could be some hue patrons. i don't know, maybe monroe's, but it's st. patty's day. he starts to trail off the rhetoric. i said, yes or no, and he didn't know. so we -- >> excuse me. i need to go to the bathroom. can we take a five or ten minute break? >> sure. you want him present? >> yeah. i apologize the length and i recognize him from the video. a four to five-minute gap usually isn't unsettling because i can get the data to bleed in four to five minutes. this one, yes, there was a serious crime chommitted, a shooting. i transcribed that report at 5:00 in the morning and immediately published because there's another hearing, this one. there's going to be always a hearing for any of my clients

at some point, so i needed to get the report out quickly, so that's why everyone said the report came in the morning of. and so i do apologize for any inaccuracies, but we were close. the one mistake again i will own that head of security should have called 911. thank you. >> we had a request to have a five-minute break. i will honor that request, so let's take a break and return at -- look at my clock. 7 7:34 so we will requeen -- reconvene at 7:39. >> and mr. >> we are reconvening at 7:40

p.m. commissioner frost, i think you had a question or a comment next. >> yeah, just as long as the other commissioners, you were done with your questions. for securi, i agree with officer matthias with the job your security did prior. i don't know if they actually had a personal relationship with any of the people they were talking to other than just being good security guards, interacting and getting a relationship with them so that they can get them to move. i saw them take action on the -- on the video when it appeared to be needed. i agree with your security working in pairs out there. it's a -- you know, they with watch each other's backs, plus it's a little more physical presence there. i did look at the permit, the conditions on the permit, and it did say once the security guard out front has to be in a

recognizable security outfit. as you talk about the government standards, the headset, i don't know if that would qualify somebody from the public, readily identifying them as security. i would rather have the word "security" on their back. and then, do your security guards have radios? >> yes. >> so have you put something in place because obviously, the person going hands on that people out front, it's kind of hard for them to make the 911 call, but if they had a radio with a manager of some sort or somebody responsible inside the club to listen for the radio, that they could radio in and say hey, there's a fight out here, somebody call 911. have you discussed that with your or put that in place or anything -- anything differently than that night that you've asked your -- or

directed your security staff to do? >> nothing different because i didn't see any fault in their actions. it's only what is -- it's glaringly apparent to me that the 911 call by the head of security should be made by head of security and not double-check. often time as a private vendor, our head of securities ask supervisors to report directly to management. not that management pushes back but sometimes there's a delay in that. but yes, he and i have talked about it, and he's well versed. he comes from sf clubs, ten years, and he knows about crowd control. that's why i put him there. now, the answer i should employ on a more consistent basis, head of security sees anything that exceeds his power of control, not just violent behavior but crowd behavior, he should inform management.

anything he sees that he would think would be violent behavior, he should call 911. i also don't disagree with larger security in larger establishments having a security jacket, something that's a little more tasteful than yellow, but security jacket, i don't disagree with that at all. it is client to client. some push back, but i don't disagree. >> and then, as security management at the door, again, looking at his involvement, he did a great job, but manager with hands on has a hard time disengaging and managing the rest of the force. he becomes one of the force, and there's not somebody, the quarterback back there directing the security guards to do his job. he's an excellent security guard, and sometime it's hard

for people that when they are the worker bee for them to be able to step back and direct people to do things. i think maybe after this incident, did you go in there and have a debriefing with everybody, your security that worked that night? >> no, just the head of security and the supervisors. so we have two supervisors perteam, and so the team was relatively small. i spoke to them, but a much more casual like, what was your take, are you okay? for me, it's about trauma. i start with that: are you okay. we have two guards on that that have never been on a detail like that. they were security guard's, ticker tape. we had a security guard, it was meet. he runs other properties for me and does assessment, so we got a chance to sit down and talk about it. where most head of securities, there's not a lot of guys as small as me doing head of

security. i natural fit into the cooler role, so the cooler role is to back up and quarterback it, because i surround myself with better and larger individuals. lester is both. sometimes he feels because he's the lanchest guy on the team, he engages, but he loses the ability to assess the situation and direct traffic. i'm not saying this event is highly unusual. second thing, e because he's full-time with me and full-time security, on a salary, because he wants to move up in the company, he told everybody to stand down. he felt that the duty of care was being stretched a bit, so guards are starting to kind of reign back a bit just looking after him because he was the

biggest guy. you don't hit a guy like e without a lot of courage. so that's why people was not hitting him, people were hitting around him, he put himself in harm's way for the berme betterment of the team. usually the largest member goes into a situation like that. it was the best we could do. i don't think it was ideal. >> and then, i had another train of thought. when did you first look at the video? >> day later. >> oh, okay. because, you know, i understand the -- >> club hue's video. >> yes -- yeah, yeah. >> yeah, so i don't know exactly what i was looking at, so i don't know which specifically which videos were showing what for us. so we probably got a better view than you did the day

after. but i -- i kind of can understand where your security was hemming and hawing whether your patrons or hue's patrons were involved in it. but after seeing the video -- again, i don't know which videos are from where, it's obvious that they were hue's patrons. so, i mean, that -- like i said, i could see maybe the head of security saying that, even though i think he interacted with a couple, but maybe it was just the other security guards, and if he aren't really talked to them. but from looking at the videos, we looked, to us hue patrons were involved in both those incidents. and then, when you're in the middle of the fight again, and you're trying to defuse it, i could see the security guard's not making a phone call, but when the shots fired happened,

definitely, it should have been then. and then, another thing that really concerns me, the gentleman that was on the street that got kicked, he got kicked a couple of good times, but it looks like somebody did a swing and a miss that really would have done more damage than was already done. and even though i don't like them, for all the issues that are going on in this club, i think i.d. scanners would be appropriate here because we could easily be looking at a murder investigation of that gentleman that was on the sidewalk. and then, short of that, any time there's trauma to the head, you know, first aid always dictates you don't move the victim. well, it looked to me like a woman friend of his came over and grabbed him and was dragging him, and he looked all

disoriented. i would have looked for your security guards to make the approach there, keep him on the ground and make the 911 call for the city to respond, the ambulance or the paramedics to respond to show appropriate medical care for that gentleman. >> questions? >> commissioner bleiman. >> yeah. can you just walk me through a busy night on closing. so hue seemed to clear the busy sidewalk in front of it. and then it just seemed like all of a sudden those patrons became the problem of the neighbor's security, essentially. what's the protocol exactly? are they supposed to disburse them out -- and i know it's not easy. >> being head of security, i can talk in first person, but i'll talk this way. we pushed the first two stages -- obviously, i'm not going to go through the closing

timing. it's been discussed before, but as far as function, we put the barricades in a way that the patrons go right, so right towards the bay. so if you're looking at the club, they're going left. if they go right, because we choose the -- the least paths of resistance, and one of the paths for intoxicated or even patrons at night is lights and sounds and movement. with the exception of fame, there's nothing really past the parking lot, so we send them in that direction. also, it's a parking lot, and most patrons have their cars parked there. if we put them left, they'd run into several bars, including monroes. at that point, we make sure the flow is continuous, so most guards are on the perimeter of the site and building, and being vocal. let's keep it going. now, we get to your issue,

which is correct. they start to just stag natena the sidewalk. i would say 40 to 50% of any night at any given night club is going to be lyft to uber. i don't think it's the # the 0% that people claim -- 90% that people claim it is. the other 50% is waiting for a friend. we recycle, we go back to them, your friend's not here, can you please help us out. 10%, they're not moving for any reason, and they're not moving for anything reason, so we ignore them until we can get everybody else out. it's much like the same situation inside the club.

we get the easy low hanging fruit. again, the low hanging fruit are people -- are small groups, three or less, a couple or several friends. we can get them moving very quickly. then we focus on the larger groups. larger groups are second because they take more manpower and patience to move. what you're seeing is the first five minutes of most clubs, but the largest contingency of groups, it makes it more difficult for us. but we do it within 15 minutes # # 99% of the time. >> can you talk to us about service, because it seems there's an intoxicated woman being held by two people to get her out of this building, so how is it possible in this bar

to have over intoxicated patrons. >> i can't talk to the service of alcohol, but i can talk to intoxication. you're now involving -- the rhetoric is going to involve a lot of biological make up, it's going to involve tempo of drinking, cadence of drinking, and it can happen well over 50% of the time without more than anybody in the business can predict. because of body weight, temperature of the environment, if they took some pills, legal pills, not medication, they put on an inhaler. people can get to an intoxication level very quickly, and it's not as a result of overserving, it's as a result of improper ingestion of alcohol. unfortunately it's a little more technical than i would like to say, but that one woman, to me, is an anomaly. insofar as could she have been

overserved? could she be suffering from alcohol poisoning? yes, so i can't give a direct answer to that, but i can say her friends are helping her out, and whether that's a result of security, management or goodwill friends, that's good thing. if it's people we're not sure she came with, we'll ask them, but that is the best case scenario in a situation like that insofar as coming out of a night club because we can't prevent them with leaving, especially if they're with friends that are sober. so can it happen, yes, but i can't tell you exactly the reason why. i don't distribute liquor. >> all right. commissioner frost, and then, maybe we can try to move into some action. >> all your security guards are leads trained? >> for the most part, yes. here's why: i don't find lead training -- except for head of security and the supervisors which have all the will notes, some more valuable than others,

lead training, i don't -- okay. it goes into the same camp at cpr training. if you give someone a license, they feel they can do that or more. we used to have every one of our guards cpr trained, and it got us into an enormous amount of trouble because everyone is now a paramedic, and the good samaritan policy doesn't apply to paramedic professionals as i found out in a couple of legal matters. so the lead training, we prevent some of our guards to -- if they're not in alcohol positions, not to have any type of exposure, including lead training, okay? i would say 25% of my staff out of about 160 should have lead training, and it's something that i'm going to walk away and actually enforce it. it's much harder than i would like. i will say most of the people shouldn't have lead training if they aren't around alcohol at all. they should have lead training

if they're near distribution and management of alcohol. i hope that answers your question. >> it does, and i have to give disclosure, as i was sitting here. i remembered my son is the lieutenant at swing watch at central station. we have not discussed this. he's never brought the subject up, and i've never talked to him about it. >> thank you, commissioner frost. i have a couple questions. how do you think you handled incident on the 25th? we talked a lot about the 18th. it was st. patrick's day, people get rowdier, but officer matthias was right, he was surprised that it happened a week later, and maybe certain measures weren't taken or in place, dow have any thoughts about how that worked? >> okay. i want to take that at two separate questions.

the first one is how we handled it, that particular incident. the second is given that previous week, do you still feel you handled it correctly. let's take the second one. because the original one, we didn't think we did a bad job. i don't think the security guards failed in their duty as security guards, so i didn't ask them to change anything. be more aware, be very careful, be safe. it goes teams, colleagues, patrons. now as far as that incident, i think any time a person is very animated -- i know one person or two talks about animation, if anybody is animated, we should keep a closer watch. that's the one that when i look at the video, i actually thought the 25th was worse than the 18th because the venue didn't fail, the head of security failed by not putting

better care. you should have got in front of that situation. i think a lot of night club guards as commissioner frost pointed out is actually twofold, he's absolutely right. i -- one of our trainings is learn five names every night, just five person's names, usually what i call head of households. so if it's a big group coming in, it's 12, find out the guy who's not the birthday boy, find out the guy who's paying for it, or the girl who's hosting it, because if you know mike or amanda's name, and things start getting rowdy, you can go hey, mike, amanda. a hug goes a long way in our business. it has saved my face and a lot of other faces that work for me. so i think the problem with the situation on the 25th is it wasn't just a name, that our guard knew that person because

it was so slow. when it's a slow night and the patrons are slow, you get to know them throughout the night, so in my opinion, he should have of a much longer conversation with the patron. >> yeah, and i think that's fair to say if you think you did the proper thing the first weekend that, you know, there's not it

feels like some of this, that the after shocks of what happened on st. patrick's day

haven't been fully cleared up yet, so to come to us while this is still being aired outputs you in a trickier position from our standpoint to say through

the video of it. and he said that our protocols were correct, where we could have improved because there's always room for improvement, is the handoff to sfpd and the communication on that. now, there's a pattern to this that, you know, started on may 6 of 2014 where these c.a.d.'s get dumped on you guys, and it sounds like there's 65 c.a.d.'s or 52 c.a.d.'s, and it's not a

clear representation of what is actually going on. when you look at that, and you do the numbers behind it, we're, from the 2015 to 2017, those reports, we're looking at an incident rate of 1%, below 1%. and i'm not saying we're not a perfect venue, but there is a pattern. it's happened in 2014, it happened at 2015 at my a.b.c. hearing, and it's happened again in 2017. and i consider myself a responsible owner, and things happen. and how we respond to those, yes, but these aren't happening all the time on this problematic street. in that same month, there was a shooting down the street. in that same month, there was a murder. there's a problematic element on broadway that we're all

trying to do our business in. >> may i just -- [inaudible] >> okay. go ahead. >> i'd like to address your question. >> sure. if you can speak into the microphone. i don't know if that one's working. >> is it working? >> yes. >> okay. to identify why now, 'cause every night, they're unable to present live entertainment after midnight, they lose money. he's lost a lot of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars. his credit rating, his reputation of his business. it's financial and other laws. it's time he has to take away from his young daughter. that's why now, as soon as possible. that's why. the history to which mr. montoya is referring, it's really important, if i may, to

take a couple of minutes to talk about the history. he opened the club ten years ago. it was called atmosphere at the time. with no warnings from a.b.c., no findings, no problems. with four successive captains of the central district, four of them. in 2014, along comes captain david lozar, and what david lozar says to bennett, in front of others, your hip-hop music is bringing in, his words, blat

of the 52 reports that were made to this commission and also to the a.b.c. board, the a.b.c. board had an evidentiary hearing over several days, and of the 52 complainted that the police department filed, they found only 4.5 of the 52 complaints that be substantiated. that's 8%. 92% of the complaints were unfounded.

and what did they do? this is key, it's really important to know this. anything happened in the 400 block of broadway, a busy block with a dozen clubs including topless clubs, young people drinking, people coming out of all the clubs, and all about the same time, that essentially, they used the address where the police car was parked in front of hue for atmosphere and front of hue, same place. they used that as a locus for the disturbance, and that's why 92% of them were thrown out by the a.b.c. appeals board. that's what we have. and now, we have the same thing, st. patrick's day, and in sergeant matthias' own report, it says fight started in front of fame, the other club. i don't blame fame, i don't blame any of the other clubs,

people are drinking, people are partying, people are coming out, and people are hotheads. how are you going to hold him responsible authorize that. >> i think what we're trying to say, of the 6 5 c.a.d.'s that were presented in june, if you go through even a few, noise complaints, it says 447 broadway, hue. in the actual c.a.d., it says a different nightclub. hue, verbal fights. down the street, not even close to hue, on stockton, montgomery. suspicious person reports, our address. no -- nowhere near it, but if you read into the c.a.d. -- and that is why there's only eight actual incident reports of the out of the six intoxication c.a.d.'s, none of those were patrons of hue.

none. in fact five out of the six of those, we actually flagged down sfpd to come and help. or specifically one, at 2:30 a.m., a female nonpatron acted out in front of our door, and we bring her inside to help her, and we call first aid and for sfpd. we' >> we've been down this road, and i don't think our commission has said you're responsible for every kring will c.a.d. report. i hear that loud and clear. i think today when we're talking about st. patrick's day, there's a claim that your head of security didn't believe that it was your club's responsibility and that the patrons didn't come out of there when the evidence at least the evidence that we've seen so far showed they were folks that came out of hue. so i think the question is when you are responsible, when it is your patrons, when they're

20 feet away from your door, what are you doing to ensure that they're safe, that they're not bringing in fights, that they're not going to the streets. when we can attribute it to hue, we want to make sure that you guys are doing it right, and -- >> yes, and i think in the videos, of course, those are not our videos, but in our pacts, you did receive our videos. i don't know if you guys looked at them before or not, but what you would see is you would see six plus of our security guards breaking up fights in the middle of the street and going out there, possibly even saving some people's lives. i was out there. i mean, earnest -- >> yeah, i saw it might have been earnest bear hug someone and get them out of the way. >> i was out in the street telling them that our guards needed to fallback for safety

reason. >> it's partly about the incident, but how can we prevent these from happening without saying you can't have entertainment after midnight? how can we do thing right -- i think you're right, there's a bigger problem along the street, and whether it's the cbd, whoever, the clubs banning together and saying we want to figure out a better system or whatever to defuse all the street crowds, that's in a different question, that's in a different solution. but when it comes back to you, how can we redo that? i'm just curious what your thought is because otherwise, we're just stuck in this point where you're saying we're doing everything we can, the neighbors and police are saying no, you're not. our tools are limited in terms of what we can do, either start or stop you. i'm going to let him respond. >> okay.

go ahead. >> i'll let him respond first. >> on our end, we can patrol further down. we can patrol further down, even though, you know, we're going onto other properties and -- we can staff more. we have eight security guards. we also have five in house management who all have guard cards and lead cards. the staffing is there. we can already try to monitor more of the broadway corridor. we already do that with our other businesses around. in the past i've worked closely with sfpd from 2008 to 2014. we figured out certain hot spots, you should say, on the broadway corridor. there's three of them. those protocols aren't used anymore, but those are protocols that i would like to have a communication with with central department and bring up some ideas to work together with. >> may i make a suggestion?

to answer your question, all of your -- you have legitimate questions: what can be done about this? that's the question. one thing that can be done about this is a dozen clubs or eight clubs or ten clubs all getting out at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, that's the time there should be a police car there. that's the time there should be police officers there. get the cops there, and this wouldn't have happened on st. patrick's night. if there were a police car there to watch and see, that wouldn't have happened. >> well, there was also a very unusual fire that occurred that night that did tax resources. i'm going to let commissioner lee ask his question, and then thank you for giving us a few ideas, but i kind of want to start generating some thoughts about what we do here. >> so i don't want to rush, but we've been on this topic, and the thing is this commission was formed and when the police

had the permits and c.a.d. reports were pretty much used against clubs or whatever for whatever reason, and the commission was formed, for me, i'm against using any c.a.d. reports, so whether it's 65 or 100, i don't look at your case on the c.a.d. reports. and with c-mac and other night life advocates, we also were against c.a.d. reports making decisions on permits, and i think you were part of that meeting when the c.a.d. decision was formed. for me, i don't look at the c.a.d. reports, i just use it for information. i look at the operation, and i look at the video. i look at your security, head of security you have. i don't really care about the c.a.d. reports to a point, unless, of course, it leads to some kind of public safety issue. again, we're here to discover

that. now i think, ryan -- i've really got to leave a little earlier, but i'll just say if we can get the public or if anybody else have -- have anything, we've heard anything. regardless of how you feel about captain lozar, it has nothing to do with how you feel about him. it has everything to do with other people don't get injured. it's very evident people are getting beat up, whether it's happening at your place or down the street, things are happening, and it's our job as a commission to fix that, whether it's more conditions or maybe whittling it back to 12:00, which we hope we don't have to do. but it has to be solved because i really don't -- i mean, that's your other business, and it's really not commission business. and i don't think it for me has any bearing on what's happening at your venue.

i know broadway's a difficult street but there's other neighbors that have to do their business, and there's innocent people walking down the street. they just don't want to get in the middle of that, and if we can fix that, that's what we're here to do. >> can i just have ten seconds? >> yeah. >> my request for the conditions to 2:00 a.m. is, you know mainly for, you know, the weekday and the weekends, all of it, but what's really putting a strain on us is not being able to book our corporate events and our private events. and i would like to not even ask for 2:00 a.m. i would ask for 1:30. we're already closed any ways at 1:30, cleaning the crowd, getting the crowd out, as well.

>> so it sounds like sundays and thursdays, you're doing more corporate events or you'd like to do more that go into 1:30. >> it's not even necessarily that -- it's being able to tell a corporate event or a client that they can't have their event past 12:00, they're not going to work with me, or having a sunday event, salsa, teaching people dance lessons. >> these incidents we have are saturdays, and i wish we weren't in this position because if you had saturdays at 2:00, and it went well, then let's expand beyond saturdays. >> the two incidents in the past six months, we're talking about. >> yeah. it's the day we chose, it's these incidents happened, and

it's not a great look. >> but it's not about you, it's about the street. >> i understand that. sorry. i'm making my comment as a commissioner. this isn't a dialogue. >> sorry. >> what i'm trying to get at is like i said earlier, how can we resolve these issues. and so when i think about, is the problem really a saturday problem, and if you want corporate events on weekdays, let's let you do that, how can we sort of curb the issues that are happening on. if we put you on midnight and put an ipod, we didn't hear the same kind of fights breaking out between last summer and february , and i think that's -- >> well, a lot of fights that you guys heard about it did or did not happen. we're talking about a time span

of 2015 to 2017. >> i guess i'm referring to this particular march -- these two specific march incidents. i'm not talking about the history of hue and atmosphere. i guess what you're saying, though. so i don't have the conditions in mind yet. i do want to hear from the public because i know that there's people that have been waiting for a while. so why don't we just have you guys have a seat, and let's hear from the folks that are here tonight to speak on this. so if you are waiting to speak about hue, please come on up and just cue yourselves up to the microphone. you'll each have two minutes. thank you. sk good evening, commissioners. my name is dominick, and i'm here to give public comment on the hue issue. i've sat through many of these meetings, and i will say that

the portrait that bennett is painting of broadway is not a broadway that i personally know, and i have been working on broadway handling a variety of issues from encampment issues or nightclub issues for the last two years. i can say definitively, and i can say this with no -- nonchalantly, that hue is about 90% of the calls that i receive. it's pretty evident as we saw on the video that these problems do stem from hue, and the commission has brought up that in july 2017 when the original conditions were placed on hue, we had a quiet period until about february 2018. well, it seems like the conditions were working then. that would be my response to bennett; that he says that, you know, these fights are evident

of the street and the unruly place that broadway is. the stats just don't know that. you can query captain stats at central station, and the stats -- i've done this many times, and the stats do not know that there's -- preponderance of violence on broadway. i can tell you that hue is 90% of the issues that we have on the block. bennett will rebutt saying that no other venue on broadway has the capacity that he has, and he is correct in that, and he -- that is a valid point, but then perhaps that should be what -- the commission looks at is the capacity of hue. >> your time is up. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good evening. my name is francesca valdes.

i manage and operate fame venue and broadway studios with my partner, carl prescott. bennett and i share the same alley, but we do not share the same business ethics. like what our supervisor peskin said, we are all wasting our time, and his license should be revoked. for so many reasons, i was afraid of my life on the 18th. i was scared from the gun shots. i was afraid for my life.

i was the one with six cameras facing his entrance, and i face him today again to waste my time to plead to you not to give him back his license. thank you so much. >> thank you. is there anyone else here for public comment on hue? >> good evening. my name is kyle prescott. i am managing the other building plus two businesses, which has been voted in last four years one of the top -- not only in san francisco but in north america. last year october, we have been rated number three in north america, great venues. what those two gentlemen saying, they are b.s. they are lying, lying, lying. they are destroying business not only for themselves because are their actions, they're destroying our business, as well. they're blocking our entrances from our building. their security does absolutely nothing. when we opened the -- for the -- our building in 2001, then, we have the tenants down stairs, and i was sued because of -- there was stabbing inside. and when i had the opportunity to buy that business, i did it. i overpay -- i pay over price, but i did it.

now, do not, i pleas you, do not give you license back. they are liars, and they are going to lie all the time. thank you. >> all right. is there any additional public comment? if not, i will close public comment. all right. [ gavel ]. >> public comment's closed. commissioners, the question at hand is whether we want to recondition this permit. it is not a permit or license revocation hearing. there's separate steps to do that, and we don't have that in front of us. so just know and for the members of the public who think that we're voting on revoking this permit, that's not the case. what we're trying to determine if we want to add conditions or modify existing conditions or take some away. i think what they have asked is to have basically entertainment until 2:00 a.m. every day of the week. what it is now is to end at midnight on sundays through thursdays, at 1:00 a.m. on fridays and 2:00 a.m. on saturdays. so that's only one night that we allow it until 2:00. as i said, i wish we had different evidence in front of us because i want to allow you

all to have seven days a week of entertainment. i think we generally want to not have 25 different conditions on any of our permits because if you're running it properly and -- a running it well and safe -- safely, we're not going to see you here all the time. so that said, you know, i know that there's concerns about your treatment by sfpd and by the community, and whether that's fair or not is what we're trying to judge at this point. we kind of just have to use the evidence that we have in front of us. i know there were a couple conditions that people were -- that are on the table, like, having an i.d. scanner as a requirement, whether or not we change the hours; also, bennett himself said that they could patrol a larger radius around the night club, i know we can

set a certain number of feet. i know for things like cigarette butts and trash, we set 100 feet. do we also set another condition. i know there was a mention about a uniform of security, so we could have a discussion around how head of security or all security is dressed that goes beyond the federal standard that we may want from this particular establishment. so i'm just listing a few to sort of summarize. are there other ideas people might have -- and then, we can also potentially just continue this item if we feel like we don't have enough of a -- if we're not ready yet to recondition. so that's also an option. >> i don't see that we should continue it because -- >> they're here. >> well, yeah, i'm leaving, and so i wouldn't have the opportunity to take part.

i think we've got all the information. i don't know what else would be coming in from another part, but i -- you know, i would like to say i am concerned about the lack of calling police. so now, we're talking about there's only two incidents there's all there ever was, two incidents. well, police, if the shots fired call didn't go out for that one particular night, that wouldn't be recorded so there would only be one incident because calls to the police department didn't get made that night. i don't know if it happened other nights. and then, the same thing to go along with that, security officers were questioned regarding the shots fired, and they talked, and they -- they said what they saw. but they didn't talk about what led up to it, the patrons that had come out of their establishment got into a fight, which i don't know if that car was somehow related. i don't know if you look at it now, it's like hey, shots fired, everyone scattered,

fight was over. good or bad, i don't know. but that report wouldn't have been made. i believe that their -- mr. wi windsor talked about two different types of reports that come in at the end of the night, and i think we need to find out, differentiate between the two, somebody fell down and bumped their head versus some type of what could be criminal action. and at a minimum, the entertainment commission should be notified of it, but i also believe that the police department should be notified about it. and we do get the public coming here and a representative from the community business to come here every time this comes up in front much us. they waited almost three hours to talk for two minutes, so it's kind of important to them. and i agree with you, i would

love for these guys to be able to stay open seven days a week until 2:00 in the morning because that's ae what we're tall about. we're the entertainment commission, and we're all about getting getting entertainment in the city, but not at the risk of neighbors getting hurt and their peace being disturbed. so i would like to make a motion that the following conditions be put on their permit: hours of entertainment to stop every night at 12:00, all security to wear jackets, security to be put in place, all security reports to the entertainment commission and the police department, and all security goes through the leads training, which i think the a.b.c. does on a regular basis, so i don't think it's that hard to get them all trained. i think we need to pull the

reigns in on this, he needs to pull the reigns in on this business, and then hopefully when he realizes that we are serious, that he will make changes and he will work with the community, and he will get this ironed out so that he can come back to us and work seven days a week until 2:00 in the morning, so that's my motion. >> so you're moving to amend -- i didn't catchall that. >> i'm sorry. i'll repeat it. moving to amend the permit to house of entertainment to close every night at midnight, security will all wear security jackets, have an i.d. scanner, all security reports to the entertainment commission and police department, and all security to get leads training. >> all right. is there a second? >> i'll second that.

>> all right. there's a second. >> can i just make a suggestion to you just regarding the security jackets? i think you need to be a little bit more specific on that, just because the condition currently reads the exterior door security shall wear a uniform readily identifiable them as club security. i think you need to flush that out. >> a secure jacket with the word "security" written across the back in 4 inch letters -- excuse me, for 3 inch letters. >> for all security? >> for all security. >> yeah, let's discuss. so commissioner bleiman? >> so -- thank you. and i just want to say some of my thoughts, and then try to contribute here and try to mix our thoughts here. but i think there's kind of a philosophical question in the business about what you're responsible before or after

patrons leave your club, and i don't if it's actually been explicitly spelled out, so how -- you're certainly not responsible for what they do the next day. so when you dial it back, when is it responsible? and i think, you know, at one point, it's very clear that i think that clubs are responsible for the behavior of their patrons after they leave, and i think from the evidence that i saw on the video, this is one of those cases. and even given the fact that it did appear that hue's security was acting very professionally and actually probably handled themselves better than most securities would, these incidents still happened. it was irrefutable that these incidents occurred. the first one was incredibly traumatizing. i can't believe no one was seriously hurt.

i think it was almost a miracle that no one was killed. i don't know if you saw, somebody just randomly kicked a car that was driving by. so the question now is what can we do -- what conditions can we put on with our very limited tool box that we have here to make a difference? i actually -- i agree with commissioner frost on every level. the only thing that concerns me is i do think that limiting to 12:00 a.m. on friday and saturday is going to put hue out of business. i think that's actually going to happen, and i think it bears stating that whether or not we want that, that probably will be the result of it. and you know, i don't know for sure, but just knowing the business, you know, having to do that in perpetuity is not great for your bottom line. maybe that could be hue's problem as far as we are concerned because we have to

take measures to keep it safe. my one caveat would not be to increase their hours of operation, but to dial it back to 1:00 a.m. on friday and saturday, and midnight on sunday through thursday, and keeping it to what commissioner frost said if that's not p palatable to anyone. any way, that's my thought. >> okay. commissioners? it looks like commissioner lee might be formulating one. i want to say yeah, i think the issue of hours has been a little bit of an experiment to see how you do. you know, when we give you more -- more hours, and it's disappointing to see that even though, hey, it was just one

incident or two incidents, we want to see zero incidents. i know no night club is perfect, and you can't have control over a really aggravated patron. that may just be part of their personality, but when i think about it, i think how do you not even invite that person in to be there in the first place? i do think it is a little drastic to dial it you will athe way back to midnight again, so i do support with what commissioner bleiman says, and that's how i'd like to see this move, but we can discuss that more. >> what's on the table? is it 1:00 a.m.? >> the motion is for midnight every day, but the comment is at it might put him out of business. >> do we have to take a vote on the midnight? >> unless the originator of the motion changes that motion and

it is seconded. >> or somebody makes a friendly amendment. >> if it's friendly, then, the original motioner needs to say that it's friendly. >> i'd be willing to take this -- a friendly amendment because i'll acquiesce to his -- the commissioner's expertise in this in putting him out of business, and i do not want to do that, but -- so i will, with the permission of the second, move to close friday and saturday night, meaning saturday and sunday morning, at 1:00 a.m. >> i'll agree with that. >> okay. so the motion has changed, and the seconder's agreed. >> could i add one friendly? >> sure, yeah. >> i want the security increased in the front at closing, 30 minutes before closing of doors -- i