picture with london in her baseball outfit, and then you can all come out.

>> hello, this is the building inspection commission meeting. we are reconvening. i wanted to make a brief announcement that those commissioners that are not in compliance with san francisco campaign and governmental conduct code section 3.1-1031 a. one and b. one will not

participate in the voting of items today. our next item on the agenda is item three, general public comment. the b.i.c. will take public comments within the commission charge a jurisdiction that are not part of this agenda. >> seeing none. >> no general public comment. next item is item four a. commissioner questions and matters. for inquiries to staff, you may make inquiries to staff regarding various documents, policies, practices and procedures which are of interest to the commission. >> i see no commissioners. >> seeing none. >> you can contact me later in the month if there are items you would like to bring for next month's meeting. our next item is four b. future meetings and agendas. the commission may discuss and take action to set the date of a

special meeting and determine those items that could be placed on the agenda of the next meeting, and other future meetings of the build and endorse building inspection commission. our next meeting date is december 19th, 2018. >> seeing none. >> okay. is there any public comment on items four a and b.? seeing none, item five for discussion and possible action regarding ab 082. administrative bulletin presenting guidelines and procedures for instructional just instructional, and seismic engineering design review of buildings and other structures. >> good morning, commissioners. and the deputy director of permit services. i want to wish you a happy holidays and a safe holiday coming up. for our bulletin, 082, it was at the last hearing and it had a trapped marker does watermark on it is why it wasn't approved. i want to thank our engineers

and our staffing group who worked over a year on this to put it together. there are guidelines and procedures for constructional -- constructional and geotechnics reviews. the purpose of the administration bulletin is to present guidelines and procedures for structural, geotechnical and seismic hazard engineering design review of buildings and other structures. i will also add it was up for tall buildings over 240 feet. they will be required for repair review. i will give it to our geotechnical engineer, -- and also for large projects where the foundation does not go -- go down to the bedrock. >> no point of clarification -- >> this needs a vote right now. >> okay. got it. i guess public comment. >> yeah,. is a public comment on this item

claw seeing none, i will do a roll call vote on the item. [roll call] >> the motion carried unanimously. thank you. >> next item. >> our next item is item six. discussion of possible action regarding a proposed ordinance, file 180-0166, amending the building code to enact an expedited and streamlined permit process for electrical vehicle charging stations. >> good morning, commissioners. i am a legislator in public affairs. this is an item we have talked about over the last few months. supervisor tang introduced this sometime ago. essentially, we are conforming with recently passed state law

that requires all jurisdictions in california to expedite electric vehicle charging stations. san francisco has been doing that as a matter of policy and practice for a very long time. this ordinance enables us to codify already existing practices. there was a slight strengthening of the event -- amendment courtesy of the department of environment. we have barry huber uber here who can speak to that, or if you have any questions. we have our chief electrical inspector here to answer any detailed questions. but i would urge you to go ahead and support this. it is a very good thing to ramp up. thank you. >> is barry going to update us on the amendment?

>> i hadn't planned to. the amendment that his proposed was suggested by the code advisory committee. it was asking for the ordinance to include a 12 month timeline for completion of the administrative bulletin that is called for in the ordinance. no substantive change. >> no change to that? so it is just a timeline -- what was the original? >> there wasn't a timeline. there was a suggestion to add one. >> twelve months. that is all the amendment is. okay. >> thank you. is there any public comment on this item? is there a motion to approve? >> moved to approve. >> second. >> there is a motion and a second. we will do a roll call vote. [roll call]

>> the motion carried unanimously. the next item is item seven. update on s.f. permits and project wrecking systems. >> good morning, commissioners. i am a project manager with the department of technology. i want to give you an update on the permit project. i wanted to start off to let you know that due to some personal circumstances, shawn beal and has had to leave the project team. he is transferring his responsibilities to me. for those commissioners that do not know me, my previous capacity on the project, i have been involved with the project since 2014. i have been involved daily on the project since it relaunched in may of 2017. in terms of this change of project leadership, there is not going to be an eruption to the timeline and the activities. i'm sure you have questions

about sean. i'm happy to take those off-line it would not be appropriate to discuss it in a public form. all right. now to the status reports. says the update of last month, we have completed a user acceptance testing in round three. as you can see from the statistics shown here in the top left box of the status read out, the suspects -- of the success right back of the testing was not at all at the quality mark that we expected or need. [please stand by]

>> now, the system is completely developed at this point, so we're not at a point where things are still in development. we're in a mode of testing, fixing the defects, and testing, so i wanted to make sure that was clear to the commission where we are in the state of development. and so as -- as linda, the city c.i.o. presented a few months ago, we are still wanting and

[inaudible] >> that does conclude my comments, and i'd be happy to answer some questions. >> commissioner walker, you had some questions? >> thank you for stepping in.

you addressed my concern, because that is my concern, you can't be two people. you are wonderful, but you can't be two peoples, so i just wanted to make sure we have staffed up whatever you and sean were doing covered adequately. i wonder if we could drill down a little bit on what the failures are and the high rate? what was that about? can you sync it into a sentence or two? >> yes. well, the use cases, if you were to uncover some of the cases in the d.b.i. division, if it was central plan review, their main charter review is getting applications in, getting them through reviews and getting permit cases, so their use cases are all centered around their processes. in terms of the failures, these use cases are a series of steps basically going through a process from start to finish

that's within their job role, and so as they were going through each of those steps, there's steps that are not working. to characterize those in a blanket statement is difficult because they vary, but it's -- it really cancered around discreet function points, you know, not meeting the requirements, and there are issues that are involved with -- with work flow is one of our items. we're moving from a platform, the p.t.s. legacy platform that really does not have -- there's a concept of, of course, tracking the status as they go through permit reviews, but it's not exactly a work flow structure. but we're migrating that status into accela, so it has to mold itself and morph itself into the

more sophisticated work flow status of accella. we have -- although fees with working very well, there are -- now we're testing now -- there's a lot of -- as you guys know from our fee structures, that i know you guys review regularly, there's a lot of complexity in that, so we're teasing out the fine points on fees. >> but that one's working better than it was. >> yeah. fees are being generating. there's just some subtlies that are getting teased out. it's really teasing out those types of things as well as getting through the use cases cleanly. >> being ookay. i got it. makes sense to me. so refeeliare you feeling confi about the process as we are in it, even with the high level of

one and two severity cases beyond what we wanted? >> yeah. i think the actions that we're taking now and planning around now to make sure the next round of u.a.t. to go more smoothly will address the causes of where we are now. and i did want to address your question of i can't be two people. already i do have from the d.t. staff, linda is already giving me a person that will work with me. they are also working to recruit another senior project manager to join, but in the meantime, i do have another resource from d.t. available to me that's going to be stepping in and helping me out. >> okay. >> on the -- kind of the back office-bookkeeping aspect of the project which will be very, very

helpful. >> beiokay. great. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>clerk: is there any public comment on this item? >> jerry dradler. i recognize the complexity of the task that's being undertaken, but i think there's some questions that could be -- or should be asked that could be helpful in pinpointing where we are. my first question is in what area are the bulk of the system failures? my second question is what are the resources that are most c straining using -- constraining moving forward? and my last question is are the business processes changing at this time and causing problems or have the business processes been frozen or locked down? thank you. >> thank you, jerry.

no further public comment? >>clerk: any further public comment? >> no? okay. >>clerk: no. >> obviously, i -- there's three questions that were called out for public comment there. could you address any of those questions. >> oh, i could respond, yeah. the first one, i'm open to coming back or providing a report in the interim that better describes the nature of the failures that we're seeing because as i said prior when commissioner walker had asked, it's hard to just have a blanket statement that covers all bases, and i'd rather provide enough detail that you have an accurate accounting. >> perfect. >> on the other two questions, in terms of resource c constraints -- so -- the d.b.i. staff is fully participating. we have an excellent business sponsor in ron tom. so if the project needs anything

from the business, we generally just go and ask the business ourselves, but if there are any challenges that we need help with, ron tom is our go-to person in that area, and he helps on u helps out, and he's available to us every single day as our business s business sponsor. in addition, accela, they have added their staff when we need it, and p.r.o. which would be a combination of department technology and d.b.i. -- additional d.b.i. staff, apart from this morning's announcement with the departure of sean, we are fully staffed there, as well. so we're not hampered by any resource constraints at this point. and then, the last question in terms of process and

requirements, yes, requirements are frozen. they've been frozen. we wrapped up the design discussions, which was the last opportunity to introduce anything that hadn't been discussed through all the rounds of requirements that happened all the way through the ten months of 2016. those were frozen at the end of january , beginning of february of this year, and that's when our build phase started, which means we've told the developers, these are requirements, please go build it. so that is locked down, and we do have a formal change -- what we call change control process with the product in place because it's just human nature as you're going through discussions with users and they're testing, they'll say, well, what about this? this isn't quite working. so we as a project team is looking at each one of those as they come up, and saying is this a requirement and it needs to be

met or is this something we haven't discussed prior? and if there is not a pressing business need to have to introduce it, then, we put it into our parking lot for ideas, which is actually called or idea factually, which we've got a long list of all the great ideas that have popped up during the pronl that we can't take on as new scope, but we don't want to lose those ideas from the staff. so that is in place and has been in place all year. we do react to legislative changes. we've had a few of those in the timelines of a project where we have to deal with that. if we do have a gray area, where something has been discussed by staff, is it strictly a requirement that needs to be built or is it something new,

then, we go back to our executive committee and ron tom and discuss those and make a determination. >> great. >> see no -- >>clerk: our next item is item 8, 8a, update on d.b.i.'s finances. >> good morning, commissioners. taris madison, deputy department of building inspection. before you is the october 2018 report, and it gives you revenues and expenditures from july through october 2018. i'll just give you the

highligh highlights. it's almost equal there. on the ex-pension side, we did see an increase of almost $1 million, and that's due to early billing of some other departments. basically, that's the other funding we give for services -- departments that provide services to us, and last year, we had a lag in building improvements, but this year, we've got those going. because we're so early in the fiscal year, our projections are just as budget. the data is very preliminary. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, deputy. >> thank you. >>clerk: next item is 8b, update on proposed or recently enacted state legislation. >> good morning again, commissioners. bill strom, legislative and

public affairs. there is a similar solar -- expediting of solar energy permits that again, d.b.i., from a matter of practice and policy has long expedited. there is another state law that we are passing another local ordinance to conform with. supervisor peskin did introduce that ordinance about a year ago. somehow it fell between the cracks, and we're getting it revived. i hope to bring it back to you for your review next month before the end of this year. and again, as i say, that's really just a codification of already existing practices. i will say with respect to supervisor safai's proposed ordinance to have d.b.i. do

additional code enforcement regarding paved over front laws, there will be an enforcement hearing on next friday, the 26. we expect to move that forward with no debate or questions about it. i guess i would also mention that the recently enacted supervisor ronen fire safety additional ordinance did pass. that actually takes legal effect on december 10. but that's the one that both the fire marshall and d.b.i. will have additional property if an owner has a property with still two open fire safety related notices of violation that haven't yet been corrected. somebody in that situation -- and i'm told we don't have very many of those, then either the fire marshal or the building authority, building official could ramp up the requirements

and say you must do sprinklers or you must upgrade your fire alarm system. but with that, i think everything else is covered in my report unless you have any questions. >> commissioner warsaw? >> near and dear to my heart is supervisor peskin's ordinance on demolitions, and i saw the update that it's being discussed with city attorney and d.b.i. and all parties but there is as of yet nothing. if you can continue your diligence to try to get some dates as to when we anticipate this really coming up, it is one of the most important pieces that we need to stage our next joint commission meeting with the planning commission, and so any of your efforts to give us better insights in that so we can plan.

>> sure. i'll be happy to check with his office on that. >> okay. thank you. >> commissioner walker, please. >> i'm -- want to update on tang's -- the multiuse retail. >> oh, okay. >> it looks like it's coming through, and is there anything that we need to do as our -- it's right at the bottom of page 1. >> well, i know the board did amend it on november 13 and voted to approve that, but i think they have postponed the final reading, the second reading, until after the thanksgiving holiday. i don't believe there's anything specific to the building code in that, you know, that's planning code amendments essentially to enable uses to be a little more flexible so that it would be faster to go through the change of use process and therefore we

could address some of these vacant storefront issues. >> right. okay. >> i can get another reading on that for the next meeting. >> that would be good. that would be good to have a sense of -- and if it does affect any of our process. >> we continue to work closely with the mayor's office and the members of the board on improvements that can be made in the vacant storefront situation, and we are getting a lot more reported vacancies, so the total number on the d.b.i. list right now is about 500. >> right. and i think that sprung off of, i think supervisor fewer did her own inventory in her own district. it might be interesting to contact the other supervisors to have them help us. >> right. well, i know we have specifically had similar updates from district three from

supervisor peskin and just recently from supervisor mandelman in district eight. >> great. great. perfect. thank you, bill. >> thank you. >>clerk: next item is 8c, update on building projects. >> good morning. tom hui. as you can see, the construction cost of parties go up 401%. any questions you have? >> see none. >>clerk: all right. next item is 8d, update on code enforcement. >> good morning, commissioners, ed sweeney, deputy director inspection services. i'm here to report on the code enforcement activity at d.b.i. for the month of october.

building inspections performs, 6,159. as you can see, it was a very busy month. >> oh, really. >> complaints received, 491. complaints responded to 48 or 72 hours, 476. complaints received and abated without n.o.v., 241. abated complaints with notice of violation, 73. second notice of violations referred to code enforcement, 40. housing inspection services, house inspections formed, 1,041. complaints received, 388. complaint response within 24 to 72 hours, 385. complaints with notice of violations issued, 158. abated complaints with n.o.v.'s, 361. number of cases sent to director's hearing, 344. routine inspections, 154. code enforcement, number of cases sent to director's hearing, 74.

number of order abatements issued, 20. number of cases under advisement, eight. number of cases abated, 87. code enforcement inspections performed, 307. nothing -- nothing was referred to the litigation committee, and we did send one to the city attorney's office for action. >> thank you. >>clerk: is there any public comment on the director's report, item 8a through d? seeing none, item d, review and approval of the regular minutes of october 17, 2018. >> move to approve. >> second. >> okay. >>clerk: okay. there's a motion and a second. is there any public comment on the minutes? seeing none, are all commissioners in favor? [voting] >>clerk: any opposed? [voting] >>clerk: okay. the minutes are approved.

the next item is 10, adjournment. is there a motion to adjourn? >> motion. >> second. >> are all commissioners in favor? [voting] >>clerk: we are adjourned. happy thanksgiving, everyone.

shop and dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents to do their shopping and dining within the 49 square miles of san francisco. by supporting local services within our neighborhoods, we help san francisco remain unique, successful, and vibrant. so where will you shop and dine in the 49? >> my name is ray behr. i am the owner of chief plus. it's a destination specialty foods store, and it's also a corner grocery store, as well. we call it cheese plus because there's a lot of additions in addition to cheese here.

from fresh flowers, to wine, past a, chocolate, our dining area and espresso bar. you can have a casual meeting if you want to. it's a real community gathering place. what makes little polk unique, i think, first of all, it's a great pedestrian street. there's people out and about all day, meeting this neighbor and coming out and supporting the businesses. the businesses here are almost all exclusively independent owned small businesses. it harkens back to supporting local. polk street doesn't look like anywhere u.s.a. it has its own businesses and personality. we have clothing stores to gallerys, to personal service stores, where you can get your hsus repaired, luggage repaired. there's a music studio across

the street. it's raily a diverse and unique offering on this really great street. i think san franciscans should shop local as much as they can because they can discover things that they may not be familiar with. again, the marketplace is changing, and, you know, you look at a screen, and you click a mouse, and you order something, and it shows up, but to have a tangible experience, to be able to come in to taste things, to see things, to smell things, all those things, it's very important that you do so. >> this is the hearing of the san francisco entertainment commission. i'm the commission vice president. if you are a member of the public and would like to speak, there are speaker forms you can fill out that are located at the front of the tables, and once

you complete that on hand it to our staff are come up to the microphone, i can call you for public comment. we do ask that you turn off your cell phones or put them on silent and that includes our commissioners and staff. a big shout out to san francisco government t.v. and media services for sharing this meeting with the public. we can start with the roll call. [roll call] >> the other commissioners have excused absences. >> thank you. first order of business is public comment. is there any public comment for items not listed on the agenda? if you don't -- yeah,.

okay. is it for any of the items that are on the agenda? okay. it will come up a bit later. thank you. all right. public comment is closed. the next item on the agenda is item two, approval of our minutes for november 6th, 2018 commissioners? do we have a motion on the approval of minutes for november 6th, 2018? >> i do have -- let's see. page 2, my comment about the chief and up. i think it should be soma -- what is it? it was a night club. the owners' coalition.

it is not just soma. it's kind of weird. just say soma safety commission. i don't know, nightclub owners, stakeholders. >> all right. i moved to approve with that one change and i don't know if there's any others, but i don't have any. >> okay. >> commissioner thomas? >> let's open it to public comment. is there any public comment on the minutes? saying none, public comment is closed. commissioner thomas? >> aye. [roll call] >> okay. the minutes have been approved.

the next item on the agenda is a report from our executive director. >> all right. good evening, commissioners. this is very interesting sitting up here, since i was down below. i just wanted to update you on a quite -- quite a few things this evening. first of all up the world city of culture forum was hosted in san francisco last week by the san francisco arts commission. and both dale and bryce and i were lucky enough to be included in some of the events, including their gallop which was on thursday night. it was a black-tie gala. it was very interesting. we met people from all over the world to serve in arts capacities. it was an amazing learning experience. in future, we would hope to embed in world cities with the

culture forum or create something similar to that around entertainment and music, as we thoroughly believe that this is just as qualifying of an art as anything else. world cities cultural forum was started in the city of london and it's a convenor of city policymakers that share research and best practices and explore the vital role of culture in their future prosperity. so dylan went out afterward and was able to meet and mingle with a lot more of the attendees of the gala and made a lot of really vital connections. we are really excited about that another item i wanted to update you all on, i don't remember the last time we have updated you on this, but this is sound diplomacy. this is a group that is coming to san francisco the week of our

holiday party, december 10th, through the 14th. the office of economic and workforce development and my counterpoint over there put together a request for proposal for a music industry study for san francisco and found diplomacy was the group that was chosen. so this is some of the beginning of their research. they will be conducting group interviews and surveys across our entire music industry. i was included -- i have included a snapshot of sound diplomacy's work here in san francisco within my director report. you can take a look at its. this will be a really interesting prosit -- cross segment arrangement. we are really hoping that we get some action items out of their

visit. this will be an ongoing study and we will keep you apprised of that. i believe some of the commissioners are invited to attend. i think commissioner lee will be invited to one of the discussions. we have a whole discussion around nightlife menu owners and operators as well as event producers. we will be convening those folks that we already work very closely with. that will be a really great project. moving right along, i wanted to introduce everyone to our new deputy director, caitlin. she just started yesterday and although it's only been two days , i already feel so much better. she comes from us -- comes to us from alameda county. i will let her say a couple of words, and welcome, kaitlin.

>> good evening, commissioners. hello. i'm excited to be here, as maggie mentioned, i did come from alameda county. i was previously working with the superior court of california and i am extremely excited to be joining the entertainment commission team and working in this capacity. i am here to help you and support you and i look forward to working together. >> awesome. thank you, kaitlin. another item in my report, and i think this might be null at this point, is a reminder to pleas work with our commission secretary, crystal, and letting her know whatever meetings you cannot attend and at least through january, at this point because we want to ensure we have a quorum moving forward. she has responses from just about everyone at this place. thank you so much. finally, i wanted to update you

about the notice to appear that we issued to halcion and to this information the agenda is already incorrect. it was originally correct when i published the agenda, but the commission hearing for this will now be on december 18th. we are currently working on a very large public records request on behalf of the permit holder. that has essentially pushed back their hearing date. i will keep you all apprised of the work on that item. do you have any questions for me >> i noticed in the pocket a news announcement about mezzanine. >> so sorry. thank you. i forgot to bring that up because it was not on the agenda i don't know -- i believe a lot of you have read about this today. its something that i have known was perhaps going to happen for

quite some time and i'm very sad to hear that it is happening. mezzanine is being displaced by their land owner. and that will be happening within a year. it is a really sad story because they will be -- basically the owners worked with a realtor who said that they could get $50,000 a month in rent if they turn this into office space. that is what they are pushing to do back and this is not a good story. it was a female owned a female run venue, from front doors providing live music in a safe and fun environment for patrons to attend. i push this out to the mayor's his office today. there are a lot of city supervisors who are also really concerned to reach out to the owner. it is getting a lot of media coverage. i think that it is a story we

should share but i think we should look toward solutions and how we can help prevent against this happening again in the future. do you have any questions or thoughts on that? >> i definitely agree that we should look toward solutions to try to prevent this. this is one new victim of many other nightclubs like elbow room and others who have closed down over the years. has more properties look like lucrative for developers, we will continue to see this. i am really sad. i'm sorry to the whole team at mezzanine. i think that why kate we are here to protect nightlife as a commission, and i think that all of us are probably going to be willing to sit down and try and think about what preservation strategies can we have on a city level two support businesses like this. i have had a lot of great memories there, and there's been

an incredible music acts that have come through their. we had our entertainment commission holiday, was at the holiday party? >> jocelyn's going away party. >> there's a lot of history there that is tied to the commission and not. i wish that greed wasn't a factor in how people run their businesses. i'm sorry to them and i look forward to -- i don't know how many more months. eleven more months of really great to nightlife their. we will see what happens in that time. >> keep us in the loop in terms of what, if anything the entertainment commission can do. i know that both members of the board of the supervisors and incoming members of the board are very interested in figuring this out. hopefully they can put pressure on the landlord and save the

space. >> okay. all right. is there any public comment on our director's at report? seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. >> welcome to kaitlin, too. sorry. [laughter] >> welcome. we are all at our ceiling. this is what we are learning about mezzanine. next item on the agenda is a report from our senior inspector >> thank you, vice president. this is inspector burke, and i have some complaints for you. [laughter] >> good evening, commissioners. first and foremost, i wanted to mention a complaint towards the top of the list. it is from november 7th. it is for the knockout. it -- the both of these clubs came through on one complaint,

along with a third bar without a place of entertainment permit. without a permit from us. just a description of their experience with these two places i will have one of our inspectors monitor this core door. it is a place that they go pretty frequently. it -- they make sure doors are closed and make sure, as these clubs empty out, the exit is organized and security is strong definitely something we will keep an eye out for. further down the list, zeitgeist had to watch like complaints come live bands on sunday evening. i talked to both of the complainants and they said that this is something that happens infrequently but this particular time, it was a little overboard with volume. we visited zeitgeist and we will

be in touch with them to see what we can do about bringing them into compliance. same goes with church on 1401 howard, a little bit further down the list. that is a place of both inspectors and i visited. when we saw an event they are driving by about a month ago, we talked to the owner of the church and he's aware of the permitting process. we will follow up again to make sure that he knows that any time he has entertainment that he has to get a permit from us. alloy event space is the last on the complaint list. this is one of many difference co- working and private event café space is that we seen pop up recently. all of them more or less our advertising that they can be rented out for private events. something we will keep an eye on to make sure that when they do have events they get one time

event permits with us or we can try to permit them for llp his or places of entertainment. under the inspections on the first page, at 2516 mission, we are also seeing a rise in places with speakers on patios. which is good for the fixed f. pass. fix placed, amplified sound permit. howells is another one you can see on the back page with outdoor speakers, and we will be forwarding e-mails to kaitlin to bring these places into compliance. ongoing complaints, halcion received four complaints since our last hearing. if you will notice, for most of the complaints on the front page and on the back here, i have put

the day of the week so we have a little bit more reference as to what is going on. three out of the four for halcion were on weekday nights. sunday, two sundays, three on sundays, and then one on a saturday, and stanford june, we have multiple complainants complaining over multiple dates. it is something that director ryland and i have talked to the operators about. the operators are in touch with most of the complainants as well and we have been assured that any events outside of the times and days that they are permitted for will be -- they will be

applying for one time event permits moving forward. i think there was confusing about -- confusion about what they were allowed to do. this is happening very recently. we have had no issues with complaints for quite some time and we hope to have this wrapped up shortly. there has been an influx of complaints about them. that wraps it up. i'm happy to answer any questions you might have. >> i've only got one. so the church, when he got there , what kind of event was it was at a party? was it an adult -- a wedding? >> this complaints came through on thursday evening. we didn't have coverage in the field to inspect. the visit i had mentioned happened may be a month ago. i was out training with antonio

and michael and we were driving around selma and saw the doors open, and windows open, and crowds going in and out and we heard music. we spoke with security and we spoke with the operator to let him know about the permitting process and gave him cards and at the time, i think it was an open house. i think it was haycock here is the space. it is done. come check it out. >> a little background on st. joseph's, i know about this because brian sheehy, who we have seen before this commission several times, he owns and operates several pubs in the city and his consulting with them on this. they are going directly through the board of supervisors for a see you just for this property to allow for arts and entertainment to use.

this will be a very community-based space and we will see them before the commission once they are allowed to do so. in the interim, they know to come to us for one-time and so just a little background. >> the reason why i bring it up is because i remember back in the day, the ymca and things like that, they would host these parties. they would call them birthday parties and what not to. and sometimes violence happens. churches tend to follow if they have space and they do rent out their facilities. but i guess if brian is working with them, at least they have someone professional who will keep an eye on things and represent something more positive. i was just curious. >> it was a church, but it is not a church anymore. the building is right at the corner of kent and howard with the gold domes