coming and you mentioned the accountable and you can call our commission if have you a complaint and you should be able to call them directly and they should part of their permit is they have to have the cell phone number ready and address the complaints of the neighbors. if they do not respond to you let us know and we'll take care of it. >> commissioner: you can also file complaints through 311.org or call directly to our staff.

i can tell you we've seen lots of instance where's there are business are bad actors or not great nightlife owners and operators that unfortunately give a site a bad rep and a particular place a bad rep and the new owner comes in and cleans it up and does the right improvements on it and runs the business in a professional and responsible manner and that has made all the difference for some neighbors. i'm hopeful this is going to be the case with foen o phone -- phonobar and i'm curious and interested in seeing what this can turn out to be. i did appreciate you've already done front-end work with sound at

aten ation and i'm willing to support this with the additional condition of a sound check from our staff to set a time limit. any other commissioners? >> so it's very obvious -- a limited live was set up that restaurants can do spotlight entertainment to promote happy hours and things. i appreciate the documentation here. i love documentation. it's obvious the previous owner took advantage of what the limited live is supposed to be. all your recordings are a lot of after 10:00. i don't think were aware you can call 3-1-1-and filed a complaint and now that they've spent the money for a sound

test, to hire this company is very expensive and most people for a limited live would do that and it shows some responsibility on the owner they want to get started correctly. now, beyond that it's a good test to see if they're going to be good neighbors. i think now that you know and you're here and now that they know there's a registered complaint you can monitor them and there's ways to get ahold of us and there is on our website the good neighbor policy and that should be abided by by all parties. with that it'd be more responsive if there's more issues and i'd like to support this permit to 10:00. >> would you like to turn that into a motion? >> commissioner: i can motion that. to approve the permit limited

live to 10:00 with the sound check and sound test from our inspector. >> commissioner: great. so let me rephrase it. you are moving to approve phonobar for their limited live performance permit and is stated at 10:00 so we don't need to reiterate that but with an additional sound check from our staff to set a sound limit, correct? >> correct. >> commissioner: is there a second. >> second. >> commissioner: thank you. any other discussions? if not, we'll take a vote. >> the clerk: commissioner lee. aye. commissioner perez, aye. >> the motion passes. good luck. i'm glad you have numbers but please keep that live. all right. we'll move on to item number 9 which i believe there is no item

number nine. >> the clerk: it's to the noise atenuatetion for the noise and commissioner lee wanted to add a particular condition. i hope you see it in your binder. these are the basic conditions on a residential review whether it's consent agenda or regular agenda. if you want to add anything to that for every time there's a place within 300 feet of a residential development now's the opportunity. >> the design consideration, i'd like to add a number three like

a lighting plan for the sidewalk to protect the residents and the patrons of the club. that would be my own addition to that is a lighting plan of some sort. so we'll phrase it in a way that the other sub conditions are phrased during the design please consider adding an outdoor lighting plan to protect residents and patrons. >> public safety considerations. >> the clerk: okay. was there anything else? take a minute to review it, if you want. >> commissioner: it seems when there's a sound test we don't approve of the time and date. is there a way to give more clarity on what we're looking

for? >> the clerk: this comes afterwards. they always arg and now you want to add that. sometimes they'll go on a wednesday night when it's not very much notice. >> the clerk: how do you want to phrase that because it could in based on reaching out to the places of entertainment within 300 feet to -- >> commissioner: to conduct a test that best represents a

quote, unquote busy evening both during the event and eventually following. >> we want to follow the peak. >> and after. >> the clerk: do you want to put a day on it because when i'm talking to these folks i'm always saying it should be a friday or saturday. >> we can say friday or saturday nights or when the next available show is coming. it could be just a concert hall not really a club. you could say or.

>> and commissioner tan pointed it out already because it's not happening consistently. maybe 90% of the event come or people that come up haven't done this correctly. i'm wondering if there's a way to clarify more. >> the clerk: there's public comment but maybe if we should capture peak sound from the place of entertainment or -- >> commissioner: do you want to give samples -- like as an example when the place opens -- >> the clerk: the place of entertainment. >> commissioner: i like that but it's up to you guys.

>> i think it would be really appropriate to mention recommending it on a friday or saturday evening. that's basically my first impression is looking up the day of the week. i never think it will be okay to do it on a tuesday, wednesday, thursday. >> my only question about that is they can pick a friday or saturday where there isn't an event. not everybody -- like the armory doesn't have an event every friday and saturday. you want to do friday and saturday and coordinate with the venues. >> commissioner: or contact the venue when there's an event.

>> the time most likely to generate complaints to us. [laughter] >> is that enough. >> totally. >> commissioner: this does come after the fact. i know when we were drafting these in the first place it was at a time when there were projects already in the pipeline basically ready for planning the seed and they were far enough along where they didn't have a sound requirement and i think that's partly why we built that in and over time we now have projects just starting as a concept and coming to us early enough where we can introduce it so it's not -- i think that particular condition isn't as

necessary and they kel us to do it at a certain date and time. >> commissioner: they come with -- >> commissioner: it's on the website. >> commissioner: but it's just wrong time. >> commissioner: part is just communicating with the wonderful people at salter and company. i told them, pro tip, next time you come before us, measure it on a saturday night. it may just be a good thing to communicate back to them. okay. >> commissioner: and to communicate that to be sure they're talking to their folks about that before it comes to us.

>> the clerk: so did you guys want to make a motion to add the changes or see a draft form of the changes and vote on a future date? >> commissioner: i think seeing the draft will be fine. i think you'll capture the gist of the words. >> the clerk: okay. >> commissioner: great. thank you for bringing this up. i know it's been something we've bookmarked for a while. all right. is there public comment on our amendments to our noise at atennuation? >> some clubs are clustered next to each other. you have not just that particular venue but other venues nearby or people talking outside. in order to overcome the most adverse impacts you want the worst-case scenario. by giving people guidelines to

when to do the testing that way it's more realistic and you don't have to keep sending the sound guy back which is costly. i think being specific gives the project sponsor the guidelines they need to address their issues. >> commissioner: thank you. any additional public comment? >> andrew mckeith again. these are all excellent ideas, i think. ultimately we want the guidelines to only do it once. i mean, internally we have now decided we're going to do surveys on friday and saturday nights because too many times we did it on a wednesday night, largely because it's not terribly popular to ask somebody

to go out friday or saturday night at 2:00 in the morning to do the surveys and nobody really wants to do them but if that's what needs to be done, that the what needs to be done. i'm being honest here. also, at the same time the last speaker was saying we'll have a bar or a club closing at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning when there's still other clubs open from 2:00 to 4:00 so sometimes that 2:30 to 3:00 in the morning is the noisiest part of the night but has nothing to do with the venue so sometimes we can false positive readings but has nol -- nothing to do with the venue in question. it's difficult when the residential development is close to a number of different clubs because it's very difficult to isolate which is the noise source in question. but also as you were saying before about the need for the

survey we're seeing clients getting ahead. >> thank you for your perspective. there's no one to give public comment so i'll close public comment. we'll see if we can add it to the agenda the next time around and we can vote on it then. item 10 is commissioner comments and questions. anything from anyone up here? sometimes it's great to have the extra protection.

they're talking about people con gret -- congregating and with everybody coming out hanging out for ubers and they're talking and if you can take an extra step to protect the residents we don't have conflicts and phone calls later. that's why we want to take a sample of what it is like that when everybody's leaving. >> it's not the developer's job but the best way to combat false p positive is to communicate and when is a busy time to come.

>> commissioner: great. any other comments or questions? all right. doesn't seem like there's any. i'll go ahead and adjourn this meeting at 7:00. meeting at 7:00. have a good night, everyone.

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