clean. what we did is, it polluted the water. adversely impacted the fro flow of the salmon by building dams. so today you've heard those who i say are spiritually touched to speak from their heart and one commissioner, who someone must have spoken to her or read something that has touched her to encourage your other commissioners to do the right thing. but you know, having served three generals, been all over the world, i don't trust legal ease. i don't trust lawyers who are liars. i trust the elders. when i speak to the elders they tell me at one time the hundreds

of miles along the rivers they had fires welcoming the salmon. you've heard today water is life. we fight for that cause. we come here saying things but we are not going to beg. so commissioners, get your act together get mr. richy on board. tell him to dump the junk science he talks about. i'm not asking you to brainwash him, but convince him to do the right thing. and i have 29 seconds left and i give it back to you. >> thank you, francisco. next speaker. and after jackie we have

malisha. >> hello, i'm jackie fawn from the tribe and salmon people. i'm here today not only to ask of you to ensure that the water flows, but to remind you you all work for the public, which is the people, land and water. i'm here to hold you accountable to that job. some of you may have children, even grandchildren and for them, you must do better to ensure that this is here for them and coming generations and if you call the bay hope, would you not do all in your power to protect it? to revive it ask defend it? this is an s.o.s. this is a call to save our salmon. there are two children in this room and i can only imagine what their parents have to do to tell them in a generation, in a few years there is no more salmon. i can only imagine that hurt. as an indigenous woman here, it's important. it's hard not to feel outrage to come to discuss the future of

sacred life, salmon. they're more than just fish. this is our culture. this is my history. this is my blood line. i went to standing rock to fight for the water and got shot at and arrested and to come back here to me, this is a joke to discuss this. the people that may be see salmon the way i see it. the life of all salmon is sacred. it's not a discussion. it's worth rising for. for defending them until the the salmon can run free. so please, please, i not just implore you but encourage you because it is hard to make the right choices and scary at times. i encourage you, not just for indigenous people, not just for you guys but the coming generations. if you make the wrong choice, you will have to tell your children what choice yo choicese today, tomorrow and here on out. that will be the discussion i have with my future children why we no longer have salmon. this is me doing our best to make sure we have something for future generations. thank you. >> thank you, very much.

next speaker, please. are there any other public comments for this item? if so, please, submit a card to the commissioner secretary so we don't miss you. good afternoon. >> i am here today in support of the bay delta water quality control plan. i actually come from the land up in northern california. and we'll be more directly impacted by phase 2 discussed tomorrow. i am here in solidarity with the indigenous peoples of the san jaoquin and bay. i am just here to tell you, kind of my story of living on a river that has experienced the genocide of the salmon and having to handle the struggles of the aftermath of that.

i grew up fighting for our salmon since i was very young. me and my friends all were fighting for the salmon when we were very young and we still continue to. recently, up in our area, we had one of the highest suicide rates in indigenous territories ever recorded. it's been scientifically proven that that is a cause of the genocide of the salmon on our rivers. i was there for eight of my best friends suicides who were all effected by the destruction of our lands and our salmon. they were all there when we were fighting for salmon since we were very young. it is something that effects me everyday. it's not just the salmon, as

says been said. it's everything. it's our daily lives and these rivers are our lifeline. they're life lines to human beings in general. this is going to affect us all. and so, i ask of you all today to stop blocking flow restoration and no dams, no diversions, no pipelines, thank you. >> thank you for your comments. are there any other public comments on this item? yes, sir. thank you for being here. >> thank you for the opportunity. i'll just make this very short. everyone is already spoken to this very he will won'tly so i just want to say, my name is lawrence and i live in hayward. i used to live in the city for

35 years, i now list in east bay. so, i wanted to speak out for the health of the delta. and i think that's what this is all about. the delta health. and so the data and studies prove that the delta has been deteriorating for the last several years and the state ward of quality control delta plan has the best solution guaranteeing a healthier flow of water through the delta. this will stabilize the temperature of the water in the delta and helps control the algae blooms, it gives the salmon a chance there by giving fishermen a life. it promotes wildlife and birds and what they depend on. and other fish too as well. and it maintains a healthier flow through the water to the delta into the bay. thank you, very much. >> thank you, very much.

any other further comments on this item? going once, twice, public comment is now closed. commissioners. >> commissioner moran, you promised. >> i'll try to deliver. first of all, thank you all for coming in. you always give us a lot to think about. i appreciate your taking the time and effort to do that. some of the early comments reflected the frustration of not having the text of voluntary settlement agreement in front of us and i share that. it makes it difficult frankly for anybody to have an informed judgment about what is being proposed. i hope that by tomorrow's board meeting that as much of that as possible is released and made

public. if there are judgment calls to make, make them on the side of disclosure. i think we need to have it out there. really the additional -- most of what i have to say i already said. i think there are three big things that make this effort different than prior efforts. the additional comment i'll make is, some of us have been at this for fifth verfor a very long ti. barrie referenced back to 1641, which set the bay standards that we live under. one of my first things in the water business was negotiating a replacement for that and we did pretty well but it died. and nothing came of that. i was also part of the historic 1994 bay delta accord which was in fact a very positive document and it brought a lot of stakeholders together to agree on frame works of how to

proceed. it did not produce any water. i spent an incredible amount of time and steve richy has spent many, many hours and days and months of his life also working on the program. and it tried to make everybody happy. it tried to involve everybody that had a voice. it had some flaws in it. it was too big and that everyday failed and it produced no water. i'm hopeful this effort will produce water in a timely basis. i am heart end by the emphasis on early implementation and the idea that outcomes are what matters not terms and conditions and that we need to accelerate

efforts that are already underway to identify ways of dealing with diminishing supply. and by that i mean, supplies that have been rededicated to environmental purposes. those things give me a great deal of optimism that, if we don't screw it up t. can actually produce water. it can produce benefits for the fishery now and it can produce experience that as it turns out, that we have not done enough or we've done it wrong so we can adjust that and we accept the responsibility to do that. so that gives me great optimism and i hope that we're successful in that. basically blowing that opportunity. i think it's the first i've seen in many decades of working with this issue and i think we're actually closer to doing something than i've felt in a long time. >> thank you, commissioner moran. commissioners. >> first of all, i just want to thank everybody for coming out.

i know that it is difficult. this access piece is very important just to reflect on because we do meet on tuesday average in the middle of the work days. there's a lot of people who live far away who are effected by these decisions and conversations. who can't be here. i just want to appreciate the people who did show up for your comments and participating in the public process. it's so important. and i said most of what i feel like i wanted to say in the opening comments. i conquer with commission moran on the three main points. i do want to add the fourth. i would like to see it in the form of a resolution, all of these at our january meeting. that fourth being, really, the engagement and help understanding for all stakeholders including us, of what the agreement, even if it's not in its complete form, whatever is released tomorrow and what the real implications

of that agreement are and what the regime will be. i don't think we've done as good of a job at the sfpuc on engaging the stakeholders and the broader public on what it actually means. we've had a lot of assurances that the regime that the p.u.c. has put fourth at the end will be better and stronger for the fish. the state has a different opinion. there's science that has been criticized on both sides of the equation. i think that we can do a lot better explaining, analyze, understanding and hearing what exactly the impacts of both of the proposals are and what the ultimate agreement turns out to be so that we can then make much more of an informed decision and have a informed conversation, which i don't think we've been able to have. i encourage the fourth piece

about peer review and engaging stakeholders and better understanding and communicating what the terms and outcomes of the agreement are. with that. >> thank you, commissioner vietor. >> colleagues. i've heard it a couple times already but i'll just say it again because it's that important. we didn't always have the opportunity to have such engagement from the public on topics such as this. whether it's the freedom of information act, the brown act, our sunshine ordinance. i highly value it. i'm here because i want to be here not because someone told me that i had to be here. we have a saying, in my movement, the labor movement, organize or die. that is about as much of a fact as you can get. i want to associate myself with commissioner moran's comments about the subject matter as well as the comments made by commissioner vietor.

it's not an action item so if there's no other communities, we'll move to the general manager report. next item. >> all right. the next item is the capitol improvement quarterly report. >> good afternoon, commissioners. dan wade. in the interest of time i won't go into the variances on schedule and budget for the various products. i've address those in previous reports. i would be happy to answer questions on those, if you have them. going right into the presentation. so, few highlights during this reporting period. the trade dam outlet works rehabilitation has been final construction commission was achieved. we've mobilized a couple contractors for the home power house.

rehabilitation and kirkwood power house project as well as the mountain tunnel interim repairs and we're mobilizing we have completed testing and poured foundation and it's important for that to stay on code foschedule. we made good regular on the emergency repairs and interim improvements for moccasin. and so, just a few photos to emphasize the -- we expect to have that work completed in the middle of next year. moving to the -- i just want to show you a few photos from the interim or the emergency repairs. reservoir is still empty but

we're making progress in construction and and we have significant components including this catwalk that takes workers to the tower and adjust the gate and a flood event which was not accessible in the march flood event and we've replaced the culvert that got clogged near priest dam which was a scary event. and so emergency repairs. the contractor is working six to

seven days a week, not only the contract but staff managing the contract and they're doing remarkable jobs moved in the work forward and there will be several it's that condition to next year and longer term we need to assess the long-term needs at this facility. with that i'll conclude my report. >> is that the end of that item. >> is there any public comment on that item. public comment is now closed. general manager. >> next item is wastewater enterprise capital improvement program quarterly report. the coordinating commissioner, southeast plan and acting director of wastewater capital programs. i'll try to be brief as well. since our revised baseline in

april, we have two ssip projects at our forecasted to exceed their baseline budget threshold due to competitive bidding. the first project is the oceanside gas utilization project. the second is the measure a pose a dry weather station. again, both of these projects reflect the higher cost due to actual bids received. as for the wastewater capital projects outside of ssip, griffith yard is showing a 16-month schedule variation due to time needed for griffith yard and the greenhouse demolition project. it's part of the commission action for you later today. the southeast community facility project is also reflecting a higher anticipated project budget of 33 and a half million above baseline.

the team is recently issued r.f.p. for contractor and is in the process of evaluating the proposals. this concludes the wastewater enter are prize quarterlenterpr. >> why is it so much more? >> it reflects the needs of the true project. right now, we're carrying an easterly year project and that might be somewhat light. >> so, you underestimated the cost? >> correct. there's been a lot of developments for the is the east community and the cross that we are looking at of additional 33 million represents the true need of that project. >> thank you. >> that was for vice president cane, right to. >> colleagues. we appreciate that. any public comments on this item.

hearing none, public comment is now closed. >> the next item is water enterprise capital improvement program. dan wade. >> so now i'm pleased to present the water capital program. may i have the slides. so the highlights of the reporting period are listed here. i won't read them to you. you can see what they are. a few photos. i do like photos because it helps visualize the progress that's being made. specifically with the long-term improvements project and the contractors are 82% complete bit end of the quarter. as you can see, a number of facilities looking near completion and they're working on utilities and landscaping as we speak. there were a number of burials

that were discovered in archeological features that did delay this project significantly. but, it is making good progress. we're nearing completion. moving to the san francisco west side of the recycled water project, there's a lot of construction taking place at this site. it's about 20% complete currently. including facilities produced 2 million gallons a day of recycled water into san francisco and water and systems in san francisco. this nursery is essentially complete. this is part of the watershed environmental management program. this is great, because this

allows the sfpuc natural resources division to provide a dedicated space to propagate plants for the creak watershed and the other sfpuc projects. we had issues with pathogens a while back so this gives us an opportunity to avoid some of those issues we've had previously. and this provides a great opportunity to engage with community. you can see some of the volunteers that are working at that facility. and finally, in here, right in san francisco, our local water projects program is making good progress. we have about 2.3 miles completed as of the end of the quarter. we're forecasting that at about 13 miles for this calender year. of course, one of the largest projects is the van ness improvement project which say joint protect with m.t.a. and public works. that project is about 30% complete and will have been

delays by about two years, which has slowed progress over all on our program. it is making progress and that concludes my report. >> vice president cane, the van met? >> you said it first so i'm going to say it. those photos are good. the construction photos are good. it would be ideal if we could activate our flicker account or something because especially the ones on the west side, i thought those were good construction photos. it would be nice if they didn't just die here and now for whatever. >> thank you for recognizing that. i want to recognize our photographer. robin, who takes most of the photos that i show in these meetings. she does a great job. >> they're really good shots. >> did i miss something? speak into the mic. are there any public comment on this item? hearing none, public comment is

closed. general manager kelly. >> that actually concludes my report. >> public comments on the general? hearing none. closed. madam secretary, n next item please. >> the sewer system quarterly update. >> good afternoon. howard. acting director of wastewater capital programs. at the close of september. last quarter we closed at 24.8. every phase 1 project has now been initiated. and there are no longer any projects in the pre planning phase. we were able to progress two into close out and two into

completion. there are 13 in construction represented in green. and design with 16 projects are still the biggest piece of the pie in blue. a couple of highlights will be in the next few slides. the m.o.a. with the california state historic preservation office has been approved and signed by all parties. this is the last environmental proof we'll need prior to start of construction. the team works towards 95% design and multiple early out work packages which include sewer relocation, demolition, has mat and foundation work will wrap-up design by this winter. all four work scopes are forging ahead. headworks will be integrating a significant art piece into the

architecture facing event avenue. the picture is a rendering of what that art wall will look like when walking along evans. today, later today, we will be presenting agenda for modification of the head works cmtc contract. similar to the other two projects or variances in the wastewater c.i.p. quarterly report, the project is experiencing some higher construction costs from bids received. over all, we are seeing higher concrete and steel commodity prices due to potential trade tariff concerns and a tight competitive labor market with limited resources. these are the unavoidable current market conditions that projects see going out to bid. for current construction at southeast plant, the generation plan demolition project is about 39% complete at the end of september. the photo shows the insulation of a vaporizer that converts liquid oxygen into a gas state.

the 521, 522 project is 88% complete. the center photos depicts the new scape. the project will be done next year. the existing digest gas handling improvement project is about 91% complete and the photo shows more of this new waste gas piping that was installed and tested during this quarter. drum and jackson street sewer improvements are approaching completion. the photo is of a contractor applying a mortar repair ba bacn august. the boxes were inspected and the contractors were able to demobilize in november. griffith pump station improvements are about 80% complete at the close of the quarter. the photo shows a contractor moving bolts and prep, to prep for value replacement. due to delays in some of the equipment, a portion of the to

the dry weather sis ton. and the team closing out the value by the end of the year. the photo is of a rain garden at leland avenue. we will implement the phase 1 project successfully. we are in re-evaluating and confirming the priorities of the projects that are beyond phase 1 with some refinement to the interpretation of the levels of service. as that progress continues, we recognize the need to move forward with some critical projects. each project is outside of the phase one within the approval of the 10 year c.i.p. these are conditions assessment improvements at oceanside and the collection system and flood resiliency. at oceanside phase 1 of the ssif contained funds to complete condition assessment.

with the assessment effort now complete, 11 contracts have been scoped. which will focus on maintaining operation of reliability, health and safety. as you can see in the photo of ventilation ductses that collapsed last month, we have not been able to keep up with the scope improvements and we need to get projects started. in phase 1 we began condition effort of our collection system. sewers and tunnels larger than 36 in diameter. they need to be continued along with the immediate rehab and replacement of the priority assets as identified. there's also a critical connection project from the channel four span to transfer storage box that will provide operational flexibility. another high priority project that we're ready to move forward with is the stormwater improvement project.

this area surrounding the u.s. 101 and i-280 exchange experiences reoccurring flooding and does not meet the level of service storm event. the primary objective of this project is to minimize flooding from the five-year three-tour level service storm. [ please stand by ]

>> we are in the preplanning phase is in looking at alternatives. we know there is a need for this project. >> can you put that slide back up for a minute? as these come before us, it is like we see the upside to the existing sewer and installing the conveyance capacity, i would love a third bullet if it is early enough in the planning

that says investigate, or introduce green infrastructure as appropriate or something. they keep moving that ball down the field. >> one of the things is that this project, in particular, it has bottleneck of flows. it is in the pipes. you can't bring it up and daylight it because it is green infrastructure. so i think that is the main problem is the bottleneck underground. you need to upsize it so it will not -- so the water can go somewhere. as part of identifying what the needs are, we look after -- look at alternatives. we look at is there surface that you can have or you can have green infrastructure, we have to start looking where we can detain some of the water. we need to look at all those options for this project. in fact, we are coordinating with a whole host of people.

we have been working with supervisor ronan because kal tran is doing some work over here. they are doing the freeway office and on ramps. >> is that better? >> yeah. go ahead. >> sorry. [laughter] >> big tunnels. >> so this map outline some of the areas. the project will investigate alternatives to advance the design. we are open. >> great. >> but we are still talking about a large volume. >> i understand. i would like that to be a little bit more integrated as an alternative with proposed discussion. >> certainly. >> thank you. >> from the modelling, here are the before and after reductions of lowering in the lower area with this project. so this is before, and this will

be after. quite significant in the reduction. >> finally, this is a summary of the high-priority projects --dash projects. these are ones we are ready to move forward with. with that, it concludes my reports. i would happy to answer any questions. >> colleagues? >> i just wanted to point out that only -- for almost $300 million that goes away like that. this is a really expensive project. >> i know. i was looking at the price tag. >> are there any comments on this item? this is item number 8. there is a public comment card.

thank you. >> thank you. i just fill that out on the spur of the moment, obviously. a month ago, i was in san diego when i toured their pure water san diego demonstration plant. they intend to recycle sewage water and put it through the same technology that you would see in a desalination plant, although it is not nearly as energy costly, because it is not salty. put it in a local reservoir, and then we all drank the water and went on a tour, and we never would have known. it will be technology that we will see throughout the state of california. we would encourage san francisco to look into it. >> is there any other public comment on the item? it is item number 8. hearing none, public comment is closed. next item, please you are up. >> item nine is the bay area water supply conservation agency

update. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon, commissioners as a -- i will try to. >> speaker-02: along. my remarks will be brief today. i knew you were going to get some discussion about alternative supplies as part of bay delta conversation. i thought it would speak a little to what has been going on so the pie before you is a snapshot of fiscal year 1718. our most recent data for the bousquet agency that purchase water from you, what you will notice is that your supply makes up about 64% of the water that

they delivered. that is pretty typical. it runs 64, 60 6%. but the balance of what they delivered to their customers is made up of quite a few other supplies, imported supplies from the delta and the state water project recycled water. some of them have local surface supplies that i have developed local groundwater, and then there are supplemental supplies that are part of the program that they have with you. the interesting thing is that if you do a comparison over the last ten years, ten years ago to do today, you see some trends that are why we are looking at a new demand study to really figure out what is going on. what we see is total use that is down 21%. that is all sources together for the entire surface area that have gone down 21%. a certain amount of that is drought rebound. the question is, how much quote what does it mean? what is a long-term trend to that? purchases are also down 24%. that can reflect a whole lot of

things. one of the things we will have a better understanding for as we go through the study. recycled water use is up 29%. we are seeing an interesting shift. again, when i looked at this, this is why i said to my staff and the board and the board committee will move forward and hoping the authorization for the contract will be looking at a new demand study. these numbers are significant. that cannot be ignored. with to figure out what they mean for the future. to give you a couple of examples , because the agency his are interesting and unique to use. i just pulled out three of them to give you a snapshot. the city is in the middle of the peninsula down southern san mateo county. essentially it is 100% reliant on san francisco systems, except that in the early 2,000 his, they decided they needed additional supplies to support further development, so they invested in recycled water and

we have seen a growth of that up to where it is now seven% of the supplies that are to be deemed customers. going to the east bay, the alameda county water district, serves the cities of newark, fremont, one of our most diverse agencies for supplies. one of the earlier water districts in the state of california. they purchased water from you and that is roughly 20% of what they used to deliver to their customers. they have an active groundwater management program and surface water program. there is a conjunctive use type of an arrangement. they also import supplies from the state water project and they desalinate groundwater as well, and the use that conjunctively with the brown water -- groundwater management. a very complex operation. we are very proud of that history. lastly, the city of santa clara. the agency in the south, santa clara is diverse but very

different from that situation. your supplies make up a much smaller percentage of what they have, as you know, there are temporary and interrupt role customers. they rely heavily on groundwater they have an extensive recycled water project through the south bay water treatment plant that they operate jointly with san jose. and then they get imported supplies from the santa clara water district. that is a snapshot of all the agencies. one of the things that we do every year is we produce an annual report. so the data i just gave you is 417-18, that report does not yet published. it will be published by february as you can imagine, getting all this data, we want to make sure everything is correct. we do publish it every year. the most recent report that was finalized is this 17 report and it is our website where we make that information available to everybody. i would encourage you all to look at it because it gives a

goods snapshot of the service area. >> thank you very much. >> i have a question. >> what is your ten year comparison? did you somehow include or increase the population? how would you? >> i have those numbers but i do not have them off the top of my head. we have seen an increase in population. i will send that information to you. i don't know what the answer is. >> i was thinking these would be how that would apply with -- within that range of ten years. >> we certainly had increased population, that is where we go back, why is total water use down 21%, that is despite the increase in population. we have seen a significant reduction on a per capita that used both on a residential, and a growth -- gross per capita. kind of everything. that is the trigger. it is like, well, what does that mean? it is a trend we can count on. is it a result of plumbing codes it is the result of different

things or implementing, or is it still reduction from the drought that number would be a lot more if we had not seen the growth we had been seeing in this service area. >> commissioners? >> thank you. is there any public comment on this item? yes, sir,? step right up. [laughter] >> thank you, sir. >> bosca's annual report is exceptionally well done. it is very readable and you go through and learned so much and kudos to bosca. i would suggest, nicole, that you make all those tables spreadsheet readable and available to whoever wants them. >> thank you for your comment. as to any further public comment on this item? hearing on, public comment is closed. next item, please. >> item ten is the consent calendar. all matters listed under here

are considered to be retained by the san francisco public utilities commission and will be acted upon by a signal report of the commission. there will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the public should request. it will be removed from the calendar and considers as a separate item. >> anything to remove? >> would a member of the public like to remove an item? i will remove oh,. there is a motion on the rest. >> we need a second. >> there is a motion, and a second. is any public comment on the motion? hearing on, public comment is closed. all those in favour? the motion carries. >> can you clarify, was that motion on removing the item or was it on approving all the

other consent. >> they motion was improving -- approving the items. >> hello. >> hello. i am the state director with the p.u.c. i'm sorry. i'm not as tall as everyone. i thought i was. so the hm ten o. is to approve the terms and conditions and authorize a general manager to execute a five-year no fee revocable license to friends of the urban forest for use of approximately 2500 square feet of the sewer parcel. basically to serve as a storage area for tree is used by friends of the urban forest and the various programs throughout the city. this use is consistent with the sidewalk garden project. we recommend no chart for the license because the license --dash the licensees is a nonprofitable organization. and it benefits the p.u.c. and a

number of ways. it reduces the maintenance burden on the p.u.c., it benefits the front yard ambassador program and sidewalk garden project by reducing stormwater flows, and just the general public benefit supports the agreements. we are -- we want to make it a more habitable san francisco. >> we table the item until the next meeting. you tut it does you said it yourself you benefits the p.u.c. by reducing the maintenance. we have staff in various classifications that have wages that are connected to state prevailing wages, published at the state of california, and so it may be a benefit that we have an outside entity performing those functions. at a significantly reduced right of pay for folks. i will be hypersensitive, especially this year, to subsidizing these organizations,

because we had this conversation , and commissioner quan did great work with supervisor tang and the p.u.c., but this was the result of the nose in the tent. we need a subsidy. i will tell you, land in this county is no joke. to say we will provide free land so you can store your stuff and basically it is not this do-gooder nonprofit, they are an enterprise. they have a lot of employees. what i asked for, and donna, i will give you the tape. i asked for a list with respect to these kinds of dealings because this is connected to the land deal that we did out there at crocker. so i want to know, and i think a lot of people want to know, not just me, how many employees do they have? what classifications are those employees in? what are the wage rates? what are the health care arrangements? where is the entity located, are

there any complaints that have been filed against the entity, and so on and so forth. it is not much unlike the garden project. what we cannot do is we cannot undercut our own staff and have no strings attached. strings being opportunities for the community work forced to move in, get them on the job training, and move up to some other classification. it is totally disconnected. it is really out of convenience for us, and there's a lot of opportunity that we are really missing. i would like to give that information. i requested it before a year ago i will make sure that you get a list. we cannot keep making the same mistakes over and over again. quite frankly i was surprised to see this on the agenda. not for the first time, not having heard about anything how the city has nothing to do with you, but if there is no objection, that will be the order that we will carry over to the next meeting. colleagues, hearing on -- >> can i make one comment? we did provide answers to some

of the questions you just posed to me just now. is it fair to say you found this to be insufficient? >> yes. >> okay. is it city trees? >> it is trees that the friends of the urban forest use throughout the city as part of the street planning program. >> it's part of our city government. >> in a way. >> these are friends of that. >> it is really d.p.w. >> that i can't say for certain. >> i think they deal with -- >> they are a city partner. >> but we are members, just so you know. we contribute. my organization contributes, but at the same time, the crux of the issue is full disclosure. at the end of the day, if we are going to make a decision under

the offices of community benefit , it has to benefit the community. if the community folks come in here, not operators of nonprofits, of community folks come in here and say look, under my name, these wages, and this labour standard, and every classification, still benefits the community because x. that conversation is an important conversation and it is happening more now than ever before. it is something we missed with the garden project. it is something that i tend not to miss moving forward, but it is just about transparency and disclosure, and i think 1212 weeks is i just want to make sure that -- that means we have to do it for everything. we can't just do it as an agency we would have to ask whoever used our land, whether that wage -- know, know. >> because the string attached is the benefits because the benefit is it relieves us of the

burden of maintaining something. so there is a connection. >> that is one of the benefits. the other benefits i described were the two initiatives. one was front yard ambassadors program where the idea is green greener streets lead to less runoff into our sewer system. >> but they are not really connected. we did that. it may have been contemplated at the time, but it certainly wasn't disclosed. now they do the ambassador's product -- project and they are asking for a subsidy. they are asking to be subsidized i remember this conversation when we went through that. anticipated this piece, but they're asking for freelance. we could do that for contractors who pay prevailing wage rates to the workers. but if we don't know what the wage rates are for the workers, we know we are delegating our responsibility to maintain certain things to a nonprofit.

we can assume that we are saving money on wages, hours, benefits. we can make that assumption pretty safely. that is what i'm getting at. if you want to go ahead with a subsidy anyway, we don't want to give it to many contractors. it has to be transparent. it has to be disclosed. >> my understanding of the model , and may be we need to better understand the model, is that these tree plantings occur in certain neighbourhoods by volunteers, that friends of the urban forest organizes, and then the city, and this was a result of the bond measure that passed whenever it was last year, takes property and takes over the maintenance once the trees are planted. so there is a benefits, aside from the maintenance question, that you did not name, which has to do with civic participation,

civic engagement, where if i want my street to look nicer, and i don't want excess water flowing into my yard, i might then be encouraged to go out there and plant a tree. correct? is that the model? >> i believe so. >> it is a little bit different than a contractor going out there and paying somebody to have a team of workers to come and take jobs away from the city erica to get seems to me. >> i don't want -- to your point , yes. here is the issue. we are going to have a workforce development plan at this agency. we are going to talk about triple bottom line his. we will about strings attached. we will talk about the community workforce and we will talk about minimum labour standards. whatever they are. i will not dictate with the standard is for 50 we know what they are for friends of the urban forest? it is not a hundred% volunteer organization. they have employees who do this

work. >> may i make a suggestion? why not put it off for two weeks >> we have a lot of things that are really important to do. and to discuss this is superficial because there are so many important things on the agenda. i'm totally with you. >> understood, commissioner. the department of the urban forest under d.p.w. it is just part of us. >> i was just trying to understand exactly so that we can be responsive in two weeks. i can go off-line and make sure that everything that the commissioner needs where we have to ask the urban forestry for all their rates and stuff that is requested. >> we will move it to the next meeting. we will not belabour the point. here is what i can assure you. there are people who work for this agency who are part of this

agency that find this to be of critical importance. whether we do or not is not material, there are people that we are supposed to be considering who find this to be of critical importance. i can assure you that. >> if i might, just to your point, one is that there are a lot of issues embedded in this discussion. one of them is the real estate policies that we have, which basically say that, if i get this wrong, i will be corrected, buffer nonprofits, for other governmental agency his, that we make our land available for use at no fee if it is compatible with the utilities. that applies to churches, that applies to profits, neighbourhood organizations, all kinds of people. we give use of our land. you raise a bunch of important issues as to how career pathways

fit into that picture. that we have people who are on our land. what are the opportunities that we have to make sure that people have good jobs and they can transition into city jobs, or for profit jobs? i do want to make one point. it is clear we do not provide plans to contractors free of charge. we cannot do that. that would probably be contrary to the city law and contrary to our policies. we want to deal with the policies. plus the issues you are raising with how to create meaningful opportunities and get paid. >> i will leave it at this. if we ask for these strings, these opportunities for the workers, they will say yes. but we just don't ask. we did not ask for the garden project, and we won't ask these guys if i don't raise it, and the community comes every so often and they say, what are you guys doing? so that is what we will figure

out. we will have full exposure and we will know how many people and what the rates are and we know will what we will pay our people to do the same work and then we will know what we are really saving in terms of the cost of maintenance. i understand that the land use. at the end of the day, there is a critical workforce component and that is what we are doing. we are lining up the dominoes. have a really thoughtful and deliberate, impactful workforce development policy in the summer when we plan to finish. >> may i make one more comment regarding workforce? they indicated that their crews are hired from the city first program where the hospital wraparound program. the green team program hires from a pool of applicants provided to them including hunter's family point, huckleberry youth, and jv asked. >> exactly what i suspected. that is probably about half the rate of pay. as long as a community folks know that we compensate people

at a prevailing wage rate to perform those functions and the community comes in and say we want to 15 bucks an hour, i will make the motion. but they should know that. >> and a interstate -- i understand. >> thank you very much. >> can we have a motion. >> i move -- i don't think we need a motion but i will move it to continue its. i think the chair can go ahead. >> we need a motion. >> i will move to continue it. >> second, is there a second? >> what is the motion? >> to continue it to the january meeting which is more than two weeks away. >> so moved and seconded. is there any public comment on the item? hearing none, a public comment is all closed. the motion carries. thank you. thank you for that. next item, please.

>> item 11 -- >> should i call public comment again? >> item 11 is approved minute numbers and authorize the general manager to negotiate and execute an amendment number 3 to expand the scope of right away services with no change to the agreement amount. >> colleagues? it has been moved. >> seconded. his or any public comment on the item? public comment is closed. public comment is now closed. next item, please. >> item 12 is approve the plan and specifications and contract number hh 995 in the amount of 1,877,735 for the duration of 394 consecutive calendar days for the sierra mountain construction. >> colleagues? >> it has been moved. >> i will second. >> seconded. his or any public comment on this item? public comment is now closed. all those in favour?

the motion carries. >> item 13 is approved the modification number 2 up for contract w. 628 with joint venture in the amount of 36 million dollars, approve and an increase to the existing contract contingency in the amount of $80 million and increased to the existing contract duration contingency in the amount of 75 consecutive calendar days not to improve any contributions to the contract amount of $335,000,000.267000 and the contract duration of up to a total of 2,936 consecutive calendar days. >> i have a question on the item is there a training facility connected somehow to this as far as we know?