>> and at this time while we're waiting, we're going to excuse our student delegates. miss madison, are you ready?

>> yes, sir. >> okay. let's start the five minutes. >> yes. and i am looking at your timer. >> right. >> that's right. so we have organized ourselves in an effort to show collaboration across multiple perspectives. we are going to split our time into 2.5-minutes each. i'm going to speak for approximately one minute and 30 seconds. i know many of you as colleagues. i am marsha madison, parent of a first grader, and the bottom line that i would like to express to you tonight, and many of my friends from our school who are here, we have students, we have students who are up well past their bedtime right now. we have teachers who need to be ready to teach tomorrow morning spanning all of our grade levels. i want to emphasize spanning all of our grade levels,

including our special day class here tonight, showing their support of principal sarah van belzer. we urge you to not only renew the contract of sarah, but retain her at our school. her instructional leadership is impeccable, and we need her to continue to shine a light on the discrepancies that we've seen in our achievement rates at our school. she's doing something that hasn't been done before, and she has the backbone to do it. we need her at our school for the duration. [applause] >> i'm m 5 ry spalding. i'm a kindergarten through seventh grade day schoolteacher, and i would like to speak on behalf of the majority of teachers who signed

the letter addressed to the board who supported the renewal of miss van belzer's contract. there are 12 full-time teachers and ten of them are in support of her contract being renewed. all of those teachers could not make it to this meeting, however i would like the teacher that are present to standup and show your support for miss van belzer's contract being renewed. thank you. >> hello. my name is mirrian moore, and i'm the parent of a second grade teacher. i come into this discussion really recently, and so that's why i would like to give my perspective. i truly do not want to take a side. i love many people here that are supporting van belzer. with emotions so high, i feel it's really important to speak out for the community i love so

dearly. if i have to choose, then yes, i am a parent that has encountered some issues with the leadership at the moment. the first is involving a lack of transparency of information. my daughter who speaks german with me at home was in this and tested out of it. in january , we find our daughter is still in some class 30 minutes every day. we don't know why she comes home, and we ask her, and she's very worried, what is going on? why am i in another class? now we finally learn this is the english learning program, and we talk to the principal. my problem isn't that she was in there by accident, my problem is no one sent a letter saying this is what's being done with your daughter in these 30 minutes, so i could have addressed it. the other incident, very personal, and i don't like speaking about it is when my daughter was bullied by another kid. i went to the principal about it, looking for help, of course, and she promised me that.

she was very sincere about it. and i talked to her, and days later, she offered a meeting. she was ill that day. that happens to all of us, and then, five days later, she calls me at home and asks me what have her teachers -- what have our teacher and what has the school psychologist done for my daughter? she asked me this question. now, i feel really strongly that my daughter was bullied. i wanted the principal to standup. >> all right. i have one minute left, just to let you know. >> okay. now having talked to parents and teachers on either side -- and as i said, i really love a lot of these people that are on the other side. and a lot of people in the middle, i'm convinced that there's not just a very small minority of us that have issues with the leadership at the moment. and my main question to the board is, well, with regards to moving on, no matter where we all stand, how can a person that has divided our community so immensely move this

community possibly forward? i don't see that happening, but i would love help in any way for that. >> thank you. >> hello. my name is jenna welch. i'm a parent of a student and a three year member of the sfc. i would like to express my dissatisfaction with our principal, and i resigned this year from the sfc because of lack of transparency when it came to scheduling. it is clear to us at the -- well, it became clear to us at the beginning of the school year that our enrichment teachers who were being paid from sfusd to be at our school teaching were not teaching. they were actually unable to teach and prohibited to teach for those morning hours, and when we brought this up in sfc meetings, we were thwarted. we couldn't get answers. we tried to bring it into the general public pto meetings. we were really struggling to

understand why these teachers brought here from sfusd to be at our school -- >> okay. you need to wrap up. >> your time's up. there's not time for another speaker. i just wanted you to finish your -- >> right now, i just wanted to say that we've lost our p.e. we had three days of p.e. now we have two afternoons, i believe because of this. >> thank you. thank you. okay. we want to thank all of you for coming out tonight, and we want to reassure you that we're received all of your e-mails and your messages. we are going to be taking everything that you've shared with us seriously in our decisions that we're about to go into, so again, we just want to thank all of you for coming out and expressing your feelings about the situation at your school, so thank you. and you young people, you need to get home and go to bed, okay? thank you for coming out and advocating. we appreciate it.

all right. good night. so item o, section o is closed session, so the board will now go into closed session, so i call a recess of the regular board meeting. so we're going to ask everyone to please move out of the board room so that we can go into closed session. >> so we are back, and we're in section p. we're going to resume the regular board meeting, and we're going to do the report on the closed session actions. in the

>> all right. i'm going to go ahead and start this meeting and call it to order. welcome, everyone, to the tuesday, march 6th meeting of the san francisco entertainment

commission. my name is bryant tan. before i get started with the meeting, i just want to acknowledge that i have been out of commission for a little while, so i just want to thank my fellow commissioners and especially the entertainment commission staff for really continuing to do a great job here on the commission, and holding the summit last week that went very, very well, as far as i've heard. so any way, i just wanted to thank you all. it's been a tough time for me, personally, but all the well wishes, messages of support have been great. so any way, we're going infoto ahead and do a few announcements before we get started. one, keep your cell phones or electronic devices on silent. if you are a member of the public and would like to make a public comment, please do so when i announce is.

we also have speaker cards up front that you can fill out and hand to our staff. and finally, ithank you sto sf gov for televising this every time we meet. we're going to start with roll call. [ roll call. [ roll call. ] all rig >> all right. so we'll start off with public comment. is there any comments with regard to the meeting agenda that you do not see itemized. seeing none, public comment is closed, and we'll move onto item 2, which is approval of our meeting minutes from february 26, 2018. happy to entertain a motion or any edits as people see them

necessary. >> i move approval of the minutes. >> i will second that, with the caveat that i think it's time to start spelling my time on this. the "e" and the "i" are switched. it's becoming a trend, but it's time to speak up. >> okay. there's a motion and a second. are there any public comment on our minutes? all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. all right. let's take a vote. [ roll call. ] >> president tan: wasn't here, but -- >> clerk: yeah grient brya. >> president tan: motion passed. we'll move onto our report from our acting director. >> thank you, commissioners. so tonight, i just have a couple of brief updates, i just

wanted to update you all on your summit that a good majority of you were able to attend. we -- i believe we did a really great job. commissioners were super supportive. i want to give a big shout out for commissioner perez, again, for putting together or marketing materials for the event and making us shine and making us look super professional. he was literally in the office for hours at a time working on this stuff, and i kept saying, you're hired. so thank you so much, and commissioner thomas, thank you, as well for putting together the programming for your section on harm reduction. i thought it was super informative, and that's what i heard from a lot of folks in the audience. and i think, you know, dylan's presentation that he worked on with steven was really informative, as well, and it was a creative conversation and flowed really nicely, and we wound up having about 150

attendees, i'd say, throughout the day. a lot of them stayed the entire time. and i think one of the main take aways from that event was, you know, a lot of folks were giving us feedback that day that they really enjoyed the change in venue location, and also using an actual entertainment venue as the location of our summit was a really great way for people to come together and network, and so i think in the future, we already have about three offers of venues to use for future summits, so i think we can get really creative with that. and we actually had nicole elliott there that night -- or that day, presenting on cannabis, and you'll hear from her shortly again, and you'll be able to ask specific questions on cannabis regulation in the city. so do you guys have any questions on that, on the summit? any feedback?

okay. so other than that, i just wanted to update you guys on fact that we are in the process of hiring two 1842 sound inspectors to fill the one vacancy for an 1842 that used to be full-time, as you recall. so we have already posted that. i had sent you guys the job posting to push out. we had a dozen applicants, we're moving forward and interviewing about half of them in the next week or so. the goal is to actually bring these inspectors on board at the start of april, if possible, and begin training them on all of our policies and procedures and code, and then bringing them out into the field, and so we're hoping to have two more operating enforcement staff in april, and they should be trained up by

may, so i will keep you all posted on that. do you have any questions in regard -- >> we'll have a full-time and two more part-times? >> yes. and so the part-times will mainly be out on the weekends, and they'll be reporting back to inspector burke. and then, we'll have to play around and see if we're going to be having them come to the hearing, as well or if we're going to sin they siynthesize information they give us. >> will we have three inspectors out in the field at any given time? >> i think we'll have two just because of the materials. we have two vehicles, two sound meters, that type of thing, but during the training, there will be three, yeah. >> great. >> any other questions?

okay. that's it. >> president tan: all right. is there any public comment on our acting director's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. we'll move onto item number four, the presentation by nicole elliott, director of the san francisco office of cannabis, who will go over the office and entering section of cannabis and entertainment regulation. hello, miss elliott. >> thank you commissioners for having me. nicole elliott, director of the office of cannabis. it's really a pleasure to be in front of you tonight. i view you very much as a sister agency or brother agency, depending on how you want to look at it. i know a number of you guys are familiar with the office of cannabis, what led to the creation and the implementation of the office and the regulations, but for those of you who are not familiar, i'm just going to quickly run you through some historic context,

historical context. so preprop 64, of course we had medical cannabis activity in san francisco. the activity that's regulated comprehensively was the retail side of it. however, the overall supply chain, of course,ist examine e exists in san francisco. so in anticipation of prove 64 passing and commercial cannabis for adult use purposes, as well, supervisor scott weiner put in place a cannabis state legalization task force, and that is that something that a cup of you guys are familiar with, i know, extensively. and that the purpose of that task force was really how the city could regulate commercial use adult activity going forward. that task force is now in its third year and put forth hundreds of recommendations on that front. with the passage of prop 64, we saw almost three-quarters of san francisco voters in november 2016 support the

legalization and decriminalization of cannabis activity. and then, we saw in june of 2017 the governor's office and the legislature pass sb-94, which was trailer legislation that talked about how the state intended to also comprehensively regulate adult use and medical activity, creating kind of a very broad framework for how they proposed doing that. in response to all of this, the city and county of san francisco put forth the office of cannabis as part of last year's budget. it was approved. it has three staff members: myself, a deputy director and an associate director. both of those positions are filled at this point, which is very exciting. and it tasked us with proposing policies to regulate commercial cannabis activity, as well as coordinating the city's agencies implementation of that regulatory structure moving

forward, and as we all know there are a number of departments in san francisco, just like you guys experience the permitting process associated with that, we see the same sort of permitting activity on our side. so the office of cannabis is also meant to serve, just like the entertainment commission, as the entry point and final permit for cannabis business activity. so, you know, in response to all of this, the office of cannabis, in consultation with then mayor lee and multiple supervisors put forward a draft regulatory structure and land use controls, and that was very much informed by the work of the task force, and that went through a pretty robust but very quick legislative approval process at the end of last year, and through multiple commissions. it sat for 30 days for comment, and then, it went to committees and the full board. and that was passed in early december, implemented starting january 5th of this year, so

it's been quite a whirl wind of a trip, and there's still a lot left to do, as you guys can imagine. so at this point, we're in the process of preparing for the application for article 16 permits, and if you recall, mcd's are regulated currently under article 33 of the health code, so when i refer to article 16, i'm referring to the new regulatory structure that we will endeavor to push all cannabis activity into in 2018, including existing mcd's. and so we're in the process of developing that application. we are also in the process of further developing anecwhich tanecwhich -- an equity -- we are in the process of turning over the existing industry, specifically, the nonretail delivery side of the industry, much of which was unregulated prior to january 5th of this

year. so there's a lot do ito it. i'm happy to answer questions. i want to speak specifically to the event side since i know this commission has a special interest in that area. the state does allow for events to occur; however, they require local jurisdictions to authorize that activity. and as part of the regulatory package last year, we didn't do that mainly because while we recognize that activity is occurring, we were trying to only bite off as much as we could chew, so it is something that is -- it is definitely on the agenda this year to address, to develop policies around, and to see if we can try to regulate that, because again, we know it exists, we know it's happening, so it would behoove us to regulate, and to create operators and pathways to do that, but we are in consultation with the

fascforce, taking task force taking up that issue later this year, before we put pen to paper before legislation goes. so i'm happy to answer any questions you may have. i'm sure you have many, so with that, i will answer it to questions. >> president tan: commissioners? commissioner lee? >> i think we talked briefly about the issue of smoking sections at clubs, and i think i mentioned about this, do we allow them via a medical cannabis card to be smoking in the same section as it's a smoking section outside in a controlled area, i've heard that it's either not allowed, or it could be allowed but not in the same section as the smoking section, so i'm just -- until the policies all come out, there's a lot of talk and a lot of confusion, and since

we're on the air now, i kind of want to hear your opinion or what is the true answer for people that have medical marijuana cards and they want to smoke it? we all know that you can't smoke in the premise. we do have smoking sections. do we allow them to smoke in the smoking sections? >> i'd like to clear up that questions. >> sure. i'm happy to put that on the record. no. they are not allowed to consume in those locations. law requires consumption occur on licensed premises and for consumption, and in private residences, not in public, including places that are visible potentially to anyone under the age of 21, so when you think about lounges on dispensaries, they were required to be in an enclosed space, outside of the view of somebody who's under the age of 21, and not visible to the public, quite frankly. so that would violate many of

those requirements, potentially, so therefore, that is disallowed. >> so if they walk up to us, let's say they're already smoking it, and they're ready to get into the club, but they're outside of our boundaries, do we have the right to say, you have to put that out? >> yes. yeah. the consumption is not allowed in public in general, so that includes on the street. and of course, that's -- you know, that's a broader enforcement issue that we know where the city generally stands on that. we have a policy. but with that said, legally, from -- in the state's perspective, as well, that is not allowable on the sidewalk. >> okay. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> is there a plan to have -- and there may already be, so correct me if i am wrong, but is there a plan to have consumption licenses in nonabc-licensed areas that are not associated with

dispensaries, or consumption lounges? are there add-on consumption permits that people can apply for, if it's a yoga studio. >> right now, it's limited to certain locations, including retail that would have lounges on their premises, and not just the eight lounges that the city has at dispensaries, but it does expand those locations to other licensed and mer mied retamied -- permitted retail locations. but as of right now, lounges outside of businesses are not included in the retail structure, a stand-alone. >> other questions? >> there is more of a comment than a question, but just thank you for getting everything up and running, i have some idea of just how complicated this

issue is, and, you know, keep in touch with us on the entertainment commission in terms of how we can continue to move forward on this. i know obviously, the cannabis consumption has been a part of entertainment and night life for a long time, and so figuring out what changes under this new eraof legalization and how that doesn't change, and sort of figuring out how to incorporate that in to spaces, making sure people enjoy themselves, and that working together. i appreciate you coming talking to us, and it's been goiod to have the entertainment commission represented on the legal task force, and i think it's been good to have people hear sort of the model of the entertainment commission and sort of what lessons we can learn from this.

so thank you and i appreciate how much you've had to learn and wrap your arms around in the short time you've been in that office, so thank you for doing all of that, and let us know how we can keep working with you on this whole intersection of the night life and cannabis. >> thank you for that. and just in general, as far as what -- what would be helpful for us at this point in time is really knowing what information the industry's requesting and how we can be supportive, as well, for the entertainment industry right now in general, and right now, a lot of that is to your point, commissioner lee, about education, around what existing requirements are out there, both locally and on the stateside, and any sort of penalties associated with that, especially for those people who have abc licenses. >> and i think, you know, there is certainly very, very strong interest in figuring out how we -- how we can change the state regulatory environment

and legal environment so that people can have the opportunity to consume cannabis and alcohol on the same premises. you know, we're not there yet, but hopefully, we will get there. and certainly, i mean i'm not going out on much of a limb at all to say that i think there are a lot of people in the night life industry to figure out how to figure out how to allow that in a legal format. >> and i can just dove tail that. i think the state rules -- and it's not the local. local's been very positive, but i think a lot of the state rules are setup for our licens licensed permit holders, and i don't want to see -- consumption is so difficult to regulate inside a club, given the different ways that you can consume now, including breath mints and tongue strips and everything, so you know, i'm afraid we're going to see a world where on-site consumption

is going to be -- it's not impossible to police from a club standpoint, from our license holders, but it's very difficult, but i'm afraid those two things are going to come together and create problems for our license holders, but i realize this is more of a state -- these are more evof state issues. one other question: are you still accepting applications for equity -- >> one of the issues we worked on last year was creating a digital application process so we could support people who are seeking to find out a significant amount of information. it's a tremendous effort to incorporate some of our city platforms into that. what we put out either at the end of this month or april will be a minimum viable product

that we will iterate over time. >> when are you expecting that. >> the beginning of may, end of april. >> about the consumption rules, how about outdoor events and festivals? i guess that rula plies. >> yes. consumption is also restricted, and while it's restricted in public places, the state made a point of saying 1,000 feet from schools, youth care centers and child care centers, and if you know the dense nature of san francisco and the number of facilities that we have that would meet those sense of use definitions, that's pretty much nowhere. not really, but significantly covers a lot of the city. so parks -- parks is definitely an area where we'd have to be really cautious about that.

>> so it would be up to the event organizer to make sure that people are not smoking or do we then turn it over to local police or how does that -- well, how will local enforcement? >> i think education is definitely the responsibility of an organizer. the enforcement is part of the enforcement agency. so police is a component of that, and we all know that the enforcement component of consumption has been deprioritized in san francisco. there are some complications of that in general. i think it's more how can we be good stewards of our san francisco environment in recognizing that there are people around you that perhaps may not enjoy that as much as you and just be good neighbors in general. i think it's important to keep that in mind, as well. >> all right. thank you. >> all right. looks like there are no more comments from us. thank you for being here. just to reiterate what

commissioner thomas said, i think we're really looking forward to working with your office and ensuring that we can keep night life safe and fun. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. is there any public comment for miss elliott's report, the office of cannabis report? all right. seeing none, public comment's closed. there's no action there to take other than hear the presentation, so we'll move onto item number five. i believe -- >> our sum inspector is actually absent this evening, so we can skip that one. >> all right. we'll move onto item number six, the report from senior analyst, dylan rice. >> good evening, dylan rice. senior analyst, committee on cultural events. i know it's been a while since i've done an update, so a step back, i'm looking at 2018 as about deepening and expanding

the work that i've already started to do, so that's positioning and building my work or my role as a concierge for service or outdoor events, so presenters are more empowered with the tools and resources they need to be compliant and to -- to be safe and successful. it's also about, you know, increasing the transparency and reducing complexity so this idea of streamlining processes, and it's about educating event producers on best practices and obviously the rules. and obviously, like, fostering and expanding the network of event industry, professionals. and also, you know, we're always researching and looking for new ideas, right? so also, i'm interested in 2018, really, really sinking my teeth into some research about what are mr. legislative tools that we could look at to -- to

protect these community and cultural outdoor events from displacement? so, you know, is it -- in looking at things like the rdr model, looking at things like legacy business program. so i wanted to get that idea going, plant that seed now, and then, think about who are the -- the state holders in terms of department partners, as well as event special event

across city departments. so we are going to move forward, we're going to actually become now the owner of a shared citywide special event calendar, so we're looking to be in partnership with dem, and dem is still going to be sending out their daily or weekly sort of updates to all these partners, but the idea is we're going to ago ago

aggregate all of this data, but noncity partners like national park service, presidio, etcetera. this, i think is going to help sort of position us better in terms of a way to make a more informed decision about strategy and also, you know, advocate for us to be more of a hub for the industry. so that will take place by the end of this month. just real quick, this will obviously be, like, a google-based document that is updated frequently that can be looked at by, you know, all these agencies that, you know, really need to have situational awareness, or we just need to know, like, where are these

resources really being allocated? >> that calendar shared publicly or really just with the departments or staff? >> right now, it would just be with departments. >> okay. >> but i -- you know, i think somewhere down the road, it could become something like a data sf situation where it is more public. and then, we're going to do another sf outdoor events. we're going to do them quarterly. i'm looking to do one in the spring, looking for a venue and a topic. so i will let you know when that happens. and then, just ongoing stuff. i'm doing technical assistance, testify gas stational assistance for people trying to navigate all the rules. and then, we've been -- now that we have the new website and new applications rolled out, we've had to do a little bit of tweaks. we've had some questions and feedback from event producers

on how to improve things in terms of doncontent and designo i've been helping maggie and crystal with that, as well. and that is all i have. >> questions? commission commissioner lee, go. >> so on the calendar, all the events, is it how you go to sf gov, the regular sf gov, and you get all the menus? so there's a lot of people that might want to know when a thing is happening at certain times, the chinese new year, when that's happening. every week, it changes? do you make a recommend or how does that get on? >> i don't know if you want to speak to this? >> i was just -- i think dylan

mentioned it, but i think this first rendition of this is made more for private uses within the departments, but, you know, down the line, it could become a public calendar. but the real impetus is to get situational awareness on all these things that are taking place at one time. so the scope is going to be around emergency management and being able to have first responder agencies have access to that data. and you know, we, i think, could be the hub of that, and we would like to be. so i don't know if it would even visually show, you know, what a member of the public, especially a tourist might be looking for. >> or not maybe so much detail, but the event itself. like, a calendar of city events that there's applications in. it could be a nonprofit, nonprofit, you know, made an application, and there might be a little block party that people might be interested in and we don't know about.

i thought maybe that could be distributed -- >> i think down the road, it might be, but in the beginning, it might have too much sensitive data for public comment. >> like, just a list. this weekend, and who the -- >> yeah, maybe down the road. not in the beginning. >> yeah. i think it's helpful for the public. >> dylan, i feel like either ben -- probably ben from oewd mentioned that sf travel might want to be a hub of information like that, rather than a city site. i don't know that tourists are really looking for fun thing to see do on sfgov. >> or even on our e.c. website. >> but do you know if there's any -- does that ring any bells? >> yeah. it's been a long time since we actually talked to sf travel. i'll bring it up again with them. they actually have a tool that you can actually list your event and get on their platforms. i think it's really a great tool, and i -- so that tool is in the forth coming guide, but

that's something that i can promote now through facebook or, you know, other ways to doing it. but yeah, i think whoever has the capacitor the expertise to really make this -- this public calendar really impactful, i think that's the question. you know, cause, like, you know, local wouldn't be going to sf travel site. and maybe it's just being better at connecting these smaller blogs with the data. so that's a good question. >> another project for another year. i just want to give you big kudos. i don't know if you've even been here a year yet. has it been a year? >> yes. it's been a little more than a year and a half. >> i know this is the biggest thing on your plate for that full year and a half, and to see it come to fruition, and i

know it's still in the draft form. i know it took a lot of research, a lot of talking to people, a lot of wrangling people that may not have been the most cooperative. i think it's going to be good for not only existing producers, but the mom and pop idea in the garage of having an idea of putting on a street festival. i think that's what the idea will be, helping to sprout these ideas more. and also kudos and thanks to commissioner perez. you are our secret weapon when it comes to graphic design and layout, so i think how we communicate the information that we have in a way that people can digest is really important, so thank you for always putting that -- that -- that skill into play over here. i don't know if commissioners have other questions for dylan. commissioner perez? >> just as a feedback, i think

i've been doing community organizations events for the last 12 years, and it took me about that long to really how to figure out how to navigate the different departments. how to go through the department process i think is going to be so helpful even for organizers out there, especially for those just starting out, and i think it will help stream line the other departments, and it helps us avoid all those last minute deadlines from organizers like me, who did not know that there are certain deadlines that need to be met. i think now having this resource, it will really empower and educate a lot of the organizers out there to be better at filing permits on time, so thank you. >> thank you. >> okay. it looks really fantastic. congratulations, yeah. it's been a long. it's been needed, and it's really great to actually see it. >> feels great.

thank you very much. >> i just had to apply for a cu for one of my bars, and if i had a guide like this, i would have been so happy. >> all right. i think that wraps up the commissioner comments and questions. is there any public comment on our senior analyst's report? seeing none, public comment's closed. item number seven is the police department comments and questions. i don't see anyone here from sf pd, so we'll move onto item number eight, which is a hearing and possible actions recording applications for permits under our jurisdiction as the entertainment commissions. >> so president tan, i believe we need to takeoff item 8-a, ec 1433 application, because there is a member of the public here who wanted to speak to public comment on that item. so maybe we take the consent agenda, item a, b first. >> all right. yeah. let's go ahead and just do as a procedural thing, do we need to

vote on splitting it from consent or... >> we might as well. >> okay. sure. can i take a motion for hearing these items separately? >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. there's a motion and second. >> okay. >> let's vote. [ roll call. ] >> president tan: all right. let's start off then by hearing about fon ophonobar. >> all right. so you want to do regular agenda first? >> i don't know if i'm looking at the wrong agenda. >> so -- yes. item 8-a is phonobar. that's the one that has a public comment; and then, item 8 -- >> oh, you want to do consent agenda first. >> yeah, i might as well. >> okay. let's just do that first. >> okay. so item 8 is ec-1434.

this is venga empanadas. they're looking for a limited live performance permit. t the department did recommend that they install security camera at the front entrance. i believe there was one other small item there...oh, and exterior building lighting. so do you have any questions on that one? >> president tan: all right. this is kept on the consent agenda, so unless there's additional questions, we can open it up for public comment and then just take a vote. >> okay. >> president tan: all right.

is there any public comment oven goon venga empanadas? okay. seeing none, let's take a vote. [ roll call. ] >> president tan: motion passes. congratulations. good luck. we'll now take on the regular agenda, phone oobar, which we' hear at a full permit. >> so this evening, we have phonobar, it's located right down the street, it's the old muca at 370 grove street, and they're going for a limited live performance permit, and they will have dj's on the premises. they do have food and beverages there, as well, so here to tell you more about their application and what their plans are is the owner, luke christopher lukasic, and i

think he likes to be called chuck. >> thank you commissioners for reviewing our application. i'd like to tell you what we're looking at and envisioning for the bar, as well as what we're doing to control the noise and sound. we did extensive neighborhood outreach, talked to a number of neighbors who lived directly across the street. as you might know just from your general knowledge of this neighborhood, there are very few residential spaces between goff and frank lynyklin. phonobar is a place for people to experience rare records on a mainstre mainstream hifi system thinking of this is sort of the alternative that's out there for most music venues, being

entirely bars and focus entirely on serving alcohol and music, or club spaces where there's very little seating room. so the way we envision it, this is a chance for me and many other people in the city who have extensive record collections to share them with the public, for people to discover music they might not otherwise discover, and the incentive for that is they can come and enjoy it on a sound system and at a fidelity level that people would never think of installing in their home. the company that we used for our installing system does not do public sound systems. they got their start as installing master systems for sound studios. we've been very careful in terms of how we've approached that. we've consulted with charles

assaulter and associates, done two site studies of the space, looking at the reverberations in the room, as well as looking at the dining and bar area of the space and come up with recommendations for us. some of those we've began to implement. those include the custom fabrication of custom curtains with stc-17 noise abatement fabric within the theater curtain. so these were custom-made and installed very recently to help with any transition through the windows. we also are looking at planning to adding additional glazing to the front of 370 grove street to stop noise where it is coming in and out, potentially through doors being opened, so we have two main egress. and looking at the additional glazing as a way in which to tackle any noise issues that come from that. in addition to that, we found that actually some of the reverberation and some of the noise that can be heard within the space is coming from a vent that we have running through

the lounge area, so we've tackled that and we've procured the appropriate materials to reduce the ventilation of that vent. as we see it right now, i don't know if we're allowed to invite people up. i'm not quite sure what the protocol is, but i would love to have andrew speak to his work and what he's done and witnessed and studied when can comes to our space, as well. >> yeah, you're welcome to bring additional speakers. >> so i think this study is also included in our application package chlth. >> hi, commission. my name is charles mckee from assaulter and associates. chuck brought us in a couple of months ago to take a look at the space. this is quite unique compared to what we normally deal with in terms of nightclub noise. this is basically a listening space for a limited number of people in a lounge environment rather than a nightclub. as a result, chuck was saying the sound system in there is

very different to what we'd normally see in a club. there isn't a huge amount of volume, but there's great clarity to it. that said, we still wanted to know if there was excessive noise break out from the space into the street. so we carried out some sound insulation testing from the lounge to the street and to the neighboring properties, and we found out that eechbl running running -- even running at 100 dbc in the central lounge, the music break out was still in compliance with the police code on the street directly outside and also on the neighboring properties across grove street. however, we did notice some noise leakage around certain areas of the facade, so we have provided some recommendations for improving that, because the whole point of this study is to make sure that we make the neighbors happy and not annoy

them. and all the work that chuck he's doing is aimed at doing that. i know a while -- maintaining a music level within a space, which is appropriate for what you want to do. i don't know if you have any questions. >> do you know what db level that they're hoping to set? >> i know, we were running at 100 dbc, which would be the maximum they'd ever want to go at, and that's more dance sort of clubby dance music, more than the sort of world music that they're looking at. but any way between sort of 96 and 100 would be the limits of what they sort of expect to run at. >> we agree with that. so we've actually had two events at the space, using one-night event permits to have music. one was for new year's eve, and the other one was on recently april 10th. april 10th, what we found -- this is using not nearly as sophisticated machinery as he has. we have a db meter in the j.

why the boo d.j. booth. i've installed that, and what we found on that night is sometimes the music was excessively loud to the d.j. pushing it to a level here or there, so we found that 90 -- you know, anything above 95 was troublesome both inside in terms of it being slightly too loud and not enjoyable for the vision and aim that we have, but also for creating those vibrations in an event that we talked about. so both of those, we are planning to tackle. one is through the purchase of a limiter. we have a great sound engineer. i have the specs of the model we plan to buy. as any -- this can become a very problematic point, so having the limiter and having the ability to set those levels

and being able to set them remotely, as well, that's good. >> what you're describing to me sounds a little bit more than just a limited live permit type of venue. is there a reason you're not going for a full place of entertainment? >> yeah. i've spent sometime at the planning department to look at our zoning. so we're actually in a p-zone because we're part of the performing arts garage, and we have yet to -- i've actually sent in a request for rulings to determine which zone we're in, so we actually sit between the hayes valley zone and the zone that's just above that. i can't remember the exact code for it. and so we've asked for a ruling because the distance to that back space is almost the same as to the center of grove street, which is where the measurements were taken from. so that is being the first step and the first hurdle for us to be able to apply for a full

place of entertainment permit. >> is that your goal in the future to -- >> we're not sure. we're hoping to have music as an implementation and supplementation to our venue. we don't see having entertainment as the most important part of our business. it's a complement to our brand and sort of the mission we set out to endeavor ourselves with, but in terms of it being a limited live performance, i think right now we're interested in seeing how it goes and seeing if we want to continue to pursue, if we have to, to get a conditional use permit from the planning department to then apply for that, or if it will be ruled to be in the zone where places of entertainment are principlely allowed. >> and the limited live performance permit only goes