we need to change the system we don't need to go up the ladder we need to change the corporations we need more women like that and they're out there. >> we get have to get to help them. >> : we'll call this meeting to order. hello and welcome to the tuesday, september 18, 2018, meeting of the san francisco enter townment commission. i'm ben bleiman, commission president, and it's my first time as acting president, so excuse my stumbles. it's the first full meeting for our official executive director,

but she's been acting director for almost an eternity at this point. so we have full faith in her abilities. if you are a member of the public and would like to speak, you can fill out the public speaking cards and can hand it to staff or just come to the microphone when we call you for public comment. we ask that you take the time to turn off your cell phones and put them on silent, including staff and commissioners. i want to thank sfgov tv and media services for sharing this meeting with the public. and we will start with a roll call in just a moment. all right. now we can start with the roll call. >> clerk: [roll call] we have a quorum.

>> commissioner bleiman: thank you. the first order of business is general public comment. is there any public comment for items not on the agenda? >> good evening, commissioners. recently i was very fortunate to attend a summit conducted at the fairmont hotel. i want to say this -- just great ideas, great energy. this body is really doing great things right now. the one thing i want to say, it's frustrating to go through process. it's frustrating to contact all the agencies, knowing which one to prioritize, what fees to pay. the energy and the work, the countless hours, the countless approvals that need to be placed before things can go out in the public, kudos to you guys. i know you are doing a lot of stuff that's outside the scope of just coming to a hearing.

but there's a lot of beneficial material. if people want to contact your office, the process will be more managable. so i hope that you continue to do summits in the future and that people attend because it's worth your time and worthwhile. >> commissioner bleiman: thank you. any additional public comment? seeing none, this agenda item is closed. next up on the agenda, item 2, approval of minutes for both the full august 7, 2018 meeting, and the retreat meeting, which was september 7, 2018. do any commissioners have any changes or corrections to the minutes? >> i move approval of the minutes of both meetings. >> second.

>> clerk: [roll call vote] >> before we do that, we need it do public comment on that. >> commissioner bleiman: is there any public comments on the minutes from august 7, 2018, or september 7, 2018. seeing none, we can move to -- >> clerk: [roll call vote] motion passes. >> commissioner bleiman: excellent. the next item on the agenda is a report from our executive director. >> thank you. hello, commissioners. good evening. i just wanted to say thank you in advance to everyone that's here for your patience tonight

because we have a packed agenda. i want to begin tonight -- we always have a standing item for legislative and policy updates. so i just added to the agenda ab-2020 and sb-905, just in case governor brown had signed into law either of those bills in the last week, which that hasn't happened. so there really isn't any updates since our retreat on that. i do have current items in your binder on those items. if you have any questions, please let me know. as we continue to watch this legislation, i will update you via email if any action is taken and how that may play out in terms of local implementation. moving on for staff and office update, thank you for the kudos, president bleiman. i'm really excited that this is

my first official regularly scheduled meeting as executive director i'm super excited about serving this community and really proud of my staff and my commission and just looking forward to all the great work that i know that we're going to do. moving on, we have, as you all know, hired a second part-time sound inspector. he's occcurrently in training a doing really well. we're going to be taking him out again this friday and i will be joining inspector burke in that training. so i will keep you all on notice of how he's doing. he hopes to actually attend our next meeting on october 2, so you can get a little more face time with him as well. so just under corrective

actions, i did want to update all of you. i know i spoke with everybody individually about this when it happened, but i did have a suspension for public safety for harlot, ec-858 and ec-904. it's been quite a while since we met. that actually occurred over a month ago from august 10-13. it was a 72-hour suspension for public safety. so for more information on that, you can take a look under the executive director report agenda item for documentation of grounds for that. we have been monitoring this establishment as well as working with the police department to mitigate any concerns moving forward. i think the main issue here is that this was a sunday night party that had a few incidents

occur and now they've done away with their planning for sunday parties where they saw issues arise. so i will keep you apprised if anything else comes up around that venue. i think that's all from my -- i actually just wanted to a acknowledge a couple of things. first of all, it is slim's 30th anniversary this week. i attended slim's last night and presented them with a proclamation from mayor breed naming september 17 slim's day in san francisco. it was super fun. i got to introduce the band, built to spill. it was a great moment for me. [laughter] if you are able to go to any of the shows this week, i highly recommend, you know, patronizing their business and any business in the city, actually, that offers entertainment.

go for it. that's what we do. dylan? >> i wanted to take this moment to honor and commemorate an institution that just closed its doors on saturday in the bay area. it's fantasy studios. it's in berkeley, california, but with roots in san francisco. it started out as fantasy records in 1949, which released a lot of jazz, including chet baker and dave brewbeck. it's one of the most iconic, important studios in the world for releasing works by santana and journey, fogerty, chris isaak, all these incredible artists. so i wanted to salute fantasy studios on an incredible run. thank you very much. >> that's it for the director's

report. >> commissioner bleiman: thank you. is there any public comment on the director's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. moving along, next item agenda is a report from our sound inspector, sean burke. >> good evening, inspectors. sean burke here. and i will give you a rundown. you should have a newly landscape-orientation hearing notes in your binder. it gives me an opportunity to explain things a little more clearly in the note section. there were two notice of violations issues, one for stratus at 358 ocean. that was for operating without a permit. that was an establishment or location that had a permit in the past and they're going through a planning issue right now. we've issued them a temporary

permit to operate. and the other was revolution cafe. we gave, on a previous visit, a verbal warning to keep doors closed during entertainment and they were found to have a door open during entertainment performance. we issued a notice of violation there. two citations were issued. club malibu found in excess of their internal sound limit upon testing. and one for underground sf at 424 haight, violation of good neighbor policy, having a door open while entertainment was on. i wanted to bring up an inspection we did at mezzanine after a complaint from hampton inn. we did an outdoor sound test and they were found to be in compliance with the limit set based on the ambient level in

the alley. we had our first outdoor karaoke taco truck, as far as i know, in the city, the loma linda taco truck. it's on the back side of the notes. they were told to get a permit, if they would like to do this in the future, and we'll continue to monitor that location on bayshore. and then a newer establishment called junior, 2425 24th street had a deejay. we visited and let them know about the entertainment commission and what we do and the fact that they need a permit and we've been in touch with them about the permitting process, so that should start soon. in touch with city club. they were approved. you may remember them from a couple of hearings ago. and that's all the latest and

greatest. there's a couple of ongoing complaints section listed there. if you want any updates, i'm happy to give them or if anything needs further explanation. >> i'm curious, i know, inspector forentino is contributing to this or is it just your report? >> it's been either him or alone or i've been out with him. >> got it. as we move forward, now that we have a new inspector, in the past we would get separate reports from separate inspectors, are you planning to consolidate them? >> i think what we'll do is probably i'll just present this information and then i'll know who completed certain actions if we need follow-up. so that will be in notes back in the office, but it will be

presented as though -- or as the enforcement team that we did x, y and z. >> okay, great. i don't know if it's always helpful to know who the inspector is, but in case we need to trace it back. okay. and i have a question about revolution cafe. there was a notice of violation given to them. did they -- they've been verbally warned several times, so i'm wondering, do they have an action plan on how to keep it down? >> this is something we've seen in the past, where management has changed less than the new staff member needs to be retrained. so this is an annual retraining time for revolution cafe. so we're hoping that after this notice of violation, it clears itself up. >> is it the same with club malibu? >> club malibu, complaints resurfaced from neighbors of

club malibu. >> same ones? >> the neighbors, after a quiet period, but same staff. we're not getting complaints every weekend, but a couple of weekends in a row we were. >> okay. thank you. >> thanks. i see that halcyon has had no complaints. >> let me give you an update there. i was going to bring this up and i failed to do so. my apologies. there have been complaints and those complaints did not make it on the list. inspector forentino has received complaints directly and i didn't have the information to put on this sheet. >> and have you visited halcyon

or driven by or done spot checks? >> yes. they've been in come compliance. >> the venue owner has been proactive in reaching out and asking about any complaints that we received. and it's been a practice that the complainants have been reaching out directly to inspector forentino and not leaping out ms. murano and she's in the dark. i had a phone call with her and advised her to please check in with the neighbors and ask them if they have 95 complaints, so then there was a dialogue of emails that happened at the end of today. >> okay. >> this is sort of the growing pains in the process of getting information from field

inspectors and getting them to the office. i will make sure it doesn't happen again. >> okay. >> commissioner bleiman: all right. any public comment on inspector burke's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. the next agenda item is no 5, report from our senior analyst, dylan rice. dylan? >> reporter: thank you, commissioners. good evening. dylan rice, senior analyst for community and cultural events. before i get into my presentation for you, i will report back on some data that i said i would provide at our last retreat, which is the technical assistance and advising data. i went back into my log and these are interactions, occurrences that happened, with event producers, could be by email, a phone call, one-on-one meeting. and so for the last fiscal year,

which ended in june, i served 315 unique producers. and that was -- those were -- some of those were with the sf outdoor events network. some of them were in large groups some were one-on-one. if you include that, there were 145 total occurrences. and then of the occurrences, 82% of them were related to personal outing questions. so who permits what? what is required of the permits? what are the processes? 15% of the interactions are what i call fostering the network. so i'm trying to connect with an event producer on this idea or

trying to learn about best practices and i want to talk to this expert on that. and then they go -- other topics were things like marketing, fundraising -- i forget what else. those are the key data points. in may this year, i started to distinguish between entertainment permits and city-wide and i will have better data for you in the coming months for that. i will get up and do the presentation with the overhead for the next item.

>> is it on? there we go. okay. all right. so here we are. i just wanted to take a step back and say how happy i am to be standing here right now, finally talking about this initiative that's been talked about for well over a year. i'm pleased to do a presentation on the first comprehensive citywide permitting roadmap and resource guide for outdoor events. this is the first time this has happened in the city, where you can find in one location all of the agencies, the rules, permit applications, and best practices and tips and, of course, the fees for putting on an outdoor event. and you may recall, this is --

this initiative is deliverable that was recommended by our previous evaluation report that we did with pacific bridge last year, which was addressing the challenge of low transparency of all the rules and regs. so one of the recommendations was putting together a one-stop guide and fee estimator. sf outdoor event planning and permitting guide, i wanted to distinguish that best practices and feasibility as well as the hard rules and regs, the roadmap of that. so this just was released last -- a week ago friday, the day of the retreat, and we've had an open rate of 28% so far on the first week, so starting to get the word out there. i'm just going to do a quick

overview of the contents of the guide and the permit fee estimator. so right now, we're on the landing page on the entertainment commission website and it's in the outdoor events section. and you can download the guide entirely or you can jump to the particular sections that apply to you, but if we just take a look at the table of contents, we have it divided up into four sections the first is, you know, getting started. the general -- where to begin in the process. what agency do i need to first talk to? and then the next section is, the very granular process of applying for a permit. not just for special events like street fairs, but for parades and activity. an entire, long inventory of the permits and licenses that are in the universe of what you may

need to use. and then, of course, names, emails, phone numbers of the agencies most frequently contacted. part three is a mix of operational rules and permits as well as infrastructure rules and so everything from developing the security plan to an emergency medical plan, everything from neighborhood outreach to alcohol management and licensing. it goes into great detail. and you can find that information there. and then, finally, the appendix is really just a supportive document asianatiatio documentation. we have samples and guidelines and definition of terms, like, what is motorization mean? we have the permitting fee in there.

the goal is to educate and empower event producers and events, so their events are better positions, right, to be more successful, safer, more complai complaint. and i also like to see this tool as a feasibility tool because, you know, there could be -- there could be rules or fees or deadlines that could change your mind or recallibrate plans. i hope that people are empowered by the tool and it can cut down on the rework that may happen and also raising awareness and making people more informed so they can make more informed business decisions. i'm going to -- i'm not going to get into great detail, but i just want to thank commissioner perez for his really terrific,

many, many hours of help in terms of designing the guide and being a great partner with me and i'm trying to make this as user-friendly and intuitive as we can. this is a work in progress. we're going to be updating this at least twice a year, january and july, but as rules change, and as people change, change roles, i think it's going to evolve that way and i want it to be better and better as, you know, it becomes more iterative. i'm going to jump into my favorite part of the guide, which is the permit fee estimator. i get a lot of questions from event producers, how much is it going to cost? it's not necessarily an easy thing to answer because it really depends on what their plans are and what the timing is

and so this is a step in that direction. i will open this right now. this is aggregation and a formula-based tool that tries to think of the most common permits and activities that will come across for an outdoor event. so obviously, street closure permit is common, as well as people may not be aware if you are not just paying the street closure permit fee, but also paying for putting up the signage that says, no cars may park here during these hours, and then the enforcement behind that. so you can measure it based on number of feet and then figure out what the fees will be based on that. for property and well as rec and park participated and they gave

me language and fees to start that conversation, like, what is the -- what is the fee to be considered for an event? food and bev, you can type in the number of facilities, number of days, and then it tells you the estimated permitting fees, which also includes application fees. fire safety. this is going to be -- this is the regulated activity or the regulated substance, material, flame, petroleum, and if you are using it, you click on yes.

why is it not working? there's a glitch, but -- enable editing. that's why. thank you. you will have liquid petroleum, select yes. and it adds it up at the bottom there. and then you have one vendor and one-day event. type in those and add up the total at the bottom. so it's a step towards clarity and transparency. we're in there, too. may require permits from public works and then while it's not a

formula, we do now have easilyer access to police department personnel fees on hourly rates as well as parking control officers and any sort of transit-related fees for rerouting or transit supervisors. it's very holistic. it's very comprehensive. and the goal is not to overwhelm people, but to give them, you know, the ability to toggle back and forth between the sections that apply to them and help save them the time of trying to dig up some of the information and may have the information in their head but not published. that's my very quick presentation for the event. and i am excited and i think that's all for you today. and i want this to be an electronic document.

i didn't want to print out copies for you, because of the paper idea. i want people to use it as an on-line tool that's evolving and want them to find the most up-to-date information and not have something floating around. so i think down the road it will be great if it's html-based, like a customizable tool. but this is laying the foundation for that moving forward. thank you. >> this is a huge accomplishment, so i want to give you silent applause. i know how much effort it takes to coordinate multiple departments with streams of information. so i hope it picks up. i'm curious -- have you gotten feedback from any event

producers that have looked at it and tried to use the calculator or any parts of it? >> yeah. a lot of people are zeroing in on the calculator piece of it. it's purely anecdotal, but people i have talked to are excited to have it. one thing i didn't mention is that i will be doing a survey six months from now to gauge how user-friendly and is it being used a lot or what's the feedback? i'm also going to be asking our collaborating department for feedback. >> one area or sector and make sure that it gets in the hands of them. if you can work with the

supervisors' office to get them out because they don't think to turn to our commission or even the city when it comes to event production. so i think it could be a happyful guide for them. if you can get them into their hands, that would will be great. >> i did share this with supervisor ronen's office and shared it with oewd and she promised she would send it out to people. yeah, think there's -- it could be that kind of work that's always needed. >> great. kudos to you and thank you for your leadership on this. >> thank you. i want to take the opportunity to take this initiative for getting this done. it's a much-needed tool.

being a community organizer myself, it took me years to figure out how to navigate through the permit process, organizing outdoor events. it was frustrating and overwhelming at times. this tool will benefit both parties, so event organizers will have more information and figure out which departments to go to and what is the cost. they will also benefit with organizing being more educated and being more prepared when they get their permits. and i think it will streamline the process both ways. congratulations to you. >> thank you, commissioner. >> i want to echo that this is a huge accomplishment. clawingses. want to congratulate you with

the great reception that it received when i posted it on facebook. the sign of a healthy city is an indicator of a healthy city and culture to have a lot of outdoor activities and events and as someone that planned them myself, it felt like you needed a degree in quantum physics. this is a step in the right direction. and then, there's two things that came to my mind. to reiterate, a lot of the city agencies probably get questions about outdoor events and this is a great focal point for everybody to refer to. you will probably see this goes up and up.

i also think that people will use this calculator to gauge which festival it may be feasible and what may not be. i hope that some other city agencies see this as a shining beacon of hope for what they could accomplish in their own agencies. it will be helpful to have this in other agencies and cities. thank you very much. >> wow. thank you very much. >> commissioner bleiman: any public comment on our senior analyst's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. the next agenda item is number 6, police department comments and questions. any members of the police force here to comment? we're not seeing any, so we'll move along to the next agenda item. next agenda item is number 7,

hearing and possible action regarding the application for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment consent calendar. i will ask director to walk us through consent. >> thank you, president bleiman. on the consent agenda, we have two permit applications for limited live performance permits. one for mystic room & tavern, 417 stockton street, next to the stockton tunnel there. and this previously had a per t permit. it's inside of a hotel. we received support letters. we also have speakeasy ales &

lagers. i think their closest neighbor is over 250 feet away from them. bayview station also signed off. let me know if you have any questions. i do see there are representatives from both in the audience if we need to bring any of them up. >> commissioner bleiman: are there public comments on either agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed >> i would like to make a motion to approve the consent calendar. >> i second. >> clerk: [roll call vote]

we have a quorum. >> commissioner bleiman: so moved. congratulations, your permit applications have been granted. please follow up for next steps. to the regular agenda. i will again ask the director to take us through each item. >> okay. we're beginning this evening with golden state warriors event center. this is an amendment. i want to apologize to everyone up front, i will be talking for 3 minutes to get everything on record, because it's a major permit. so i wanted to just give you some background on this permit. on november 10, 2015, enter townment commission granted conditional approval for permit for golden state warriors event center. and on december 9, 2015, the san francisco board of appeals

upheld the conditional permit. on july 17 this year, gsw arena llc submitted an application for an amendment for this permit. gsw premises encompass blocks 29-32 in mission bay south and includes an event center, which we'll call gsw event center. it will host approximately 60 basketball games a year and 160 nonbasketball events a year. it also includes a plaza located between the event center and get a -- gate house office building and 3rd street plaza. it will host other events and serve as a gathering space as well as a video board to be facing the third street plaza. the purpose of this amendment is to coordinate outside sound and

which programming may or may not be in conjunction with the event occurring inside the event center at the same time. for this amendment application, as you will find in your materials, the conditional permit holder proposes to use the outdoor space for special and nonspecial events as they are defining them. gsw proposed to use the outdoor space for no more than 15 special events, meaning events in 3rd street plaza or gsw premise included, but not limited to movie nights. gsw anticipates that the premises will have amplified sound throughout the year. this includes sound accompanying display of messages, music, video, related to upcoming events on the video board, as well as public address with background music or programmed

events such as harvest festival and public announcements. moving on, they have submitted a noise control plan and this is for separating between what they call special and nonspecial events. this is located as the new exhibit d in your files, if you want it read along with me. i will go through it right now. they proposed for all special events, amplify levels will not be above 200 ambient and offsite nearest sensitive receptor. the time for the levels for 14 of the 15 events shall require sound to end at 11:00 p.m. for one of the 15 events, for sound to end at 1:00 a.m.

generally it will be established such that noise limits will be no more than 8 decibels using l-90 calculation the noise limits for nonspecial events will be no more than zero decibels in the amendmant as not audible. the times for the amplification levels will be from 7:00 a.m. to the later of 10:00 p.m. or 45 minutes after the conclusion of a warriors' home game. on july 17, commission staff sent the amendment to the police department along with the request for the documentation. in 2015, they did not have a recommendation, so they participated this time and

recommended 1-8. in your files, it's incorporated in the draft resolution at the front of your packets and they've been seen and agreed to by the permit holder. to speak about the outreach that the warriors have done, they've been in the course of planning and approval process, dating prior to 2015. the official permit holder has held or participated in 50 meetings with members of the public and various stake holders with the event center and mixed-use development. a summary of public outreach was included. as you can see, the warriors did further outreach for this. there are several letters of support in the file from surrounding neighbors and associations and i wanted to call out a letter from ucsf, as

they are a close, sensitive receptor, though i will say, they are over 300 feet from the property. the warriors looked closely with ucsf recording their proposal for outdoor amplified sound to mitigate concerns from ucsf and revised their noise control plan per ucsf comments. so as stated in the letter, ucsf is not opposed to this application, which we are very happy about. so at our hearing tonight, the entertainment commission needs to consider adopting a resolution here. it's been laid out for you at the beginning of the package and this is reaffirming, one, adopting environmental findings under ceqa. and, two, granting a permit to gsw arena llc for the golden

state warriors event center at mission bay south, blocks 29-32. so, i'm finally done, and i will introduce chief operating officer, stephen collins. he's representing the project tonight and can discuss the amendment in further detail. >> good evening, commissioners,

director bleiman. i'm the chief operating officer for gsw arena llc. by way of background, i started with the warriors in may, 2015, and prior to that, spent 13 years at madison square garden overseeing a variety of venues for madison square garden, including the l.a. forum, chicago theater, beacon theater, and radio city music hall. and another 10 or 12 years of similar experience before that, but i won't bore with you play resume. as we start off tonight, i want to make sure that we're thanking maggie, who has been fantastic in her office and the homeowners, residents, association, local businesses, ucsf and southern station, which we'll get to later in the

presentation, but a fantastic support from those groups and i think very supportive of the project or the amendment. as maggie mentioned, in 2015, i was before the entertainment commission and they granted conditional approval for entertainment. and at that time, we provided a security plan, noise control plan and adopt of a good neighbor policy. ocii approved our signage program, which includes a video board on the plaza. in july, 2018, gsw submitted the application for the committing p.o.e. permit for amplified sound. as maggie mentioned, that

amendment is broken down into two categories -- nonspecial events and special events, which i will take you through and we'll also walk through the noise-control plan for our amplified sound. up on the screen now, to orient everyone, and maybe i can't move the cursor. it's hard to see. the plaza is on the east side here. you see the two. will have to help me go backwards, maggie. on the left side of the screen,

you see the structure. and then you have the plaza with the two green spaces and as maggie mentioned, that plaza is at our front door. and an area we would like to activate for special events. we're calling normal day nonspecial events. hours of operations would be starting at 9:00 a.m. and end at 10:00 p.m. or 45 minutes after a g.s.w. home game and sound at 8 d.b.a., 250 feet from the property line. it would be events that would be general walk in or walk out

announcements. smaller entertainment elements on the plaza, music, small deejay, television broadcast, amplified sound. the day-to-day operation of the venue. we're asking for 15 in a calendar year for special events. it would start at 7:00 a.m., and end at 11:00 p.m., with one event at 1:00 a.m. that would be 8 d.b. and d.b.a. and d.b.c., 250 feet from the property line and at the offsite

residen residence. the main noise control measures, we've committed to a hotline to address complaints. that's 24/7/365. manned location. so it will be accessible, provided for monthly stake holders. and providing outreach as soon as possible. we know that the event will take place. calibrating volume settings 24 hours prior to the period in which we'll use the amplified sound and make sure that we're complying with our proposed limits, particularly measuring the sounds, adjusting the sound immediately, if needed. on the nonspecial events, the first 12 months that we'll commit to measuring the sound to

make sure that we are in compliance and restart a six-month period if demonstrated any exceedances. we'll review data for three years, noise and daddy -- data complaints as well. public outreach, we've had numerous conversation with ucsf, the hospital, also representatives from mission bay c.a.c., life science roundtable, south beach rincon, dog porch, potrero, as well as homeowners of madrone and homeowners association and residents at 330 mission bay boulevard north and

325 china basin street. so that is our presentation. we're very excited to be here tonight, being less than a year out. and i'm happy to take any questions, if anybody should have any. >> commissioner bleiman: i'm sure nobody can compete against the lawyers and the team, i'm sure, for sound mitigation. i'm curious, when you sent out the notice of the phone number. will it be on your website? i -- how are you planning to get the message out for people in

neighborhoods may be able to find this phone number and where does it go to? >> absolutely. great question. there will be numerous ways that they can get the phone number. right now, we are publishing for the stake holders, a newsletter. we' we'll continue to do that outreach. we have our own website. it will be on the website. we have an app that's being developed that will contain a lot of information, basically the same as the website. and they will be able to get to the phone number there. as i mentioned earlier in the presentation, we'll be sending out notifications and the notifications will be accompanied by the phone number as well. as far as where the phone number -- who picks up the phone, as an

arena with the schedule that way expect to have, we have a security command center. that security command center is manned 24/7/365. we call it a unified command center. we have the police department, sfmta, our staff, and other stake holders. and there's an event manager assigned to each one of these events. >> are you planning to do all these 15 events. are the warriors planning to rent out the venue for any usage. it's ancillary to what it taking

inside. also we don't think we can accomplish staying in at the property line. we could have some musical activation on the plaza. we expect things like holiday celebrations, pumpkin patch, outdoor ice skating, 3 on 3 basketball. those type of events. the arena is being controlled by the golden state warriors. we're not outsourcing any operations there. so we will -- we will have people represented, whether we rent it out or not. >> if you do rent it out, it will be contract or letter of intent, and be fully aware of the obligation to us or the city

on the permits, so at least that the renter would know what constraints to work under. [please stand by]

>> that's kind of walk in and

walk out the announcements, like, prepare to go through the magnetometer, and empty your pockets. there might be some sound associated with the activation and the retail that surrounds it. >> obviously, it's a new thing and you want to have a limited impact, but if you're talking about zero dbs 250 feet from your property line and it doesn't affect any other buildings, is there a reason you want to limit it to 15? >> we thought 15 was a reasonable number given the sensitivities around ucsf, the hospital being there, the residence being there. we -- i think in many cases, we're kind of on the line with some of the things that would -- would happen out there, and we want to make sure that the 8 db at the property

line that we're not violating that for a d.j. or a movie night, so we'll be feeling our way through this in terms of, obviously, you know, we're going to aside by everything here, and there may be occasions where we would have to go back to the entertainment commission -- come back to you guys if we exceeded the 15, but we're fairly comfortable that in terms of asking for 8 db off the property line, that the 15 covers us. >> great. >> they would also have the option to apply for one, and we would be available for outreach. >> that would be great. i think in your inaugural year, you'll figure out the kinks. are you planning to have private events or are they clustered in the