the -- the market. they would account for the space. they realize the business model was not feasible. they pulled out of the space and with the concept. the original proposal in 2014, it was also -- they envision a proposal that it would be innovative concept. we continue to explore because we really feel that the offerings, it is beneficial to the neighbourhood as well as the residents that are coming. >> can you tell if you know what

prompted -- in an area that had so many concerns? >> i don't know the answer to this. i can't comment on this location. i do know that [indiscernible] in 2014, we had conversations with the representatives. and you know, despite what is going on in the market, they repeatedly said the space was not adequate and there was not enough parking. specifically, they had requested 75 parking spaces. again, in 2014, and subsequently, this was a comment

i kept repeating. >> thank you. i have a question. the staff, did the consultants talked about the grocers? >> i believe our consultant talked to some. what we did is we talked to the broker. and we got a lot of feedback. >> hi. we did not speak with the grocers. except we on one location. we did speak to the grocers who are in the area. we spoke with the other grocers

about the parking availability. specifically about the location dynamics for them. and again we spoke with the location specialist who had previously working with trader joes about what they look for in their location. >> okay. thank you commissioner. >> so just in listening, reading the articles, in an effort of taking the job of a full grocery store, i do commend you for that. i also think about of what we

know, all we know is never all there is to know. and personally as a native of the city for over 70 years and coming up before the redevelopment, coming up before the renewal and all of this wonderful work that is going on and creating housing which is to me just great. it is wonderful. however, we don't want to create a shelter that leads people into despair when you don't have affordable groceries. and what i am also wondering if there is a possibility to even speak to the store and ask them to lower some of their costs. how do we do this with having people in our community that

would not consider the residents around them. it is a little bit disappointing that the footage is as small as it is. not needing what is needed. and so with all the redevelopment that is coming forward in that we are doing, if we don't try as was suggested to seek a wider way of searching to meet the needs of a full grocery store, what is going to happen to all of the other areas that are being redeveloped? i believe you have done your work. is there something that you missed? and that is my question.

that is my question. is there something that you missed? is there someone out there that knows exactly what could happen to satisfy the needs? that's my comment. >> i have a couple of questions to traders joes. i will put them in two parts. the store is about 28,000 square feet. which falls into the category to talk about the size of most traditional. we are looking at three categories for groceries. the traditional format. all of which have a minimum

square footage of about 25-30,000 on the minimum basis. to the maximum of about 70,000 square feet. in san francisco, specifically, the trader joes is close to 28,000. the whole foods is close to 40,000. the safeway on jackson is the smallest of those. closer to 25,000. and the safeway on king street is closer to 35,000. so from the onset, the exact square footage here is under the square footage that would be terribly looked at for a -- for the normal format grocer. there would be a transition into the next category which is under a specialty grocer. we covered that with the conclusion that it was the need in the particular area. the last category is the

european market. we addressed that. we need to add the scope. the residents of the neighbourhood do travel down to the ferry building to shop on the weekends. there are a couple of components how people are walking 10-15 minutes to get their needs. coming back to your question, as it relates to creating our neighbourhood synergy and addressing more -- addressing the community aspect, there is a need in the neighbourhood as well for food and beverage operators and services. so that can be served by dinner.

you can venture from anywhere to experience this. >> thank you. and just at the end, one of the things i think about when creating something we look at some of the problems, the things we tried to move away from, and that's crime, despair. and when you have low income affordable housing and you have those that can afford it, everything, it is no problem, the food, everything, they have the quality of life. we want everyone to enjoy that same quality of life. and when it doesn't happen, it

goes to crime. to avoid that, we would do everything we could to look for that full service grocery store where we can put it. and perhaps, someone said that consider -- just looking somewhere else -- instead of the small space would be a two storey building. maybe there is something else that could happen. >> making reference, again our initial proposal included the grocer. we thought the grocer we had proposed [indiscernible] we thought it would be a great

amenity. it would be a comprehensive effort. the property owner has made similar efforts. [indiscernible] they have not been able to secure one as well. it is not just our property. it is other properties as well that have experienced this. >> thank you. commissioner? >> some of them did not do their homework. you came to us with a plan. you were chair and i remember

this conversation and this is what we fear is that people come in and they tell us what they think we want to hear and the homework is not done. later they come back and they say, oh, we can't do this. when we have already told a community what to believe in. there was going to be a grocery store. let's not forget when i was a kid, it was empty at 5:00. but it grew. now, we have places like woodlands coming into an area where there wasn't anybody. there are people who will be growing the area. i think what we have not done and i don't think is a good faith effort is what type of

grocery stores. i see the list of high end grocery stores. i don't see -- where is grocery outlet? where is rainbow groceries? where are the other co-ops that can provide products at reasonable prices. even if you have $175,000 that is stated here, it is so high that you can't, you know, you have to save money. it is good quality food. i don't see those particular places outreached to. and then we have the price. i mean if the rent is, you know, you can get the places to come in. they will show up. you have to make it appealing

for them. so i think you need to go back to the drawing board and take a look at the pricing is for the rent and the tenants improvements. and look at some of these other co-op type of grocery stores. if you make it appealing for them, rent wise, it is going to grow. and i don't want us to be here five years from now when you have 400,000 people living there and you have whole foods coming banging on the door. it is too late. you had your chance. you weren't there for the community when they needed you the most. and now you want to come back. it is abo i would suggest go back and talk and be more creative and talk to some of the other grocery stores that are not as high end as the

list that you have presented to us. and take a look because you came to us with an idea and we voted on the idea. and now that the idea has change changed,. why should the community suffer? and why should we be part of the situation where -- i don't like the language. the commission shall approve -- i'm sorry, we have a voice. and there is a process. and we don't believe the process has been complete, then we could vote no. so the fact that it is even in here bothers me. it is a threat to us. i am not threatened by anybody.

so, you know, i want you to do well. i want the community to do well. i want people to be happy. but i just think we have done enough homework. it was not done in the front end. it provided a space that now is said to be too small. we have to look at other creative options. think about lowering the price. and the rents we offered for the space are significantly lower than the rest of the market. i mentioned in my presentation, it is 75 per square foot. the market is $75 and above. they are $90 to $100 a foot. there is a reduced rate. we do care about this. so we have been creative. in addition to that, in the

market, we are offering the additional improvements. >> i think related it is a resourceful company. i think you can find some options. and i think businesses, grocery stores that come in, you know, understand there is a lot of people who work there -- even if you are a grocery store, do a happy hour special. you are going through the east bay between this hour and that hour. you get a 10%, 15% off. whatever. there are options. i don't think they have been played out. i would not support this.

>> thank you. okay. you know where we are going here. my question or statement is that we as a commission have the commitment to the community. the commission of community investment and infrastructure, if you look at our name. we are offering the low market homes. we as a commission, what are the developers doing to support affordable market tenants or homeowners? we need to provide for the community. it may not be a full service grocery store. we are building the affordable homes, where will they go? they don't have cars because there is no parking.

some of the units are a lease. i am concerned about where we are going and our commitment to the community. and our commitment to the neighbourhood. the community that we want to create. that's one. and then, we have a responsibility and fellow commissioner have indicated that maybe we need to go back and look for more creative ways. people want an experience. they want dining experience or whatever it is. they don't cook at home, i guess. because they can go out and eat. essentially they would want to cook at home. there are no groceries around, so maybe they are going out. maybe the delivery is popular

because there are no grocers that you can walk. i feel like there is a trend coming up here that grocery stores and developers need to look at where is this going. it is almo people -- [indiscernible] it is because there is a need right now in the transbay. what kind of community are we doing if all we have is the woodlands. i can affo't afford to shop the. i am more concerned about the homeowners. what are we doing for them? we have a responsibility.

so i would think that, you know, those who do the research on trends, there could be maybe a greater grocery shopping experience. the population will grow. and we need to look at the trends of the population that is growing five years from now. ten years from now. so i right now, i am at a point of either suspending with the resolution right now. you know what the vote is going to be. it sounds like, right from my fellow commissioners and perhaps come back with alternatives.

and i don't know, just from 25,000 square feet to 12,500. and so that's what i would suggest. what we can do for a resolution on the table. and what is the appropriate way of handling this. >> well, the commission has a number of options. i think you are suggesting by referring to suspension, a continuation of the matter, and asking for the developer to present additional information. so that is one option. you have the option to

disapprove the staff proposed resolution which is based upon the contractual obligation that the agency has with the developer. and presumably the commission disagrees with the staff conclusion that there was good faith made despite the comments of the commission made. or of course you could approve because you find that there was adequate good faith efforts made under the circumstances. so i think in particular, with regard to the suspension -- we will have a continuation of the matter to a future date which you should set if that is your

inclination. >> so our motion would be to continue this matter to either the next meeting -- next meeting is january 15th. i don't know if we have time. a future meeting that is appropriate for the time. we need to have a motion to continue. >> yes. >> i need a motion to continue this matter. i would like to make a motion to continue the matter for 60 days. and during the period of time, the executive director to work with the developer following up with not all of the grocers that are listed, but a sampling. i would like to hear more

directly from them on what gets them to a yes. i would invite -- rather than invite, i would recommend or direct that staff also think of reaching out to rainbow groceries and other grocers. i am sure i could come up with a list of others eventually. and the grocery industry. think about entrepreneurs, think about it creatively where you can give individuals business who may want to create a new or different grocer-type experience that envisions the online components -- a courtesy component as well as the

traditional bread and butter and egg and milk, grab and go necessities of everybody's needs. >> this is a long motion. >> would the 60 days start january 1st? between now and the end of the year? it will be hard. january 1st? >> okay. i am wondering even if 60 days is enough. that there be 90 days. unless you think 60 is better? >> from a staff perspective, more is better. if we can get 90 days, that would be great. >> could we say 60 days -- 90

days with a report in 60 days? >> wonderful. >> sure. >> an amendment to the 60. >> we propose to postpone or suspend it until 90 days starting january 1st. with a report 60 days starting from january 1st, it is acceptable. >> okay. starting 90 days january 1st. this is a long motion and seconded by the commissioner scott. madam secretary.

>> please announce your vote when i call your name. (vote taken) >> the motion is carried. thank you everyone. please call the next item. >> the next order of business is item 6. >> do you want to go first. would you like to go first?

>> hello. thank you commissioners. it is good to be back in the country. i have been out for four weeks. it is good to be in america. one thing, i would like to say is -- [indiscernible] one thing i would like to say. i would like the commission to look into the preference of holders [indiscernible] something was brought up many

times before they changed the redevelopment agency. it is important that the grandkids of the certificate holders, like myself, grandkids have the opportunity. they will be relocated. now that we have the new mayor, we have a commissioner in the district and a supervisor, i think it is time for them to push this and make it happen. so i just hope the commissioners look into that because it is important to those certificate

holders. [indiscernibl [indiscernibl [indiscernible] you guys supported the agenda. and the also the mission district. i go where they allow me to go. sometimes i go out in the city, sometimes it is cheaper than in the city. i know that there is a lot of people who lived in south park.

you will find none of the places in the area now and what happened? they need certificates so they can move back into those areas with the low rent certificate. i have a bunch of family and friends who live down here and they need to have the opportunity to move back there also. thank you very much. it is good to see you. you guys keep up the good work. you are doing a wonderful job. you guys are working very hard.

i commend you. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the commissioners are doing an excellent job. i would say here, briefly, but firmly about the obligations. now, let me be frank with you. you all do a good job with the rest of the city. [indiscernible] you know who i

am talking about. but right now, as said in the presentation, the san francisco trend. the san francisco trend, the population is going down. the budgets are going sky high. what would it be without us. i am sick and tired. [indiscernible] you might as well bring it all back because back in the days you gave respect to activists like me. [indiscernible] we will change

things in the city. y community assistance, service. we are going to make money for enterprise. in our community, you need to come up here, we have the oversight board.

[indiscernible] >> no more speakers? >> we are closing public comment. bring the next item. >> the next item of business is number 7. the next order of business is item 8. report of the executive directors. item 8a report on compliance of october 2017. for the redevelopment areas. discussion, madam director?

>> this item is talking about the community benefit programs. phase i and phase ii. as we discussed several meetings ago, we agreed that once a year, the developer will look at the ideas. we continue to see improvements. the developers demonstrated that there are efforts to comply with the commitment. we see two issues they are working on. we see development and we expect to see more improvement in the next reporting. with job training and community building programs. this is just an informational

item unless there are specific questions. an attachment to the developer outlining the review of the report as well as areas where they need to work on. >> in the citlet me stick to my here. now, this commissio-- i don't k the heck you are all doing. just wasting time.

all that stuff is toxic and everything. so the bottom line right now, you sit down. when we first came here, when there was redevelopment, this was at one time. you go through all of the names of all the characters. i brought a books now. it is time to tell the history. it ain't no mystery. there is a lot of conspiracy. when you look at the book. it is about faces, places, all part of the case. i am not a lawyer or preacher or

teacher. i don't know what is going on. i am going to sit down. i will sit down with the federal government. i want to s i want to sit down with those who sign the contracts. listen, they sign the contract. you can ignore me if you want, but it is on the record. we will investigate. this is a federal issue. [indiscernible] so in closing, i will say this, you know, [indiscernible]

anyway, it is a game changer. >> oscar james. i have been dealing with since 1973. and on the committee. i told them then about the yard. and also, i went back to

washington, d.c. when the honourable bill clinton was president and i brought it up to him for environmental justice law was signed about the toxins in the yard. anyway, some of that about the shipyard and what they are doing, i know in the program, they are talking about having money for a facility. the extension of a health centre behind the park. and funds for that building. it was a two storey building has been approved by the city.

we need additional monies. with what is happening in the shipyard. there will be needed more health care needed in the community. also, your community developers will -- the organization is still in existence, we want them to have say so on employment and job opportunities for people in the community. if we don't work, nobody works. i will say any time to anyone, make sure all are recognized.

we started a program in 1970. [indiscernible] the we -- we want to make sure all are recognized and are given the due diligence they deserve. there is more on my mind. thank you very much. i think the commissioner is doing a tremendous job. she is making sure the community is involved. the commissioner is committed to making sure that the benefit package is being moved forward.

all the residents are recognized. thank you very much. keep doing the good job you are doing. thank you. >> i do have one more announcement. i wanted to give an update to the commissioners. so far, i see back in the summer, the city, asked the department of public health to retest. they found nothing other than the bill. other than that, all they have was the recurring substance. so they deemed it safe. my expectation is they will release a report concluding that

work is completed. they also started a2 and they are about to wrap that up. the expectation as of today, they have not found anything. they were expecting to get a report finally put out from california department of public health on a1 and then a2 which will conclude the cleanup of the retest of the 1 and 2. what to come on phase ii will be provided. >> thank you. >> i wawe are looking forward t work with you and setting the agenda for the coming year. >> thank you, director. >> i look forward to working with you. let's go back to the commissioners.

are there questions on the compliance report? commissioner scott has -- >> i really commend the community benefits project. it is amazing. and i am literally in tears when i read it. grateful. i am in tears. it is wonderful outreach. great help. the grant scholarship. and going over to page 36, again, the -- i think it is close to the very next to last, implement committee expenditures continued. and it says granting san francisco housing development corporation. 116-24. that is page 36.

implementation. phase ii. okay. so then it says, to provide financial empowerment services to expand the financial capability of 100 moderate income households in district 10. how do you select the households for this? so the implementation committee is under a separate package. it does not provide oversight for this. it is outside of the jurisdiction. it is the implementation committee that determines this. the developers has provided the information to get a picture. it is under a different package. >> does that go for the other entities? >> yes. >> okay. thank you so much.

>> any other questions from fellow commissioners? >> i do have one request. i would ask at the next board meeting to have the organization who manages be brought up. you know, we just want to hear from the legacy foundation. if they could give us an update. like everything is great on paper. i would love to also hear from them. i think it is time to hear from them. i think we were here when it was approved. but i would like information on

the next report. thank you for being here. >> there is one more. >> the report, the background -- some of the pages i could not read with a magnifying glass. plain white. thank you very much for being here. madam secretary. call the next item. >> the order of business is item 9. the commissioners questions. madam chair. >> fellow commissioners. do you have any questions? >> i have one. i would like to end this meeting in honour of the man who left a

great legacy and a great mark to the community, especially the african-american community. he provided a lot of information that this commission had been working on all these years to try and make sure that, you know, folks who live in a redevelopment area got the information, the certificates of the workshops. he passed away. and i think it is important for us to just end this meeting in his honour if we can, madam chair. >> of course. we will do that. anything else? >> thank you. i just wanted to mark 6 years of the commission .

december 2012 is when i started the journey. at the time i felt more than -- like i was in kindergarten on some of the topics. i want to thank the staff and the executive directors for having the patience to train me and teach me and give me a wonderful experience as a commissioner. i want to say happy holidays to the fellow commissioners. and to staff. thank you. >> thank you, commissioner. you are not saying good-bye are you? >> to 2018. >> i was with you. both of us were appointed at the same time. 6 years. happy anniversary to both of us. and to the commission.

also the commission. and to the staff. thank you very much. and for all the work that you have put into in making us grow. and achieve all the lists of projects that we have to project. we will see you at the party. >> i am going to the party. i don't know about all of you. and, okay. any other questions? commissioner questions and answers. >> okay. so madam secretary, please call the next business. >> there are no closed session items. the next order of business is item 11. adjournment. >> yes, thank you. we adjourn in honour.

>> the motion to adjourn? >> second. >> moved and seconded by commissioner scott. thank you all for being here. it is 3:25. the meeting is adjourned.

>> i'm rebecca and i'm a violinist and violin teacher. i was born here in san francisco to a family of cellists, professional cellists, so i grew up surrounded by a bunch of musical rehearsals an lessons. all types of activities happened in my house. i began playing piano when i was 4. i really enjoyed musical

activities in general. so when i was 10, i began studying violin in san francisco. and from there, i pretty much never stopped and went on to study in college as well. that's the only thing i've ever known is to have music playing all the time, whether it is someone actually playing next to you or someone listening to a recording. i think that i actually originally wanted to play flute and we didn't have a flute. it's always been a way of life. i didn't know that it could be any other way. >> could you give me an e over here. great. when you teach and you're seeing a student who has a problem, you have to think on your feet to solve that problem. and that same kind of of thinking that you do to fix it applies to your own practice as well. so if i'm teaching a student and they are having a hard time

getting a certain note, they can't find the right note. and i have to think of a digestible way to explain it to them. ee, d, d, e. >> yes. then, when i go on to do my own practice for a performance, those words are echoing back in my head. okay. why am i missing this? i just told somebody that they needed to do this. maybe i should try the same thing. i feel a lot of pressure when i'm teaching young kids. you might think that there is less pressure if they are going on to study music or in college that it is more relaxing. i actually find that the opposite is true. if i know i'm sending a high school student to some great music program, they're going to get so much more instruction. what i have told them is only the beginning. if i am teaching a student who i

know is going to completely change gears when they go to college and they never will pick up a violin again there is so much that i need to tell them. in plain violin, it is so difficult. there is so much more information to give. every day i think, oh, my gosh. i haven't gotten to this technique or we haven't studies they meese and they have so much more to do. we only have 45 minutes a week. i have taught a few students in some capacity who has gone on to study music. that feels anaysing. >> it is incredible to watch how they grow. somebody can make amazing project from you know, age 15 to 17 if they put their mind to it. >> i think i have 18 students now. these more than i've had in the

past. i'm hoping to build up more of a studio. there will be a pee ono, lots of bookshelves and lots of great music. the students will come to my house and take their lessons there. my schedule changes a lot on a day-to-day basis and that kind of keeps it exciting. think that music is just my favorite thing that there is, whether it's listening to it or playing it or teaching it. all that really matters to me is that i'm surrounded by the sounds, so i'm going top keep doing what i'm doing to keep my life in that direction.

>> all right, everybody. we're going to call the meeting to order tonight. welcome to the tuesday, december 18, 2018 commission meeting of the san francisco entertainment commission. my name is ben bleiman, and i'm the commission president. if you are a member of the public, you can fill out speaker cards or you can just come up when i ask for comment. we do ask that everybody turns off their cell phones or put them on silent, including staff. thank you to sfgovtv for sharing this meeting and we'll start with the roll call.