are being provided in plans. if we are already -- if a member is already covered in getting this service through the plan, is it an overlay? best doctors do that. quiet -- while i appreciate the analysis, is very informative and very thorough. this is kind of where we need to ultimately try to get to as to whether best doctors, because -- whatever it is per member per month cost, layered on top of whatever else we are doing. so somehow, we need to get to that point of analysis now that the side-by-side chart -- it was profoundly informative for me. that is really the answer we are seeking. whether we need to have the best overlay or are we already getting that through the health plans we additionally, why can't some of these things be the same

at a threshold level? in one case, you seem to be able to go out on your own and initiate this process. the other, you must go through the pcc. people may have a problem with that. the doctor had said this is what i think now you are challenging what i think, or what i am recommending for you. it is pushing the member or the patient, in this case and a bit of a fix. by best doctors being a third party, you are relieved of that pressure and that patient-doctor interaction. i'm just saying that this is not the end of the discussion. we have to, kind of, get to the original question. this will be helpful to get there. >> vice president follansbee: thank you very much for this overview. as someone who is a retired physician, and worked for all these health plans at one point or another, my contract was

there but then i was a kaiser physician in the last half of my career. the system is much more complex than this. i think that it's hard to codify that. the thing that i am impressed by in this presentation is the best doctors claims to really get the case initially reviewed, and then forwarded to a physician and it really was an expert in the issue that the members are asking review of. none of these plans seem to do that. none of these actually seem to, on the surface, you know, some of them are member initiated. i want to see dr so-and-so because my neighbour like her or him or whatever. otherwise, you can pick someone and we will go to mother. so there is still not a lot of patient member engagement in

feeling trust that this opinion is actually reflective of another level of review. i will tell you that i know that in some health plans, certain surgical procedures are -- or oncology care is reviewed by a whole team of doctors and pathologists and nurses. so they are getting multiple opinions to come up with a treatment plan that made it look like one doctor decided that i just needed surgery for my breast cancer, but in fact it was a team. it is hard to codify this. i think as we look at our own strategic plan, i will keep coming back to it. and then the complexity of medicine and the need to demand best care, that this does not suffice at all on the surface. for what we want for our members , frankly. >> it's an informative good start. it certainly answers the initial

question. >> president breslin: to me it is informative. united healthcare came out the very best here. they were able to go outside the plan. if you can't go outside your plan, i don't see what good that is. because sometimes the doctors will agree with other doctors. there is some sort of buddy system sometimes. i thought that what united healthcare did was really good here. you could even get a third opinion sometimes. i thought kaiser and blue shield were short and blue shield seem to be really restrictive and kaiser seemed quite restrictive too. so maybe we can do some work on this. may be they can do better than they are doing and be more open about this. >> i agree with all of your comments. this is for a start. it does have to be part of the strategic plan. as we talked about engaging and supporting members and thinking about how do we do that as one,

it may be through existing programs and in enhancing or changing and modifying or through partnerships with outside parties and making sure that those are all lined and providing the support we need for our members under that plan. >> president breslin: interesting, as i recall a report from best doctors, they didn't have any referrals on kaiser. >> they did have quite a few. we are pending, we were hoping we could have updated data for today but hasn't come in from best doctors yet. i think the way that we pose the question to best doctors on the other side of the coin is how are they integrating with the health plans we their relationship due to their business model, with patients so they don't go back to a physician. i think there's opportunity to

try to enhance this service that may be needed by some of our members. >> vice president follansbee: i remember the discussion. i think the discussion was that there were a number of members who have kaiser who have used best doctors. what was the concern from the staff was that kaiser member services was not recommending best doctors to members you may have come to them with concerns about another opinion or the advice they were getting on the didn't seem to understand that best doctors was an option for our health service system members. that was a concern. not that the kaiser members couldn't do it on their own, i think they were. >> thank you. >> president breslin: any other comments? thank you, very much. any public comment? >> good afternoon commissioners.

i am a retired employee. one of the things that i hear from our members who want second and sometimes third opinions is that they really don't want to stay within the network and get the opinions they want to go outside because there is some perception that sometimes within the same medical group or within the same network that there will be more collaboration with the original diagnosis, which may or may not be valid. but i think one of the questions i recall was best doctors was only serving members and not dependence. and when we are looking at -- i actually know dependence that benefited from best doctors but i thought that was mentioned at one of our previous meetings. i know that were the other systems, whether it is kaiser, blue shield or united health care, it is everyone in the system. but i saw the director nodding

your head. best doctors is not restricted to just members. it includes dependence as well. >> correct. >> thank you for that clarification. >> president breslin: any other public comment? seeing none, item number 9, please see eight item nine is action item. cafeteria plan, 2018 annual update. >> chief operating officer. this is the plan year 2019, cafeteria plan document to review. this is an annual thing that i present to the board. it is an action item because of the fact that this is one of our plans documents and any material changes to this document has to be reviewed and approved by the board. this is from section 125 of the internal revenue code. we required to have a complaint document. back in november last year, we had an education session on

section 125 of cafeteria plans and why it's important for us to follow these rules consistently. throughout the membership. included in your pocket is a summary of the changes. there are not that many this year. the first change i would like to draw your attention to is on page 30. it is updating the name of the executive director. the second change is updating on section. >> commissioner ferrigno: , updating on the annual election amount maximum under i.r.s. guidelines. currently the health care fsa is maxed out at 2500 per year. the i.r.s. has increased that so we are increasing that as well to 2,650 per year. in section b. 5.1 and c5 .1 are the same changes. i realize after a thorough review of the plan document that there was one situation that the

plan could terminate that was not included in our rules but we are following operationally. that is a healthcare f.s.a. or dependent care f.s.a. that can terminate situation if the participant does not make the required f.s.a. contribution. and the last change is in section d5 and this is annual changes every year. we update the amount of flex credit amounts for employees who have the flex credit benefit right now. they get extra flex credit earnings for benefits. again, that's updated -- this is updated every year based on the rates you approve in may and june. that concludes the changes for 2019. do you have any questions? >> president breslin: any questions from the board? >> i adopt remove the changes as presented. >> second spew on any public comment?

all those in favor? aye. >> president breslin: all those opposed? it is an economist is unanimous -- it is unanimous to be eight item tennis action item. vote whether to cancel november 9th, 2018 health service board meeting and hold an educational forum. >> i understand that this is tradition at this point and we will have a packed agenda for the november forum. >> i move that we council the regular november board meeting and hold an educational forum. >> second. >> second. >> president breslin: any public comment on this item? all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: anyone opposed? it is unanimous. >> vice president follansbee: may i raise a question to the chair? i heard references to the october meeting. are we meeting in october?

>> yes. >> vice president follansbee: all right. [laughter] >> president breslin: we will discuss the strategic plan and have an action item. all right. item number 11, please. >> clerk: item 11, discussion item. report on network and health plan issues, if any,. >> good afternoon. i am with the sp spe. wanted to provide an update on the progressive coverage that we discussed during the last meeting. the reason that we rolled out this coverage, effective midyear , was because we felt that overall it was a positive or an add-on to existing plants. we wanted to get that out as soon as possible. i did go back to my management team and we did approve to reimburse those members. there were 16 claims in total from january 1st through the

end of june. surge of reimburse those 16 members who received standard progressive lenses. we are in the process of doing that and they will be receiving a reimbursement, in the mail -- check in the mail along with an explanation letter as to why they are receiving this. >> president breslin: thank you. >> vice president follansbee: thank you very much for your prompt response. [laughter] >> thank you. >> president breslin: very good. anybody else? >> i'm from united healthcare. after the august meeting, with the concerns raised about jewish home, we took that back to our organization and did some research on their license. there was some confusion there. i am happy to report that we have been negotiating with them. they have accepted our terms and we are in the contracting face of that. we are bringing in that work for

future. >> vice president follansbee: excellent. >> also, towers, i was advised by my network team that they are also in the work as of june first, 2018. they are a contracted provider now. >> president breslin: excellent. very good. good work. >> vice president follansbee: thank you. >> president breslin: any public comment on this item? so was towers and before? or was it just something new? june 1st. ok. >> good afternoon. i am a retiree and representative of protect our benefits. i want to thank united healthcare for utilizing jewish home for the aging at the tower tower. and not to appear at terribly

greedy, i am wondering about the progress on that sequoia and the heritage. >> i am with united healthcare. i don't have any information or any update on those two at this point but i will take it back and try to report back at the october meeting. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> president breslin: thank you. >> president breslin: that was good news. [laughter] >> president breslin: any other public comment on this item? we will move on to the next item >> clerk: item 12. discussion item. opportunity to place items on future agendas, public comments on matters within the board's jurisdiction. >> president breslin: any ideas on future agendas? ok. nothing from the public on this.

any public comment on this pretty all right. item number 13. >> clerk: item 13, discussion item. opportunity for the public to comment on any other matters within the board's jurisdiction. >> president breslin: you can comment on anything you want here. would anybody like to comment? last chance. i don't see anyone out there. ok. any board comments? all right. moving on cap next item. >> clerk: item 14, action item vote on whether to have a closed session of member appeal. president breslin. >> president breslin: i will need a motion to go into closed session. >> vice president follansbee: i am rules we go into closed session to consider an item. >> second. >> president breslin: ok. any public comment? all those in favor?

>> aye. >> president breslin: any opposed? no. we will now go into closed session. >> we have to vote on number 15 as well. >> president breslin: excuse me, there is one more. >> clerk: we have one more. >> president breslin: ok. >> clerk: item 15, action item vote on whether we have closed session with legal council. one case. president breslin? >> president breslin: i need a motion. >> vice president follansbee: i move we go into closed session for a conference with the legal council on anticipated litigation as the defendant. >> president breslin: ok. >> second. >> president breslin: goods. all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: any opposed? no. >> president breslin: all right, we are back in session. item number 18, please. >> item 18 is action a time. vote to elect whether to

disclose any or all discussion held in closed session. president breslin? >> president breslin: do i have a motion? >> vice president follansbee: i move we do not disclose any of our discussion relative to the closed session. >> second. >> president breslin: . all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: any opposed? it is unanimous. item number 19 please. >> clerk: item 19 just devote to erect any or all discussion held in closed session regarding anticipated litigation, san francisco administrative code 67.12. >> president breslin: ok. i will need a motion on this too >> vice president follansbee: i move that we do not disclose any of the discussion held in closed session regarding anticipated litigation item. >> second. >> president breslin: ok. it has been moved and seconded. all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: any

opposed? it is unanimous. now we have item number 20. >> clerk: eight and 20, action item, possible report on action taken in closed session, governmental code 54957.185. >> president breslin: do i have a motion on this one? >> vice president follansbee: i move that we do not report on any action taken in closed session. >> second. >> president breslin: ok. all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: all those opposed? it is unanimous. item number 21, please. >> clerk: item 29 is action item, possible report on action taken in closed session regarding anticipated litigation >> president breslin: i need a motion on this item.

>> vice president follansbee: i move wheat not report on discussion or actions taken in closed session regarding anticipated litigation. >> second. >> president breslin: all those in favor? >> aye. >> president breslin: no one opposing. we are finished with that. >> i move that we adjourn. >> second. >> president breslin: everyone is in favor of that. >> let's get out of dodge -- dodge.

>> all right. this meeting will come to order. welcome to the, september 12, '13 -- 12, thank you, regular meeting of the public safety and neighborhood services committee. i'm supervisor rafael mandelman, to my right is supervisor ronen, supervisor peskin is not here this morning, and john carroll, and also -- like to thank you tom loftess for staffing this meeting with sf govtv. >> completed copies to be part of the file submitted to the

clerk. items acted on today will appear on the september 18, 2018, agenda unless otherwise stated and communication from supervisor peskin, he is representing the central north coast on the coastal commission. >> thank you. make a motion to excuse member peskin, take that without objection. excused. mr. clerk, first item. >> clerk: hearing to consider the issuance of extension on premise of a type-48 on sale general public premises liquor license to 98 bottles of beer, doing business as bigg. >> good morning, supervisors, sergeant george from the alcohol liaison unit from the san francisco police department. you have a report for bigg.

they have applied to extend their current type-48 license at 98 turk street to include 94 turk street. if approved, allow them to sell off sale beer, wine and distilled spirits. one letter of support -- i mean one letter of protest, 0 letters of support. they are located in plot 176, which is considered a high crime area. census track 125.01, considered a high saturation area. tenderloin station has no opposition. approve with the following recommended conditions. number one, sales of alcohol beverages for consumption off the premise is prohibited. number two, petitioner shall actively monitor the area under their control in effort to prevent the loitering of persons on any property adjacent to the

licensed premise as depicted on the most recent certified abc5257. number three, petitioner responsible for maintaining free of litter the area adjacent to the premise over with i they control as depicted on the most recent certified abc257. number four, no noise shall be audible at any nearby resident and the six consideration points. number five, any graffiti painted or marked upon the premise or any adjacent area under the control of the licensee removed or painted over within 72 hours of being applied. applicant has agreed to all the above listed conditions. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. public comment? >> clerk: i believe the applicant is also present. >> supervisor mandelman: would the applicant like to --

>> good morning, supervisors, my name is pete glikstern. we have been at our location on turk and taylor for i think coming up on two years. it was a little bit of a slow rollout for us, but the bar is reasonably busy, and we are actually renting basically the entire ground floor of the hotel there. and so we have three different retail spaces. we are not applying to expand the premises to all three, but just next door on turk street. the space on 114 taylor is going to be a second salon for glamorama, valencia street mission institution, really great folks, and sort of a good fit because they are going to be

activating a corner during the day into the evening and then we pick up around 4, 5, and go into the night. i think we have done a pretty good job in our small part trying to help things on that corner. we wash the sidewalks, pick up the trash and generate a good little bit of foot traffic. so -- one of the tougher corners in the city still, but we are definitely making a go of it. so -- >> supervisor ronen: i want to say you picked the perfect two supervisors because we share valencia street, and love glamorama. >> they are great folks. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. ok. thanks. so now i will call for any members of the public who want to address us, and i believe mr. nolte, are you speaking on this item?

>> hello, mark nolte. can i have the overhead projector? so, i, first i wanted to point out when the applicant originally applied for a liquor license, one of the things they have to do is post the date of posting, and this picture was taken. you can see it's blank, which means that, well, when somebody walks by, don't know when the 30 days are up to protest or at least send in a letter of support or something. the next issue is i know rafael is new to the, being the chair and on the committee, but i've had to kind of encourage all new members over the years that there is a thing that you have to, applicants need to do, similar to what the -- what the

entertainment commission does, it's in your packet i handed you is do meaningful outreach when there is an alcohol license of some kind coming in. adopting a similar kind of roles because the fact that we have many community groups in the tenderloin and in district 6 and we have five different police districts and because of that, that means we have half of the police districts in our boundaries. and so makes it very hard to oversee how many liquor licenses and entertainment permits and stuff that come into our community and we like to see them all on the same playing field. so, we are not against this license, we are just prying to educate the decision makers how to best be suitable for our community. thank you very much.

>> jordan linger, i'm partners with pete. very excited, thank you for hearing our presenttation today. we took over the bar like pete said about two years ago. it was a 21 club before that for a very, very, very long time. part of the reason we took it over was in working with tenderloin police department, that was notified or designated as a pretty hot block, for better lack of terms and wanted to have someone in there that was a good operator. we operate different spaces around the city and want to take the space next to us to be able to activate it in another more professional, better way. so, i appreciate the gentleman up before us. we did do a significant amount of outreach when we first bought the bar. let the neighborhood know, did

community outreach, but when we did the expansion we did not do as much, we got pretty good overwhelming positive impact or positive feedback when we first bought the bar. so, thank you again. >> supervisor ronen: assuming the date was just an oversight. >> my guess is it got fixed -- abc is pretty on top of that stuff. so i remember, a number of these things that we post, so i remember abc saying hey, guys, you forgot to put the date on so took it down and our 30 days restarted after that, so, we have been kind of in this process now for a few months. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: any other members of the public who want to address this item? if not -- comments are closed. >> supervisor ronen: i did check in with supervisor kim who is the supervisor of the district and she is supportive of this license, so i would like to make a motion to send this item for,

with positive recommendation. >> drafted as a resolution recommending the public convenience necessity will be served. >> supervisor ronen: exactly. >> supervisor mandelman: that would be great and take that without objection. thank you. >> clerk: hearing to consider the premise to premise transfer of a type-21 off sale general beer, wine and distilled liquor license to giovanni specialties llc, doing business as gy have a n italian specialties. >> sergeant george again. report for giovanni italian specialties. if approved, type-21 would allow to sell off sale beer, wine and

distilled. 0 letters of support, and 0 letters of opposition. considered in a high saturation area. central station has no opposition. approve with the following recommended conditions. number one, sales of alcohol beverages permitted between the hours of 10 and 8:00 p.m. daily. number two, no distilled spirits shall be sold in bottles or containers of less than 600 m.l.s. and number three, petitioner shall actively monitor the area under their control and an effort to prevent loitering of persons on any property adjacent to the licensed premise as depicted in the most recent certified abc257. it should be noted the applicant has agreed with the above listed recommended conditions. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. applicant here?

>> how are you? i own several restaurants in san francisco, tony's pizza, cappo's, slice houses and employ about 150 employees in san francisco currently. i have a small retail shop i just opened call giovanni's, and a small area is dedicated to beer, wine and liquor. the store itself is only open 'til 7:00, but allowed 8:00 when i spoke to law law enforcement. this is really important to me having this license, as you know, a lot of businesses in san francisco have been hurting, especially in north beach, and this is a small part of my business but it's a very important part. so, hopefully you can accept this today. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank

you. any members of the public who want to address this item? seeing none, public comment is now closed. and the matter is before us. >> supervisor ronen: happy to make a motion to prepare resolution to affirm that this license meets the public necessity and convenience. >> supervisor mandelman: great. is that what you need? excellent. very good. then we'll take that without objection. thank you. congratulations. and mr. clerk. please call our third item. >> clerk: agenda item three, hearing to consider the issue as of type-42 on sale beer and wine public premises license to lay brothers, llc, doing business as fig and thistle. located at 69-14th street. >> officer patrick maki, and you

have a p.c.n. report for fig and thistle bottle shop. a applied for a type-42 license, and it would allow on sale beer and wine. 0 letters of protest, one letter of support. they are in a low crime area, census 203, high saturation area. northern station has no opposition to the license, and a.l.u. approves with the following recommended conditions. number one, signs shall be posted at a conspicuous space at the entrances or exits of the premises on the form, dated 5-31-18, state the following. no alcoholic beverages beyond this point. said sign no less than seven inches by 11 inches in size and contain lettering no less than one inch in height, and also noted the applicant has agreed with the above listed recommended conditions.

>> supervisor mandelman: applicant is here. >> good morning, supervisors. introduce myself, newy lay, my partner, angel davis and i obviously are here for this reason, and want to just tell a little about ourselves. the space we are opening in was my grandmother and my aunt's deli for 40 years, been there a long time. she still lives upstairs and actually angel lives next to her. we opened fig and thistle about five years ago here in hays valley and would like to open another one. thank you very much for your time, appreciate it. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. are there any members of the public who would like to address this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. i will say that i have met with the applicant. but based on presentation from

the department and what we have heard today i do believe this would be a positive addition, an area that desperately needs more active uses on the ground floor. i know the applicants have been through quite a lot with the city and i am eager to see them move forward. i would entertain a motion to find that this is, that this application meets public and is in the public, is for the public convenience and necessity. >> supervisor ronen: agreed. without objection. >> supervisor mandelman: take it as a motion from supervisor and vice chair ronen, and then we'll take that without objection and congratulations. good luck. open soon. >> supervisor mandelman: mr. clerk. >> clerk: ordinance amending the

police code to require law enforcement officials to provide either a verbal warning or a written warning rather than having to provide a written warning prior to issuing a dispersal order to ensure access to reproductive health care facility. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. >> supervisor ronen: thank you so much. thank you so much, i just wanted to give a little history about this legislation, since it's something that i've been working on for about eight years now as the former legislative aide for former district 9 supervisor. in 2013, after continuous, really disturbing protests outside planned parenthood, which is is in district 9, then supervisor campos created legislation for a 25-foot buffer zone around the clinic where protestors were not allowed to

enter. that legislation was very successful. it really struck the right balance between allowing the protestors to exercise their first amendment right to express their opinion, while allowing women to access essential health care without undue harassment and interference. it worked quite well until very unfortunately and very disturbingly in 2014 the supreme court ruled in the horrible infamous case, mccullough, in massachusetts, the supreme court struck down that law and so we quickly met with the city attorney's office and had to amend our law, again unfortunately, which we had not had to do that. and what we did at that point is that instead of prohibiting any

action within that 25-foot buffer zone, we prohibited harassing or following women or any patient within that 25-foot buffer zone, and that law passed at the very end of 2014, and has been in effect since. i will say it's not as effective as the original law, but at least it provides some freedom from harassment in that area. fast forward to today, when the -- when d.p.w. did the valencia street streetscaping project in front of planned parenthood, they had resurfaced the street and erased the demarcation of the 25-foot buffer zone and somehow the signs came down. we started receiving again complaints from neighbors about it and quickly learned about that, that that factor, and

decided you know, this is a good chance to re-meet to discuss how things are going, and figured out that tline was no longer present and the signs were down, and had an opportunity to talk with the police captain who let us know that unlike any other area of the police code, this law for unknown reasons required a written warning instead of just a verbal warning. and so that's what we are doing today. we are revising the legislation to take out the requirement of a written warning and allow police officers to enforce the ordinance with only a verbal warning. i think this is -- it's really important because frankly what happens is the protestors almost play a cat and mouse game with the police and you know, enter the zone, harass women who

police are not present, and then the minute they see the police, behave themselves and follow the law. we need the police to be nimble so the minute they witness a violation of the law, that they are able to enforce it and that extra step of requiring a written warning, not required in any other area of the police code does not make sense. i'm introducing a simple ordinance today and making a little amendment to make it even clearer, that that makes it clear that the police need only make a verbal, not a written warning. i will say that this legislation is very timely, given president trump's hostility towards women and our ability to control our own reproductive health, and the increasingly hostile supreme

court towards women's right to choose. protestors have become emboldened in san francisco and i will say that while we have always had protests in front of planned parenthood, they have become bigger, more aggressive. you know, we used to have the 40 days of prayer once a year, now we have it twice a year. there was even an abortion holocaust survivors conference held in san francisco, that was incredibly upsetting to many of us, and aside from the usual violent images of bloody and mangled fetus and screaming lies like abortion causes cancer, which is absolutely scientifically not true, the protestors become more aggressive, grabbing on to the gate in back of planned parenthood and shaking it. you know, following women getting very close and screaming, and you know, i can't

tell you how upsetting that is. most women go to planned parenthood not for abortion but to get reproductive health care, for cancer screenings, breast exams, get birth control, but sometimes women are at one of the most difficult times in their entire life when they choose to get an abortion, and to be subjected to that type of violent screaming and harassment is really traumatic. so, you know, we are really happy to have the law on the books, and to make sure that the police can enforce it to the best of their ability, and hope that this will pass unanimously out of committee and at the board of supervisors. and before i open it up to public comment and ask if my colleague has any comments, i wanted to mention that sofia

navaro and naima from planned parenthood are here, and we have another from the police to fill in if there are any questions. any questions or comments? >> supervisor mandelman: i don't have questions. we can hear from sophia. >> supervisor ronen: open up public comment. >> supervisor mandelman: let's open public comments. >> you mentioned everything that i was going to mention. good morning. sophia, v.p. of government relations for planned parenthood in northern california. and here to say thank you, thank you supervisor ronen for all the work that you have done to push this forward. i mean, as you know and you have mentioned it in your speech right now, we currently have patients that come into our health centers and constantly get verbally harassed and we

just feel it's unacceptable and we demand, we demand better for our community and our patients. they deserve a space they can come in, feel safe and get the care that they need and that they rightfully seek. so, i'll keep it brief, as mentioned. but thank you so much. we are in support of this proposed amendment and look forward to continuing to work with your office and captain hart, amazing as well. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. public comment? then we will close public comments. and i will entertain a motion to recommend the item for approval. >> supervisor ronen: motion to amend the ordinance to delete the words written or, we have it there, on line six of page two. i make that motion. >> supervisor mandelman: take that without objection.

>> supervisor ronen: and then i make a motion to send the amended ordinance forward with positive recommendation. >> supervisor mandelman: as well. great. thank you. thank you, vice chair ronen. any other items on the agenda? >> clerk: no further business. >> supervisor mandelman: fantastic. then we are adjourned. thank you.

>> for the first time in nearly two decades fishers have been granted the legal right to sell fish directly to the package right off their boat -- to the public right off their boats in san francisco. it's not only helping local fishers to stay afloat but it's evoking the spirit of the wharf by resurfacing the traditional methods of selling fish. but how is it regulated? and what does it take for a boat to be transported into a floating fish market? find out as we hop on board on this episode of "what's next sf." (♪) we're here with the owner and the captain of the vessel pioneer. it's no coincidence that your boat is called the pioneer because it's doing just that. it's the first boat in san francisco to sell fish directly from the boat.

how did you establish your boat into such a floating fish market? >> well, you know, i always thought that it would be nice to be able to provide fresh fish to the locals because most of the fish markets, you would have to do a large amount of volume in order to bring in enough fish to cover the overhead. when you start selling to the public that volume is much less so it makes it hard to make enough money. so being able to do this is really -- it's a big positive thing i think for the entire community. >> a very positive thing. as a third-generation fisherman joe as his friends call him has been trawling the california waters for sustainably caught seafood since an early age. since obtaining a permit to sell fish directly to the public he is able to serve fish at an affordable price. >> right now we're just selling what a lot of the markets like, flat fish and rock fish and what the public likes. so we have been working for many, many years and putting

cameras in them. there's the ability to short fish and we have panels that we open and close so we target the different species of fish by adjusting the net. and then not only that but then the net sort out the sizes which is really important. >> joe brings in a lot of fish, around 20,000 pounds per fishing trip to be exact. >> we had one day one time that we sold almost 18,000 pounds. >> it's incredible. >> i know, it's hard to imagine. >> but this wasn't always the case for joe. >> the markets that we have left in california, they're few and far between, and they really are restrictive. they'll let you fish for a couple months and shut you down. a lot of times it's rough weather and if you can't make your delivery you will lose your rotation. that's why there's hardly any boats left in california because of the market challenges. my boat was often sitting over here at the dock for years and i couldn't do anything with it because we had no market. the ability to go catch fish is fine, i had the permits, but you

couldn't take them off your boat. >> that was until the port commission of san francisco rallied behind them and voted unanimously to approve a pilot program to allow the fish to be sold directly to consumers right off their boats. >> the purpose of the program is to allow commercial fishers to sell their fish directly from their boats to the end consumer in a safe and orderly manner for the benefit of the overall fishing community at the port of san francisco. we have limited the program to certain types of fish such as salmon, halibut, tuna and rock fish. crab is restricted from this program because we did not want to interfere with the existing crab sales on taylor street and jefferson street. so this is not meant to favor one aspect of the fishing industry more than another. it's to basically to lift up the whole industry together. >> and if joe the program has been doing just that. >> it was almost breathtaking whenever i woke up one morning

and i got my federal receiver, my first receivers license in the mail. and that gave me permission to actually take fish off my boat. once we started to be able to sell, it opened things up a bit. because now that we have that federal permit and i was able to ppetition the city council and getting permission from san francisco to actually use the dock and to sell fish here, it was a big turning point. because we really didn't think or know that we'd get such a positive response from the public. and so we're getting thousands of people coming down here buying fish every week and so that's pretty cool. they like the fish so much that they take pictures of it when they cook it and they send us all of these pictures and then they ask us, you know, constantly for certain types of fish now. and when they come down here the one thing that they say is that they're so amazed that the fish is so fresh they could eat a little bit during the week and it's still fresh all week in the refrigerator. so that's really cool.

>> the fish is very fresh and the price is super. i don't think that you can get it anywhere in the bay area. i can see it, and i can stir fry it, wow, you can do anything you want. i just can say this is a good place to shop and you have a good experience. >> this program supports the strategic plan in terms of engagement, people being connected to the waterfront, and also economic vitality. because it's helping the fishermen to make ends meet. they have no guarantees in their businesses, not like some people, and we want to do everything that we can to help them to have a good and thriving business. >> how does it feel to be able to sell your fish locally kind of in the traditional way, like your grandfather probably did? >> when i was a kid and i used to work in my dad's fish market, a lot of the markets that we

sell to now are second and third and fourth generation markets. so i remember as a kid putting their tags on the boxes of fish that we shipped out of monterey and ship down to l.a. so it's kind of cool that we're still dealing with the same families. and this is probably about the only way that anyone can really survive in california is to sell your own fish. >> one of the advantages of this program is the department people that pull in the fish, they can find out where they caught it and find out more about the fisherman and that adds to their experience. the feedback from the fishers has been very good and the feedback from the customers have very good. and there's a lot of people coming to the wharf now that might not have done so. in fact, there's people that go through the neighboring restaurants that are going to eat fish inside but before they go in they see the action on the dock and they want to kind of look at what's happening on the boat before they go in and they have a meal. so it's generated some

conversation down at the wharf and that's a good thing. >> as you can see by the line forming behind me getting ready to buy fish, the pilot program has been a huge success. for more information visit sfsport.com. (♪) (♪)

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