deploy. >> commissioner veronese: okay. and so we're asking ourselves, we're reflecting on our past policies and saying, you know, is ten days appropriate, do we have the right equipment these days, so the types of fires that we're quiting, are we finding that we're having the right type of equipment and equipment support on the equipment side? >> i would say on the part of ten days deployment, we're actually on the lower side that most departments do. most departments do 21 days. we do ten days because that's the minimum requirement of o.e.s., on or about ten days. depends on how the incident's going. we feel that's safe for our firefighter's exposure. obviously, it's not a good exposure, because you're always in smoke, and sleeping in smoke and stuff, but it's better than wh be --

commissioner veronese, we will be discussing housing as it relates to the fire department. so it should be a -- a very, you know, thoughtful and hopefully creative discussion. >> commissioner veronese: productive. >> commissioner covington: yes, definitely productive. thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. vice president nakajo had a

final question? >> commissioner nakajo: yes. chief hayes-white, i remember what i wanted to ask. i made mention in terms of promises kept, i'd be curious to know how long we've been doing the recruitment of station 49 and in terms of total numbers of successful graduations that came from 49. i would be interested in perhaps chief sato might be able to help with that as well or whatever research can be occurred. it just would probably be a pretty good healthy number. >> commissioner hayes-white: yes, we can definitely get that number for you. >> commissioner nakajo: yes. and i would think with the commission, not only the numbers supporting it, but we can do actuals. so thank you, mr. president. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. chief, i did have a couple of questions. first off, i did want to

congratulate the 124th class for that video. it was terrific, and i would urge every class to put together a similar video of their experiences. i think it really is a bonding experience, and it gives the families and relatives and friends and everybody that's at the graduation a really good idea of what they went through, so i commend them on putting that together. on the 125th class, i know you said you're going to refresh the list. does that impact the current list, so when new people -- new scores come on, i guess it bumps people down potentially, correct? >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. the -- well, potentially. the list, it doesn't move someone's rank. >>commissioner cleaveland: right. >> commissioner hayes-white: so it potentially could expand, but someone's ranking does not change. it can be added to, and the -- the person is on the list for a two-year period of time. >>commissioner cleaveland: so the ranking doesn't change, which means that if you have

equal scores, the rank is equal? >> commissioner hayes-white: yes. >>commissioner cleaveland: ah, good. entry level e.m.t.'s, 24 to be hired. when was that date? >> commissioner hayes-white: late october, early november . it's about a six-week class. >>commissioner cleaveland: okay. thank you. of the k9 unit that's being sent to hawaii as we speak, what are they responding to? what are we assisting in? >> commissioner hayes-white: they're anticipating a level five hurricane, hurricane lane, so for search and rescue. >>commissioner cleaveland: got it. thank you. the labor management meeting that you held, i guess, yesterday or day before yesterday that you do on a monthly basis, is there anything that you can publicly talk about that resulted from those -- that meeting? >> commissioner hayes-white: sure. so we meet monthly, and there's a -- we -- local 798 proposes the agenda. it's been like that for years.

there's typically anywhere from 12 to 15 items. some of the items are repeating if they're not quite resolved. some of them are repeating because it's -- they want an update on -- so the response times for the previous month, how we're doing in terms of response times, how many openings we have, how many promotions. we've committed and we've done a pretty good job if there is an opening, within a short period of time, we're going to be promotoring. we recently had an h-4 inspector examination. there is a list that came out -- it will come out -- the eligibility list will come out and be adopted in the seven day period, so we're nearing that. those are just some examples. they want to know when the -- you know, how we're doing on our tools and equipment. so we've ordered and are expecting six engines to come

in, and we've ordered six aerial trucks. >>commissioner cleaveland: who typically meets in these meetings? >> commissioner hayes-white: good question. it's always myself and the chief deputies. there was a couple of financial-related matters. usually, we can handle them, but i had mark corso come in and join us. there's usually three or four of us, and it's the executive board of locate of 798. so yesterday, president o'conor, shawn buford, adam -- >>commissioner cleaveland: executive board members, how many? >> commissioner hayes-white: seven or eight, so there's usually -- >>commissioner cleaveland: it's closed session. >> commissioner hayes-white: so one month at local 798 headquarters and one month at our headquarters. they're generally, generally pretty productive. >>commissioner cleaveland: not something commissioners would

attend. >> commissioner hayes-white: you're more than welcome. i have no issue with it. i think that would be something i'm more than open to, and i think local 798 would just have the courtesy of requesting, but i think it's a great idea. >>commissioner cleaveland: single point of contact you mentioned for the sfmta, public works, so we have a single point of contact for that agency? >> commissioner hayes-white: it's not public works. it would be more mayor's office sort of office of workforce development, oewd, and then, the housing person working with ken rich, kate hartly, but certainly, d.p.w.'s at the table, as well. >>commissioner cleaveland: so could we get a single point of contact for the public works department? >> commissioner hayes-white: basically, our single point of contact, you're looking at chief anthony rivera, and he has a staff, as well, in captain steve mcpartland, captain james reedy.

otto sarkisian is our engineer, and we'd cliek to clone him because he gets work done quickly. i would say our single point of contact is deputy chief rivera. >>commissioner cleaveland: the 9-11 ceremony, has that been fleshed out in terms of details, where and what time and all that good stuff? >> commissioner hayes-white: so on 9-11, typically what we have done, at least since 2004, every station has a similar ceremony where the -- that we have a commemoration of what occurred in 2001, the world trade center, in shanksville, pennsylvania, and then, at the pentagon, and all the names are read. any member of the public or commission are welcome to participate at any station. typically, i will pick a station to participate. it's been station 15, station

19, station 7, station 4. a lot of times, if there's a class in session, which there will not be this time, we do it at station 7. so more to follow on that, but we'll put a general order out, and it goes through exactly sort of what the program is for the day. >>commissioner cleaveland: so you've not picked a station yet? >> commissioner hayes-white: i have not. and sometimes we'll get requests by the mayor's office. >>commissioner cleaveland: so what time? >> commissioner hayes-white: it's generally early in the morning. usually 6:30, 6:45, but that's part of the general order, and we will coordinate with the mayor's office if mayor breed is interested in participating at any side. >>commissioner cleaveland: i think it's important to invite the mayor. okay. thank you so much. thank you for your report. chief nicholson, come on up, or as they say on tv, come on down. >> greetings again,

commissioners, chief, sister maureen. deputy chief administration jeanine nicholson. i'm going to try to wow you tonight with some numbers and statistics here, but first, let me tell you that video was produced by paramedic captain ben sossan, so he is a whiz with that stuff. >> commissioner hardeman: can you spell the last name, chief? >> sosin, s-o-s-i-n. so again, congratulations, chief, on that prestigious award that you got. i wish they had put a little hair or something on that statue. i'll begin with my administrative position. 46 return to work evaluations. i.s.b., investigative services

bureau did 86 drug and alcohol tests, all negative. the assignment office just completed an analysis of e.m.s. call demand in case we need to switch some schedules, switch our resources around, and they'll be conducting a station 49 vacancy bid. we're also going to be implementing our surf rescue spots and electronic time rolls within the next week. as the chief mentioned, the h-4 inspector eligibility list, today was the last day of inspection. i haven't heard anything. it should be adopted and then we will be making promotions off that list. retirements for july and august, we just had three members retire, so not very many there.

we already spoke about the h-3 level one class, and the bump up, so i'll move onto support services. 129 facility requests in june, and we closed out is 28. we're continuing to work with d.p.w. on streamlining our communications and operations to better serve the needs of our members in the field, getting our buildings repaired in a timely manner. bureau of equipment handled 50-plus field and equipment repairs as well as hundreds of other request for equipment, service needs, and materials. they also assisted with the deployment of the wild land rigs, as chief bello was talking about. when we did eploy the rigs, there's a bunch of stuff that needs to happen, and the b.l.e. is great with helping with that and giving the rigs a last once over. we do have five more wild land

rigs coming our way. o.c.a. just issued the purchase order, so that is good since the state is burning. and the chief spoke about six engines and three trucks that will start rolling in for us at the end of this year. our facilities, the a.d.f., the ambulance deployment facility, this'll be behind station 9. the construction bids are in and under review. d.p.w. has already pulled all the permits, construction permits, so we're just waiting for the award of the bid and the notice to proceed, and that will likely occur within the next 60 days, and it's scheduled for opening in late 2020. station 16, final completion date is listed at november 8. the fuel oil system, the permit is the delay, and the fuel oil system. station five, final completion

date, we're still looking at december 28. we did get awarded a p.p.e. contract for cleaning and maintenance, so that will be commenced in september. the pick up and drop off of damage turnouts for repair and cleaning. and we do have a new p.p.e. contract that is with o.c.a. right now, and we're hoping to get it finalized over the next week or two, and i know chief rivera put in a lot of work on this. training division, probationary drilling and training. the 122 class is about to finish their one year, so they're undergoing their final testing right now, and once that is completed, the 123 class will undergo their six-month testing. it's written, manipulative, and physical agility test. in-service training, we had 309

members go through 960 hours of training. this week, we started our live fire training module, and so what that means is they're training in dynamic fire conditions where the smoke will bank down on them, actual smoke, not a smoke machine, and they'll really feel the heat, so they're actually burning wood in some of these buildings. and then, they get to see the release that they get once a hole gets cut, they get to see how steam can affect them when they put water on a fire, all those kinds of things that are really important for them to see before they may go into a fire. so we have multiple instructors on hands with them to ensure their safety and to make sure that we're teaching them the lessons they need to learn to keep themselves and their colleagues safe, so super great training that the t.i. service -- t.i. in-service

training staff put together under the direction of chief sato. we also had a multiagency caltrain drill in july at the bayshore caltrain station, and the scenario was that a train crashes into a vehicle, there's a fire, there's multiple people trapped, and so it's working with different agencies to make sure we're communicating, we're not duplicating efforts, and we're all working towards the same end. so it was with caltrain, san mateo county sheriff, north county fire, and ourselves, so that is a success. officer's academy is coming up for all lieutenants and captains who have yet to go through an officer's academy. i have the tentative schedule i just got today, and so we're looking good, and we're dialing in on that. it should start september 17, so that's super important training for our officers --

our new and used officers. e.m.s. academy and in-service -- e.m.s. in-service training, actually, they put 965 members through 3,628 hours, and including in that was the annual rescue captain training, which they integrated medical strike team leader training into that. you probably know last year in sa santa rosa, we sent up a strike team of ambulances, so that's what that is, as well as active shooter training. and nert did 11 events, classes, and outreach presentations, including july 21 outreach day, including ham radio communications, which may be very important during an earthquake. homeland security, chief

cochran is having ongoing fleet meetings with the f.b.i., and military. i believe the parade of ships is on october 5. our boats will be part of that. he's also been working with boma, which i know is near and dear to your heart, president, on disaster and active shooter response planning meetings which -- so he's been working with them. and he works with salesforce on their active shooter drill. he's also been working with the hazards and resilience planning with city agencies, again, what are we going to do in the event of a disaster, what are we going to do afterwards? i did want to talk to you about our usar -- our usar team. i brought a couple of photos. let me see if i can make this

work. so we had, as the chief said, one member deployed with california task force 3. that is firefighter ed martinez and his dog, fritz. he is the one who is deployed to hawaii ahead of the hurricane, so building on the ground and sheltered either in an army base or some such thing, and then, as soon as the hurricane passes, they'll be able to go to work. so there are 40 members that are deployed on this usar team right now. i think there's a total of 80 members on the usar team. three dogs -- three k9 members were deployed, two for live and one cadaver. this is a live -- there we go. that's a live search and rescue dog. so ed's a tiller person at

truck four. he's a 24 year veteran. we also have two other members of our department who have dogs. just so you know, fritz and the other two dogs that we have were rescue dogs, so there is a group called the search dog foundation that -- that goes around the country and rescues dogs from shelters, and these are dogs with high drive, and it's no wonder they ended up in shelters because they have so much energy, they either ran away from home or people didn't know what to do with them. that's the kind of dog they want with super high drive, so they will just search and search and search for people. so they've been certified with fema since 2016. and just a shout out to chief michael cochran for getting us back into task force three, so -- and our other two members are eli thomas and gareth

miller with their dogs vader and vita. they're also part of that task force. so that is that. all right. chief cochran's also been working on our incident management team. many of us are going to be in a five day training class next week, so it's basically how we're going to be running things from a -- whether it's logistics, operational point of view in the event of a large-scale disaster. and that is a uase funding class that we're having at treasure island. so we had a little bit, talk about wild land response. we have a rig called o.e.s.-361, and that is a state owned rig that we deploy -- we

can deploy as a single unit resource with other rigs from the state, and that is remember mit is permitted to stay out for 15 days. the personnel are permitted to stay out for 15 days. that rig had been out at the mendocino fire for a month. it's my understanding it may be released correct, is that correct, chief? >> that's possible. >> okay. so that's possible. okay. so the last i heard, they were doing structure protection at lake pillsbury, which is in the mendocino national forest, and the other team is at the mill creek fire, as the other chief said, up in humboldt. and then, finally, i know you wanted to hear a little bit about the chief's residence. so we are happy to answer questions, but what i can tell you is that it was built in

1921-22. it was designed to look like a fire house, even though it was not a fire house, and i guess it was built by donations from city firefighters and other members of the public. and it was dedicated to chief dennis sullivan, who was injured and then died as a result of his injuries in the 1906 quake, where he and his wife were residing. his wife survived, he did not. the first tenant, original tenant was fire chief thomas murphy, and in 1971, it was designated as a san francisco landmark. as you know, it's at 870 bush street in lower knob hill, district three, and the city and county of san francisco is the property owner. the building's approximately 4300 square feet, and the parcel is about 7100 square

feet. and, you know, it's set back a little bit from the street, small yard in front, and i'm not sure what you all would like to know, but myself and the chief and chief rivera are happy to answer questions. and that concludes my report. there we have it. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, chief nicholson. is there any public comment on chief nicholson's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: yes, thank you, chief nicholson. i'm delighted to hear that the duties of the grant writer are going to be expanded and versatile. that's great. that's music to my ears. thank you. i thought that was appropriate, and though i never said anything, i'm glad, and that's the way i generally felt all

along. so the 123rd class, they did their six-month trunk, six-month engine, and do they do that in different houses or do they stay in the same house? >> different houses. we try to different them a different experience somewhere else in the city. >> commissioner hardeman: i thought that. >> a lot of times, if they're at a single engine company, there's no truck engine available for them, so yeah, different stations, different parts of the city. >> commissioner hardeman: i'm glad to see -- i'm a big supporter of the dogs. i'm glad we were financially able to do it a couple of years ago. budget and economy improved to are able to do that. it's a huge thing, and i hope we never have to use it, but you never know. i see where jerry brown says that surfing is our state sport now, so we might have more

experience in that, talking about your surf rescue squad. i think that -- i think that covers it. thanks for the good report. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> commissioner hardeman: all the numbers with good. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: -- the question that we had in regards to -- or the question that i had in regards to the chief residence had more to do with the budget request for -- i believe it was $1 million, and how we got to that specific number. i know it's not a question you're going to be able to answer now or mr. corso. i don't expect mr. corso to be able to get into the details of that now, but if you could, since that number was presented to the commission, give us an idea how that many of us have had an idea to visit the building, or at least three of us have in the last four or

five months. >>commissioner cleaveland: i think he's got that. >> commissioner veronese: if you would like to give us how you arrived at that numbers. >> mr. corso, if you could come up and give us a brief, if you have them with you currently, as to what the ask was for that particular building, how we came up with that. >> so good evening. mark corso, finance planning. yes. so our budget submittal was based off an initial assessment by the department of public works: they are currently in the process as part of the easter bond doing an overall assessment where they look at each individual department facility and make estimates on all the subsystems within that facility. there's some modelling based off of that. but back in 2014 -- with the 2014 bond, a couple years ago before that, they embarked on a preliminary assessment of all

the facilities. one of the e. is as they looked into, as it wasn't under the neighborhood fire station's umbrella, since there was no emergency response coming from that was the chief's residence. so our numbers were based off an estimate provided by the department of public works, and i'm happy -- i will provide it to you in e-mail, as well, but they looked at roofing, exterior envelope, windows, mechanical hvac, electrical, sidewalk, kitchens, interior work, specialty systems and a.d.a. upgrades, and that's where they got a total of approximately $1.4 million. that doesn't include any seismic work that would be needed. that would obviously inflate that price, but that's the numbers that we have provided for our budget, have been based off of what d.p.w. has provided us. >> commissioner veronese: when you say a.d.a. upgrades, are you talking about putting in an elevator? >> i don't know specifically what they're talking about.

i imagine if there were significant work on the facility, that could be one of the ramifications of it, depending on the scope of work, but we've asked d.p.w. to do an analysis. >> commissioner veronese: i imagine there are some exceptions to the a.d.a. requirements, because that number could go up millions of dollars, millions and millions of dollars. so i guess i'm just trying to get a sense. what you're saying is everything but the bones of this thing if retrofit wasn't included, is what they looked at, and they came up with $1.2 million for that. >> you the infrastructure, electrical, there's some major work that needs to be done in those systems. >> commissioner veronese: and before we do or start any sort of construction, that budget will come before the commission, and we'll look at actually what's being spent. this is just an estimate, correct? >> it's an estimate. we don't actually have the

funding for it, but if that was the case, i'm sure we could bring it before the commission. we've requested it as part of our general fund budget, but it has not been approved, and i imagine we will request it again, but specifically, we have not been allocated any funding for the chief's residence. >> commissioner veronese: and did i hear a comment earlier about how the -- the grand writer -- correct me if i am wrong, but the grant writer that was part of the budget, that the mayor's office approved that we have an open requisition for, that grant writer's job is 100% to write grants, no other job attach tod today -- attached to that position? >> yeah, it would be 100% grant related. grant writing, i think it would depend on the skills of the person, but grand writing is the main focus of it. there would most likely be grant administration, grant

reporting, those things related intrinsically to the grant itself, grant management, some of the accounting portions of it, budgeting, but that's the intent, is to be 100% grant focused. >> commissioner veronese: i just want to be clear, because i think that was the intent of the commission, that when we asked info asked for a grant writer, that would be that person whose sole job was to write grants, administer grants, track grants, whatever you're saying. but what i want to be sure is we're not talking about a position that will be doing half grants and some other job in another department. >> i think where the confusion was the other position that was open previous to the new budget it happens that the candidate that was extended an offer has some skills in addition to writing grants, but that was separate from the new position that was allocated in our budget. >> commissioner veronese:

okay. so i'm correct that it was 100% grant associated. >> that's correct. >> commissioner hayes-white: let me just -- we are committed on that, but recognizing that we are a department where everyone steps up when they need to for some work. i'm just giving an example. i don't like to speak in absolutes, so i don't want mr. corso to commit 100% of the time. we don't work in a vacuum. certainly if mr. corso has been tasked with something to do from my sooffice, from the mayor's office, we're not going to say -- i just want to let you know that we're committed to it, but i don't want to feel like we can't use that person on a special project for a defined period of time. >> commissioner veronese: chief, i totally get what you're saying. this is an all-hands administration. what i don't want to see is the one thing that we asked for in

this budget was this grant writer, and if there are no grants out there or there's no job or work to be done on grants, i'm fine with using that person for other stuff, but as lopg as there's an open grant, as long as there's work to do on grants, i would hope that that person's job is 100% grants, and if there's other work to be done, they wouldn't be tapped for it. i don't like -- i mean, look. absolutes, that's one thing, but when i -- when i hear you say that it's possible that they're going to be used for something else, i would prefer that person not be used for something else as long as there's grant work to be done. that's my only point on that. that's my position. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner veronese. commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president.

i would echo commissioner veronese's concern. this grant writing position is very important. barring any unforeseen circumstances, that's what the grant writer should be doing. so i just had a couple questions for you -- excuse me -- chief nicholson. can you tell us a little more about the officer's academy. >> yes, i can. so i took -- i took an officer's academy when i first became an officer back in 2008-2009, and it was a five day class. >> commissioner covington: it's just for lieutenants and captains. >> back then, it was just for lieutenants, but we are making this for any officer who has yet to go through an officer's academy, so that might be a

captain. so there are -- there are -- the there's probably going to be a day, probably eight hours of on-line training, and then four days of classroom and hands on training. so they're going to talk about everything from e.e.o., management as a -- as a -- on the company officer level, to fire dynamics, decision making on the fire ground, doing probationary drills, surf rescue, hazardous materials, wild land, communications, m.c.i., b.a.r.t., muni, high-rise, technical rescue, leadership, so there are multiple parts of this. but it will be -- like i said, probably eight hours on-line,

and then the week starting september 14 -- september 17, excuse me, five days of module one. and then, the next week, five days of module two, so all the way through the week of october 8. >> commissioner covington: so ten days in person and eight hours on-line. >> eight hours on-line and four days in person. so when i say module one, so that class will be taught monday to a certain set of officers, and then tuesday to another set of officer, then wednesday, depending upon their schedules. and then, the following week, monday, it will be module two, which will consist of different exercises and classroom stuff. and that'll happen five days in a row. >> commissioner covington: and this training will take place on t.i. or will it be here in this -- you know, at the training -- >> 19th and folsom.

>> commissioner covington: 19th and folsom? >> mm-hmm. >> commissioner covington: okay. and in order to be able to attend the academy, will you have to make a request or do you give the order to show up? >> we'll be detailing officers there and moving people around the city to make sure we're operationally covered while still getting people the instruction that we think is so important. >> commissioner covington: now, i think that continuous training is the key to success. you know, everybody, you know, everybody if you're new in a position, it's very good to be able to be with a cohort of people who are in a similar position and to work together collaboratively and to learn how best to do the job, so that's very good. all right. i had another question, but i have so many notes, i can't really find it right now -- oh,

i think it was related to the chief's residence. is there any written history on how the chief's residence came to be built and designated exclusively for the fire department? any covenants that are provided, you know, all of that? i -- those are the things that i'm really looking for, and perhaps -- i'm sorry, commissioner veronese, were you going to say something? >> commissioner veronese: yeah. i googled it, and a lot of information came up googling it. >> commissioner covington: okay. so what did you say, commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: i googled it and did about 20 minutes of research. i don't know if there's an official record, but i don't know if the guardians of the city -- i know they do some

historical writings on it, but if there is, i'm not sure. maybe you could tell us more about it. >> i think there's a littblurb the guardians of the city. but i'll see what i can come up with. >> commissioner covington: i'm particularly interested in the covenants, what can be done and what cannot be done with the residence, and i also had questions sometime ago regarding the breakdown of the -- i think it was $1.5 milli $1.5 million upgrade grade for the residence in line. i think some of that was covered this evening, you know, the electrical and that sort of thing. mr. corso, can you come back to the podium, please. okay. sir, over the past few budget

cycles, have we consistently requested money for the chief's residence because my recollection may be foggy and not quite up to date, but i don't recall us actually asking for the money. it was designated as a need, but we didn't request it. >> i believe at least the past three years, and i can look back and provide some additional information. for at least the last three years, we have, especially since we've been provided some of this information from d.p.w., it has been include paz part of our capital budget request. >> commissioner covington: okay. well, that's good. i did say after visiting the residence in more than 15 years, i did say i was very pleased with the way it looks. it's a lovely, lovely residence, and everything seems to be up to snuff, but of

course i am not a electrician, and i did not look into the walls. so there are those safety things to be considered. all right. those are all of my comments at this time. thank you, mr. corso. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. vice president nakajo. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, mr. president. in terms of important's for our commission, i know that children or grandchildren are important, and today happens to be the birthday of my grandson. so when we look at the agenda, traditionally, if it's not too heavy, we will move to a timely motion of adjournment. so chief, i will make this short. i would make, at the time of agreement -- first of all, i wanted to congratulate you on your report. i always like your comprehensive report. i like the wow factor that you

incorporated this evening. i know that you know that the commissioners are impressed with numbers, and those kind of numbers, when it denotes how many we responded to in e.m.s. and such, are very impressive. those are real, real numbers. i wanted to also let you know that in terms of the officer academy, and i agree with all of the commissioners, in terms of the importance, i believe, 'cause i witnessed through the years, certain segments of that. i think i brought up as a segment, perhaps not be able to be refined because coming up so soon, an area of description of the rules and how rules may move to an offense or discipline and how charges are denoted. there's concepts of coaching, there's charges of, but how that whole process goes in terms of who brings charges and how does that order work? we as commissioners go through

that when we review discipline hearings, but i just think it's very important from the officers all the way up to keep refreshing in terms of that. so i just wanted to request that. >> that's 10:00 on day one. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. got it. and are the commissioners invited to these little training sessions, chief? >> absolutely. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. what time of day? >> so september 17 is the first week. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. >> and it'll be the same class -- so it'll be groundhog day for five days. and then, september 24 will be module two, october 1, module three, october 8, module four. >> commissioner nakajo: okay, chief, do you think you'll be able to send us an e-mail through commission secretary and get us locations, as well. >> absolutely. >>commissioner cleaveland: commissioner, just keep in mind

we can't have more than two commissioners attending at the same time. >> no problem. we can do one on monday, one on tuesday, one on wednesday. >> commissioner nakajo: in terms of numbers, i really like to hear the rescue training numbers. those are important, so again, that's part of the report in terms of all of the information that occurs with that in terms of numbers and -- numbers started, completed, how many officers. impressive. it tells us we're working. the other request is just a request to chief rivera and such. i know you're reporting that station 49 and the nj new facility might be completed by projected date 2020. >> yes, in late 2020, i believe. >> commissioner nakajo: 2020, like, january 2020, or december 2020? i'm just asking. >> so i think it's more towards the end of the year, 2020. october -- september, october,

november time frame. >> commissioner nakajo: i'm just asking because as a point of reference myself and commissioner hardeman, our official terms for the charter are all january 2020, and i've told chief rivera that i'd love to sign the auto graphs on those beams. >> oh, the beams should be in by then. no problem. i'll get a sharpie out with your name, no problem. >> commissioner nakajo: to the new facility for station 49, that's a big deal, so again, i just wanted to probe this all along, and i definitely thank d.p.w. for their cooperation in this, as well. thank you very much, chief. appreciate it. mr. president. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. chief, just had a couple of comments and questions. i am really pleased to hear -- you said we had 129 facility

requests and 128 were closed out. these are requests through public works, correct? >> correct. >>commissioner cleaveland: and was that within the last month? >> yes. >>commissioner cleaveland: that's really excellent. >> the month of july. >>commissioner cleaveland: what was the majority of these facility requests? >> sorry? >>commissioner cleaveland: what was the majority of these facility requests? >> plumbing and electrical, probably the two categories. >>commissioner cleaveland: mostly at fire houses. >> yes, and we've been working diligently with chief rivera, olivia scanlon, been working diligently with d.p.w. to get on a better schedule to meet our needs because things are starting to fall off the back end, so yeah, we're really happy with -- with the progress that's been made. >>commissioner cleaveland: i'm delighted, too. this is one of the things that i'd hoped when i first came on the commission that we'd have a closer working relationship within public works and we'd have a dedicated group of

people within public works that would address fire department issues immediately and that we were given priority, if you will, as one of the public safety departments within the city. so i'm really pleased to hear that. on the drug and alcohol testing you do, all these negatives, how do you do them? >> 80 of them were random, and they're selected by an outside vendor, the names are, and given to our i.s.b.'s, investigative services bureau, captain michael smith. he goes out during the day and tests those people. the other six tests were by accident testing. >>commissioner cleaveland: so they're not notified in advance. >> no. the only time you're going to know that you're testing in advance is if you're going in

for in advance, you know you're going to have that test done, but know, we don't notify our members. >>commissioner cleaveland: station 16, fuel oil permit delay, how long or how much of a delay is that going to mean? >> i'm going to have chief rivera step up for this one. >> good evening, commissioners, chief hayes-white, assistant deputy chief tony rivera. so i just attended a meeting this afternoon at fire station 16, and we had the contractor on-site, we had d.p.w. liaisons also on-site, project manager. it looks like the latest update is that the fuel oil system should be completed by november 8 of this year, barring any significant delays, which kind of have our fingers crossed on that. it is a very, very restricted

area. it's not -- there's a lot of challenges where the fuel system or the fuel tank is going to be placed into. we have been working with d.p.h. in getting all the proper permitting. it is a lot more rigorous than when it was probably installed many years ago, so there's a lot of paperwork and documentation that has to be done by putting an underground storage, a fuel tank. so -- but with that being said, we are moving forward. the facility itself is actually looking great. the contractors are there. i would say you could drive by it. the doors are installed, the windows are in. the exterior is complete,

they're just finishing up interior work. >>commissioner cleaveland: when do you anticipate the firefighters will move back in. >> they'll probably move back in after the fuel system is installed. the fuel tank is actually going to be placed underground at the apron or the front driveway of the fire house, so it probably would not be wise to put the firefighters in, knowing that we need access to that front area, so we're just going to wa wait. >>commissioner cleaveland: so the ribbon cutting won't happen until december? >> they may be cutting the turkey at 16, but then again, it might just be christmas. we're not sure yet. we definitely -- on the support services side, we have all the furniture ordered, complianc compliances -- appliances have been ordered, and as soon as we have all that ready, we're going to get it ready for the firefighters so they can move in as quickly as possible. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you very much. >> yes, sir. >>commissioner cleaveland:

chief nicholson, one last question on the chief's residence, has there been any discussion of going for a state historical landmark status? >> not that i'm aware of. >>commissioner cleaveland: i think if we got that, we wouldn't have to put in the elevator, but it's something to at least research. thank you for your report. >> thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: madam secretary, would you call the next item? >> clerk: item six, commission report. report on last activity since august 8, 2018. >>commissioner cleaveland: seeing none, anything to report, commissioners? commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: thank you. i did want to share with my fellow commissioners that i did have a conversation with a couple of members of the

department regarding the high cost of charges that the chief has brought before them. they're asserting they have to hire an attorney, and they said it's in the neighborhood of $10,000. and i said yes, but we have this early case resolution conference that we've been doing over the past few years, and they said that they weren't aware of that. so their sharing with me was that some people feel as if they are forced to take the days without being able to defend themselves, to be able to mount a defense for themselves. so again, the early case resolution conference, they were not aware of, and that led me to call our city attorney,

mr. bradley rossy, to ask him about it. i wanted to make sure i had the name and phrasing correctly because some of these are, you know, very, very strict, and he pointed out to me that we were supposed to be having these conferences on a trial basis, and we have to now declare the trial to be over. we need to amend our rules so that this is a part of the way that discipline is meted out, and if we're going to continue, not only do we have to amend

the rules, we have to include the feedback from the union, yes. so he shared with me that he has mentioned this to us several times, and then once he mentioned it, i said oh, yes he has. so it seems to me that time is of the essence so that we can more widely share what's going on, that it isn't one thing or the other thing, that these early case resolution conferences are facilitated by one of the commissioners, and we go back and forth until we come to a decision. the chief of the department chimes in. there's a -- a give and take, and quite an extensive conversation about it, and then, everything goes to the full commission for an okay or things get changed around. i just think that it's important for the members of

the department to feel that they have an opportunity for a fair hearing, and this is why the early case resolution conference was developed, and so now, we need to codify it. >>commissioner cleaveland: yes, we do. was that something that brad would do? >> commissioner covington: i don't know if your mic was on. i don't know if people can hear you. >>commissioner cleaveland: would he prepare a draft of rules to amend this early case resolution. >> commissioner covington: i'll ask him to, and then, we can handle it by a vote of all of the commissioners and then get the word out about how the process works and how valuable it can be to members. >>commissioner cleaveland: and i will say it does save money and time on both sides, so absolutely, it's something we need to memorialize in the

rules. very good. thank you. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: thank you, mr. president. i already talked about the graduation class, which is, again, everybody, kudos, especially to the training staff. and i was in sacramento last friday, and they had a bacci ball tournament. when i heard about this bacci ball tournament, when the commissioners were invited, it never dawned on me that i would be going. my grandson takes his soccer lessons at this park in east sacramento, so that was sort of fun. so i did go over, and captain darius latrop, who works for chief soto in training, was sort of the spear head of the whole thing. it was quite a good time.

i really enjoyed seeing the camaraderie of batallion chief to firefighter, and you never knew anybody's rank unless you asked them, but it was very cool. and it was a 29-year-old baby. one of the firefighters had a child, and that was one. but it was great. i really enjoyed it. i was happy to see a group of people that live in the sacramento area that are involved in this. it was terrific, and i was just happy to see firefighters getting together on their own time, having a good time, and seeing how much they like each other, and that was really fun. i just wanted to thank captain latrop for a beautiful facility, bacci ball facility,

brand-new facility, that they've built in that park. so portal park. it was in east portal park. i live in west portal in san francisco, so any way. thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. vice president nakajo. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, mr. president. just as a point of clarification, i know and will need feedback in terms of this particular item. in terms of september the 25, we're scheduled for a retreat. i believe you said the retreat time is between 10:00 and 3:00. and for myself, it would be nice, mr. president, if there could be clarity addressed to agenda and schedule, meaning, what time we're coming, what are we talking about. i understand we're going to have a facilitator, which for myself, i don't recall the facilitator that was exchanged for the retreat. >>commissioner cleaveland: none is setup at this point because neither that i talked

to are available. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. and i didn't realize that we have a budget for facilitator, and so i assume that's going to be taken care of, who are the facilitator is in the budget. so i just wanted to get more of the information. and i think between 10:00 and 3:00, there's lunch scheduled, and my clarity, is it a working lunch or social lunch? and just for myself, 10:00 to 3:00 is a lot of time. i have something pressing in the afternoon, but if we can see a calendar -- >>commissioner cleaveland: i've got 3:30. >> commissioner nakajo: well, this calendar has willingly got some engagements. i will be there