>> all right, everybody. we're going to call the meeting to order tonight. welcome to the tuesday, december 18, 2018 commission meeting of the san francisco entertainment commission. my name is ben bleiman, and i'm the commission president. if you are a member of the public, you can fill out speaker cards or you can just come up when i ask for comment. we do ask that everybody turns off their cell phones or put

them on silent, including staff. thank you to sfgovtv for sharing this meeting and we'll start with the roll call. [roll call] >> clerk: for the record, commissioner perez is absent -- or he's excused just for the record. >> all right. the first order of business is public comment, so if there's any public comment for an item that's not on the agenda, now is the time to let us know. seeing none, public comment is closed. the next agenda item is item 2, approval of our minutes from the december 4, 2018 meeting. >> i move to approve. >> second. >> is there any public comment on the minutes from december 4?

seeing none, public comment is closed, and now, crystal, we can take a vote. [roll call] >> the minutes have been approved. [ gavel ]. >> the next item on the agenda is a report from our director, miss weiland. >> thank you. good evening, everyone. this is our last commission meeting for 2018. it's been a pretty exciting year. thanks for joining us. so i just want to give a brief update for our annual holiday party? thanks to everyone who came. it was a big success. we ended up having about 400 attendees throughout the night, and we had senator wiener and mayor breed speak, and we're

looking forward to doing it all again next week. yes, we also had the chief of police there, so that was great. so thank you to everyone who donated food and talent to the venue. it was an incredible night. one very brief update, so we have the appeal that was filed by miss milano, d.b.a. halcyon, this was administrate citation 21841, this was for a citation that we issued on october 13. just a minor update. i submitted our prehearing statement on that on december 7, so our next due dates here are for miss milano for december 21. as the appellant, she'll file a response, and then, we have a chance to respond to that filing on december 28, and that hearing will be with the

controller's office on january 3. so i will inform all of you via e-mail after the hearing how that goes. not agendaized but wanted just toss in an article here in the director's report that came out today, i know some of you are well aware of this, it's in the chronicle, that senator wiener is pushing for the 4:00 a.m. bill that he's pushing for extended alcohol. wanted to keep you all informed of that and amendments at the state level. thank you. any questions? >> all right. are there any comments from the public on the executive director's report? seeing none, public comments are closed. [ gavel ]. >> the next report is a report

from our senior inspector, inspector burke. >> good evening, commissioners. sean burke. a couple notes. one was a chapel at 777 valencia, and someone had booked a band in a parking lot nearby. our inspector fiorentino visited the site, and he was informed that someone booked it who won't be booking it anymore. hotel villa is a place where we have gotten a few complaints from, 138 king street, and they are now in touch with deputy director acevedo, and they will be going through the permitting process. we got a complaint for audio,

316 11th street. inspector fiorentino visited and found them to be not in compliant with our sound limited. and listed, 335 mission, complainant reached out to me, and i've pass the inspector firoentino's information onto her and her information onto invector fiorentino. halcyon, 315 11th street, we got a complaint december 9 at lous base. inspector bennett visited the site and found the sound to be in compliance. jones had two complaints since the last hearing one, sound past their normal hours that

ended at 10:00 p.m., and they were cited for operating at 10:45 p.m., and the second, they had a permitted event until 2:00 a.m., and unfortunately, we did not have anyone in the field to visit during that complaint. so jones has been issued a notice of violation for operating outside the conditions of their permit and now a citation. mission street sport bar's another place that has been in the list of complaints recently. most of the complaints that we're getting about this particular establishment are coming on week nights, so it's been difficult to get staff out to address them, but inspector fiorentino has been in touch with the complainant. now that we know the location of the complainant, we hope to address the complaint more

effectively. that's all i've got for you. if you have any questions, please let me know. >> senior inspector burke, on jones, what are the reasons for getting the citation. >> our usually warning is for any breach of condition on a permit. if we see there is another instance of a violation, then, we give a notice of violation. the next step is a citation, and with a citation, there's a fine associated, and then, if -- >> do you have happen to know the -- do you happen to know the fine amount? >> i believe it's $100. >> and do you know the steps? >> i believe it's 100, and then

200, 500, and 1,000. >> i believe if i'm a promoter, and i'm having an event, it seems that i would take the $100 and take the impact. >> the process administratively, our goal -- not our goal, but our motivation is to track these citations, and if three violations -- if three citations are issued for violations over the course of three months, then that triggers our ability to bring someone into a hearing. that's when we can condition a permit. >> just for the purposes of tonight, would halcyon be an example of that? is that why they are where they are? >> they are not. they have not received three citations in a three-month span. >> okay.

thank you. >> thank you. >> i did have one more question about jones. so we -- we issued a notice of violation to them just previous to the last meeting, is that correct? and inspector fiorentino -- or was that you? >> the notice of violation was issued just before the last hearing by another inspector, and inspector fiorentino went and investigated, and issued a notice notice of violation. it would seem they have chosen to not pay attention maybe as well as they should have. >> okay.

>> looks like we may be hearing more from them. >> yes, we definitely may be hearing more from them. >> okay. one more on that. so who are they actually talking to? the manager in charge? >> young pete, and i've been having conversations with them, as well, and so they know that coming to a hearing and a very real possibility if they continue. their end goal is to actually apply for a place of entertainment, so they want to have the ability to actually go later. and they also know how much of an uphill battle that will be if they continue to get complaints and violations in that time period. >> all right. thank you, inspector burke. >> thank you. >> is there any public comment on you believe expector burke's presentation? seeing none, public comment is closed. [ gavel ].

>> and we will move along to the next item, number five, police department questions and comments. i'm not seeing any police officers here, so this item is closed, and so is public comment. [ gavel ]. >> the next item is number 6, hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment commission. we will begin with the consent agenda which will be approved by a single roll call vote. this will not include time for discussion. deputy director acevedo, can you please announce the next item on the agenda for the evening. >> good evening, president blie ma'am and commissioners. they are -- bleiman and commissioners. >> i will note that this is not

complaint driven. they will continue to host live jazz every night of the week. it is listed with no conditions, therefore, it is on the consent agenda. >> i'd like to move to approve. >> we do -- oh, yes, sorry. >> second. >> all right. is there any public comment on this agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. [ gavel ]. >> there's a motion to approve and a second. [roll call] >> the permit has been granted. please follow up with our deputy director for the next steps. thank you. the next item is our items on

our agenda, applications for permits under the deputy director. >> our first permit application for this evening's agenda is a permission flick for southern pa tisk brewing located at 620 treat street in the mission. the pub plans to use the permit to bring in more music, along with other live bands and deejays. in your file, you will find signature sheets. mission street approves this permit with no added conditions, and here to tell you more is owner chris lawrence. >> hi, everyone. the fact is, actually, i'm trying to make it maybe -- we've been doing the symphony any objection yea

six years now. we've been doing the symphony in the brewery for about six years, i think it's about time to make it right and pay you guys and do the right thing. it brings in a lot of business and it's a local symphony that doesn't get a lot of attention, but it's a really fun things. also, it's to drive business slower days. it takes a lot to fill it. >> so the entertainment that you have will be all promoted and hired by yourself? >> yes. >> no outside promoters? >> no. >> do you have in-house sound system? >> a very small one, just for house -- over the top. >> so basically any amplified music will come from the band or whatever they have? >> yep. >> so how do you plan to

control that if -- obviously, we'll give you a certain level, and you could explain how you'd control that if the band is controlling their own p.a. system. >> i've been a musician in san francisco most of my life. i understand what sound levels are, and i understand the space that i'm in. there's no reason to be louder than -- you know, i'll be on-site if there's going to be an event. >> how big are the bands? >> well, 150-piece symphony orchestra just played on sunday. pretty impressive. unamplified. i'll be there on-site, and it shouldn't be an issue. i'm not looking at making it a venue, i just want to make sure

i can continue to do the things i'm doing. >> there's always somebody maybe want to take a nap in the afternoon or something, but it's just good to have some guidelines or certain procedures. there's a good neighborhood policy that i'm sure you read, so i'm just trying to ask you how much you -- what would you do to -- >> how much sound, obviously, reach out to the people in the area if i was going to have something loud and let them know, along with being able to take to the bands, if they are playing, what the volumes are going to be. >> and this is the first time you actually had musicians in your place? >> we've been doing this six years. >> six years without a permit? >> yes. >> and any neighbors complaining, any problems? >> no. >> chris, did you also hold another entertainment permit at another venue?

>> yeah. i hold an entertainment permit at another venue, and i have a great relationship with the police department there. >> which venue is that? >> the rumpus room. >> i happened to be there when you had a symphony when you didn't have a permit, just by happenstance, but it was a lovely experience. >> okay. i have no further questions. thank you. have a seat. is there any discussion? >> i move approval of the permit with the usual good neighbor conditions. >> i second. >> all right. is there any public comment on this agenda item? seeing none, public comment is

closed. [roll call] >> your permit has been granted. congratulations, please follow up with our deputy director at your earliest convenience for next steps. thank you. next agenda item. [agenda item read] >> -- prior to being able to apply for their e.h.p. in your file, you will find planning commission motion number 20330. the planning commission approved penthouse clubs extended hours of operation from 2:00 a.m. to 4:00 a.m.

daily and plan to review this allowance one year from now. per the planning commission motion, evidence was provided to -- evidence was provided to planning that the building is adequately soundproof and a sufficient emergency plan is in place. the applicant conducted sentencesive community outreach over the last year, including inviting planning commission to the hearing. in your file, you will see significant sheets from patrons who attended the -- signature sheets from patrons who attended the hearings. here to tell you more is a representative from penthouse, jeremy paul, along with the owner, joseph carouba. >> good evening, commissioners. jeremy paul on behalf of the penthouse club. i'd like to briefly introduce what the penthouse club is and

what it's doing. this location was formerly the home of the stone. that's when i first got to know it back in the '80's when it was a major draw for some very lively entertainment and for activity on the street. in the ensuing years, penthouse club has converted the space to a gentleman's club, a very distinct clientele, and a very unique presence on the block. we've had a continual presence at a neighborhood member, and a strong force for improvement on the upper broadway entertainment district. as the leader in creation of the top of broadway community benefit district, pen house club has really been leading the way in making the changes necessary to have a -- foster a

better environment up on the top of broadway, and we're very proud of the work we've done there. and nothing that we intend to do either with this application or anything in the future will ever cause any disturbance to that. i'd like to pass up a couple of brochures if i might. we sent this out to all of our residential neighbors within a 500-foot radius of the property. we wanted to let people know what we intend to do and get any feedback necessary. our first public meeting that we announced for this change in hours, we only got business members -- business community members showing up and plus the local beat cop who had a lot of

interest and support for our application. why do we want this and what is it that we're trying to achieve here? well, certain nights of the week on the top of broadway, there's some very busy clubs that get out that have a very different kind of clientele that we have. and we are -- our first interest was to reduce the impact of incongruous groups being pushed onto the sidewalks simultaneously. frankly, we had our security staff observe some incidents down the block, and we want today do everything we could to allow our clientele to stay put while the other clubs emptied, people went home, and let our clientele sober up after last call, do whatever -- you know,

enjoy the entertainment for a little while longer before they made their way out and headed home. so first, we're trying to decrease the pressure on the top of broadway at the 1:45 to 2:15 a.m. time slot. second, as we got started in this application, there was a lot of interest in the employees, how this was going to affect their work schedule. the planning commission heard from a lot of penthouse club staff, mostly working moms and students and young professionals who are supporting their other careers through their work at penthouse club. we're very excited about the possibility of cutting down their number of shifts that they'd have to work per week in order to maintain the same income. and that was -- became a real incentive for us to pursue this for the benefit of the employees, basically getting

them the same amount of money out of less shifts per week. the planning commission action was a 6-1 vote in favor. the planning commission was very supportive of our desire to do this but very watchful, and they -- their decision included a one-year rehearing. this wasn't a simple check -in but we are to come back for a report, and if there are negative impacts reported of our activities in the 2:00-to-4:00 a.m. slot, then, they will consider further use at that time, they will be able to essentially revoke our c.u. at that time. in the brochure, there's -- one of the questions, it says what

if this creates new for unforeseen problems. the answer is quite simply, if problems arise that can't be resolved, we will return to the 2:00 a.m. closing time. we are committed to the neighbor, and the management stands by that. we do not have noise problems, the penthouse club. we've been studied extensively by salter and associates. we do not have crime problems, we do not have fights. we have very minimal police activity, and we will intend to keep it that way. if you have any questions, i'm happy to answer them, but i'm happy to present the application for the extension of hours. >> thank you. before we have questions, i'd like to ask officer matthias to

come up here. i know he came here to speak on this. >> good evening, commissioners, and staff, city of matthias from central station. central station's position on the extended hours, as we are not in favor of extending the hours. this is based on three main points that centralstration s concerned about. the first is regarding calls for service. this isn't specifically tied to penthouse, but another club that is an after-hours club in the area. and one of the things that the planning commission tasked me was going through the statistics of before 2:00 and after 2:00. that was one of the things that they really wanted to know about. so that data which, in reflection -- just to an example of the other club that

is open after 2:00 a.m., clearly shows that after-hours service increases calls for service at the other club. in the last three years, there have been 45 calls for service at this club, and 29, that's approximately two thirds of the calls, occurring after 2:00 a.m. and on that block, there were 35 calls -- other calls for service, and 13 had to do with after 2:00. so while broadway is winding down during this time, the bars are closing and things are winding down, establishments that have permits to go after 2:00, we're seeing an increase, where the numbers are going up. the second thing we want to talk about is you have to remember our staffing levels with the police department. sfpd staffing levels dramatically decrease at

2:00 a.m. it's not as dramatic as cinderella, but at 2:00, we lose 60% of our watch. that's just not the contradictiocit district, but the entire watch. that's because we have to be able to respond to calls in the afternoons. now, if something occurs, they're already busy because it's not just broad thway that we're talking about. if something occurs, we have to pull officers from all over the city and police our district as we're dealing with situations, which means that those districts don't have the same staffing levels as they're entitled to, so there's only a

certain amount of resources, and it goes by priorities. there's a priorities, b priorities, and c priorities. if you're a person out in the ingleside or richmond district, and you're calling for what's a c priority, it's still pretty important to you, so we like to give good service to everybody. so if it's going after 2:00 a.m., our exposure to more calls is going to be heightened. lastly, the third is there has been some opposition. this is -- this was an e-mail that was prepared for the planning commission. at residents along the broadway corridor, we along with other residents do not see the need for bars to be open past 2:00 a.m. if they are, it just means the number of intoxicated drivers will be increased. the likelihood of greater noise

in the night life would be unhealthy for residents. we do not see any reason to extend the hours offer greed for the owners and other people. other groups that have signed on that are opposed, according to this e-mail is the barbary coast neighborhood, golden gate tenants association, chinatown development community district, broadway neighbors, concerned broadway dwellers, north beach citizens, north each dwellers, telegraph hill, dweller's association, and john yee hall elementary school. the other thing is when we look at the types of crimes, in looking at the reports that are happening in the later hours, we are seeing cases of

prostitution on broadway. when we usually see prostitution, it means pumps are involved, and that usually means guns and narcotics. so that's another factor we're concerned about. in order for a crime to be committed, you just need three things: you need a victim, a suspect, and a location. if you take any one of those things away, the crime can't occur. so as far as central station, central station does not think this should be passed. >> thank you. >> the comment that we just heard from -- in terms of this proposal that they're attempting to mitigation the numbers of people who are leaving club dos in the area a 2:00 a.m. to try to reduce the impacts on the street, what's your take on that as a strategy -- it sounds like they

are trying to reduce the number of people that are on the street at one time sort of in response to the issues from the other club that you're mentioning. >> right, and we are, too. it would just be at 2:00, when people are oftentimes going home, this would be another venue that's right there on broadway, and so we would be going right from the night clubs, but now, we have an alternative, and it would be going over to another club that's right on broadway street, so that would be a concern -- >> so you think people would be going from this club to the one across the street? >> yeah, if it's open, if they still want to continue. you know, they do have -- obviously, there's no alcohol served after 2:00 a.m. we still have -- one of the problems on broadway is people buying alcohol at the liquor

stores prior to 2:00 and sneaking it in. it's a little harder to regulate. if somebody orders a coke or something like that, they go in the bathroom and open up a plastic container or booze, and they continue to drink. >> i can certainly see how that would be harder to monitor, given that's not legal, i think the night club security would be on the lookout for that. i'm not sure how strongly you should weigh something like that of the potential for illegal activity to be happening, compared to thes ability of, you know -- compared to the ability of, you know, the patrons of this establishment. >> i think it's the totality of the situation, looking at our staffing levels, at what the calls for service are. you know, i look at calls for

service specifically at penthouse. it's not huge, but there are incidents there, some involving violence, some involving sexual assault. it does exist. it's not hitting this every single weekend. i wouldn't go out of my way and say it's a problem spot, but it's not crime free, either, and there are problem spots we have to tend to. one of the reports in there talked about going around the area, looking for a prostitute. it was a human trafficking situation where the police were able to separate the pump from the person who was being made to work the area, but they had weapons. so those are part of the concerns that we have, is it is an attraction because you have, you know, a location -- a known location that people know they can go over here and possibly get some people to work the

outside area. i don't think they're going to be able to get inside and start doing prostitution, but the parking lots in the area -- >> so what was the connection between this trafficking episode and this club or are you just saying it was happening in the same neighborhood? >> in the same neighborhood, but in the report, they said they had gone by the different adult entertainment places, basically looking for clients, and so -- and then, there was another report that the person was on the backside, broadway -- you have broadway and kearny, the backside of kearny is columbus, and there was another gun call there, and that was involving prostitution, as well. so it's something we have to look at. and then, also -- you know, any time you have the prostitution and the human trafficking, when the pimps get involved, that's the drugs and human

trafficking. if this was past 2:00, that would be past when the police go home and extend the time of the calls for service. >> got it. but aside from the prostitution you were describing, people were going by the entertainment venues, but there's no responsibility from penthouse or any of the adult entertainment venues for this activity. just trying to understand why you're -- >> i only found one report that specifically tied penthouse to -- it was a theft by prostitution, and that was on a date that was established inside that went outside, but the people knew each other from a prior engagement in las vegas. they said that they worked there at penthouse, and that he was the victim of a theft of about $800, but that was off at his room, but the arrangements

were made there, so there were some correlations. do i think it's going to be a house of prostitution? absolutely not, but i think it's going to attract potentially, from what we've seen in the reports, you know, that is an element out there. and if people are going home, then they're home, but if they have a legitimate reason to be in the area or the parking lots, based on the club still being open, it's going to be more exposure for the police department. >> all right. thank you. >> officer matthias, can i see the letter of the protest, if you don't mind, and then, i'll come back afterwards. >> can i ask staff, did we receive any letters of opposition or support? okay. >> no. no, commissioners, there was no letters of opposition. >> thank you. >> while we're waiting, i did have a couple questions, unless

somebody else -- so -- so you talked a lot about, like, the greater issues that you face on that street, which we're fairly aware of on this commission. are there any specific issues that you've had with this specific club over the years or is this just -- >> as i said, there have been incidents. it's not -- i don't think you could find a club anywhere in san francisco where some things don't -- you know, that things don't happen at. and this goes back, when i did a search for the establishment -- about 14 -- but that goes back over the course of some years. but there have been anything from assaults -- and some of those have involved the bouncers, the staff, and people claiming they were beat up, and that sort of thing, to fights,

you know, with patrons, as well. >> okay. and then, i just had another general question. and i do have an incredible amount of respect for central station and the sfpd and how difficult your job is. i'm just curious about the staffing levels line of investigation here. it just seems to the layperson like myself that specifically on broadway, there's a lot of issues that happen after 2:00 a.m., between 2:00 and 3:00. in the central station, does it dramatically decrease before 2:00? >> at 2:00, the shift ends. a lot of time, they'll hold people over, but that would require authorization and overtime. if something 's brewing or there's fights going on, then, the swing watch does get held over, but that comes at a

price. that results in overtime, and the department's trying to minimize the overtime. >> just given the challenge that you have, would there be any specific changes to their security plan that would make your job more difficult or their job easier or specifically that you thought of it z. >> you know, i was thinking about that. things that are in the good neighbor policy, that would take care of the noise. if there's crowding issues on the sidewalk, that would be addressed. the -- i was even thinking leads training, but there's no alcohol served after 2:00 a.m., so that's not really an issue, either. i don't think that the -- that the security would be going over and watching the parking lots 'cause that's going to be a new issue, is the parking lot, so that would usually be closing after 2:00, and people

would be leaving, would be open more hours. now, is that penthouse's problem? no, that's another lot, and we're going to have to be dealing with that. i don't think i could say as part of a condition, i want penthouse to go over there and provide security for a lot. that's not reasonable, but -- so in this brainstorming, you know, i think keep the sidewalks out in front -- but i don't think there's going to be a whole bunch of traffic out in front. >> okay. >> officer matthias, good evening. i think it goes without saying that i'm a huge fan of yours. some of comments that i make are not directed at you at all. here's what i'm struggling with. looking at this letter of objection that apparently is supported by some extremely credible neighborhood groups, it doesn't speak specifically to the applicant at all. it speaks very generally to the broadway corridor.

unfortunately tonight we're not talking about an after-hours permit for the broadway corridor, we're talking about one specific premises. i'm saying that because in the future, if you speak to them, they be critical to the premises that they're talking about. i think it's unfair to take an over arching statement such as this -- >> is that e-mail was written in preparation for the planning commission in preparation for the conditional use, and so that's when it was authored. >> okay. fair enough. let me ask you a couple other questions. so specifically to penthouse club, how would you describe, some anecdotally, how would you describe them as a operator? >> somewhat good. i'm not going to standup here and say they're anything but

what they are. we don't get a whole lot of calls for service. we do get some. a number of them -- some of them are confidential based on the victim, if it's a sexual assault or sexual battery or that sort of thing, but we still have -- we get a fair amount of calls for service, but not an overly amount. >> okay. just because one of the earlier comments you were making to my one of my -- making to one of my fellow commissioners, clearly, you're not at a point where you would want to file with the a.b.c. >> no. if there were an issue, i'd be working with -- >> towards that, in that direction. >> exactly. >> got it. >> to take care of the issues. >> okay. so then, my only other question -- and i applaud your effort. so the nexus we're trying to

make it we're looking at another club who is operating after hours, and we're using that possibility of service as to how this person might operate. >> yes. and the only reason why that was brought up is those were specific issues that the planning commission wanted, so this was kind of stat driven by the list of the things that they wanted. their big thing was how much is an after-hours night club going to affect the neighborhood? they wanted to see as similar as possible getting the stats from over here because it is in the general area, and they do have an after-hours permit. >> okay. the other thing the commission did point out that i'm having a hard time finding anything specific out is -- i don't want to use their words, but a relatively robust security program. if you don't know about that, i can certainly take it up with

the applicant. that was something they highlighted as their reason for approving it. >> the security plan, it's in line with the -- you know, the things that are needed for the nightclubs and safety. i don't see -- often times, you're not going to have so much a boilerplate -- now, if we had ongoing fights, we would be looking at increasing security or trying to make sure everyone is leads trained, trying to find out what the nexus is for that specific problem. >> sure. okay. thank you. >> i have a couple questions. hello, officer matthias. >> hello. >> i think it's -- well, actually, one thing that i think we've tried to do on this commission is to stagger closing hours or service hours, entertainment hours even just by 1:30 to 1:45 to 2:00 a.m. in general, do you think

staggering does help with crowd mitigation and getting sidewalks thinner than kind of a mass all at 2:00 a.m.? >> staggering sounds -- it's a great idea, but when you think about staggering, is it at a time where we're losing 60% of our staffing levels? and that's what really -- we have to answer the calls, and i can tell you that when people call 911, they want a nice, fast, reasonable response. and obviously, there's different priorities, but everyone's call is important. and that's what we're looking at. there's a call for service here that's delaying service at another location. that's something that we as a police department have to -- >> sure. i ask the question because i think theetcally speaking, we're looking at an area where we will -- theoretically

speaking, we're looking at an area where we'll have alcohol service. commissioners on this commission have supported that, so we're not talking about alcohol service right now, but we are talking entertainment going to 4:00 a.m. i think in the service of trying to manage this industry, talking about staggered closing is important. we have a hearing that'll happen very shortly where we do limit of amount of after hours it can have, the amount of 6:00 a.m.'s it can have. i understand there's kind of labor issues and those things that need to be sorted out once laws may change, but to single out this one particular applicant and say that they'll

exacerbate a problem i think is tricky. because i'd like to see them be a good operator and do it well and to actually show that extended hours can work really well and be managed well. so my other question is i know you just mentioned that the planning commission asked for an example of another extended hours venue on broadway. would you say that all the night time businesses on broadway are managed the same way and behave the same way? >> no, there's differences among the different calls, we have more service calls and issues in front at some places, and that can be based on what the security plan is. most of the adult entertainments are not under the preview of the entertainment commission, so they don't have the same rules that, you know, the good

neighbor policy or specific conditions that you would have for a licensed establishment that does fall under this commission. >> do you see the adult entertainment establishments getting proportionately more calls for service or managing in a disruptive way? >> for as long as i've been there, broadway, you have the night clubs, you have the adult entertainment clubs, and you have the liquor stores, and it's all right there on broadway. there's no way -- you can't say oh, the problem with broadway is this or this or this. it's a combination of a lot of different challenges that we have. you know, a lot of times, you'll have a problem of broadway. well, that's because somebody went over to a liquor store and bought alcohol and is drinking it on the street. it has nothing to do with the night club, per se. you can't just point a finger

at broadway and say, it's the liquor stores, it's the club, it's this. it's just the combination of them being there altogether and the challenges. >> okay. that's all my comments around that. thank you. >> anymore questions for officer matthias? thank you very much for your presentation. yeah, so we'd love to bring mr. paul back up and -- >> thank you, president bleiman. >> okay. so after 2:00, is your kitchen open? >> yes. >> and you'll be serving food until 4:00? >> we hope so. >> they can get a steak at 2:30 in the morning? >> i don't know if steak is going to be on the menu at 2:30. >> and is is there a cover charge there, too?

>> yes. >> so if i'm ordering a steak there, i will have a cover charge? >> i'm not comfortable answering that. if you're coming in and spending money on dinner, they are going to be covering your admission. >> so you are coming in, you are providing a service after 2:00. the entertainment is the background, whatever. but the idea after 2:00, you will be servicing people with coffee or soft drinks or something that they don't have to rush and takeoff and be in the midst of broadway. >> i think a lot of burgers and french fries are going to get slung at those hours. >> you know, my experience of having a club before and trying to get after hours and extended hours, i am a true believer of staggering times, especially this change of shift of the police have been going on for years. i mean, that never changes. and my opinion, and my

experience is that i think staggering helps. but also sobering up the patron or the -- and if anybody wants to have food at your establishment, i'm all for it. so, you know -- and i'm sure your security are all well trained to -- you know, they're already intoxicated, that they will not be allowed in the premise. >> if i may, sir, that is really a central focus of the way the club operates, is what happens at that front door, and what happens the entire sidewalk in front of our club. first of all, there is no loitering allowed. people do not hangout in front of the club. and if there's -- we're gearing up for the possibility that people might come in from other clubs. we have a very strict dress code and behavior models that we enforce, and there will be no drunk people allowed past

that door. the security program is quite robust, and the planning commission had a lot of input from both our staff and from the community about that. if i may just digress a little bit about the letter from the neighborhood, we had several meetings, one hosted by the planning department -- actually, two hosted by the planning department that these neighborhood groups attended. and none of them were able to ascribe particular issues or problems to the operations of this club, and this club has been willing to work with these groups of neighbors to mitigate and ameliorate the problems created by the activity of the district as a whole, and we're to continue working with those groups because our interests ally. it's going to be good for everybody if we do this. >> and the planning

department's given you one year, basically, for a review, right? >> so -- >> and you don't have a problem with that. you feel confident enough -- >> i actually encouraged them to go for less because we feel that if it's not going to be working, we're going to know about it pretty quickly. if there are any problems that we haven't predicted and haven't modelled out in a response to, then, we're going to quit doing it rather quickly. we don't want to continue doing it unless there's a positive for us and for the community. yes, we're very comfortable in a one-year turnaround for evaluation, and we think the motion of the planning commission to take it up as an actual conditional use hearing where they could rescind the see you at that time was very wise. i think it was well done. >> okay. thank you.

>> i have a couple questions. hello, mr. paul. i may have missed this, but can you explain extended hours now and what the motivation behind it is? just kind of curious. >> if i could --ti it's actual something we've been working on with the planning department for the last two years. it's just that it's come up at this time. it wasn't tended to coincide with any other actions going on in sacramento or city hall. we had initially made an application covering two locations owned by the same operator and through working with one of the neighborhood groups, it was agreed that it was not appropriate at the other location, and we withdrew that application and chose to proceed with this application alone. >> okay. thanks for that background. i do want to highlight and commend you for saying that

quite simply, if problems arise that can't be resolve quickly, we'll return to 2:00 a.m. closing time. it's obviously printed on this pamphlet that you gave us, and i'm sure that you reepresented it to community groups. what is the trigger to close this at 2:00 and not keep it going until 4:00. >> it's something because following the planning commission action, we've had another meeting hosted by the planning department with all the neighborhood groups to discuss that exact question, trying to define matrix by which to judge our success. and i think the best we've been able to do is to say, very much like the supreme court said about pornography, we're going to know it when we see it. there aren't any specific

metrics that we can define. we believe firmly, we trust central station. i have a lot of confidence that they will enforce the law, and they will inform us if we're becoming a nuisance. they'll inform the planning department if we are becoming a nuisance. i appreciate officer matthias, the way he's addressed this. we're part of a larger picture up there, and we want to keep it right. >> that leads me to my final question. any time we see a business owner on broadway, it's a nexus of a lot of different issues. [please stand by]