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>> clerk: item 2, general public comment. members of the public may address the commission on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction that does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address their comments to the commission as a whole. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with a speaker. the lack of a response by the commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> is there any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> clerk: item three, approval of the minutes, discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes of august 8, 2018. >>commissioner cleaveland: is

there any public comment on the minutes? none, public comment is closed. commissioners, what is your pleasure? >> so moved, mr. chair. >>commissioner cleaveland: moved by commissioner hardeman. is there a second? >> second, mr. president. >>commissioner cleaveland: seconded by vice president nakajo. all in favor? next. >> clerk: item four, chief of department's request for leave with pay of three days, september 19 through september 21, 2018 to attend the national prior protection association's 2018 urban fire forum in quincy, massachusetts. discussion and possible action to approve chief of department's request with pay for three days to attend the national fire protection fire association's 2018 urban fire forum in quincy, massachusetts. the national fire protection agency will cover the expense of travel, meals, and lodging.

no fire department funds will be used for this trip. deputy chief mark gonzales will be acting chief of the department in her absence. >>commissioner cleaveland: public comment on this? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, what is your pleasure? >> moved. >> so moved by commissioner hardeman. do we have a comment? >> i do. >>commissioner cleaveland: commissioner covington, your comment, please. >> chief hayes-white, could you tell us about this forum coming up. >> sure. i participated in 2007, and have been asked to participate every third year after that and have been unable to do so given some obligations at home and at work, and so was asked once again this year to participate. it's basically a gathering of metro department large urban fire departments chiefs to

discuss emerging issues, to discuss the role of the national fire protection association. it's basically their opportunity -- they're funding the trip -- to hear from some of the larger city chiefs to hear about how we feel they're doing and to just kind of have brainstorming sessions on different issues. i know last year, the theme was sort of peer support came up. this year, as we've included for you, you can see some of the topics that will be discussed and some of the lectures that we're going to be receiving, as well, such as fire dynamics update. this is particular to finding on basement fires, fire attack, fire exposure, decon, and training, as well as several other updates, threat assessments, maintaining school safety during active shooter events. so typically, what they do is

incidents that have occurred during the year are discussed at some -- some sort of the high level emergency incidents, a group thing, so it's a few days to get together with some colleagues and peers to discuss what our procedures are and how we can further the -- the industry along. >> commissioner covington: all right. well, thank you for that information. it sounds like a great conference. i'm second this item. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. all in favor, say aye. it's unanimous. thank you. madam secretary. >> clerk: item five, chief of department's report, report from chief of department joanne hayes-white including budget, academy, special events, communications, and outreach to other government agencies and the public and report from administration, deputy chief jeanine nicholson, report on administrative division's fleet and facility status, including

an update on the chief's residents, finances, support services, homeland security, and training within the department. >> good evening, chief. >> good evening, president cleaveland, members of the fire commission. this is the report since the last meeting, which was provided to you by deputy chief gonzales who was acting chief of department. related to the budget, we continue to finalize the close out of the 2018 budget and we are in the beginning or first quarter of our recently approved city budget, so things are looking good at this time. we are in the process of conducting interviews for some open civilian positions, and that would also include beginning the process for the grant writer position. and let's see...next item regarding academy, as you know, we graduated a class of 49. thank you for those commissioners that were able to attend the graduation at

reardon on august 10. i think you'll see a pattern of the members of the community that we're serving, most of them with fire and/or e.m.s. backgrounds, so that was -- that was great to add to our employment pool. 125th class has not been selected. the class has been moved for an early 2019. we're looking at somewhere in the month of january . that class will be comprised of 55 members, 43 members off the list and 12 members coming from station 49 like we've done in the past. i imagine i will call for a refreshed list probably next month that will reflect those that have taken the examination through the month of july and begin selections back -- some backgrounds and interviewing in the month of october.

we will have what we call a bump up academy which is comprised of members that are h-3-1 paramedics and e.m.t.'s joined by a group of h-2 firefighters that also have their paramedic licenses. they will go through our in-house training program and become h-3 level three's -- paramedics. we are anticipating a class of 30. the breakdown will be 20 h-3 level one paramedics and 20 firefighters moving to paramedics. we're going to do that in the early part of the fall, so i believe next month is when we're scheduled for that. and then later in the fall, late october, early november , we anticipate hiring a class of entry level e.m.t.'s, and -- 24. i did want to let you know it's

been a busy wild land season once again. i know we have in division today the assistant chief who i'd like to acknowledge for his coordination. he's keeping very busy both on duty and off duty, doing a very good job assembling strike teams when they were requested by the state -- they are requested by the state. we as you know had deployed a strike team originally end of last month -- i believe it was july 26 down to the cranston fine in san bernardino. they were redeployed -- they were redeployed up to the mendocino complex fire where they remained until august 8 and came back. we still have an o.e.s. rig, which is an officer and three members at the mendocino complex fire. at one point, we had about 35 members because in addition to the strike team. we had also deployed two engines and a strike team leader that combined together

to form a full strike team with other agencies. they are all back with the exception of the o.e.s. rig. and then just yesterday we deployed another strike team, so that would be five engines comprised of four members, an officer and three, so 20, plus two other members, a strike team leader and strike team leader assistant to the mill creek fire in humboldt county, so at this time we have 26 members deployed, four still at the mendocino complex, and 22 deployed to the mill creek. so great job, chief velo, and i know he's tight with his trusty incident support specialist, jana, so thank you for all your work on tracking those -- those members. just to let you know, i think we've reported before, they check in daily. the strike team leader will check in daily to let us know how the leaders are doing. typically they're on the line

for a 24 hour period and then they get a 24-hour break, but that doesn't always happen, so we appreciate their efforts and always hoping, you know, for no injuries and safety. they have a good strike team leader, and they're well trained in wild land firefighting. chief nicholson will be able to give more information, but we did receive a request last night for a member from task force three being deployed and that's a specialty unit. that's our k-9 unit, so we sent ed martinez and his k-9 with task force three to hawaii this morning in anticipation of hurricane lane, and we -- that's a request that we received, and he was deployed earlier this morning, is that correct? i believe chief nicholson will confirm that.

okay. thank you. related to events since the last meeting on august 8, i did want to thank the commissioners, the department, and particularly four members from my staff who assisted, and i think wouldn't have been possible without them, in receiving the award that i did from the international association of fire chiefs. my assistant, kelley alf, mindy tallmadge, who kept it under wraps for a few months because there was a nomination for consideration for selection of the award, and they -- it was a lot of effort on their part to submit what needed to be submitted, and it was reviewed by a peer panel and then to get selected was very much a great honor for me, so thank you, also, the commission for allowing me the time to attend the banquet and the ceremony. i was able to attend with my three boys, and my brother and

sister-in-law came. it was a very special three days. my brother and sister-in-law came. thank you very much for that. flew back the night of the 9. had the graduation on the 10th. after the graduation, i was able to go -- still haven't gone to the top, the opening of the transit center, which is phenomenal. i would suggest and highly recommend anyone to visit that center that's now open. great work being done, and a lot of ramp up by the bureau of fire prevention to get that center open and safe to the public, so i wanted to thank the chief and his staff because they spent a lot of hours working with the developer and the contractor and -- on that -- on that particular project. let's see...on the 15th, attended a retirement event for the long-time city employee, over 33 years, one of my colleagues, ann kronenberg who officially retired on the 10th. that was a party for her on the 15th and we had great

representation. i was able to make it by, as well as deputy chief gonzales. we had assistant deputy chief mike cochran, andy zanoff, and we had pat darcy, he works up at the 911 center, and i believe division three was there that night, as well, and jana was there, too. the next day, the chief rivera, chief nicholson, and mark corso and i met with the assistant city administrator to discuss where we're at in terms of our easter projects and that is a continued work in progress as they work to close a gap so what they're anticipating to be is more money for a project that is nearing completion, and that's the traffic company. it's not our project, it's the police department's project, but it was looked at in totality. so that will continue to be a discussion point related to

possible movement of some funds to complete that project, and i'll have more information on that as time goes on. we also had the opportunity -- so we've celebrated ann kronenberg who was a pleasure to work with. mayor breed moved quickly and named her replacement. it's mary ellen carroll, who i've worked with and look forward to working with in an even closer capacity. she had begun her career with the department of public health, then went to the controller's office and for the last seven years has over seen disaster operations and planning for the p.u.c., so i think she's a great candidate, great selection, and myself and some of the command staff met with the two deputies, assistant deputy chief cochran and i met with her to offer our full support and give her an overview of how we operate and look forward to that relationship, which will be

strengthened. on the 19th, which was last sunday -- and i was joined by commissioner alioto veronese, also had a couple of the assistant chiefs there, chief rivera and chief cochran, there was a great event that started a few years back. we were partnering with other fire agencies and it's all for awareness of cancer and cancer prevention in the fire service. there's a bike ride that starts in sausalito and ends in los angeles. every year for the last few years, they -- they -- what they do is they honor members that have died of cancer, and so this year's honorees from san francisco were hermann worsh and mark grishon. it was an informal but touching

ceremony. commissioner, i appreciate you coming out for that. i think you were over in sausalito, as well, so great work being done there to spread the word about the high prevalence of cancer in the fire service. on the 21st, yesterday, chief nicholson and i, and mark corso, we brought him into answer some of the agenda items, we had a local meeting -- monthly meeting with local 798 to review any outstanding issues and come together, and you know make some decisions and solutions and just to update them on what's happening, so that is our monthly meeting. and yet afternoon, i was part of a department head meeting, discussing mayor breed's -- her office called the meeting related to housing issues and how each of the agencies has an integral role and has to sign off, but how we can even more closely work together. one of the things we've done i think that's worked really well is we've been able to assign a

single point of contact and that's acting captain michael patz from the bureau of fire prevention, and it was acknowledged during the meeting that it's been really stream lined and it's been really well received by the other agencies, so all that's really good. coming up, i know we have a stair climb on september 8 to spread awareness of the prevalence of ptsd in our -- in our lives and in our workplace. then, there's the police fire mass on september 9. and then, of course, on 9-11, we will do what we've done every chief, to do a commemmoration of 9-11-2001. to be determined on the 8th, i'm going to try to make the morning, but i go out of town

in tahoe. that's a weekend, unfortunately that i will be away but it's a family -- a niece is getting married. so i just wanted to conclude my report with that. >> thank you, chief. is there any public comment on the chief's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, i don't see any names up there. vice president nakajo? >> commissioner nakajo: thank you very much, president cleaveland. thank you very much, chief, for your report. a few items i just wanted to note, and then i think, based onme on comments, i don't know how many questions chief, but first i wanted to congratulate you on your award on the international association of fire chiefs. i was hoping you could give us a little feedback how it went last weekend at the dinner in dallas so we could share in the good fortune.

chief, could you help us a little out on that? >> sure. so i flew out to dallas on august 7, which was a tuesday, and it's a conference that i've attended in the past. not on a regular basis. it's an annual conference. it's called f.r.i. it is an acronym. it's chief officers, not necessarily just chiefs of the department, but chiefs, officers or those that are at an officer level, aspiring to be chief, attended by approximately 2500 to 3,000 people, and there's workshops over the course of the three days. so on wednesday, the -- basically, it was -- i had met with some of my colleagues. i was able to thank three of my peers who had nominated me, and i met -- they picked two chiefs of the year every year, so i was a career fire chief, and my counterpart was a volunteer fire chief from a county in --

near baltimore, maryland. his name was herbert loesch. there was an awards banquet that night, where we were honored and asked to say a few words. so that was very moving. and then, the next morning, we were up early and in our seats at the convention center by 7:30, and the awards ceremony started at 8:00 a.m. and it was no speaking role that morning, it was just receiving the award. it was -- there was a beautiful sort of trophy like award that i was given, as well as a ring. and so that's an headquarters. kind of like the giants or the warriors trophy, it'll be in my office if anyone wants to come and take a look.

thank you. i think it was a -- i had a great time, and it was a great trip. >> commissioner nakajo: also chief that you're going to go to the fire national protection association was always part of this commission, and i know you know that. commissioner hardeman has always been a strong supporter of you, the chief's department, going throughout the nation and sharing what we have here in san francisco, so i wanted to congratulate you on that by getting feedback. my second question is i know you reported that the 125 class is coming up, and that out of there, we'll still have the formula of -- did you say 12 out of station 49? >> yes. >> commissioner nakajo: and i know that's been going on for a long time, because for me, it brings back the concepts that when we adopted the h-3 and cross training of e.m.t.'s and paramedics in the department, we talked for a long time about cross training.

it's really graduatifying that you're looking at a bump up class in the fall that's part of that h-3 bump up. i just think that's really important because that's how we keep things going. i don't know of many departments that one can enter an h-8, sent to the e.m.t., have an in-house development in terms of paramedic and still sent to an h-3 if those possibilities are afforded the members. i just think that's real important, commissioners. because for me, commissioners, i have longevity on this commission, it's a promise that we made, and i'd like to keep it. i also want to note on my next item, i appreciate it, and i know the commission does, our current activities with the strike teams. i know it started last year when we had the santa rosa fires, and it just continues. i think last year, this commission asked chief zaragosa to come back and give some feedback in terms of the actuals.

i'd like to request that if the chief would be able to come up and give some narrations in terms of what we see on tv, but there's a lot of fires and there's a lot of jurisdictions for us to hear how far our teams are going and to pay attention to all our friends and relatives in lau. it's a big deal, un -- in hawaii. it's a big deal. the city and county of san francisco needs to know that, as well, so at some future arrangement, chief hayes-white, if we can get that going. >> commissioner hayes-white: sure. >> commissioner nakajo: the other thing was, i think i hit all of my particular areas at this time. thank you, mr. president. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. thank you for your report, chief hayes-white. you missed the last meeting, of course, because you were away, and my fellow commissioners

heaped much praise on your head in absentia, so i was waiting until you were actually present to congratulate you, so congratulation on -- congratulations on that wonderful award, and yes, i will be stopping by your office to take a look at it. >> commissioner hayes-white: thank you. >> commissioner covington: you're welcome. i think it's fantastic that all of your sons were there to be able to see their mother vetted and honored. it's very special, and i think i have an idea of what this year's photo will be on the christmas greeting, so i look forward to seeing that. i just have a couple of questions for you, chief. the policy recommendations from the mayor's summit, you and senior staff, i suppose, are putting together the response

to the request from the mayor's office, and that's due on the 28, is it? >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. >> commissioner covington: all right. and how will you be sharing that with the commission? >> commissioner hayes-white: so i anticipate submitting it by the deadline, hopefully, on the 27th. we're just compiling for the final pieces of it, and i'm happy to share a copy with each of the commissioners via the commission secretary. >> commissioner covington: that would be very good. i look forward to that, and commissioners, i think that the chief's response will help inform our discussions again at our upcoming retreat. it's in september. so the final budget was signed on august 1, is that correct? >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. >> commissioner covington: okay. and what was the final figure for the department? in the 400 million range, but i'm going to look to mark corso, is that about right? 400 million, give or take, but that's pretty much a solid

estimate. >> commissioner covington: and this is new territory for us, is it not? have we ever reached 400 million before? >> commissioner hayes-white: no. so in comparison to about 383 last year. >> commissioner covington: well, it's wonderful that all of these cranes are out and about in the city so that we can get the money that we need for fleet and new hires and all of that. i believe that chief gonzales, two weeks ago, said that the person who was being interviewed for the grant writer position, that that person had been tendered an offer. is that correct or no? >> commissioner hayes-white: chief nicholson will respond. >> deputy chief nicholson. so i misspoke last time. we have two 18-23 positions that are open. one had been open from someone

who retired, and one is the new one that was funded. so the retired person is the -- that's the person that we have interviewed for and tendered an offered to. >> commissioner covington: so it's not the grant writing position. >> no, but that person certainly does have some grant writing skills, as well, but it will also be under director corso, mark corso, but it was not the position that was requested this past year. does that make sense? >> commissioner covington: yes, it does. thank you for that clarification, and having two people with grant writing experience is wonderful. if you could, please, share that posting, the description of the assignments, as well as the required backgrounds with the commission, that would be helpful. thank you. and let's see...i also had a

question regarding -- oh, september 11. chief, had you previously planned on unveiling the remnant from the world trade center on the 11th? >> commissioner hayes-white: yes, that was the thought, and i'm not sure if we're quite there yet. but to be determined. it most likely will be delayed. >> commissioner covington: okay. all right. thank you. >> commissioner hayes-white: we'll let you know that. >> commissioner covington: okay. i had it on my calendar, but i'll just pencil it in. >> commissioner hayes-white: i'll get back to you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. commissioner hardeman. >> commissioner hardeman: thank you, mr. president. you heard we did all congratulate you when you were gone, but it's nice to hear it was such a big crowd, and you're so good or bad or whatever you want to say about

not traveling. you allow your staff and other members in the department to travel, but you are pretty much a stay at home for whatever reason over the years. i do know when i was working, one of the things i enjoyed was traveling and adding a day here and a day there to at least, and you never do that. so as commissioner alioto veronese said last month, i hope she gets a little r&r. but you don't take advantage of that travel, and that's your decision, and that's how you choose to operate. t the -- i wants to comment on the graduating class, 124 graduating class that all this audience aspire to do, maybe, in the 125th. the video was fantastic. i loved the video.

good training department. got to show the -- everybody working hard, and a lot of the humor and the fun that went into it, but mostly the hard work and the dedication, and it was nice to hear the comments of the graduates about their respect for their instructors, and how they said they know they went above and beyond just to make sure that -- to not get enough demerits to get knocked out of the class. it's very easy. i've heard if you're walking across, you get a call from your girlfriend, and you're walking across the plaza, and you're supposed to be running, you get demerits. little things like that can get you knocked out. you have to pay attention, so that was good to hear.

it was very, very wonderful. that was maybe my favorite graduating because of the video, we got to see how everybody felt, so that was great. chief vela is like zaragosa and the others that take the lead on sending a strike team to the fires. i'm glad to hear that you assigned all those. it's sad. we closed the last meeting in memory of the firefighters that lost their lives, and we have an additional four. i'm sure we'll close our meeting in memory of the additional four. i'm sure our president has already decided to do that, so that's sad news. the largest fire in the state in history, and we've been

helping, and we haven't heard any complaints that you haven't assigned enough people to go around, so good job, and good job to all those who are serving, trying to help knock these things out. thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commission hardeman. commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: an update on -- i understand that you're going to be giving a report to the mayor's office. is there -- is there a piece of that report that deals with her policy on housing? >> commissioner hayes-white: yes, but we were not asked to respond to that, but i have the document which i believe is a public document. that is something that they did not ask us to respond to. >> commissioner veronese: okay. >> commissioner hayes-white: the component related -- public safety transition teams report specific to the fire department and the recommendations.

>> commissioner veronese: and so the department -- the fire prevention department who has a hand in on permits was not asked to be a part of that analysis on housing? >> commissioner hayes-white: no. >> commissioner veronese: are we experiencing delays in plan checks within that department or i understand that the department is doing some hiring there to makeup for some -- is it atrition? >> commissioner hayes-white: it's a combination of staffing as well as just the heavy volume related to the plan check process and the number -- the volume of permits coming in, so we are challenged in that area, but the chief and his staff have assured me that they're taking measures to try and work through any backlog that there might be, but it is a work in progress. one of the things under the chief's leadership that i think that has worked really well is the pairing of an h-4 fire

inspector who has the knowledge, skills, and ability and has been a firefighter with the expertise of a fire protection engineer. we have -- we've had that, but under this fire marshal, we have increased that, and that works really well, that pairing, to be able to kind of have a more stream lined process by which to get those permits approved. >> commissioner veronese: i know you mentioned earlier, the other departments, you have a single point of contact that you initiated, and the other departments were happy about that. my concern that -- not my concern, but my question is, i understand the other departments are happy about that, but have we reached out to determine -- as i mentioned in past meetings -- whether or not the -- the stakeholders, the people who were actually doing the building in san francisco, whether or not they -- they are happy with the fire department?

i've never heard issues in the past about the fire department being a problem. i have of other departments in the city being a problem in that area. but have we reached out to those constituencies to see if they are happy because they're the ones that ultimately are fulfilling the mayor's promise for housing, not the planning department. the planning department and fire department are pretty much there to do permitting and compliance, so i'm wondering if the stakeholders believe that we are doing a good job and that we are learning, you know, from what they have to say. >> commissioner hayes-white: so i think that in terms of the two most recent positions that we've designated, one to sort of work on the housing process with the other agencies, i would say not only is it the other agencies that are pleased, but i think, ultimately, the end product is that things are getting through more smoothly so that to your point, the developer, the contractor, they're seeing sort

of the fruits of not just us, but everyone kind of having someone specialized in paying specific attention to that particular issue. another example would be, little off topic, but we now have a single point of contact for any projects we're working with m.t.a., street progress, making sure we have adequate turnarounds and so forth. still part of ongoing support process, but now we have chief chad laws continuing to advocate for what we need to in terms of fire code and regulations, but again, sort of a single point of contact. that single point of contact on the plan check basis would be our assistant fire marshal, tyrone pruitt, who actually his office is over at 1660 mission, and that i would say out of the three that i've mentioned would be the most challenging at this

time. as commissioner covington mentioned, the cranes and the heavy stream of projects

>> commissioner hayes-white: you can drive by and take a look. it was a little compromise on each side, but you can drive by. >> commissioner veronese: and our trucks have access to the buildings? >> commissioner hayes-white: we're satisfied. we didn't get exactly what we wanted, but we can make it work, and i feel from an operational perspective, we can make it work. i'd say it ended up being a win-win. it took a while, but i feel about it. >> commissioner veronese: thanks, chief. oh, and on the wild land fires. when was it -- i know you recently issued a general order in regards to wild land fires.

this was about two to three weeks ago, i believe. when was the last time we actually took a look at it and actually looked at the research behind it to update whether or not -- or what other departments were doing in this area because wild lands have changed over the years. they're moving into cities, as we know, and towns. was this update that we did in the last two to three weeks, was that an update done for a particular reason or was that an update that was done through a bunch of research because times have changed and we're being dynamic about our policy? i'm just trying to get a sense of why we of questions?

>> no. >> commissioner veronese: i promise you won't regret coming to this meeting. you've got that look on your face like, iri degree this. >> commissioner hayes-white: i had to come, too. >> commissioner veronese: thank you, chief, for coming. you, by the way, did an outstanding job at the fire, as i witnessed, in north beach a couple of weeks ago. you did a fantastic job, and i wanted to acknowledge you for that. i wanted to ask you about the dynamics or the state of the current affairs of this wild land fire policy. i know that we currently send people out there. we're exposing traditionally -- historically, we've been exposing our firefighters ten days. are we asking ourselves the questions and is this policy

changing dynamically to reflect what we know about cancers and all the different issues that surround wild land fires which have turned into wild land flesh urban fires. >> good evening, commissioners, chief bello. chief is correct. it's the policy of the g.o. just updated the policy, and let me give you a brief synopsis of what we changed. selection wasny changed due to the increased numbers of new employees that have come chang the increased numbers of new employees that have co changed the increased numbers of new employees that have come in, we changed the dynamics of how we selected, experience and not experience, mix it up, and that's what we did, because the chief has authorized the last few years to send single resource engines, like we did the past few weeks. therefore, the economics of a single resource engine is

different than the -- >> commissioner veronese: what is that for us lay people. >> a single engine that goes out with a strike team all by themselves. the dynamics for them, we have to have very experienced personnel going out there because they're going to be by themselves for a long time. we thought our troops together, the dynamics of that. we changed the numbers of selected, and we asked them for more experience. in regards to what you're asking, every year we do a refresher training, and every year we reflect the new policies, new economics. in 2016, the state of california went from being aggressive to a little more defensive, and some safety acronyms, all the terminology, all the things we use there is reflected when we show up for the morning briefings. every year, we're updating, we're given experiences from last year, we're sharing other

fires that happens. we're sharing the line of duty this, and how did that happen. so every year, we're doing those dynamics that you're asking for through the training that every member's required to go before they can actually deploy. >> commissioner veronese: okay. and so we're asking ourselves, we're reflecting on our past policies and saying, you know, is ten days appropriate, do we have the right equipment these days, so the types of fires that we're quiting, are we finding that we're having the right type of equipment and equipment support on the equipment side? >> i would say on the part of ten days deployment, we're actually on the lower side that most departments do. most departments do 21 days. we do ten days because that's the minimum requirement of o.e.s., on or about ten days. depends on how the incident's going. we feel that's safe for our firefighter's exposure. obviously, it's not a good

exposure, because you're always in smoke, and sleeping in smoke and stuff, but it's better than wh be --

commissioner veronese, we will be discussing housing as it relates to the fire department. so it should be a -- a very,

you know, thoughtful and hopefully creative discussion. >> commissioner veronese: productive. >> commissioner covington: yes, definitely productive. thank you. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. vice president nakajo had a final question? >> commissioner nakajo: yes. chief hayes-white, i remember what i wanted to ask. i made mention in terms of promises kept, i'd be curious to know how long we've been doing the recruitment of station 49 and in terms of total numbers of successful graduations that came from 49. i would be interested in perhaps chief sato might be able to help with that as well or whatever research can be occurred. it just would probably be a pretty good healthy number. >> commissioner hayes-white: yes, we can definitely get that number for you. >> commissioner nakajo: yes. and i would think with the

commission, not only the numbers supporting it, but we can do actuals. so thank you, mr. president. >>commissioner cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. chief, i did have a couple of questions. first off, i did want to congratulate the 124th class for that video. it was terrific, and i would urge every class to put together a similar video of their experiences. i think it really is a bonding experience, and it gives the families and relatives and friends and everybody that's at the graduation a really good idea of what they went through, so i commend them on putting that together. on the 125th class, i know you said you're going to refresh the list. does that impact the current list, so when new people -- new scores come on, i guess it bumps people down potentially, correct? >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. the -- well, potentially. the list, it doesn't move someone's rank. >>commissioner cleaveland: right. >> commissioner hayes-white: so it potentially could expand,

but someone's ranking does not change. it can be added to, and the -- the person is on the list for a two-year period of time. >>commissioner cleaveland: so the ranking doesn't change, which means that if you have equal scores, the rank is equal? >> commissioner hayes-white: yes. >>commissioner cleaveland: ah, good. entry level e.m.t.'s, 24 to be hired. when was that date? >> commissioner hayes-white: late october, early november . it's about a six-week class. >>commissioner cleaveland: okay. thank you. of the k9 unit that's being sent to hawaii as we speak, what are they responding to? what are we assisting in? >> commissioner hayes-white: they're anticipating a level five hurricane, hurricane lane, so for search and rescue. >>commissioner cleaveland: got it. thank you. the labor management meeting that you held, i guess, yesterday or day before yesterday that you do on a

monthly basis, is there anything that you can publicly talk about that resulted from those -- that meeting? >> commissioner hayes-white: sure. so we meet monthly, and there's a -- we -- local 798 proposes the agenda. it's been like that for years. there's typically anywhere from 12 to 15 items. some of the items are repeating if they're not quite resolved. some of them are repeating because it's -- they want an update on -- so the response times for the previous month, how we're doing in terms of response times, how many openings we have, how many promotions. we've committed and we've done a pretty good job if there is an opening, within a short period of time, we're going to be promotoring. we recently had an h-4 inspector examination. there is a list that came out -- it will come out -- the eligibility list will come out and be adopted in the seven day period, so we're nearing that.

those are just some examples. they want to know when the -- you know, how we're doing on our tools and equipment. so we've ordered and are expecting six engines to come in, and we've ordered six aerial trucks. >>commissioner cleaveland: who typically meets in these meetings? >> commissioner hayes-white: good question. it's always myself and the chief deputies. there was a couple of financial-related matters. usually, we can handle them, but i had mark corso come in and join us. there's usually three or four of us, and it's the executive board of locate of 798. so yesterday, president o'conor, shawn buford, adam -- >>commissioner cleaveland: executive board members, how

many? >> commissioner hayes-white: seven or eight, so there's usually -- >>commissioner cleaveland: it's closed session. >> commissioner hayes-white: so one month at local 798 headquarters and one month at our headquarters. they're generally, generally pretty productive. >>commissioner cleaveland: not something commissioners would attend. >> commissioner hayes-white: you're more than welcome. i have no issue with it. i think that would be something i'm more than open to, and i think local 798 would just have the courtesy of requesting, but i think it's a great idea. >>commissioner cleaveland: single point of contact you mentioned for the sfmta, public works, so we have a single point of contact for that agency? >> commissioner hayes-white: it's not public works. it would be more mayor's office sort of office of workforce development, oewd, and then, the housing person working with ken rich, kate hartly, but certainly, d.p.w.'s at the table, as well. >>commissioner cleaveland: so could we get a single point of contact for the public works department? >> commissioner hayes-white:

basically, our single point of contact, you're looking at chief anthony rivera, and he has a staff, as well, in captain steve mcpartland, captain james reedy. otto sarkisian is our engineer, and we'd cliek to clone him because he gets work done quickly. i would say our single point of contact is deputy chief rivera. >>commissioner cleaveland: the 9-11 ceremony, has that been fleshed out in terms of details, where and what time and all that good stuff? >> commissioner hayes-white: so on 9-11, typically what we have done, at least since 2004, every station has a similar ceremony where the -- that we have a commemoration of what occurred in 2001, the world trade center, in shanksville,

pennsylvania, and then, at the pentagon, and all the names are read. any member of the public or commission are welcome to participate at any station. typically, i will pick a station to participate. it's been station 15, station 19, station 7, station 4. a lot of times, if there's a class in session, which there will not be this time, we do it at station 7. so more to follow on that, but we'll put a general order out, and it goes through exactly sort of what the program is for the day. >>commissioner cleaveland: so you've not picked a station yet? >> commissioner hayes-white: i have not. and sometimes we'll get requests by the mayor's office. >>commissioner cleaveland: so what time? >> commissioner hayes-white: it's generally early in the morning. usually 6:30, 6:45, but that's part of the general order, and we will coordinate with the mayor's office if mayor breed

is interested in participating at any side. >>commissioner cleaveland: i think it's important to invite the mayor. okay. thank you so much. thank you for your report. chief nicholson, come on up, or as they say on tv, come on down. >> greetings again, commissioners, chief, sister maureen. deputy chief administration jeanine nicholson. i'm going to try to wow you tonight with some numbers and statistics here, but first, let me tell you that video was produced by paramedic captain ben sossan, so he is a whiz with that stuff. >> commissioner hardeman: can you spell the last name, chief? >> sosin, s-o-s-i-n. so again, congratulations, chief, on that prestigious award that you got. i wish they had put a little

hair or something on that statue. i'll begin with my administrative position. 46 return to work evaluations. i.s.b., investigative services bureau did 86 drug and alcohol tests, all negative. the assignment office just completed an analysis of e.m.s. call demand in case we need to switch some schedules, switch our resources around, and they'll be conducting a station 49 vacancy bid. we're also going to be implementing our surf rescue spots and electronic time rolls within the next week. as the chief mentioned, the h-4 inspector eligibility list, today was the last day of inspection. i haven't heard anything. it should be adopted and then we will be making promotions

off that list. retirements for july and august, we just had three members retire, so not very many there. we already spoke about the h-3 level one class, and the bump up, so i'll move onto support services. 129 facility requests in june, and we closed out is 28. we're continuing to work with d.p.w. on streamlining our communications and operations to better serve the needs of our members in the field, getting our buildings repaired in a timely manner. bureau of equipment handled 50-plus field and equipment repairs as well as hundreds of other request for equipment, service needs, and materials. they also assisted with the deployment of the wild land rigs, as chief bello was

talking about. when we did eploy the rigs, there's a bunch of stuff that needs to happen, and the b.l.e. is great with helping with that and giving the rigs a last once over. we do have five more wild land rigs coming our way. o.c.a. just issued the purchase order, so that is good since the state is burning. and the chief spoke about six engines and three trucks that will start rolling in for us at the end of this year. our facilities, the a.d.f., the ambulance deployment facility, this'll be behind station 9. the construction bids are in and under review. d.p.w. has already pulled all the permits, construction permits, so we're just waiting for the award of the bid and the notice to proceed, and that will likely occur within the next 60 days, and it's scheduled for opening in late