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many people to make this possible. lastly -- i can go on and on, as you know. politicians. i just remember when i was fortunate enough at age 14, which wasn't that long ago, when i was fortunate enough to be given an opportunity to work and to get a paid internship opportunity, i remember so many people who i worked with that didn't have that same opportunity. i was lucky, i was glad to get a slot. so we want to do summer, but the reason why i felt empowered is because the place that i worked, the family school, they really liked me, and they decided to keep me year-round, and they got -- they figured out a way to help get it paid for. so yes, ultimately, we want summer internship opportunities, and we want to support young people with these opportunities, but we want to make sure that year-round opportunities exist. we want to continue to work with
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our school district and shamman walton, who's with the school district is here today. i want to make sure there's a way to work with our school districts so young people get credit for these opportunities, as well. i want to continue working with city college to kids get college credit in high school. again, this is about providing opportunity, changing what is normal because if we don't start now, if we don't start working and fighting for young people now, then we only have ourselves to blame when they don't succeed, and that's what today is about. so i have everybody here. a lot of great people to talk. the workforce -- economic and workforce development director, joaquin torres is here. [applause] >> the hon. london breed: the department of children, youth, and families director is here,
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maria sue is here, and the guy that's going to make sure that everybody in the city, grownups and kids get jobs, is josh arce. so today is an exciting day in san francisco. it is really a dream come true, and i can't wait until we turn no child away from an opportunity to work, to learn, to grow, and to be successful in the city and county of san francisco. with that, i'd like to introduce sheryl davis to talk a little bit about what we plan to do as it relates to this program. [applause] >> first, i'm just going to ask everybody to give another round of applause for mayor breed. [applause] >> i will say the work that i do and i've done in community, i blame it all on mayor breed because every time she comes up with an idea, she's like we've
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got to do this, and she means we, like let's do it together. and when she said she wanted to do opportunities for all, when she said she want toded to do a this life, i asked him if she remembered that one summer years ago when channel, anjenette and four other young people -- she hobled together this group of young people, and she said, we've really got to make opportunities for them. channel went to san jose state. anjenett has be anjenette has been toiling and working in the community, and now she's working in the community. mayor breed is scaling that working in community to make sure it's not just that same
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group of kids, but that everybody has access and an opportunity. part of what i'm going to do first is the call to action. there are young people in here right now. we need to have a better understanding of what you need and where the gaps are and what kind of experience that you've had. we're going to be surveying and asking people to step up and to apply and to form that. two, the chamber is represents -- i know laura and graeg here -- we're trying to ask businesses to actually commit to doing all the different things, whether you take somebody at the entry level who's never had a job, who maybe doesn't have the best attitude, but you give them space to work in there, but at the same time, we're asking you to put people on your payroll and give them a job. but that's one thing, if you can't do that, you can give money. you can pay for someone to work, and then, we really need or service providers to make sure we're getting young people ready, and if they're not ready
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to go to google or to go to a law firm, or google, that we're creating safe places in the community, a network, where they can get a job, they can get a check. we need to be able to say san francisco wants to hire young people. let's get them ready. so everybody here, there's something for you to do after. just to speak to how this really works, and how beyond just doing it for a summer, i want to invite up the best example of this work. dethon jon deanthony jones is going to come up and talk about this. >> thank you, cheryl.
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i just want to say really quickly, i just want to thank you, mayor, for for leadership in this process. i, too, had my first paycheck signed by jeff maury, and what i'd like to say is i now run that organization. the mayor knows that for many, many years now, i have implored this city to provide the opportunities that our young people deserve, and the very sad reality is that over the years, we've had to turn away thousands of deserving young people for the opportunities that could change their lives. so i just want to say thank you. we're looking forward to working with everybody in this room, everybody up here to make this happen, and we want to make sure that all the young people who need and want and deserve opportunities get them. thank you very much, mayor. [applause] >> well, first off, i'm
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definitely honored and blessed to be up here with the mayor and with sheryl davis, one of my mentors, just to tell you a little bit about myself, i was born and raised in the western addition, in public how's. just having access to opportunities all my life and take them has helped me get to where i am right now, and i'm proud and honored to say that the mayor had put me on her team in august of this year. [applause] >> but it started as a seed. it took being exposed to progra programs and having
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opportunities in the community. when i was in my early years of college and then being a youth commissioner of this district, as well, all of those opportunities culminated into this, and i'm just scared often where else i could be headed in my future, but that's neither here nor there. it took opportunity being opened up, doors to be opened for me to walk-through and to get cultivated by mentorship, cultivated by experience and cultivated by the stories of those around me. for me, it's an honor to serve because i understand the value of opportunity, and it is my mission in life to help other youth find those opportunities, as well, so i plan to make that my opportunity just as the mayor was a young mayor in the western addition -- she still is.
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and you know, for me, it's just important to see other youth to get those opportunities. i was breslessed to be working h them, and i'm still working with them now. one of them is a woman beside me, who has a brite future, as well. >> hello. my name is keyare 2k5desuer. i had finished 8th grade and got a paid internship. c.s.f. has many cohorts. and i was in the community cohort which allowed me and my peers to learn about mental health and how it plays an
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important role. c.s.i. is important because it helps me and my community with regard to mental health issues. we got to go to mental health clinics, and homeless shelters. i think all kids deserve in opportunity, and all of -- all over the world, they should be able to get this opportunity because i know many places, they aren't allowed to get them. thank you. [applause] >> the hon. london breed: so our final speaker is going to come up. i think deanthony and kiara highlight the beginning of this journey and what it can do when it's done well. i wanted to just bring up morgan. one of the things that mayor breed has been doing all along the spectrum is she was creating programs and supporting young people here, and when she became supervisor, she continued to
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advocate for that. i know maria can attest to funding and making sure it gets to the folks that are often forgeten. the program that kiara talked about is modelled after what mayor breed did here. but morgan is up next, and i think her story and where she's going is just amazing. >> my name is morgan tucker. i work at collective impact. four years ago, i was leading a group of young ladies from different communities throughout san francisco, and we actually worked on a project partnering with the san francisco police department. very challenging. very challenging, but it created an opportunity for them to actually build relationships with the police department which was a great opportunity, and now i can say that a lot of those young women actually have relationships with officers. mayor breed was also -- she was
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very support him throughout the whole entire process. i was actually able to meet her then, back in 2015, for the first time. we as the interns knew she was fighting for funding that helped youth get experience in programs in these jobs. after the first summer, i decided to become a police cadet. one, i made the decision because they were paying youth who were still in college to actually just support as police officers -- well, support these police officers, i was also hired as the coordinator for the c.s.i. program, which was a big role, but i was prepared for it. i had a lot of help, and i've actually been coordinating up until this past summer. my next role that i'm actually planning to take is interning the police department. [applause] >> but thank you to the continued support of not only
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miss davis, miss breed -- mayor breed. i'm actually going to be entering hopefully by the end of this year. so thanks a lot to the c.s.i. program for giving me these opportunities, and i can see a lot of the youth participate in the c.s.i. program. again, kiara was part of one cohort. there are many different cohorts, it's a multitide of different cohorts. the program offers a lot of different opportunities to a lot of different career fields, just expose the youth to different ideas, which is really good, they can get exposure you are to a lot of different entities, which is why i'm doing right now. they also have a great retirement. so thank you again for you guys's time, and i thank you
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again, mayor breed. >> so again, there is some information here. dcyf is going to begin convening some of our service provider. i know eric rice is here from the school district. we're going to be working with commissioner walton and the district to think about how to be more intentional around this work, and that we want to have more opportunities for all young people, and we're really grateful that folks showed up here today, but the next thing is to actually make it happen. mayor breed has the vision, and she definitely has the will, but we need to get on board with that. hopefully this is inspiring everyone to engage and participate. i just want to say i did tell somebody that was going to happen, and they -- i won't call them out, but they know who they are. ye yeah. >> the hon. london breed: and i'll just end it -- i know it's hot in here. illy skbrust end it by saying thank you for your dedication.
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i look out in the audience and i see so many people who are engaged in helping support community, helping in support young people, and it really does take a village, because believe it or not, i was a handful. i know you don't believe that, but i was a handful, and my teachers never gave up on me, my grandmother never gave up on me. people in this community didn't give up on me, and we are not going to give up on our young people, and it's going to take all of us to be actively engaged if we are going to change their lives and their future. i'm committed as your mayor to do just that. all of the people standing here are committed, so it is time to change the future of san francisco and it starts with the young people in this city. thank you all so much for being here today. [applause]
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>> it's great to see everyone kind of get together and prove, that you know, building our culture is something that can be reckoned with. >> i am desi, chair of economic development for soma filipinos. so that -- [ inaudible ] know that soma filipino exists, and it's also our economic platform, so we can start to build filipino businesses so we
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can start to build the cultural district. >> i studied the bok chase choy her achbl heritage, and i discovered this awesome bok choy. working at i-market is amazing. you've got all these amazing people coming out here to share one culture. >> when i heard that there was a market with, like, a lot of filipino food, it was like oh, wow, that's the closest thing i've got to home, so, like, i'm going to try everything. >> fried rice, and wings, and three different cliefz sliders. i haven't tried the adobe yet,
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but just smelling it yet brings back home and a ton of memories. >> the binca is made out of different ingredients, including cheese. but here, we put a twist on it. why not have nutella, rocky road, we have blue berry. we're not just limiting it to just the classic with salted egg and cheese. >> we try to cook food that you don't normally find from filipino food vendors, like the lichon, for example. it's something that it took years to come up with, to
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perfect, to get the skin just right, the flavor, and it's one of our most popular dishes, and people love it. this, it's kind of me trying to chase a dream that i had for a long time. when i got tired of the corporate world, i decided that i wanted to give it a try and see if people would actually like our food. i think it's a wonderful opportunity for the filipino culture to shine. everybody keeps saying filipino food is the next big thing. i think it's already big, and to have all of us here together, it's just -- it just blows my mind sometimes that there's so many of us bringing -- bringing filipino food to the city finally. >> i'm alex, the owner of the lumpia company. the food that i create is
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basically the filipino-american experience. i wasn't a chef to start with, but i literally love lumpia, but my food is my favorite foods i like to eat, put into my favorite filipino foods, put together. it's not based off of recipes i learned from my mom. maybe i learned the rolling technique from my mom, but the different things that i put in are just the different things that i like, and i like to think that i have good taste. well, the very first lumpia that i came out with that really build the lumpia -- it wasn't the poerk and shrimp shanghai, but my favorite thing after partying is that bakon
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cheese burger lumpia. there was a time in our generation where we didn't have our own place, our own feed to eat. before, i used to promote filipino gatherings to share the love. now, i'm taking the most exciting filipino appetizer and sharing it with other filipinos. >> it can happen in the san francisco mint, it can happen in a park, it can happen in a street park, it can happen in a tech campus. it's basically where we bring the hardware, the culture, the operating system. >> so right now, i'm eating something that brings me back
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to every filipino party from my childhood. it's really cool to be part of the community and reconnect with the neighborhood. >> one of our largest challenges in creating this cultural district when we compare ourselves to chinatown, japantown or little saigon, there's little communities there that act as place makers. when you enter into little philippines, you're like where are the businesses, and that's one of the challenges we're trying to solve.
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>> undercover love wouldn't be possible without the help of the mayor and all of our community partnerships out there. it costs approximately $60,000 for every event. undiscovered is a great tool for the cultural district to bring awareness by bringing the best parts of our culture which is food, music, the arts and being ativism all under one roof, and by seeing it all in this way, what it allows san franciscans to see is the dynamics of the
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filipino-american culture. i think in san francisco, we've kind of lost track of one of our values that makes san francisco unique with just empathy, love, of being acceptable of different people, the out liers, the crazy ones. we've become so focused onic maing money that we forgot about those that make our city and community unique. when people come to discover, i want them to rediscover the magic of what diversity and empathy can create. when you're positive and committed to using that energy,
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>> my biggest take away is that you can always find a way. most people who go into public policies really want to make a difference and have a positive impact on the world, and that's what i love most about my job. i feel like every day at the sfpuc all of the policies that we're involved in have major impacts on people's lives both here in the city and across the state and the nation. in 2017, california senate bill 649 was released. it would have capped the fees that cities such as ourselves would be able to charge telecom companies for the right to use
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or poll for their cell equipments, and it also would have taken away city's abilities to negotiate what the equipment looks like, where they could be placed, and potentially we could even be in a position where we would not be able to stop them putting equipment especially on our light poles. my name is emily lamb and i am director of policy affairs for the sfpuc. i really am involved with a team of people and building a strong coalition of a team of folks. we are working very closely to get this bill defeated and ultimately vetoed by governor brown. >> emily is one of those people who is a bright star with regards to her passion, her commitment, her tenacity and she's just a great, fun person. she's all of the things that you would want in an employee and an ambassador for our
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organization. >> my biggest take away is you can always find a way, especially when something is important and worth fighting for, if you put your heads together with people, and you collaborate, that usually you can find some solution to get to your goal. in this case, it was a bill that most people considered politically difficult to complete, and we didn't have a chance of doing it, but with a lot of strattizing with a lot of different partners, we got it done. my name is emily lamb, and i am the director of policy and government affairs, and i've been with sfpuc for 2.5 years.
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welcome to the land use transportation committee for october 22, 2018. our clerk is erica major and from sf gov-tv, thank you to jim smith. madame clerk, are there any announcements? >> please make sure to silence all cell phones and electronic devices. speaker cards and copies of any documents to be included as part of a file should be submitted to the clerk. fems acted upon today will appear on the october 30, board of supervise source agenda unless otherwise stated. >> thank you. can you please call item one? >> yes. it is amending the planning code to for amending the planning code to require conditional use authorization for restaurant and prohibit new brewpubs within a subarea of the mission alcoholic beverage special use district. >> thank you very much.
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>> please planning code amendments affect the special use district and mission and they're intended to encourage in all retail, arts nonmanufacturing arts in the in addition to thrive and grow, further strengthen protections for legacy businesses and reduce rent pressure on these mom and pops from competing uses and large scale development. as you all know, the mission school district historically working class, thome latino immigrant families. the area has a rich cultural
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history, home to so many nonprofit service community organizations, art institutions, legacy businesses and light industrial jobs. the area's now san francisco's ground zero for displacement and gentrification with devastating and very real damage to both residential and commercial diversity. in response, community advocates and planning department staff with input from other city. departments in cooperation with supervisor ronan's office are using pathways to support a thriving mission that is home to low and moderate income business, place for families, arts and culture, nonprofit community organizations. they have been widely vetted with a variety of stakeholders, commercial and residential groups. i want to speak about misunderstanding about the impact of this change on small breweries. supervisor ronan is a supporter of p.d.r. uses, in mission in particular, and including local beer manufacturing and brew pubs.
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we do now and continue to allow tasting room at small breweries and wineries in the mission alcohol and beverage s.u.d. there was a proposal to restrict those and we considered it but rejektsd it as too restrictive. what is being restricted is the use of the abc-type 75 hard alcohol license. which can be attached to a brewpub use. and that is considered a loop thoel avoid the mission alcohol and beverage s.u.d. that is the only restriction of brew pubs. this package of amendments proactive approach, practical solution oriented changes, many, many thanks to our partners in city departments, diego sanchez and claudio flores of planning and to the very many grassroots community folks who continue to fight for the heart and soul of the mission and i believe diego
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sanchez is here for any questions. i'm happy to take some if you have any. thank you. >> thank you. we'll go to planning department staff report. >> supervisors, diego sanchez with the planning department. they see it as a balanced approach to preserving neighborhood character while still allowing new uses and users within the mission neighborhood. the commission did make two minor recommendations. they are as follows. the first is to allow nonretail professional services at the third floor and above within the mission street n.t.c. and the second is to amend the prohibition on the consolidation or merger of existing ground floor commercial spaces that result in a commercial space, 1500 square feet or greater. the exemption would be to provide -- well, the recommendation would provide an exemption for projects having submitted a complete development application to the planning department as of july
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31, 2018. which is the introduction date for the ordinance. this concludes my presentation. i'm here for questions. thank you. >> thank you. maybe this is a question for both of you. i see that the second amendment recommended by the planning commission or department was taken but the first one wasn't? or was it? about nonretail professional services at third floor and above. >> yeah. we spent some time figuring out what the best way to get to what we were after which is to expound some of the ability of using the third floor spaces for uses other than retail. we realize that within the code t way it was already written, we would be able to address those needs. >> ok. just that one amendment today. ok. in terms of the exemption date or the july 31, 2018 date. >> that is correct.
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>> thank you. supervisor kim? >> thank you. and i'll be happy to move that amendment that grandfathers in projects that submitted an application before july 31, 2018. and by the way, i appreciate that a significant amount of work went into, this and as someone who has tinkered with the mission alcohol beverage special use district, it's been very interesting to watch t*ef lucing from its initial inception when the mission just was overloaded with liquor stores and other types of uses and, of course, it speaks to how much the mission district has changed over the last 30 years. i just had two quick technical questions. one is what is the thinking behind limiting philanthropic administrative services to 2500 gross square feet? i didn't even really know that this was defined in the planning code. and my second question is how
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many restaurants -- limited restaurants and bars are currently within the district? >> i'm going to take those in reverse order. ? this would cap the restaurant at 167 and i believe that within that restaurant spaces so if you can do the math and take back down to what it currently is. and that is a total of 30% of the store fronts, which is more equivalent to a little bit under what valencia has, a little bit under what caliente quatro has and what we think is a reasonable number allowing for some growth, but also considering that potential pressure that restaurants put on the rents of other store fronts. >> and then my second question for mr. sanchez. >> the thinking was to allow these types of uses but not to
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allow extravagantly large ones. so t thinking was initially about 2500 gross square feet. again, these controls like any controls are subject to change as they go on and as you noticed in section four, we also have built in a couple of reportbacks two and five-years to see if these controls are really working at the the sizes that we're proposing or not. >> what is the potential concern you're trying to solve for? most of the controls, i completely understand where they're coming from. for example, ensuring that large projects provide smaller commercial spaces at 1500 square feet and ensures that small businesss that are hopefully neighborhood grown have a chance to thrive in the mission district. what is the fill [hra-pb/] philanthropic administrative service concern? are they take over the mission? >> no, but it is along the same sort of lines. we were trying to open up spaces for the smaller, newer types of businesses. and we -- >> can you tell me what it is?
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>> so, yes, it is a youth that engages in charitable activities typically to provide money, if you will, philanthrophy to -- >> like a foundation? >> a foundation type use, yeah. >> so we want to make sure that foundations don't occupy too much land in the mission? >> spaces, yeah above. yeah. >> thank you. thank you very much. any other questions, comments? seeing none, we'll open up item one to public comment then. any members of the public wifsh to speak, please come on up. >> good afternoon. i think that you already had little exchange about this. i think from meta's perspective, we think that these are good common sense and pragmatic solutions that will
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help stabilize this corner and balance it out and that's what this exchange is, about trying to keep an overall balance and providing most notable opportunities for things like light industrial, or arts uses that weren't previously allowed in this context. and also to encourage our smaller spaces of whatever types including the sort of mom and pops retail spaces that, as we know, have been getting a lot of displacement at this point. so it really just seeks to bring an overall balance to the corridor. we're going to thank everyone who has worked so hard on this. the office of economic and workforce development. and thank you to everyone for bringing this forward and spearheading this as we look for what are these bigger solutions that we need to stabilize this corridor because it has seen an awful lot of displacement as we all know. we think these make senses in a
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very pragmatic kind of way. and the only thing we would like to keep looking as we keep working closely with the supervisor's office and office of economic workforce development, to see what are the possibilitis that exist with certain elements of retail use versus restaurant use, for example, might we want to encourage accessory restaurant use to be in the back of a retail shop, to encourage that retail to be up front. or other kind of creative solutions we might find for issues like that that are tricky. anyway, we strongly encourage you to support this package. and thank everyone for their work on it. >> thank you very much. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i just want to thank supervisor ronan's office of then mraiing department, working closely with the community to create this package that will provide some kind of strategic plan, to be able to maintain our small
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businesses along mission street, to make sure that we retain the small mom and pop businesses and relieve pressure from businesses in the area and the high rents that are happening in the area. as you mentioned earlier, the mission has been impacted greatly. we've seen a lot of our small businesses leave the area. we're seeing quite a few happening again on 2430, although we have our special use district. so, this is a tool. it's not perfect. but lit give us a fighting chance to be able to maintain and make these businesses sustainable. so, we're in support of this package and these amendments and we hope to continue to work to refine this particular plan. thank you. >> thank you very much. any other members of the public who wish to comments on item one? ok. seeing none, public comment is closed. i believe that supervisor kim mentioned a motion for accepting that amendment and then so let's -- oh, supervisor kim? >> that was it. i was just going to make a motion to adopt the amendment.
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>> can we have a motion -- ok. we're going to do that without objection. all right. and then on the item as amended, if we could do that also without objection to send forth to the full board with positive recommendation. >> so move. >> do that without objection. all right. and now let's moves on to item two, please. >> item number two is an ordinance amending the planning code to add new standard required streetskaim provements under the better streets plan, modifying the triggers that would require project sponsors to construct streetscape improvements, clarifying the recommended sidewalk width, expanding curb cut restrictions and affirming appropriate findings. >> thank you. i'm going to turn it over to supervisor kim. >> thank you so much, chair tang. this ordinance has been in the works for a little over two years now. and so i do want to thank a number of people for their involvement.
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this was spuder initially by a project that took place in my district 340 bryants in 2015 where a very large parcel and building that was zoned p.d.r. and being converted to office required additional improvements, particularly pedestrian safety improvements as it is at the mouth of the 80 bridge. and we realized that with a lot of change of uses occurring throughout city, that it would be better to standardize these requirements versus doing them ad hoc per project and changing what requirements we mandate. this legislation is being proposed to help the city meet better of our policy groups or better streets policy, our vision zero policy, our transit first policy and our complete streets policy. it does follow the policy of the original better streets plan in 2015 which gave the
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city the ability to make improvements to the public right-of-way. after several years of experience now implementing this policy, we have learn what had works well and what can be improved, 340s bryant being an example of that. this legislation did involve the input of staff from multiple departments and we-and this legislation will also enable our staff to more effectively implement the better streets plan and improve the safety for people walking and biking and beautifying our city's public recommends and meets what i believe we've been talk about which is that we want more people out of their cars and more people walking and biking and want development to refrekt this. -- reflect this. this legislation does primarily a number of things. it implements the better streets plan through private development projects. this code section allows the city to require large developments to make improvements to the public right-of-way, including widening sidewalks, landscaping, special repaving
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and pedestrian lighting. it also governs curb cuts on certain restricted seats, particularly those streets which have protected bike lanes. this section allows the city to prohibit restrictions on the street0's or require a conditional use authorization to approve a new curb cut on these streets. this ordinance establishs the criteria by which the planning commission will use when deciding if a conditional use authorization has been grant and it creates a criteria that the commission will use if a new curb cut is granted on a restricted seat, which is identified in section 155. it also discusses design review and approval for large projects in the downtowns and eastern neighborhood plan. streamlining allowing projects to consolidate their hearings at the planning commission. currently projects that are required to attend the planning commission under sections 309 or 329 and are required to get a c.u., have to come to the planning commission twice.
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this would consolidate them to come to only one hearing at the planning commission. the legislation will result in safer streets and sidewalks, by reducing conflicts between vehicles and people walk and biking. lit create more beautiful public spaces, improve our transit operations, improve safety and comfort for people waiting at these transit -- we will be prohibiting any curb cuts at muni bus stops and streamlines the process in a more efficient use of city staff time. so we do have the planning department here today to present on this item. and i do have a number of amendments -- well, actually i have four amendments that i'll be introducing after the presentation. after which i will be duplicating the file due to a very important amendment that was requested by the planning commission. which i'm very excited about, which was to eliminate all
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minimum parking requirements city-wide. and so i will be asking today the city attorney to draft those amendments for the duplicated file. along with -- well, i'll get into that later discussions around the m.s.c. district. so, without further ado, and my notes don't say who's presenting, but i see paul walking up to the dais. >> good afternoon. i'm paul chaser. and i want to thank supervisor kim and her staff, especially noelle for helping introduce this and i have a short presentation. but before i do, i want to say the commission approved this unanimously. and recommended all staff recommended amendments to the board and that included some sort of technical group of amendments relocating the $50,000 [inaudible] and 138.1 that was cited in the wrong place in the code. planning staff is recommending the change of use trigger be
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increased from 10,000 to 25,000 square feet, exempting r.h. districts which i think there was consent from and expanding the definition of the bike network to match the kind of definition of the code. and when staff had gone in and taken the 155-r, what we said is if you are required to get as conditional use on a street where there was no minimum park requirements required, i'm sorry, if you're getting -- if a city requires a conditional use authorization to paut street where we said we don't want a curb cut like on the bike network or transit network and you happen to have minimum parking requirements, that seems an unfair thing. we should eliminate parking requirements for projects whose sole frontage is on one of these networks because we have already said we
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