the city not only has the money to do the design work and planning work in order to make sure we could build this, but we have money both in the 2014 transportation and mode improvement bond. please stand by.

>> but meanwhile, we'll have cleared the entire thing and done a significant design work for it, as well -- environmentally cleared. >> thank you for good work. >> thank you, council member williams. council member orkid sousouni?

>> i like the idea of the -- the public transportation is very useful, and as i mentioned, the islands are so unsafe. and as a if a deaf person, if a car is going by very quickly, i don't know about it until it's very close. there's also no overhead shelter for the rain, and i don't know if you're proposing ni anything like that. as for the crowding, it's very intense, so sometimes people wait across the street to wait for the bus to come. now as a bicyclist, i notice that many bicyclists just zoom past in that area and it doesn't give people a chance to cross, so perhaps another suggestion would be also to have a separate signal for bicyclists only. i know that many bicyclists don't follow the street signals because they're designed for cars, but they could become this whole separate transportation category, so again for me as a deaf person, it's very dangerous for me to

have other bicyclists go by, yelling at me if i can't hear that. so again, going back to it being wide, that's wonderful. however for deaf people, there is no -- you often discover quite a lot of bad do in those areas, so if there were garbage cans designed specifically for that in that area, that would be great. there's also needles and a lot of stuff in that area, and there's not trash cans for people to put them in. last one, when you're talking about crosswalks, i'm wondering if you -- sorry. the interpreter has to ask for clarification. have you thought about -- >> a scramble? >> yeah, some -- like, this multiple cross ways at the same time versus singular crossing at the same time. >> i don't know if that's effective, if that's safe,

having people out in the middle of the street when traffic is going by, not sure about that, but just wanted to know if you inquired about that, and that's my last question. >> and i really appreciate you using so many different modes, and often we'll get people commenting on one mode. i think when people experience them all, then it's easy to balance the competing needs. you had a lot of comments, and i hope we get a written comment because it's a lot of things to think about. trash cans with lids are one of the things that we're talking about, as well as trash cans on the muni islands. as for the scramble, we did consider doing a scramble which basically allows you to cross all four directions at once. itself on market street, it does not work for us to allow the signal timing. i'm going to call my colleague from the mta because he's going to be better at talking about

why. >> hi. my name is ian traut, and i'm a senior designer at the municipal transportation agency. one of the main reasons was the width of the intersection, as well as the street car tracks were the two main reasons why we thought that pedestrians scrambles would not work on market street. however, some of the intersections on the north side of market, such as o'farrell, grant and market, as an example already sort of function as a scramble today. so we are looking at those kind of -- the -- the intersections on the north side where the street grid is a little bit different, so... >> and i apologize. i know you had a lot of questions about the design of the islands and also the design of the bike way, but i was trying to keep track of them. is there one in particular that

i could answer or do you just want to make sure we address it when we see the written comments? >> well, i was more of just suggesting -- the problem with the islands is it's great that you're going to increase the size, but part of the problem is getting to the island. >> yeah. >> because so often, bicyclists go by so quickly, they feel they have the right to run the red light. >> yeah. >> so it's difficult to try to wait to catch the bus. it's great that you're going to expand them, but it's just that there's still going to be the danger of crossing the street to get there, so it is just a challenging situation. my suggestion is maybe perhaps creating a separate signal for bicycle traffic. i don't know if you're even willing to do that, but just to consider a separate traffic category to try to get them to stop. >> yeah. we actually are adding a significant number of bicycle signals, and i think you're absolutely right that in some cases, and i've witnessed it personally, there'll be a

midblock crossing, for example in front of 1155 market, that bicycles often blow through it. there's a red light and it even says stop, but they're thinking it's for the cars and not the bicycle. so in that case, a little red bicycle, and a whole host of engineering improvements. ian has some great ideas in terms of stripage and signage that make it clear that they're really supposed to stop there. it's just for people to cross, it's not if it's safe, it's okay for the bicyclists to blow through. i think we're trying to design the bike way, the entire motivation behind it is with a better and safer bicycle facility, we can expect people to behave better. that's the way we're approaching it. right now it's a little bit of the wild west out there if there's no bike lane, and so people are -- i think there's no control, and i think as we provide a safer facility, then, the expectation is that people will start to behave, also in a

way that is a little bit more respectful of others on the street. and with all of the things that we mentioned about crossings and how people get to the islands, both on the curb side islands, we're thinking very carefully how to reduce those islands. we're also thinking about is there a system of way finding for people who are on the sidewalk to understand how to get to the islands -- the center boarding islands that are right out in the middle of the street. and i don't know, virginia, if you want to talk about that, but that's an idea -- there is a tactile way finding that we can design that would help people know what's out on the tactile and other way finding that would help people understand what's on the -- do you want to talk about it? >> hi. i'm virginia rutka with

accessible of th accessible services at sf mta. we're looking to see if we could employ something on market street, as well, and that would be part as simon mentioned a whole system of way finding techniques. >> including some guidance in the paving itself that would help people understand where to turn for the -- for the -- for the islands, and then, the islands themselves, there will be shelters. right now we'd be considering they'd be some version of the clear channel shelters out there today. we have heard from a number of constituents that they wished there would be something other than the clear way shelters, the muni shelters, so we are thinking of something, beside there's a whole legal system of things with the mta and dealing with their shelterum ises, but we are working on that. >> thank you, council member

sousounni. council member smolinski monthly month. >> i'm curious whether your proposal for a 15 foot sidewalk allows for cafe seating and all that kind of stuff because i can imagine the pedestrian walkway getting squeezed out little by little. >> yeah, that is a great question and it actually anticipates some ideas that we are thinking about right now. if you go to market street today, there are a number of locations where there are tables right now, and i think it's contributing to the feeling of a very livly street, and we want to figure out a way to support them while maintaining adequate pedestrian through way. so a couple of the chairs and tables today, with the double row of trees, there are some pinch points with the current situation. we are hoping to -- if you imagine that 15 feet that we're talking about, if we took

7 feet for a satisfy a table and chairs down, then there's only 8 feet for the through way. so what we have to look at is what's in the furnishing zone adjacent to these areas that we might want to have cafe excitit

>> i have a few thoughts that maybe we can expand on for a few more minutes, if that's okay. first, if we could, you

mentioned briefly the b.a.r.t. portals. can you speak to proposed changes around the portals as it relates to navigation for folks? >> so b.a.r.t. has a program that is going to be replacing all of the escalators on market street and provide canopies and as part of those, they are going to be including some kind of way finding built into the canopies themselves. there's going to be some kind of maps related to -- sort of like the mtc maps -- there's maps on posts today on market street that have some way finding. b.a.r.t. is proposing to include some dwisadditional wa finding. other than that, the only -- the only thing we'll see is that there'll be canopies over those. we're not changing the dimensions of those openings at

all, it's just canopies. b.a.r.t. is proposing to close the two entrances on the western end of civic station in front of the hotel widcomb and burger king. in fact they've already closed that one. >> that's what i was getting at. otherwise, it doesn't sound like their significant proposed changes to the location of the portals. >> except for that one close you ar ing, that's the only one i know about. >> thanks, and then, i was wondering if you could expand on part of what will need to happen we think around this project is also a significant educational campaign so that folks know, you know, what's happening and this is of course -- that's part of that, but can they speak to maybe

what either dpw or main ian is -- is knowledgeable on this, too in terms of what we've done in speaking to folks like the bicycle coalition who previously spoke to this council about engaging with the disability community, as well, around their part in educating around safe crossing and pedestrian safety. >> so i think it's clearly been identified that education campaign is going to have to be a part of making this work successfully. not only are there going to be significant changes to vehicle access, but these flex zones, the way the bike way works, the way the transit islands work, all of these things are going to be relatively new to san franciscans, so we're going to have to come up with a way to educate everyone on market street in particular on the bicycle lane because one of the

consistent comments we get is concern about some bad bicyclists' behavior that feels threatening that puts people at danger, at risk. so we have talked to the bicycle coalition. they're very supportive of this plan, but they also recognize that this bicycle lane is not designed for the speediest commuter, so this is not a bicycle lane that is about the fastest way down market street, but what it is designed to do is provide a very safeway to get down market street, so we expect many different types of users to be able to start feeling comfortable to bicycle on market street, and we have a whole host of bicycle sharing on market street, so we envision tourists and younger people and older people are going to feel comfortable about bicycling on market street. but we have talked to them about the need for an education cycle on market street. for this to work, we're going to have to help people understand how to use it. do you want to say anything?

>> this is ian traut again. i would just like to add in traffic engineering, traffic safety, we call it the three e's to traffic safety: engineering, education and enforcement and education is really one of those three key pillars. and we've already spoken with the light house for the blind and they've mentioned the use of tactile maps because we are, as simon mentioned, we're making pretty significant changes to the lengths of the boarding islands and also the location of the transit stops, and -- and again, we're working through the strategy, but that is going to be really a key point for this project. >> thank you. and finally, i have one last question before we move to public comment. and so we've talked a little bit about the timeline for the project itself. in -- within that how long do you anticipate taking feedback from -- from the public about disability access issues? >> so i'd say there are a

couple different tracks of feedback. i mean one is going to be our environmental reprocess. there are very clear moments where we're going to get feedback on our draft eir. we're publishing one at the end of this year, and then, one about six months later. but we'd actually like to get more like design input as we're moving from this 10 percent percent conceptualization of market street towards 30% schematic drawings for market street, we want to make sure we are developing a plan for this buffer for the crossings, for the boarding islandeds, and that's where we need the feedback from the disability community. it's going to be a little bit of back and forth, because we need to find out what the concerns are, show them, do you think this is actually going to work. i would just call out walk sf recently hosted a meeting on bicycle facilities in the city and interaction with pedestrian

safety, that i attended with a lot of my colleagues, that i thought was very successful, and i was very heartened to hear at my table some representatives from the light house getting really interested in coming up with this idea of what's the tactile solution that's not 3 feet wide of detectible domes all along market street. we're going to have to tap into that interest to get good feedback, because we need that to be safe, and the only way we're going to be able to do that is a little bit of back and forth. >> so do you anticipate that's going to be going on for about six months. >> yeah, for about six months. we're going to be starting detailed design at the end of this summer. so april, may, june, july. i'd say six months is about exactly right. we really want to start to bring in focus what these improvements actually look like. there's a whole bunch of drawing that has to take place after that, but it's always our intent to make most of the decisions early, because if you

make them later, it just ends up costing money and time. so yeah, six months is a good estimate. >> okay. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> we'll definitely want you back in that time frame to hear about any updates and feedback you're getting from the community. so i want to thank you for being here, from our presenters, and i'm going to go ahead and open it up to any public comment on this agenda item. so do we have any requests for anyone to speak, any public comment? >> yes. >> oh, please come to the podium. thank you. >> i'm bob planthold. i've been a member of the citizens advisory committee for this second major phase for some time. it's been a learning experience for me, but i also want to tell you the staff have been very responsive and never dismissive when i raise a question or make

a suggestion about some accessible feature or some change suggestion. beyond that, i want to say that people who are representing other constituencies have been separatelily independently responsive. one example, janice lee from the bike coalition has come up with some suggestions that are supportive. i'm almost always the only person with a known disability present. there's room for more people with more disabilities to come, to attend, to show up, to make public comment. these are held typically at the 30 vanness offices of dpw, so that's vanness and market, with multiple muni lines intersecting, and it's after work, like 6:00 to 7:30 so whatever job you have, you can get there. it's not every month, but you

can come, make public comment. m.o.d. can get on-line and send it to you folks. i do want to say that separate from, in addition to enforcement regarding what has been already acknowledged as a bike anythiflagrant violation it's going to help if the board makes some resolution or public comment about the need for education and enforcement, and here's why. a couple of years ago i persuaded a then command staff police officer whose responsibility included that area to do a sting for a couple of weeks about bicyclists blowing through the midblock crossing between 7th and 8th, because i mentioned that's where the m.o.d., that's where the b.a.r.t. elevator is, that's where the muni crossing is. it happened for about two weeks. and he was transferred to the

equivalent of siberia that's not conducive for advancement career wise. he's back now in the mainstream of san francisco, but the point is, you need to make sure through some formal statement that education and enforcement of bicyclists is important and necessary on an ongoing basis so that police have that piece of paper to be able to show to anybody who says, well, bicyclists are being perpersecutpersecuted or being particularly picked upon. ain't so, but until you do it it tends to be looked at as individual, and therefore neglected. >> thank you. is there any other public comment on this agenda item, please come forward to the podium -- oh . thank you.

go ahead. >> yes. i come to you with some background in this concern of pedestrian safety for our seniors and people with disabilities as i held that seat on the pedestrian safety advisory committee for ten years, serving under the will of the board of supervisors and the mayor. and i pose this question so tou and to tim. i did not hear at all in this presentation on the redesign of market street about inclusion of a.p.s. where will assistance devices be installed on the medians or the sidewalk with people with impaired vision to cross from the bus stop median or to the sidewalk? that was not described, and i am rather bewildered by that omission in this redesign of market street and other wide arterial streets in san francisco that contain a median such as masonic, such as

vanness avenue. where is it in market street? >> thank you. is there anyone on the bridge line as -- that would like to comment it? >> on the mayor's office of disability committee? >> yes, you are. >> yes, i'd like to have a word with the committee to express my means for disability change. i'm allowed three minutes, i think. >> yes, go ahead, please. >> when would i do that? >> now. you can start now. >> and who will be listening? >> right now, you're on the bridge line during the mayor's disability council meeting, so the council would be listening. >> when i speak on the dome, who will be listening to me? >> the mayor's disability council plus the public that's attending the meeting.

>> yes. i've been to the meetings before, but i'm not well enough to go to the meeting, and i don't drive anymore. so when should i start my three minutes? >> you can go ahead and start now, please. >> okay. my name is bruce steer. i'm a retired physician. i'm also the retired member of the california student legislature. i would like the council to look into the matter of handrails -- mandatory handrails on all public staircases. there are many staircases in the city of san francisco that do not have railings, and this, of course, is dangerous, a safety issue. public safety issue, especially for seniors and little children. handrails are mandatory by the state law.

give you an example of the one place that should definitely have handrails are the lower seats at at&t park. they do not have handrails. i addressed, and their lawyers won on appeals because the americans with disability act says they only deal with issues for disabled people, and obviously, there are a lot of people who are not disabled when they go to the stadium. but nevertheless, they should have handrails, which it's a mandatory state law, which they have evaded thanks to previous supervisors and mayors who allowed the permit to go through. thank you. >> thank you, sir, for your comment. any other public comment at this time. >> there's one more. >> oh, thank you very much. >> zach, are you on --

>> yes. >> hold on. who's on bridge? excuse me. we have somebody coming up to the podium. would you mind holding? >> i don't mind holding at all. >> go ahead. >> thank you for the opportunity to be here again. my name is ann yeekw kwan. i was to echo what council member sosounni mentioned about having bicycle lanes, and having clear signaling when bikes cross and pedestrians cross. i used to live in santa barbara shabarbara -- santa barbara, and they used to have a huge range of bike lanes. they tried to put in signage which was not well followed by the bicyclists, so perhaps more

positive engagement, which i'm hearing -- i'm heartened to hear has already happened between the disability community and the bicyclists coalition, i think that would be helpful so there's more education and proactive rather than reactive measures. second of all, to the point of creating or placing way finding indicators on the corner prior to crossing the island busloading zones, i think would definitely be helpful because i personally have had and have heard from others, and they would cross krots, not knowing what buses or amenities are on there, and that created more confusion and congestion, so those are my kind of feedbacks and comments. thank you again. >> thank you for your comments. okay. i'd like to go back to our call canner on t er on the bridge line. are you still there?

>> yes, i'm still there. >> there's another caller on the bridge line. zach, are you still there? >> yes. >> yes. go ahead. >> hi. my name is zach carnesies, and i really appreciate the presentation that was given. i think this is a very ambitious and important project, and i -- it sounds like you really care about disabled input, which is really heartening to hear. however that's not always been my experience with sf mta. i tried to attend the access disability hearing and was denied because they do not provide a bridge line, and i was told someone would call me that i could join that meeting, and no one did. in addition, it's been very difficult to engage with matthew west, except he's been quite dismissive about a lot of concerns i've brought up with sf mta, and it's also taken a lot of e-mailing and calling and talking to supervisors --

or within the customer service of sf mta to get any sort of issues addressed around disability needs and accessibility issues that i've had. it's taken a lot of persistence and multiple e-mails and calls, and so i'm interested in how details -- the actual details of this project, how the disabled voice will be -- will be reached out and heard specifically with the notices that are posted by sf mta. i've noticed they're often very small, often 12 point or 14.23 ont, very small, so people in wheelchairs can't read them easily. i've never seen a notice from the sf mta saying we really want to hear your voice, we really want to do our best to help you come to our meetings. it's usually this is what we're doing language, and if you have a problem, call us. it would be really nice to see

a more positive dialogue encouraged, and for the public at large could be reached out to specifically and not just organizations that work within san francisco and nonprofits. and again, i really want to say, i think this project sounds terrific. it sounds like you really care, and i am super happy to hear that, and i just want to be involved. i'm a member of the public. i have disabilities, and i found being a wheelchair user, trying to be involved in this has just become -- has seemed very difficult for me, and it's been a very difficult challenge, and i'd love to see some of those challenges alleviated and so more people can be included in those conversations because it is a great conversation, and this is a great discussion happening here today, and i'm very happy to be a part of it. thank you so much. >> thank you for your comment. we're going to go ahead and close public comment on this agenda item, so thank you, everyone. i'm sorry.

is there someone else that has a public comment? okay. thank you so much, staff. okay. we're going to move onto public comment, item number nine. items not on today's agenda but within the jurisdiction of mdc, and i believe we have a speaker's card. >> we do. hillary brown. hillary brown. that was for early? okay. okay. so we've got it. >> all right. we just wanted to make sure we can fit her in. thank you so much. okay. is there any other public comment not on today's agenda? okay. please come up to the podium. thank you. >> there will be an event celebrated on may -- wednesday, may 9th, held by sf mta and senior disability action at the intersection of geary and masonic regarding the changes

that sf mta has made at that intersection and they're subsequently doing all over the city that makes it safer for pedestrians to go from curb to curb. it is at 11:00 a.m. that the this event occurs at the intersection of geary and masonic, so that's a little under three weeks from now, and at the event, you can hear, and it will be told to all from various speakers about how that intersection and all intersections in this city will be safer in the timing from someone to go from curb to curb on wednesday, may 9th. thank you. >> thank you. any other public comment? okay. we're going to go ahead and close public comment. we're going to go to information item number ten, correspondence. staff, heather?

thank you. >> there is no correspondence. >> okay. we're going to move onto discussion item number 11, council member comments and announcements, and i believe council member williams has an announcement. >> i do. i'd like you to save two wonderful dates in the month of june. as you know, pride is coming up. our pride week is coming up, and the light house is going to be very involved this year, putting on a wonderful show. last year, we were marching in the parade. it was so much fun, and we thought how wonderful it would be if we invited other members of the disabled community to join us, so it could be as an individual, it could be as a group. so reach out to those associate -- those of you who are associated with community providers in -- with other disabilities. we'd very much like to have us sponsor you going in that parade. we are going to have two events at the light house, one on june

21st. would it be an imposition for miss laura miller to tell us a little bit more about that? is she in the audience? >> yes, she's approaching. >> thank you so much, laura. i know i'm really going to be in a lot of trouble after this. >> thank you, miss miller, for your im3 romptu. >> my name is laura miller, and i am with the light house for the blind, and we will be marching in the pride parade. that will be fully accessible for anyone who wishes to join us. and then, before that, on june 21st, we will be hosting a happy hour for our community at the light house and having a panel discussion about the intersectionality of what it means to live at multiple marginalized identities, and we'll be talking about employment and housing, health,

relationships, all of those kind o kinds of things, so we'd really like to invite the lgbt community to the light house for those two events. >> thank you, laura. now you know why i could not remember all of that. >> thank you, council member williams. i know we want to adjourn, but i wanted to read something that was interesting. the sf mta, multiaccessible advisory committee, mac, is a group of 21 seniors and customers with disabilities who regularly meet to discuss sf mta services and that was mentioned in public comment earlier to provide input on public accessibility issues and is dedicated to maintaining and expanding the accessibility for san francisco public streets and public transportation, and they definitely like to hear from the disability and senior community. so if you're interested in attending these meetings or applying to serve on the

committee, please contact heidi seratin at heidiseratin@gmail.com for more information. i want to thank everybody for coming to our meeting. great exchange of ideas and information. i hope you come to our next meeting, and thank you everyone for attending, and we're going to adjourn it. bye-bye.

hello welcome to public works tv. i'm miguel and i will be your host today. before we go on, let's look at our past week. this past week, we gathered at jean parker elementary school in chinatown to unveil a street scape that keeps traffic safety tips to students. speaking of safer san francisco, our crews installed concrete island separators on upper market streets. we were honored to participate in the mayoral for pit stop worker who recent low helped save two lives in one day monitoring one of the pit stop in the tenderloin.

did you know that public works runs the city's subdivision and mapping division in this week we're hanging out with bruce, the city and county of san francisco surveyor who leads the team that keeps s.f. in line and on point. let's look. my name is bruce and i am the city and county surveyor for the city and county of san francisco. i've had this position for 13 years. the city and county surveyor is in charge of processing all the subdivisions within the city as well as trying to do most of the field work for all the additional agencies. >> what is a survey? >> in the early development of the country, there were a lot of surveys not only provided mapping but they provided geographical information and soil samples and things like that. the sort of the seat of the pants definition is the art and science of locating lines and

points on the surface of the earth. and now of course it's three dimensional so it's off the surface of the earth. >> how precise are these surveys? >> there's 25.4 millimeters in a inch and we can survey down to a couple of millimeters. we can survey less than an eighth of an inch. >> why is surveying important? >> just about everything you see out on the street has been surveyed and the curb, gutter, sidewalk, streets, the building are laid out by surveyors. san francisco has a fascinating history and virtually all of it was laid out by surveyors. >> are there any famous surveyors? >> farrell street is the first city surveyor. eddy street was the second surveyor. look at mount rushmore, the only guy up there that wasn't fifth surveyor was roosevelt. washington, lincoln, and

jefferson was a surveyor. >> is a monument? >> this is a monument. this is for part of our high precision network. these are monuments that similar to what they set out of mer said. this is a plastic cap that has a license number and this goes on top of a rebar. there's monuments everywhere. anything can be a monument. mount die ab low is a monument and it defines the public lands and most of the public lands in california and all of nevada. >> has surveying changed through the years? >> so we went from what they traditionally they called it a chain that was steel tape we measure with. we went to e.d. m., and then we moved into g.p.s. and the g.p.s., when i was in school in the late 80s, you had to plan your g.p.s. observations over when you knew that the

constellation of satellites would pass over your spot. but there's 35 or 40 up there and they keep adding more and more and more. >> can i be a surveyor? what do i need to know? >> you have to know math and you have to know some unusual math. you know, you need to know how to add and subtract angles in your head. there's plenty of judgment calls that aren't strictly math. there's a lot of people who think that you can open up a book some place and the answer is there. or you go up to their house and you look at a book and map and say oh, it's right there. it's not like that at all. you have to look at their deed, the a joiners deed, you have to look at whole block. you have to analyze stuff. you have to be able to write a legal description of a piece of property so that someone 100 years from now can go out and resurvey it and find it on the ground. there's a lot of our work will be examined over and over and over again for hundreds of

years. >> what do you like about being a surveyor? >> so many things appeal to me. you can get dirty and do hard, physical labor all daylong. hard, hard, physical labor. swinging a hammer, pounding things into the ground, out in the heat and out in the dirt. so that appeals to the kid in me and being in the sand box. today, we have these machines, we have these state of the art toys that are phenomenal that have blue tooth capabilities. we have drones that can fly over and provide you accurate information in a very short period of time. we have a laser scanner that can take several hundred thousand survey grade shots in minutes.

we did a laser scan all of market street and i think there was three billion points taken in that survey. thank you for watching public works tv. thank you, bruce. we hope you enjoyed this episode. if you did, give us a thumbs up or leave a comment bell below. you can follow us on facebook, twitter and instagram. until next time, thank you for tuning into public works tv. hello, my name is bob and i'm a junior administrative analyst. we are review issue permits to the city to ensure compliance and maintenance of the public right of way. i am public works. >> together we are

>> clerk: good evening. welcome to the 2018 meeting of the san francisco board of appeals. board president, frank fung will be the presiding officer >> supervisor kim:ed by rick swig, commissioner honda and commissioner lazarus. at the controls is the board's legal assistant, gary. i'm julie rosenberg, the board's executive director. w