neighborhoods in these areas to look at longer term recovery and immediate response. >> i really wouldn't add anymore to that many of this is the type of thing that keeps us awake at night. how we can get better at this. the program we have in place we're evolved and trying to improve that. we have a program we're trying to influence new building owners to participate. it will help us and the recovery. getting people back into their buildings quicker and sooner. this is the thing we're always evolving and trying to improve on.

>> that was a great question. anybody else want to answer? [laughter] >> in terms of how it was founded, it's an interesting story. the day after the north ridge earthquake, you didn't read about this in the headlines and the fact it was different ways. it was one building i know that had residual draft. other ended on broading to inspect those in a couple of those and they looked into the connection and spotted some of these fractures and there was one building under construction where the connections were exposed so that is how it was found. and then that -- you know, it became, it was so obvious in the few that was found, if you look at newspaper articles a time a month or two after the earthquake they said and if we want a year later it was 100 buildings after they had a proactive inspection program. that's how it was found. it was due to a combination of design and detailing practices

and how they connection details that were used and the weld medals and the welding processes and since that time, the steel industry has stepped up and have much more stringent requirements on those types of systems and in terms of of what can be done, some of these building have been retro fit and meaning that that would involve going in and removing and replacing the weld medal. it's augmenting with braces or viscuk dampers. i think one of the questions is like how do you start that process if you have a building that is vintage, there's actually inspection protocols and one of our recommendation snow squalls to bring those forward into make more known in the city. they are statistical based. if you have a building of that vintage you open up and look at connections and if you see damage, look at a few more. at some point, if you don't see damage, you are reasoning you don't have that problem. >> well, in our data base and we

focus on buildings and the number is about 60 or 70. i have been asked that question. now there's many buildings, that's 240 feet. there's many other steel frame buildings below that. one of our recommendations, for the city to require an inspection of steel frame buildings that existed in 1989, would trigger that, which could be -- how that's crafted whether it's all buildings or the taller buildings is remains to be seen. i don't know the number for all the steel buildings in the city. >> all right. well, i do know that the city, along with the department of building inspection, the department of emergency management, my office and our board of supervisors and mayor look forward to this report and start implementing the recommendations. thank you very much for being here today.

>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest

today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs

cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground

swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is

moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not

making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you

happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the

richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and

that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for .

>> my name is angela wilson and i'm an owner of the market i worked at a butcher for about 10 years and became a butcher you i was a restaurant cook started in sxos and went to uc; isn't that so and opened a cafe we have produce from small farms without small butcher shops hard for small farms to survive we have a

been a butcher shop since 1901 in the heights floor and the case are about from 1955 and it is only been a butcher shot not a lot of businesses if san francisco that have only been one thing. >> i'm all for vegetarians if you eat meat eat meat for quality and if we care of we're in a losing battle we need to support butcher shops eat less we sell the chickens with the head and feet open somebody has to make money when you pay $25 for a chicken i guarantee if you go to save way half of the chicken goes in the enlarge but we started affordable housing depends on it occurred to us this is a male field people said

good job even for a girl the interesting thing it is a women's field in most of world just here in united states it is that pay a man's job i'm an encountered woman and raise a son and teach i am who respect woman i consider all women's who work here to be impoverished and strong in san francisco labor is high our cost of good ideas we seal the best good ideas the profit margin that low but everything that is a laboring and that's a challenge in the town so many people chasing money and not i can guarantee everybody this is their passion. >> i'm the - i've been cooking mile whole life this is a really, really strong presence

of women heading up kitchens in the bay area it is really why i moved out here i think that we are really strong in the destroy and really off the pages kind of thing i feel like women befrp helps us to get back up i'm definitely the only female here i fell in love i love setting up and love knowing were any food comes from i do the lamb and that's how i got here today something special to have a female here a male dominated field so i think that it is very special to have women and

especially like it is going at it you know i'm a tiny girl but makes me feel good for sure. >> the sad thing the building is sold i'm renegotiating my lease the neighborhood wants us to be here with that said, this is a very difficult business it is a constant struggle to maintain freshness and deal with what we have to everyday it is a very high labor of business but something i'm proud of if you want to get a job at affordable housing done nasal you need a good attitude and the jobs on the bottom you take care of all the produce and the fish and computer ferry terminal and work your way up employing people with a passion for this

to begin. good morning. today is wednesday, october 17th, 2018. this is the regular meeting of the building inspection commission. i would like to remind everyone to please turn off all electronic devices and the first item is roll call.

president mccarthy. >> here. >> clerk: vice president walker. >> here. >> clerk: commissioner konstin. >> here. >> clerk: commissioner lee. >> here. >> clerk: commissioner warshell. >> here. >> clerk: we have a quorum. next item is item 2, president's announcements. >> president mccarthy: good morning, and welcome to the october 17, 2018 commission. as most note today is the 29th anniversary of the 1989 earthquake and i would like to ask for a moment of silence in honor of those who died or were injured by that disaster. [moment of silence] thank you. engineers and all of the rest of us do learn from each other and

every earthquake and we're better prepared today to respond to the next major earthquake. we also know, however, that we still have lots of work to do to improve the city's resilience, excuse me and our overall ability to respond and recover, including never-ending training by both the private and the public sectors so that we can be ready and better preparations such as success to grab and go bags. to help us to manage our own for the initial 72 hours. and we are better prepared mentally and emotionally to resist panic and fear as the ground shakes and rolls. and to be able to think clearly and to practice training we have to do. it's all -- it's a tall order and, make no mistake, and one that reminds us to keep working on -- with our families and loved ones every day to get prepared. and related to the ongoing observance of the 1989

earthquake, i want to let you know that one of the departments contracted non-profits c.y.c., is hosting 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. today another fire safety and emergency preparation fair at 290 irving street the they'll hand out information on the material to help people to prepare to respond effectively and quickly to the next disaster. and they will do hands on c.p.r. demonstrations on-site as well. and they will also give away free smoke alarms while the supplies last. i also want to recognize director hui and the staff who took tours on october 4th of the modular housing factories. a tour that commissioner walker and i took in mid-december. i'll ask commissioner lee and warshell to have looks at the way to address the housing

production and challenges. thanks goes out to commissioner konstin, and the director hui and director lowry who had a letter of appreciation for the reference in guiding the company through their permit process. and finally our employee recognition committee received 11 nominations for employee of the quarter, quarter two and three and selected mark langan as our winner for quarter two. mark was singled out for his impressive performance in terms of responding quickly and efficiently to often complex computer-based research requests. mark is particularly good with customer services and able to make tough calls with plants and with respect to the working collaborative with the entire m.i.s. team. so congratulations, mark, and thank you for all of your outstanding performance during quarter two. and our quarter three winner,

bern net perez, a senior clo clk was nominated by four members of the housing staff. she's had persistence and professionalism as he during quarter three when the housing division was going through transitions with new staff and new leadership. and we -- with more than 30 years experience besh get has a steady hand and very well informed mind and she shows dedication and exceptional skillsets in assisting problem solving. so congratulations, bernadette, and thank you for providing a brilliant role model for the staff to learn from and to -- and to become. present -- i think we will do the presentation. so commissioner lee will take care of that. so we have two -- >> clerk: the staff can come forward, the staff and the recipient. >> president mccarthy: lily,

you're taking pictures? good, all right. >> (indiscernible). [applause] >> congratulations. you can make comments if you

like. >> thank you to all of our commissioners and staff and we will continue to support everything that goes forward. >> thank you. [applause] >> i would like to express my deep appreciation to the staff and the commissioners. they've been really good in dealing with the transition. i'm thankful for your patience. once again thank you. >> thank you very much. congratulations. [applause] >> bernadette and i met in 1993 and i had long hair back then. and she looks exactly the same way as she does now. she's incredible and hard working and very cheerful throughout the 28 years at d.b.i. she oversees a busy staff. her staff carries out the important measures that the inspectors have to use to get

compliance on important cases. and her duties range from compiling statistics for this commission to collecting everyone's timesheet. she's the backbone of h.i.s. and she's the glue that holds us together. and she's one of the reasons that i applied to work here. so from everybody in housing inspection we'd like to say congratulations, bernadette. [applause] >> president mccarthy: thank you, and congratulations to all recipients. madam secretary, that concludes my public announcements. >> clerk: any public comment on the president's announcement? seeing none, item three, general public comment. and there will be public comment on matters within the commission's jurisdiction that are not part of this agenda. >> good morning, my name is jerry gerantler. on august 30, 2018, the department of building inspection, deputy director gave

an excellent presentation on residential demolitions. mr. o'reardon's presentation demonstrated the progress that the planning commission and the building inspection commission had made over the last nine months. it's important that the planning department and the department of building inspection embrace this progress and support d.b.i.s and mr. oh o'reardon's position that it includes a demolition. you can't add a floor to a structure without removing existing supporting structure. all vertical additions should require a separate set of plans, showing what was demolished and what will be added. these plans will bring clarity for district building inspectors and planning department planners. building inspectors like planners are not structural engineers, and we have been assigning the responsibility to both groups that is unreasonable. i am asking the building

inspection commission to support mr. o'reardon's proposal and to request to support the development of an implementation plan consistent with his proposal. thank you very much. >> president mccarthy: thank you. next speaker, please. >> clerk: there's no additional public comment. so going to the next item. item 4, commissioner's questions and matters. fa, inquiries to staff. at this time commissioners may make inquiries to staff regarding various documents, policies, practices and procedures, which are of interest to the commission. >> president mccarthy: commissioner walker. >> vice-president walker: i wonder if we could put that item on the next agenda for the

meeting and to have a presentation of the report. >> president mccarthy: so i think if we're talking about the same thing, we are waiting on some legislation to come from supervisor peskin's office. and the latest that i heard on that is that it was supposed to be introduced on tuesday. but, you know, some tweaks, some more work has to be done. so my understanding, which i don't have 100% confirmation of, that it will now be reintroduced next tuesday. >> vice-president walker: so it would be assessed anyway? >> president mccarthy: so that rolls into mr. reardon's presentation and to your point, commissioner warshell said to me, that when we get this report that maybe we can calendar something around that. and it will have to go through a process of land-use planning, so we'll have opportunity, but the big one i guess is to have the joint meeting when everything is finalized on this piece of legislation with planning and we can go forward there. so that hopefully is the way that it will play out.

>> vice-president walker: so it wouldn't be at the next meeting but it might be -- >> president mccarthy: yeah, but we definitely could get an update on what was introduced by supervisor -- >> vice-president walker: i think that is a good idea so we're aware of what is coming even if it's not the official review of it. >> president mccarthy: definitely. we could have our own input on that. >> vice-president walker: thank you. >> supervisor yee: future meetings and agendas. at this time the commission may discuss and take action to set the date of a special meeting and/or determine those items that could be placed on the agenda of the next meeting and other future meetings of the building inspection commission. our next meeting is november 21st. >> president mccarthy: so on that i got emails because it's thanksgiving, correct? the next day. so my decision was to keep the meet asking keep it short and i know that people will be leaving time. i hope that we have quorum. i know that commissioner konstin, you won't be here,

right? but if it's okay with everybody i will just -- we'll keep that date unless there's objections. seeing none. >> clerk: thank you. any public comment on item 4a and b? seeing none, we'll move on to item 5. discussion and possible action to make recommendations with current memberships and tomorrows to expire november 1, 2021, and november 1, 2022. >> president mccarthy: so commissioner lee or warshell, who will give the update on that? commissioner lee, you're ready. >> commissioner lee: commissioner moss and commissioner warshell and i met -- what was that, last week? and the nomination committee and we reviewed the current members of the access appeal commission and decided to reappoint all

four members who had seats expired or will be expiring this year back on to the commission. and that would be commissioner.r walter park, and learner, and alice brown, and william scott-ellsworth. >> i believe that some of our members may be here. >> commissioner lee: i think that we need to recommend that the full board approve as well. so i make a motion that b.i.k. appoint these members back on the commission. >> second. cb.>> clerk: are all commissioners in favor? any opposed? and congratulations, the members will be reappointed. if you're present and would like to come forward.

>> i would like to thank you all for the service that you provide to our city. this is a really important function in making sure that we have access to buildings and we can do it in a way that makes it possible. so the work that you do is really appreciated by all of us. i don't mean to speak for the commission. but maybe i do. so thank you again for serving. >> clerk: i have to take public comment. public comment on this item? seeing none. okay. >> president mccarthy: commissioner moss and commissioner warshell and three members. commissioner park is not here with us today.

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>> president mccarthy: thank you, candidates. if you would like to say a few words you're more than welcome. >> thank you all for your confidence in us. >> president mccarthy: not at all. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> clerk: congratulations, everyone. we're on to the next item, possible action regarding ab-082, and administrative bulletin presenting guidelines and procedures for structural, geotechnical and seismic hazard engineering design review of

buildings and other structures. >> president mccarthy: deputy director. >> good morning, commissioners. deputy director of permit services. i'm here to speak about the administration bulletin with the guidelines and the procedures for structural, geotechnical and seismic hard ard engineering design review. and this bulletin addresses structural and geotechnical and seismic hazard naturalling with buildings and other structures. and wherealterations, and it may apply to the prescriptive provisions of the san francisco building code. and for the projects with the prescriptive exemptions of the building code. and the discretion of the director of it may include one or more, structural engineering, geotechnical engineering, site specific seismic assessments,

and scaling. the term geotechnical and seismic hazard engineering design review is referred to as a peer review. and it encompasses design review as required. if the director determines that the review is required they may request geotechnical or seismic hazard reviewers having knowledge and experience to provide professional opinions on the design aspects of a project. the purpose is to have an independent objective technical review of the aspects of the project design that are identified in the scope of the review. reviews contract with san francisco department of building inspections are responsible to the director. and they are responsible for the payment of fees and other expenses for professional services of the reviewers.

and they shall sign all written communication to the director. this is a new process by d.b.i. sf-dbi new process retains the reviewer's responsibility to the director in align with the number of jurisdictions that the contractor -- that the contract directly with reviewers attach the clause for the project sponsor. previously the city of san francisco procedures for procurement of professional service have not been suited to directly contracting with consulting engineers. and reviewers instead contracted with the project sponsor. the revie rears are, nonetheles, responsible and under the directions of the director. so the change to this is that we contract directly through the peer review group down. the engineers -- the engineer records is solely responsible for the construction contract documents. documents in the reviewer will be retained as part of the fdbi

files. each reviewer is selected by the director based on the reviewer's qualifications applicable to the project and considering the availability with the project scale. the director may at his or her discretion consult with the project sponsor and the engineer of record and others before selecting the reviewers. the reviewer shall disclose to the director in writing any potential conflict of interest related to the project and the desired scope of review. or the ability of the reviewer to be independent in other objectives in the review. each reviewer provides professional engineering services shall be a registered professional, holding a professional license in accordance with the california law. qualifying staff and reviewing not registered as a p.e., including reviews from academia, can contribute to the review under the responsibility charge

of the registered engineers. reviewers should be engaged as early in the design process as practical. and this design team has an opportunity to look at the disciple decisions that could disrupt the design development if addressed later in the design phase. early in the process the initial of record, and a representative of the director and the reviewers should convene a meeting to establish the scope of the review. and the methods, the lines of communication, the timing of the review milestones and the degree to which the engineers of record anticipates the designs will be developed for each milestone. and at the conclusion of the review and sequestered by the director the reviewers shall submit to the director a report documenting the scope of the review and the comment logs and the professional opinions of the

reviewers regarding the design performance and the criteria identified in the scope of the review. so this has been a long process on this and it's still in draft form but it's tasked by con and under the city attorney's review right now. and san francisco d.b.i. just added to this ordinance all projects of new buildings 240 feet or taller located in the city's office.

>> he has been working on this for years, if you have any questions. >> i have a few quick questions on projects. we don't have the data, that is fine. obviously, we had last week where we had fleet week and i had the privilege and honour to

go and talk at fleet week where we had a building and safety strategy program. you were there and i appreciate it. i thought it was interesting the level of conversation as to the different changes that are coming down the pipeline. well if you think, as a city, we are based on your years and years of constantly evolving on this, where do you think we are compared to other cities and how far are we advanced in this arena right now, as best we can be? >> we are at a point that this is the ten year anniversary of this administrative bulletin. the first was developed ten years ago.

requiring more scrutiny by the engineer professionals and more. right now we are at the point where we expand from the structure. we have more scrutiny on the geotech issue. >> in that arena, compared to other cities, are we exploring the geotechnical side of things? do we want to break it down more than l.a. or are our requirements more stringent than others? >> much, much more stringent. we already have the slope protection act and we require further reveal and detail resign -- design review as required.

>> and the industry as a whole, how are they responding to these extra measures that we are taking, particularly in tall buildings? for example, is a lot of projects -- are they going to bed rock or are they taking a look at different -- what is it doing to the industry? have we had many projects lately that falls under these new criteria even though they are not necessarily implemented yet, legally? >> actually, we are still implementing the old one. that was already updated two years ago by a minor change with a peer review. >> we were paid by the director of the city. we have more control of the third-party review. >> ok. all right.