that house to see whether or not someone is there. there are all kinds of things we asked the officer to do and overtime, you are able to add things to your tool belt, so to speak, that gives you ideas of things to try to figure out whether that person is there. >> i guess, i'll take responsibility. i don't think my question was asked as clear as possible. so, in the situation with the officer goes out there and makes the determination that oh, this look like everything is ok here. is there someone, a supervisor, that reviews that decision, someone with more experience to determine hey, maybe we should take a double check here. maybe we should send someone out again? >> not necessarily. sergeant may be there and a officer may have a conversation, but they're not required to have that conversation with a

supervisor and -- we respond on so many different things. we can have a officer who responds to a simple assault. we don't have them converse with the sergeant in each situation. the sergeant could give them that information and be part of the decision-making in that but there -- if an officer does what a reasonable officer would do, and they're unable to locate the person, if they don't believe there's exceptional circumstances, then they mayor may not go in if there isn't. they may have a conversation with the supervisor or supervisor may they're and have some information to assist but it's not required. >> and just to be clear, regardless of that initial determination, it still is nothing -- the person is not located, found, identified, it still goes to s.i.t. to continue the investigation for 30 days and then it will go to s.v.u. if the person isn't located in that

time? >> when a missing persons report is officially made, a report and they're entered into the missing persons system, then that is assigned a s.i.t. we mayson out on a call that is a well-being check. the individual whose called does not want toe efficientlily make a missing persons report yet. if they do make a missing persons report it's a complete investigation about where that person is until we locate them. >> this brings another question. if they don't make that report, but you feel maybe something is going on here, can you guys initiate -- >> yes. >> we can initiate so many different things to try and locate that person. there may not be a report but the hair on the back of the neck of an officer might say something is not right about this. i want to take some additional actions and discuss it with the sergeant and take actions based on that. that's why we have the ability to enter a premise and do things

that a reasonable person would make whether or not someone makes the missing person report or not. >> ok, thank you. >> you explained some things of what officers do when they look. if you recall that mr. x has not been seen and lives at this address. so you go to the address and look and you mention if mail was piled up or newspapers. you talk to the neighbors to see if they see him. that's part of the initial investigation. so if you saw a mail stacked up on the front door and neighbors say we haven't seen them and they're generally always here, those are things they general follow-up on, even the young officers, i would imagine. >> which would expect the officers in an incident like that to look at the totality of the circumstances in front of them and make a reasonable decision based on that. so yes, you are correct. >> having seen this actually not to long ago, where they put the young officer up on a ladder to look into windows to see if the elder person was fine, they did a lot of that. i saw it in action. it was pretty thorough,

actually. >> for exogen circumstances, the person over the age of 75, was that their reason? >> that's what state law is at this time. >> state law, ok, thank you. >> i have one brief question. you mentioned you won't do a report unless you have face-to-face. what if someone moves to another state. is there a way to have officers in another state confirm that they have done the check and report back? >> yes, that's exactly what we ask our officers to do. we can rely on other law enforcement agencies. we'll ask them to go out. we have someone who is reporting themselves found, this is where they are. can we have an officer respond out and determine the identity of that person. if they confirm it, they will take them out. >> anything further? >> thank you, very much. we greetly appreciate it. >> please call the next line

item. >> item 3b, report on recent d.p.a. activities and announcements. >> how are you? >> fine, thank you. >> good evening. vice president mazzucco. deputy director henderson is attending the national association of annual draining. it's a national organization that is dedicated to the oversight of law enforcement. it's an organization comprised of civilian oversight agencies as well as law enforcement. director henderson and other d.p.a. staff are attending this week-long training conference. it's entitled sustaining reform and advancing justice. any recent d.p.a. activities on saturday, d.p.a. investigator and myself joined the bar association in san francisco public defender event outreach event at john lee recreation center. and i wanted to mention that senior investigator carlos

villarreal who is in the fourth aisle closest to the door he is here if anyone needs information about the department of house accountability or how to file a complaint. that concludes my report. >> any questions for the acting director. >> it's only brief because he is not here. [laughter] >> perfect, thank you. call the next line item. >> 3c, commission reports. commission president reports, commissioner reports. >> i have nothing to report. i want to note that we have one of our police chap lins in the audience tonight. for members of the public, we have a group of police chaplins who are incredible. you may please come forward. i don't ordinarily do this. you've been very helpful. introduce yourself. >> i'm chaplin meghan roar. >> meghan is incredible. she was with us when one of our officers was seriously injured. we have many different faiths.

seeing you here tonight was important. again, it's part of a group that assists the police officers, not only in times of need but they council our officers when they go through traumatic events. they're always here in the hospital when our officers are injured. it's something for the public to see. we have a rabbi, we have catholic priests, we have everybody. we have the whole gamut. i want to thank you for your service. you've been very great. that one particular officer. good to see you here tonight and i appreciate you being here. >> hope to never see you at the hospital again. >> i'm with you. >> anything else you would like to report? >> yes. >> colleagues, this is a very busy weekend. i got the opportunity on saturday the 29th to attend the police officer 50 year anniversary gala event alongside commissioner taylor and i spoke to commissioner hirsch. it was well attended. former mayor willie brown was in

attendance. i want to say congratulations and congratulations to director henderson who was the master of ceremony and did a good job. also i wanted to say, a lot of dignitaries were in attendance and a lot of former officers for justice, presidents were in attendance and one of our former commissioners, suzie locktis and it was well attend and a great event. the food was amazing. congratulations to the police officers for justice for 50 years of service and their club. also, on sunday, september 30th, i got the opportunity to attend the first annual block party. it was in attendance with the community engagement division. the purpose of the even was to meet and greet with community and connect the officers to the merchants and residents in the area. so it was after the china town night out but in a much smaller version. this is a new annual community event that is designed to promote neighborhood camaraderie and strengthen the relationship between police and communities to make you're neighborhoods a

safer place to live. it was free for folks in the community. there were arts and crafts, games, music, food, rock climbing. like i said, some are the partners was sf safe, rec and park was there, the sheriff's department, the san francisco community empowerment network and the port alf family connections. just wanted to say great job to commander lazar, deric brown and his new role, who is here in the audience. it was an over all great weekend. >> thank you, very much. we do a lot of events. it's fun. it's the best part of the commission. you get out to different areas in the community that you wouldn't ordinarily go to. it's great. it's great to know the city that i was born and raised in but for all of us it's a great event. take advantage of all of it. any further reports? >> you are still up there.

>> thank you. i just wanted to announce that this sunday is the 150th annual italian heritage parade in north beach, which is my home district. if you haven't been, it's a -- it's fabulous. it's like a small-town parade in north beach. it's not like anything else you see in san francisco. you get to see sort of the older generation kind of moving into the younger generations that have groner up in north beach. it's a really important part of the community in my direct. i attend every year and i go with my son now. i'll be parked out in front of tony knicks on stockton. this year, it's very exciting. >> i'm cutting him off now.

>> there's a celebrity grand marshall vice president thomas mazzucco, tippy as we know him. he will be dress and appropriate parade. so come and see vice president mazzucco on his float. >> it's quite an honor to represent the community as the civic grand marshall. i've been attending that parade since i was a little boy. it's been a big part of our family. i was shocked i thought they were joking when they called and said would be the civic grand marshall. i said -- anyway, i'll be there. [laughter] >> it's fun to embarrass you. >> thank you. >> anything further? >> please call the next line item. >> this is y3d, commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at future

commission meetings action. >> anything for future items? commissioner dejoe us. >> some community members have brought to my attention that there say big rise in criminalization of the homelessness since the creation of the hsoc. i'm wondering if we can get a status report or some type of report to see if this is true or not and what we're doing about it. it would be good if we can do it in the month of october. >> perfect. we'll put that on calender. i read the article and there's interest in that, yeah. >> anything further? i just want to add that what we're going to do, at some point, now that we have a full compliment of commissioners, we have to sign out some of the committees for our new commissioners. in terms of both the cops d.o.j.

recommendations to force hiring and retention and bias. i do want to spend time with the new commissioners and see what you are interested in. we try to stack the committees with commissioners never more than a quorum. we're pretty open for you to join them. take a look at that and get an idea what you want to be involved in. that's part of the job that the public doesn't see. so that's what i want to add. >> sergeant killshaw. >> our next meeting will be here october 10th at city hall. room 400 and that will begin at 5:30, as usual. and then, this is posted on the commissioner website but the community meetings will begin again and that will -- the first one for 2018 will take place on october 17th out in the taraville district and those community meetings will begin at 6:00 p.m. that will be at saint ignasious

high school and it's already up on our website. >> any public comments? >> i would just say, if we do the item for the criminalization for the homeless, city hall would be a better location. it's easier to get here. >> ok. >> that's the community. >> october 17th. >> sorry. >> any public comment regarding line items 3a-d. >> hi there, it's good to meet you again. we talk about property crime. this is unfair that we have cops doing all this because in one aspect, it's a subsidy for people with property so if you got a lot of property, you are getting a lot more free services

from sfpd that everybody is supporting. we heard briefly about hsoc. i was here september 5th, i talked about the martin v city of boys boise. i saw the city attorney jotting something down at the time. hopefully that will get examined then in a week's time. lastly, it's really difficult for me to hear you can't define discussion. i mean really. you will bring that potter stewart stuff in here. lastly, i'm also pleased that commissioner taylor is here. what i'm hearing is we are fortuitous, otherwise if things had gone differently in election she might be a u.s. attorney right now. pretty good. any further public comments.

hearing none, public comment is closed. call the next line item. >> item 5 discussion and possible action to approve issuance of department bulletin 18-171. department general order 3.01 modifying department general order 5.01 use of force. department bulletin 18-171 updates the procedures to send in a use of force supervisory action. >> good evening. >> once again, perpetual standards housing a written directive unit. any time a bulletin or general order is authorized or amended or changed we bring it before the commission. in this particular case, department involves 18-171 does touch from general order 5.01 and amended in a procedure and so we'll have sergeant stacey youngblood, the subject matter expert in this particular author who will explain the procedure change. >> thank you.

>> sergeant youngblood. >> good evening. >> president mazzucco, commissioners and chief scott. so this is kind of divided into two different break-ups here. this does amend the d.g.o. it does not change the use of force policy. we are changing basically the routing of how the completeddous of force gets back to where they need to go. under our current procedures, the supervisor responds out to the incident where use of force has taken place, they fill out the use of force evaluations and they come back to the station

and then that evaluation is sent to the commanding officer of risk management, right now it's the original copy is sent back to risk management. a copy is sent to the training division. the commanding officer there. and then they also send another copy to that officer's bureau deputy chief. our proposed procedures are tox instead of the routing of all of these different forms mailed to here, sent to these different people, we are just trying to say that we would like them e-mailed. instead of having all these different hard copies going everywhere, we've created three e-mail addresses for the three for the bureau deputy chief and the data collection for r.m.o. as well as for the academy. what we have amended here is stating that the commanding officers or their designated is responsible for sang the scannie end of watch and e-mailing it to risk management office, the academy and the burro bureau dey

chief. the use of force log is still in use. where the commanding officer currently is to sign the use of force log and send it along with a copy of the incident report to the training division, r.m.o. and to the bureau's deputy chief. we are proposing that the commanding officers sign the use of force log, scan the log, and the e-mail it along with a copy of the incident report too much r.m.o. academy in the bureau deputy chief. what that is doing is streamlining the procedure so that we are actually getting it on time, we're getting e-mail and it's easier to receive. we're not waiting for the inner department e-mail to come here. it's less paper and it's less burden on on the station. it's faster delivery and it's also's year for us and the stations to track when it's being e-mailed to us. second part, which doesn't amend the d.g.o. it's just items that were added to the supervisor use

of force evaluation forms. you should have a copy of it. they're all highlighted. everybody that's been changed on there. so first we have -- on the heading, you have an item that says cad advised armed. it wasn't on there before. this is saying that the officer was advised that the subject may have been armed prior to them arriving on scene or making contact with the subject. second is what type of weapon did cad advise that they were holding? second under the subject is sf resident. this was added because a lot of times when we -- our use of force are based on the population of san francisco but not, as you know, the city grows exponentially when we have tourists come here. we wanted to kind of show that we can have the use of force

reflect not just our community but all the people coming into the city where force is being used on people. number two, the subject has been changed to gender. we have added u for unknown and the x for non binary. u for unknown is in a demo incident where an officer may have struck someone with their baton and the person flees into the crowd and they never got to see who that person was, what gender they were, now we have the unknown for that purpose. unrelated complaint of pain. this was originally out in january of 2017. we've learned a lot from all those coming in on what we needed to put into this. this was one that was needed. we had a lot of people who had pain or they were injured but it wasn't necessarily from the use of force that the officer used. maybe they had a broken arm prior. they were in a cast. they have a complaint of pain. they wanted to go to the hospital.

so all the forms were writing complaint of pain but not use of force involved with it. that's why this was in here. we've added admitted. so if the subject was at midded to the hospital after medical treatment. we have the levels of resistance are being sequenced now. so, if a subject, at first is coming in they might be an active resister and they might be assaulted before being compliant. with the supervisors doing is they are sequencing those, 1, 2, 3, which was first and second and third. under officer, again, we do have admitted as well. we have a box for verbal commands issued before force was used. we have verbal warnings issued before a firearm impact weapon or a chemical agent was used. this is specifically to d.g.o.

5.1 that states a member shall give of a warning prior to using a firearm impact weapon. and again, we will specify the sequence of the force used by the officer as well. what did the officer do when he came across the subject? did he use his baton and transition to point of a firearm and he went into physical restraint. we're sequencing that. determination pending an investigation. this wasn't on the original form. basically it just said was the use of force in policy yes or no. we pigeon holed the supervisor into choosing yes or no. a lot of times, such as o.i.s., the determination of whether that is in policy isn't done there by that supervisor. it's sent to the o.i.s. team who does an investigation and that is later determined. they would check the determination pending investigation to show that they're not saying no, he is not in policy, yes is in policy and

it will be determined at a later period of time. under preliminary findings, we have a supervisor completing and a second reviewing supervisor. the reviewing supervisor now it's time for them to sign off for the day. what they can do is they can update the reviewing supervisor on what they've done on that form. they filled it out up to this point. they're going to go home and they're going to relief that supervisor to continue the evaluation. they're going to read off the report. they're going to view the body-worn camera and they're going finish up sending these forms though where they need to be sent. we've added review body-worn camera. which states that we shall review body worn camera in all

cases that result in serious bodily injury. other video cale able. available. say it happened in front of molly stones and molly stones has camera out font. if readily available would try to get that video to view the video. if it's not readily available they would say that video is available and they were unable to see it at that point in time. again, we have the e-mail address. >> thank you very much for making these additions. commissioner hirsch. >> i can see tension arising around the complaint of pain. whether it's related or unrelated. i can imagine someone saying it's related and an officer saying it's unrelated. how is that determination made? >> i'm sorry? >> how does the officer -- who makes the determination whether it's related pain or unrelated

pain to the force used? >> that's the supervisors' responsible. what they're on the scene and asking the subject says -- it's basically based on what the subject says. >> all right. it's not an independent determination by a supervisor or an officer that ignores what the subject says? >> no. if the subject says my wrist hurts, he might say because of the handcuffing. that is fine. we also have people that say this is from when i fell on the curb yesterday. it's based on what we're told at the time. it's not researched to verify they're telling the truth. >> it's not an independent vallation made by the officer? >> no. >> thank you. >> mr. hamasaki. >> regarding, sort of the bottom of the first page where there's

a series of check boxes for use of force by the officer, by the subject and was it within policy. was there any consideration -- and maybe this exists somewhere independent of this evaluation for putting a narrative sequence of the use of force, meaning a description as opposed to one, two, three, four, although obviously it's helpful. is there a narrative that's attached to this in some way? how is that -- how do we learn more from these incidents rather than what's on this page? >> that would be from the incident report. >> ok. >> how is that -- i guess, how does that track what the use of force report so that when we're doing these evaluations of whether or not we're using too much force, we're using force way below minimums. >> this evaluation is sent to the academy, along with a copy of the incident report.

it's the academy that reviews the evaluation and the incident report for any type of anomalies that they see where we need for training or along those lines. >> that was my second question. any each of these use of force evaluations, they're actually sent for review so even where a situation is in policy but there's thing we can learn from it, how o t to do it better ande less force, that's reviewed by the academy and they do sort of a lessons learned out of the review process? >> correct. >> ok. thank you. >> nothing further. >> commissioner taylor. >> i just have a question about the difference between the complaint of pain and injured. if it's coming from the person who has the pain or the injury, the injured category is asking spin to bsomeone to be a doctor.

>> the complaint of pain is jus. i'm telling you to the officer. i have pain in my arm where i was struck. if i have an injury, an injury would be like the officer can view it. there's a bruce there, there's a red mark there of some sort where the officer is able to see the injury. >> the protection is that's the officer's assessment but the complaint of pain is coming from the person? >> it's coming from the person. >> yes. >> anything further? >> thank you, very much, sergeant. >> any public comments regarding this line item? >> welcome back. >> hi, there, welcome back. >> hi, there. >> it seems to have some good ideas perhaps. however, this check mark box about what an injury is, yes, i have the same concerns there. furthermore, it goes back to say

execution or you can have something on a piece of paper, that doesn't mean it's reality. it's like hey, we had a big debt crisis -- [ please tant b stand by ]

>> if a person says they have an injury and there are orders that go along with it. even if pain lasts longer than it should, if you could not see any type of mark or anything, if the pain isn't transient and somebody says 20 minutes later when they are in the back of the car, my arm is still hurting, that his complaint of pain. we would have them checked out by an ambulance crew. there are mandates when we do take people to the hospital for an evaluation versus an assessment. so if you were pepper sprayed, will definitely see the

ambulance. prior, for instance when we had the carotid, that was automatic to the hospital regardless if the person was functioning. there are mandates. and further bulletins. everyone is at least assessed when that complaint of pain comes in. >> thank you. >> great. do i have a motion to accept the department bulletin regarding the form of the streamlined process we ? >> so moved. >> second. >> all in favor? >> aye. it is unanimous. >> item six is general public comment. the public is welcome to address the commission regarding items that did not appear in tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. the speaker should address the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or d.b.a. personnel. under police commission rules of order, neither police nor d.b.a.

personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions provided by the public but may provide a brief response. individual personnel should refrain from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. please limit your comments to two minutes. >> thank you. please, come forward. >> it even, commissioners. my name is mark and i am a homeowner and business owner in the historic dogpatch neighbourhood and a board member of the friends of dogpatch hub, a group of neighbours working to develop a community centre in dogpatch. once a sleepy postindustrial neighbourhood, but now the fastest growing residential neighbourhood in san francisco. we believe the long abandoned police station as an ideal location for that community centre and i'm here with some of my colleagues to solicit your supports. the police station is located at

2,303rd street just a few blocks from your new mission bay headquarters at the border of the dogpatch east -- historic district and pier 70 which is being redeveloped with a combination of commercial and residential buildings. there are two structures on the lot. the buildings were constructed in 1912 and 1913 and the site was used by the sfpd until 1998 when it was like he did 20 years ago. during the first decade of vacancy, the buildings remained in good condition. the second decade, however, has been a sad story. as abandoned buildings, they were broken into constantly, accurate -- occupied by homeless people, stripped by vandals and subjected to senseless vandalism including more than five building fires. the worst of which was a two alarm blaze in 2012 that left a gaping hole in the roof. as a result, the buildings have been ravaged by weather and the basement is permanently filled with water. this is a blighted property inching ever closer to being irreparable. in 2001, there was a transfer to the record department that was

attempted but not completed. ownership of the building has faded from memory stick according to records, everyone thought the buildings belong to someone else. in march of 2012, they issued a resolution to release the property to the real estate department. in 2013, they came to the dogpatch neighborhood association meeting to solicit ideas from the neighborhood residents about the best use of the property. the community supported public serving or commercial -- commercial use in hopes of saving and activating the site. proposed r.f.p. was forgotten. >> thank you, very much. >> it even, commissioners. i am a board member of friends of the dogpatch. i'm here to speak about how and why we started these community led efforts to save the police station. by the winter of 2016, we decided the best way to save the building and to serve the neighborhood was to work with the city to convert the site into a community center. at the board of supervisors land

use and transportation committee surplus property report hearing in may, 2016, we submitted letters requesting that the city reuse the buildings for much-needed community purposes rather than simply selling them off. we organize the friends of the dogpatch hub and we are funded by the dogpatch neighborhood association to incorporate as a nonprofit public charity. in april, 2017, we convened the meeting to call attention to the site and brainstorm how to stem the neglect and bring the building back to a public serving used use. since that meeting, the director of city planning and supervisor cohen and staff members on the office of economic and workforce development, and community stakeholders including members of the dogpatch neighborhood association, the small business commissioner, and two key developers operating in our neighborhood,. the consensus was that due to the extremely poor condition, the historic status and small lot size, the buildings are too heavily encumbered to sell or lease easily. after a walk-through with

architectural and building professionals, it was determined a minimum of $10 million was required for a bare-bones adaptive reuse. with this information, we created a formal proposal for the building. in may of 2017, we secured a leadership grant of $4.2 million from ucsf. we further secured an additional commitment of $2.5 million from pier 70 and the port of san francisco. has a site was still wide open and vulnerable, we requested funds from supervisor cohen and that resulted any in a $250,000 fund to protect the building. the department of public works use these funds to secure, paint and fence the property. we will tell you about our plans for the future. thank you. >> greetings. my name is catherine. i am the board chair of the friends of the dogpatch hub. i'm here to speak about your latest efforts -- our latest

efforts to transform the old police station into a community center. in the summer of 2017, oewd invested funds to conduct an naa , called a neighborhood activation asset process. the probable outcome for the public buildings as an r.f.p. for the site. to prepare for the anticipated r.f.p., we hired architecture partners and race $45,000 for predevelopment costs and began the design of these schematics. data from our online community survey, with over 250,000 responses plus public outreach meetings drove programming plans to best serve a growing population and neighborhood -- in a neighborhood undergoing massive change. the population is on track to triple by 2020 and triple again to over 18,000 people by 2030. the idea of a community center is not just to save these buildings but it is equally fuelled by the fact that the

dogpatch has not one public serving facility despite nonstop development. as part of the n.a.a. process, sfpd was contacted about the buildings. in march of 2018, chief scott sent a letter to the city stating the police were considering use for the station. this was a conclusion of the n.a.a. process. on may 1st, 2018, the friends of the dogpatch board met with chief scott and were joined by oewd, the board of supervisors, melia cohen and staff and our architects. chief scott said that the site would be used for office space. we discussed our efforts to build a community center there on behalf of the neighborhood as well as the possibility of working together. however, at that time, sfpd did not have a feasibility study prepared. chief scott promised a final decision and a plan on how they would reuse, roll out or not, by the end of 2018. in the meantime, friends of the

dogpatch is sharing with city commissions what we have learned would be required to adaptively reuse the buildings. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you, very much. any further public comment? ms. miss brown? >> it even, everyone. i would like to use the overhead again, i am here talking about my sun who was murdered august 14th, 2006. he was shot 30 times with a semiautomatic gun. as his mother, i have been for the last 12 years, fighting for justice for my sun. still no justice for my sun. the last time i was here, i asked for my investigator to

contact me. you guys said that you would get a hold of him. i have not heard from my investigator and i still don't know what is going on with my son's case. i would still like to know. my son existed. i bring these names. these names that you have down for the murderers that murdered my sun -- son. thomas hannibal who is still walking the street who has a child and running around as nothing happened. paris moffat to just recently released, son-mac. marcus carter. one of them is deceased. here's a picture of my son. i put him in school. i did everything as a mother. i have no qualms being a mother that i have been to my son kick. for someone to take his life, and i am still out here for 12 years later, i made sure my sun

had diplomas -- might son had diplomas. all of my children graduated from school and had diplomas. this is what they leave me with. i'm tired. i want justice for my son. i want a place to hang the bulletins. a permanent place. i need help. i've been coming here for years under different persons, and still, nothing. thank you. >> thank you miss brown. ladies and gentlemen, if you have any information related to his murder, please call the police tip line at 4155754444. and for our new commissioners, miss brown comes every week to talk about the murder of her sun it has not been solved.

paris moffat just got out of federal prison. some of these other folks are out there. there has been no witnesses to corroborate what happened that day. and the former prosecutors and defence attorneys know you need cooperation. if anyone has the courage of their conviction in the community to come forward and provide information, please call that number. miss brown has been coming ever since i've been in the commission. every wednesday night in honour of her son. he has an incredible mom. next speaker. >> yes, she does come here every night. i don't want to speak after her, but really? the investigator was here? i listened to her. didn't call. i find that this sfpd is nonresponsive. this body isn't responsive. this body couldn't respond to public comment that i had sent

in. it took a series of e-mails in order to get it posted appropriately. i spoke about some other things here. those aren't important in comparison to this. >> thank you. any further public comment? public comment is now closed. please call the next line item. >> item seven public comment on all matters pertaining to item nine. close session including public comment on item eight, whether to hold item nine in close session and whether to assert the attorney-client privilege with regards to item nine a and b. >> public comment regarding close session items. items regarding litigation and disciplinary items. public comment is an oak -- now closed. >> item eight, holding item 90 close session and vote on whether to assert the attorney-client privilege in regard to item nine a and b. action item. >> do i have a motion? >> second. >> all in favor?

>> aye. >> we will now move into closed session.