remembrance events held throughout the department. [please stand by]

>> the ems report is attached to my report as well, as well as the non-identifiable home addresses. commissioner veronese, seems like it is right around 38%. right around there. just to go back to ems-6, on page eight they offer 36 people shelter, 12 got connected. 36 people, 12 got connected. detox, 14 were offered. one got connected. treat program, 14 offered, two got connected and psychiatric services which is really important because there's definitely people that need help out in the streets. out of 16 they put eight into a facility, which is successful. also the fire investigation report is attached. permits, complaints, how much money we have collected.

there's 64 open fire investigations. prevention did 13 outreach events in september, which is a great job and the airport attachment is also as far as assistance they had is also attached to my report. i will show you a quick presentation powerpoint. >> commissioner covington: we got a laptop?

you can follow us on social media, twitter, instagram, perisco periscope, youtube and our website. this was s.f.o. units helping patients that were 70 miles offshore. there was pictures of the drill. i have the battalion chief, the amr assisting as well. this is the eoc, emergency operating center. you see deputy chief cochran. kyle lee is also there and josh smith. this is a picture sent to us to the pio. these were our members with the baldwin brothers on this truck at 9/11 in 2001. cochran was part of the group that went during that time. they should be commended for the job they did including danny

ar armenta who has passed. this is resources for people in need. there was an incident out in the bay. this was the incident i mentioned earlier out by the pump house where the victims had fallen down the cliff. we rescued them with the fire boat. safety fair. district eight. non-profits and city agencies. thanks to mayor breed for backing the program. this is a picture i didn't mention earlier. but we were doing drills at sales force. this was the gondola. we are assimilating gondola rescue in case it got stuck. this was a happy to be helping,

the 9/11 meal pack. the 3,000 meals they put together. one female adult was rescued. california firefighter expo through sacramento. some members assisting there. city wide clean-up. the b.f.a. along with supervisor valle. they have done a great job with the outreach and the energy they are bringing to the table. this is important trabining we do. captain two and battalion seven. long angle rope drill. that's in case someone as a femur fracture. these are two individuals that went to hurricane olivia. this is firefighter ely thomas and garrett miller along with their dogs. stair climb. there is cd-3 in the bottom

left. ready to go. different event. doing a great job. earthquake survivors after shelter exercise. these are our units practicing forcible entry with a forcible entry prop. we have been training with a lot of facilities. this is good when you first enter these areas to know what you are dealing with and what you are responding to. als is ongoing training. these are some of the signs that are out there to share the road, pedestrian safety and also as you know we are constantly surf rescue and cliff rescues are one of our main concerns. we three to get as much outreach out to the citizens to let them

know, don't go near the cliff and be aware the rip tides at ocean beach can be fatal. any questions are bell -- welcomed. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you chief gonzales. any public comment on his report? none. public comment is closed. commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. chief gonzales, can you go back to the very last slide that you just showed, the cliff side warnings. thank you. so, we have had to do quite a few cliff rescues lately. and your reports have been replete with them. can you talk a little bit about anything else that can be done to keep people off the cliffs? >> other than more signage and

more barriers that are up against where they don't want you to go, i still think even when they did the aquatic park, there's an actual wall there that they just went over. so, you know, it's -- an often times as you know, sometimes it is the dog that gets out there on the cliff. whether they don't read the signs and they don't care about barriers and ultimately the owners follow the dogs. but more signage will always help just letting people know. especially about the surf. because it's tragic when someone doesn't know that there's a rip tide out there and little kids and anybody can go out there. it is not for the faint of heart. if you can't swim, you shouldn't go out to ocean beach. >> commissioner covington: are these off leash areas? >> i believe some are. some aren't. i think they want them on leash but they let them off all the time. that's where you get a lot of them. >> commissioner covington: so, when we pick people up in

ambulances -- i should say when members of the department pick people up in ambulances -- you can take that off now. thank you. so that people can see you. thanks. we charge and when we rescue someone on a cliff, we don't charge. is that correct? >> if they're transported, we charge. but sometimes they're not transported. for a patient to require transporting, how much would we charge? it is a nominal fee compared to a transport. but mostly, they are just stuck. unless they did fall like 30 feet, those probably got transported. >> commissioner covington: okay. would you have a guess as to how many rescues have been done so far this year? >> i can get that information for you. >> commissioner covington: okay. >> how many cliff rescues? >> commissioner covington: yes. >> including dogs and human

beings? >> commissioner covington: yes. [laughter] >> commissioner covington: the dogs get down there but they don't get up by themselves. i have heard from some firefighters that when they rescue a human being on the cliffs, you know, crowd gathers and they stand around and they applaud. but when the dog is rescued, they applaud and cheer very, very much. >> yeah. >> commissioner covington: thank you, chief. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. commissioner veronese. >> commissioner veronese: chief, i wanted to -- sorry. fellow commissioner. last year right about the time mayor lee had passed away, i had sent over to the mayor's office a recommendation. this is after tori had fallen from the cliff. i sent a recommend daths to --

recommendation to the mayor's office because we are one of probably seven different departments that responds to the cliff sides, including some federal agencies. it really -- i haven't -- i don't think i resent it and of course after the mayor passed away, there was a lot of activity in the mayor's office and it obviously wasn't a priority. but i would love to renew that because there's a lot we could do along the cliffs if we could work with the other departments including identifying -- i know the marker situation out there is really bad. we are having a hard time finding people and once we do find people, i have heard radio dispatch of the battalion chiefs having a hard time finding crews. it is because down there on land's end, it is really hard to find anything down there just because there are no markers. so, i actually spoke to google this morning about perhaps doing something on google maps to put

digital markers on their maps along the cliff sides and we will continue to have those discussions and i will update you and the department on them. i will share that resolution that i passed over to the mayor's office with you and to the chief if that's something you want to get behind. >> we have definitely wanted that for a long time. >> commissioner veronese: it is important and it will cut down on the amount of -- >> sometimes you save same in some instances if you know where you are going. >> commissioner veronese: sure. and there are small things we could do along the cliffs to prevent the kids from climbing up there and drinking along the cliffs and doing stupid stuff like planting bushes or planting poison ivy to prevent people from going down certain paths because it just puts our people in harm's way of having to climb down those cliffs and dealing with them. i will share that with you and the department as well.

on the issue of ems -- i'm not -- sorry. the homeless related calls unidentifiable homes. i see that's around 40%. howevering at 38 -- hovering at 38%. is that information maybe in the next meeting or if you have it now, is that information being shared with the homeless department because i think that would be important information for them to know that 40% of our calls are dealing with homeless related people? i'm wondering if we are sharing that data? >> i have shared it at meetings i have gone to when we spoke about whether it is homeless or cleaning up around certain areas or addresses or neighborhoods. the homeless advocates as well. i have mentioned it. we can give it to them every month they can get the same data we are sharing with you. >> commissioner veronese: i will leave that to you. i'm wondering if that

information would be good for them. because even broken down in districts because they are seeing a high incidence of homeless in what we are callings station one? >> we could easily share the same report or break it up into districts. >> commissioner veronese: i think that would be important to share with them as well as the mayor's office when it comes to budgeting. can we get an update on 16 and five? >> i have heard that five is two months over and 16 tentatively will be ready in november. >> commissioner veronese: i walked by 16 the other day and there's a massive hole in the ground. looks like -- >> that should be filled by november. >> commissioner veronese: that would be good. it would be hard to get the trucks over the hole.

>> chief hayes-white: that's correct. february time frame for six five and i am a little skeptical about the november date for 16, although that's what the contractor is telling us. we will keep you posted. we will have a more detailed overview for you at the october 24th meeting. >> commissioner veronese: and once we have a solid date on that, if there's going to be a ceremony of some kind, it would be great to be -- >> chief hayes-white: absolutely. we are looking at doing ribbon cuttings at both stations. >> commissioner veronese: great. thanks. and on the grant writer i saw there's a job description for the grant writer, which is great. what's the process for that? >> that's not under me. but as far as i know they are going to be hired pretty soon and the focus obviously is grant writing. >> commissioner veronese: so, the job description goes to civil service and they send you a list and you choose from a list? >> chief hayes-white: that's my understanding. what you have in front of you is

a draft, which is pretty close to being a final draft and we will share that with the department of human resources. it is categorized as 1823 senior administrative analyst. so, we will be selecting candidates for interview off of that eligible list. >> commissioner veronese: okay. chief, on page eight of your report, the little date at the top, the one, the ems six encounters per shift. probably closer to about 20 pages? >> got it. >> commissioner veronese: that first column says august. can you explain what that means? >> the august rank is the highest number one call 23 times in august. that was your number one repeat caller. and so, the august calls -- >> commissioner veronese: from a single individual? >> from a single individual.

>> commissioner veronese: okay. >> it shows you how effective it is, the top ten. so, number one had 23 calls in august. a lot of that is calling for help. it is not that they are in emergency -- they need emergency. they just need help. and ems-6 reached out and decreasing calls in september they called two times as opposed to 23. number two called 13 times in august, nine in september. somewhat of a success. number three called 13 times in august, once in september. >> commissioner veronese: so, the august rank, that column is specific individuals. >> correct. >> commissioner veronese: you are tracking how they are doing for each month? >> right. >> commissioner veronese: okay. i notice information on page 19 is like seven pages from the back of that tab.

36 completed preapplications and reviewed and approved and sent commentary looks like there were 42. how many are open? do we know? >> so, the preapplication looks like that is preapplication stage. the approved and comments -- dan, you might want to -- the first one i believe they are -- the first one is beginning stages and the second one is a farther stage. >> good morning, commissioners. with regard to the adus, the overall number, approximately 50% get approved and sent out. some with comment, some without comment but approved. about half are on hold with needn't, waiting for -- without comment waiting on comment.

>> commissioner veronese: i know that housing is a priority for the mayor's office. it would be good to have some of those details in this report. and including also if you could how many reports we have not gotten to, if any. like that are on deck. i know this process is a give and take until it's done. so, it's kind of hard to track those. >> i could speak to that briefly. at the time of this report that i forwarded to chief gonzales, our backlog was zero. when i refer to backlog, that means those that are pending that we haven't started review on. everything else is either on hold or been approved. so, the backlog was zero. i know just yesterday we picked up a batch of about ten plans. so, our team -- nothing has been over a week. they are cranking these out and so far so good. >> commissioner veronese: thank you for that, chief. that's it.

thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner veronese. commissioner hardeman. >> commissioner hardeman: thank you, president cleaveland. good job at the disaster council meeting. i was looking at the airport part of this report and it shows 216 bike medic responses. last month our flight was early so they didn't go to the gate we were supposed to. that's the longest walk i ever had in my life getting to baggage. so, i'm really happy that firefighters have access to these bikes because that new international terminal -- you think everything would have been short but it is a long hike to get your baggage if you're not

at your exact gate. >> i thought you were going to say i would be riding the bike. laugh laugh >> commissioner hardeman: i wish i would have saw one. -- [laughter] >> commissioner hardeman: i wish i would have saw one. the fleet week, good job there. delegating the chief and then you and particularly chief zanoff and cochran and ems captain smith, great job. when you don't hear anything, it's like watching a sporting event when nobody knows who the refs are and nobody has to worry about them then you know things are going good. so, great job. when i was on the port commission for many years, i really was involved with going on the ships and events and meeting the blue angels pilots. i think i said this before at a meeting.

like navy seals they are like your favorite people. any one of them can stand up, please marry my daughter. they are a little thinner and a little less muscle bound than -- blue angelses but same conditioning. i talked to them about how their conditioning is just phenomenal, the shape they have to be in. all these monitors in order to be able to withstand what they go through. anyway, good job. thanks for the great report, chief. >> thanks, commissioner. >> president cleaveland: thank you commissioner hardeman. vice president nakajo. >> vice president nakajo: thank you, chief gonzales, for that comprehensive report which is quite lengthy in terms of the commissioners and public. what is good about it is every segment of your responsibility is in that. i just kind of noted that i

believe chief hayes-white that this might be one of the rare occasions where we have all of the command force here. i believe. and i just wanted to let you know, commissioners as well, what a pleasure it is to serve with you all. i think i got a little nostalgic in terms of the department chen firefighter choi got up here and talked about 25 years or 26 years. it's just that again part of the revelation of coming to these commission meetings, what an awesome responsibility and opportunity this is, but also to serve with many of you. having said that, i'm going to need some of the command force individuals to come up and at this particular time i know all of you don't have a report. but chief zanoff, can you come up here please? as part of your report, which is quite comprehensive, i look at page six, the page after that,

they are numbered page seven, page eight and i will give you a moment to look at it. i'm looking at the page after page six. it is not numbered. it says page one of three. do you see that, chief zanoff? >> yes, sir. >> vice president nakajo: again, for my come pre-- comprehension, can you break that down. the 73% to the total? can you help me understand this a little bit? i can understand the narratives

underneath it. i just need to get clarified in terms of how to read this particular chart. >> good morning commissioners, good morning chief. andy zanoff. the explanation for each of the sections are down at the bottom, commissioner, like you correctly said. identifiable home address or not. so, what you're looking at, the first column is broken down by the three types of reports that we get from the three databases, ems-6. fire incidents or medical incidents that come out of the database. each one of these sections. we've got six months worth of data broken down by month. so, starting in march, april, may, june -- i'm sorry. april, may, june of this year all the way down to september. the no column is no identifiable home address and those are people that when we encounter them, they either can't tell us

where they live, they don't have a place to live or we are unable to identify a specific location or address. the yes column is when we say the patient, where do you live, they say 214 high street. that becomes the yes column and the totals are of course in the right-hand column for all the patients lined up together. >> vice president nakajo: and again, by incident ems fire incident and that occurs within the second page as well in terms of that identification and the third page. so, my question is, did we traditionally identify home addresses before this report came out or is this something new upon the request by somebody? >> i believe this was a request by commissioner alioto veronese several months ago and we are complying with his request to represent this information to the fire commission and chief

gonzales' monthly report. >> vice president nakajo: i didn't mean somebody. i knew there was a request that was made and i wanted to be clear on the identification. because then again, this is just the system of the patient can give the address or not and be recorded. thank you for that. stay up there, please. page seven. i just wanted to make a reference that again in this report page seven in your ems report are very comprehensive. i can understand the total numbers column at the bottom of the page. page eight, i believe commissioner veronese asked for that clarification. but again, i can understand that. and not only can i understand it, i appreciate this kind of chart. it breaks it down for me, commissioner. again, previous to what we had, i'm particularly done at this particular point with this

section here, chief zanoff as i move to page nine. is it possible if i can get the fire marsh fire marshal to come up, please. chief, good morning. >> good morning, commissioners. >> vice president nakajo: it is impressive in terms of your report. i got page nine, page ten, page 11. i know i'm operating a little quicker. on page 12 we have a category of 5 complaints. -- of fire complaints. it says total of complaints. you got to that page, chief? >> yes. >> vice president nakajo: so, we indeed categoryize fire complaints. can you share with the commission the variety of these kind of complaints? is it from the -- >> we receive complaints in multiple ways, a number of ways.

we have walk-ins, phone calls, letters, et cetera. those are all captured here. they are broken down into either open or closed. closed meaning they have been either corrected, condition corrected or it has moved on to where a notice of violation has been issued. by looking at these numbers, you can see the breakdowns of roughly 409. the number one fire complaint is associated with fire alarm systems as we would expect. fire alarms, sprinkler and exiting. those are top fire complaints we address each month. >> vice president nakajo: thank you, chief. i appreciate this. your category and reports again as i point out, there's many areas until your jurisdiction and your unit. so, again, to your category of fire complaints, i know there's complaints but it is almost an

open-ended volume that you can take from the public as well as the variables. i'll move on. i don't particularly have too much other questions. it's just that as i move to page 17 and plan check, there's captain kathleen herald. i look at large community development projects, page 18, captain michael pratt. do you have that page 18 with you, chief? >> yes, i do. >> vice president nakajo: for me, in terms of that particular page i wanted to share that categorical of large community development projects covering sunny dale to power stations to treasure island to candle stick, it's pretty much the whole city and county of san francisco, is it not, chief? >> it is.

at least 18 large community development projects that have been identified and our team headed by captain mike pat identifies all those and he is supported by the fire protection engineer and a fire inspector. >> vice president nakajo: okay. so, not only do we have an infrastructure responsibility within our departments and our support services, but we also have an eye on our fire department relationship to every major project in san francisco. >> that is correct. >> vice president nakajo: okay. so, commissioners, to myself as well, it comes as a revelation and it goes into the port, into fire investigation. it goes into monthly sections update of tascs, how the enormity of your department is chief and i appreciate that. i conclude with this, chief. the only other thing i wanted to ask was the airport report. is it possible if i can get chief ali up here.

i know you guys -- you folks at the airport had a crash drill most recently. is it possible to have a little feedback in terms of how that massive drill occurred? was it all entities of the city and it was just recently. i need an update how that went? >> yes. good morning, commissioners. we connected a drill on september 19th and it was with 40 agencies. people like alameda county sheriff, the f.b.i., the coast guard. it was a multitude of agencies. the planning went on for about six months prior to the actual event. it went very well considering we had all the different agencies participating. we had some practice drills prior, working on of course communications and getting the

marine vessels into sea plane harbor. it was a beautiful day and it was a high tide, which made it easier for the different marine vessels to get inside sea plane harbor. so, overall, it was a great success. the director of the airport was very pleased with our performance and he also went on a coast guard vessel and surveyed the area. we coordinated with oyster point and their marina and san mateo county units were there and they established a mass casualty area to simulate victims that were taken on the prop ferry from sea plane harbor over to oyster point marina. >> vice president nakajo: three a point person or department that coordinates that drill? >> well, in conjunction with the

airport emergency management department and the fire department, we coordinated the entire event. by f.a.a. rules and regulations, we're required to have a disaster drill every three years. but f.s.o. is very proactive. >> vice president nakajo: in terms of following the drill there's a precedent sent as to what you drill for. do you do an equal kind of training where you might add something? >> yes. there are certainly injects during the drill. last year it was an active shooter drill. the year prior to that it was a drill involving a crj, which is a regional jet and 737 simulating an air crash where one aircraft clipped another. >> vice president nakajo: thank you very much, chief. i really appreciate this. thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> vice president nakajo: mr.

president. thank you very much for your report. >> president cleaveland: thank you. commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. i'm sorry. i was remiss in mentioning the position of the grant writer. we just received this via email i suppose it was yesterday when we had received our commission packets on friday. so, i really didn't get a chance to look at it as thoroughly as i would have liked. so, i do have just some preliminary comments. of course i am very happy to see that this position is going to be posted and that things are moving along. but i wanted to note the very heavy concentration on page 2 of

the minimum qualifications. in all of the bulleted items, it's very, very focused on the person having professional level analytical work as opposed to the person having much experience on the grant writing side. that is part of the description on page one. but that is not carried over to page 20. and i see mr. corso is present and on deck. so, bring him up. >> >> chief hayes-white: this was provided to you as a draft and i just want to be mindful that it is not part of the agenda. but to the extent with which we can answer the question without -- i'm just concerned if there was public comment, it is not part of the agenda and it was provided because we know that

you're very interested in the position. so, i think maybe we could touch upon it lightly. but i think we should also be mindful of what the agenda states. >> commissioner covington: i agree with you. that leads me to the logical conclusion that perhaps it should be on the agenda and we can talk about it in more detail. >> absolutely. good morning. mark corso planning and financing. the clarification we are looking for as certain -- classification we are looking for has certain minimal qualifications regardless whether the role is financial analyst, grant administrator. so, it has standard minimal qualifications. i believe those are the ones listed that are all for city wide positions. >> commissioner covington: is there a designated classification for grant writers within the system?

>> there is not. >> commissioner covington: but there are other departments that have grant writers? >> correct but they are folded within -- >> commissioner covington: they are all under senior administrative analyst? >> not necessarily. there's not a specific grant writer classification in the city. as it's on civil servant classification. >> commissioner covington: that is very odd. >> that is not to say that departments cannot structure their job descriptions for those classifications. but as far as actually having a specific civil service classification dedicated to grant writing, it does not. >> commissioner covington: all right. i'm only going into this because it seems as if a person would be applying for one job on page one and then a different job on table two.

but we can talk -- on page 2. but we can talk about it in detail before our next meeting. >> chief hayes-white: if i may, certainly because i know all the commissioners are interested in this position. whether you want it on the agenda, i know i'm available as well as mr. corso. i do suggest that maybe between meetings if you had any suggestions or feedback, please don't hesitate to reach out to us and we will be happy to discuss it with you and take your feedback. >> commissioner covington: i certainly will contact you. thank you, chief. thank you mr. car so. >> president cleaveland: thank you commissioner covington. commissioner veronese. >> commissioner veronese: yes. i wanted to address commissioner nakajo's request about how the non-identifiable home thing came up. when i first came on the commission i think april of a year and a half ago i mentioned in a commission meeting how

important it would be to track homeless related calls. following that, i met with the chief of the department had graciously invited me to discussion the issue. we also had a group meeting of some of the assistant chiefs to go over how this could be done, how we could track. and i believe the department also reached out to the department of homelessness so that we came up with a name for the tracking because we wanted to be sensitive to people without homes. following that, we had -- the chief decided to begin the tracking with the work of her department and different types of reports done and different ways of doing it. so, it was very complex and i appreciate the work of chief zanoff in doing that because i know his reports are different

from the engine reports, the fire reports. so, we were going to begin doing that in august of last year. we ran into a couple of hiccups only because it was a new thing and started i think in earnest that canning this in november and december of last year. it is by far not a perfect product and something the department should be looking at continually and making sure we are accurately gathering this information and preventing overlap. so, that's basically how it came about and i believe that we started reporting this to the commission about january of last year, right chief? i think it was about that time. so, there you have it. that's where we are. >> president cleaveland: thank you. commissioner covington your name is up there. >> commissioner covington: i'm sorry. >> president cleaveland: thank you for the comprehensive

report. madame secretary, call the next item. [reading agenda item] >> president cleaveland: seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. commissioners. no one seems to want to speak. nothing to report. all right. call the next item. [reading agenda item] >> president cleaveland: is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. madame secretary, would you please read the list of items that are currently on the docket. future meetings. >> we have the commission retreat action items. peer support resolution, mou with guardians of the city,

drone policy update, update on station 516 and location for any training facility, cancer prevention foundation update, public service announcements through sf.gov tv. strategic plan update. amendments to the disciplinary process early class resolution and ab-3115. >> president cleaveland: commissioner veronese. vip to supplement what the commission secretary just read, i have handed out to the commissioners and the chief a copy as well a revised version of the peer support resolution and i will not go into much detail only to give you an overall of how it has been revised so that if there are any questions at the next meeting or

the meeting that is angel -- agenda it is almost exactly the same with the exception of a grammatical change i believe in the first paragraph. the first page is the same. it is just the first two whereass are also the same. we will make the document public so when it is on the agenda, the public can come and comment on it. what i did was i removed all of the content which is about four pages of content and i added just two, be it resolved, and it has the chief -- asking the chief of the department to deliver to the commission for consideration a memorandum setting fortunate minimum standards of state-of-the-art

peer support unit. and then the most important word i would like people to focus on in the next paragraph that i have added there is that i would like to chief to demonstrate that she has considered the following. and that is some of the stuff that was in the four or five pages that i deleted. so, just asking the chief to consider that when she reports back to us. and then the second resolve further would be a date beyond the first date in which the chief of the department reports back for consideration to the commission a plan of action for implementation that takes into consider all of the -- into consideration all of the things that were previously mentioned. so, i look forward to discussing this with the commission. any members of the public that would wish to come speak on this resolution in the meeting that is noticed and agendized.

>> president cleaveland: do you have a time? would it like it on october 24th or november 14th? >> commissioner veronese: i would refer to get it done sooner than later. i would just need to know in advance what date the commission would like to consider because i would like certain people to come and speak on the item once it is on the agenda as well as the public consideration and members of the department that would like to speak on this item to come and speak to the commission and tell them if it's important to them why it is and why it isn't. >> president cleaveland: do you want to talk with the people you would like to have here first and then get back to -- >> commissioner veronese: no. i would rather just agendize it. let's go with the 24th. >> president cleaveland: 24th it is. much cleaner than the previous rendition. thank you for that.

commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you again, mr. president. i think it's important that we handle -- by handle i mean actually put on a future agenda these three items. the commission retreat action items, the drone policy update and the chief's appraisal. i think that those three things we need to do before year end. >> president cleaveland: i agree. in fact, in my discussions with the chief earlier today, we scheduled that for the december 12th meeting, the drone policy and the chief's appraisal. >> commissioner covington: great because we only have one meeting in december. >> president cleaveland: right. drone policy and chief's appraisal december 12th. >> supervisor peskin: wonderful. thank you.

>> president cleaveland: other commissioners? additional items? we talked about the early case resolution amendments. i would like to schedule that for the october 24th meeting. we will add the grant writer job description on to the october 24th meeting along with the peer support resolution. november 14th i would like to add the adf presentation with representatives from the department of public works. and then to add on to the december 12th, i would like to propose our 2019 calendar for adoption. commissioners. i see no names so without further ado, we will move forward to the next item. >> item e. department physician request for secondary employment. discussion and possible vote on whether to approve department physician request for approval

of application for secondary employment. >> president cleaveland: is there any public comment on this item? i see none. public comment is closed. commissioners? i believe we will probably need to go into closed session on this to discuss personnel matter. so, we have a motion from commissioner hardeman. good morning, brad. >> good morning, brad from the city attorney's office. this matter should be discussed in open session unless you need to evaluate the doctor's performance from some reason. if you have questions about the secondary employment underlying request and what it is the doctor is requesting you to approve, you can discuss that in open session and need to approve the request or deny the request in open session as well.

>> president cleaveland: so, you're suggesting this has to be held in open session unless there's objection from -- >> no. except to the extend it would require you to do any kind of personn personnel evaluation of the doctor. >> president cleaveland: okay. thank you, counsel. commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president and thank you city attorney russey. i would like to move this item and move it for approval. reading other it i had a numb -- over it i had a number of questions but by the time i got to the last page, the questions were answered. so, i want to give kudos to whoever developed the questions and included them in the packet. thank you.

>> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. we have the matter here before us on dr. terrazas adding additional appointment as our department's fission. so, we have a motion on the floor. do i have a second to approve his additional employment request pertinent to this item? second from commissioner hardeman. do we have any discussion? any questions? all in favor? >> i do have a question. >> president cleaveland: commissioner hardeman, please speak. >> commissioner hardeman: not only a question, but just sort of get this on the record.

i guess chief or city attorney would have an answer to this. so, the number of hours or time that a person can work on a secondary job is? outside working for the fire department? as a firefighter, would doctor also fall under the guidelines? >> i don't know that there's a specific answer to that question. the doctor obviously works full-time for the department. i may depend on the circumstances. each request is evaluated separately. >> commissioner hardeman: that was my only curiosity. if there's no negative

information about the hours that would be worked then i have no question i guess. >> that's the request being made to you all as the apointing authority of the -- appointing authority of the doctor to see if this particular request would interfere with his full-time employment. >> president cleaveland: i think the issue was one of notification. when you're accepting a second job and you currently work for the fire department, you're supposed to go through personnel and let them know that you have been invited to do this. and then you have a certain series of questions that the dph will ask you. dpr, excuse me. and if you answer all of them correctly, including what kind of time commitment this new position will take, then you're approved to move forward. in this case, since our good doctor works for the department,

but under the supervision of the commission, we the commission have to ascertain whether or not this new additional employment will interfere with his duties as a department doctor. so, i think our doctor has come to the hearing. dr. terrazas, would you like to come forward for a second? we have a motion on the floor and a second. before we have a vote to approve this, do you have any words that you would like to share with us on this new position that you have taken on? >> thank you for the opportunity to present before the commission. good afternoon, commissioners. if it hasn't already been made clear in the proceedings, the commitment that i'm undertaking is not going to interfere with my duties as the department's physician. it's all going to occur off hours and the effort is really

not that much other than just reviewing prior transcriptions that is going to occur off duty. >> president cleaveland: thank you, doctor. i see chief hayes-white would like to say something. >> chief hayes-white: i would like to echo what the city counsel advised. the fire commission is the authority. often times for fire department employees under my appointing authority, i do evaluate secondary employment. most of the time it is done on a case by case basis. most of the time if it seems reasonable they are able to get proper rest and so forth, it is approved. there have been occasions more -- less frequently than approving them where will i have questioned the amount of hours

-- where i have questioned the amount of hours. they work 24-hour shifts and so, a secondary employment is manageable in some cases because of the shift work that they do. but i do get concerned sometimes if i see a high amount of hours on their off gay -- days. and i'm thinking specifically a case where a member of our department that was also performing work for another city department. so, both city departments had to look at it and we condition fored with the direct tor of -- conferred with the director of human resources. so i do it on a case by case basis. >> president cleaveland: thank you. commissioner veronese, you had a question? >> commissioner veronese: did you have something to add? >> vice president nakajo: i apologize for -- >> i apologize for trying to speak out of turn.

i committed on the four hours to this endeavor and i plan to do it on the weekend. >> commissioner veronese: i don't oppose this. i'm wondering if you could further expand because you do some consulting work that could potentially lead to consulting work for litigation. how would the department's name make its way into that and if it did, how would you treat that? >> if my name ever came up in litigation related to activities with the company that i'm -- for who i'm going to perform work, it would only be in the setting of describing whether a protocol was or was not followed. so i don't have supervisory control over anything that occurs in this company.

>> commissioner veronese: my question is specific to the department. i understand. if the department's name is ever used, for example, as this is dr. such and such from the san francisco fire department that is going to be testifying here, is there a way that you could notify us before that happens or just so that we are aware that it has happened because obviously, you know, you're welcome work with the department is on the your resume. it may be referenced as part of your credentials in any sort of ligation or testimony. i would just want the department, especially the city attorney representative of the department to be aware of that so we could at least watch it. i'm not sure if there are any issues that you see, mr. russey. but i want to make sure the city is given the notice that it needs in case of its name being brought up in litigation as part of your resume. >> i don't have a problem giving the department or the fire commission notice of the company

that i'm going to perform work for is involved in litigation where my name might be brought into the proceedings. i have no issue, no problem giving notice to the fire commission. >> commissioner veronese: so, you will agree to give notice to the fire commission in the event that you were served any legal process in connection with that employment? >> sure. if that's consistent with city policy as it relates to other employees of the fire department, by all means. >> commissioner veronese: no. i'm ask about you. [please stand by]. cleavelan

if that's what it -- if that's -- if that's how i can maintain consistency with policy, of course. >> commissioner veronese: i'm just trying to understand what authority this board is voting on. he's voting to this the authority in this one-year period only, and we anticipate --