community. in light of today's increasingly important -- to make sure that we hold to the oversights, one during that as it has to do with federal and local mou's and surveillance that targets a specific demographic in the city. in addition to the language access work, our community's been involved with those kinds of items, and they directly intersect with police commission work, and so we really hope that you can help support us in our attempt to increase or advocacy. thank you. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> rules committee, supervisor safai, stefani, yee, and cohen, i wanted to thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf of police commission candidate julie soo. as you know her qualifications, her experience and her fortitude is represented in the application, and we feel she

has the qualification to conduct the job in a thorough and beneficial way for the communities of san francisco. she's spent 30 years -- she's spent most of her life in an understanding, contributing to community service and trying to understand and reengineer structural biases, and i think that these are some of the issues that are important in trying to resolve -- in order to resolve at the police department. she also has -- she also has worked with the police commission on domestic -- domestic violence issues, as well as on human trafficking issues with -- with -- directly with the police department, so her experiences are relevant for the police commission. she also has -- she also has a tremendous amount of relationships within the community and respect. i think that these qualifications is going to serve the police commission well. and i also do have to say that the -- that the asian american

community of san francisco's quite lanrge, and quite homogenous. i think having an individual that's able to speak with that community is extremely important. thank you for your time. >> supervisor safai: thank you. any other members of the public wish to comment on this item, please come forward. seeing none, public comment's closed. [ gavel ]. >> supervisor safai: so that was great. so can we take a -- can we take a two-minute break so we can use the rest room and stuff? i just need two minutes, please. thank you.

>> supervisor safai: before i recognize speakers, but i just wanted to say that today has been really educational. really want to appreciate members of the public that came out to speak for public comment. we have a whole stack of cards

here. they will be noted for the record that folks that came to speak on behalf of many of the applicants here today. do want to say a special thank you to former commissioner bill ong hing who resigned and who served the commission with respect and good service, as well as a special honor to former commissioner julius turman who just passed away and was fighting for lgbt rights and rights for african americans, and black community and civil rights in general and dedicated his entire life to those causes. so just want to honor both of them today and in particular former commissioner julius turman. want to say a special thank you to my colleagues, supervisor malia cohen for sitting in with us today. she has did edicated a certain

amount of time and energy in her career to delve into these policy matters. it's not often i've been chair of this committee 1.5 years, and we've never had a hearing this long. i really appreciate all the applicants that came out today. i want to state, from my opinion what i believe is the guiding principles of what will inform our decision today, and i've mentioned some of them today already, but i think that from the board of supervisors point of view, from what i have heard from colleagues, what i've heard from the questioning today, and what i've heard from other members of the community and those that have come up to us, the position and many of you asked, what are we looking for in a commissioner? and i did not want to bias the conversations that we had. i wanted to ask questions about your background and experience, but also wanted you to come, ready to be grilled as you were

today on a whole line of questioning. but i think from the perspective of this board, i think it's very important that the person that we put in --

that you do. so we really appreciate it. i say this often in our role here on the rules committee. it's why sometimes people don't want to be on the rules

committee because we have to make the tough decisions. we have 12 applicants for two seats, and we received four or five more past the deadline that wanted to be considered today, but we had a hard cutoff because the rules are the rules. that indicates the level of commitment and understanding and desire that you have to be ready for this position, in my opinion. so we do have a tough role. i think each and every applicant that came in front of us today brings a sprisk list of skills and experience, but when i think of all of those, i think only a few have all of those combined or almost all of those combined to be able to assume this role. that does not mean that there are other opportunities that would be presented for you because we hear a lot of commission appointments and there's a lot of roles that i think many of you would be wonderful for, as well as there's other opportunities as was stated by one of the public commenters, is that there are two more positions that the mayor will appoint.

there have been nominations for those positions, but the new mayor will be selecting those commission appointments. so i think all of those things are informing our decision today, but i want to say that each and every one of you performed wonderfully on the line of questioning, and i appreciate the level of commitment that you had and showed here today, as well as the preparation for this hearing. supervisor cohen? >> supervisor cohen: thank you very much. thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your stamina and your willingness to serve. i personally have been working on police reforms for seven years. prior to my work on the board of supervisors, i really didn't have anything to do with this particular policy matter. but in those seven years, i have successfully led some pretty significant policy reforms, many/most which was discussed today. but i want to recognize that there is no silver bullet, there is no easy answer when it

comes to addressing criminal justice, police reform, oversight, accountability, fairness, transparency, and when we're talking about fairness and transparency and accountability, that also not just means community oversight over the police department, but also healthy relationships within the police department and healthy policing practices. i want our law enforcement officers to feel safe when they're on the streets and they're actually policing. i want them to be consciously aware of the bias that's inside that is quite frankly inside of all of us. and that has to do with a high level of self-awareness and also has to do with training. one of the common themes that you hear in officer involved shootings is people were fearful for their lives, and it's heartbreaking when -- when

there is no weapon but yet has individual has been killed. so for me, i've been trying to tackle and to better understand that fear, the fear that young people feel or old people or men or people in the trans community, the fear that they feel when they interact with police, but also understanding better the fear that law enforcement officers actually have when they're on the street policing. i want to share that i think we've got a dynamic pool of candidates and for the record, i am not a voting member of this committee. i just came to lend my expertise and to share a lot of the the wisdom and experience that i've gained in the last seven years. i also appreciate being here and just being able to dive in. i want to admit that i've made

mistakes along the way, and i want to say that i acknowledge these mistakes and to atone for them, and teach others so that those mistakes are not repeated, and that's why i dedicated my entire day to the rules committee because this is one of the most important committee -- outside of the budget committee, of course, outside of the budget committee that -- but this is an important one because not only -- here we are, hearing commission appointments, but you also here ballot initiatives, you hear an opportunity to meet citizens advisory applicants, as well. so my advice, and i actually want to not give advice, but talk about the next steps. what does today mean? so today in terms of the process means hopefully there will be two names that come out of this committee that will be then forwarded to the full board of supervisors where at that time, the body will take a vote. and if things come out on time, it will probably come to the

full board of supervisors, if i'm not mistaken on june 5. tuesday, june 5. >> supervisor safai: that's correct. >> supervisor cohen: thank you. and the reason why this is significant is because the next police commission meeting is june 6. so we're moving with some urgency here so that we can get the two commissioners -- the two applicants sworn in as commissioners and seated and ready to go to roll up their sleeves and do their work. so we are looking for applicants that would be able to drop right in and pick right up where former commissioners have left off. and of course this will lead -- lead the police commission to have a quorum so that the business can continue to be conducted. i also hope that this conversation will also serve as a model as the mayor -- the next mayor of san francisco will have an opportunity to make two additional mayoral appointments. as you can see from the line of

questioning, there's a lot of work, there's a lot of questioning, there's a lot of moving parts, and i think that i would encourage the next mayor to be thoughtful and diligent on the selection of two more names so that we have a really thoughtful body. and with that, i just want to say thank you to my colleagues. i know this has been a test for everyone's stamina, but i think also a test of our conviction and to our commitment. so thank you to the clerk and to the city attorney. i think also to the applicants. not everyone is going to get through, but i want to just leave you with this notion that a true testament of a leader is not determined on what -- what your title is or the office that you held but true testament of a leader is how you conduct yourself when no one is paying attention, in the dark, on the streets. how -- if you're crying to elders, and i think that is one

of the most important paramount definitions of leadership is to be a leader and to be strong and to be thoughtful when no one is paying attention. it's easy to do it when you're in front of the camera and in front of the lights. so i've talked to you about the process and the next steps and thank you to the people that have sat with us in this commission hearing, and stayed for public comment. one thing that i do want to say is supervisor safai talked about this incident sectionality is incredibly important because these communities that are in san francisco, we're all connected. we're all connected, and we need to be mindful of that. our race, our sexual orientation, our gender, our class, how we present ourselves to the world should not be barriers but should be something that connects us because one thing we all have in common is humanness, our humanism. and that goes not only to the commissioners but to law enforcement. we had representatives from the

police department here in the chamber today. we had representatives from the p.o.a. with us today, and i think that that's a good sign that people are taking an interest and -- as this conversation continues to mature. so with that, i will just say thank you and good night. it's been a privilege to work with you all. thank you. >> supervisor safai: great. thank you, supervisor. supervisor yee? >> supervisor yee: first of all, i want to -- before i get into the candidates, really thank my colleagues on this committee, especially i want to thank supervisor cohen. having you here really made this hearing not only longer but very interesting. but really, the questions you were asking made it easy for myself not to -- for me just to listen because i think what i was looking for would be pretty similar to what has been said.

i'm looking for people to show leadership, i'm looking for people that can actually ask the hard questions and answer the hard questions and be very logical about what they're saying. i'm looking for people that can balance the views, the need of whether it's our citizens our the police officers themselves. those -- those types of qualities is what we really need as we move forward. we're really in a crucial moment with our police department in terms of changes. there's going to be tension because as you know, any time we try to make changes. people are going to be resistant to it, so how do we do that the best way we can? and give that potentially, we could have -- well, this is -- this would be two new

commissioners. potentially it could be four new commissioners out of the seven, so, you know, it's not a time to have people that aren't ready to jump in, and it's -- i would say this is -- this has been a real adventure -- i don't think i've been on the rules committee -- this is probably my third, 3.5 years now during different times, and i've never had one item on the agenda going this long, so it just shows you how important this item is, and the fact that we have at least 11 -- 11 of you showed up today, and i'm just so impressed with all of the people that presented themselves, the diversity that you represent, whether you're lgbt or you're asian, or you're -- you know, you're native or you've been here only

a short time. i mean, it just goes on and on. basically, what i saw today, the 11 that showed up was really what san francisco was about. really, a diverse group, people who care, coming from different perspectives with really different experiences. really, each one of you could be a great commissioner. really, i was joking. what we need to -- the decision that we should make today is let's expand the commission to more members so we could just nominate them all, but this is not what we're going to be doing today. so i have, you know, i guess -- >> supervisor safai: we have another speaker. >> supervisor yee: i'll leave it at that for now, but basically, i want to thank all of you, the public that stuck it out for seven hours. and i know that there are other people that wanted to testify and make public comments on your behalf that had to leave.

and i also received a lot of e-mails supporting it, many of you that are out there today. >> supervisor safai: thank you, supervisor yee. supervisor stefani? >> thank you. i want to thank everyone for coming out today, and i want to echo my colleagues and there's just so many choices. it's hard to be on the rules committee. i wish we could choose more than two, and i want to thank supervisor cohen for being with us today, and for her expertise and for her lively presence. it's always fun to be with her in committee. and thank you for answering the questions on implicit bias. i think it's really so important to take that into this line of work, understanding all points of view and being open-minded. i know the police commission can often be a very charged environment and many people that appear in front of that commission are survivors are gun violence. and i just want to make sure

that whoever ea's appointed toe commission takes that into consideration and realizes when talking about things or playing videos or something, i think it's really important to add disclaimers and be aware that there are people in the audience that could be triggered and could be very sensitive to some of the subject matter that comes up before the police commission. and i also -- i think this work is so important. it -- you know, in having discussions with all of the candidates, one line came up from brian stephenson, who i love. that one quote, "no person is the sum total of his or her worst act." i think that was with you, john, when we were talking about that. and i think, too, in this line of work, that compassion is so important. that you can't sit on this police commission if you lack

compassion. and there's another quote from brian stephenson that i'm going to read. it says "an absence of compassion can corrupt a community, a nation. fare of abuse can make us unjust, unfair until we all suffer from the absence of mercy and we condemn ourselves as much as we victim eyes others." that applies to all of us, and i would just encourage the two that are on the police commission to remember that. i also want to reiterate how important i think it is to opinion to build bridges between the community and our police department and have those at the forefront of your minds when doing this work. so again, i want to thank everyone. there's so many qualified candidates, and it's a -- really an honor to listen to everyone's experience and your desire to serve in this way. it's very commendable, so thank

you. >> supervisor safai: great. thank you, supervisor stefani. i just wanted to add one more thing that i think i heard today from my colleagues and also talking to people, and that's that we would put people in this position that would approach this commission with an objectivity and fairness, and an ability to see things from both sides. there has been a lot of the conversation out in the media, in the press, in the community, and on the commission where people draw these really stark lines, and as many of the people that are here today have been either prosecutors or defenders or been advocating on behalf of the community or working with the police department or working with reform, you have to approach this job to be able to see both sides, to understand what the police do on a daily basis, and also understand how that interaction that the police have with the community on a daily basis, just doing their job in terms of law

enforcement. and yes, at times, there are violent individuals that they interact with, and there are members of the community that feel as though -- that their interactions have not been the best, so that you have to balance that, but be fair in your position. and i think that being able to see both sides of a situation -- because the majority of your job besides policy making, which is kind of the macro, the microon a day-to-day, the reason this job is to time-consuming is because the vast majority of your work is hearing discipline cases. one of the commissioners -- one of the applicants said being able to understand how to read a report and what that really means, and what the interaction might have been or the situation might have really been. so being fair and objective, i think, in a situation is also very important to our committee as well as our board of

supervisors. so any other comments, questions? no? someone want to make an attempt to make a motion or to any other things to be said? >> supervisor yee: i -- >> supervisor safai: supervisor yee? >> supervisor yee: i'll just go put it out there for discussion, and if we agree or don't agree, we can keep on talking. >> supervisor safai: sure. >> supervisor yee: that the best way to do this? i don't think we've had this many candidates for only two positions before, so as i mentioned, the -- i believe each one of you have qualities that would lend itself well in this commission, and i mentioned what i'm looking for. and unfortunately, when i said

those are the things i'm looking for, most of you have those, so it becomes what float -- who floated, you know, sort of towards the top. and i -- the two that i would like to put out there for discussion are john hamasaki and cindy elias. and the reason john, i liked the fact that not only is this the second time you're trying to do this, but for you to be persistent and showing up at meetings and trying to stick with the issue that was -- that tells me a lot about not only what you already have in terms of your experience and quality but your -- you know, your passion for this work. and for me, cindy, you -- you floated also to the top somewhat. and not by -- i mean, i don't want to make it seem like

people weren't real close to you, because this decision was really tough. but you know, for me, when i listened to you talk about all the definitions, all the questions that supervisor cohen and others asked, you answered very succinctly in terms of how you answered it. the other part of it i think is you seem to have that perspective of whether it's from labor with the police or with these -- the citizens themselves. so i liked that balance about that, about you. >> supervisor safai: supervisor stefani? >> just to -- i was definitely impressed with candidates just mentioned by supervisor yee. and i'll leave it at that right

now. >> supervisor safai: great. i -- just to add onto your comments. i think so many of the candidates, miss soo, miss berry, miss murrillo, i mean, so many of you, nana, every one of you brought a set of skills and unique experiences that i think in terms of the check list that i listed out to you, each one of you had one of those or a few of those. but i would tend to agree with supervisor yee. i think mr. hamasaki's tena city and commitment having been through this process before, and having done work locally with community groups that have been impacted by violence and also those that care deeply

about police reform and police policy in general, having understood the workings and inner workings of the police department and interface with the police department, along with being actively engaged on the commissions and attending meetings in those policies, understanding disciplinary cases, untdsing how the different departments work and interface with this commission, along with being objective and fair in understanding that some decisions are made, now it's your job to implement those decisions. i think that informs my agreement with supervisor yee on mr. hamasaki and also with miss elias, i think that the work that you've done in the department of industrial relations, the work in understanding of how labor -- because, let's be honest, the role that the police officer's association and police department -- you are dealing with an organized labor unit,

an understanding of how that incident faces with this commission. i know that it became a joke today about how meet and confer plays a role in the policy decisions that you make, but it plays a very important component in that. i think that the work with the different departments, the -- you know, the understanding of working with the lead program and how the work with all those different departments inform -- will inform your position, and then your role as a public defender in understanding the precise nature of the idea of what a use of force police log, for example, and why that would need to be updated. that's something that i was educated on in talking to you and also as part of this process and what that would mean, and so -- and then, the ability to see the sides fairly. saying all that does not mean -- and i want to be clear, miss everhart, miss irvin, mr.

rao, miss jones, miss murrillo, nana, all the other people, the experiences that you bring that the table does not mean that you have any of those things. i think as supervisor yee said, if we had 12 positions, i think each and every one of you would perform on this commission in your own way and in a positive manner, but we are tasked with the hard decision of choosing two that would be ready to -- to be ready day one. and each one of us that's on this commission -- excuse me, that's on this committee that's a supervisor one way or another have put in time and years of work and fine. it means stay engaged and stay active and stay informed and have an opportunity. and again, this is not over. this recommendation will be sent to the board of supervisors if we are in agreement today, and the board of supervisors will ultimately make that decision.

but that's my opinion. supervisor stefani? >> yeah. i just want to reiterate, of course, that there's so many qualified candidates, and there's several that i wish i could put forward, but the motion has been made -- >> supervisor safai: well, no motion's been made yet. discussion -- two names were thrown out for discussion. >> you know, it's just -- again, it's one of the -- it's a difficult position being in, but i -- like i said, i was so impressed with so many candidates and had really good talks with everyone. but i do believe the two names, john hamasaki and cindy ally as that have been mentioned would serve the commission well and would do a good job, and they are ready to go, day one, i think. and that's all i have right now.

>> supervisor safai: supervisor yee? >> supervisor yee: so i'll go ahead and make the motion then. >> supervisor safai: okay. >> supervisor yee: i'd like to make a motion to nominate john hamasaki to seat two and cindy elias to seat one and send it out with positive recommendation to the full board? >> supervisor safai: can we do that without objection? okay. great. without objection, that item is ordered and moved. congratulations. thank you, everyone. [applause] >> supervisor safai: i think we actually have one more item before us today, but i believe that item is going to be continued -- oh, it's not? [inaudible] >> supervisor safai: okay. great. please -- please read item number two. >> clerk: item number tokay. [agenda item read] >> supervisor safai: just one second, bobbie.

just hold on one second. folks, thank you very much for your patience, thank you for your commitment. if -- [ gavel ]. >> supervisor safai: if you could please take it out in the hallway, i'm sorry. i have one more item in front of us today. again, congratulations. >> good evening, supervisors. first off, thank you for your kind consideration of this item. i know you've had a really long day, so i will be brief, and we're ready to accept questions. i just want to say that this is actually an amended legislation. if you noted the may 1 substitution of this lemgs lati lation -- legislation really pared down last year. this is sort of a clean umm legislation of the few items that we wanted to see in terms of finance campaign amendments. so i'll be quick. the first item that we're asking to do with this lemgs lation is to -- in the voter information pamphlet, actually

state which candidates have accepted the voluntary expenditure ceiling and which have not. as you know this only applies to a couple races, such as the d.a., p.d. and the board of education. the other component we're moving forward is of course we know that there can't be candidate coordination with other committees, but we're actually asking that there be a signed statement under penalty of perjury in regards to not having coordination between candidate controlled campaigns and another committee. and the other two quick things we're doing is we're making statutory changes to the law to reflect what's already kind of happening at the ethics commission. in particular there's been a lot of discussion about sharing information with voters about third party expenditures, and in working with the ethics commission it was very clear that they had been working very hard to modernize our internet, to modernize our webpage, and so it's getting to a point where this information is getting more and more accessible to the public, and we've been working with them to

figure out ways to promote that information, given that almost half of americans are getting their news from on-line. also, i'm making a statutory change to make sure that the report to the board of supervisors from the ethics commission which i think we had one, but we hadn't had one before that for a long time also includes really just the analysis around the public financing program. the supervisor did commission a report with the b.l.a. which we're hoping that we will soon bring to light in regards to public financing models and comparing us to new york and l.a. and other models, and so what we just did here is just ask and acknowledge that we wanted to work with the ethics commission to figure out if in the future san francisco wanted to look at other public financing models, and that's it. >> supervisor safai: was this -- i have a question, bobbie. >> yeah. >> supervisor safai: were these things in the packet the

night that we had and discussed the joint hearing? >> i was not here, but i believe they were at the very end discussed with ethics but not at the same level of discourse. >> supervisor safai: yeah, i don't remember any of this. was this trailing legislation because i don't believe this was in the overall packet. >> we actually did this is in july of 2017 and then we were exploring whether we wanted to add public financing or other models to it. when supervisor peskin did his big historic night of the joint that we all know about, some of the items from our legislation were put into that, so some of the work anderson the font. >> supervisor safai: yeah, because i remember the conversation around font, and then we were having a conversation about where we -- where we put the disclaimer at the beginning of the advertisement versus the end, so where did we come down on that? on -- in your legislation? >> oh, so we removed it from

your legislation because it was nowen co now encompassed in the original. so it's no longer in this but it's reflected in the original legislation. >> supervisor safai: oh, deputy city attorney givner? >> mr. givner: this legislation is entirely separate at this point from the ordinance that the board passed on second reading last week, so this is -- is basically a separate set of proposals that the ethics commission considered and adopted separately at a meeting about two or three weeks ago. >> supervisor safai: okay. so this is more recent. >> mr. givner: yeah. >> supervisor safai: we don't have anyone here from the ethics commission to inform us on that. the way this was presented today, i thought this was trailing legislation based on the conversation the night we had of the joint hearing, but this is something that's been bending since last year that has now been amended?

>> mr. givner: that's right. supervisor kim, i believe, discussed potentially adding in these pieces as well as some other pieces in the larger ordinance that passed at the board but instead chose to move these pieces separately after the board considered the big piece of legislation. >> supervisor safai: all right. 'cause i mean -- actually, it would be good to -- actually, i don't know that we have the brain power for that right now, but it seems to me we would benefit from a little bit more conversation on these issues that are in front of us today, particularly around the idea of the disclaimer that's been removed. also, you said some of the stuff clarifying supplemental reporting on public financing. these are all things that impact us as supervisors and part of the process, so it might be helpful to have someone here from the ethics commission and then we can have a little bit more of a conversation about this, if that's okay. supervisor yee? >> supervisor yee: i just want

clarification. so the ethics commission passed a resolution of some sort? >> yes, unanimously supported. >> supervisor yee: this one? >> yes. >> supervisor yee: okay. so i'm not too sure -- >> supervisor safai: go ahead. >> supervisor yee: i'm not too sure what the discussion would be, if this is -- >> supervisor safai: no, i get it. that they passed something before, and when we had our joint hearing, they presented us things that we didn't agree with. that's -- we interface with this commission. they can propose things to us, and then, we have the ability to either amend it, agree with them, and then if we amend it in any way it has to go back to them again. so that's my only point. i might agree with all this 100%. is there a time -- is there something in particular in terms of timing that wouldn't allow us to have at least -- just continue this until the next meeting so we could have some more conversation? >> no.

i don't think there's any pressing matter before us that requires this legislation be passed today? >> supervisor safai: did you want to just say one thing in terms of the impact on public financing? >> yes. so legislation itself does not include any of that. so it's more like a large -- longer term conversation we were having with ethics which is also very interested in looking at public financing just to sort of say it briefly and it's not in relation to this legislation, but new york, you know, there's different models, there's 6:1 and 4:1 ratios, and there's different ratios that's out there. >> supervisor safai: but that's not in this. >> not at all. bullet number three is just saying -- just sort of statutorily l statutorily saying that we want the ethics commission to look at public financing. it's just asking them to look at the administration, operation and efficiency of the program. >> supervisor safai: okay. >> but it doesn't dictate any

sort of public financing program. we're not there yet. >> supervisor safai: yeah -- no, i get it. and we also heard from the ethics commission around some of the issues around public financing and reporting in the past. it's just some of their stuff comes. they sent us something on december 22 about sunshine training none of us got, and now we all have to sit through a sunshine training on an annual basis. that's something that i want to work with them onto say if anyone understands sunshine, maybe we can do it on a biannual basis. so that's the only thing. it's not in any way to slow this down. if this were a time specific deadline that you had, then i would say let's just send it through, but we might do some good to have a little bit more robust conversation about that if that's okay with you. >> sure. i just wanted to say one last thing. these actual changes that are in the legislation that weren't put into the peskin legislation are rather minimal. they're sort of what i would call sort of dangling issues

that we still wanted to move forward. >> supervisor safai: is this new? i know i don't remember doing it, but penalty of perjury in terms of coordination? that's something new in this legislation, right? >> yes. >> supervisor safai: is there a precedent for that in other parts of campaign rules that we have here locally? deputy city attorney givner? >> mr. givner: i don't believe there's a penalty of perjury provision in any other local campaign finance law. i think the purpose of this -- of this provision is to make enforcement easier and to ensure that the candidate is on the record stating that there's been no coordination with an outside committee. >> supervisor safai: so i'm sorry. this is opening up more questions, we can talk about it more next time, but what do you mean make enforcement easier by

signing penalty of perjury? if they sign penalty of perjury they're not going to coordinate, then, so how does that make enforcement easier? >> mr. givner: i think the idea that it's an additional hook for potential enforcement by any of the enforcing authorities that if the candidate signs under penalty of perjury and actually has coordinated, that's another hook for enforcement. >> supervisor safai: okay. so i just -- i just keep on having more questions. so if it's okay, let's just continue this, and we'll vote on this next time. maybe we can have some folks from the department of ethics commission come. any ways, i'll reserve my additional comments. >> great. >> supervisor safai: any other committee members have any other comments? okay. seeing none. >> okay. >> supervisor safai: thank you. >> thank you. >> supervisor safai: we just make a motion to continue this. >> clerk: mr. chair you need to open it up for public comment. >> supervisor safai: any

members of the public wish to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. [ gavel ]. >> supervisor safai: can we continue this to the next rules committee meeting? >> clerk: you can continue it to the call of the chair. >> supervisor safai: no, let's continue it to the next meeting. so the next meeting would be -- >> clerk: june 13. >> supervisor safai: yeah, june 13. >> clerk: continue to june 13. >> supervisor safai: yes. thank you. without objection? >> supervisor yee: oh, yes, yes. any other matters before us today? >> clerk: that concludes our business for today. >> supervisor safai: thank you. we are adjourned.

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[inaudible] riding a donkey unicorn in the process. >> my name is dawn richardson and musician, drummer and drum teacher. i guess i would say i started my professional path quh i started playing in bands and teaching drum lesson when i was in college. they were definitely not that many women that would do what is doing. in 198 8 i graduated from cal state los ang and studied mostly classical percussion and music education but at the same time i was in hollywood so played at night in rock bands so was doing two different things. >> the reason i'm [inaudible] the people. there is a extremely vibrant art community especially arounds the red poppy art house [inaudible]

as a artist in the past 2 or 3 years there is a event called the [inaudible] every 3 months a free art music festival that i usually play at and just met so many people. >> i was teaching a little bit and doing odd jobs like waitressing and going at night and playing in bands and meeting a lot of people. i chss in ban that had cool break jz get parts on tv shows or things like that. a friend of mine, we had mutual friends that got signed to a record deal in san francisco called 4 nonblaunds and i addition frd the bands and moved to the bay area. i think things are different now than 30 years ago, the

world evolved a lot. it could be a challenge but have to know how to negotiate everything and sometimeatize is [inaudible] it was great to get to a point where i was just treated like another one of the people, a musician not a female musician and that is always what [inaudible] >> you don't hear stuff on the radio [inaudible] i need to write music [inaudible] be more conscious in their decisions and somehow make that poetic so they will be convinced. i think i will do that. [singing in backgrounds] drawing and writing music since i was a really little kid and fortunate enough to have a good education in art and parentss who supported me. i hope my life will continue to allow me to do both.

>> for me now having all male, female girls, boys students it shows the world has changed a lot and people areope toon open to a lot more than they were in the past. you can get a deep satisfaction from responding a lot of year practicing in one thing and becoming really good at something. sometimes i think that it is better to get lost. you have to practice and become good at what you do, so if you have everything together then go out in the world and do what you do and then i and then i think people weal accept that.

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>> meeting will come to order. welcome to the may 23rd, 2018, rescheduled meeting of the public safety and neighborhood

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