broadway studios fame, kind of looking up toward hue. this is the sidewalk. you know, at this point, it's 1:56, but i'm thinking if you're walking there with your family and trying to get by, you'd have to walk in the street. the sidewalk's not really being maintained at this point. i'd like to see a little more movement. you can see on the far right, i believe it's a security guard, the bald gentleman talking with the billionaire boy's club person. now, he's basically -- there's hue. if you look at the top of your screen, you're going to see a shadow coming off there. he'll be moving off to the right. that's the person in the north

face jacket. now he's in the street. we'd like to keep them out of the street for obvious reasons, as far as traffic. you have to remember, this is st. patrick's day night, so think of all the activity citywide. but we also have a major, major fire in our district where all our units were covering those blocks. i believe it was a four alarm fire, so all our resources that

night were dedicated to union street, and they actually had to call for other units to staff the -- the district for calls for service, that you know, they're short, as well, so it's a very, very busy night. so here's a gentleman off to the right, the billionaire boy's club, talking to somebody. and then, we have our north face guy right behind there. this is the two people that we previously identified.

now it's getting a little bit animated. you'll see the -- the north face gentleman kind of, you know, making movements and stuff. and i think, looking here, you can kind of see that it -- it could turn into a fight just based on body language and posturing. there's the north face guy getting a little bit pumped up, and the fight starts. there's north face -- the fight starts. now the north face is trying to hit somebody. there's a sucker punch. drops him, and then, they put the boots to him.

very easily to get a traumatic brain injury with something like that. we don't know what happened to him, but it didn't look good. here's another angle of the fight. drops him, and then putting the boots to him. and the thing about the fight is when it starts, it catches like fire. and so now you've got all these people that'll start fighting to the point where broadway's basically shutdown with people fighting in the street that you'll see shortly. trying to help him up, kind of

lift him up, goes right back down. out of view, but the fighting's still going on right now. we're going to see it come into view very shortly. billionaire boy's club, his friend, it's a smaller guy in a white jacket. he was knocked -- hit almost immediately during the initial fight, but then, you're going to see him get thrown down to the ground and punched over and over again, and that's by the gentleman in the plaid -- we talked about with the long hair you're going to see at the bottom of your screen.

there it goes, and then, the beating starts, and he gets hit. he gets up and tries to escape the area, but they go after him. here's another angle, and boom, what happened. here's security jumping in and helping, and i think that's fantastic because ecobe kicked even more and more, so security does definitely go in. they're not standing down, they're actively involved in trying to stop the fight. this is another angle at 1:53. you're going to see people coming down later on. this is the guy that you'll see them jumping into the car

shortly. the guy right there with the longer hair, he's the one that threw the person -- the smaller person in the white coat down. -- so there's that group. this is different angles right now, different groups, and what transpired. >> officer matthias, it does look like they're trying to clear the street at this point, at least. >> yeah, but you'll see the other angles, and this is in fact at 1:54. hue is very good at clearing the area right in front of their business. you'll see that. >> yeah. >> it's always shooed off to the side. it's unfortunate that all the

other businesses now have to have people congreggating in front of their -- we talked about all the guys in the matching plaid. now it's 2:01, so we're about another three minutes -- this is about three minutes prior to the shots being fired. you can see there's active -- there are active fights still going on right now, so it's not

just -- it's that one angle, but people are continuing to fight. it appears that the billionaire boy's club got his shirt ripped off or his jacket ripped off. i think that's him. he's carrying the white piece of clothing in his right hand. there's security, got the flashlight. i wish there had been, you know, 911 calls at this point. i know later on we'll go over when the 911 calls were made, and who they were made by. this is our entertainment district.

here's dual photos off to the left, and you can kind of see what's going off to the right. this is just a little bit east of the entrance for broadway studios, and you'll be able to see how the two photos shape in. very shortly, you're going to see a car on the right screen, a black car that's going to just kind of ease out. there, it's going to stop, and those guys that we talked about earlier all in the matching plaid are going to be coming around to the car. >> is that the parking lot? >> that's the parking lot, yes. so what you're going to notice they didn't just jump in the car and go. they're strategically leaving the doors open. i believe that's security walking up. but they're not just leaving.

they could have just taken the right turn and left. you're going to see they're going to keep the doors to the car open, and it's just going to creep up. he's going to go the wrong way on broadway. he's going to go into on coming traffic, and then he's going to veer off to the westbound lane, so you'll see them -- you'll see the car pulling out there and then you'll see it on the left screen. then, that area involves just a huge fight behind that car as they're leaving that just engulfs. you know, imagine if you're there, you're out for dinner, and, you know, you want to go down broadway and have a drink someplace, and all of a sudden you're in the middle of this. there's the car pulling out. you're going to see a girl drop -- that's when the shots are fired. now, everybody's running.

so the car passed, and then, a couple seconds later, shots were fired. now everyone's scrambling. here's another angle when shots are fired. you can see definite movement. you can see the -- up on the left screen where hue has the barriers or the -- the -- i think it's for crowd control. there it goes. everybody's moving, so the shots are fired. everyone's running. so with security being out here, i wouldn't -- i wouldn't consider them closed, and that's why when i was reading the e-mails, it leaves the impression that they are closed, and i have quite a bit of video, and you'll see the different time frames on there where they're not.

this video, now, it's 2:03. you can see in front of hue security looks like they're bringing the big guy right there, the billionaire boy's club. it looks like security's bringing them over. they're paying attention to him, which is good. i believe he works for hue,

gentleman in the blazer. so maybe at this point, they decide to stand down. i'm not sure, but they're going back to hue, and the -- the shots fired will be happening probably about another 30 seconds. but what i wanted to point out here is where hue is as far as in their closing procedures. you're going to see a lot of activity in getting in these barricades very, very quickly. you see they're starting to right now, and then, the shots are fired. watch how quickly after there's no threat how much activity in pulling those hue -- you can see the hue barricade being brought in. now, it's 2:04, 2:04 to 2:05.

>> was it ever determined where the shots came from? >> across the street. >> just across the street? >> but was it from a car? >> that black car. if we piece together statements from the police department and even statements from hue's security, it was the black car. there is no video of the actual shooting, but it's just going up and ten seconds later, the shots are fired. even detailing the car coming in the opposite direction of traffic, that's in statements from the hue's security as well. it's 2:05:42, and they're still moving the barricades. looks like there's still some activity in the alley. i'm not quite sure what that

is. yeah, it looks like 2:06:33, i see a lot of people coming out of the alleyway now. >> i'm assuming that that's the other party and they'll keep them separate until it's all

clear, they'll bring them out. that's what i assume. >> where do you think those people -- they were down in the alley? do you think they were still in the club coming from the alley or just down the alley or like commissioner lee said, that they -- the security brought them there to keep them separate? >> i could not speculate. it would just be -- it would be a guess, and i -- i don't know. >> okay. so that was st. patrick's day night and actually sunday morning. now, it's a week later. so we had, you know, a major disturbance on broadway, and now, it's a week later, and this is -- this is saturday night to sunday morning. >> officer matthias, just on the 18, war there had -- their

security contacted sfpd at all about the incident or asked for assistance? >> when i checked the c.a.d., there was -- the initial fight, when the fight broke out before the shots fired part, there was one call made that was not made by hue. that was made by the business next door. when the shots were fired -- and what i did was i called up every single person that there was a number available for, and none of those people identified themselves as hue. let's see...1 person is a security guard or works for the parking lot at 530 broadway. he works the parking lot, so he called. another person is a neighbor, who lives above centerfold's. another person was just in the area with friends. another person was at a pizza place across the street.

we have a taxi driver that was waiting for his fare. i've left numerous messages for one individual, hasn't answered the phone call at all, and then, the last one, person was just visiting the club, club monroe, and it was interesting, during that conversation, she said she was at monroe, and she said that the club next door seemed pretty rowdy. and i said well, what do you mean by that? she goes it was just -- kind of a lot of yelling. so those are the calls of everyone that i called to basically from the phone numbers that we had that called 911 that night. what i would -- you know, like would be a dedicated person, a person westbound if something jumps off, you've got help coming, because as you can see, this is a major fight.

>> the next one will be the 25th. >> in here, you're going to see a lot of different people coming out, and i'll point out them as they are coming out. not every coming out will have i.d. circles on them. the guy in the checkered shirt, you're going to see a lot of him. you're going to see him throughout this video. looking -- just looking at him right now, he appears intoxicated just by the hand movements, the footing, all that. just take a look for yourself.

he'll be on the top of your screen coming down. a lot of this shows just the relationship just coming down from hue to standing in front of broadway studios. now he's talking to some people there. he's going to be hanging out with them for a while.

the couple on the left, they have video of them leaving the club, as well. they don't appear as involved in the fight but just in the area, but you'll see a lot of them. that circle there, that's a person with braids. you're going to see him come out of the club, and i have to say that he -- during the night. it seemed like he was very rational -- here's a person that seems intoxicated. the girls are carrying her out, holding her up. so when we talk about intoxication levels and overserving, these are part of our concerns.

there's our friend in the checkered shirt. 1:42, i think he's just waiting for his friends to come out.

there's a friend talking with securi security. there's the gentleman with the braids. it seems he's the peacemaker throughout the night. we're going to see him kind of in the area of the fight, but it seems like there were times he was trying to maintain his friends. there's a crowd there. we've got security right there that's talking to the gentleman in the braids.

different people coming out now. and finally, it's closing time. the guy with the open shirt right there with the gold chain u you' . you're going to see him. he doesn't seem like he's in any of the fight, but he's going to join the frenzy, hitting the guy in the chickered shirt. the guy right here, the large guy with the chain on the far left, you'll see him involved in the fight. you're going to see thea with the gold chain coming out, and the girl with the pumps behind. she's going to use those as a weapon. you'll see her first beating one of the guys in the back, you'll see that.

and then, later on, you'll see her pulling off her shoes and using those as a weapon. here's the group. they're kind of up here on top. at one point, they -- they get into a verbal beef, and the two groups, i think later on, what -- we'll go into it specifically, but it gets broken up. our -- the person with the braids was helpful in getting the people separated. these are some of the girls that you're going to see

actively fighting. you're going to see him involved in the fight, as well, but the girls coming out, especially the one with that longer hair, she gets involved in the fight. that looks like basically a little prefight, an argument and stuff, and they separate them, and we'll talk about that shortly. you can see security there with the other -- with the other guy. but now, we're all walking in the same direction. i wish they had spent more time maybe talking with this gentleman because there's the other -- the whole other group. now we're here, we're still walking. there's the guy with the club

shirt. the fight's going to quickly start, and the guy in the club shirt, he's not involved in any of this, but he's going to take it upon himself to hit the guy in the checkered shirt at the start of this whole thing. security in the middle, they're trying to keep it. the girl with the pumps, hitting with a fist right now. the guy, looking who can i hit right now. that'll do. he gets hit. this guy is getting hit by the girls. now the club shirt and the checkered guy are going to go at it. this is on the right of the camera. and there's our friend with the

pumps. i think what happens is this loops. now, there's two cameras right there, so you'll be able to see the group coming down. >> officer matthias? >> yes. >> i think we've -- the commissioners have all seen this footage, so i think it's helpful to show it to the public. i'm curious, though, if i could sort of summarize the main points of concern, you know, they came up earlier to say we want to adjust our hours. they also said we've tightened up some of our sound attenuation. this is great, but this is clearly an issue around security, and so i'm curious, kind of what -- what you would

like to see them do. you know, we can kind of replay if there's specific points you want to fast forward to, but i don't think we need a play by play of the punches anymore, but i think we want to figure out how to regulate this and kind of make sure that the security works for you. so i know there's -- in some of your e-mails that you sent to them, there's i.d. scanners or questioning them about that, lead training. there's things that we always rely on, but i'm curious if there's something specific or a few specifics that you want to get into. >> okay. fair enough. i would say the different issues that we're dealing with, one is the overserving, that continues to be an issue. when people are being carried out, and the intoxication levels are very high, and that just adds to the problem. i'm amazed that the 25th happened after the 18th. when you already know, oh, my god, we just had a huge fight with shots fired, broadway

shutdown, and then, we're back to the same thing a week later, and this is when we're trying to be as good as possible so we can get our hours put back. that -- that's one of my concerns. i'm just afraid that we're sliding back into the old ways. and i'll be the first to admit, we haven't had that many calls for service, okay? i look at-just since the last three months, roughly, when we started to look at this probationary period, there were only four calls for service. it was a physical fight, the shots fired, another physical fight, and then, we got a late reporting of a physical fight, a hospital reporting the next day that said hey, we have somebody that got beat up at hue, they have lacerations and a swollen wrist, and we are mandated to report. that's the only way we found out about that. but the concerns that i have, one, the overserving.

i look at their security, and actually, i'm pretty happy with -- if you look here, when they're working with their crowds, they're doing a good job with what they have. people are intoxicated coming out, but it's not like neanderthals, this big guy, i'm going to beat them up. now, they're talking to them. i have to say i'm pretty happy with that, the relationship that they're able to have with the patrons, that's why i said patrons from another club. well, you're hugging each other and doing shakes and stuff, and breaking out fights and stuff. you know they're hanging out in that area because you just shooed them away. one of the things we talked about -- i even looked up an e-mail from two years ago about the i.d. scanners, when

somebody gets in a fight or near fight, you keep them separated. granted, they were not inside the club when it happened. i understand we have limited time. one of the groups, they're walking down, they meet up, and there's a flaling of the arm, they're about to start, security does a very good job of grabbing their arms. they did a good job. i wish they had finished it up, okay? so one group is leaving down the street, down the sidewalk. take the opportunity with the other person you're working real well with rapport, hey, those guys are jerks there. you're having a great time tonight. how about next time you come, let me give you a v.i.p. pass because you've been a complete gentleman. use the gift of gab.

i'm n -- gab. i'm not going to be too critical, but i believe the second fight could have been avoided if we had just gotten this wave of people down there, just even stalling with the person, hey, even, great, i'm going to give you my business card and stuff. this guy's happy. you're praising him. now he thinks he's going to be able to get into the club. it's a good-good for everybody. as far as the conditions, yeah, would i like an i.d. scanner? absolutely. when we have this, when we have people getting kicked in the head, these are all felonies. these are huge felonies. the shots fired, we'd be able to identify those people if there was an i.d. scanner. mr. montoya, i believe a couple years ago tried it, and there was some technical difficulties. in fact my e-mail to him was, did you have an i.d. scanner

that night? i didn't even get a response from mr. montoya, i got a response from his attorney, and that question wasn't answered. so i'm concerned about that. the i.d. scanner would have been helpful, because we would know who's in the club, and that could have been after something happens. that could be a search warrant, we could do it that way. that's fine, but at least we have the means to go back and try to figure out what happened and who was actually there. that's huge, and when we look at the hours, that's a concern, too. 2:00, it was kind of unusual as far as it being a four alarm fire and all our resources over there, i'll give you that, by our swing watch goes -- they're off at 2:00, so they're going to be back doing paperwork, so we have the midnight watch. they're there, and so when they need help, you know, we have

enough people, you know, for limited services to deal with that. you can see how quickly if something happens and we have to put personnel over, all the units or a lot of the units that responded that night were units from all over the city that were detailed into our district. so that's a real concern. so if we have to have a club that's going to have these large fights and shots fired, make should sounds facetious, but if we could get it done earlier when we have more resources, public safety wise, we're going to be able to respond to it a little bit better. because you have to remember when officers are calling for assistance for shots fired, that means people are coming code three from other parts of the city to get here to render aid. any time you go in a code three fashion, it increases the fashion of officers being hurt, the public being hurt, so anything we can do to minimize that.

we've -- you know, this is just two weeks in a row. >> did anything happen after the 25th? is anything on the record? >> there was the one c.a.d. that i got in that was the hospital call. >> besides that. >> yeah, the mandated reporter, and that was from 5 -- may -- well, let me look. >> i think you forwarded that. >> may 6. >> may 6. >> but that's when it was reported. >> right. >> i think commissioner bleiman might have a question just so we can move this along quickly. >> you started this entire presentation by reading a report that the club provided you about the incident. am i accurate about that? >> say that again. >> you started the presentation by reading a report or an incident report -- >> correct, the security report that was generated by hue. >> and when did you receive that report? >> i believe it first went to

the entertainment commission. i don't know if i was c.c.'ed or it was forwarded. >> it was forwarded, like, the morning before, but i can pull it up -- or the morning after. i received it the morning after it was sent to inspector burke, and i was on the c.c., and then, i forwarded it. >> that was my only question. >> okay. >> commissioner frost? >> there was an issue brought up that they asked for a copy of a report and somebody -- a representative of the police department wouldn't give it to them because they weren't a named complainant, i think. >> yeah, i wish i would have been called because i would have been able to furnish it through then tainment commission? >> do you know the people's policy on people -- department's policy on people that were down at the rec room? >> you know, i believe that was a civilian, and i don't know what their specific policy is

on sending out a report. when i get a report, i send it to the entertainment commission, as well as the -- >> and if your lawyer asked you for a copy of that report, would you give it to them. >> actually, i believe it was furnished to him, because i furnished it to maggie, and it was sent for dissemination. [inaudible] >> thank you, officer matthias. you will get your chance to speak if you'd like, but this time is really for us and sfpd. >> and just to carry on that, i think we saw the gentleman in plaid, the whole group, and the car going up. and based on statements that we got from hue's security and the

video that we all saw as far as the car creeping up going the wrong way on broadway, pulling into that lane, all three witnesses describe something very, very similar. in fact one of the girls that i called today for the 911 call, she talked about a dark car shooting up in the area. no, the shooting -- the shots fired did not have inside club hue, but the patrons from club hue were the ones that were in that car that fired the weapon. >> great. commissioner bleiman. >> so it's impossible to say with certainty, but it seems likely just from the video evidence that the -- that some of the security staff at hue knew some of the people caught on video committing fellies. >> -- felonies. >> if you look at the video. >> no, no, it would seem

obvious, did the security people provide you with any names of the people involved on video committing felonies in. >> no. >> well, from what i understand hue didn't believe that any of their patrons were involved in set fight, but we'll bring them up and kind of actually ask that more later. >> okay. >> commissioner perez? >> hi, officer. good to see you again. i see that officers were wearing all black. do you think it would be better if they were wearing different colors in the back as well as the front in. >> i would, and also, it's part of their conditions. >> thank you. >> any other questions for officer matthias? thank you very much. i'd like to invite -- oh . >> do you want to talk to security or do you want to have -- i'd like to have the head of security.

>> yeah, i'd like to invite hue back up, so whether it's the head of security or mr. blum or mr. montoya, we can take questions now, so commissioner lee, go ahead. >> actually, i want to talk to john, head of security. so for all, it's all about preventative maintenance. how many security guard's do you have at closing. >> on that particular night, we have eight. >> so how come in the video, i only see about three? where are the rest of the five guards? >> normally inside and at the side door. i wasn't there that night, but proet ctocol isn't to put every outside. >> and who is the supervisor in charge, because i don't see anybody being a supervisor or guarding -- or telling which guards to take care of which area? and the thing is when you only have three guards in the front

and you're trying to separate people, and then, you've left your front door wide open, i would think that you would bring your five security guards outside to help with the rest to clear the streets. i mean, my opinion, and we've been through this before, your security does know some of the patrons. it's obvious on the video, and a lot of times when patrons are very friendly with security, they think that they run the front door. >> agreed. >> what the deal is you don't have enough security to sweep people out of the way so they can be on their way, they're left to linger. it's kind of reminding me of the place on sutter treat before, okay? and we had the same problems. my suggestion is you guys should be coming out, have maybe one or two guys to protect the inside, but you should have most of your manpower out sweeping the street because when i counted

around the time before everything broke out, i only see three guards. and the people involved in the situation, they're friends of the guards. i know that the guards don't want to antagonize them or what, and they think they'll walk away, but it was very apparent that they were there for at least five or ten minutes before this all broke out. if you've got more people out there to sweep the streets, get them into their cars, get them into the parking lots and going home. i think when you saw the other party going out, your guards did the right thing to separate the two. that's usually the protocol. i think in that part, they're good. i think officer matthias thinks they're good, i just don't think you have enough of them. if you only have five guards for the sweep, you should close earlier, and at 2:00 when

everything else opens, get off the street. now this is only my experience. i'm not -- what they have to say about it. i'm just saying the procedure can only go so far. yeah, you can do jackets, but if you've only got three guards outside, and you're breaking out in so many different areas. the guards should not be letting them waiting for their ubers or whatever on the street. i'd rather have them block the sidewalk then get run over by a car. and the video's very specific, and guys are getting knocked out on the street, could be run over. i mean, i hate to tell you, bennett, but this thing's right here, you're going to have a lawsuit with that guy that got punched, and i'm just saying, you don't need that. and we as a venue, right, we as venue owners are supposed to protect each other and do the

right thing. and you know, john, you know, you do a lot of clubs. and i don't know if it's always your call. i know you weren't there. i don't know if bennett was there, but somebody had to make the call to only have three guards on-site, and that's all i have to say. >> can i have bennett come up? >> just i want to be clear, i don't disagree with anything commissioner lee had to say at all because those are the right protocols. however, i've done 600 front door evenings, couple hundred other day shifts, and there are mitigating circumstances which cannot be contained in the video. there could be people justin's the front door, people could be doing i markers across the street or down the street. i wasn't there, but the person supervisor, first, there's mitigating circumstances that security isn't there, maybe with an intox, which you see a

girl getting carried out, you have to apply protocol for that. we didn't know if a -- if a fight was going to break out because if i stand outside a movie theater in an afternoon matinee, there's a crowd control problem right when the movie ends. so any night time establishment anywhere in san francisco at 2:00 in the morning, 1:50 to 2:05 a.m., there is more crowd than security to handle, we're trying to mitigate risk. again, there might be a circumstance that prevented all the security guard's from being outside. also, the gentleman that officer matthias kept pointing out. that's the head of security e, so he's trying his best to direct, but again, i don't disagree with anything he has to say. >> can i ask a question? >> sure. commissioner camino? >> yes.

after reviewing the footage with our commission, with the police, what do you say should be done differently with the team that's in place, and also what do you have to say about the security not contacting the police, not one call from the venue. >> of course, hindsight 2020, what i would like to see is security doing sweeps in pairs. 5% of my experience indoors, i will say 95% of the time, the crowd is not compliant, 95%. they are not listen aring ing security. what we try to do is herd cattle at that point. uber on small sidewalks and lyfts have complicated issues in the last two years. it was much easier because there were no cabs and there was no uber lyft coming. so to answer your question directly, pairs would be better

with more flashlight usage. when you raise your voice, people intoxicated raise their voice back. if we had 20 security, as we had back door at fusion lounge, on a drake evening, no one was moving. we had 15 security out side mezzanine, and nobody was moving. all we can do to maintain visibility and two is better. the second one, i don't know why they weren't called. all i can -- this is just from my experience. i haven't called 911 for every fight that's happened, okay? i haven't called 911 for any fight that's happened on the street. it's how much they see. as far as the shots, quite frankly, they panicked. they were trying to get barricades in, they were stumbling on themselves in the front door, and why they didn't

call right after, i don't know. i don't know the line of communication between them and management. so should they have called? yes. i think any time you see a large fight, what we define as a group of ten or more engaging security, whether or not it's management is where we failed in not calling right away, but i don't know the reason were they did not call, but it couldn't have been a very good reason. >> i have to say watching that footage, just preparing for this meeting and watching it with the narration from officer matthias, it's traumatizing. i am so sorry to your patrons who were there that night and why drunk, it was traumatizing. i think what happened on broadway was like mad max, and it makes me really sad that this is the entertainment district that we pride ourselves around and we should hold you to a higher standard. people trust you. enthuse come to your club, and if you can't keep them safe,

then you are perpetuating a culture of violence, and i don't think that's okay. >> okay. >> commissioner perez? >> in the same light, there's a lot of coordination between your security guards to when this is happening in real-time. it seems like when the fight is started happening, there was still the three securities in the front. i'm just wondering when there's a fight incident for the rest of the fight people to assist with the incident in the front of the street. >> the fixed positions have to say. so if they're managing a ball service environment that has to be cleared, that security has to stay because we don't know how fast the fight is going to get out of control. unfortunately from experience, 95% of fights self-contained. they don't look like that which is why it makes good video. then you have a fixed position inside the front door watching the box office and the coat check. then you have a fixed position at the main bar because we do

find people tend to get a little krajs around barred that are unmanned by security. that leaves one to two. where they were, were they holding a group back? were they staring at the ceiling? i can't tell you, but that team has also contained -- it's a team, so i have to trust them because in the last several years -- >> this happened a few weeks ago, did you do an -- did you do a review? did you talk to staff? what do you mean, you don't know what happened? >> i don't know exactly what was thinking of the one or two extra guards. they're not going to tell me they were staring at the ceiling. how they answer me is probably going to be what i want to hear, so i talk to the head of security, e, and the supervisor that night. and i say how can we do it differently, and as you guys all saw, it jumps off, and it

jumps off very quickly. they are not law enforcement trained, and they don't have back up. their duty of care extends from line of sight in a legal environment. so we try to do that duty of care by being present all the way down the block. but by putting our hands on people half a block away, with you introduce new exposure because we are civilian. a guard car doesn't add anymore law enforcement powers, no more than the six of you sitting up here. so there is a delicate balance, and commissioner perez, i do feel your opinion as well. i have to look this way and act this way and be stoic as i've seen hundreds of these. we engage the client, and the clientd client here is hue, but

again, this happened very quickly, and there's no requirement that they go that fast. >> and what is the requirement for your security not wearing uniforms. >> by the bsif standards, we have to be uniformed. they have to be all matching, and they have to have a marker national standards. they have a lapel pin of one and a quarter inches that matches our logo. now, do they always wear it? no. if i'm out there, they're wearing their blazers, and we color code our clubs. but 95% of the clubs don't where security uniforms that say security. 95% of our corporate clients and marijuana grows and private

clients wear uniforms. but clubs prefer suits. we try to uniform them by color ties, headset, lapel pin. they didn't wear their blazer that night, that was a failure on my side, not the venues. >> i'm just curious. i'm hung up on the incident report and how it was so inaccurate based on the footage that we watched. can anyone explain why it didn't account for what happened that night in detail? >> i'm sorry. are you talking about the time framing, 1:54 as opposed to 1:59? >> so what i heard from the report that the officer read was that it was unclear if these patrons came from the club, that the club was closed at the time that the shots were fired and all these things seemed to not add up once watching the video footage. >> are you talking about from

security from correa or earnest or are you talking about the pd incident report? >> i'm not positive, but the officer read first from an explanation. i don't know if it was a report or an e-mail. >> yes, it was a report from hue, yes. >> i can only speak as far as the closed, when we say we're closed, that doesn't necessarily mean that the doors are closed or you know, we're not -- like,he doors are closed and all our employees are inside. i mean, we're closed, we close at 1:30 in the front, 1:40 in the back. we're clearing. >> yeah. just -- we have fights at my establishments, and we get to the bottom of them, and we ask our security what happened, and our security tells us the truth generally and says oh, that was jimmy or john or whatever -- whoever it was. he's a regular here, and he had too many drinks, and this other guy bumped him, and he said

something to his girlfriend or whatever, and we kind of get that down. and just to hear that reporter explanation or what it was, and to say we had no idea if the people were here or not here, it just seemed -- how did you get such information that seemed to be so clearly inaccurate based on the behavior -- like, numerous security people were shaking hands -- not that they necessarily knew them, but they were aware that they were coming out of hue specifically? that's my -- yeah. >> i can't speak for earnest. i can only assume that, you know, since every night, you know, there's that area of where the parking lot is and right there and broadway studios, you know, there is so much foot traffic going back and forth, and that is usually a congregation area. i can't speak to him saying they were or weren't. i think what he was trying to imply since all the clubs

release and that was a congregation area over on that side of the parking lot and on the parking lot past kearny. i can only assume that's why i wasn't sure. i don't know if john, you want to speak. >> there's -- okay. so -- >> oh, wait, john. one thing. do you -- every time there's an incident, your supervisor's supposed to write a report? supervisor's are usually supposed to be writing a report, not just for police, but for your insurance company, for yourself. >> sorry. i only smile because i push back on this a lot. >> just curious because instead of thinking about it, there should be a report. >> that's why we have d.a.r.'s and d.i.r.'s, daily activity reports and daily incident reports. what falls into these buckets, is a crossover of 5% that's a gray area. >> but is there a report from your supervisor that night?

>> oh, yes, to answer your question yes. 5:30, 5:45 is the time i get up. it was still about 4:30, 4:20, e, earnest carerra, if i get a text that exceeds 20, i need to get up. if i get a text that exceeds 50, i need to get there. we do the incident report quickly because i need to get all the data as quickly as possible. i actually transcribed that report as quickly as report. the thing about reports is it's a published report, so there cannot be nuances that could lead to gray areas, so i asked him, was it hue patrons?

could be some hue patrons. i don't know, maybe monroe's, but it's st. patty's day. he starts to trail off the rhetoric. i said, yes or no, and he didn't know. so we -- >> excuse me. i need to go to the bathroom. can we take a five or ten minute break? >> sure. you want him present? >> yeah. i apologize the length and i recognize him from the video. a four to five-minute gap usually isn't unsettling because i can get the data to bleed in four to five minutes. this one, yes, there was a serious crime chommitted, a shooting. i transcribed that report at 5:00 in the morning and immediately published because there's another hearing, this one. there's going to be always a