option for that application. that would be state funds. ferry vessel, is another option. a capital need that state sources, like up and trade are promising. on the operating side, that is the real challenge. operating sources on mainland san francisco come from general fund taxes and fees. munimobile relies on parking fees for instance where they use revenues and driving revenues to fund transects. on treasure island, we will benefit from the parking fees. we will benefit from the increased general fund revenues that are generated by the development on treasure island. that is already part of our plan on the regional scale, operating funds for transportation do come

from the bridge tolls. ferry, a key primary source of operating funding for them is the bridge tolls. so i mentioned regional measure three, which the voters approved in june. treasure island is eligible for ferry dollars, but we -- there is also, as you pointed out, a very large price tag for the ferry extent -- expansion plan. we do intend and will compete with other projects out there looking for funding for operating sources like that. >> commissioner richardson: we can exercise leadership. so we have all these decisions and agencies, and again, some of ours, we where other hats. and we are part of the discussions on the other scale. i would like for tighter teamwork. now that we are here. at some point, we would like to

hold a conference and invite everybody in. this is where this project, the treasure island development of its kind in the entire country. what we are doing here is actually setting a precedent within transportation and infrastructure and everything that we are doing. we are talking about that right now. and because of the nature of the work, we have the assets and all these players that are in there peerk it is about leadership. we can exercise that leadership. the vision here is let's plan on having everybody here. we want to have everyone here so we can all be on the same page. rule out the plan that they have when they're talking to the port and talking to all the other stakeholders. let's see where we are here. that way, when we come into the supplemental funding, which is really another key that we need to explore right now, how do we

go about doing that? and then if we need to engage others and get the legislature, at least san francisco treasure island, we will know where we are and what the options are. then we can have this elaborate plan. it will be easier for you because you've done all the research now. we would look at what technology do we need to deploy or employee to help us to figure out all of these branches of things that we need to get accomplished. that is the level that i really would like for this to grow and we will help you to pull all this together. that is the take away from all your beautiful presentation. i thank you have really strived to touch all options, as we can see here. this is very impressive. i have commissioner giusti

commenting. i will get back to you. >> commissioner giusti: really quickly, i want to thank you for the presentation. it was fantastic. you can really see the level of thought that had to be put into putting that together. it is quite a jigsaw puzzle. i think my suggestion is it is complicated for us and you can see the amount of questions that we have. i can imagine if i am a person wanting to live on the island. transportation will be one of the first things i consider. that is a great menu of transportation options. cost will end. it might be able to put together some case studies for someone who is living on the island and maybe has a child are working on the island. i was even thinking may be some sort of online rate calculator

where someone could figure out their monthly cost by saying i go to oakland to work five days a week, may be a trip to san francisco and the weekend. something great could plug in the scenarios and say at the edge of the month,, this is about what i would pay. >> thank you. >> commissioner richardson: very brilliant. and a wet piece -- he alluded to , we are telling earlier, so we can break it down. it would be extremely very helpful. so we did the exceptions and then we will catch the exceptions and put together whatever plan we have based on the case studies. and you can do that. >> commissioner lai: i did have one follow-up question that i forgot to ask which has to do with the breakdown of affordability program benefits on slide 19 and 20. i'm a little confused by the below market rate benefits it says that you will receive 21

wait transit rides but also you are receiving the discount of transit pass. >> ok. >> commissioner lai: ok i thank you understand my question >> let me see. let me try. so the below-market rate benefits is intended to be a way for low income households to obtain total credits for the times they need to drive and the way that they can at this total credit is from taking transit. so i am a below market right resident and below market right housing. i buy the discounted transit pass for 50% off. i bought it for 50% off. now when i use that and go on munimobile up i tap on with my cards of the system knows it is me and says ok, there is one trip.

then when i returned back to the island, i tap on in the system says there she is again. another trip. i have done that 20 times. then there is total credit for me so i can receive as cash or as credit on my fasttrack or as transit. there's a different -- multiple different ways we could provide that credit in the form. but the principle is that is how i can get total credit for when i need to drive to food co. on the weekend to speak seven i love that idea. that is amazing because i take munimobile all the time. daily. the biggest issue that annoys me as i see people hopping on the bus and never tapping their card i don't know whether or not they have a multipass or not but i'm guessing most of them are taking a free ride because the driver is in the front and no one is checking and there is no accountability. i think that idea serves two

purposes which also, hopefully will adjust some of the leakage problem that we have. against people an incentive to actually use their pass. obviously that does not cover the population that doesn't have a pass, but again, it is also about building a culture like bob was saying. when other writers see that everyone tops their paths, they have a bit more pressure to also do that. which is great. it is a citywide -- probably not citywide but nationwide problem or we have people writing for free and there is a place for that. that is also a big reason why the government also looks to subsidize transportation because they're there's so much that leakage problem. and to then, and listening to linda's line of questions, i did have a follow-up thoughts on your -- and you are probably already exploring it. in terms of addressing the challenge of finding sources to

address the ongoing operations problems or operation of financial needs, i am hoping that timma is investigating capital market type of solutions finding ways where we can leverage what we have and hopefully reimbursing ourselves with some of that cost. and i have no idea whether or not these are viable or not but hopefully you have a consultant who is working with you on this. for example, advertising opportunities at toll locations. collection of big data, i think a lot of tech companies out there are into that these days. that is a model that exists already in asia and probably in europe too characters finding supplemental ways where it could help us lower our operating costs. not necessarily to further lower the tolls but to lower the transit pass prices, which would

encourage more ridership. just things like that. i'm sure there are lots of great ideas that you are coming up with, but i would love to hear more on that side. >> ok. >> commissioner richardson: thank you. so, yes, i know we are here and there pred.d.a. program expires in 2026. because of all the brother to -- other discussions were talking about, we need to look beyond 2026. because we know that at the onset of the early years, we are not going to get the population but what we are talking about is beyond 2026. it is how can we continue to provide a sound and sustainable transportation for treasure island we god for bid we just limit it to 2026 and then we open a can of worms and to the

opportunity we have to support the city. we want to help you help to design a robust program that will be sustainable. because if we do our job at this front, whoever will cast off will think we have done a greater job. we can do that. i am thinking beyond 2026 which is only a couple of years. we can design something. it will help the city to city and county of san francisco try these loose ends together. we don't have the luxury to be kicking the can down the road. after 2026, we will meet with all these conditions adds there will also be low income people there then. those low income and those seniors, we might have more of that population there. let's decide something and you

have laid down the infrastructure yourself here, which is very impressive. plug in all these other things that -- to make this solid. when we begin the discussion with the stakeholders, my fellow commissioners i trust in doing and help me to take everyone together and we can do that. in one room, in a conference, or whatever, and see how we can continue to roll this out. i think that is the goal that we are striving to accomplish here. and commissioner dunlop? >> commissioner dunlop: i just wanted -- just a quick add on to a suggestion about having actual examples. as the program gets more refined , come back with examples so there's this ongoing thing so

we can look how it will actually affect people who live on the island. thank you. >> commissioner richardson: thank you. i am going to -- any public comment? no public comment. again, the take away for you, rachel, to your agency and director, as we are pleased. we are making exactly -- what you are touching on here is going to help nudge us. we are familiar with all the other initiatives that you might have. but this is really done well and it will help everyone out in resolving issues that we have right now. i am finally going to encourage that you work very closely with the port of san francisco. they provide the entry. the port of san francisco for the last two years, have put together one of its kind in any other agency in the country, in the world and the waterfront

group which was responsible for putting together and updating the land use master plan. pay attention to all the policies they have on transportation. it does come up. if they build their infrastructure on that end, you will benefit from that and vice versa. now we are beginning and talking about faeries on the last presentation, you are asking us about the presentation on ferries and more ferries. they have a long list. they have that information on their end. so why will you bench there will they will provide you with a list of the faeries down that they are already dealing with and the challenges and the improvement they need to have and the certification by the california public utilities commission. all of them have all this wealth of people and information and we need to coordinate with them so

they can help you resolve that problem right there. and then they can tell you what their infrastructure plans are. because we can make a presentation to them and we also are here. if we all talk together and put this plan together, we will be able to solve a lot of problems and you have the capabilities to do that. without any public comment, thank you so much for your work. we will see you again. >> clerk: item number 5, master gas and electrical service work.

>> good morning tech directors. i just want to provide the directors and members of the public an update on a few items that folks may see as they are visiting the island. can you bring -- everybody is familiar that the first sub- phases of work that we are embarking upon on the island and on the southwestern waterfront of treasure island and the areas we've discussed that will be addressing in the next sub phase application are the remainders of the first major phase. but there is work on the eastern shoreline that is going to be taking place in the near future. it is associated with these first sub- phases of work and i

wanted to update you a bit odd on that. specifically, the utility services in support of the first -- of the new residential and the first sub- phase areas. there is a new wastewater treatment plants that we discussed a couple of times and i just mentioned briefly here. but also, the developer will be installing new electrical switches to serve the entire island and relocating the natural gas regulator station from its current location. so the area there in that box is the proposed area for the new wastewater treatment plant. the new electrical search switchgear temporarily will be located here, and then the permanent gas regulator station will be located here. this diagram shows that as well. where those are in relative to

the permanent development of the island. again, the new wastewater treatment plant towards the north end of the island and the permanent electrical switch here would be located in proximity to the new treatment plans and the planning work for the wastewater treatment plant is identifying where those permanent locations will be. and then the permanent gas regulator site near the intersection of fourth and east side avenue, and the area there where it shows the location of the temporary or interim electrical switch. his to the wastewater treatment plant, that project is being developed by the public utilities commission. ticd has received demolition bids for the demolition of structures on that site. and they have interviewed

prospective contractors in looking toward the contract round october 1st. with demolition starting in the late fall. p.u.c., overall is targeting operations in 2022. the initial planning is to provide a wetlands around the wastewater treatment plants that would receive the treated water and polish it before it would be discharged through a storm water outfall to the bay. it would avoid replacing the outfall structure that would go deeper into the bay if we were to discharge the water directly. in addition to the treatment plant, in order to convey flows from the new subdivisions, there will be a temporary force main to take those flows out to the

new treatment plant. the gas regulator station, again , the future gas service will be by pg nt. they are currently our gas supplier. leon the pipeline beneath the bay that brings natural gas to the island. that comes from the east bay. so the new regulator would be located where that line hits the islands coming from the east bay currently, the line is on avenue h. which is across from job corps. that is where the central boiler plant used to be one of the navy operated the base. it had a low pressure distribution system.

pg nt brought to the gas to that location where that primary demand was. but there is gas supply throughout this and treasure island. though systems are owned by tee ida and the navy and the p.u.c. maintained some and our -- on our behalf. eventually they'll be getting out of the gas business as those older systems are retired. with a new permanent regular station would be installed on the eastern shoreline and will supply both our existing system as well as the new distribution systems with customers. electrical switch here, at the existing electrical switch is owned by tee ida and operated by the p.u.c. the switchgear is one of the components because of its age, and it's tolerance for fluctuations in current is one

of the contributing factors to some of our outages on the island. so the replacement of that with interim switchgear will improve service to all of the islands but our electrical supply comes to treasure island via two submarine cables that are fed from the davis substation on the port of oakland and to where the p.u.c. currently maintains our infrastructure, they are intended to be the permanent electrical service provider on the island. all of the new electrical infrastructure will be owned and maintained by the p.u.c. in the future as well. in terms of planning for these changes, our commercial leasing staff have been relocating

commercial tenants to make way for utility improvements in the proximity of the gas regulator and electrical switchgear. evaluating potential impacts in the geotechnical work at the gas regulator station on avenue n. and the layout and operation of the fleamarket. we believe we will be able to maintain the fleamarket throughout these operations. the graduates from the most recent training program are awaiting structures to be removed at the side of the gas regulator and electrical service equipment. they previously -- of the second class abated the structures that were located at the wastewater treatment plant that we will be demolishing shortly -- shortly. as i mentioned, the ticd will be

-- after they demolish the structures, will be doing geotechnical improvements around the gas regulator station and the ultimate screening of that gas regulator and how it will be integrated into the surrounding park design will be addressed by cmg as they move forward with the future sub phase of work. that was the update i wanted to provide and i would be happy to take any questions you may have. >> commissioner richardson: thank you. i will ask the commissioners if you have any questions regarding just completed presentation here commissioner dunlop? >> commissioner dunlop: thank you. i had a question about the p.u.c. and our relationship with them as opposed to pg nt -- pg and e.

there is no problem with the p.u.c. continuing on this. >> currently, they maintain the infrastructure on the island. this is under an agreement with tee ida. in terms of being the permanent electrical service divider, there is not any hurdles to that we are working with ticd at the p.u.c. where they are negotiating and electrical service agreement to memorialize the p.u.c. they will be the electrical service provider to the developments. and the acceptance agreements at companion document to that service agreements. but the approval of those two documents by ticd and ultimately the board of supervisors will memorialize that relationship. >> commissioner dunlop: ok.

this question comes from when there have been power outages, the few that there have been, lately, when you call the p.u.c. , the first thing they usually say is we don't handle treasure island. we don't do that. so i guess, as we move forward, just to make sure that their employees are very aware that we are here and that there are people. >> yeah. we continue to work on education with p.u.c. and 311 staff to ensure that the calls related to all manner of issues at treasure island are appropriately routed and dispatched. >> commissioner richardson: i just have a few questions here and comments. number 1, the electrical infrastructure is owned by tee ida and the navy. what do we get for the navy?

the navy takes care of the side? how is that managed? >> so we have the master cooperative agreement with the navy that we have renewed going back to 1998. under the cooperative agreement, the navy has made the facilities and infrastructure on the island available to tee ida for leasing building one, hanger to, hangar three and other properties with the provision that we put that money back into maintaining utility infrastructure and other infrastructure on the island. so although portions of the infrastructure on lands yet to be transferred from the navy, technically belong to the navy. tida of the p.u.c. at maintain all the infrastructure without distinction. the only differences are

reporting obligations to the state if, for instance, there is a sewage backup on navy owned land to, the navy reports that to the state. if it is on our land, we report that to the state. in terms of the day-to-day physical operations of the infrastructure, that is all through tida and the p.u.c. >> commissioner richardson: thank you. the second thing is that you mentioned that the relocation of the commercial tenants, what is the timeline for the utility improvements? >> we have begun the abatements of buildings in the area where those utility improvements are going to be constructed. and the tida plans to have the contractor demolish those structures in the vicinity of the gas regulator in the spring

of 2019. and then began the geotechnical work in the summer of 2019. the work at the treatment plant site has been paid and is under contract. but those contracts will be expanded to encompass the utility side as well. the intention is to have the gas regulator relocation and the new electrical switch in before 2021 and first occupancy. and then the treatment plant, as you mentioned, is expected to come online in 2022. >> commissioner richardson: the relocation of the commercial tenants. we will work with them to make this less of a headache for them some of them, again, the electrical needs to affect. we can anticipate that having an impact. whatever alternative plan that we have in place needs to be ready. this committee will be entrusted for a periodic update.

in one of the things i was impressed with here that you mentioned, you mentioned about the one treasure island program graduates. they already are now doing the abating of the demolished structures. we also need to convey to the players, the ticd and the development partners, that we have a workforce that is robust that is tight. it is tied to all the work that we are doing on treasure island. any demolition or anything would also be providing opportunities to all these graduates now. we can keep things ongoing. i know that we expect that our partners are also helping us on that end because we want to keep all these things going so we can provide opportunities. it is part of the key part of the development of treasure

island. as we mentioned in the commission meeting. we actually would love another discussion to make sure that we are able to maximize those kinds of training. i know the new mayor and the board of supervisors, this is high on their list. it helps to put san franciscans to work on the island and on the mainland and help to bridge the gap that we have. it is something here that we are handing dirt highly interested in. i know you're on top of that. are there any other public comments on his presentation? on the electrical structure? there is none. let's go to the next item on the agenda. >> clerk: item number 6 is the face update. >> this will be a very quick

update. we will be having the design team for ticd coming to the board beginning in october and through the fall and into the spring to provide more detailed updates on the sub phase application as they move forward i did want to provide you an update of progress and some decisions since the july update that was given to the tid goes to the tida board. so as i mentioned, the design team has a kickoff team with city agencies in july. and the end of this month, they plan to submit a basis of design for this next sub phase, as well as the tentative transfer map. beginning the subdivision mapping promises for this next sub phase.

the mapping process, i don't have a lot of information in the presentation here, but just to describe the steps of the mapping process that will be undertaking this fall until 2019 , there is a tentative transfer map. a final transfer map and then we will be doing a trust exchange with the state lands commission. we will be transferring development parcels to ticd and we will be receiving our next transfer from the navy in the spring of 2019 which will then trigger a second final subdivision and a final transfer map and a second trust exchange with the state. we will have a tentative subdivision map at a final subdivision map. we have a number of mapping processes that we have to move through over the next year and a half.

but really, may focus will be on the engineering and the infrastructure permitting side of the discussion. after the basis of design, which will come in next month, or the end of this month, there will be the formal sub phase application which we expect to come in before the end of the year. the mayor's executive directive from last fall, mayor lead's directive is to approve that application within 90 days. so we are hoping to have that approved by april 1st. there will be quite a bit of information that will be presented to the board in advance of that application but also in the january and february board meetings for your input. and then following the application, ticd will make a

permanent and infrastructure permit submittal and the goal for the mayor's executive directive is to have final subdivision maps and stream improvement permits within nine months of the sub phase application approval. by point of comparison, for sub phase one, we recorded the subdivision map last week. that was three years from sub phase application approval to final map records -- records. there is a lot of support from city agencies, but we will be meaning meeting to do things much differently and much more expediently in this sub phase application to make that target at the end of 2019. so the image here shows the

boundaries of the sub phase application when we presented in july. compared to the major phase planning documents, the major change was the addition of the open space to the east of building three. the southeast corner of the island and to this sub phase and the removal of the portion of the agricultural farm that was in the original major facing diagrams. the area where the agricultural farm was to be located is where we are currently -- the developer currently has the clean soil stockpile. so it wasn't expedient to include that in the sub phase application, but by including the eastern shoreline park in the application, they will be making improvements to the

future home of the sailing centre site as part of the sub phase application. one difference, and you will see as they move through the next slide, in july, they propose to include the pier one on the eastern side of the island in the sub phase application. and they had a small area in the future sports park for stormwater management. what they have found is they need a larger area for the stormwater management. so you see additional space along what is fourth street in the sports recreation area. this was always intended to be part of the stormwater management. but the amount that is necessary for these portions of the eastside development versus a final portion, there is a greater footprint currently.

and then they have taken the pier one out of the sub phase application but added the california right-of-way to the eastern side of the island and the utilities and the infrastructure that they proposed to improve it as part of the sub phase. the main reason for taking pier one out of the scope of work right now, is that as they are planning for vertical developments, they are looking at utilizing the peer for the important assembly of construction materials and as part of facilitating vertical construction. so deferring the permanent improvements to the surface of pier one to allow it to continue to support vertical construction that has been moved forward. a few words on the basis of design report, this was -- we

have a design review and design approval procedures that was part of the d.d.a., as well as the design for development documents. the basis of design report was not part of the process that was described in the d.d.a. but is an outgrowth of the working group that was formed following marilee's executive -- mayor lee directive. is applicable to the sub phase prior to the sub phase application submittal. largely it will summarize design criteria that were approved in prior documents that were reviewed by city agencies. the infrastructure plan, the streetscape master plan, utility master plan and subdivision regulations. it will also identify any infrastructure elements that are unable to conform to the

treasure island subdivision regulations or san francisco standard plans with required to design exceptions. our primary issue here is on utility separations below grade. there are subdivision regulations that call for certain separations between water and storm water and wastewater systems. because we have separate storm and sewage collection systems that most of san francisco has combined systems, and because we have possible water and reclaimed water and a supplemental firewater system, we just have more pipes underground than many streets in san francisco. so there are times when those pipes have to be closer together than the optimal separations that are set forth in the subdivision regulations.

but we will be identifying any of those prior to the submission of the sub phase application so that p.u.c., in particular, is aware of those potential design exceptions that will be requested. also, the purpose here is to flag for what the city agencies, any issues that are going to require extended discussion or analysis prior to the submission of the sub phase application and the permits. the proposed basis of design for the table of contents for the base of design includes the project description for the sub phase, the geotechnical commission. a big area of discussion will be

the street and transportation systems. the area up to hangar two will include where the munimobile bus and a.c. transit buses will be circulating on the island and the layover location next to job corps. there are two critical intersections that will be working with m.t.a. and p.u.c. on the design as well as public works. all of the utility systems that i discussed, as well as the graph design exceptions and some preliminary site and street layout draft drawings, even prior to the sub phase applications. in future presentations that i mentioned, will be coming to the board with feedback on the street networks, circulation and

intersection design, the various open spaces that are part of the sub phase application, as well as another significance undertaking by the developer as part of this is the submission of retail plan to discuss retail programs, for building one and the hangers to-3 this district encompasses the bulk of the mixed-use zoning on the island. so this is really the heart of the retail services area for the island. with that, i will take any questions you may have. >> commissioner richardson: thank you, so much. just listening to you here, all this work that you have been putting in, and you have been carrying off track literally and we are meeting all these milestones, for people who are in the audience watching,

actually building a city within a city is what the treasure island projects are all about. for me, and for us, i think it is very comforting seeing your presentation. you invoke the name of the late mayor lee garrick for the public , we need to be mindful, remember mayor lee last days on earth was holding a meeting with treasure island. he laid out all these plans that you are talking about today. he wanted to make sure that he spent a tremendous amount of time trying to help us to move this project forward. you could see the project was stopped for decades and he came on board and move to that. he also reminded us that treasure island, belonging to san francisco is a project of the region. when i was talking earlier about

the transportation plan, everything that we do here is a testament to the directives which we were given. because this development here will open up north bay significantly for the north america. is a significant given what we are doing here. it is extremely impressive that we are following that. i want to interject here and for further discussions later on, but you always want to drop the line. the memory of work and treasure island development, we sometimes need to start the conversation publicly and privately about how we are going to honour the late mayor. i want to put it out there so that commissioners and everybody will be thinking about your idea does not which relate. again, we have obligations as leaders to pull forward if we

really believe in something, we know how to get it down to convey and rally all the stakeholders. i think it would be befitting at the end of the day that the development of treasure island, significantly reflects on the work, the legacy and the memory of mayor lee and of what he has done here. we are able to do that and it would be significant for this city and for the family and everyone involved. so as we move along, you have laid out all the intricate plans that you put in place, and for the commissioners here, i'm glad to see you all. as you can see, i welcome your participation. this is the committee here, we have an opportunity to get to do that. every time you are here, you are helping to move that along.

we are given that welcome to have all of you in here so we can collectively provide the guidance to our partners and staff and we can get this project moving forward. i presume that you will be back with more. there are so many things in the sub phase application. and all the significant items when you are ready we will be urging you to bring them back. >> we will be beginning with the october meeting of the fault board. we will be bringing updates back to the word and also planning a presentation for the on island port meeting in november. >> commissioner richardson: ok the key date is april 1st. that is when we will have all those target improvements. that is the key. it is really had implications for ticd and for the investors

and for everyone. that date is april 1st. that is what we are striving towards. >> correct. >> commissioner richardson: is there any public comment? thank you. >> thank you, so much for this update. i just had a quick question. i know you have probably mentioned it before, but we are talking about the eastside park and storm water. is that still planned to be like a baseball park there? >> the area just to the north of the eastside residential neighborhood is where the recreation and sports fields will be located. there will just be, along the roadway, there will be a serious of stormwater gardens. kind of separating the sports areas from the public street. but that is intended to be the

recreational component for the island. it is typically depicted as for baseball diamonds, by the open space plan that accompanied the approvals for the d.d.a. calls for it to be a multiuse recreational set of recreational fields. that will ultimately look different than the way it has been depicted in the planning documents because it will be more linear so it can accommodate not only little league or softball, but also supports the gaelic football club or golden gate rugby, having it continued presence on the island where some of the many other programs that those

organizations host on their fields. we have lacrosse tournaments on the island, we have san francisco flag football that plays all of their games on the island. so the thought is to have it be a multi- use field. but planning and configuration is not complete yet. >> commissioner richardson: thank you. thank you to all your staff and thank you for your expertise. we look forward to seeing you at the next treasure island infrastructure and transportation committee. and we are adjourned.

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the baking. after that, my mom and my sister stay and sell the product, retail it. ♪ you know, i don't really think about it. but then when i -- sometimes when i go places and i look and see places put up, oh this is our 50th anniversary and everything and we've been over 100 and that is when it kind of hits me. you know, that geez, we've been here a long time. [applause] ♪ >> a lot of people might ask why our legacy business is important. we all have our own stories to tell about our ancestry. our lineage and i'll use one example of tommy's joint. tommy's joint is a place that my husband went to as a child and he's a fourth generation san franciscan.

it's a place we can still go to today with our children or grandchildren and share the stories of what was san francisco like back in the 1950s. >> i'm the general manager at tommy's joint. people mostly recognize tommy's joint for its murals on the outside of the building. very bright blue. you drive down and see what it is. they know the building. tommy's is a san francisco hoffa, which is a german-style presenting food. we have five different carved meats and we carve it by hand at the station. you prefer it to be carved whether you like your brisket fatty or want it lean. you want your pastrami to be very lean. you can say i want that piece of corn beef and want it cut, you know, very thick and i want

it with some sauerkraut. tell the guys how you want to prepare it and they will do it right in front of you. san francisco's a place that's changing restaurants, except for tommy's joint. tommy's joint has been the same since it opened and that is important. san francisco in general that we don't lose a grip of what san francisco's came from. tommy's is a place that you'll always recognize whenever you lock in the door. you'll see the same staff, the same bartender and have the same meal and that is great. that's important. ♪ >> the service that san francisco heritage offers to the legacy businesses is to

help them with that application process, to make sure that they really recognize about them what it is that makes them so special here in san francisco. ♪ so we'll help them with that application process if, in fact, the board of supervisors does recognize them as a legacy business, then that does entitle them to certain financial benefits from the city of san francisco. but i say really, more importantly, it really brings them public recognition that this is a business in san francisco that has history and that is unique to san francisco. >> it started in june of 1953. ♪ and we make everything from scratch. everything. we started a you -- we started

a off with 12 flavors and mango fruits from the philippines and then started trying them one by one and the family had a whole new clientele. the business really boomed after that. >> i think that the flavors we make reflect the diversity of san francisco. we were really surprised about the legacy project but we were thrilled to be a part of it. businesses come and go in the city. pretty tough for businesss to stay here because it is so expensive and there's so much competition. so for us who have been here all these years and still be popular and to be recognized by the city has been really a huge honor. >> we got a phone call from a

woman who was 91 and she wanted to know if the mitchells still owned it and she was so happy that we were still involved, still the owners. she was our customer in 1953. and she still comes in. but she was just making sure that we were still around and it just makes us feel, you know, very proud that we're carrying on our father's legacy. and that we mean so much to so many people. ♪ >> it provides a perspective. and i think if you only looked at it in the here and now, you're missing the context. for me, legacy businesses, legacy bars and restaurants are really about setting the context for how we come to be where we are today. >> i just think it's part of san francisco. people like to see familiar stuff. at least i know i do.

>> in the 1950s, you could see a picture of tommy's joint and looks exactly the same. we haven't change add thing. >> i remember one lady saying, you know, i've been eating this ice cream since before i was born. and i thought, wow! we have, too. ♪