applicable on the supplement al questions, that person's not going to rise to the best group. you may disagree with our characterization, with our assessment. you may pull people up, i want this one in the pool, etc. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. again, i wanted clarification on that because i have no expectation that we'll be looking at 200 applications. but in that question of who's doing the paper screening, who's doing the categoricals? what is your categorization? >> we described it as good, better, best. you can do it as one, two, and three. as an example, we can give you better and best. we can notify president cleaveland of the number of candidates whom we have

qualified, and we can make an assessment at that time that you may not want to even get the materials for, you know, if there are that many. [please stand by].

>> and support -- i think san francisco fire department is one of the diverse in the nation, and that's a proud history that we hope will continue. our process is intended to ensure that people who are qualified, you know, get in the door. >> commissioner nakajo: might be an elementary question, but indeed, can you walk us through who interviews thcandidate from the commission? is it up to the president or all of us or can you give us some insight on that? >> what we've contemplated is the whole commission in closed session will be doing the interviewing. when we have a meeting -- let's see, when you select -- i think it's the december 19 meeting, we're going to give you some draft interview questions, and you'll edit them, change them, decide what you want to ask.

at that point, you'll decide do you want one person to ask all the questions, or do you want to take turns. we'll provide staff examples to you, provide examples of how you might want to do the ranking. we'll give you advice on how you might want to do the closed session, and our director of recruitment would be in the closed session with you, providing advice. it's up to you. i think ultimately since the commission as a whole is going to advance the names with the mayor, i would imagine that the whole commission would want to do the question. >> commissioner nakajo: in terms of the role, we submit to the mayor top three qualified candidates. how is that defined? >> it's up to you. the charter is pretty broad

there. you can decide to rank them, or you can say here are the top three, or you can say here are the top two that we feel. you have flexibility there. >> commissioner nakajo: the mayor can accept, reject, tell us to go back. >> absolutely. the mayor can decide -- i've certainly provided the draft brochure, and she's comfortable with it, so we're confident -- i have confidence that whoever the commission selects, the pool that you'll send to the mayor will provide her a good choice. >> commissioner nakajo: all right. so in the finale of that, as we recommend the mayor charter hires the fire chief? >> exactly, the fire chief serves at the will of the mayor. >> commissioner nakajo: no ratification; our job is done by the time we recommend the three

candidates. >> correct. your job is done by the name you submit the names to the mayor. >> commissioner nakajo: all right. thank you, director callahan. >> president cleaveland: all right. thank you, commissioner nakajo. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: oh, i hate to belabor this point. i know a couple of members that didn't have the rank, and here it is, many years later, and i ran into them, and they still have not taken the test to become the lieutenant. they have this tremendous leadership, they've dedicated their side to the labor organizations, the ethnic group, and 798, however -- that's how

they stay active and contribute on their -- in the way they think. and then, also learning the effort it takes to move up the ranks, especially to batallion chief, which i just thought was more of a move up, and the chief decides that. it's not that simple. it's a very complicated process. you have to put out, you have to earn the stripes, so i'm very much in support of having rank -- having earned rank and maintained rank, not as a compulsory, but as an advantage. you've shown that you've put out -- you have put out to get that. it wasn't a gift, and so i like that. and then, you've showed leadership qualities to move up, and then, maybe deputy chief, whatever you happen to become. i like that. i think that is extremely important at least part of the

criteria, when i know, my opinion, when we sit down to talk, i will put an emphasis on the leadership qualities that person has shown because i know that education and the time and effort is how much more knowledgeable they'll be in doing their job, so i do, for one, like that. and again, the brochure, i think, is terrific. i really think you did a very good job, and thank you again for that. >> thank you. our staff designer, karl harris, i will tell him that you appreciated his work. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. commissioner veronese, you had some additional questions? >> commissioner veronese: sure. thank you. chief, what was the last time your department had a captain's test? >> commissioner hayes-white: i believe the first test after a ten-year absence, we administered. i can get it from staff, 2010,

we tested for the h-30. i'd have to -- i'll get back to you momentarily. it's been -- we have an active captain's list now, so it's about two years -- yeah. so it's -- there's a current captain's list, either '15 or '16, it was administered. i'll get back to you in a minute. >> commissioner veronese: my concern is we could be pulling from a pool of a half a dozen to a dozen people if the captain's list is more than a decade old that we've actually been hired from. >> commissioner hayes-white: so we've had three captain's exams since i've been chief. >> commissioner veronese: you've been chief for a very long time. >> commissioner hayes-white: correct. i've been chief for 15 years. >> commissioner veronese: so my question is how big is this pool that we're limiting ourselves

to? >> commissioner hayes-white: so i could take a moment and text staff and say how many people at the role of captain and above in the last ten years, and i could get that information quickly if he's near his phone. >> commissioner veronese: i think that's important information. if we are talking about a smaller pool, is it possible for the commission to pick somebody that does not have these minimum qualifications or are we tieing our hands here? >> okay. the commission can pick whoever the commission wants, including someone who is not qualified. i think the minimum qualifies are set as a level which we believe is reflective of the likelihood of being successful. however there are people who meet the minimum qualifications

who aren't successful, and there are people that don't meet the minimum qualifications that could be successful. it's a barrier to leap over, but if you'll allow me, i'll quickly send a text message. >> we did have a test in '06, so theoretically, anyone that was hired off the '06 list would be eligible. 11, which puts people on the bubble, unless they have a degree. and then, we have an active list from '16. but any of those captains appointed in '16 would not be eligible. >> commissioner veronese: so unless you took that test in '06, which was 18 years ago, you wouldn't be eligible. >> i believe if you took it then and was appointed around that time, that's close. i'm not involved in this

process, but i think you have a good point is all i'm saying. >> commissioner veronese: if you just the list -- -- if you took the list -- just for the commission's clarification, if you took that list, and you sat on the list and then hired, all of the people that we're going to be considering is from the 2006 because it's the only one that's more than ten years old. so that could be a very small amount of people. i just don't want to tie the commission's hands to that but i guess we're going to get that message from miss callahan, because i see her fingers busy. >> commissioner veronese: and then, while that's being considered, i have a strong preference and i'm a little bit

biased because i'm a born and raised san franciscan, but i would have a strong preference to have at least one of the requirements to be that the chief, once appointed, resides in the county of san francisco. is that a possibility? we do have a chief's residence. >> i think that the problem, and we've encountered this before, is that the california constitution does not allow us to have a residency requirement for public employees. you can have a -- >> commissioner veronese: i'm a public employee and i have a resident requirement to sit on this commission. >> we don't consider commissioners to be employees of the city. >> commissioner veronese: i will challenge you there. i get a w-2 from the city. >> for one thing, your hourly rate is below the minimum wage. >> commissioner veronese: don't remind me, miss callahan, there's a lawsuit there, i'm

sure. >> but there's ways that the commission and the mayor can ensure. i think there are ways to do that. certainly, if i came hoefr and looked at the fire chief residence, that could be a benefit to an individual that didn't live in the city, that could be a benefit. but as a requirement specifically, we're not able to do that. >> commissioner veronese: not. okay. >> okay. my staff is on it. >> president cleaveland: colleagues, i think we have a decision. miss khancallahan, what date is

supplemental question? >> we have a draft that we want to do when we post the application, so within the next day or so, we would say this is fine. >> president cleaveland: if any of my commissioners have any additional questions they would like to add through the brochure -- or not the brochure itself, but as supplemental questions, they should submit them to me, and i'll submit them to you. >> that would be great. i think just to make a distinction between the brochure and supplemental questionnaire. supplemental questionnaire is just demonstrating their knowledge and experience in the areas listed. the interview questions are more likely to be things about whether you have policy questions or, you know, ideas, leadership. those are the things that you want to elicit in the face-to-face interviews. >> president cleaveland: so colleagues, you understand if you have any supplemental

questions that you wish to add, get those to me, and i'll get them to miss callahan to be made part of the initial application package when candidates are applying. we need to adopt the schedule that was presented in the package, and we need to approve the brochure. let's go with the brochure first. do i have a motion to approve the brochure as presented today for the recruitment of the chief of the department. you have additional questions? go ahead. >> commissioner covington: thank you. thank you, mr. president. i would like a quick summary of the changes that were proposed because this document does not reflect our discussion we had this afternoon, so if miss callahan can give us --

>> president cleaveland: all right. miss callahan, can you regurgitate -- >> i believe that was the three. i just wanted to confirm with the education requirements, if we were leaving those degree types as is or was there any other comment on that? okay. >> president cleaveland: commissioner veronese, did you have a question? >> commissioner veronese: well, point of order. i don't think we have the information necessary to approve this if it is not going to contain the initial information of ten years. >> i do expect i'll have it

within a few minutes. point of order, you might -- or approve the hiring plan, for example, or hold it in bans, that approach. >> president cleaveland: do you feel more comfortable with that, commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: ness. >> president cleaveland: okay. thank you. commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: yes. i just wanted to say in response to commissioner veronese's push for someone to live in san francisco, just as a recruitment effort, it might be hohoove the department to add that there is

a residence for the chief of the department. >> so maybe we could include a reference that says something like residence in -- we originally had a reference to it, but it might it look like it was a requirement to be a resident of san francisco. you know, we'll provide a mention of it as potentially available. i know that my team has done a field trip to look at it and believe it is livable. >> president cleaveland: usable. good. >> so we'll add a reference to it in the salary and benefits action. >> president cleaveland: we'll have to approve the budget request to upgrade it in the next budget cycle. i think we have some obstructions there at the door, so anybody that's standing at the door needs to move so the exit is not blocked. so they just need to move over it a little bit, so we'll be in

good order. >> president cleaveland, there are some seats vablg, so i think it would be best if anyone is standing dickly by -- available, so i think it would be best if anyone is standing strictly by the door, it would be best if they take a seat. i think the prevalent safety is for everyone to take their seats. >> president cleaveland: while we're waiting to approve the brochure, let's talk about the process or timeline. a couple of my commissioners will not be available apparently for the january 7 meeting, which will be a special meeting in closed session, so we need to decide -- i mean, our meeting -- our first meeting in january will be january the 9, which is a morning meeting, so we're going to have to back that to january t5, a friday. are you available for that, commissioner hardeman? again, this is voluntary, i'm requesting all the commissioners

to be available for these interviews. it's not a requirement. we only have to have four. so are you good for january 5? that's a saturday -- excuse me, january -- whatever that friday is. the 4. excuse me. january the 4. are you available? are you available? >> commissioner covington: i will make myself available. >> president cleaveland: all right. good deal. then, we will change that date and make it january 4. >> commissioner hardeman: so we're changing the 7. >> president cleaveland: we're cancelling out the 7 and making it january 4, the friday, and january the 8, which is a tuesday. okay. for our special meeting in closed session, which will be held at d.h.r. so with that change, do we need to add a meeting on the november 28 which would be a meeting to

invite members of the did he want to come and talk about what they believe would be qualifications they believe the next fire chief should possess? colleagues, what's your opinion on that? november 28 meeting for the purpose of inviting members of the department as commissioner covington brought up to discuss qualifications that they believe our next fire chief should possess. >> the 28? >> president cleaveland: that's correct. that's a wednesday. >> commissioner covington: that's fine. >> president cleaveland: mr. vice president? >> commissioner nakajo: mr. president, i think that director callahan made a recommendation that perhaps on the special meeting of december 19, did you not, director callahan, suggest that perhaps at open session in the beginning of the meeting, we could therefore take some comments in terms of the

questions that's being asked, and then, we can go into closed? >> yes. >> president cleaveland: we could do that. however if the time for people to apply has closed out. that's the reason i'm putting it before the deadline for applying, so there are people that -- i mean, they can come and talk about what kind of -- you know, attributes of -- a fire chief should have, but if the deadline to apply has passed, is it moot at that point? it doesn't have at much value, so the question, again, remains, do we want to have that special meeting on 28 november for the purpose of inviting members of the department to talk about what they believe should be the kfg qualifications and requirements of the next fire chief. i'm asking you. if you don't want to have the

meeting, we don't want to have the meeting. >> commissioner hardeman: so this would be rank and file, unions and members of the fire department, and if the public wants to come, they can come. >> president cleaveland: right. >> commissioner hardeman: it's good we have that date blocked out. >> president cleaveland: so do i have a motion -- yes, commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: i would so move for that motion. i think that's a good idea to consider those important opinions, but i think it would be counter intuitive to adopt minimum standards before we hear those. >> president cleaveland: before what? >> commissioner veronese: minimum standards before we hear the opinions of the people that we're considering. >> president cleaveland: we're only talking about minimum standards here, commissioner veronese, we're talking about minimum. we have to start somewhere. >> commissioner veronese: i agree, i agree, so we'll be considering -- the purpose of the considering the public and

the members is to consider not the minimum standards but the optimum standards in. >> president cleaveland: correct. >> commissioner veronese: okay. i have a motion on the floor to add a november 28 meeting at 5:00 p.m. and to change the date to january 4 and january 8 for our special closed session and to adopt this calendar for the purposes of recruiting, interviewing, and selecting and recommending to the mayor our next fire chief. i have a motion on the floor by commissioner hardeman. do i have a second? >> commissioner veronese: second. >> president cleaveland: second by commissioner veronese. all in favor? [votin [voting] >> president cleaveland: it's unanimous. >> mr. president, i'm working that day, but that evening, i'm not available. >> president cleaveland: it's not a problem. not a problem.

miss callahan, did you have some information on the numbers that could apply? >> i'm -- they gave me how many captains there are with ten or more years of service, which is ten. what i don't know yet is how many above that, you know, for example, batallion chief, deputy chief, etc., so i'm asking that right now, but you do have ten captains with at the point years. and then, you'll have presumably most of the people above that. >> president cleaveland: okay. commissioner veronese, does that satisfy you? >> commissioner veronese: no, i -- i mean, i don't mean -- this is important, right? whi we're deciding to limit our pool of applicants to so far, i'm hearing the number is ten on the lowest. from what i understand, there are not many more people that are actually eligible. so our question -- the question to us is are we comfortable with

a pool of just ten people? >> president cleaveland: are you wishing to change the minimum qualifications, commissioner veronese? if so, to what? >> commissioner veronese: well, it's a good question. it's a very good question. i want to make sure that we have a deep enough pool of people to choose from, and if these captain's lists, and that's the standard, and we only do them every ten years, then we're limiting ourselves to a very small pool of people. like, i'm wondering on the command staff actually qualify for this list? i would bet you it's probably not more than one or two. >> you're right. >> commissioner veronese: so we are basically saying that all those people on the command staff are not eligible for to apply for this job, with the exception of one or two, and i'm not comfortable making that

decision. so what is that standard? i don't know, but i want to be able to choose for the chief that i think is the most qualified, not because they've got some sort of degree, which the degrees these days, you can be extremely successful without having a degree. >> president cleaveland: thank you. miss callahan, is it customary that these kinds of department heads require ten years? >> i think there was a discussion -- the mayor shared a concern that a person has to have a lot of on the ground experience. however, i'm sure that she would accept the concern of the commission, and really, we want to make sure that there's a deep enough pool from whom to choose. and eefven with the substitutio one option would be to have more

credit with a bachelor's degree. it's who gets in the door. it's a little more work for scott, but that's fine. >> commissioner veronese, do you have a minimum? would you want to reduce it to eight as miss callahan as recommended or are you opposed? >> commission >> commissioner veronese: . >> i do want to note that we, under the chief's leadership have had regular exams, and we're now on a cycle of every four years or so. >> yeah, i want to be very mindful that i'm not involved in this process, nor do i want to insert myself, but i think i

have some knowledge that is -- would be worthwhile to share. so having said that, i'm planning on retiring in the springtime. ideally would be may 5. there is some time because it does seem like there's a lot of uncertainty right now, and i appreciate the thoughtfulness of the discussion. i think commissioner veronese brings a very valid point. we have a talented department at all levels, and i'm proud that i've been able to hired about 1200 of the 1800 members of the of the ten year requirement -- and again, i don't want to be part of the process because i think d.h.r. does an incredible job, but to your point, commissioner veronese, there are ten people that have that rank of ten years or more. there's a total of 69 captains, so theoretically, there are 59

people at the rank of captain that are not eligible at the rank they are now. so i'm saying with a little more time and discussion, it would be more inclusive. that's all i had to say. >> commissioner veronese: certainly, commissioners, we know if you had been at station one or station three for the last five years, you have more experience. there's different levels of experience in this department, and so i just don't want to exclude people because i think we have an extremely talented department. and especially, i don't want to exclude people that are on the command staff that want to apply to be chief. and by these qualifications, we're excluding all but two. so we're hearing the only solid number of pool of people we can choose from is 12 of the department. and the people that we could choose from outside of the department could be hundreds.

yes, miss callahan. >> could i make a suggestion? an option could say, you could keep ten years at captain or you could have a lower number at a higher level, also? for example, an existing -- and you could qualify anybody who's currently on the command staff. that's another option. >> yes. >> i mean, it's your call. we're just providing a professional recommendation. >> commissioner veronese: then i would qualify anybody at batallion chief or higher. >> perhaps if they've passed probation. >> commissioner veronese: well, you would have had to have passed probation to be at that level. >> president cleaveland: so you want to erase captain?

>> commissioner veronese: no, you add batallion chief, and. >> president cleaveland: i think we're wasting our time on this, i would say. i think i wouldn't vote for somebody who's a captain. >> commissioner hardeman: i brought up the rank and file through the chair because there are some great people that would make a great chief, but that's not the point. the point is we have captains, and we have a limited number of captains because we don't have openings for captains, so we can't just have everybody just because they haven't been able to be a captain for ten years or a captain. there's only so many possibilities for captains. we had one retirement last year -- and i don't think that was a captain -- or one

retirement last month. so to the best of my knowledge, chief, we're meeting the needs of enough captains. regardless of the fact we might not have the test for a while, do we have any acting captains working now or are they all permanent status? >> all our positions are filled. >> commissioner hardeman: so all the positions are filled -- yes, it was bad we didn't have tests for captains that was over those years. that was for a variety of reasons. but now, i think to try and backtrack for that happening, we're sort of wasting our time. that's sort of my personal opinion. >> commissioner veronese: commissioner, just a point of clarification. i don't think we're saying anything different. i think we're saying the same thing. what i would like to amend this to say is keep a requirement of minimum work experience of ten years to the rank of captain or higher, including anyone who's served as a batallion chief or

hire. so that would include everybody who's been here ten years or more at captain, and including everyone who's batallion chief or higher. so i would move to amendment that provision at such. >> president cleaveland: is that an amendment? all in favor. >> commissioner covington: i'm in favor of that. [voting] >> so basically, we're looking at it there's alternate tiff ways to qualify. one is to be a captain ten years or more, one is to have been appointed batallion chief or captain and above, ten years or more. we're adding a new, different way to qualify to what's already here, and that would be a batallion chief, and that would be anywhere, or only in the san francisco fire department?

>> i think in the san francisco fire department. >> and also, no time requirement on batallion chief? need not have been a batallion chief for any particular period of time. >> commissioner veronese: because presumably, if you're a batallion chief, you've had that experience at captain. no. it's ultimately up to us who we want to choose for. this increases the pool that we can choose from. >> all right. i think we're agreed. >> batallion chief and above? >> yes. >> thank you. >> with that change, then, may we approve the posting for the position? do i have a motion? >> commissioner covington: so moved. >> president cleaveland: so moved by commissioner covington. second? >> commissioner hardeman: second. >> president cleaveland: discussion, vice president nakajo? >> commissioner nakajo: we spent a lot of time on this, and

i hate to have you walk away without something being accomplished, department callahan. i appreciate the formalization and concepts of commissioner veronese. i know it's better than off-the-cuff, but i still need to process this, as well. if the commission in its flavor and its wisdom wishes to accept this, i know that we as a commission can't abstain on a vote, am i correct? am i correct on that, commissioner cal -- >> we only need a positive vote, so i believe people don't have to vote if they don't want to, as long as you have a quorum. >> commissioner nakajo: yeah. conceptually, i think i'm trying to follow it. i think it's just a little quick, but we spent some time on it. i have a lot of confidence in

you, commissioner veronese. i understand your intention, so i just wanted to say that, as well. i guess somewhere along the line, does it change things if we take it back and get it a little more refined or colleagues, if you wish to vote for it, i can support it, i guess. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. i think we've gone over it and made the decisions that need to be made. i see that the commission attorney is present, so may i ask mr. russey to come up regarding abextensions? >> commissioners are required to vote on every matter that comes before the commission unless you have a legal conflict of

interest. i also mention that you should take public comment before you vote on this matter. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. russey. >> president cleaveland: okay. given that, do we have -- chief, would you like to add something -- >> sure. so it's been brought to my attention, and i think it's valid. when you're looking at being inclusive, there are members of the command staff that have not achieved the rank of batallion chief, so they're not captains. some of them may be interested in applying for the position, but they've not held the position for ten years or more. >> commissioner covington: we've already discussed that. [please stand by]

. >> all in favor of accepting the brochure as amended, say aye. [voting] >> president cleaveland: any opposed? it's unanimous, and thank you, miss callahan. >> thank you. so we have, just to clarify, then, the hiring plan and -- as modified, and the brochure. >> president cleaveland: and the brochure. >> thank you. >> president cleaveland: we did add the date november 28, so we'll take public comment as well as input from the department on the additional qualifications that would be supplemental. >> excellent. so when we redraft that today, we'll send it to you and to your fire commission secretary to make sure we captured it

correctly. we changed it to january 5 -- >> president cleaveland: it was january 4. >> that's why i have scott here. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you very much for your time and your talent. madam secretary, would you call the next item. >> item seven, discussion and possible action to adopt changes to the procedural rules governing trial of disciplinary cases added under section 4, procedures for setting a disciplinary case for hearing. >> president cleaveland: mr. russey, please come up. >> good morning again, commissioners. brad russey from the city attorney's office. as you all know for sometime now, the commission has been offering in disciplinary cases, the possibility of an early case resolution conference to members to try to move along the process and see if the department and the member can come to some sort

of resolution short of an expensive and sort of trial that would have to occur. so that's been offered for sometime, but the rules haven't reflected that procedure. at your request, i've proposed some amendments to the rules to codify that procedure form ely. it's on page does 6 and 7 and 8 and 9 on the draft that's before you. first in all cases there'll be an initial case management conference by telephone for the missioner -- commissioner that's sitting as a hearing officer to come to an agreement on dates and also to discuss the possibility of an early case resolution conference. such conferences would be voluntary. the department and the member would have to agree, and they wouldn't be available in termination cases because that is the decision that the commission has made over time in this -- in these conferences.

and i'm available to answer any questions. >> president cleaveland: thank you, counsel. do we have any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner coughing tocvingto. >> commissioner covington: thank you, mr. president. i'm glad there's been an amendment of this process because many members aren't aware that this process is available to them, and i would like to move this item. >> president cleaveland: thank you. any other commissioners wish to add anything? we have a motion on the floor to adopt these changes which are voluntary, obviously. do i have a second? >> commissioner hardeman: second. >> president cleaveland: second, commissioner hardeman. all in favor? [voting] >> president cleaveland: it is unanimous. thank you, mr. russey. madam secretary, would you call the next item. >>clerk: item 8, chief's report.

report from chief of department, joanne hayes-white, reports on happenings in the department since the last meeting, and report from operations, deputy chief mark gonzales, report on overall field operations including greater alarm fires, emergency medical services, bureau of fire prevention and investigation and airport division. and this is also a reminder, we need to be out of this room by 12:15. >> president cleaveland: so make it snappy. >> will do. thank you. message received. good morning, president cleaveland and commissioners. this is my report as the commission secretary said since our last meeting on october 24. first and foremost, i did want to say thank you, commissioner cleaveland for having a moment of silence at the top of the meeting for those that are suffering great losses from what's happening in northern california as well as southern california and including the

tragedy of what happened in thousand oaks last week. not a natural disaster but man made terrorism. so i want to -- and i think you'll hear from cd-2 given the time we'll move things along, but really proud of the members that we've deployed both to the catc campfire and butte county. we did have 40 members out there. everyone is doing very well. they're fatigued. they were deployed a week ago, and we had a strike team, which is five engines, and that's led by the strike team leader, captain siguenza, and there's a total of 40 engines.

we deployed our o.e.s. 4061 rig. and then, we were asked because resources are very limited, another asset, another strike team of which we weren't able to fulfill five, but we sent three more engines, and they sent two more engines to makeup another strike team. they're on a rest day today and will be back working. they're assigned in paradise, so more to follow, but they're all safe and accounted for and really appreciate their hard work. it's even more challenging, i think, and more draining, not only the physical work, but the emotional toll in terms of being on scene and identifying remains and working in conjunction with the local authorities as it relates to finding remains. so that's been a particular challenge, and we really are proud of their efforts. we also -- so they were deployed last week, 11-8, at about 1500

hours, and then, on november 10 at about noontime, we deployed three more engines to the hill fire down in southern california. the officers are lieutenant anthony mark net, mark macias and gary altenberg. they joined us with engines from mountain view and alameda county, and the captain is from mountain view. these are typically two week deployments. the o.e.s. rig, i'm looking at chief gonzales. the o.e.s. rig is up to 21 days? it's up to 15 days. okay. very good. so i wanted to make note about that. just in terms of the events since the last meeting, appreciate all the efforts of the staff, command staff, as well as operations. it was a safe halloween enjoyed

by many and it was uneventful for the most part in terms of any major incidents or injuries on the night of halloween. on the night of the 1st, chief sanof and i attended a committee related to some of the street behavior that we experienced. on the 5th, assistant deputy chief ali and assistant chief gonzales and i had a tone call with san mateo county. he -- phone call with san mateo county. they will get together with chief ali with regard to the assistance they provide to us at the airport. there's a new hotel that's coming on-line later this summer -- or in the summertime,

so they will talk about operations and strategies and tactics. two events, one which supports the san francisco firefighters toy program. it's a program called project glimmer, and they provide funding to our toy program and many other worthy causes. attended that program on the 7th, and then, a number of us, chief zanoff, rivera, zano, and others attended a phoenix society dinner of what's called the old timers. there were five former members of our department acknowledged and received awards at that dinner. so wanted to thank the staff for attending that and recognizing some of our highly regarded retired members. i know i saw him on t.v.

commissioner hardeman and i both had the privilege of attending the celebration of live for willie mccoffee -- life for willie mccovey. and then, i wanted to thank all the entire command staff for participating in the meeting with orange county where we exchanged information. they were interested particularly in our recruitment and retention efforts as well as in conjunction with the diversity of the department. unfortunately, the chief and the deputy chief could not come up because they are dealing with the fires. that evening, chief nicholson, chief ali and i attended a graduation ceremony. noteworthy that mayor breed showed up and really inspired these young people. it's a really great evening and

so have her present, very accommodating taking pictures and was very well received. all of us in the command staff, and i appreciate each and every one of them, attended the veterans day parade on sunday. i know commissioner covington joined us, as well, and i appreciate that. that should be one of the most highly regarded parades, and we had good participation. later that evening at the war memorial, i attended the world war one armistice centennial. did want to acknowledge, and i'll pass it around -- i did

want to acknowledge jesus buchon, you can't go wrong, write it up. she wasn't sure if we'd qualify or be worthy, but the fire department received a bronze award for the healthy mothers workplace for some of our initiatives as it relates to some of our members returning to work after they've had a baby. so thank you for writing that up, and also in the work we do in conjunction with our own d.h.r., not just for mothers, but fathers, as well, because they take leave. so we're very proud of that. commissioner president cleaveland for consideration of adjournment, in addition to what we've experienced in terms of tragedies this last week, we did have three retired members pass

away, and i'd ask that you adjourn in their memoriy. first one was firefighter lynette dryer. she left the department in 2000. second one -- and i had the pleasure of working with all three. sid taylor, who passed away on may 30. and finally, on november 5, retired captain matt pleschia passed away on october 23. that concludes my report. >> president cleaveland: thank you, chief. is there any public comment on the chief's report? seeing none, public comment is

closed. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: yes, real quick, mr. president, i want there as the chief said for the willie mccovey memorial. willie mays, never at a loss for words. but he couldn't say anything, he was so sad. great loss, but the reason i bring this up is the san francisco fire department, with the tribute with the fireboat, to me, that's one of the hingth. i know that whenever i've been out in the fireboat, they seem to enjoy it, and they encourage you to come back.

hopefully, it's not a burden on them. i was thinking, there was three times that i was out on the fireboat that we responded to problems. so each time, actually, it was good the fireboat was out because it was closer to the problem. so any way, i hope that we keep that up with the new fire chief, getting that fireboat out and getting it on the bay and celebrating the events and different things like that. thank you. thanks for your work, chief. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. chief, who was the last person you mentioned? captain mark? >> captain matt plescia. >> commissioner hardeman: mr. president, i hate to do this again. >> president cleaveland: you have something else? >> commissioner hardeman: captain plescia, he typefies

what many of us do, coaching. he had coached for many years, little league kids baseball. that's just another firefighter being a good american and helping the community. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. i see no additional commissioners' questions. chief gonzales, please come up and give us a quick report. >> good morning, president, commissioners, chief, maureen. department chief mark gonzales, operations report for the month of october. within this operations period, we had one greater alarm, third alarm. it was on 405 david court, cross street, jackson. i just want to say that i'm very proud of the job that bob did at that fire as well as the rest of the chiefs. he led it with a very calm

demeanor in a precise, methodical manner. i recommend you all listen to the tactical channel of that fire. they did a good job. overall, i mean, i'm cut for time, so what i will say is this: he made sure that they cleared those stairwells before the tire tac happened. they used inch and three quarter line to put most of these floor does out -- 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. they utilized lines that were nearby the building. there were no sprinklers in this building, but the fire alarms did work. they made a stop on the 14th floor with a house line. they jumped up and down to other

floors with the inch and three-quarters lines. the person on the interior stairwell made sure that the residents got out in an efficient manner. so overall, they just did a fantastic job. he also did a great call to get the 2.5 line ready, our attack line, larger line. he recognized that it could be a win driven event. as most of you know in 1993, we had a high-rise fire, where an eventual fatality died. we went and visited the building later, and inspector -- investigator engler, one of our arson investigators, he surmised, he could see by the burn pattern, that it blew in from the windows, it burned off a wall and made a little bit of a turn out to a window on another corner -- opposite

corner of the building. that window was also a hazard to our members. it went from ceiling to floor. that window popped out, and some of that heat was going out that way, so there was a lot of things that happened at that fire that were great. what was most amazing, they put that fire out in 45 minutes. that's unheard of it. i'd like to go into this more in depth at a later meeting when we have more time, and maybe have the chief present this with the rao at the meeting. >> president cleaveland: do we know what the cause was? >> it's still out, but i can get you for you. >> out of 620 high-rises, 130 that are not residential are not sprinklered. that's where we had our most challenging fires in the '90's up until the early 2000's.

i'm very happy -- i couldn't be prouder, and i'm sure we couldn't be prouder of the people on scene that put that fire out that day. just amazing work. onto the strike teams. i want to thank c.d. 1, a.d.c. fellow, c.d. 3, a.d.c. rivera for working with our wild land strike teams to get that out in an efficient manner. as we've told you before, i've told you before, the strike team that went out, that's strike team leader pablo siguenza. sometimes we're ask for as many engines as we can give. we made sure those company officers were experienced. the strike team