this was before commissioners elias and i came onto the commission, and i -- i think we're all grateful for the work of the -- of the commissioners present and who are on fire who stopped this process in its tracks because the police commission was cut out of the m.o.u. for -- for whatever reasons. commissioner hirsch stepped in and drafted the majority of this m.o.u. i -- when i came on, i had some discussions with cal d.o.j., and they wanted -- they had some concerns about how we worked together to ensure that, you know, they're the independent oversight agency over the reform process as an outside agency. we are -- well, the police commission, this is our jurisdiction. we have complete authority and control over the end product in

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-- from expressing their concerns about or during the reform and oversight process that they're conducting. i thought that was a very long explanation. >> can i ask a question? so what it reads though -- and i will need the city attorney here because it says that the commission agrees to sign an additional commissioner which we have assigned commissioners to do committee work and things like that. but to act on behalf of the commissioner for the duration. i'm not really sure when it says "to act on behalf of." i'm not sure if one commissioner makes a decision and that we would make a decision as a who whole. >> if the attorney can help us. >> so the commissioner has to act as a body in order for any action item. if you delegate that authority

and you are able to do that. and that is what item four, open lines of communication, in the addendum does for that purpose. you have limit it, obviously, if you want it to be for a certain contact, i think that the point that the commissioner mazzucco was making is for purposes of section 2b of the addendum when we're talking about and they wanted it to not be a representative of the commission as set forth of the open lines of communication but that it be a total commission action. >> my suggestion that we have two commissioners, a primary and a secondary, assigned to work with this group, knowing that they'll have input as to what is happening but any decision that has been made has to come back to the commission. so the word "act" might be confusing there. it can't be just one

commissioner, because that is too limiting. it should be a senior and a junior commissioner and at some point when the senior commissioner feels ready and the junior commissioner feels ready they can flip. and the junior commissioner can become the key point of contact. the commission makes the decisions. >> and that was the intention and now i see that the language could -- well, anyways, i'm not opposed to that and i'm not opposed to having -- obviously, it was the action. there was no intention that there would be action on behalf of the whole commission. but there's not any actual, i mean, there's input that we can give but that process exists independently. there's nothing that we do that affects their decisions. >> in the report. >> in the report.

and they -- and i think that rightfully so, they feel very strongly that there's nothing that we shouldn't give the appearance of any way to being able to influence their report. this language was hashed out over the series of weeks and that ended about a month ago or so. but i'm happy to reopen talks if there's a desire for change. >> mr. hiive, what would you recommend -- mr. hirsch, what would you recommend? >> commissioner hirsch: i would say two commissioners to represent the commission and i would make that motion just to change that. >> so i suggest then that we take it off calendar or just continue the matter, contact, because ultimately everybody has to stand on and so to ensure that they're going to sign on.

i was going to say that we could revise section 4 to say that the commission agrees to assign two individual commissioners as a point of contact for this m.o.u. and deleting any word of to "act on" to just be the point of contact. >> let's just do it and take it back to them as a done deal. >> that's fine, i absolutely agree. i like the language that you're using "as a point of contact" as to "act." >> i will provide it to april. anyone want to hear that language again? >> check 2b. that's why we're starting with 4 because then it's -- it was taken back into 2a. >> okay. so on open lines of communication in the addendum, page 3, 2f, revising and adding in section 4c, the commission

agrees to assign two individual commissioners as a point of contact for this m.o.u. >> okay, that sounds perfect. >> we will leave 2b -- >> 2b will be commissioners, right? >> it says with representative -- with representatives. >> representatives? >> so i understand, please correct me if i'm wrong, that we will revise this to say that cal d.o.j. will consult with the commission and deleting "representatives" and deleting "4c." cal d.o.j. will look at implementing those reforms. >> okay, that looks good, sounds good. >> there's one other small issue with reference to -- on the addendum, page 2. section 2c. under 2.

the consultant. the language reads, that is not in place yet, it's not -- so we just at this point that is not a finalidessed piece but it's -- finalized piece but it's not necessary to finalize it to adopt the cal d.o.j. >> so separately is it the commission's desire to have the word "plan" come before the commission? and if so we will place that on the item. >> so basically when (indiscernible) we want it to come before the full commission. >> they do? >> yeah, that's what we were saying. >> so i think that we're past the dates -- i think that it's been finalized. >> it's functional right now. >> well, there was -- there was -- and i participated on at least a handful of calls.

>> (indiscernible). >> no, the work plan. the work plan is a document that outlines how all of the different parties will be working together throughout this process. that went through a number of revisions. oh, vice president mazzucco i think that we were both on the last call and i believe that we were supposed to provide from the commission side any changes within a few days of that last one. so i think that there's a final draft at this point that we have -- we have informally adopted but i think that we certainly -- i don't know that they're going to change it at this point, to be honest, because we did participate during the process. and we raised some concerns and they made -- i think they made all of the changes that we wanted. so i don't know what the best route forward is.

>> so we have two options. we can designate an individual commissioner to sign on behalf of the commission if you like. or you can also just have the work plan come in the future for adoption by the commission for final signature. >> this is the hillard hines work plan, isn't it? it's the third-party work plan? >> yeah. >> you provided some of the input that -- >> right. >> some of your changes were actually made. >> when the usdoj was involved did they approve the hillard heins work plan back then? >> yeah. >> so o do we feel the need to o it now. >> i don't feel the need. >> we did participate and our role was not limited. we did speak a lot. so i think that at this point, i mean, i feel comfortable just -- >> you feel comfortable? i just want to be clear that we need a signature line on that document it appears. i don't think that we're requesting, the city is not requesting the signature line.

so if you will allow an individual commissioner to sign on behalf of the commission. that would probably be -- that's what i'm hearing. >> i don't think that the vice president would be the appropriate person at this stage. >> i am fine signing it. >> we need to make a motion on that. also move -- >> second. >> second. >> aye. >> so we have wrapped this up. so at this point do i have a motion with reference to adopting the m.o.u. and the addendum of the california state d.o.j. with the changes, i'll ask the deputy attorney to read into -- [laughter]. >> that look. >> i'm sorry. >> we have the changes. the changes and the recommendations to reference to points of contact and do you have a first? >> yes. >> second? >> second. >> any comment with this lawyer talk that you have all just heard? mr. jones. >> my name is john jones, and my

commissions, please, commission. this entire m.o.u. is based on the d.o.j. report issued in october 2016. the public has never really had an opportunity to comment on this report, and in two minutes or a minute and 45 i can't run it down. i want to tell you that i think that the report, the d.o.j. report, was a disgrace. for a lot of reasons. it came down to a time when the san francisco police department had little alternative to acquiesce in the report than to get some kind of court supervision. the police department at that time was some kind of political football with the political lead in san francisco, including this commission, would kick it around to look good. a couple of premises of the

report that i think are remarkable. one, it is not necessarily the fault of the police department. the communities in san francisco don't like it. it is basic to that 2016 report that somehow the police department was wrong because they can't win a popularity contest. i'd also like to state any serious student of statistics would not criticize the conclusions drawn by the department of justice. the report assumes that various constituencies in san francisco offend at the same rate. i don't know what planet you live on, but that's not the case. just want to tell you that this is the first time i've had an opportunity to address the commission on that report and i think that others will feel the same way. it's a crock. >> any further comment on this?

mr. de costa? >> commissioners, you remember when this organizatio, the commy oriented policing services, got outsourced by the department of justice. and many reports done all over the nation, most of the reports are collecting dust on the shelves. now when they came over here, for example, in the first townhall meeting which was held in the bayview, there was no proper noticing, very few people were there. so at that time we had a movement going with the maria woods incident and we invited

the cops to our meeting. and then they rarely understood what the community needed. so as the gentlemen said, we the people, we the constituents of san francisco, have not had an opportunity to really comment on the 272 recommendations. and it is kind of disheartening, i use the word "disheartening" for california, the attorney general, to now, you know, get involved in this when if we go to him on the issues of shootings and killings he says that he does not get involved in it. he only gets involved in cases where nobody wanted to get involved. that's what he said when he came to the bayview. and you commissioners have no

clueclue as to what is his role. you should ask him, why is he asking for this memorandum? what is his role going to be? now i hope that you know that they have no funding. >> thank you mr. de costa. thank you. >> i will continue. >> your time is up and we have to keep everyone -- >> (indiscernible). >> any further public comment on this issue? >> the public out here as if we had a copy and we don't have a copy of that. you are talking inserts in these 200 pages that he's talking about, that should be given to the public to be given input on this decision. >> thank you. any further public comment? hearing none public comment is now closed. with reference to the cops report there's been townhall

meetings. there's been commission meetings. there's been presentations at the board of supervisors. multiple presentations. it's been thoroughly covered and i'm surprised that anybody would have missed it. please call the next line item. >> clerk: commissioner, are you going to vote on the motion? >> i'm sorry. all in favor? >> aye. >> clerk: can i read it into the record? i'm sorry. on the motion to approve the addendum to the california department of justice and the san francisco police department m.o.u. with the following amendments for section 1b, will now read "the california d.o.j. will serve as an independent third-party reviewer of the implementation of the report recommendations and issue periodic reports to the public. cal d.o.j. will work with the consultant as set forth in paragraphs a-f below on the

recommendation in the u.s. d.o.j. report. and cal d.o.j. will report on the progress in effectively and timely implementation -- implementing those reforms. cal d.o.j. will cul consult wite entire commission prior to issuing a report on s.f.d.p.'s process in implementing these reforms." moving on to the amendment of section 2b, this will read now "within 30 days of the date of the execution of the consultant's contract, the president, the vice president of the commission on behalf of the commission, san francisco police department, and cal d.o.j. will have a mutual agreeable work plan that sets forth the following." and then the last amendment under item 4, open lines of communication, the commission agrees to assign two individual commissioners as a point of contact for this m.o.u.

>> vice-president mazzucco: all in favor? >> aye. >> vice-president mazzucco: it's unanimous. >> so i would like to actually work on this. there's two roles, i wonder if commissioner hirsch would like to work on this as well? >> commissioner hirsch: i was. i was determined as the contact person. so i can -- >> i would like to appoint you, commissioner hamasaki as the point of contact. >> aye. >> it's done. go for it. [laughter]. >> vice-president mazzucco: call the next line item,. >> clerk: item 5, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. speaker shall address the remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or d.p.a. personnel. under police commission rules of order during public comment

neither police or personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public. but they may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and d.p.a. personnel should refrain, however, from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. please keep your comments to two minutes. >> vice-president mazzucco: mr. de costa? >> on august 13th, my good friend joseph, known as "jungle" was ambushed. he was shot five times and one bullet was lodged in his head. i was working in my office and when i got the information i rushed to the san france general hospital where my point of contact within the san francisco general hospital of giving me the update every half an hour.

about 1 1/2 hours, while i was at the hospital, i was getting some contradictions that the san francisco police department declared the gentleman dead. and i've written this information to the chief of police, chief scott, and i haven't heard back from him. now you must remember that some of the advocates were there to stop this incident going out of control. and while we were channeling our good energy to bring about peace, somebody from the san francisco police department acted very callously. so you commissioners i see are deliberating about this that and

the other. but to fine-tune such incidents there must be a debriefing with the public. with the public in. much like you saying that 272 recommendations are discussed at some meeting. they were not. they were discussed with a grand jury report, the blue panel report, always a hodgepodge. and we are fed up. that's why i say... >> (indiscernible) next speaker. >> all right, i was respectfully ask to explain and assign and demonstrate the reasons why i feel that the investigation should be done on all of the catholic churches that are located in san francisco because i feel that they're full of

pedophiles and children are being raped in the system while going to church. as demonstrated with a copy of my research so far has produced as follows: not only is the whole country reeling from the catholic church's allegations of raping people but groups called for an investigation in california. in fact, the world-wide international united nations committee conducted and denounced the vatican church for systematically adopting and allowing priests to rape and molest tens of thousands of children over the past decades and urged to open up its files on pedophiles and those who conceal their crimes. there was a grand jury report in pennsylvania detailing hundreds

of previously unknown special sexual abuse cases. and also going across california and asked how many more victims are out there and how many more abusive police are still left unexposed. one of those points that really touches me because there's four sisters -- there's four sisters that were abused and raped by the same within one church. these sisters explain how they were raped by the same police. carolyn was younger than 2 years old when she was first sexually harassed by a priest, okay? all five sisters were sexually abused by all -- >> next speaker. thank you, sir. next speaker. hearing none, public comment is now closed. call the next line item. miss brown, i didn't see you.

>> i'd like to use the overhead, please. again, my son, aubrey, who was murdered august 14, 2006, as i came up before i still haven't heard anything on my son's case. and as i do every wednesday, i am bringing the names of the perpetrators that murdered my son. these names are down on his file at 850 bryant in the homicide room. these names are thomas hannibal, which is still out there, doing his thing. he's a comedian on facebook.

and paris, and andrew, and jason thomas, and marcus quarter, one of them is deceased. paris moffett. released from jail or prison, is going about his life as if he didn't do anything. and me, i'm still out here looking for justice for my son. and these people get a second chance and my son doesn't have a second chance. i always say that these are the things that we had happened when my son was murdered. i have to carry these pictures all the time to say what happened to my son. when we should have a venue. there is my son laying in the casket. this is what i have to remember. i know that people don't like looking at it but this was my reality. no one else's.

this is my son. this is my son with his mother standing over his casket. my son had a father and a moth mother. thank you. >> thank you, miss brown. as we do each week miss brown comes forward to talk about the motor of her son, aubrey. and if anybody in the public has any information the san francisco tipline is 415-575 415-575-4444. and hopefully someone will come forward at some point to help to make this case. thank you, miss brown. further comment? hearing none, public comment is now closed. please call the next line item. >> clerk: for item 4 i would like to announce to the public that copies of the m.o.u. and the addendum were on the table and in the binder containing the information that was discussed tonight and the commission

office will post the signed m.o.u. along with the amendments made tonight with the addendum on the commission website. >> thank you. call the next line item. >> clerk: public comment on all matters to item 8 below, closed session, on vote whether to hold item 8 in closed section. >> public comment is now closed. call the next line item. >> wait, wait, wait. >> i would say that you have some cases that you're citing on that there, and they use those cases as a memorandum of authority in order to have a closed session? and then you want to have input why it should not be a closed session? it's just like why should we have a public comment if you've got an addendum of points and authority in cases that you're going to use to cite. >> i agree. good call. any further public comment? hearing none, public comment is closed and call the next line item. >> clerk: vote on whether to hold item 8 in closed session,

including a vote on whether to assert the attorney/client privilege with items 8, b and c, san francisco administrative section code 63.10 action. >> vice-president mazzucco: we have a motion. >> so moved. >> second. >> vice-president mazzucco: all in favor. thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen and we're now moving to closed session.

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