this area while at the same time reduce the incarceration rate. in my mind the smartest way is to prevent the crime in the first place. we have to work with what we have to work with, but there is this balance that if we can impact crime but preventing it, we have to do our job and enforce the law, but there is a desire to reduce the incarceration rate. it can't be all about arresting our way out of the problem. that is not the total solution. >> have you ever thought about sharing investigations with the district attorney? >> yes, we do work with the district attorney and the district attorney and i have a good relationship. they are going some things on their end that will help this process. and we have had many discussions and many meetings with not only me and the district attorney,

but me and the staff work together, and it's going to take all of us in the criminal justice community to really impact our problems here. we understand that and we're willing to work with whoever we have to work with to make that happen. >> just a few more questions. curious to know, how is scheduling for operations decideed? >> the schedules are -- some of it is driven by the current m.o.u., but the rotation of the schedu schedule, basically officers have a schedule and there's a rotation of the schedules. and now, some of that is flexible. some of it is not as flexible. but we do have to abide by the rules and m.o.u. so in terms of scheduling, that is why we have this staffing unit and prior to that the field operations bureau looked at scheduling and make adjustments where it's appropriate to do so.

there is the field operations and typically the administrative side is monday through friday during business hours typically, and more of a stable schedule, but policing is 24/7. you have to have the midnight smith. you have to have the swing shift and that is done on o rotational basis. there is some overlap because they work four day work week, 10-hour work days. automatically you will have overlap and some days are heavier than other. that's where we have to be as efficient as we can. >> do you have staffing analysis within the department? >> we do, and the unit we just created headed by a lieutenant, and we still have to fill in some of the support staff, but that is their role. >> their role is to advise you or whatever body makes the

decision on, about where to deploy officers, correct? >> correct. that is part of the role, and to look at the long and short-term officers. they are the officers and personnel working with the b.l.a. and the mayor's office and the controller's office on the various staffing analysis that we are doing. but we have to do that internally as well. so that unit, when we had our round of promotions in november, but created a position for that lieutenant, and we're in the process of now staffing the unit so they are fully staffed. >> all right, chief. i am going to lean on you to get the b.l.a. the information they need to have good data for that you are audit to be informed on what's goingen o, particularly pay -- going on, particularly paying attention to where our shortcomings are so we can beef them up. >>ment y yes, ma'am, we sure will. >> the final question is, how many officers are currently out

of rotation due to misconduct? >> i believe the number is -- hang on one second. i might have that here. we have 31 that are out of rotation due to disciplinary -- pending disciplinary matters. 31 officers. >> thank you very much. colleagues, i don't know if you have any questions for the chief. >> i actually do. >> thank you, chief, for being here today. >> good morning. >> i just wanted to talk about what the department's long-term strategic plans are. we know the department has a lot of people who are retiring and

also have a lot of new officers coming into the department. i think i just have some concerns about what our plans are to make sure that we are hiring enough officers, that we have enough time to implement many of the train iing, a lot o the training that is necessary to address a lot of the reforms and how all that is coming together because i know that of the 272 recommendations from the obama administration for reform for the department, half will be implemented, but we have a long ways to go. that takes time not only to work with the existing officers who are a part of the department, but also new officers that are coming in, and i think there are some concerns i have about just what's happening with the department because within a few years, most of the officers are going to be -- going to be a lot of new officers. many of them, unfortunately r not from the city, and in some

instances come from place where is they have never even experienced diversity. i'm just trying to understand, you know, what the plan is with the department and how are we going to address some of the issues? what is our strategic plan long term to make sure that we have sufficient staffing with the department, especially as we have the conversation around this m.o.u. and the kinds of things that need to be included to address some of those challenges. >> yes, ma'am. >> i will start now with the personnel and we have 2,100 and this is as of january, and with the officers on the payroll, of those, and -- this is outside of the airport. 1,448 are field duty, field demroibl. the remainder -- they are field

deployable. the remainder are not demroibl ployable for a variety of reasons. temporarily disabled, a.d.a. accommodati accommodations, military leave, those type of things. family leave, and those type of things. so the authorized number is 1,971, so we have been budgeted to get to that 1,971. attrition impacts that as you just stated. when we lose officers due to retirement or whatever way they separate from service, that impacts that -- both numbers. both the full-time officers on the payroll and full-time officers and the -- i mean, the number of officers on the payroll and the number of full-time able-bodied officers that can work fill. it impacts both numbers. one of the things that we are doing and this is a constant is working with the mayor's office and working with city hall to forecast what the numbers look

like. number one, we have to hire to attrition and academy classes and needs at the airport going on as well as increasing the personnel at the airport and working with the director of the airport is another need that has to be addressed. we have to do this in context of working with the mayor's office because all this will take budgeting. that is what we're in the process of doing right now. we are doing a number of different staffing analyses to really fruns the data how many officers we need, first of all, to do the primary services, in the car, and the controller's office is working on that piece. then there are demands from the community. how do we work the other city departments to address the narcotics issues and street behaviors issues in the city? that is not necessarily going to be a radio call-driven

deployment need, but definitely a need that we have to tackle. so we've tasked our staff with providing analysis on how many officers does that actually take to do the things that efb with asked to do? we have a number. and that number now has to be mixed in the other context of sector car deployment, investigative capabilities and all the other things. long story less long is all these different factors that are now coming together will determine actually what we need to move forward. we also have to keep in mind that this city is going to grow in terms of population. you have the honda's point development and treasure island, and a boom in construction in the city. so are we looking to accommodate that in the future? all this said, it brings another issue when we get these officers, where are we going to put them? the police station.

are the police stations the facilities big enough? so all these things, supervisor, have to be taken into context. and they are all being looked at very vigorously. we want to be thoughtful about what we are asking for in terms of growth. we don't want to come to you or the mayor with a number out of the blue, and that is why all these bodies of work are coming together. but the bottom line is i sit here as chief of police saying that i believe that the department needs to grow, and i have voiced that. i think there is a lot of support to do just that in order to do the things that we know we need to do and are being asked to do. >> chief, i will just jump in here to keep things moving along. supervisor reed, did he answer your question fully? >> thank you. >> can i just ask something? >> i have a number of questions, but i want the public to be able to speak. you mentioned the airport and there is 1800 deployable outside of the airport, but i do have some questions about officers at the airport. i know that we have quite a number of bilingual and chinese

officers at the airport. and i continue to hear from our chinese speaking community they would like to see more of them in san francisco on the west side and in chinatown. and i am curious that some are discretionary and some requested, of course, and what can we do about getting more of the bilingual officers back in san francisco where they are sorely needed? >> the officers at work at the airport are the assignments that the officers request to go to. and they are there and talking about the rank and file, the demand staff is a different story. >> right. sergeants, lieutenants, and up? >> lieutenants and below. >> but sergeants and -- >> sergeanted included. >> yes. sergeants included, yes. those officers -- well, let me back up. sergeants, we can assign. but the police officer rank, those officers that are at the airport and working at the airport have requested to go there, which they have a right to do. >> what about sergeants and up? can we get more of the bilingual

officers back in san francisco and out of the airport? >> there is some flexibility in that, particularly with new promotions and we can assign based on operational needs. once they are in that assignment, though, they can put in to transfer to other stations and officers that are working in the city can put in a transfer request to go to the airport. so that is a part of the process that we have to respect and honor. but the flexibility is particularly with new promotions. we can assign. >> it's just a request i hear often from the community. i understand that officers do request it, but we recruit bilingual, we recruit people that grew up in san francisco for a reason, and as much as possible, i would love to see them in the neighborhood. neighborhoods are asking for those officers to be there. >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. thank you very much, chief. i think we're going to go ahead and open up for public comment. i've got cards, like i said, to the members of the public.

also, just maybe as a courtesy we can allow our senior members of the chamber to come up to the podium first, and start the conversation. okay. no seniors want to go first? that is fine. i'm not touching that one. if you consider yourself a senior, start there. and then we will go to the note cards. and we did extend an invitation to the mayor's office and the mayor's president ra of staff members and they declined the offer to come and be a part of this conversation. all right, sir. welcome. >> alan. i am senior counsel to the american civil liberties union. >> all right. >> i am really glad you are doing this hearing. i have spent the last two years

involved in police reform issues, which is somewhat new to me. i was involved in the working group around the use of force. i was involved in the working group on tasers. i wrote an amicus brief on the case of the city attorney, and, well, two things i have learned. one is that what i'm seeing, if you'll pardon the literary license, it's like a tale of two cities. there's the city of light and the city of fog. the city of light is the mayor announcing that he wants the use of force engineered. the community responding, the police department responding, the p.o.a. responding. collaborative reform, meetings, discussions, a ton of work, which developed the use of force policy that i think san francisco can be proud of. at that moment to the surprise of many of us, perhaps, of course, we are naive, the policy

disappeared into what i am calling the city of fog. it was -- even though it was clear clearly managerial, fundamental policy, it went to a meet and confer process. >> am i done? >> 30 seconds. >> oh dear. >> well, it was bad. i have three recommendations. the m.o.u. is very imbalanced. it talks about scope of representation, but it never says and carves out what are the fundamental areas of managerial policies. it is vague. it hurt us in the litigation. that language should be changed. >> thank you. just a question for you. do you have your recommendations written down? because we can take them and put them in the record. >> yes. >> great.

we'll take them. thank you. >> all right. >> i'm sorry you can't get one more thing. i got to be fair to everybody. i will take whatever you want to give us, though. and we will add it in the record. >> we recognize the time is short and four minutes if you have translation. and otherwise two minutes. and hopefully the person behind you will get to the next point and share the talking points. if there is something you want us to see, email us or hand it in writing to the clerk and members of the committee will read that as well. so at this point, i want the next speaker to come up and to welcome the interpreters in the chamber. [speaking spanish]

>> i am from the board of directors of faith in action. in our federation we have 90 congregations from across the city. i'm very, very worried for what's happening. [speaking in spanish] i live in the mission and i have lived there for a long time. i heard the chief of police talk about respect. i don't think that it is respect when you unload 99 bullets on a young man. [speaking spanish]

so what i'm asking today is we need a stop to this police violence, and i want to be very clear. without justice, there is no deal. [speaking spanish] we have to keep in mind that young man whose life was lost and all those whose lives were lost are equal in value in god's view of a police officer or anybody else. and it is not okay for life to be wasted in this way. [speaking spanish] >> thank you.

>> is this working? >> yes, they both work. >> an i am a nurse, been around for a long time, over 40 years here. value for human life, public safety, accountability, the needs of communities most affected by racial profiling and deescalation are vital parts of police reforms, yet we have witnessed year after year, complete lack of these principles. de-escalation was horrifyingly absent during confrontations with the latino and african-american youth. most recently two weeks ago with the brutal murder of jesus aldolpho delgado. two years ago with the murders of others. and four years ago today alex nieto, mario woods, jessica williams, we all know the list. and as a nurse armed with a stethoscope, i learned de-escalation techniques. why don't the cops learn these techniques, or if they have

learned them, why don't they use them? now they are getting taser, another violent weapon. we cannot reward violence and impunity. no justice, no deal. thank you for putting a headlight on this. [please stand by for captioner switch]

>> -- that i will run or lay on the floor. [ speaking in spanish ] >> so i've been thinking about this, what i will do. how do we prepare for these kinds of situations, and i think about one of my family members who cannot hear. what would happen to him if he was in that situation?

[ speaking in spanish ] >> i was comforted by the vision put forward, what chief scott -- about how he's thinking about the future resolving some of these issues. [ speaking in spanish ] >> just like a doctor is charged with a responsibility to save lives, even of somebody who's about to die, an officer who has a gun in his hands has the same responsibility to do it with care. [ speaking in spanish ] >> and so it is really important to continue to know

that our lives do matter, and it's really important that we do look for people in the community that will be agents in the police force. thank you. >> supervisor cohen: all right. thank you. just also want to let you know that the mayor's staff has left. >> thank you, supervisor cohen, f for calling this hearing. i'm father richard smith, and i want to speak on behalf of no justice, no deal campaign. this campaign is in response to the recent killing that you heard in jesus rodolfo delgado, for which not a single officer has not yet held accountable. his story is not extraneous to these contract negotiations. his death came in a reckless out of control barrage of 99 ballo ballots by ten officers. instead of deescalating an

already tense situation the officers simply made it worse by hurling threats at odolfo when he was no doubt out of his mind. all of this killing has left us traumatized at the killing of yet another latino, but where are the reforms? where are the reforms that we've been repeatedly promised? we keep getting reassurances that these nightmares will stop happening. where are the reforms? 99 bullets they fired at that young man. if you go to the site where you killed him, you can see the nearby homes with shattered window do windows, bullets through the walls of those homes. there was a young woman in the car with him. it's a wonder she wasn't killed as well. where are the needed reforms.

instead of promoting these needed reforms, the p.o.a. continues to block or weaken them. so please, when you come into these conversations, please don't check your values at the door. please remember jesus adolfo and other people on a list that goes way too long. help us stop the killing of more people of color. no justice, no deal. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. next speaker, please. >> magic goldman. we live in dangerous times. our communities are living in an atmosphere of constant intimidation by police. we live with impugnity. we need to have a fund to train workers with a separate dispatch system you can call before you call the police. this lawsuit shows that the

police -- after a long process of community cooperation to create use of force, they do not accept that policy. therefore, the police are assuming that the p.o.a., their leaders, do not care about them obeying the use of force policy. they are sending that message. so we are now -- the p.o.a. journal, by the way, i suggest that you read sometime on-line. it's fascinating. for example, jeff adaci, our public defender is called a bottom feeder. our member of the police commission, petra dejesus is called unbalanced. our own chief of police is being attacked. the p.o.a. has no respect for anyone but what they want to have power. this is not protection, this is not enforcement of the law. we want mental health workers funded. we do not need more police. let the ones that are there retire. we don't need them there anymore. we need the police to do their

job, and the p.o.a. to stop being an intimidating, belligerent thugs. martin halleran is a disgrace to this city, and he must be stood up against and not be allowed to crem nas against our other public offices. the deal needs to be enforced and used, not treated as just a piece of paper. thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners. i'm the executive director of homi y homie. we serve about 300 young people a year in our program. i want to ask a question. if a young man was killed 99 times in your community, and if another young man was killed -- got shot 99 times, what would you do?

if a young man was killed and got shot 59 times in your community, what would you do? if another young man was shot six times in the back, and one of those shots was in the back of his head by the san francisco police department, what would you do? what would you do? we're here, we want reform. we want change in the san francisco police department. it's not about good police or bad police. we're not against police. we want public safety in our communities. we want public safety. people are saying we're antipolice. no, we're propublic safety. we're propublic safety. we want change in our communities, and we want it today. we don't want it tomorrow. and this contract, this contract -- this is one of the first open door sessions we've had on this, right? and people, they didn't even know how much the police officers made. they couldn't even find it. they had to look in their documents to find this $525 million in the contract, in the general fund. when do we get -- when does -- hey, i'm a nonprofit worker.

when do nonprofit workers get a ten year contract with no questions asked? let's talk about that. i want reform. my community wants reform. this is something really serious in our community. a young man just got shot 99 times, got shot at 99 times. what are we going to do? what are we going to do? we can't just stay here and just sit on our laurels and expect nothing to change. thank you. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. ladies and gentlemen, i'm just going to ask permission to excuse myself. this hearing is incredibly important, but have i to go onto something else. i'm sorry. i will continue to work hard and ask the questions that need to be asked, and just want to let you know that i have an open door policy. if anyone wants to leave a message for me, i will be coming back. you're welcome to do so.

thank you, supervisor. next speaker. >> thank you for having this hearing. i am reverend joanna shank with faith in action. i'm a pastor at first menonnite church in the mission, which meets in the mission. i also live in the mission a couple blocks south where there was a shooting by the sfpd, and where most recently jesus adolfo delgado was killed. i also raise my kids in the community. as a mother and a member of the community, i'm asking for a contract that represents the needs of the communities that are most impacted by overpolicing, racial profiling, and excessive use of force such

as a kid being trapped in a car being shot # # times, with # 9 bullets in his body. the city must be increase the mou with the p.o.a. unless the p.o.a. agrees to these reforms. no justice, no deal. thank you. >> i am a citizen and youth outreach specialist, and a paraprofessional for the unified school district. i'm also a youth myself. i work with opportunity youth from all districts of san francisco. i am here on behalf of a friend of mine who was recently killed by sfpd during a suspicion of a crime. as supervisor malia cohen said earlier, police officers are here to serve and protect our citizens. as a youth who works with youth and just lost a youth of my community, i'd like to state that i am very uncomfortable with this -- with the police of

san francisco. i do not feel safe; therefore, i am not confident of the contract because i do not feel it is making my environment safe but actually endangering it. i do not only fear for the youth of my community but for the youth that i work with that will eventually be my age. the police that confront crimes in -- and the police that they will be working with that will be confronting crimes of their generation should be properly trained to deescalate situations. as a paraprofessional, i am only 20 years old, and i know how to deescalate situations. i have way more training than a police officer to deescalate a situation, and i do not get paid 500 million as a salary. by 2018, i'd expect the police to be properly trained without raising pay. it would only be a reward for not properly doing their jobs. that behavior in the work industry should not be rewarded. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please.

>> good morning, supervisors. my name is iman curado. i am a collaborative facilitator working to end violence in our communities and jails. i am a 23 year youth development counselor here in san francisco. i'm a former member of the unified educators of san francisco. i'm also a proud son of union parents from local 2, and the international long shore men and warehouse workers union, certainly a son and friend of unions. especially a shout out to my mother and local 2 workers who worked with two years without a contract. so there's precedent here in san francisco for what the community is asking you to

consider. i am invested in the safety and well-being of officers and future officers. i'm here representing a voice in the family and friends of jesus delgado who the showas s 99 times and struck 25 times enforcing being detained in the suspicion of a robbery. he was a product of san francisco schools. he was a product of the department of children of youth and their families. in school and after school hours funded programs from the age of six to the age of 18. he was a recent graduate of the life learning academy. so i'm saying all that, and presenting that as, you know, currency and value in a morbid way that we would like to present in negotiations for

this contract, right? we're here on the souls, the backs, the blood and the bones of the young people in our community. so please consider that. >> thank you. >> my name is pastor dimitrius. i'd just like to go on record and say this is a very strong moral issue, that one -- we understand the difficulty that -- the job that the police department has to do. but we also must understand that as board of supervisors members and those that oversee this process, you are partially responsible in making sure that there are parts of this deal that allow the community to have a voice at this table. how is it that we can talk about public safety that doesn't include the voice of the public themselves? i understand the difficulty that chief scott has overseeing

thousands of officers, buts aa person of faith, i want you to think about this. there is a passage of scripture who was talking about a de-monddemon possessed man who was cutting himself. it said he was unpettered, and he was out of control. i want you to know that the p.o.a. has created a type of environment that makes the public look at the police department like that same scary man in the tomb, that people are out there, and they're cutting themselves. police suicides are on the rise. police misconduct on the rise, and police mistrust from the community is on the rise, and we will negotiate without the community at the table, the mistrust continues to grow out of control. we're asking, give us common senso sense reform. tell the p.o.a. we need a place

at the table to negotiate the contract without the community's input is basically going to give us the same thing. we talked about the police basically having over $500 million. where are the receipts? the receipts with deare dead b misconduct, twisted text messages, racism within the department. we're not getting what we're paying for. no justice, no deal. >> good morning. my name is sandra droutler. i've lived in the richmond district for 33 years and reside in district one. i place police accountability and community safety a high priority. i became aware of the no justice no deal campaign through faith in action, and my parish community st. john's episcopal church in the richmond. i was impressed with the report, areas where police could better serve the

community while continuing to provide a safe workplace for themselves. needless to say, i was dismayed to find that little progress on implementation has been made. in fact as i have come to understand, sfpoa is the real obstacle to implementation. what can you done to gain commitment to these reforms. i submit commitment to implementing these mou's in the current negotiation. you as the brs are in a position to request insertion of that language into the mou. i encourage you to actively enter into the negotiation process. no justice, no deal, and thank you for your time. >> good morning, honorable supervisors, frank martinez del

campo rising today as a del gat of the san francisco labor council. i wanted to bring to this body's attention an issue that i believe should be considered by this community and the board of supes in the current negotiations, and that has to do with a problem, a dispute that existed between the leadership of the negotiatiass the association leaders, and the san francisco labor council. as an aggrieved delegate of the council, i rose up in opposition to attempts by the leadership of the p.o.a. to create a -- to create a disturbances and turn to the labor movement regarding differences of opinion. now we had in the past and we currently -- some delegates currently have some problems with some issues today. i am one of them. we have problems with the killings and lack of

accountability. so i rise to the central question of police accountability. everything in the coverage by the chief, i did not hear during that period of time any -- any comment that would lead me to believe that the police have a proper role in the political thought of its citizenry. and yet that's what happened when our council took a position that the leaders of the association disagreed with. i think it's quite all right that we have a disagreement, but it's not all right to attack our labor council and our leaders for having a difference of opinion and simply holding to it. we made a decision on the sf 8, and we had it reconsidered, and we had it reratified, and so that was the source of the dispute between the leaders of the p.o.a. and our council. please look into that. >> good morning, supervisors.

my name is father john kirkly. i'm the rector of the episcopal church here in the richmond neighborhood and a resident of san francisco. recently, a young woman in my congregation happened to be caucasian happened to be hanging out with her girlfriend's who were african american and was approached by a police officer who walked into the circle of girls, looked at my parishioner and said, are these girls bothering you? not good afternoon, not my name is officer so-and-so. everybody doing okay? and it's this kind of ham handed microaggressions, all the way through the kinds of discrimination and brutality killings that you heard about today that are undermining trust in the community and

making it hard for good police officers to do their job. the good news is there is something you can do about it. the board of supervisors has the responsibility for approving the contract with the p.o.a. and after having read very carefully the three blue ribbon judge's panel and the recommendation, it's very clear that the only barrier to real reform in san francisco is the p.o.a. leadership. so i encourage you to exercise your authority to very carefully review that contract to make sure that it reflects community values, that the p.o.a. is not allowed to exploit meet and confer rights, to undermine police reform, and to make sure that written in that contract is a commitment by the p.o.a. to support the reforms -- the common sense reforms that we all know we desperately need. and you have a particular responsibility this time around

given a mayor that is very compromised in his ability to be a fair overseer of the negotiation process. thank you. >> good morning, supervisors. thank you for holding this hearing. i'm reverend david waite, and i'm a district attorney s i'm a deacon in the episcopal diocese in san francisco. the officers are being blocked by the police officer's union and by the administrative process. so in effect, the police officer's union is setting public policy. we ask that you retake that role and that you change the dialogue by refusing to sign the contract until the police

officers union has agreed to stop blocking reform. thank you. no justice, no deal. [ speaking in spanish ] >> my name is gloria sejusta and i'm with community sf. [ speaking in spanish ] >> i want to thank you for this hearing and for making the questions that you made because these are the same questions that we are asking ourselves, especially after so much violence that we have to endure in our community.

[ speaking in spanish ] >> so we are glad to see our supervisors opening up the space for the community and standing with the community because our community's not only facing a lack of respect, but we are in fact being murdered by the police. [ speaking in spanish ] >> so for me as a worker, if i

don't do my job right, even if my union defends me, at the end of the night, i will be fired or suspended. [ speaking in spanish ] >> so as a woman, as a mother, and as a youth, and the people have spoken, we suppose that the job of the police is actually to maintain the security of our community. [ speaking in spanish ]

>> so at the end of the day, if they are not doing that job, then what is the recent to exist? even if they have an association that is -- i wouldn't say intelligent because that's how we describe people, but able to find ways and loopholes to defend the -- the right to kill our community. [ speaking in spanish ] >> so finally, we talked about language access, and i mean, we saw that there's tons and tons of money, so if there's that

money, where is the intention to really figure out how there's going to be that communication with the community? [ speaking in spanish ] >> so at the end of the day, it's not about respect, it's really about rescuing our humanity, because it's not only our community that's losing our humanity, it's also our officers. because at the end of the day, what we need to do is rescue each others humanity and not allow all these different loopholes and upward barriers to get in between respecting human life.

thank you. >> my name's john crew. i am a retired police analyst. i'm a tank payer, and a cranky taxpayer because we're not getting the services, anything close to what we're paying for. supposedly, the reform process was a top priority for this city. we brought this man from los angeles to discuss reform, and yet the discussion is taking place as though the reform process is not part of the mou when it ought to be driving the mou. so in the short period i've got, i want to inject some reality. reality point number one with respect to the p.o.a., they sent you a letter claiming that it's cogswallop that they

oppose the reform. that's nonsense. i can site you chapter and verse going back years. but let's pretend it's true. what the no justice, no deal is offering you, if it's cogswallop, sign on the dotted line. it's time to stop letting the p.o.a. get away with saying anything they want, true or not do anything they want, legal or not. it's time to say no. with the respect to the idea that we can't talk publicly about what's going on in the negotiations. well, the p.o.a. is not here. they juare not here because th want to continue talking behind closed doors. they are participating in radio ads, claiming that the public is like north korea ads. the p.o.a. has been

consistently resisting 21st century reforms. they are for trump policing. they are for make america great again, they are for 19th century policing. no justice, no deal, stop this deal and say no to the p.o.a. >> good morning. thank you to this committee for hosting this hearing and bringing critical attention to the police contract negotiations. my name is anan subermanian, and the no justice no deal main demand is dhr must negotiate a term into the new contract guaranteeing that the p.o.a. will not blocks reforms and make the city less safe. the p.o.a. must agree not to block implementations -- i've

testified in this chamber before about my work on the blue ribbon panel on transparency accountability and fairness in law enforcement. these negotiations over a new contract are a rare opportunity for the city to address one of the panel's major findings. the p.o.a. has undue and excessive power over the city's public safety policy. dhr may claim that it's negotiating the best contract it can for the city within the norms of labor negotiation. but now is not the time for norm. it is not the time for business as usually. it is past time to be courageous and make a bold demand at the negotiating table, one that is narrowly tied to solving the institutional barrier for safety. with you understand that the institution takes lead from the mayor. we are very concerned about the mayor's conflict of interest in this regard, and have asked him to stay direction to the board

of supervisors for this very limited purpose. as you've already stated, the mayor's pro-p.o.a. position on the tazer initiative, and the appointment of a p.o.a. consultant reflects his conflict of interest. we're here to ask you to adopt our demands. this means doing everything in your power to influence dhr to put the dog cops report demand on the table. thank you. >> supervisor kim: thank you. >> yes. my name is edwin wiataite, andm retired after 25 years at san francisco state university, public relations. i just want to address one thing. everyone else has spoken so eloquently about the issues in our communities that we live in in san francisco and to some of the other legal issues that have come up. but specifically, i understand

that the p.o.a. has filed a lawsuit saying that the city has failed to meet and confer over the initiation of work rules that would address potentially lethal force. that is totally and apparently from the news untrue. there is a difference between the failure to meet and confer and the failure to come to agreement. and so the p.o.a. is changing the agreement. so i ask you to stay focused on the issues 234 what tin what tn do to complete these negotiations in a fair and honorable way. thank you very much. >> good morning, supervisors. >> good morning. my name is susana rojas, and we are a coalition representing nine people. there are more of us, and we

are the justice for jesus adolfo delgado juarez coalition, and right now, i am going to be translating for mr. jose juarez who is jesus delgado's father. [ speaking in spanish ] >> my name is jose, and i'm adolfo's father, and he is a person that the police killed and maimed, and we didn't realize how that was going to

leave us. and i heard the chief ask for money for training. my question is where is that money going? where is the training that teaches them how to deal with people and how to deescalate? [ speaking in spanish ] >> thank you. >> supervisor kim: thank you very much for coming personally today. >> hi. my name's casey brown gallardo, and i'm a member for the justice for adolfo coalition. i know you both. we've worked on domestic violence prevention. today i come before you humbled, because it is all of our fault. we all failed this young man. it's not only the p.o.a., it's not only the police, it's all of us. where were the vans doing outreach? there's so many questions why this happened, but i'm here before you to tell you we want

to work to figure this out. we want police reform as much as you guys. i have seen both of you and malia champion police reforms. i trust that today is a new day in san francisco. i trust that this city, that this board, that this community, that everyone who has come before you here today is invested in working for social justice, in working at putting these contractings in, these blue ribbon recommendations. somebody that will come out and negotiate before a gun gets fired. it was -- it was -- i don't even know how many minutes before the officers starting shootin'. that is not enough. we have more time to negotiate life. life is the only thing in this world that matters. i know it matters to you guys. it definitely matters to our community. and we need police reform. it is a systematic institution mindset that needs to be changed. and guess what? our community, we also need to

change the mindset because we don't trust police. there is he a lot of reasons w. i can't go into it. i don't have all days, but we need to figure outweighs of working together. you have experts in your community. you know them, they come and advocate before you every day. let's change this. let's make this something that truly represents everyone that san francisco can be. no justice, no deal. >> good morning, supervisors. i'm julian gross. i'm a local attorney with policy link. i'm also a resident of san francisco. i have been assisting the no justice, no deal coalition on legal points related to this campaign, so i just wanted to emphasize a couple legal points. first of all, i regularly represent public entities, including local jurisdictions, local cities, state of california in complex negotiations with building

trades unions over pla's, negotiations with developers, as well as representing community groups, so i have come at this from a lot of different angles, and i really appreciate your leadership as the board in wanting to play a role in being involved with giving clear instructions to your negotiating team and looking over the outcomes of negotiations where you can. couple legal points. one on the public use of force policy, the current briefing by the city in front of the court of peal, is that the city does not have a legal obligation to negotiate use of force policies because they're not within the scope of working additions, they're part of the fundamental management prerogative. that's the city's position, and that was their point all look. having spoken to people, i've heard some demands that the core demand, that the p.o.a. in

the future, not to invoke these meet and confer interest arbitration rights with regard to implementation of the dog recommendation. i've heard rumblings that that might not be a legitimate thing that the city can ask of the p.o.a., but i want to point out that the mou contains two things that the p.o.a. greed to with regard this with regard to future decisions by the city. that's in paragraph 12 and paragraph 299, in this act. thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm john talbot, the token mba from the no justice, no deal coalition. and i want to speak from the point of view of culture change. we are at a crucial time in the