>> supervisors? >> supervisor yee: thank you very you have heard a lot of the story today. so i will keep it short. as i mentioned, and there were 13,000 chinese-americans that served in all the branches of the military during world war ii. and one of the things that most people didn't know, is 40% of them were chinese-americans that were not native born and not able to fully naturalize until after the war because of the chinese exclusion act that was still in effect during that ti time. the bills that i am talking about our hr 2358 introduced by ed brice and cosponsored by our own representative, jackie

spear. and the senate bill 1050 was introduced by senator tommy duckworth last may. it has been sitting in committee, respective committees, we really want to urge them tove this on because so many of our benefits are disappearing from -- veterans are disappearing from world war ii and the three that came today earlier are all in their nineties and i am fortunate they were able to come. again, this is to urge congress to actually honor our veterans, our chinese-americans with the congressional gold medal. so i want to thank congresswoman jackie. >> supervisor fewer: for not only sending her staff to press conference but sending our letter. she said that we have been in

contact with her office. if it doesn't move forward this year, it will take this legislation and be the primary sponsor next time. hopefully there will be a next time. i want to thank my colleagues who on the board for cosponsoring. i hope i have your support. >> thank you. supervisor pesn? >> supervisor peskin: thank you madam president. i would be honoured to be listed as a cosponsor, and second, my neighbor -- neighbors asked that i invoked the name of eddie fung who was her neighbor for over 30 years when she lived on lombard dtreet before she got evicted. eas known byerth name -- neighbor of hers from waverly place in chinatown as the only

kid in school who wore red cowboy boots and continue to be a beloved character in the neighborhood. he is featured in a documentary that captures the experience of world war ii veterans called "the war, then and w." which our own chronicle reporter had this to say about in 2,007. he was born and raised in san francisco's chinatown and was captured by the japanese and worked as a slave labourer on the burma and thailand death railway. the experience taught him what it was to be a man and what it was to be proud to be chinese. he had the distinction of being the only chinese american soldier to be captured by the japanese during the -- during world war ii. he was put to work on that railroad project where over 12,000 pows and 70,000 agent -- asian lives were lost. he lived to tell how his background helped them enjoy it 42 months of humiliation and

cruelty and how his experience as a sole chinese-american member of the most decorated techs and unitive any shaped his later life. thank you teresa for teaching me and allowing me to teach everyone about his life and involvement as a proud chinese-american soldier in world war. >> thank you supervisor peskin. supervisor kim? >> supervisor kim: thank you. i want to acknowledge supervisor yee for his leadership. last ar i had the honor of participating and graduating our filipino world war ii veterans when they received their congressional gold medal. it was touching and moving to see our senior veterans finally honoured for their valour anderr heroism being denied by our history books. i just want to thank the

supervisors for bringing in one of the final steps of this recognition, which is acknowledging our chinese-americaor ii veterans. i did not know, until this resolution came before us that chinese-americans have fought in every american war since the civil war. thesetsof our history that we often don't get to learn about and yet, these chinese and chinese americans fought in a war for a country that denied them citizenship, that denied their ability to immigrate the rest of their family to this country despite the work that they had done. they were denied the ability to own the land in the state of california. they were denied so many different rites and values and principles that we take for granted today. on this board, despite being an asian-american, i have learned so much about the contributions of chinese and asian americans ou country.ory of our city and and even just over the last few months, supervisor norman he has

brought to life some of the shameful aspects of the san francisco history. whether it is around the renaming of a playground or the renaming of james phelan way, it is incredibly important for us to acknowledge not just the communities that are here, but the long-term contributions that i'll -- all of our communities have made, antiracism, hatred and terror that they endured under this city's leadership. the past three resolutions that supervisor norman yee, has been an incredibly important step forward in educating our community, and also remembering our history. which it is so important to do. not taking for granted how far we have been together. i'm happyo supporthi and happy to be a sponand i strongly urged the u.s. congress to move this judiciously and pass the bill to grant the congressional gold medal to

these veterans. thank you. >> supervisor breed: thank you supervisor kim. supervisor ronan? bhi too would beured no to be a cosponsor. i want to thank supervisor yee for bringing this forward and educa us a thi incredibly important history of our country, and also if you could send a personal thank you to your father on my behalf, i would be very grateful. thank you. >> supervisor breed: thank you. supervisor safai we. >> supervisor safai: i know this is very emotional for you and i appreciate your leadership on this and honoring people who have given their service and their time. my grandfather was a world war ii veteran and he was so important in my rearing and an

important part of my life. it's really important that everyone that was involved in contributing to the greatness of this country, and the sacrifices that they made art honored. >> supervisor breed: thank you. >> supervisor sheehy: i would like to be added as onsor as well. >>supervisor breed: thank you. supervis stefani. >> supervisor stefani: i would also like to be added as a cosponsor. >> supervisor breed: thank you for your leip, and thank you for honouring those amazing veterans who are here in the chamber today. my grandfather served in the army as well, and i am just grateful for the service of many of the folks in our military, and they should all be

recognized and not forgotten. we truly appreciate your tribute here today and add toe as a cosponsor as well. with that, i see no other names on the roster. colleagues, can we take this item, same house, same form? without objection, the resolution is adopted anonymously. -- unanimously. >> today's meeting will be adjourned in memory of the following individuals. on behalf of supervisor peskin for the late mr lau. on behalf of supervisor fewer, missed washboard. >> supervisor breed: madam clerk, is there any further business before us today? >> that concludes our business for today. >> supervisor breed: congratulations to the warriors and although we couldn't be there at the parade, we are there in spirit.

go warriors. looking forward to a great season again. with that, colleagues, we are adjourned. [♪]

>> good afternoon, everyone. welcomto the san francisco p.u.c. commission meeting here, tuesday, june 12, 2018. before we get started i just want to congratulate the warriors on their championship.

madame secretary, the roll, please. [roll call] >> commissioner kane is exaccused today and we have a quorum. >> thank you. item number 12, i just want to announce, is being pulled from the agenda and it will be rescheduled to the june 26 meeting. so, item number 12 will be pulled. 'eel approve the minutes of may 22, 2018. commissioners, is there any discussion before we go to public comment? >> move approval. >> second. >> before we do the vote, is e any public comment on the minutes from may 22? seeing none, all in favor -- >> aye. >> opposed? >> all right. approved. now is the time for general public comment, item number four. i have two speaker cards here. first is mr. francisco decosta. welcome.

>> commissioners, i don't come here too often. i prefer to watch your deliberations at home on the tv. but when i want to make a point, and look at you alin the eye and i to come over here d mostly because it is very pertinent. so, for the last nine months, i've be endoing my own investigation on community benefits. and your commissioners have no clue that when the task force was created and i attended all of my meetings -- and if i'm not mistaken, i haven't seen one of y'all attend a task force, y'all were here when the commendations and all were given. but you didn't attend a task force. meetings linked to the sewer system improvement project.

so you all know that a community is suffering. and you all are aware directly and indirectly that many r infanzes, our children, our h,nior and thse with compromised health have ome b nmissu. you all have the experts who can give you the reports. but i think it is pathetic -- and i repeat pathetic -- that when you set aside community benefits, the community that has been adversely impacted is not helped. and i've gone through all the grants, over 40,000 pages, the emers thonres project, that project and the other. 35s, public accountant,

another friend who specializes in compliance, a couple of attorneys who are doing pro bono work for me. when i worked for the army, i was a congressional liaison. i understand how to connect the dots with law enforcement. so, i'm telling you commissioners very, very frankly, i'm disgusted. because i know how many of our children have died. our seniors have died. and we think it's a game. it says community benefits. so who in the community is giving out this grants. and why don't we have a hearing? an official hearing if you think they're so sacrosanct and

see who's doling out the money and how it is being doled. >> i'd like to make a comment. francisco, thank you very much. first of all, we can't attend meetings that we're not aware of. so, i would just like -- >> [inaudible]. >> no. no. i'm making a request. >> [inaudible]. i'm just making a request of staff -- >> [inaudible] is sacrosanct unless there is a very important question to ask. now if the commissioner says whatever he says in good faith and is mgood friend, then i have to be given an opportunity to reply. >> but you have to let me finish. my point is -- >> again -- >> let's hold off for a second. >> you have to ask me a question. >> commissioner, you are making a statement. >> i'm making a request of staff. because it was alleged -- well,

it's true. it's a fact. i haven't attended any meetings about community benefits, the task force you referred to. that's why i said my inquiry. i can't attend a meeting that i don't know that exists. so all i'm asking for is notification of those meetings. that is my ask of staff. cool? ok. that's all i wanted. >> thank you. we have a second speaker card for item four. >> good afternoon, commissioners. president kwan. i wanted to call something to your mind. over two years ago, the commission adopted changes to the wise at that time, bosca asked for an accounting of the financing

costs and in a letter to you, that may, your staff committed to performing such an accounting and prior to any future budget adjustments for wisep to make that available. this april, you again adopted changes to the wisep, including budget adjustments and in our comments, we again asked for such an accounting by may 1. sething that would provide documentation of assumption and financing costs and the resulting financial impact on throgram the commission asked if we could make it june 1 and i agreed. unfortunately that report is not yet prepared. i did get a call from your staff letting me know that it wasn't ready yet. and i understand that but this report remains critically important and i want to make sure it stayson your radar and on my radar so that it is completed and it provides us an opportunity to look at those costs so thank you. >> thank you.

>> and i would like if possible when the report is ready, and hopefully that will be soon to come to the commission because woulbe good for us to understand that financial accounting as well. >> yeah, not a problem. when we got the nal product, we wanted to take a little more time to make sure everything was, you know, we felt good about it. and so we wanted extra time to do what we needed to do to make sure it was high quality deliverable and so 've asked to let him know that it is going to take a little longer. what we'll do is we'll give a date. certain to both you and the commission -- to nicole and the commission and then we'll prove that as part of the package to you. >> we have a sense of when that date certain will be?

>> in the next couple of months. >> ok. thank you. >> sure. >> ok. do we have any other public comment, general public comment? ok. next item five. communications. any discussion in any public comments onem >> oh, i'm sorry. on item five, i didn't see the water supply conditions update. in my package. and i'm wondering if i could be given a copy of that. thank you. you. >> ok. is there any other commission business? ok. now we have item seven report

of the general manager. >> good afternoon, commissioners. the first item is clean power update. assistant general manager barbara hale. >> good afternoon, commissioners. barbara hale. odwers update will cover servi to customer, enrollment and regulatory activities. under item 17 on today's agenda, we'll be asking you to approve contracts for resource adequacy products executed by the general manager. we might have a chance to talk more then. with respect to service to custom're cong to serve about 81,000 customers. our opt-out percentage is 3.2%. so we're retaining 96.8% of the customers that sign up or are auto-enrolled into the program. the super green upgrade rate continues to exceed the opt-out rate at 4.2% of our customers. that is over 4,000 businesses and households in san francisco

receiving 100% renewable electricity from us. good for them and good for us. everything is moving along quite successfully. with respect to enrollment, we have auto enrollment under way for july 1. we're mailing our enrollment notices. that enrollment will increase our customer count to about 105,000. mostly commercial, but also residential customers. 132 customers so far have opted out. 108 customers so far have opted up to super green. so we'll be reporting on how this new enrollment is going throughout the period, two months before and two months after the cut out date when customers are getting u.s. mail about the program enrollment. we also have a comprehensive campaign out on the streets. making sure the folks are aware of our activities on the clean

power s.f. front and the opportunity it presents for them. with respect to regulatory activities, i wanted to touch on the pcia case and talk about the customer choice report that the p.c.u. issue. pcia hearings concluded and working with the city attorney and cal c.c.a., we filed briefs. we expect a proposed decision from the administrative law judge this summer on the pcia case. as i reported earlier, the cpuc published a report on customer choice. it raises questions about how ion boate will achieve its and reliability objectives with thincreased customer choice that is occurring in the electric market, both because of community choice aggregators and because of customers choosing to install solar on their homes or adding storage.

it raises fears that customers making those choices will compromise the goals of decarbonization reliability and affdability and it says there is o plan to mitigating the fears that outcomes -- the feared outcomes it raises. it of o solutions and flags the need for, in their view, unspecified regulatory and legislative khaifjt as you know, c.c.a.s are contributing to these three objectives. c.c.a.s must and do comply with state law, regarding resource adequacy. and that takes care of some of the reliability concerns that are being raised. c.c.a.s are supporting the construction of billions of dollars of renewable energy projects and it's at a pace that's faster than required by current state law to meet the decarbonization objectives.

for example, clean power s.f. just -- you know, our program has assigned 847 megawatts wit contracts with solar and wind facilities here in california to serve our customers and c.c.a. rates ow than i.o.u. rates and the bottom line bills to customers are comparable. the cpuc has set a deadline for comments of june 11. that was yesterday. we commented on our own and also together with cal c.c.a. they have scheduled a ative-style hearing for june 22 at the california public utilities commission on the report. we will attend and report back. we're expecting to be included on the agenda as speakers.

so with that, i'm happy to take any questions you may have. thank you. >> thank you. commissioners, anything? ok. next item, please. oh, i'm sorry. any public comment on that item? none? ok. next item, plea. >> the next item is sewer system improvement program quarterly update. karen cubic. >> good afternoon, president kwan. remembers of the commission. karen cube uk, director of the waste water program. if you can bring up the slides, please. great. two brief reports today. the first on the ssip and second report on the waste water capital. so, this is our usual chart. these are 70 projects in phase

one and the status of those projects, these projects represent the $2.9 billion that have been authorized. we're currently at 22.6% complete with expenditures of $582 million. and we're starting to see the green portion, the construction portion of this pie chart expand because headworks is now in construction. we have 20 projects that are currently in construction as they're shown on this chart. just to hit with some key milestones for the summer. on may 8, the commission awarded the contract for construction management staff augmentation. that is going to go to the board the end of this month. the teams working on the 95% design and we're looking at early packages that can get on the streets so that we can get bids going for things like

sewer replacementment, demo and utility work. the 95% package will be by the -- complete by the end of november. we did have -- as part of our environmental review, have to have some mitigation, which involves filming the existing central shops to document the historical significance of those facilities. next, headworks, which is really one of our more complex projects because it is nestled right where the existing headworks is now. scope one is in construction. and that is the site prep. it's really rerouting a lot of the ws sothat we can be operating during wet weather and dry weather. we have the design completed now for the pump station improvements and sole-source approvals came to the commission and were approved for the grit removal and washing. lastly, we'll be preparing the 95% for the main headworks and that is the last part that

would be complete this fall. and next is a quick check-in on our labor numbers. on our prime contracts, we're close to 435,000 hours that have been worked by 1400 workers. so we have 32% in terms of local hire for san francisco residents. 32% equates to residents' earning a combined $9.1 million in wages and benefits and this is from our workforce and labor group. our outreach efforts are continuing and we're shifting from program to projects. it shows our cumulative numbers to date. we had 18 media mentions. some of it was the griffith yard opening. our communications staff have been out attending meetings, manning the tables, all those summr street festivals that are going on from the mission to surf riders, palace of fine arts.

educating the public. and when they're not t at meetings and presenting, they are manning the construction hub at the southeast community facility so that neighbors can come by and hear what's happening and hear when the construction is starting. now i'd like to spend a minute and go to triplele bottom line because there was interest in discussion, i guess that was the end of last month. so i thought i'd do a quick high-level update to the commission on our triple bottom line and how we're using in the ssip. so ourselves as well as other utilities have been interested in trimle bottom line. but i think the p.u.c. took a bigger step because we're very interest in customizing our tr om line where we would look at projects and alternatives from a social standpoint and environmental standpoint and a financial standpoint and making the values of san francisco, our legislator, our state policies

be reflected within triple bottom line. and here's some of the outputs that came out of that process. these are some of the values. we assembled work groups that were made up of city staff as well as p.u.c., bureau of environmental management, the folks that do our ceqa analysis, rec park, all kinds of factors that were playing in. we also took a look at our mayor's objectives that have been put into place and we established our a.a.a. bottom line. and areas were developed in areas of financial. these are shown here. and how we use these is actually in a pie chart. and when we're at the point of a project where we're comparing different alternatives that meet our level of service and will perform and are constructable, we compare alternatives. and i'll give you some examples.

and while we're looking at pie chart, welooking for a higher impact, higher level of positive, which is darker blue, positive is the lighter blue. neutralle if there is really no change from what's there now. negatives when comparing alternatives, one being worse. and then red being significantly negative. so, what we're doing is when we're coming up with alternatives for the different projects in the ssip, we're pausing, comparing those alternatives and then running it through this analysis. one quick example is one of our green infrastructure projects and this is -- this has been extremely helpful with green because there are so many factors kit hit within that pie chart that i showed you. sometimes it's a little less exciting with the treatment

plant projects but when looking that the particular project, we looked at three different areas to build a green infrastructure. one was along lake merced thother was hallway and last was brotherhood way. and we looked at several different design options. and just very briefly what we found, you can take a look at the alternatives there was that hallway was the superior alternatives. in this case, it had to do with cost, it had to do with the establishment of bicycle lanes, pedestrian improve. -- improvements and trees. they with respect neutral in terms of both met our performance octoberives and we used it to inform the process. now in some cases, i'll get into one that's a treatment plant project and you'll see that there is not as pronounced

a difference. this is whats the hallway ended up looking like and several of you went to that opening. now we have one for headworks project. this is a great project. our alternatives are all adjacent. one was a site used for metal storage and wrecking, cal train site which is just across evans street. and this is profound and a little -- you know, we get to the grade point where we have neutrality. we don't see as much blue on the chart. the things that were good were

good consistently across the board. but what different yaited the alternative that we went with, which is keeping our headworks in the same location was preventing more facilities from spreading further from the plant, keeping the plant gether and adding a small amount of habitat. things like climate, energy use, some of those things. they were the reasons we have negative on cal trans us there was a higher energy use, habitat did not score as well on those additionally. and this is a shot of what the new headworks facility is going to look like. now along the way, we've been doing this on every single p project except for a few. thishows you the chart of the 70 projects when the analyses were done and we can certainly

come back or provide additional support, as needed, to provide more information on this. but the reason some of the analyses weren't done were when we're doing rdeparental projects. those are projects that are led by other departments and we ar basically replacing a sewer line along with that. maybe doing some green infrastructure. maybe doing a water line replacement, too. if we're doing some things like improvement to an existing structure, it does not have a new foot print. we're really going to see less going on than we did between the headworks analyses. if it's a study. we're not doing a triple bottom line or if it's a renewal and replacement. we're replacing a sewer, replacing something that is a control system. improving electrical system. but this gives you an idea of the 70 projects and one thing that seems to be covered with the text is that four are still remaining to go through the

triple bottom line. we get a lot of requests from other agencies because we went so far on thelopevnt. when our project managers e e system, they're actually going into an excel-based format. so, they -- one worry was we didn't want project managers to influence because, you know, hey might [inaudible] one alternative to another. and contacted through this excel format and the excel data is based on qualifiers and metrics and objectives that our commission and that others hve. everything is found in its executive summary. we ended up getting so many requests for more information about this that we wanted it be ailable and readily available. so that's what this link is if you do want to drill down more into the triple bottom line.

some of the next steps on triple both line because there was a briefing held with commissioners are to start talking about this a little bit more. have a presentation with spur. continue to include the data and our quarterly reports. we do conduct project management training and project engineer training so that our staff knows how to use this and those criteria and procedures are updated periodically because we do need to revisit them occasionally as things change. also we'll be integrating this into our communications materials. so with that, a little thank you to all of you. and if i can conclude this one report, i'll go to the next one and then explain my slide. we might have to look at that again. because that was fun.

so i'll conclude the first ssip report if there is any questions? >> commissioners, anything? >> on th bottom line, i appreciate the presentation. and also the inclusion of those analyses ar report as they come forward. when you talk about enclosing i in the communications materials, what does that consistent of. >> i think it is really explaining that there are -- sometimes i think it is probably confusing for members of the public and all ofthese objectives and policies that are laid out, you know, by the city. gsuse roofs for greening or for solar. reduction of energy use. gs inke safety, how do we coordinate? how do we all work together? and i think this is a great way to demonstrate how we really do work together with other departments. so, talking about how we

consider social issues, jobs, the planet. as part of our regular day-to-day business, when we're, you kn, improving the waste water system. i don't think it may readily come to mind that we havall of these underlying factors that go into infrastructure. some people, not us, some people think infrastructure is boring. but they may not realize we have all of these thing going at the same time. when we explain the thinking that goes into our projects, they're just boggled. but we'll put it in a light way, a friendly way. that can show all of these other layers that are involved in our ssip projects. >> the reason i ask that is the first and most obvious use of the triple bottom line is to help us make decisions. and make sure that those decisions are multifaceted and as complex as the issues are.

and i think that the format demonstrates that and is also -- it forces you to ask, i think, the right questions. it's not formulaic. nowhere in there did you add up points and say that the project with x number of points will be the winner. but it does force a discussion and i think -- and we've seen these come forward and there's usually a discussion attached that basically says this is the preferred one and here's the reasons why and that discussion is consistent on and elaborates on the pie charts that you have. the other real benefit of it is, as documentation, after the fact. it's a transparency mechanism and i think it really does put out, as you said, the complexity of the decisions that we're making and the efforts that we're making institutionally to make sure that our decisions are not financially correct and protective of our rate payers but dealing with environmental

issues. and i think being able to demonstrate that after the fact is also important. so, having -- i guess a question for you. do we have these in any compiled form, you know, it says that for the clean water program here, a significant and deciding decisions that we've had to make and here's the way that we made them? > i think when we began, we were doing almost a white paper on each and now it's a formula where the output spits out and where there are differences, those translate to a slice of that pie and then it basically is an output. but i know we have begun assembling those and making sure on our document control site that every project manager is storing this so at thit's part of the archives for each project. >> i think thatexplanation is importants as well. the decisions are not just a matter of something scores but a matter of judgment applied to

those scores and i've been -- one of the things that some critics could be concerned about triple bottom line that it ends up selecting the grossly overpriced project. that is not the case. the ones i've seen anyway turns very often the best project from social environmental standpoints are also cost effective and i think that is an important piece of information to have out there. so i would encourage, as we develop a history of developing the projects and making decisions on projects that we also document what went into those decisions and part of how we continue for the people who pay them for this work. >> prefer each alternative to talk about the pros and kons of each one. you run it through the triple bottom line and then we'll

recommend one of the options and say why it compared to each other. what are the factors that led us to recommend this alternative. is that what you're looking for? >> yeah. it's tempting to go through and count the pinks and reds and blues and stuff and try to figure out, ok, just visually which one is best. and that gets you almost there. in most of the cases. but a lot of times there will be some subtle issues that aren't there from that. there are factors in addition to that that are important, too. it's important to explain that. that it's not, you know, that we ignore the obvious. it's that the obvious led us part way and few other things led us the of the way and that is just as important to document as we go forward. >> thank you for the presentation.

i wanted to just echo that and see if there is a way, because i think it is one thing for the project manager to check the box and archive it. but i think it would be interesting to find a way from a communications perspective to distill it to the extent that commissioner moran and i think general manager are saying. to something that is a little more understandable and take it a step further so it can be somewhat of a public document on the website even. i haven't looked at the assessment that you provided or even what it says. but even as we get really hopefully more rigorous about using t.b.l. and making decisions, to be able to say to the public that we do go through this process where we do analyze not just from a cost perspective, but also a social and environmental perspective the value of this project and not only does it help us with decision-making, but it helps us stay true to our mission of protect environment and community and find the best price for our

rate payers. which is really the intent of using that tool. so how can we then market it, publicize it, communicate it in a very simple way. you know, t.b.l. itself is a wonky term and concept but i would just ask that our communications team take crack at like, you know, taking it to this point and really making much more of a public communications document. >> so what i would recommend is that, first of all, we make it part of the process of evaluating projects and we'll give the format of each one, you have to plain the pros and cons so we have that document. because i want to make it part of a process of giving your project delivered and not check a box. what we can do is just pull those reports out of each one of the projects if u want to showcase that or showcase the

calculations, i just want to have it -- i want to identify it as a tool that we have and we use it on all the projects that, you know, and if it is a project that you don't use it, you explain why you're not using it on the promise. it's required on every project. you just have to say well this doesn't -- you know, you get an exemption or whatever it is because it's a study. so i think that is probably the best way to move forward. so maybe what we can do is present a format so that you guys can see ifit meets and be able to elevate what we're doing. i think the t.b.l., the process we were doing great and i think we should showcase it. >> yeah. and sorry, one other question on the t.b.l. and it is part of the evolution of this kind of work which i think is very dynamic and i already think we're in a leadership position of doing.

which is almost like, you know, looking at monetizing and valuing additional benefits that are not purely financial, if you will. and i don't know if that's really been done. if we look at something like public safety, for example. there's actually a cost to that. right? and so it's this question and we were talking a little bit about it around the green infrastructure space. you know, how to really, you know, quantify omnancial perspective some of the nonfinancial benefits. whether it is the social benefits or environmentletal benefits. just as something in the t.b.l. model and i don'know if this goes back to the people who designed it or what have you. but as an additional evolution because that starts to shift it a little bit, too, when you factor in some of the financial costs of the nonfinancial components of the triple bottom line. right? the environmental and social benefits. so kiemds of want to plant that seed because i feel like that's

industry and what we're looking at and it speaks to a lot of people and could have implications, positive implications from a commationsperspective to our rate payers. be able to say, look, we're really analyzing this and seeing additional financial savingsand benefit to you in this environmental and social space and it is why we selected this project. does that make ?ens i'm not sure there is a direct request in there. >> i do understand what you're requesting. i know some software attempts to do that. i think one of the things that we wanted to be careful was putting a value on other -- because what you're asking for that once we monitorize the other, we can determine what is the best solution, the computer n calculate and recommend.

>> some of it might be easier. >> i understand. it's hard when you have some that has and some not. but i think you pointed uts to some software that is actually trying to do it. and we talked about it with the -- actually, this model is really detailed and specific to san francisco and we spent a lot of resources of making it that way. we'll look to other software and sort of move in that direction because it kind of helps get the subjectivety out of it. >> and i think we'd have to definitely think about it. one thing i didn't go into are all the underlying metrics that are in here. the e.g.a. areas where we've had bike accidents or there's pedestrian fatalities. so many layers that i'm not sure there is a direct match. so i think we have a lot to think about that. >> i think it is the next

evolution of this work. i appreciate where we are and i think there is good work ahead. thank you. >> before public comment, i want to say this work is really great on the public side, too, because your work is givesen equitable access to information and also the process. some people are overwhmed by all the factors that go into mer s and analysis and i feel likey somew quantify this. so you've done great work there. before you sit, i want to ask is there any public comment on this item here? all right. >> [inaudible] and it's called k-i-s-s. keep it simple, stupid. so in the 02we had a bond merger to address both the water system and the sewer system. this commission, after the people voted to have both to be

addressed, let the community down. the focus on the water system improvement project and only very recently raised the sewer system improvement project. now of all the factors at rest over there, you can review your presentation. no mention is made of health. now when the experts gather together for this t.b.l., chronologically, they have to be educated on issues. some of you and that's the expertise that comes into water treatment plants, sewer plants, how does it benefit the community at large?

now if you look at your own promise, pretary in some norwegian or swedish company when we had the same type of expertise here in the united states of america, and if you look at it in any timeline, it hasn't met its goals. how does that factor into your t.b.l.? now if you go by the treatment plant, there's no much improvement in the stench. and the environment, how does that factor into your t.b.l.? can you put a price on the health of a child that dies? how does that factor the t.b.l.? t. b.l. is good for engineers and some philosophers, some

people who like to dip into the muddy waters and then filter it somehow. that's fine. but when dealing with this kind of infrastructure, and this comes from my experience with the maintenance, technical and support group and real estate and property management group, you have always to have in mind quality of life issues that improve human beings. thank you very much. >> all right. thank you. any other public comment on this item? i think you had a couple of comments. the second item is the waste water capital program report. and we did go through our hearing i believe a couple of meetings ago to do our updates. at this time, we do not have

any deviation. if we can bring up the slides, please. pull up the slide. so this is my last commiss meeting. this is my last of the day of physically be well,t the p.u.c. and it's been an absolute pleasure being part of this. longer than i thought i would hfp-it has been nine years of doing this so it's been wonderful to see all the progress and wonderful people we have on board and it's been an honor working with all of you and having your support. i was lucky enough to work on a few other capital programs, too. the power, water, wesip and this was sort of the whipped cream and cherry on top of the entire fun because the waste water system is just a wonderful system, lots of great

people in waste water enterprise. so it is time for me to head out to france and portugal. so i will check in with everyone at the end of t summer. >> i would like to say, you know, this is, as you know, karen's last report to the commission and karen and i go way back. i won't say how way back we go. but we are at the d.p.w. and, you know, she worked on a lot of amazing promises and she was working on the clean water program back in those days and there was a point in time in 1996 where she decided to follow the p.u.c. and andy was part of that whole effort of separating er from d.p.w. where her home was and where i was at.