. >> so i urge you to consider her, and thank you for your time. >> supervisor safai: thank you, commissioner. next speaker. >> my name is derek tolliver. i'm born and raised here innisk fris -- here in san francisco. both my parents are police officers, so i come from a family of law enforcement. i was one of the founding members of young community developers in 1973, product of san francisco unified school district, a graduate of stanford university. i'm the one that brought deon

j.buchter to san francisco. why did i do it? it was a very, very serious decision that i had to make to bring someone to san francisco from fresno, and help that the experiment would work, but the reality would be better than i ever dreamed of. i spent over 48 years giving back to the community. i'm a medical sales executive, very successful, and went into coming back and giving back to my community over the last nine years. and when i brought d.j. in, we had an opportunity to bring diversity into a local hires project. i took the chance and put deann

j.buchter in charge, and that was one of the best decisions i could have made because not only his dedication to that project, but the way he led the team and had the interaction with our community at all levels, amongst all races, amongst the young, the old, our seniors, our elders. i look forward to seeing both attorney taylor and deon j.buchter lead us to the next level. thank you. >> supervisor safai: thank you, sir. >> next speaker. >> good morning, chair safai, supervisors yee and stefani. my name is ike kwan. i currently serve as president of the san francisco board of utilities commission.

i am here to express my strong support for d.j.buchter. he's a very strong leader, and i've known him for years. at the neighborhood level, d.j. pushed for joint southeast community facility commission board meetings along with the c.a.c. and the sfpuc in the effort to capture both the concerns and goals of the residents in the bayview, so that time for me as a rookie commissioner, that time was very important and valuable. it was a chance for me to meet people growing up near a waste water plant. my wife grew up near one in chicago. when the wind shifted, it would

ruin your afternoon barbecue. reducing impact is only a start. what struck me about d.j. was his calm, thoughtful demeanor, but underneath, he is driven to rally the community, to effect meaningful change. d.j. listened to all sides and gave attention to his detractors, never taking things personally. this is the true hall mark of a servant leader, which is d.j.'s m.o. we've spent time in his hometown of fresno, or as he says, fres-yes. [inaudible] >> supervisor safai: thank you. thank you, commissioner. next speaker. >> good morning. my name is jay lee and i'm here to speak in support of demali

taylor's nomination to the commission. i'm a san francisco resident, and i've been a resident for 12 years. i've known demali for eight years, during my time here in san francisco, and during that time, i've seen herrin krediblely caring and -- her incredibly caring and dedicated character. just based on her temperament, her character, her experience, i really can't think of anyone better suited to serve on the commission. thank you very much. >> supervisor safai: thank you, sir. next speaker. >> good morning. my name is michael tubac. i'm a partner of demali taylor's. i'm also a former president of

the bar association of san francisco. i've known her for ten years and i'm here to tell you she would make an excellent addition to the police commission. demali is without a doubt at the very top. she is truly an exceptional person and a force of nature. she is everything you would expect. she's smart, hard working, she has great judgment, she's honest, ethical, and she's fair. she's also a true joy to work with. there's literally no one at the office who doesn't get along with her. she treats everyone with the same respect and good cheer, whether that's the senior partner or the administrative staff, so i would like to add my voice to those who would say she would make a great addition to the san francisco police commission. thank you very much. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> good morning.

i'm a san francisco resident, and i've known demali taylor for about ten years. we've been friends, and she is honorable, self-less, and thoughtful. everything he said, as well, and her level of integrity is truly incomparable. as a mother and somebody who has been a student and professional in the bay area, i cannot think of a better person suited for this position. thank you for your time. >> supervisor safai: thank you so much. next speaker. >> good morning. my name is dan booken. i appreciate the opportunity to speak on behalf of demali ta taylor. i've known and worked with her for a decade. you've read and heard today many, many reasons why demali would be a terrific member of the police commission. i'd like to focus on the

characteristics that i've seen from working with her as an attorney. good lawyers are bright, hard working, and skilled. demali is all of these things, but what makes demali a superb lawyer is her judgment. by judgment, i mean being able to get to the heart of issues quickly, to determine what's important and what's not important, what's key and what's just a distraction. such judgment will serve her well, not only in the day-to-day workings of the police commission, but in the often contentious and controversial issues that the commission must deal with. demali will focus on what is really important and will help others do the same. anyone who knows demali will

describe her as being passionate, but she doesn't allow her passion to cloud her

behalf of deon j.buchter on the police commission. i think we've heard from the diversity of san franciscans in of deon j.buchter in terms of his work and dedication to san francisco and our young folks who need some of the biggest

support here in san francisco. i do want to touch on his unselfishness as a member of our community, he became the executive director of the southeast community facility, and he's served as executive director for a while, running his own organization, so to speak. i asked him to come back at the end of the year because i will be gone at the end of the year, and he unselfishly came back at number two when he already had a number one spot. secondly, i just want to state that he's already experienced in working with lauchlt. he led the charge with our chop shop documentary where we talk with law enforcement and talk about what are the issues with law enforcement and community. now he's leading the charge over the white paper that we are finalizing right now to work on the 272 department of

justice recommendations for change in our police department. he's dedicated to our community, and i just want to say no matter whether or not he's from fresno, we are lucky to have him. and just emergenimagine -- [inaudible] >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> todd davis. i just want to say it's amazing the amount of people that came out to speak on both of these pleasure. i've had the pleasure of knowing and working -- people. i've had the pleasure of knowing and working with d.j. for the past ten years. it's always a pleasure working with him, so i just wanted to come up here and speak on his behalf, and my experience -- and the other i thinthings, as parent, i was thinking what amazing role models these people are for our children,

and i think that we shouldn't lose that, that these are two just incredibly intelligent, hard working people who are willing to give back to the community, so as i say, i want to say thank you to them for being able to serve in this role. i'm sure it's not easy. thank you. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, commissioners. my name is jackie flynn. i'm the executive director of the a. philip randolph institute here in san francisco. this is an important decision that requires identifying strong character with integrity and commitment. it also requires someone with nerves of steel. i thank mayor breed and applaud the courage of both nominees to standup and identify themselves as leaders in this city. d.j. can tell you what i do is not easy work, and i've worked alongside d.j. for the last

eight years and he's been an incredible role model for our youth. we've identified social and economic factors that impact our communities, and he's always at the table trying to come up with solutions and craft policy as a response to demand for the demand of police reform. d.j.'s commitment to be a benefit -- would be a benefit to all communities in san francisco. the many issues that plague our city, i'm confident that d.j. will be an asset on the commission because he understands the importance of drafting policy that protects our communities. i feel strongly d.j. will address racial bias issues that have resulted in contentious discussions around tasers and the implementations of all of the d.o.j. recommendations. as a community, we've suffered, we've lost life, trust, identity as one great city, and

i believe that d.j. is committed to improving our city. and i just want to make a final point out of here, miss demali taylor, i don't know you personally, but i'm extremely impressed with your story, your legacy of work and extremely proud to see you as a nominee through the chair. >> supervisor safai: before the next speaker, i'd just remind the audience if you have conversations, please, take them out in the hallway. this is a very small room, and eve the whispers echo. thank you. next speaker. >> my name is kirk grimes, and i am the project manager for the a. philip randolph institute in san francisco. my career includes almost a 16 year career with the san francisco district attorney's

office. for the past eight years i've had the opportunity to serve district eight in many community and workforce programs. i feel that many of the issues the police department is working to over come needs to have a community person that has involved themselves with experience with youth, someone who's on the ground every day. i am supporting d.j.buchter to be supported, to be appointed to the police commission because i believe his experience to this commitment, to community and perspective on community is very much needed to help the commission's effectiveness. as a bayview resident and homeowner, i can tell you that the community perspective that d.j.buchter has to offer is very much needed. and miss taylor, i, too, don't know you, and i worked at the d.a.'s office. you are an inspiration to young black women, and i appreciate you being here, yale and all.

go bears, on that note. thank you very much, commissioners. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> good morning, distinguished police -- i'm sorry, not police, but board of supervisors. it is my honor to present myself in front of you today. i'm sure you know me. i'm yolanda williams. i happen to be one of san francisco's finest, and i want to say first and foremost how refreshing it is so see diversefication occurring. i look forward to both of the mayoral appointments because i think she has selected the right people to do the job that is required right now, which is totally about reform. of course, i do always represent the people of this great city and also my esteemed

members of the office for justice. those were six brave black men who stood up for the right thing, for equity and justice. today i think there's still protests that go on. we need positive role models. we need people that are influential, and both of these commissioners will represent that for us. they are both positive role models in the city and county of san francisco. and i want to remind you that in october 1968 was the first time we had a black police commissioner, and that was dr. william garner, who broke the ranks in support of the officers for justice. we expect that -- we know that these two commissioners would do the same, and i do humbly hope and appreciate that you will support them and let them be our next commissioners. thank you for your time. >> supervisor safai: thank you.

next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is kevin barry, and i have had the privilege of being a friend of demali tailor since the first days of the obama administration. so i got to see her commitment firsthand as a federal prosecutor. it's important to know she was an extremely effective advocate, but it was not skbrust about winning. her guiding principle with everything was to do the right thing, and she did that day in and day out. as you heard from other speakers, her commitment to public service was at its most fierce when it came to helping get justice for victims, especially victims of violent crime and people who are on the margins of society, people who had been forgeten. -- forgotten. while a prosecutor, miss taylor

held the agents and the police officers that she worked with to the absolute highest standards. it's what we needs, and more importantly it's what we deserved as san franciscans. as a 20 year san franciscan, i am graduate identified that the mayor and -- shall graduate identified and the -- gratified that the mayor and the board are considering someone to continue her work on the police commission. thank you. [inaudible] >> i've had the privilege of knowing demali and i've had the privilege of appearing against her in numerous trials, and i have to say i appreciate the fact that she is being considered for this role because i believe there is no one more qualified for this

person. she is a person that has always presented herself professionally even when we have differences of opinion on various matters, and as someone who frequently finds herself in a position as myself where i'm contentiously challenging police officers, working against police officers, trying to expose the issues that they might have, i've always found that demali has handled the situation with grace and intelligence. i think she is a person that would be greatly appreciated to be in this role because she's seen police officers not only as their best but also at their worst. she unders how important it is not just for the persons that they deal with but for the entire justice system as a whole to have officers that the community can rely upon, and people that are functioning and interacting with them can believe in. i wholeheartedly recommend her for this position, and i hope that this committee will consider her for it.

thank you. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> hi. i started a group called sf natives united to really focus on san francisco natives and people of long-term residents who's been here 15 years or more. let's be honest. these two seats represent either a criminal justice attorney background and a community background, so the thing is how are we defining background, and i'm here in opposition of d.j.buchter because that is not how you define community. if you say black community leader, he is not. if you say san francisco community leader, he is not. just because you do app -- an excellent job at a nonprofit, does not make you an excellent

leader. we need to say kenneth harding, we need to say mario woods. they were killed in bayview-hunters point by police officers. the police commission is a serious commission that needs serious representation of san francisco, especially the southeast quarter. and when you say there's members here say we brought him from fresno as an experiment, we don't need an experiment. we don't need no one in that position that does not understand the community and able to bridge that gap between police and community. he has no connection to the community. he spent less than 18 months at the southeast facility. currently now, community members are saying no more transplants. we have so many transplants in the bayview-hunters point that we can no longer keep people. we're losing black people every day. i don't know demali, but she

founds fantastic. she should get it. but mr. buchter, that's not a community seat. if this was a workforce community investment, he could have it. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> thank you, mr. president, supervisors. reverend arnold townsend, although today, i am first vice president of the san francisco branch naacp. we met both these candidates. they appeared before us, and we unanimously supported them for this position. i can -- and like many others, i'm just getting to know miss taylor, but i know mr. buchter and am in strong support of him. san francisco's a place that people come to. i think most of there are a

great -- i think most of the number of great people in this room were not born here. i was born in native american indian clinic because they didn't allow black people in the hospitals. i hope no one will hold that against me. i didn't go to high school in san francisco. i have been here 50 years, so while i wasn't born here, i had the good sense to move here, so that ought to give me some kind of credit, that obviously, i knew where to come to. i don't think that ought to be the only criteria that we use. when i look at all the other criteria, i measures up wonderfully, i and i think you would do -- and i think you and the city would do yourselves well to approve both these candidates. thank you so much. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. >> my name is franco de-costa.

for the last two years i've been in the trenches on the issues of killing and violence. there's a population of about 830,000, 11 districts. i've attended over 282 funerals in the past of four years. i have a grand jury report on the san francisco police department, which i hope you read. i've heard that judges appear before you all linked to the blue panel report. people talk about cops, community oriented policing services, 272 recommendations. what i want to ask the candidates, how come i haven't seen them in the trenches?

the san francisco police commission is dysfunctional, and so is the san francisco police department. for the longest period in the nation, the san francisco police department has been a type of operation and hasn't come back on track. the police commissioner in this case at this time has to have the ability to make changes. good leaders in making changes, not the grand stuff that we have heard. good leaders who know the way, show the way, and go the way and make changes and write reform. thank you very much. >> supervisor safai: thank you. next speaker. you.

>> mr. chair, supervisors, willard duffy. i appreciate your attention in this issue that's been contentious, and working it through, especially since the other confirmation hearing that's happening in washington right now. certainly when the wind shifts in our direction from there, it's not a nice thing. it's all the more important at the local level. >> supervisor safai: thank you. any other members of the public wish to comment on this item. >> yes. let me get my camera. i'm so busy getting everybody else, i need to get my shot. let me just start off by saying as someone said, these are very qualified people and i'm supporting them both. the reason i got out of bed, dressed like this, i'm reading the papers this morning, it says the mayor has criticism. i'm not here to criticize, i'm here to analyze to see if we're going to get what some of the

black people said for our community. i thought the asians was objecting because they didn't have no asians on the commission. if i was to say that, you would say london breed is doing well for them in their community. you can't even have cannabis in their community. when they brought all the heroin and cocaine in our community, i'm just telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help ace god. now i don't know either one of them personally, but i've been hearing good things about them. you all know my name. my name is ace, and i'm on the case. you see, the bottom line is yours truly, ace on the case, is going to be following ought of these departments, particularly the police

department because that calls from the migration report of all the middle class people leaving the city because of our relationship with the police department. the cops from 10, 20 years ago, they're gone. most of them, they're old. the candidates, they need to be trained, so i can go in front of chief scott and tell him things that are not. i can't even go in to the mayor's office saying i was being threatening, but my name is ace, and i'm on the case. >> supervisor safai: thank you. any other members of the public wish to comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. [ gavel ]. >> supervisor safai: okay. so now, the committee can ask any questions now of any of the applicants. supervisor yee?

>> supervisor yee: yes. first, i want to thank the public for coming out and expressing their opinions of whether to support or not support these candidates of the police commission. as you know, many of you have seen other hearings, and this particular commission in the city of san francisco is one of the more important ones. i will assume today wouldn't be any different, you'll spend your time asking questions. so in regards to the two candidates, it's pretty evident that you have good character, you're both bright, so the questioning is not about your character, it's not about how bright you are or whether or not you went to cal.

i don't know what's the best way to ask them questions, both at a time or one at a time? okay. i will pick on the one that went to utah. and it's okay you're from fresno. >> you don't get to choose where you're born. >> supervisor yee: true. some of the questions that i'm going to ask you have been asked of you privately, but this is something that i think should be on record. i just want to hear your opinion in terms of what do you

see the role of the commission in terms of transforming the police department to become one of the best in the nation? there's many positive things about the police department, there's many bad things about the police department as you know about the reform report from the department of justice. can you talk a little bit about that? >> i'm speaking specifically to my mentor, mr. derek tolliver. we had a very good conversation the other day, and we were speaking about the history of the san francisco. there was something i learned from my history teacher in high school, that said if you do not learn the past, you're doomed to repeat it. even when i sit down today and look at the d.o.j.'s recommendations, i want to look back at some things that have historically been done through our police department so we can continue to push forward those department of justice recommendations that we

currently have now. so i think that's going to be huge, is being able to go back, look at the past and look at how we can systemically affect change, systemically. so right now, when we sit down and we look at some of the d.o.j. recommendations, and a lot of which were being pushed forward, let alone, i think we've seen 15 to 20 of the recommendations that folks are going over and had hit. if we don't dig down to the core systemically and help regain public trust with law enforcement, we're doing a disservice, so it's going back, looking at the history, looking at the current d.o.j.'s that we have, and how do we push forward while creating the change systemically. >> supervisor yee: let me ask, there's been a history of racism within the department in terms of, again, i don't want

to color the whole department, but it's come up again and again, whether it's true the text messages or the way they behave. how would you as a commissioner help address that issue? >> well, i definitely think as i stated earlier, we're looking at the bias and we're looking at d.o.j. recommendation three, one of the things that i want to continue to help with is the work that commander lozar is doing. i think that's one of the things we miss out on is the work we're doing to push things forward. just what he's focused on and working on, i would love to be a part of that, if they can continue to engage with community, spend time in community through a variety of events, through a variety of forums, so we can continue to sit down and have those conversations. i also think in this role and

in this position as a commissioner, it's imperative that we spend time in each of the communities. that's how we continue to push forward and make change. that's how we sit back -- and we also have to understand that we all have biases. community leaders have biases, police officers have biases, and until we're able to sit down in rooms and bring that to fruition and say there are biases that exist, and until we sit down and have conversations and work through those biases, they continue to exist. we can't just have two hours of training for our officers and put them back out on the streets to patrol. that's not enough. we need to do more and we need to do better. there needs to be more consistency and more follow up. >> supervisor yee: and you mentioned that it's good for someone to go and understand the needs of the different communities, and there's a lot

of focus in our discussions on the board of supervisors about what's happened with the department or individuals within the department in the african american community, which is rightfully so. we need to have a lot of discussion. and many times, other things get ignored. so without taking away from that discussion, i represent the west side, and i mentioned to both candidates that i've never seen a commissioner at any meeting on the west side. so what is your understanding of the concerns of people living in the west side in terms of law enforcement and so forth? >> i -- so i think that one of the things that we discussed and we talked about supervisor yee is definitely ensuring that we had representation from the

commission there, especially in district seven. and i think by seeing the amount of folks that have come out today, i think you can understand that you can see you have two commissioners that kwo be able to sit down and bridge that divide. we should be able to sit down and here the issues and have discussions over on the west side, to hear not only from those officers and in the command stations, but also have the residents around what those issues are to make sure that everybody's heard. that's what this police commission is about, it's about all communities and all of san francisco, understanding that there are areas that have more issues and more things that we may need to focus on, but we need to be able to do it in

parallel. and i think skbrujust seeing t issues of the commissioners last night, and i think with the addition of demali and i, we would have that and have the capacity to do more. >> supervisor yee: i appreciate that because many times when i'm at community meetings within my own district, people always feel like they're not being heard out there also. the issues are different, and i don't want to undermine anything that we're focusing on -- on the southeast sector or anywhere else in san francisco. one of the concerns that i've often had -- i think a few people have alluded to this. in the old days, i guess, police officers were much more engaged within their

communities and there's different ways to be engaged. so many of our officers don't even live in san francisco, and they get recruited from outside san francisco. this is a concern of mine because i feel it's a disconnect, and as i mentioned to maybe both, maybe only you, that when i grew up, you know, i saw that police officers were not only engaged but they were in these centers that were setup for p.a.l., pal, in the community, and they were actually staffed. somebody actually talked about going on rafting trips, but baseball -- basketball games,

but those type of things have completely disappeared. how would you address san francisco residents when they're young to be interested in law enforcement? >> i think you definitely hit the nail on the head. i believe it's 85% of our officers don't live here in the city. i know when i moved into san francisco, people had this look on their face, like, how can you afford to live here in san francisco, let alone be able to work and live here in the city. so i think one of the things that i focused on just being a young community developer, supervisor yee, is intentionality. i think it's working through our hiring practices. when we get young men and women on the force, it's about being intentional, spending time in our communities. but what we need to do with that intentionality is using the resources that we have in those communities, like community based organizations.

our relationship with usd, with community college of san francisco. i athink in conversations with my uncle -- [inaudible] >> you get t get to understand community that you're serving when you provide time. last night, the conversation at the commission was talking about the homeless issue that we currently have right now, and how our officers are being called, folks are calling 911 when there's homeless encampments. that needs to happen with not only sfpd, but the department

of public health. i think as we think about community, and we think about policing, we need to understand that there's wraparound services in a need to be involved in that. i think we need to better he - he --equip officers with that. we need to be intentional about our system that we create in saying that no, you are going to go spend time in these communities that you're servicing and working in and also understanding that you're here to work for the public. >> supervisor yee: thank you. one of the biggest hottest issues that the board of supervisors has taken up for the last 1.5 years, two years,

including at the police commission, they had to take it up also, is the subject of tasers. and it's a discussion that has taken place at different levels, and it was prop h on the last election in june in which the voters pretty much showed strong support to not support tasers. and it's probably going to come up again and again. the commissioners from last year voted to implement a program and use tasers with adequate training, i guess. and i guess at the board of supervisors budget process, there was a discussion on it again, and there were questions

asked, and the questions were not answered to the satisfaction of many of the supervisors. we ended up taking it out of the budget, so in many ways, that's why i anticipate it'll probably come up again, and when we -- even when we were vetting people that were suggested for the commission -- police commission that is, over the last six months, that question came up over and over again. it was a determining factor for some of the board of supervisors members. so what is your stance and how would you handle that? >> well, i definitely think, i know one, just being a collaborator, being able to sit down and hear from folks on both sides, we also have to sit back and understand that it's been disproportionate, when we look at the use of tasers,

black folks that have been killed by the use of tasers. our officers need to have less lethal ways of engaging with folks when issues do arise. now, i know exactly what you're talking about, supervisor, because i think it was passed 4-3 by our commission at the last meeting. but i think what we need to do is sit down and look at what's been put before us and figure out the protocols and systems are properly put in place for implementation. that's how i base my moral values. if things are properly put in place for our officers to be able to go out to have something that's less lethal -- let's not forget, this was a department of justice recommendation. we see it in other departments, whether it's b.a.r.t., whether it's oakland, there's other

departments that have it, and this is one of the department of justice's recommendations. we need to make sure that there's proper proet cal systems and impl willment -- protocol systems and implementation if that's the route that we so choose. >> supervisor yee: i think all i can do is ask the question at this point. you have no record of where you stand on that, so it's hard to judge which direction you would go. somebody else might ask how did you vote on prop 8, but i won't. maybe i'll bring up miss taylor. >> supervisor safai: supervisor, i'm sorry. yeah. i think it would be better to just go through the series of questions. if you want to ask d.j. some questions, yeah, that would be

better so we don't jump around. >> supervisor stefani: so thank you for meeting with me. it's one of those meetings that i didn't want to end, both being from the central valley. i was born here in san francisco, but both my parents took me out of here without any consent, and i grew up in merced for a little bit, so we bonded over there. but when you and i were speaking, i was actually impressed with one of the subjects that you brought up, which was mental health for our officers. we know as a local government, providing public safety to our citizens is one of our core functions and it's one of our most important. unless we have a police force that the community respects,

that the community feels comfortable with, we will not be able to fulfill that obligation, and obviously, there are a lot of reasons why the community does not trust the police, and it's something that we've discussed. and i just, in bridging those gaps and really taking into consideration, like you said, the health of our officers and the implicit bias training, just, if you can expand on what you were thinking around the mental health aspect for our officers and maybe around the implicit bias training, i think that's important to me. >> i think one of the community members, as she stated when we had a conversation with the naacp, that was something that definitely came up and came forward. as we continue to go out, and we think about the job that we're asking these men and women to do on a daily basis, i think sometimes we don't take into consideration the things that they see, the things that

they encounter, the things that they hear, the things that they have to do and really taking a step back as we look at our law enforcement members to say we know that you are dealing with traumatic instances and issues on a daily basis, and we want to make sure that we provide you with the services and resources that you need as well so that you can go out and provide the best patrolling that you can do. i think we provide a disserve if we have law enforcement that's out there with trauma, substance abuse issues, drug abuse issues that we may not know about, and we're asking these folk to see go out and police and protect our communities. that can't happen. so what are we doing to make sure they get the assistance

and help that they need while we're also protecting folks in the communities. >> supervisor safai: do you have any additional -- okay. so there's been a lot of conversation regarding the d.o.j.'s report, 272 recommendations. talk about some of the -- or talk about some of the issues from that report that jumped out at you that you think are important, that's something that you might want to focus on as an active member of the commission. >> so really, when i sat down and looked at the department of justice recommendations, some of the ones that stood out to me that i'm currently focused on now, so really looking at 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 and really looking at the implicit biases, we look at our community officers and ask, are we doing enough? what are the opportunities that are there for them to be able

to spend time outside of work, to spend time within community? because if we are going to bridge the gap between community and our law enforcement, we have to have the time invested. i've sat with all of you, and i've said, so goes the administration, so goes our nation, so goes california. also looking at the d.o.j., i really want to focus on 5.1 through 5.4, looking at our hiring practices. how are we engaging that folks that want to come into the police department? what are we doing with those individuals? and i really think a lot of it kind of goes hand in hand. if we're spending time in the elementary schools and middle schools and we're getting young people excited about what it

actually means to protect and serve their own communities, then it allows us to say we know that young person, they got to spend time with law enforcement. they understand what it means to protect and serve, and those are the individuals that we want in our communities, individuals that live in our communities, to then come work in law enforcement to protect and serve within those communities. and also, within hiring, too, i want to sit back and make sure that we're looking at the processes and evaluations that we have set in place for those individuals who get promoted currently right now there's no evaluation program. there's no metrics set in place to say this individual should be at this range, and i think that needs to change. i think we have a chief of police that's here now, we have an evaluation process that we can look at the metrics which

we hope people to a certain standard? so those are just two, supervisor safai, just definitely looking at our hiring practices -- >> supervisor safai: hold on one second. folks, if you have conversation, you need to go out in the hallway. continue. >> i also want to enhance that the recommendations that we already have in place. >> supervisor safai: got it. so one of the things -- a vast majority -- we haven't really talked about this today. a vast majority of your job will be being involved in disciplinary cases. it's one of the reasons that we have a disproportionate number of people that are attorneys by training that are involved in or that have been involved in

the prosecutorial process. have you been involved in disciplinary cases, and how do you think you'll approach that. we'll talk about that a little bit. >> yeah, no. one, it's actually twofold. in my line of work, i've spent a lot of time in disciplinary hearings as it relates to our department. also as an organization, we spent a lot of time working with young men and women and working to get them into the trades. [inaudible] >> -- the process, there should be certain portions of recommendations brought to meet

and confer because i do think there needs to be room for conversation and negotiation around problems that arise. however sometimes when we take a full recommendation to meet and confer it can kind of hold up the process of things that need to push forward. so i think given my background, working with young community developers as executive director and spending time with our brothers and sisters in some of the unions that we spend time with, really being able to sit down, look at meet and confer, being able to negotiate, i think i do actually have that set of skills that i can bring forward to the commission. >> supervisor safai: and i think we're at a precipice and a cross roads with this commission. i think the reason there's been so much focus -- one of the reasons there's been a lot of

focus and consternation and activism around this commission is because of the conversation around reform, whether it's reform within the department, reform within interacting with immunity and however you define that, community members, how you're interacting with the reform and the process by which you're interacting with communities most impacted by vials and the history of violence. talk about that a little bit, because that is truly in my opinion having sat through milt i am hearings and having gone through multiple applicants for this commission, the real charge is how are you going to approach reform? >> when i sit down, and i think will reform, i think about some

conversations that we had the other day, and i think about this term of safety with respect, safety with respect. so as we sit down -- and we know there's 272 recommendations, we have to actively and aggressively push forward reform, but we only do it working collaboratively. it's conversations with the commission, it's conversations with folks within the department, it's conversations with folks on the p.o.a., it's conversations with folks on the board of supervisors, but it all has to be done in parallel in order for us to move expeditiously, which is one of the charges that we have and one of the charges that i would love to push forward, supervisor safai. >> supervisor safai: thank you. i don't have any additional -- i just want to make a comment. i think, again, having gone

through the process with multiple candidates, i will say i think the things that i'm looking for to put forward with new commissioners are the able to see through a conversation. i think there's a different of being firm and engaging with the police department, but at the same time, understanding the need for an aggressive measure to impose public safety because that's quite frankly in terms of the amount of e-mails and outreach we get on a daily basis, there's a lot of concern of public safety, so you're balancing these needs. i will say one other thing that i would leave you with is from folks at least in my district, i have about 90% of the

ingleside police station is in my district. it is one of the police districts that is used for new cadets. we're constantly about 20 to 30 officers under staffed, based on where things are. i know that mayor breed has made a push in her budget this most recent year to increase the number of officers, but every time that's increased, you have atrition and retirement, so how will you approach that while at the same time thinking about community engagement, community balancing and thinking about those desires. >> yeah. i think you hit the nail on the head. it's being able to juggle and balance all of those insultly. when we understand there's going to be