like we will have a good relationship with the fire department. i think we have been fortunate. mark farrell has over the years i think had a good relationship with the fire department and he's really doing a fine job in my opinion as mayor, which isn't going to get me anything. but he has been aggressive. i like to see him put his actions on some of the drug paraphernalia and people in bart and et cetera. those are the same people that our fire department has to deal with. and i think it was interesting for the public to see some of those people sprawled out 6:00 or 5:00 in the morning. and those are the same people later in the day that our emts and paramedics and firefighters have to work with and trying to be very diplomatic with and trying to be kind and gentle and

treat them like family. it's a very hard job. so, i hope the public has taken note of some of those people, the way they look and then how they are later in the day. sometimes in a situation where they have to be cared for by emt or paramedic. and the police also have to deal with them. so, i just say kudos and thank the mayor at least for trying. [captioner switch]

>> i guess... that's it. yep, thanks for all your work. oh,, i know. i want to talk about the command staff and when i was head of the union. i worked for -- everyone was

similarly paid. it was 40 hours. i always told him, tried to work 40 hours. not try to work up to 40 hours, don't try to work over. it is really hard, the public doesn't realize how much of volunteer time goes into the job. they do the job friday through sunday, and the command staff is out there representing the fire department, basically out of the goodness of their heart. they all know it's sort of part of the job, but i really appreciate that we have a great command staff and it's nice that they take that extra time. >> thank you commissioner. >> thank you commissioner. >> thank you very much president cleveland. >> vice-president nakajo: i also like your style, chief. it is the life that the commission needs.

the energy as positive as i appreciate that. the humour as well, it is all packaged, it is all good. >> thank you. >> i wanted to ask you two questions. one is, when you do your session, with the commissioners be invited to in -- observed that particular section? can they be? >> absolutely. >> i'm not sure what material is taught or what kind of concepts are developed. leadership development should have a concentration. there's always an assumption that because you have a title, therefore you must be a leader. that ain't the way it works. it works with a lot of experience and a lot of know h how. and a lot of personality. from years ago when we were... things were so difficult and trying to position conflicts around -- among the neighbours -- the members, i attended a

session like this similarly. and in these -- in those days we hired a consultant. but it was received very well. there was a place by which the membership had to die alone. i just really, really believed in that. the second question i wanted to ask you, in terms of the classes that are currently occurring, if a member resigns due to injury, what happens to that member? does that member have another opportunity? or is that it for the member? >> if they want to get back on the list, yes, they can put in their paperwork. both the members, both of the recruits, who resigned and went through human resources and got their names back on the list. >> okay. so there is a mechanism by which you can give them an option? >> there is a possibility, we

don't guarantee everything but there is a possibility. >> those members would have to comply with whatever is requir required, ok? last thing, i know that we acknowledged the civilians and e.m.s. and such. and i think that -- we can't conclude a meeting without acknowledging our civilians. i have to do an acknowledgement. but also to our lobbyists for all of the hard work and the hours that they put in. and finally, i think you hit it right on the head. this career, and your participation in this career it not only produced a good chief, but produced a good mom. i don't think is -- anyone is better to say that -- your boys were small. and now they tower over me, commissioners. i guess we call it the aging process, chief. [laughter]

i know we all feel that. congratulations on that great accomplishment. thank you very much chief. >> thank you. if i can just respond briefly, yes, in terms of the officer's academy we will keep you apprised of that and we certainly do have a leadership component in there. we have everything from paperwork, health and wellness, leadership, operations, and they are -- i note a couple of chiefs are working with getting the proper people in place from within our department. we deliver those portions of the academy. is there a discipline component and the-- >> officers briefing?

>> yes. >> thank you very much, chief. >> thank you. >> thank you mr vice president. commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: thank you witt m bit mr presidei would also like to congratulate sfpd and her youngest graduating. that is amazing that john is off to college. that is wild. it takes the youngsters to let us know how much time has passed. [laughter] congratulations on that, chief. >> thank you. >> commissioner covington: i also have some questions for you regarding the officer's academy. this is just for the san francisco fire department, or are we inviting other members from other areas? >> it is simply for san francisco fire department. >> commissioner covington: ok.

and you have any experts that are not within the department that will be coming in for the officer's academy? >> not that i know of. we will have a civilian member is doing some of the portions of it, and most of our teachers, i believe, if not all, come from within the department. >> commissioner covington: do you have a syllabus or a curriculum for this? >> yes. it is currently in the development stage. i know the division of training looked at the last one we had several years back and is picking and choosing some from that and expanding on parts of it. it is not completely developed yet. >> how long is the academy? >> it will likely be a five day academy. >> a week? >> yes. they maybe able to do one of the

days in online portion. >> commissioner covington: so would you be able to share that with us as soon as it's formulated? >> absolutely. >> commissioner covington: i particularly would be interested in anything having to do with, i don't know you have health and wellness and i think that's great. health in one is for the officers as well as those people who work under them, but i think it might be helpful to have something related to what it means to be at paramilitary operations. because even though there is a military framework, i'm not the military. [laughter] so what are the point differences, and, you know, what

are the points of magnification? i don't know if i'm expressing that so that you understand what i'm saying. >> yes commissioner. i think some of that will indeed be coverage during the leadership portion, leadership and management. >> good. and you said that it was held maybe five years ago or so? we've had a lot of promotions. is there any thought of having this on a regular basis, like every two years or every three years or some kind of such program so that we know, when this person is promoted, it will be no longer than this period of time before they go through officer training? >> what we did the last time, as we had it all videotaped so people could access it online on our report, the entire class. obviously it's better to be there, but for those who were not able to attend it, but,

yes,, i think that is a great idea to do it more frequently, and not just online. we will look at that for sure. >> and in today's meeting earlier, we talked about the number of retirements, so with this fairly rapid turnover i think it is essential to give new officers as much support as possible, as soon as possible, rather than, you know, it being piecemeal and you getting information from one person at information from another. i know people have great pride in having been classmates in a particular academy, so perhaps this will carry on the tradition, although we are it where you were in officers training together. that would be nice. >> yes, it if i may interrupt, commissioner, this is the first thing i passed the chief with when he came on board. we were already working on some of it, but it is very important

to me that we get the same message out to all of our officers. even ones that were promoted a couple of years ago. we are going to include them in this process. >> commissioner covington: it's very important when you are part of a cohort and part of a group that faces the and jewels who face very similar circumstances and you work for the same organization. being in the same room together, to brainstorm, to commiserate, it is very important, because it's not only is it an opportunity for the transfer of information, budget builds collegiality. i think we are on the right track with that. i'm glad to hear about it. and i'm also happy to hear about the btw in the list of plumbing problems being short quite a

bit. the dtw is really such a wonderful partner with us, you know, you think that all they do is, you know, pick up trash here and there, or trim some trees, but they do design and oversee builds and it's just amazing, the scope. that it's within their portfolio, and the expertise that they have within their organization. >> we are pleased with how we've been working with them recently to really bring our fire stations up to snuff. >> commissioner covington: very good. that's all i have. thank you. >> thank you at commissioner covington. thank you chief nicholson. i have to agree with commissioner coupling -- covington. several years ago, seem like it

took a long time to get repairs done at some of the houses and certainly on the fleet, and we talked to public works about, you know, working more closely with the public safety sector of our city, police, fire, the share's office, you know, to prioritize our work orders, if you will. i am happy to see that. i appreciate that they appreciate the director of public works with reaching out to us and working with the fire department to expedite our problem, you know, with our projects. expedite our project so would we make sure they get fixed. our firehouses cannot go weeks without proper plumbing, or, you know, appropriate electrical work. so it's been one of our issues. the commission has said that we need a closer relationship with the public works and i am pleased to see it is happening.

that is a positive. i agree. i went to station 1 station 16 u and had a look around. the firehouses almost completed. the workmanship is first class. i'm very pleased. i had a question on fleet week. what are the dates of that? >> do you know the dates of fleet week? >> october 2nd through the tenth. >> and final question, i know that one of our priorities in the department has been to update our fleet, whether it be fire engines for trucks, or our ambulances, and i had a question for you. just how many of our rigs currently are old and need to be replaced, if you had to give a

guesstimate? one of our priorities in the department is to replace the old fleet to make sure that we have the best that we can get. i just wondered how many of the old ambulances need to be replaced of the 300,000 miles on them, as well as trucks and fire engines? >> i can get those numbers for you. i don't have them off the top of my head, but i do know that we do have three trucks in the works and six new engines in the works. july 1st, we will be developed -- developing the new spender sr ambulances because they would have been in the field for some time. we will take them down to the central shops and have them identified and take all the evaluations that we've gotten from all of our personnel and see if and how we can move forward with those, or in some other way.

so we want to get good information from this pilot program before we pull the trigger on any city. >> how many miles to be pu we pn ambulance before we retire it? >> how many miles to put on an ambulance? >> i bet it's 300,000. >> no. i would say no. in this city with the topography, there is no way we would run them 300,000 miles. >> i've seen some old ones with 150, 150. >> do we need to start retiring them around 100,000 miles or hundred 50,000 miles. >> yes. >> just to add, i think we can drill down those numbers. i do know that since 1997 when i talked about taking over the ems division and to the san francisco fire department, our fleet has never been in such a good condition in terms of i would say more than 50% of our fleet is within the last 5-6 years, which is for us, and her

tough. we really have been making great progress with your support. >> i think, looking ahead here, i think it is important that we budget this year coming up, and future five years worth of budgets to continue to replace our fleet and make sure we have the most up-to-date possible. and so that is important to know just how old the fleet is. make sure that the board of supervisors and the mayor, whoever that maybe, understand that is a priority for the city and for the citizens and certainly for the department. thank you for your work. >> thank you. >> madam secretary, will you call the next item? >> item six. commission reports. report on commission activity since lasactivitiessince last m, 2018.

>> is there any public comment on this item? seeing then, public comment is closed. commissioners? >> commissioner veronese: thank you at commissioner. so far, last meeting, i have been working, in our last meeting, i mentioned i was working with -- met with the chief about the peer support unit resolution. since that time, i took it off to local 798 and had some conversations with them about it. they seem to be ok with the current language. i'll discuss further in the next agenda item. and then i did have the pleasure of visiting the arson station down at the old toy program building. a great little building over there. they can build to the law enforcement building around it,

essentially. on my way there i got lost and i stopped in station four and they were more than happy to take some of the deserts i brought for the arson guys. i got to hang out with them, and take a look at it and get a tour of the station. it really is beautiful, a state-of-the-art station. it is worthy of this department, and it's cool to see. so i was there for a little barrett and i went over to station two, the arson task force over there and had lunch with them, and that was it wase experience. a lot like station 35. thirty-five is a lot older, it seems. it is a little station and needs some work, but it was really interesting and good to see the relationship between the police department, because the police department heads of people station there, as well, for obvious reasons. i didn't know we actually had members of our departments that are armed, for purposes of arson.

i guess that totally, it makes sense, thinking about it but i did not know. it was interesting to see. it was an interesting experience to learn more about fire and what they do and hats off to the chief, because they express the support they've been getting from the chief's office, to make sure that that unit even existed. i don't think too far back it was a struggling unit. it has gotten a lot of good things there. and then, today, i had the pleasure of visiting the ladies and gentlemen that participate in the search and rescue training. that was happening out out at china beach. we visited last year and it was around this time. and i was ready to spend -- i was able to spend a couple of hours with them. i didn't think they expected me to jump in the water, but i did.

i played a victim for a little bit, sorry chief. i was safe. i was used to that water. i have a lot of experience in that water. i was able to get a real sense of what these ladies and gentlemen do, and to the public out there, i actually have some pictures i can share with the commission if they want to see them. or maybe we can get that-- >> on the overhead? >> sure. [laughter] >> no muscles, commissioner.

>> you can start your three minutes now. commissioners, this happened, as you know, at the china beach, actually this is a five-day program. i've been trying to figure out -- make sure nobody calls. >> that is for the overhead. >> it is a five-day program. it starts off with 8400-yard qualification on monday. i actually, for the last 2-3 weeks, knowing that i would go out there and visit these ladies and gentlemen out there, i practised it. let me tell you, it is no small feat. i couldn't do it myself. i got to about 200 yards and almost had a heart attack. but that being said,. >> that's my concern. [laughter] >> i think technically i'm an employee, so i'm covered and i get paid 20 bucks at the end of these meetings. so, the first day --

>> forty-seven dollars. >> forty-seven dollars. not after taxes. the first days a qualification in the swimming pool on the second day is over at aquatic park where the water is a little bit calmer and still cold. and then the third day, they make their way towards the ocean. it is china beach which was this morning and really an amazing experience. and then i believe the fourth and fifth day are out in the rougher waters at ocean beach. i used to serve as a kid. >> he wants the overhead? >> china beach started off the there. this is them. they start the morning off there. with about an hour and a half less in learning about the titles and the water coming in and out and how that actually

affects the water and the tide affects the currents coming in and out. i was there around 10:00. and the tide was going out. at the water line, the water was pushing us towards the bridge. if you sat out there, you would move about 100 yards in less than a minute. it was actually pretty powerful. what these individuals do is pretty moving. they start off with a 400-yard swimming you can see the far rock there where the water is out at the end here. from there to the end and about here, it is about 400 yards. in that title water, it is pretty intense. i'm not in that picture. i did not do that. and then it broke up into four stations. the four stations where the rescue of somebody who had -- the first person was a person who was conscious, the second

one is a person who is unconscious, which is taught what very different experiences, and the third was using the board, and the fourth was using the jet ski is that you see here and here. chief stiles is explaining the current study actual jet ski itself, the undercurrents from the water being pulled in is really interesting and lots of dangerous there as well. moving on, more great pictures. i actually got in the water. i got a picture of you here. in real life, i have more hair, in real life my hair is more like the chief's hair. in this case, when it is matted down you can't tell. so these are just the stations are dead.

this is me as a victim. i played that one really well. i made it out of the water, and then the last portion of it, i thought this was actually very instructional, as well, i did not originally see the utility and it but i got to see the view of the water out by dead man's point and by the point where if you recall, tory fell back last june. seeing that perspective, as opposed to the prospective up on the cliff, brought me an appreciation for a bunch of things. for the equipment that we really need out there and i know this e commission talks about a marine unit as well. and there is me. you can see they are actually holding me up there. i don't have my arm around somebody. i am being held up. all in all it was a really good experience. but it did bring me appreciation that i have for, like i said,

the drones, that we really need to get moving on. that is on my desk. the marine unit, which is super important, floated around some ideas in my own client about maybe working with the nra because they have a unit out there as well it maybe working with the police department but it is something we should start wrapping our hands around. and that is it. i just wanted to personally thank the crew who was out there. they were very, very nice and welcoming, and especially the battalion chiefs and the crew of instructors who really do a top-notch job. one thing i did wanted to mention, one of my observations with some of the people that were there, they were so dedicated that they were there to become a part of this team on their own time. not even on department time, i thought it was pretty amazing. the wetsuits were donated by a's foundation. and , of course,, that just goes to show, you know, how we really

need this grant writer because i know some of those other grants could really help us get these men and women the right type of equipment be. because if they had the right type of equipment, they would be able to save some better lives. on my tour of that cliff side, which is pretty amazing how dangerous those cliffs are, and how rough that water is out there, i noticed, not less than, this is about 11:00 o'clock this morning, not less than four people that were literally sitting on the edges of those cliffs with their legs hanging over, taking pictures. i mean these people were future victims. there's no question about it. i was just there for a minute or two and i saw at least four people. it just goes to show how we probably need some better education along those coasts and i know that earlier this year i proposed a task force to the mayors office prior -- prior to apparently passing away, i will reoppose that because i think it

is important that people stay as far away from those cliffs as possible. as beautiful as it is, so dangerous and i could easily see one of those people falling from one of those cliffs, 200 feet into the water and i could see why we have so many calls out there, chief, and why this marine unit is something we need to pay attention to. so that being said, thank you for allowing me these three minutes and i will leave now. >> thank you. it was actually three minutes. that's ok. [laughter] any other commissioners wish to speak and make a report? any other commissioners? no? seeing none, madam secretary, we should call the next item. >> item six. agenda for next and future fire commission meetings. >> is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners?

maureen, wine don't you start by reading what is on the list -- why don't you start by reading what is on the list. >> we have an update from the airport division, and then i believe the chie chief mention e wanted to get a budget item. >> that should be on the next meeting. >> that's all we have so far. >> is that it? >> yep. >> commissioners? do you want to add something to a future commission. >> commissioner veronese: we have the peer support thing and i will distribute it to us this week to the rest of the commissioners. >> to the rest of the commissioners, right. anybody else? all right. >> item seven. adjournment. >> president cleaveland: seeing -- any public comment on this? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, what's your pleasure? [laughter]

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>> supervisor cohen: and we're live. good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. i want to welcome you