>> supervisor tang: okay. >> supervisor safai: thank you to supervisor kim for bringing this resolution forward, because there's a lot of important issues brought forward here. i've heard from a significant number of constituents from my district as well, particularly around the issue of -- as it pertains to s.t.e.m. and unified school district and the thousands of children that use the marina on an annual basis, but there's a lot of really important environmental issues that are brought up in this resolution. and i know that there was 2006, 2011, and those environmental impact reports, some of the things -- how were the issues of the impact to the natural resources and discussion of dredging. this is something i've heard from eel grass beds. i don't know what it is, but i know it's important to the cove. how were the issues addressed and were they talked about in

the environmental reviews? >> yes. eel grass was identified in 2006 and 2011 e.i.r.s and the development of the marina is required to be -- to preserve and not jeopardize those beds. and then the other issue that's discussed extensively in the resolution is sedimentation and dredging. all of those issues will be -- the next step beyond securing our lease for the program will be for the applicant to go to the bay conservation development commission and the joint aquatic resourcing project that includes the army corps of engineers and department of fish and wildlife to do the initial analysis on an

interactive basis with those bodies to demonstrate both the dredging activities as well as the speed of boats are protective of the eel grass beds. but the eel grass beds, as i said, was identified -- >> supervisor safai: and that has to be written into the lease agreement prior to the lease agreement being executed? it has to be worked out with bcdc? is that what you said? >> no. the opposite. we anticipate treasure island enterprise needs to get the lease in place to move to the next stage and financing and permitting with bcdc. so anticipate bringing the leases to the board of supervisors and then with the lease in place, the treasure island enterprises would move to

bcdc for that next stage of the process of permitting. >> supervisor safai: what i get from a lot of the emails and the resolution put forward is there is consternation about the size of the marina and impact it will have on existing uses and the environment. i don't know if i heard you clearly, but will the existing educational uses be impacted by the size of the marina? >> i don't believe the exist existeducational resources will. it may affect future expansion plans. >> supervisor safai: so if it's -- would it be okay if we call up the person from the sailing center? >> supervisor tang: yes. we have several members of the public that are available to

answer questions. carissa harris and avery whitmarsh, sailing center. and red jipson from u.s. sailing. i think i need to clarify, director beck. i think supervisor safai is asking, if we move forward with the program, would that impact the current educational program? >> it is my understanding that it would not. >> supervisor tang: so we can greatly expand the slips and size of boats in clipper cove and it would not impact the educational programs offered today? >> that is my understanding. >> supervisor tang: thank you. >> supervisor safai: through the chair, can we call someone from the sailing center? >> supervisor tang: absolutely. harris adamson? if i did call your name, if you don't mind sitting in the front row so you can be available for

questions, that would be great. >> i'm dr. adamson, for the record, chair of the treasure island sailing center. >> supervisor safai: thank you. sorry. juggling a lot of things today. i wanted to hear from your perspective. supervisor kim asked the same question to director beck -- i've seen emails. i don't know if it's from you in 2011, but, we've come to an agreement. we agreed on something. i care deeply about the educational programs and i know a lot of the children, family and educators, and it's a phenomenal resource. do you believe the proposed development impacts the current uses for educational opportunities.

>> thank you for having me up to clarify and i understand your interest and support of the programs. i really do. just for the record, i have been with the organization since its inception. i was the first instructor at treasure island sailing center. i've been on the u.s. sailing team three times, so i'm very aware of what kind of space requirements are needed for beginner sailing as well as all the way through to advanced sailing. the current marina plan does have a negative impact on our current programs. i can clarify specifically which ones those are. our youth beginner program requires new sailors to sail up to the beach, to be able to practice in lighter winds. the current marina plan makes it very difficult to do that. that's a fundamental change. so that's --

>> supervisor safai: is that for children specifically? >> yes. we start at age 6 and go up to 18. that particular use would be difficult for very beginners and the primary ages for those students are typically in the 7- to 12-year-old range. >> supervisor safai: because they would shift to an area that's not as calm? >> the area they would be sailing in is windier and deeper. a and, again, access to the beach is what is critical for capsize drills, etc. so we would have to tow a boat up there and they would likely not be able to sail there themselves. >> supervisor safai: this is not a game of gotcha, but because i've only been getting up to speed on this more recently. there's an email from 2016 that -- from you to the board that you said, you are happy to say

that you have come to an agreement on the size of the footprint. so is that more of a -- >> well, i can clarify. >> supervisor safai: is that what you felt at the time but you are not 100% happy -- >> i can clarify that. when we were faced with the new marina proposal that was not shared with us necessarily proactively at all. so it was actually submitted as part of a meeting. someone told us about it. we found it, identified it, realized it was different than what we had seen prior. and, you know, we were faced with potentially having to shut down. so when we say we were happy, we were happy to continue our foundation that we've been building over the last 20 years. >> supervisor safai: is this a-25c footprint something you were presented that is not what

the 400-slip marina -- is it different or the same? >> i will have to -- we presented three marina configurations. there was a minimal impact, which was our preference, moderate and maximal. they went with maximal. it allows us to continue most of our programs in the sense that -- some shade of it, but it certainly eliminates the access to beach. >> supervisor safai: the point is -- >> it limits drastically the beginners getting to the beach, our set-sail-learn program as well as high school and college sailing. >> supervisor safai: okay. so it sounds like there were plans that were presented to you, multiple plans, but the one going forward presented today, has the most impact on -- the

one we have in front of us, the 400 plus, has impact. >> it's a 313-marina plan. >> supervisor safai: 400 was previous. 313 is before us today. >> correct. >> supervisor safai: and it has significant impact from your perspective. >> less than 400, but significant still. >> supervisor safai: thank you. i don't have any other questions right now. >> supervisor tang: thank you very much. are there any other questions? >> supervisor kim: going through the resolution, because it was packed with quite a few things, environmental or ceqa-related or the financial, fiscal feasibility of the project. this would probably be a question for the director or if the project sponsor is here. there was a -- i had received some -- an email or a couple saying that the project sponsor

did not have -- was not able to demonstrate fiscal feasibility for the project. and i wanted to know if we can reconcile that fact. >> the project sponsor, treasure island enterprises, is also here to speak to that. i believe that comment refers to -- referred to the deliberations with the division of boating and waterways regarding a $4.2 million loan that was approved to finance the marina expansion. but i think it's worth noting that they did get that loan approved and we fully anticipate when we bring the leases to the

board of supervisors working through with the legislative analyst a thorough vetting of the project and any problems that may arise. >> supervisor tang: thank you. can the project sponsor come up and weigh in on this? in particular, i will paraphrase from email correspondence that i received, that a financial feasibility study on the current marina proposal published in april last year finds that the developer proposal failed to account for the costs of of theed -- the costs and maintenance and finds that it increased the risk of project default and so forth and

underestimating revenue and expenses. if you could just respond to that, that would be great. >> certainly. thank you, madam chair and fellow board members. i'm jay wallace. first of all, before i answer the question, i want to say a couple of things. one, we're really very delighted and pleased over the support we've seen from the board of supervisors. supervisor kim, her predecessor, supervisor daly, they're home-base supervisors. we've had great relations with the board of supervisors and our district supervisor and for that, we want to thank you. i want to share supervisor kim's earlier comments. we, too, want to protect the cove and make sure that the kids are safe and that the program continues, which is why we engaged in good faith negotiations for close to two years with the sailing center to

try to accommodate all of that. as to the specific question, madam chair, we had three meetings with the division, boating and waterways. many people that are here today were at those meetings. hunter and i -- you will probably hear from hunter -- chased each other around to sacramento, long beach and i think san francisco, so we covered the state. we were required as part of the granting of the loan to come up with a dredge reserve to take care of this issue. it was something that is very unusual as i understand it in the marina business, but it was a requirement imposed on us. and as a condition, a mitigation measure, there is -- and i don't remember the dollar amount -- i think it is $250,000, to have a revolving fund for at all times.

nonetheless, there's a requirement in the division of boating and waterway loan that we have a dredge reserve to cover these issues. i hope that answers the question. >> supervisor tang: supervisor safai? >> supervisor safai: did you say something about the depth of the cove? >> i did not specifically. i said we're required to have a dredging reserve fund to take -- to be in place so that in the future should there be a need for additional dredging, so we're not looking for available funds. >> supervisor safai: you are required to have a financial reserve designated specifically to deal with the issue of dredging and depth of the cove? >> yes. >> supervisor safai: it's in the

lease? >> i believe so. bob, maybe you can help me, but it certainly is a condition of the granting of our loan. i think it is in the lease actually, as i recall. >> supervisor safai: the reason i ask that, because it's specifically called out here in the resolution, so i wanted to make sure if that's something that you guys were already dealing with. >> yes, i believe so. >> supervisor safai: and what about the issue that we just heard from the san francisco sailing center about the impact to existing programs? you sent us a letter with attachments and talks about that there was agreements, but it sounds like there was multiple plans presented. can you talk a little bit about that? >> certainly. to reiterate quickly, '96, the marina was conceived as a reuse plan. 2006, approved as 400-slip

arena. it was approved 11-0. 2011, master development came up. supervisor kim, you were part of that vote. it, too, was approved 11-0. between 2011-2015, there was a ceqa lawsuit that was defeated. so in 2015, we decided, like the sailing center, to move forward with our plans to finish up the permitting and the financing. in 2015 at the end of the year, i received a phone call -- and by the way, during 2006 and 2011, the 400-slip marina, which was 2,200 linear feet long, now it's 880, so you can see we shrunk 1,300 feet. in 2006 and 2011, nobody in this audience opposed the marina, including the sailing center. and they were well aware what we

were doing. we were coordinating with them. to this day, we support all the activities of the sailing center, of their youth programming. 2015, i received a phone call through bob beck at the sailing center, wanted to meet with us. we immediately decided to meet with them. we spent most of 2016 and a little bit of 2017 in conversation with the sailing center, members of the community, hunter cuttings participated in those conversations. board of supervisors offices convened several of those meetings, yes, we went from 400 to 380 to 360 to 330 and ultimately settled on 313 slips. we did that with the help of the board offices. we did that with good faith conversations with the sailing center. we believed, as bob beck indicated, that our compromise

from 400 down to 313 slips, compromise on the length of the dock, and the wave attenuator, all complications conversations, but we shrunk and shrunk and shrunk because we had one goal in mind -- that the sailing center's programs could continue and the kids could be safe. there may be some questions about that today, but in october, early november, when we were called in, i was there, my business partner, hunter cutting, we thought we had reached a deal that would accommodate the sailing center's s.t.e.m. program. when we -- and so to hunter's credit, he didn't agree. so he didn't agree. he was in the room with us. but we felt like the sailing

center had agreed because their programming would be kept intact. i don't want to put words in their mouth. you heard from carissa. but we certainly felt like in good faith we sat down and negotiated. we butted heads. we fought a little bit, but we came upon a compromise that not everybody got everything they wanted, but most people got most of what they wanted and we think that's good, public policy. >> supervisor safai: did you codify that in a written document? >> we didn't other than the email that carissa harris sent to me and my business partner, to bob and so supervisors avelos and kim and their staff and the supervisor wrote back and said, great, happy to see that. >> supervisor safai: that was -- that was the extent of the codification. >> supervisor tang: i also saw a press release from the sailing

center. supervisor kim? >> supervisor kim: i should say, that this board has not weighed in on clipper cove. there may have been an agreement by the treasure island sailing center, but the board has not put forward a proposal or an agreement. and i want to clarify -- mr. wallace, you stated that the board of supervisors passed an e.i.r. 11-0 in 2011 and the e.i.r. studied a very large marina, 400-slip marina, is that correct? >> bob said that the 2011 e.i.r. incorporated the 2006 study of the 400-slip marina, so, yes, it was part of 2011 but not a new study of the marina. we relied on the old study. >> supervisor kim: thank you for the clarification. i want to think of a time when we've viewed an e.i.r. as an agreement to a plan versus it just studying a plan.

>> i agree. e.i.r. is not approval of a plan. that's why we're here today, because we're getting ready to approve the lease. >> supervisor kim: we try to study the most expansive version of a program or project so when we review a project, it has been study in e.i.r. if the proposal is smaller, than at least we know that the e.i.r. has covered it. but in no way, it should be implied that the board of supervisors has approved anything because it approved a study. >> in 2006, there was a project-specific approval of the marina and it was a program attic approval of the master development. in 2006, there was the big programattic e.i.r. that allowed the transfer to happen and the transfer development, and i'm part of that as well, but in 2006, within the e.i.r. and

e.i.s., there was a project-specific, 400-slip marina. >> supervisor kim: study. >> but not approved. when the board approved 11-0 the 2006 e.i.r./e.i.s. -- >> supervisor kim: the study. we didn't not approve a 400-slip marina. >> you approved the study of a 400-slip marina. >> supervisor kim: i think that's a very important clarification and distinction to make. i have spent a lot of time on these large-area plans and we frequently overstudy what is finally proposed because we want to be sure that we study the highest impact project area plan or project possible and then at the board we finally approve a project that's often smaller than what is studied in e.i.r. it's important for members of

the public and the board to understand that in no way is approving a study an approval of a proposal. >> that's absolutely accurate. when we came back in 2017 with the smaller project, as you are describing right now, we were able to rely on the larger study that had been approved, not the project and for point of clarification, as you know, supervisor, but for the rest of the folks, there was a good reason why the project wasn't approved in 2006 and 2011 and that is because the city didn't control the property. the land disposition has not taken place, as bob beck indicated, until 2015. so there was the inability to approve the specific project, but i agree with everything you said in terms of sometimes the project gets smaller and that gets approved. that's what we would like to see happen in this instance. >> supervisor tang: thank you,

mr. wallace. supervisor kim, i was trying to do research on when the board weighed in. but did we ever as a body weigh in on the overall treasure island-yerba buena project? >> supervisor kim: the housing or the marina? >> supervisor tang: all of it. did it include the marina as well? >> supervisor kim: no. in 2011, we certified the e.i.r., which studied the housing plan plus the marina. and then we passed and approved the development and disposition agreement with the project sponsor that covered specifically what we were building on the island itself, which is treasure island and yerba buena. so this is the approval of the plan that approved the land and the office and the -- by the way, we spent a lot of time studying this issue.

i don't want to go back on my word or the board of supervisor before my time. part of the reason why this has taken so long to weave its way through -- i want to make sure that this is something that even within our discretion to put forward. it's one thing for the members of the public to advocate or for me to say, this is a better plan. now we do have an opportunity to weigh in in terms of what we think is the best proposal to move forward. it's true that there's been a discussion of a larger marina, 200- 300- 400-slip marina, but at no point did the board of supervisors come to a final approval, regardless of what the treasure island sailing center may have said two years ago. >> supervisor tang: okay. a lot of questions and answers. sorry.

supervisor safai. >> supervisor safai: one point of clarification, and thank you, supervisor kim, for clarifying that for the public. the real area of the definition and scope and final analysis of what we're talking about today will be finalized in the lease agreement, correct? >> correct. >> supervisor safai: so that's not come before us yet. >> correct. >> supervisor safai: so there is an opportunity -- this resolution talks about some goals for that conversation and it sounds like there's going to be more conversations going forward between you and the sailing center and the treasure island development authority before the lease agreement comes back, is that correct? >> certainly can happen, absolutely. >> sounds like that would be an important part of the conversation. >> if i may, supervisor. as you know, we made a request to continue the matter so we could have that kind of conversation. there's very much in this

resolution that we agree to. we want to protect the eel grass. we worried about the eel grass. we thought about the eel grass. there are a few items we don't agree on. that was the purpose of our request for continuance so we could sit down with the department. our door has always been open to the sailing center, as has theirs backward to us. and there's no reason -- i think there's no reason why we can't continue to have a dialogue to resolve some of the issues. >> supervisor safai: what it sounds like, you have the district supervisor, who has put forward a resolution that's well thought out and set parameters for the conversation, but the final agreement is the lease agreement, right? that's really what -- and that has not come before us yet. >> that's correct. >> supervisor safai: based on

what i'm hearing today, although we haven't had public comment yet, there is more work to be done and you are open to that. >> supervisor tang: director beck. >> i wanted to clarify. the proposed lease sets an envelope for development of the marina. ultimately, the final footprint of the marina would not be finalized until they've gone through the bcdc process. and that bcdc permit process might further limit the size that the marina could develop. >> supervisor safai: so lease agreement -- what would happen if -- it talks about the scope but not the final footprint. say that one more time. >> it talks about the scope and it describes real property based on the current layout. it proposes up to 313 slips and an envelope for development. >> supervisor safai: when you about to bcdc -- would the lease

agreement be amended once bcdc weighs in? >> it could be amended if it affects the economics. >> supervisor safai: would that come back to us again? >> it would come back to you again. [please stand by]

>> supervisor tang: i just called the first ten cards, but i do have more after that, so if the first ten speakers could come up after that, that would be great. >> good afternoon. my name is robby dean, robert dean. i'm a former executive director of the civic center sailing center. i just wanted to come here and express to you further how important the center is to the san francisco. the sailing center has

thousands of kids who come through the program. you know this, and that access to the beach is very important. i'm also an international race -- being able to adapt to the new marina plan is not -- the access up into the cove where the slips are proposed to be is the windward area where we train and do our racing, practicing for racing as well as the four or five events for the year that are major events for that racing. sailing up into that cove is very important, and course configuration really cannot be adjusted to accommodate this. the marina's a huge impact on the treasure island sailing center programs, and i strongly urge you to support the resolution for clipper cove planning, 180331.

thank you very much. >> good afternoon. my name is ramel barrientos. i taught at t.i.s., 2013 and '14 as a full-time instructor and also as the full-time race officer. besides the youth program, the adult program, there's also the visual impaired people that i've taught thiere, and to tak that area away from them would be a big loss. because i train them for the paralympics, and it's just a safe place to train beginner salors. so if that's gone, it's pretty hard to find a place to teach on the bay. i just want to let you guys know that. so if the marina's there, the safety's gone.

thank you. >> paul zingaro. i'm a slip holder at treasure island marina presently. i see lots of youth sailors every day day, and i'm glad to see that happen. i just want to point out that this venue is unique in san francisco bay. there's no other place like it. small boaters will really have no other place like it in the bay and it should be preserved. thank you. >> supervisor tang: thank you. >> hi. my name's paul heineken. i'm here as the volunteer cal berkel berkeley sailing coach. i'm also a retired physician at

san francisco va medical center, and eight years ago, when i cutback there, i started coaching at cal. i have a lot of experience there with youth, if we can call the college kids youth, and with the kids that come to practice with us. as robby said, we need a windward cove. it can tolerate a slightly margin margin -- larger marina in the windward side, but it cannot be made into a giant marina parking lot. i would say over the years that agreements have been made, but i think from an outside sort of view, it looks like t.i.s.c. has been involved in i symmetrical negotiations. so agreements that were made in the past were not necessarily done symmetrically.

the races that we do for sailing are important, but there's also drogagon boat rac that use the entire length of the cove, and i think it's important that all the users who use this cove have access to this unique area. we are a maritime city, and we need to teach that to our youth. thank you very much. >> good afternoon. my name is valerie santori. my husband dave, we've lived in san francisco, our family, since before '47 in the same house, and we've come along and done some sailing activities, worked with high school sailing programs. i've been at volunteer at t.i.s.c. several times. and having run a high school program, i can tell you i've been envious of the facilities, even though they don't have

running water and there's some other things they could use. they have the space that they need and the safety that they need in order to run a successful program and they've really made the most of it. this is important because kids in these sailing programs learn to trust each other, and they learn to overcome all kinds of fare fears, fears of water to start with, and pulling all the people together. my high school kids were like that. too. we put high school kids with mission kids, and they're still bonded after all these years. it's the foundation of our community in san francisco. if you want to represent the community, then you need to stand behind the community programs and not just sell out to some pretty boats. thank you. >> supervisor tang: i will call a few more speaker cards, then. jonathan delong, eileen boken.

hunter cutting, sonny allen. drain eaton, rebecca evans, paul manning, and hans wu. >> hi. my name's connie chanon. i'm here to support a much smaller configuration of the marina that's proposed. i've been a boat holder, a slip owner-holder at t.i. marina for the last eight years, and we sale on a 36 foot boat. every weekend, there are boats coming in, anchoring out from other parts of the bay. we typically have to come in and out of the cove, maneuvering around the t. -- the sailing center's boats, and we have a small boat configured -- you know, comparatively. right now, the marina's proposed -- there's eight slips in the last iteration i saw of it, at 30 feet, and the rest

are 40, 50, 60, 70 foot megayachts, coming into the small cove, sharing the cove, depending on the time they come in with the sailing center's boating situations, when they're running races or doing their programs. so -- which seems to me presents a very dangerous situation just because of the size of the boats that are coming in. so please, please don't give away this gem of a cove to -- to big developers or megayachts in the middle of the day. thank you. >> hi. i'm jonathan delong. born and raised in san francisco, and i learned to sale in clipper cove. i've also i would thousands of miles in california, and i live on a 50 foot clipper in oakland. a thought of points brought up with the danger of ingress and egress of large boats,

alongside the sailing school boats, is that the clipper cove is a resource for protected anchorages that you don't have anywhere else in san francisco. so the cove isn't just the area where the footprint is going to be of the marina. i'm here in support of the resolution and a much smaller footprint because the ramean aas it's proposed now is one of the only places that boats can anchor in the cove. if we look at protected anchorages, it's one of the only places that boats can anchor, and once it's gone, it'll never come back, so i'm here to support your resolution. thank you. >> hello. i'm daniel franco. i am a boater, i am in a union, and i vote. i see there are members of the building trades here, and they're going to say it creates jobs. i have sort of a counter point. i want to be clear, i'm

speaking only for myself. so please note that the building trades don't speak for all unions, and their short-term job bump will cause long-term harm to members of my union. please don't let this project happen. just because it took a long time to craft. w well, it was dumb in the past, it's dumb today. a dote on the dredging issue, i believe the number that was thrown out was $250,000, and from my basic math, that would dredge the harbor maybe once. i think you should question them on that issue. i know we did an event on alcatraz about 11 years ago. it cost us $11,000 an hour to rent a barge and a crane. i'm going to say that again because i want to make sure you hear me, $11,000 an hour, and they're saying $250,000 will help them dredge into the future. i don't believe that. i think their math is faulty. and sadly, while i'm sad that

only two representatives are in the room to hear that, this is one of those votes is a career ender. if you vote to let these proposals to go forward, you should update your resume gauze t -- because the city's not going to stand for that. thank you. >> hi. my name is sunny allen, and i'm here representing public recreation and the raft up community in the bay in support of the proposal to protect clipper cove. and i just want to start out by explaining a little bit more about what -- what it really means, like, what raft ups are in clipper cove, by describing the first raft up i ever went to five years ago. i got dropped off on treasure island, and then, you have to hike up this hill. and as you're hiking up this bill, you look off to your

left, and i saw this circle of 20 boats all tied together. you make your way up this path, and then there's a staircase that leads down to the beach, and once you go down to the rickety staircase, you go down to the beach. i saw this guy, and he said which boat are you supposed to be on? i said i don't even know which boat my friend is on, and he said objection, and he put me on one boat. the boat i was supposed to be on was 12 boats across from the where i was supposed to be on. by the time i got to my friend's boat. i had made, like six or seven new friends that i consider family to this day. and through that community in clipper cove, like, i took my very first sailing lessons. i had never been on a boat

before then, and it's specifically because of the way that clipper cove has protected calm waters that enables beginning sailors to figure out what is going on there. since then, i have over a month straight of time in open ocean outside the sight of land. i've been so far out from the coast of hawaii outside of land that the closest people to our boat were -- were people passing over our heads on the -- [ inaudible ] >> thank you. >> hi. my name's brian schrayer. i'm one of the original members of washed up yacht club that started with about six members and has now about 10,000 members. these boats are also our homes,

and we open our homes to people that want to join us. we do this every month, and clipper cove is -- aside from a spot in the oakland estuary, the only spot we can safely tie our boats up to create a raft up. we, as a community, what we do with our group, we reduce the barrier to entry for every day residents, people that are interested in boating. boating really looks like it's an out of reach thing, for the elite. it doesn't have to be, and we make it available for people. much like the sailing center does for kids, we create it for people our age and younger. we've had four marriages out there, we've built floating platforms in order to hold ceremonies. we had a band play out there once. we -- during our june raft up, which is our biggest raft up of the year, we had 68 boats actually tide up together in a

circle with floating walkways connecting the boats. clipper cove is the delores park of the bay. and you wouldn't let somebody mow that over for a parking lot, and that's what this new marina will be, it'll be a parking lot. the size of the boats that are going to be moored in this marina don't get used, and we ask you to please preserve our water park in clipper cove for us, and for the kids, and for the community. thank you. [applause]. >> hi. i i am avery when i -- whitmarsh for the friends of the sailing center. the sailing center has been there for years. we've been involved since the beginning, basically. so i wanted to correct one thing. the sailing center and the friends of the sailing center were not aware of the

development plan until 2015, not 2011, so since that came about, there's been a bit of a scramble of what are we going to do about this because honestly, it will really impact the programs as everyone has said so far. the regattas need more space, the kids' programs will be more impacted. so to reiterate again, treasure island sailing center had their hands tide, had to support this proposal because otherwise they would be out of a sailing center, out of their building to do any of their programs. so they had no choice but to say yep, we agree with this because this is the best we can get right now. the rest of us as the friends of the sailing center and people here understand they don't have to support this proposal, and we don't think it's the best use of the space. so treasure island sailing center has proposed a few different options that would be acceptable. and i don't think anyone's -- or at least most of us are not saying we don't want the marina

to be redeveloped, we don't want it to be as giant of a thing as shown here. so we urge you to accept this resolution and work with the team to come up with some better options. thank you. >> my name's jeffrey weisner. i spend a lot of time at clipper cove. i can attest as many people have said that it's a unique area, that it's a safe sailing area, and that the events that go on there don't happen anywhere else. i don't think that we could replicate what we do with the raft ups, and i believe what i've heard about the sailing school that they will be negatively impacted. i think it's a question of who we're going to serve -- not just the number of people, but the types of people. and we are talking about youth, and we're also talking about, you know, an enormous amount of people who will be impacted who use it regularly.

i also do believe that the large boats will be used less and that because of their size, they represent less number of people. thank you. >> good afternoon. my name's dwayne newton. i'm a san francisco resident, retired san francisco fire department lieutenant, and i've been at clipper cove since 1992. i've been sailing since i was 15 and it's made a huge impact on who i am, what i do and why i'm standing here, and i think i want to protect that for future generations. there's so many resources for kids in this town that have been -- how would you say? compressed, codified and getting them to use -- getting them outdoors and getting them to use the things that i did when i was a kid in a safe place. in and regard to the amount of time this has been in development, they're saying 20

years, well, there's the genesis of bad ideas. and there was a time that they were going to put a freeway over the golden gate park, and it -- some people will remember the embarcadero freeway. that seemed like a good idea at that time, and it lasted a long time. and the people who put that there, we don't remember their names, but we remember their legacy. i would think that just because it's been a long time, doesn't mean it should go forward. consider the impact if they had built the freeway over golden gate park. so i urge you to take the route of thinking about the kids, thinking about the future generations. thank you. >> supervisor tang: thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners. for the record, my name is karen knowles-pierce, and i am currently and have been since its inception the chair of the

treasure island yerba buena island citizens' advisory board. thank you for this hearing. i urge you to consider passage of this -- of this item before you today. i've heard the people who are against it, and we are certainly, all of us who sit on the c.a.b. and have been since 2001, have always been big supporters of sailing center and want to be sure that there is not only space but sufficient space for them to have these important and exciting times in their lives, learning how to sale and learniand -- sail and learning how to be a team member when you sail. i'm a sailor, and when i wrote my letter for consideration for the c.a.b., the state of clipper cove was what urged me to do this.

when i first saw the original 400 slip, it was large. when it was reconfigured, i was very unhappy with the untenuator because it stuck way out to the south and impeded process -- progress into the cove where people can have a good time. as you've heard, the slips have been reduced by a third over time. also, another misconception that every boat owner is a millionaire. all boats don't cost a million, all boats don't cost a million by any stretch of the imagination. there's also a years-long waiting list in san francisco for boat owners who are looking for slips, so there's that aspect to consider. thank you for the opportunity for us to give you our opinions. >> supervisor tang: thank you,

miss knowles-pierce, and could you remind us how long you've served on the citizens advisory board. >> 2001 was the first year of its meetings. >> supervisor tang: yes. and thanks. i remember you also speaking in the 2011 d.d.a. presentation. i really appreciate all of your work on this. >> thank you. >> hi. my name is david korman. clipper cove is super important to my friends, as you've heard, the washed up yacht club and the raft up community. it's a place where on a chilly day on the bay when the sun is out, it's so protected that you can find people swimming because the air is warm and the water's warm and shallow there, and so much community is built there recreationally. and they just improved the beach access and added bathrooms and a parking lot, and it's just such a rich,

beautiful place for -- for people to enjoy, and it would be a shame to see it lose a lot of that character. thank you. >> supervisor tang: thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is arnie thompson from san francisco, and i'm here personally on behalf of my daughter rebecca who went through the treasure island sailing school program. she's in school in santa cruz and couldn't be here today. but she had a wonderful experience with her coaches and the students at the sailing center. she wanted me to put in a good word for the center for all of its programs from the expert down to the beginner. it would be a shame to see any of that diminished. i'm also here kazz a recreational boater, and it's been pointed out that the west end of clipper cove is warmer and it's haul owe. it provides a wonderful recreational opportunity for any number of boaters and

swimmers, kayakers and so forth in the area where participants recreational sailors on the bay make looking to fix a piece of broken equipment or take in the calm it just go into clipper cove, drop anchor for a little bit and be on their way. unfortunately, the marina that's listed here would greatly diminish that recreational opportunity. so thank you very much. >> supervisor tang: thank you. thank you mr. thompson. >> hi. i'm hunter cutting. i'm a parent here in san francisco, and my two boys were both born and raised in the mission district, and both of them learned to sail out of clipper cove. my older boy went onto become a sailing instructor there, and he started a sailing team at mission high, and he got into

college because of that, and he sales f sails for a public school back east. clipper cove is by far the largest and best protected cove on the bay that we have in the city. it's one of our most valuable public resources. it's protected on three sides from the winds and the currents, and the winds are moderated by the special geography there. we would never give away a third of a regional park to a private luxury resort, and it just makes common sense, we wouldn't give up a third, and we shouldn't give up a third of a private cove to a luxury marina. there are a lot of inaccuracies in earlier testimony today. i don't want to look backwards, but i'm going to submit documentation so that we can, if we have to, look backwards and discuss those. i want to look forwards, and i think that's one of the great things about the resolution

today proposed by supervisor kim. it's forward looking. it establishes guidelines and principles for the cove for getting it back on the right track. it doesn't prohibit or discourage marina development, it just sort of sets out guidelines for that development so that we can protect one of the most valuable places that we have in san francisco. thank you. i urge your adoption of the resolution. >> thank you, mr. cutting. i'm just going to call the rest of the speaker cards that i have on my list. linda chan, dan roulette, ron cusera, and john vontesmar. these are all the speaker cards that i have, so if i didn't call your name, please lineup. >> thank you. my name is paul manning, and i'm here because i'm concerned largely about the statement that was made earlier that they don't believe this would have an impact. and i can say it's a sailor, i've actually grownup here in

the bay area, learned to sail at cal berkeley, and i'm actually volunteering my time as an assistant coach three days a week while school is in session. i've seen a lot of really good programs being done in this facility. i don't think the question is do you need to sort of revamp the marina. it's there. it's exitsin it's existing. what i object to, you approve that, you're multiplying the footprint of that by 300%. that is the problem that i think we have here in terms of the ability to make use of that space, a number of speakers have already made the point that in order to do a cl

collegeate sailing, you need windward west. this will have a significant amount of impact on not just the school kids going to practice, learning, it has an impact on the sport. i'd like to point out this weekend, the cal team actually hassa state club school with very very little funds from the university qualified to go to the nationals. they did well in the pacific coast championships, and this is a self-run team that has limited resources, and i think it's important to really put in a voice on their behalf. you know, please think sensibly about the overall balance you've heard from all of these people today. thank you. >> supervisors. my name is hans wu. i'm the director for the california dragon boat

festival, and we have the honor and privilege of running our festival at clipper cove from 2005 to 2015. and i choose those words carefully, honor and privilege, because i think it is truly a gem. as i consider these things, you shouldn't just be asking what is it used for today, but what is its future uses? we run the largest youth program in the nation, and while our festival was there, it grew to become the largest dragon boat vest val dragon fest -- festival in the u.s. us being the bay area, i think we ought to protect the bay. you know, i think this idea that there was a comprehensive process over the past 20 years is truly, as my fellow cal