and i can tell you right now that when we have our next meeting next week, that this is going to be a huge topic of discussion about what the nps is doing. and with sitting on the labor council comes union solidarity. it's not union solidarity here in the city with the maritimes only and the union trades, and the construction workers or the plumbers, it's union solidarity together, and we feel if that gets rubber stamped and approved tonight, that this will go to the labor council and be a huge contention. so we hope that you'll hold this over until we have further information with, again, the supplemental wage determination, and with what they want to do with the park cruise. thank you. >> thank you. vincent hoymickman.

>> hi. my name is vincent hickman, and i'm a member of spur, the san francisco panning and urban research association. and i cannot -- i cannot comment on a lot of the information that -- that you've heard about wages and that whole issue. so i am actually -- i'm commenting specifically on things that we support. while spur and npc have not taken a position on this project, we believe this project supports a lot of the goals that we have for the port and for the waterfront and for the city and for our national parks. one, it preserves historic structures. it provides increased revenue for the port or continued

revenue. it creates great public space on a heavily travelled promenade that will have 1.6, 1.8 million visitors, and at least 1.5 million general visitors. it's creating the traffic along the embarcadero and waterfront that we want to see along this waterfront. it's more people experiencing the national parks, which is a big goal of npca's, and provides a much better park experience. the current facility is kind of a substandard facility from a parks perspective, and this new one will not only create a better experience but hopefully also generate more revenue for the park service that they can use to maintain and update their if a ill ises. this project, we also feel, will help activate the waterfront with a maritime use

and make the port properties around it even more valuable so that you can enhance those and get other people to come in, and make investments there. and then, in terms of its impact on the city that it will also enhance the economy of san francisco by -- by further enhancing this great tourist resource that we have. so those are the reasons that we support this project. our understanding and my understanding on the other issues is -- is not as in depth as i think what you're going to hear from a lot of other people. so thank you. we urge you to approve this project to keep it from being delayed perhaps up to a year, it sounds like, if it's not approved shortly, so thank you. >> thank you. kathrin tritt.

>>. >> good evening, commissioners. thank you. my name is kathrin torre. i'm a fourth generation san franciscan, and i've served as the executiontive director for the national parks conserveancy. it turns out that i have a special relationships to the islands here in san francisco bay. i also serve on the board of the angel island immigration foundation and served as its first executive director, a project that i've been involved with for more than 20 years. although i speak here, my role as a san franciscan and my role with the conserveancy. you also know that pier 31 1/2

serves as a spot that allows visitors to experience angel island and alcatraz on the same day. as a community member, i've seen very powerfully the firsthand power of alcatraz and the stories, and the impact it has on the community from the conserveancy programs. our art in the parks program used national and local artists to illuminate the deeper and darker stories of alcatraz, including native american rights and modern america rights of justice and incarceration, but our art in the parks program is just one way that we are committed to making alcatraz relevant and of service to our local community. the conserveancy has a vast network of community partners in san francisco including over 94 schools and 120 community based organizations. we also sponsor community

access programs which makes visits affordable to thousands of community members every year, so alcatraz is more than a tourist destination. it's also an outdoor classroom for our youth, a place to explore contemporary issues on immigration. so ien current encourage you t the embarkation agreements that will lead to the revitalization of this area. it's a gateway for us to continue to explore these stories and continue to be of service to the citizens and community of san francisco. thank you. >> thank you. mark buell. >> thank you, commissioners. it's nice to be here again. my name is mark buell, and for 14 years, i've served on the board of the golden gate national park conserveancy, 12

of those years as the chair of the board. i watched over those years as the conserveancy raised in those particular years over $300 million for the national park. i think they're up well past 400 now, and some of the projects you'd be familiar with are crissy field and some of the improvements you're familiar with, the warming spot at crissy field, the golden gate bridge visitor center is a collaboration with the bridge district, and there's seven book stores around the bay area, and all this material is presented by the conserveancy. i mention it because they take great pride in how they edit what they sell and make sure it's of the highest quality. they make sure what they build is the highest quality. the lands-end visitors center

got an architectural award for the building that stands there. so coming down to the harbor to make an improvement for this embarkation, i believe, will be yet another great jewel for the port. i really believe that, and from that reason, i would urge you to approve this. now, i recognize that this is a long-standing issue with labor in san francisco that the material government has standards that preclude the park service from issuing a contract with a labor agreement by virtue of the federal rules, and so the challenge, it seems to me, for you, is to say, as openly and honestly is how do you get to the highest prevailing wage that can be incorporated in the contract so that you achieve to the agree you can, given federal rules, the best deal because you're getting such a wonderful deal in this collaboration between

the conserveancy and the national park. so with that, i thank you for your attention and your yeoman's work staying so late to do the people's job. thank you. >> thank you. is there any other public comment? [ inaudible ] >> you're welcome. okay. commissioner adams? >> first -- first of all, i appreciate everyone that has spoken on this issue, and i -- i think eventually, it will happen. for now, i would like to hold this issue over for 30 days, and i'll tell you why. i would like -- assistant from the park service said they got the proper wage determination from the department of labor. we need to see that. that's legitimate. it needs to be seen by the port, lane, and mike. you know, the ibu -- excuse me,

please, please, please, please. don't be rude, please. and then, that needs to be disseminated to the commission here. tom made a legitimate point about bay cruises. he made a legitimate point. he goes that red and white, blue and gold, everybody deserves a fair opportunity. mark is right about the park service when he said that you can't tell them who to hire, but they go out to bid. but i think everybody wants a fair bid, so i say we hold this over, colleagues, for 30 days. we get the information. elaine forbes, our director, has said she's going to look at all this, make a recommend ax, work wiax, -- recommendation, and come back, and we can get there. i appreciate everybody's work, but this is legitimate. when she said she just got it today, we need to look at the

information, make sure it's right, and i'd appreciate, colleagues, if you'd support me and we just hold it over for 30 days, if we can get all the information. i don't know how long it takes to get something back from the department of labor, but director forbes said she is going to check on that, and i would hope the ibu and others that you get the correct information so the department of labor, we can have all that information so we can have a discussion, but things need to be done right. tom, i appreciate it. i wish blue and gold had have been here. i wish patrick would have spoke, because the commission, we need to hear everybody, and we want to be fair. that's one thing about this commission. we want to be fair, we want it to be done right, so that's what i have to say, colleagues. >> thank you. commissioner woo ho? >> i would concur withholding it ovwithholding -- with holding it over. we've worked long and hard. from my standpoint, it's very

disappointing to find us today we have this issue. i understand from terms of all the public that has come up to speak, so i think we need to fie find out the information and figure out what is the way to solve the puzzle in trying to get to something that is more mouse welly acceptable to everybody involved. i think the other piece, which was a surprise for me today, having followed this topic for -- i don't know, it's been a long time -- was the bay cruises. that was not something i remember from previous presentations, so either i have a bad memory. that was a little bit of a surprise, but i think that's not the key topic here, because at some point, we do have an open market, and people can do various things here. i think the bigger issue is to get the information. i don't think that i -- i know we worked so hard in trying to work with the conserveancy and

the design of the visitor's center, and it sounded great. i know we've worked hard with the park service. we've done lots of hard work and collaboration, i'm just disappointed that we're not able to find ourselves able to cross the finish line, because i do they we all in our heart of hearts wants the project to go. we do want it to be a fair process, so whoever wants to bid on the ferry concession, there's equal opportunity for everybody. at this point, i don't think my conscience would allow me to sort of go ahead and trust that this is going to work out because we've had a couple of other hiccups looping the way on this project. this is not the first one, and it just seems like we can't get it to the finish line, and i agree with commissioner adams that we've got to get the answers to these questions before we finalize it, but we do want to get this done. >> commissioner adams? >> i'll share this with the

public, and so you know. the reason i didn't second it was because today, we all got a letter about maybe a potential lawsuit that was sent to the superintendent at the park service, and so i don't know what's going to happen with that, but a letter was sent. it goes all the way back from 12 years ago, talking about all the allegations about what the park service has done. president boston marathrandon to 12 years ago. we had the same issue happen then, and maybe she can talk about that, and they had to sue then to get everything. there was a letter, and i'm sure she can get up and say she got that letter today. i don't know if you know about that, but that's why i'm kind of gun shy, the port, i've got to think about where the port ease at and everything, so i

would like to take five, let the executive director, staff, and the commissions deal with it, come back in 30 days, but you weren't aware of this possible lawsuit that could be hanging over the national park service that was sent out, and we all received a letter today from an attorney. so i just wanted to tell you that. you need to know everything. it's not to put anything down, but i believe in pans parency. thank you. >> commission >> -- transparency. >> commissioner katz has recused herself, but i think this is a great project. we've come a long way, and it's taken a little bit, but we're here. if we can get this prevailing wage issue out -- i'm glad that we were here to discuss it today, and that everyone was able to be here and express their feelings, and it's

something we have to think about and know if it's included or not. we have to be fair. so i'm not sure we need to hold it over 30 days, but we need to hold it over until the staff can come back with the document either authorizing the locate of prevailing wage the prevail understand what we're doing here. >> i would actually recommend march 27th. i don't know how staff feels, but i feel like we need some more time to digest what we've seen before and to do due diligence, than to try to strife for a staff report on friday. i think march 27th which happens to be 30-days from today is the prefer calendar. >> i do not object. >> okay. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. >> item 14, new business. is there any new business? >> i have two items that i

jotted down. just let me go through my two, and then, please, we're going to update on clinco park on new progress, and we're going to bring each subcommittee back on a new report. is there any new business. >> i just wanted to request that we adjourn our meeting in memory of sharon hewlitt who was a force of nature, a grandmother to so many activists, changed a generation of lives, both by her mentorship of those who are out there doing good works, and by those whose lives she changed, and then also for joanie levy, another community activist, who's left a memory of san francisco. >> and let's adjourn in memory of the 17 young kids who were killed down in florida. >> is that a motion? >> so move zbld is thed.

>> is there a second? >> second. >> all in favor, say aye? >> all right. the meeting is adjourned. - >> san francisco is known worldwide for its atmospheric waterfront where spectacular views are by piers and sight and sounds are

xhanl changing we come to the here for exercise relax ball games entertainment, recreation market, exhilaration a wide variety of contributions easily enjoyed look up the bay the waterfront is boosting for activities boosting over 25 visitors every year the port of san francisco manages 7 may have million dollars of waterfront from hyde street and fisherman's wharf to the cargo terminals and name shoreline the architecture like pier 70 and the ferry building is here

for the embarcadero and a national treasure the port also supports 10 different maritime industries alongside with the recreational attractions making san francisco one of the most viable working waterfronts in the world but did you think that our waterfront faces serious challenges if earthquake to damage the seawall and the embarcadero roadway rising seawalls will cause flooding at high tides and major repairs to a safe many of the piers the port is at a critically turnl point time to plan for the future of san francisco's waterfront this year the port is updating

it's marts plan the plan working group to invite a wide variety of poichdz from the city and bayview and other advisory teams to share their expertise if intense and maritime operations the waterfront land use plan has guided the use and development of the lanes for the last 20 years major physical changes take place along the waterfront and now is the time to update the waterfront plan to continue improvements that will keep our waterfront vibrate, public and resilient the biggest challenges facing the waterfront are out the site an aging seawall along the embarcadero roadway and seawalls that will rise by 21 hundred to provide and productivity of tides seawall is built over weak soils

and mud the next earthquake will cause it to settle several feet without the urgent repairs that will damage the promenade and other things we've been fortunate over the last hundred years less than one foot of seawall over the next hundred years scientists say we'll have 6 feet of seawall rise imagine the pier 30/32 will be floated, the embarcadero will be flooded our transportation system is fog to be heavy impacts unfortunately, the port didn't have the financial resources to repair all the deteriorating piers let alone the adaptations for sea level rise. >> it is clear that the port can't pay for the seawall reinforcement or deal with the

sea level rise on its own needs to raise money to take care of the properties at take care of the maintenance on the properties no way absent anti funding the issues of sea level rise or the schematic conditions of seawall can be development. >> as studies talk about the seawall challenges the working group is look at the issues please come share our ideas about recreation, pier activities, shoreline habitat, historic preservation and transportation issues and viral protection. >> we know this planning process will not have one question and one answer we need the diversity of the opinions how people feel about san francisco waterfront and want to hear all the opinions. >> the challenges call for big decisions now is the time to explore now and creative ideas

to protect and preserve san francisco waterfront. >> now is the time to get involved to help to shape the future of our waterfront. >> we need the debate please come forward and engage in the process. >> this is your waterfront and this is your opportunity to get involved be part of solution help san francisco create the waterfront we want for the future. >> this is really to dream big and i think about what our waterfront looked like for all san franciscans today and generations to come. >> get involved with the planning process that will set the fraction for what is coming at the port. >> find for in upgrading dates on the ports website.

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i'm nicole and lindsey, i like the fresh air. when we sign up, it's always so gratifying. we want to be here. so i'm very excite ied to be here today. >> your volunteerism is appreciated most definitely. >> last year we were able to do

6,000 hours volunteering. without that we can't survive. volunteering is really important because we can't do this. it's important to understand and a concept of learning how to take care of this park. we have almost a 160 acres in the district 10 area. >> it's fun to come out here. >> we have a park. it's better to take some of the stuff off the fences so people can look at the park. >> the street, every time, our

friends. >> i think everybody should give back. we are very fortunate. we are successful with the company and it's time to give back. it's a great place for us. the weather is nice. no rain. beautiful san francisco. >> it's a great way to be able to have fun and give back and walk away with a great feeling. for more opportunities we have volunteering every single day of the week. get in touch with the parks and recreation center

this is a reminder to silence all electronic devices. fire commission meeting february 28th. the time is 5:02 p.m. roll call. (roll call).

item two. general public comment. members of the public may address the commission for three minutes on any matter within the jurisdiction and not on the agenda. they shall address to not individual commissioners or personnel. commissioners are not to enter debate or discussion with the speaker. lack every response did not necessarily constitute greet with or support of statements made during public comment. >> is there any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> item 3. approve of minutes and action t approve the meeting minutes

february 14, 2018. >> is there any public comment on february 14th meeting minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners what is your pleasure? >> so move, mr. chair. >> do i have a second? >> second, mr. president. >> all in favor of adopting the minutes as presented. >> item four chief of department report. report on current issues and activities and event since the fire commission meeting on february 14, 2018-inch concluding budget, special events communications, outreach to other government agencies and report from administration, deputy chief nicholson, report on administrative division, finance, support services, home land security and training within the department.

>> adam secretary please note commissioner veronese has joined us. >> this is my report since the last meeting on february 14th. as you know, thank you president cleaveland for cosigning the letter with me. we submitted the budget on february 21st. i appreciate the efforts and support of the commission. we were asking for 2.5% reduction in the 2018-2019 fiscal year. we were not able to meet that given a whole host of issues including increasing call volume and expenses to provide the service on a daily basis. we submitted the additional fte as directed for a grant writer.

we look forward to continuing to engage in discussions with mayor's budget overs. he needs to sub met the budget by june 1st. there will be back and forth discussions. i want to let you know on march 8th at 3:00 p.m. we have a time slot for members of our department including the budget committee to meet with the mayor's budget director before she goes out on leave and the invitation is open for any two of the commissioners that you deem appropriate to attend and participate in as well. that again is march 8th at 3:00 p.m. in relation to academies, we have an age 3 level one academy ongoing graduating on march 9th, 3:00 p.m. john adams campus. we entry the emts into our

department to work shifts at station 49. we did have a recent graduation of 123rd academy this month. we are in the process of selections for the 124th academy underway march 26th and that will become prosed of 54 members. 42 off the list and 12 from station 49. then to summarize since the last meeting, what we have been involved in. last week on a well deserved few days off the deputy chief and i met with local 78 as part of the monthly labor management meeting. on the 22nd prepared for the public safety hearing today which deputy chief participated in. had to do with the department of

technology as related to the red call boxes and some have been out of service so we can provide additional information on that if you want. we had a meeting with the recently appointed director of technology as well as the city administrator to prepare for the presentation today. on the 23rd last friday, deputy chief nicholson and i attended at the request and invitation of the agent firefighters association the coalition of asian-american government employees. the fire department was well represented. we wanted to show appreciation for those who support that event and purchases a table. on saturday the 24th i participated in opening day of the san francisco youth baseball league. baseball season for the boys and girls participating in baseball. we partner when i say we the

flame partners with park and rec, recreation and parks and the mayor and myself threw out the first pitch. they do a great job overseeing the flame program to make sure the kids that participate have a great experience. that evening, many of us attended the chinese new years parade for the five commissioners. it is the one commissioner hardy man hate to ement. your son was inducted into the hall of fame at his high school. congratulations to your son and thank you for participating with us. i would like to acknowledge the asian firefighters for putting

that together. it was enjoyable. later i attended the celebration of black american history event held at the marriott. that was a very well attended and enjoyable evening. one of my colleagues. the general manager of the public commission was recognized for his service to the city. he was happy to represent the department at that event. i did want to note that president cleaveland for your consideration for adjournment we -- a number of us attended the funeral service for the retired firefighter her man wyrsch. he retired in 1997 after 30 years. he had two son this is the department. one is currently active.

at station 36, battalion two and retired son. there were a number of us that attended the service on monday. the firefighter passed away on february 14th. we want to thank him for his years of service to the fire department and acknowledge his sons that contributed. upcoming the st. patrick's day parade next month on march 17th. all members and commissioners are invited to attend. thank you vice president for bringing to my attention spur, a wonderful organization recently acknowledged the fine work of the vice president last year. this yes, we have put in on several occasions and honorable mentions. one of the featured award es comes from the fire department for the good government awards.

he is not here tonight but i know you have met him. up sung he row very competent and that is i was delighted to nominate him and he was selected and the director helped me with write up. silt i it is basically a few ciy employees selected every year. he is going into this category that like i said is highly coveted and very well deserving. we are very proud of him. he does a great job for our department and troubleshooting across the other departments that we work with regularly including the department of emergency management and the controllers office as well. congratulations. we will attend to support him on

march 21st. that concludes my report. >> thank you, chief. is there any public comment on the chief's report? seeing none public comment is closed. commissioners. i don't see any name up here. commissioner covington. >> thank you, mr. president and thank you, chief, for your report. i would also like to add my thanks to the asian firefighters for hosting a wonderful banquet every year and thank you to the reserves and the cadets and other volunteers, many of whom are here with us this evening. it was a wonderful time. thank you. >> any other commissioners? okay. i just one question for the chief. we have the emt graduation on friday, a week from friday, and the question is how many new emt

recruits are we bringing in in the next class? when does that start? >> we selected 36. how many are graduating? >> how many recruiting for the next class? >> also between the range of 30 to 36. i believe our hiring goals are one class per fiscal year. i believe we have one scheduled for the early part of 2019. between 30 to 36. i need to nail down the number. we selected 36. i believe at least win has crossed my desk as not completed. in the 35 range nor next year. >> one emt class per year? >> correct. then in the next foreseeable couple of fiscal years. >> july l we could have one later this year, correct? >> we could. i think we are scheduled for

january. 2019. we are targeting one every fiscal year in the foreseeable couple of fiscal years. >> thank you, chief. seeing no further questions. we will move on to chief nicholson's report. welcome. >> i have missed you all. good evening, chief, and i would like to wish you a happy birthday. everybody knows it is the chief's birthday. [applause.] >> i'm older than you buy a few months. >> you are older by three mont months. all right. let's get the party started. let's talk about the division of training first. sadly, for us as you know the chief has retired. we have received applications

for his position and we will likely conduct interviews early next week. we are moving with that. on ti and at the dot on 19th and fulsome they are testing probationary firefighters and ems personnel. the live burn module is underway under the guidance of our new captain. he is running that and interacting with operations to get a handle on some of the further training needs going forward. he can further develop that training on treasure island. speaking of training, we have moved in conxboxes, shipping containers to trailer island from behind station 9 as we are clearing outback there, and those are also going to be used in the future for live burn

training. we will be utilizing some funds from our california firefighters joint apprentice committee. we get funds from them for the training that we do. we are going to use some of those for two new forcible entry props and to customize the live fire training and to send the staff to the memo park to undergo training to teach this class, operate the modules safely and effectively. this is important training because we have fewer fires. we need to be able to conduct this for everyone. we also conducted training with m un i on the light rail checks. safety lifting operations. when ever they bring a new model out we need to go through the training with them to make sure we can safely lift those cars in case somebody becomes eptrapped.

-- entrapped. >> there were over 20 trainings and presentations this month. fiery serves donated 332 hours of time in drills and other events. we appreciate that. thank you fire reserves. the assistant chief is working at the airport on live fire training for new members. she is looking at moffitt field to get that done. they are working with the academy of art to begin a partnership with video program to assist with training videos and psas and the like. we look forward to what that can result in. now for just some dry numbers from the investigative services borough. i don't know how to spruce it up

for you. all background investigations completed for the 124th class and for some alternates as well. 61 people in total. random drug and alcohol tests. 83 done all negative. three post accident testing all negative. the as assignment office continues to work diligently on a lot of projects, payroll and others. we just recently came out with a new general order for a hazardous materials and rescue squad relief pool list. this is going to better meet our operational needs. to keep people from having to travel across the see. we have people who are certified in everything that hazmat and the rescue squad needs at those stations so we have enough personnel. when i came in 24 years ago we

were still using carbon paper. i want to let you know that. for trades and all sorts of other things. we are just about ready to make all our trades between firefighters electronic. we are doing away with paper, saving trees and facilitating that work flow. the lieutenant eligible list is out not adopted yet. once it is adopted we will be selects members for permanent and acting positions to ease up on our daily details as well. support services. i will get into the health and safety portion. dpw issued a notice to proceed in order to i stall the remain -- install the remaining nine wash extractors. these were the most expensive stations to do. they were all put together in

one notice and, you know, they had plumbing issues and electrical issues. we have notice to proceed on that. that is great. i brought the chief and our health and safety crew along with me to the foundation meeting last week. we were talking about our tpe contract, and we are going to exclude car sin o genic and toxic chemicals. the chief reported to the cancer prevention foundation what we have been doing as administration to lower cancer risks, including things like using plant based renewable diesel fuel, electric and battery powered tools. we eliminate additional exhaust

at drills and on scene. it was a really good meeting, and i know we appreciate what the cancer prevention foundation has been doing for years. they are aware what we are doing to reduce cancer rates. i also spoke with adam wood from the union about the testing that they did on the members who went up north to the fires. there were 179 people total tested, not just from san francisco but from multiple departments deployed to that fire. they have completed the initial testing for heavy metals. then they will triage samples of the people based on who was deployed the longest. who had the most exposure. then they will do further testing on those people of additional chemicals and they hope to have those ready in may.

they are happy to would very much like to come and present to the commission their findings, if you would like that. station 16 due to be completed in september of 2018 and station 5 is delayed until december of 2018. that is due to unforeseen circumstances soil analysis and other things. the adf you had an update on. our latest update is demolition permit we just received today so we can go forward in april. we met with the arts commission to -- we have been working with a talented artist who was going to do the work for the adf, but it didn't speak to us. she was not a local artist.

it was too abstract for us. as firefighters we are grounded in reality and practicality. we worked with the arts commission and they are going to open it back up to people who had initially submitted their work. they are going to pick several more artists for us to choose from, taking into account what we presented to them in terms of what we would like to see. our first pilot program ambulance is in service. it was at the parade the other night. each week the vehicle will be evaluated by a different crew to get a lot of feedback from numerous members at station 49. we can dial in if it is going to work and if so how. working with the child land committee, we are looking to purchase five new rigs from the state to upgrade our fleet.

ems6. close to many of your hearts, i know. we have added ems 6:00 a.m. that member works 6:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. four days each week and deals with not some of the overflow but a lot of administrative tasks that were not getting met and interfacing with other groups in the city. that will improve efficiency and enable us to help more people on the street. the boe continues to work behind station 9 removing the conxboxes to treasure island and organizing the equipment. april or may for the adf. homeland security the chief has gotten started with several items. he finalized the memorandum of agreement with the u.s. coast

guard. we went out to have an emergency ops drill. he has been working with department of emergency management on the continuity of emergency plan. he is working on getting an incident management team up and running again. for prolonged disaster scenarios. ly start train there is as well. start with table top drills. he and chief rivera met inva in valejo with local 79 station 16 in regard to the dive boat and all parties are working with the manufacturer to make sure the boat works for us. it is due august, september. i don't want to give you a date

ahead of time and have it not come true. that concludes my report. i am happy to take any questions. >> thank you, chief. any public comment on the deputy chief's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner hardeman. >> thank you, mr. president. thanks for the very busy report. i don't know if this would be you or somebody like the chief but the artcle in the paper regarding the mutual aid in wildfires and requests for extra resources, we have now considered the standard for mutual aid in all states in the united states, california has, and now with a disastrous last

year, any comments that you would think? i know there was like a few hundred engines short of the request, but i don't know if there was little better communication if they would have got a few hundred more. most localities were concerned about coverage for their own. i don't know how interesting that was for you or if you paid attention or if you want to have somebody else talk about it. curious what further information you might have to share with us or where th the money would come from. >> i think this is becomes and will continue to be a problem for california as we see the northern california fires, southern california fires. at a certain point there are a

finite number of resources. cal fire is looking at alternatives to address a problem that is only going to grow. no easy answers at this point. i know each jurisdiction does the best that they can to assist for a mutual aid request. we have done our best. at a certain point i think there was a finite number of engines. i know division iii here is the chief was deployed that first night with the northern california wildfires. it is up to you to give a comment. we can get back. tom, mark. >> i think that night we did well when we knew we had to send somebody. tom and i spoke that night. he called me anticipating that we had to go. as far as statewide resources, i

mean it is challenging for the cities, municipalities that go to help cal fire. i think cal fire needs help from the state. it is more challenging as we go forward if the weather patterns continue the way they do. tom is our wild land official. i will let him speak on it as well. >> i think the bottom line is the economic downturn of 2008 to 2012 depleted a lot of departments recovering. you put that together with the increased request for additional resources. in 2003 the state put 1,000 fire engines on the road in 24 hours. the estimate is now 400 or 500 teams. on the morning of october 9th, there was a request for 60 strike teams or 300 engine also. only 120 or 140.

to your point a lot of departments have to cover the how many turf. they don't have the number of personnel to meet the needs. the $100 million would be for what we have done many years ago in days of red flag or high fire conditions to redeploy resources. currently there was not pockets to dip into for the resources. this would allow for in southern california there is a staging and in northern california there is one in williams. when you have critical fire conditions to pre-deploy and make the finances available for that to happen. there are a lot of hurdles to overcome financially for that to happen. >> we had nine deployed in northern california in the first few hours. nine joins. >> we put nine then another two or three after that. for region two, 16 counties, 10

years ago we would be able to put 35 strike team on the road in a short amount of time. on most days it is 18, 19, 20. we are 50% where we were 7, 8, , 9, 10 years ago. >> thank you. any further questions? >> that is exactly why i asked the question. the article went into how you described it. that is a disaster when you think about 12 or 15 years ago we could put twice as many rigs. that gives us more of a reasoning to want to support this. thanks, chief. >> thank you, commissioner. commissioner covington. >> just to follow up on commissioner