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we have both the march 20th and the april 3rd commission meetings. are there any changes, directions, additions, commissioners? i move to approve. both of them? second. i'll take role. next up, report from our acting director. good evening, commissioners. i just have a very brief update this evening. i just wanted to reiterate that our annual entertainment

commission retreat is going to be held on june 30th, so mark your calendars if you haven't already. we're gonna be doing this from about 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and again, i'm really interested in hearing from you all in terms of what you would like to work on at this retreat. we could use this time to discuss if you'd like or you can e-mail me directly or reach out to me. i've heard from some of our constituents on certain things that they'd like to see from us. i'm happy to bring some of that to the table. one of the ideas that a venue owner brought to me this past week was perhaps having an expert in the sound field come and discuss sound code with us and potential ideas for amendments to article 29. i thought that was an interesting idea. i don't know if you'd like to use this space or if you just want to reach out to me

directly, that's fine. any thoughts? that looks like a no, so expect input from us directly. i'll reach out via e-mail to get that going with you all. i'm still totally open to suggestions for locations if anyone has ideas. i've reached out to a couple of people already that have potential spaces for us, too. just putting it out there. sorry, i'm going to have to miss it. oh, i know. i'm sorry about that, too. anything from commissioners on this agenda item? public comment on this agenda item? all right. moving forward with item number four, reports from the senior analyst. good evening, commissioners. dylan rice, senior analyst for community and cultural events. it's been a little while since i've talked to you guys.

i wanted to share some good updates. you may have seen in your e-mail that i sent some data collection updates. since january of 2017, i started tracking my interactions with event producers and event industry professionals in terms of technical assistance and outreach. since 2017, including the first quarter of this year, i've advised about 350 people. through consultations, through trainings, through presentations, through fostering the industry through connections. and then of those engagements, 80% were primarily about permitting, which is interesting. and the other ones, 16% of those were about making connections, making introductions.

and then 8% of those were about fundraising. the acting director suggested that i could even be more specific in the future about specifying whether it was for our permits or for city wide permitting. that could be another data point. i know i talk a lot about being a concierge, but i wanted to sort of illustrate that that is happening. the outdoor events guide through the advice from the city administrative office, we're going through a review process with different city attorneys from the stake holder departments to insure that everything is accurate and clear and consistent. so i will definitely keep you guys updated on that. i'm excited to talk about the next mixer event which is for the sf after events network. that's monday, may 14th.

thanks to commissioner thomas for looping me in with the coalition as well as dpr and rock medicine will be doing a presentation on harm reduction as they pertain to special events. identifying the signs of an overdose, how to administer naloxone or narcan is the commercial name for it. the chemistry behind mixing some of these party drugs with, you know, things like alcohol and cannabis and what happens. there is a segment of the event producer population that are not required to have medical plans for their event because their attendance is below 2500. i'm hoping that we can capture some of those events that are smaller but still could be affected. there's been some data recently that fentanyl has actually been

found laced in many drugs recently. i don't know if you heard about 4/20, a dozen people had to go to the hospital and they suspect it was fentanyl related. this is the reality we have to address. i'm hoping that this event will broaden minds and maybe even save some lives. i'm trying to help encourage resource sharing between organizations and event producers. something as simple as you have a soundtrack or you have a stage or you have amplify or whatever. i'm trying to encourage more research sharing to strengthen the industry. so i'm gonna be creating a

haves and needs wall. sounds kind of remedial, but it's very clear. i've already been seeing some event producers sharing things like pa systems and stages, which is really exciting. i think that's something that could be encouraged more. i also think there could be an online version of this as well. so this will be an experiment and we'll see how it goes. and then i wanted to update you guys on this, being the keeper and maintainer of the master special event calendar. dem has officially given me the reigns on it. so i have their data and i'm just updating it and creating a beta version that once we're really happy with the format, we're gonna send that to the city partners to use.

the idea is, again, to increase this idea of situational awareness for first responders and also help us

stagecoach springs, that's a mechanical amusement device

permit that's gonna be for a mini golf course outside. and it's going to look fantastic. it's based on historical references to san francisco and california. it looks like the artwork is gonna be amazing and we should probably all have our retreat there some day. [laughter] do some mini golfing. so no issues with that either. the zoning jurisdiction is different there. that's within ocii. so you'll see a letter of approval from them in the packet. the police department, no concerns, no neighbor concerns either. that's why they're on consent. do we have any questions? is project sponsor here for this, for the consent? project sponsor? not the project sponsor, but the sponsor -- the applicant? the applicant for the park.

yeah. i'd like to take it off consent. not that i'm not approving it, but i think the public should really -- this is amazing. and i think i would like, if it's okay, i'd like to have you come up and explain this whole -- i mean, this is crazy. [laughter] i mean, you know, this is something that san francisco really, really, for that neighborhood, it's gonna be great. i'd like to have you come up and kind of explain it, you know, in a few minutes. we need a motion to separate this from the consent. i motion to separate it. i'll second. all right. can we have a vote, please? and then can we go ahead and

approve the other item on the consent agenda. sure. can i get a motion to approve the consent agenda? i'd like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda. great, thank you. and just to clarify, just for consent agenda item a. exactly. that's all that's left on the consent agenda at this point. i figured we might as well get that out of the way. commissioner frost? aye. commissioner lee? aye. commissioner perez? aye. vice president thomas? aye. we have approved consent agenda which is item a. we're now going to have a discussion about what was previously on the consent agenda item b, which is stagecoach greens. okay, so i gave you guys a little intro. why don't you just come on up to the podium here.

hello. i'm esther sterns, i'm the co-ceo of pop up family fun and the sponsor for the application. my name is carlos, i'm the owner of selma street food park, spark social and now doing this new project across the street from spark. mini golf, beer garden, food truck project. i'd love to tell you about the project. unfortunately, i can talk on and on and on and on about it, so you should be careful. [laughter] i must say, i also thought right away you should have your retreat at our golf course. we'd love to have you. how can i begin? what's the best place? i guess the main thing is what inspires you to take so much square footage between so many streets and have so many activities?

and how do you plan -- it's just amazing how many people you're gonna have involved here. i'd like you to explain to the general public what you envision in this place. sure. actually, just a little bit of background, we originally started this whole project in truckee. we found that carlos was working in miniature golf in our neighborhood. we got very, very excited and put the truckee project on hold and turned all of our attention to san francisco. it was a bit of an unusual thing that carlos happened to want to build miniature golf literally in front of our home. we live right on mission bay boulevard. and so the concept that we have for the miniature golf is maybe

different from standard miniature golfing in a couple of ways. first of all, all the holes are built off-site portably and are designed and built by crafts men, mostly in the bayview. we have a factory in the bay view. right now, we're just cranking out miniature golf. and i would say probably 50 artisans across the bay area have contributed to aspects of the project. and we've actually adapted very well to this project. so we're able to make a very large investment in the quality of the site, which we might not otherwise have been able to do if it was just gonna be concrete that got torn up at the end of five years.

and then we just really dived in to make the experience more immersive than miniature golf generally is. the holes are -- a lot of times if you see a western town in a miniature golf course and you go up to it and you look in, there's just trash. in our western town, you're walking into it. and it's a carefully crafted saloon from a western town. it's really meant to engage people. we've built selfie spots that correspond to three or four of the holes throughout, so you can actually be part. the golfer can put themselves into the action. and we've been able, because we're doing a portable construction, we've been able to use integrated sound and motion based on golfer actions and based on a button that the person can push. and maybe from my point of view, the thing i'm proudest of, is we've come up with a totally innovative ada solution

for miniature golf. again, because of our construction methodology, miniature golf has only been subject to ada rules since 2012. most miniature golf courses are not ada compliant, they don't have to be. but new ones do. we will be 100% ada compliant. and ada compliance is built into the holes through clever design, which is pretty cool. and that's particularly important to us because we have a big commitment to family house, which is right across the street. we also have just app personal commitment to children in the city. we're raising our three children here. and we also support foster youth and we'll be supporting both family house and our foster youth charity brave mission with proceeds and activities on site. is that helpful?

that's great. and i guess you're bringing all the food truck elements to this? right, yeah. i'll be bringing all the food truck elements. we're right across the street, so the idea is to try to have non-competing style vendors the there, more complimentary. the likes of jeepney guy, really good filipino food. al pastor papi. and then mini doughnuts, there'll be a couple other rotating vendors. esther spoke about the 18 hole course, but there'll also be a nine hole course that will come eventually in phase two in the next couple months. and then there'll be some great gathering spaces, the food and the beverage.

it is a huge space. i believe it's close to 30,000 square feet. the idea of this entire park lab commons is to really activate mission bay. both for the residents and also the people that work in the neighborhood. and we envision people coming from far away as well. so making this a really great destination neighborhood. we're really excited. thank you. any other comments, questions? hi, thank you. this is a great project. can you tell us a little bit about the incubator kitchen and the arts program. sorry, when you say the incubator kitchen? i see here on one of the pages it says incubator kitchen? kitchen facility?

oh, i'm sorry. you know what, that's old. those are very old lay outs. that's what we envisioned the project to be years ago. sorry, i don't know how that got into the packet. that's not gonna be there anymore. sorry about that. so instead of kitchens, you're just gonna have food trucks? there we go. the idea is to have a couple of them be there more regularly and then have other ones rotating in and out. is there still gonna be like an arts program? no, i mean, arts program? you know, when i first joined, there was the idea that there'd be a hole that was somehow created by artists. we're not against that really. it's difficult to curate. to be honest with you, this is 24/7 for us to get these holes built. so we really haven't had time to focus on that. also, one of the things that we're building for is heavy

youth. a lot of times they really can't sustain. they can't stay outdoors well and they can't sustain the kind of use that a san francisco facility will get. so i think it went by the wayside for those reasons. okay, thank you. can you talk about the mechanical amusement device? my understanding is that because the holes have electric and some features that move, if you golf in a certain way, a water wheel will pick up your golf ball, drop it into an auger and then it will go down. it takes electricity to run it, so that makes it a mechanical device. is that accurate? that's accurate. and also because it costs

money. thank you. thank you. any comments from commissioners? all right. is there any public comment on this item? none, public comment is closed. do we have a motion? yeah, i want to make a motion to approve this project. i think there hasn't been miniature golf in san francisco. land is very expensive here. to do miniature golf is kind of amazing. mission bay originally was a driving range. it's kind of a replacement for that, which is kind of cool. but doing miniature golf in san francisco is kind of great. and i think that's great. if you want to really explore the art, i'm sure the art commission has some outdoor

artists, sculpturers or whatever that you can probably incorporate with your miniature golf. and you can probably talk to the art commission. but i approve this permit. that's a motion, is there second? [laughter] we don't need to now that he approved it. [laughter] i'm excited about it as well and i'll second the motion. it's been moved and seconded, any final additional comments? can we have a vote please? of course.

. >> el valenciano, it's been serving the community for over 30 years, and our food is mainly tapas and italian food. and our entertainment, it's focusing in latin culture,

which is tango, and salsa and soups and pacheta. it's a place in our community, and we've been serving the community and historical place for latin people, and if you walk into this place, the first thing you see, it is the bar -- wood bar. it is over 100 years. it is the only bar in whole california. it is not only -- it is a place for the latin community that means a lot to them. it's a place for customer, and you see them every day you walk into the bar. you walk el valenciano, you see this is only for old people, which is place for not only

young people. it is a place for people over 35 or 80 years old. a lady comes in from san jose, she comes in with her father who's 80 years old. that's the only time she could take her father to sit down and eat, and sit down and dance, and watch her father. if you were to bring your mom there, she would not feel she is a stranger. really, it is a community legend for the latin people. we're providing a customer service for our community, and we helping in supporting all the latin culture, all the music. and plus, this is place for meeting for the community. we have all the time, every month, we have lunch meetings or dinner meetings, which is

the community. they meet with city officials from city attorney, the district attorney to police department to fire chief. every month, we have event for that -- for the community. we have -- last month, we have the kickoff for the festival, which is -- you guys know is coming. we have it in my place, and we have fund raising for them. this is the place open from tuesday to saturday, which is a tuesday, we start with tango. it's 8:00, 8:30, we start to the class, until 10:00, and from 10:00 to 1:30, they practice the dancing. wednesday is the same thing. we have classes that start from 8:30 to 10:00, salsa, dances, and they practice.

thursd thursday, one day of the month we invite local musicians, a local group, and they play once a month, every thursday. friday and saturday, we start with 8:30 piano with dr. arce until 10:00. from 10:00, we have the practicing. saturday, same thing, dr. arce. he couplmes every friday and saturday. he's 83 years old, and he always comes every week, meet his friends every week. that is what we are focusing in on, community and playing around the area. that's all. >> thank you. are there any questions from the commission? yes, commissioner perez?

>> you said this bar has been operating for 30 years. and did you have an entertainment permit before? >> yes. >> previous owner had one, so it was -- >> okay. thank you. so you're the new orrwner comi in? >> yes. >> are you planning on doing any soundproofing? >> actually, we don't play high music. when we do, we don't play more than 500 watt in the speakers. our music, salsa, tango, it's more focused on the piano. tonight, mondays and tuesdays, we have piano. it's played by 12 years old, jonathan. he plays from 7:00 to 9:00. with a professional tango dancer. plus, we reach all around my

neighborhoods. if you could see to the file, i have support from all the neighbors, letter supports. because i reach to them, i talk to them, i give them my business card. if they hear any music, i give them my business card, and they always say there is no noise coming out, because we always play low music. especially, the customers, they didn't like the high kind of music, you know, to play in that. >> so you don't have life performances with musical instruments? >> sometimes, like piano. >> like trumpets and drums? >> no, we don't do that at all. no, we don't. >> and then, what is your procedure for addressing any potential complaint from your neighbors? >> i have been around the -- i have another business in the neighborhood almost 22 years. all my neighbor, i know all people around. and i always speak to them, i

talk with them. if they have any concerns, they can come. plus, they are customers, they are all the time them. if they have any concern -- because i would not feel comfortable to have a business and my neighbor complaining about it. >> what would be your official procedure for your business -- >> if there's any concern, yes, i would do anything to -- >> and then, approximately how soon can you respond to any potential complaints? >> i think because i'm operating there, with the same day. i think if somebody gives me a call and tell me there is a musicial problem, i turn it down. that is the first response. second, i don't want to play high music either ways. i don't like it, and my customers don't like it. >> and somedays where you might not be there yourself, who would be the person responsible. >> i have a bartender who's been there for over 30 years. he know everybody going to the

bar, and all the people going to the bars, they know him. >> you have a manager on-site? >> yes, i have a manager. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. >> yes. commissioner frost? >> it sounds like you're well versed in this business. have you been a part of it there for a while? >> i've been a customer there almost 20 years. >> okay. good. and then the manager, are you inheriting him, or are you hiring a new manager? >> no. i am manager there, and i am surrounded by good, good workers. i have the -- my bartenders, 30 years been there. my chef is 25 years one of the famous restaurants there in the town. i brought them there -- and all of the people surrounding me, they have experience. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> one quick question? >> go ahead. >> so you -- so your building -- 'cause i'm not really familiar, but usually the valencia street, there's

always somebody living up there, and he's been there for 30 years, your neighbor or is there anybody living above? >> yes, there is people living above. they have been living there for long time, actually, and they are my customer. >> i know they probably don't complain because they love the place. >> yeah, they're there all the time. >> but we worry all the time about the future, how things are changing in the city. when somebody moves away and somebody new comes, we tend to run into problems. you know, they hear the noise, and things like that. so right now, can you just tell me what do you have in the ceiling between the apartment -- do you have any insulation at all or is it just -- it's just a -- >> no, i'm not -- i think they've done some good work. they stole some stuff there, but i'm not familiar with what kind of materials they stole, but i spoke with customer exactly because i want to know

exactly because i'm customer, but i'm not i'll second that.

>> all right. it's been moved and seconded. okay. commissioner frost? commissioner leigh? commissioner bleiman. >> commissioner camino. >> commissioner perez, and vice president thomas. congratulations, you have your permit. okay. so the final permit application on our agenda this evening is for tradition. this is located at 441 jones street. tradition has been in operation for a while now, but they're just adding entertainment to their premises, so they're adding -- wanting to add a place of entertainment permit, so i have the owner here tonight, brian sheehy, who's going to come up. there's a lot of letters of support in the file.

there was nothing against the application, police department approved it, and i just want to just say i'm very impressed because it looks like we have almost all of the inspections already completed, so... >> thank you, acting director. before we get into the details of our application, i wanted to compliment acting director weiland. we've got through this process six times over the years, and i must say this has been the most efficient. we started this process exactly 30 days ago, and we're here already with all of the government approvals, so this is a department of city government that's actually working, so thank you. tradition's located at 441 jones and o'farrell. we opened that bar in 2012 after extensive renovation. it's located inside the ventaggio garden hotel. we were required by the owner to completely insulate the space. we had planned on applying for a place of entertainment permit

in 2012, but we needed to get a few months under our belt, and our business was so good, we thought we didn't need any entertainment. but times have changed. things are a lot more challenging. there are a lot more cocktail bars in the area, and it's been a rising cost for all cocktail bars in the area, so we have to different hit ourselves, which is why we're here now. at some of our other locations, our entertainment on our off nights are the reasons why are businesses are sustainable and viable. we also want to be prepared for december 2018, when the san francisco convention center will open up 100%, and we are delighted to see the calendar that has been put out by sf travel for the next three years, there are conventions every single week for three years in a row. so corporate business is important for our bars in the

city, and particularly in a challenging location like jones and o'farrell. we want to make sure that we can give our corporate clients that are here for conventions the options of live enter taintment for their guests is the reasons we're applying. >> okay. thank you. are there questions from any commissioners? no? yes, commissioner perez. >> hi. i see you've done some neighborhood outreach. can you just tell us little bit more about that process and what you've got in the feedback. >> so in the area, there are hotels. some of them are tourist hotels and some are combination tourist hotels and sro. so my self-and my partner is here with me. he is the general manager of tradition and will be fore -- for the foreseeable future. we went and explained what we were planning with this entertainment permit, asked if

they had any concerns, and asked if they would be able to support this and you'll see that etch aof those property owners and general manager have sent in their letters of support. we also had the posted official application for the permit posted and a letter beside it, which is also explaining to the guests or any passers by the purpose of our application. >> what would be your policy and procedure for addressing any potential complaints from neighbors? >> well, as part of our outreach, we provided first and foremost my cell number, which is accessible 24 hours a day. my business partner is here. his cell number is also provided, and our generbusines manager is also available, so they can call us 24 hours a day if there are any incidents. >> yes, commissioner leigh. >> >> -- commissioner lee?

>> i just wanted to make a comment. you decided to do live music rather than deejay? >> yes. >> can you tell me more about the kind of music that you want to be playing at your facility and why did you decide to do live music rather than a deejay like music lounges. >> certainly. so our most successful bar is located at the hearst building. it's called local edition, and we have live jazz there four nights a week, monday through thursday. started at 7:00 p.m. and finishes at midnight. we're busy every day from 5:00 until about 8:00 p.m., and then there's a lull, when people wrap up after happy hour and go their separate ways. for the first year we were open, we didn't offer live entertainment monday through thursday, and when we started it under the direction of daniel parks here who was the g.m. of that bar, with he found

that local edition became its own destination, and we're told by people in the business that it is the busiest bar by sales in town, and half of those sales are because of us having entertainment. those same musicians would be performing on a much smaller scale because transitions is a much smaller bar. and then, the other break through that we've had is with our other bar, tiki bar, we have jazz playing there two nights a week. we never charge a cover at any of our locations where we have place of entertainment permits, so it's optional for people. if they're not pleased with the music, they didn't have to pay for it, and they can go across the street to somebody else's bar. for a lot of younger people that are finding san francisco in their home, in their 20 kaerz, we're amazed when they're told this is the first

time they've been exposed to live music. >> well, i totally agree with you. >> thank you. >> because i'm promoting the heck out of live music right now because i think that's the new trend for san francisco, and i think there's a lot of entrepreneurs like yourself that are going the same way. thank you. >> thank you. >> did you have a comment, commissioner bleiman? no? okay. commissioner perez, question. >> it's very rare that we've seen an applicant with a permit signed off on all of the departments. what's your secret? how did you do it? >> it's the guidance of acting director maggie weiland. >> thank you. congratulations. very impressive. >> buttering up the staff. get you far. all right. thank you. is there any public comment on this item? any other speakers? all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. any discussion, motion from the

commissioners? >> i would like to mission a motion to approve this permit application. >> is there a second? >> i'll second. >> moved and seconded. could we have a vote, please. [ roll call. ] >> congratulations, you have your permit. great. moving onto item number seven, this is our rdr item, 5 third street. acting director? >> okay. so just to give a little background on this, this is a proposed hotel project that's going in at 5 third street, and it's located within 300 feedt f

hackasan, and hawthorne, all permitted places of entertainment, so i will bring up members of the project sponsor team to tell you a little bit more about their outreach to these venues and their sound study, and go for it. >> great. good evening, vice president thomas and commissioners. appreciate the opportunity to be here today. my name is todd chapman. i'm the president of jma ventures, who is the sponsor for this exciting project. for those of you that know this location, it's a lovely location on the corner of third and market street. we've been working for the last three years with community stakeholders, and local bars and facilities in the neighborhood with our plans to

convert this office building into a boutique and hotel. with us is our architect, and he's here to walk you through the project in more detail, and then you and i can answer any questions that you may have. >> okay. thank you. greg shepherd. so let me know if there's something in particular you want me to address, but little overview of the building. actually, it's built by the hearst family. 1909. it was a replacement for a previous building that was there that burned in the -- after the earthquake. and then, famously, it was renovated in 1936 by architect julia morgan, and much of her work is still there, the lobby, some of the facade treatment is still there, and we'd preserve that, of course. and it was home for both hearst publishing and the examiner for the early part of its life. the printing presses were

originally in the lower basement level. they're now begagone, and loca edition has some of the those artifacts from the hearst family, so it's pretty interesting down there to see a little bit of that history. and then, since the 60's, i believe, it's all been converted over to office. the areas that were the examiner, the lower levels were turned into offices. hearst corporation is still there, and then, several other smaller businesses. so the -- converting this building to -- to a hotel would invoke a change of use which requires looking at it as almost a new building, to so i meets many new standards in terms of accessibility. along with that we'd improve some of the environmental conditions, upgrading the windows for sound control for a

good night's sleep. generally, the food and beverages, the production part is housed in the basement off of stephenson street, and then, the main kitchen on the ground floor, most of the food and beforage would beverage, and there would be an adjacent roof deck for outdoor and rental venues as well as available for guests. i think that's kind of the gist of it. if you'd like, i can walk you through the plans, if that's helpful, or answer any questions that you have. >> are you thinking either the lobby bar, the roof deck, the special event space will eventually be looking for a place of entertainment permits?

>> potential, yeah. yeah. limited use, i believe. >> mm-hmm. other questions? >> # what floor does the first resident or the first hotel room? >> we have a couple of suites on the second -- or third floor. >> so third floor starts on the third floor -- >> oh, i'm sorry. yeah, we've changed the scheme a little bit. we do have some on the second floor. >> and the first floor is mostly retail, restaurant, and your event space for like a ballroom, is that what you're talking about? >> not quite. it's more of a -- actually, it's a -- on the kwourfourth f it can be double duty. it's kind of a presidential suite, but it can be rented out for larger events in the 75

person range. >> and acoustically between the floors, for example, have you thought about catering rents out the space for a deejay. >> yep. >> because there are a lot of promoters that love to do hotels. and bass travels upward. >> a couple good things working for us. it's a pretty robust building. concrete floors, so mass provides a lot of insulation. but we've done wood frame structures that have similar kind of adjacencies, concrete does a great thing, but we've also ended up doing a suspended ceiling, resiliency, as well as isolation above the concrete slab. >> and that's going to be on every floor, at least up to -- >> well, lesser level between suites. concrete does a lot of level

suite noise of soft floor and the concrete mass kind of deal with most of that? but where we have amplified sound and a higher level of acoustic assembly. >> has your sound person done any testing? >> i -- well, in the ambient area in the neighborhood but not specifically for -- >> between floors. >> between floors. >> yeah. >> so we're currently working on another project, different -- different use, but have some similar issues with noise below. >> personally, i don't think this building with all the amount of noise on market street -- well, night time, it is a little quiet. personally, i don't think there's going to be much noise problems on the outside, but i'm more concerned in between floors and what you're doing about that rather than the outside. windows will probably take care of most of that. but i mean it is a hotel. it's not really a condo resident hotel, is it?

>> no, no. >> strictly all charged pernight. >> yeah. >> in a situation. >> right. >> we have one hotel that's across the street from a club, and obviously, they've addressed their problems, but they used to complain, and then, they would say they want a refund or you know, the club across the street is giving us problems, and you know, these are future problems that we want to avoid because it comes back to us, and they don't want to put pressure on the club across the street. maybe limit your permit in the building. >> yeah. one of those is in the basement. >> okay. >> i'm just -- i'm just bringing it up. >> but they're a good neighbor, yeah. >> that's all i have, and are we -- okay. [ inaudible ] >> i'd like to hear from the sound person, but i don't have anybody else -- >> are there any other questions? >> just have a quick question.

>> yes. >> since you are on market street and third, it's a very busy intersection with traffic, and also, one bar is not close to you, but it's potential foot traffic. are you doing any proactive measures to alleviate noise from disturbing your potential, your hotel guests? >> yeah. one of the things, it's a balance of activities inside the building as well as the noise outside. i was there last week, and we were talking about sound issues right there. you know, horns start honking right there at third street. some of the windows have been improved over the years where hearst office is and they're on the lower levels, so they're most impacted by the noise, and they've made those improvements, but we would continue that treatment up by retrofitting the windows to give, you know, a quality night's stay. >> okay.

thank you. >> any other questions? >> quick one again. >> yes. >> so when you did your testing, new addition is right there. >> local addition. >> local addition. i always do that. i'm sorry. when you did a reading -- >> the boy band. >> -- were they actually in operation when your sound guy did a test? >> yeah, i believe during those hours. debra, do you want to -- >> yeah, sure. >> debra due. >> debra due with wolfson, and associates. just to back up a little bit, we've been working with the project to perform the noise assessment both for the environmental aspect and also for code compliance. we've conducted a noise survey in august last year, ran from a friday to aymon monday, so it the weekend.

the purpose of the noise survey was multiple aspects. one is to document the baseline conditions at the facade, so outside on market street, third street, and then down toward the stephenson street. and for code compliance, the noise measurements documented what's called the day-night noise level so that we can advise the project regarding the exterior to interior noise insulation for the sites such as hockesan and other places. but frankly, the noises that are dominating are traffic, transportation, and the sirens from emergency vehicles. so we have -- i think you have -- they have a draft report? -- you have a draft report that we prepared earlier this year. it's currently under review by the planning department for final issuance, but we have

information on the basic requirements to meet code. obviously as perthe commission has been talking about, you know, the conflict between hotels and that the business of hotels, and we have been discussing this with the project sponsor, you know, what -- you know, in addition to code, what could be required. and so they are considering not only required for code but what might be necessary to make sure that the guests in the hotel are -- you know -- you know, they have compatible uses. in terms of the questions on the -- limited edition -- local edition -- i'm sorry. i did that, too. >> we'll change the name pretty soon. >> yeah. to date, we have not done any tests within the building. those were intended to be

addressed more during design-development in isolation of obviously if you have a known place of entertainment, that's one thing, and then some discussions we've been having about the you unknown of who m be operating the rooftop establishment, so we've also been taking a look at what those uses might be from the rooftop uses and what kinds of compatiblities. and generally speaking in the city, i know there has been a conflict with restaurants and other places where voices are not addressed or at least not currently in the noise ordinance. hopefully there's something that comes out in the next ordinance, but you know, the -- the -- kind of two issues of people noise versus amplified

music, so we've taken a look at both to address the feasibility of outdoor events, and it seems like with some moderate controls, those would be -- >> so have you done these tests yet? >> tests? >> yeah, on people noise. >> yeah, we ran calculations. we've been relatively conservative assumptions regarding how loud the speakers would be. >> calculation meaning you have devices that'll measure? you actually set a meter out there and record it, and you have decibel levels. i see your decibel levels. are theed live readings? >> no, those are estimates levels. the building is in its current use. testing -- >> sure. >> testing from the future rooftop, that's something that could be done but it's not -- >> so i have