[pledge of allegiance] >> this is a reminder to silence all electronic devices. fire commission regular meeting wednesday, january 9, 2019, and the time is 9:01. item one, roll call. [roll call]

>> clerk: i'd also like to announce an agenda change. we're moving item ten to follow item three, and item number four is going to be continued to the call of the chair. item 2, general public comment. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department personnel. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with a speaker. the lack of a response by the commissioners or the department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> president cleaveland: is there any public comment?

seeing none, public comment is closed. madam secretary? >> clerk: item three, approval of the minutes. discussion and possible action to approve the meeting minutes of the regular meeting on december 12, 2018. >> commissioner hardeman: so moved. >> president cleaveland: is there any public comment on the minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. do i have a motion to approve the december 12 minutes? >> commissioner hardeman: so moved. >> president cleaveland: do i have a second? all in favor say aye? [voting] >> president cleaveland: thank you. they are approved. >> clerk: and possible action to approve the minutes of the special meeting on december 19, 2018. >> president cleaveland: any public comment on these minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, what's your pleasure? >> commissioner hardeman: so moved. >> commissioner veronese: second. >> president cleaveland: there's a second by commissioner veronese. so moved.

we'll go to item ten. >> clerk: item ten is an understanding between the city of san francisco and the san francisco fire department. >> president cleaveland: good morning, mark. >> good morning, president cleaveland, commissioners, chief. mark corso, finance and planning on behalf of the department to speak on the next item, which is a memorandum of understanding between the fire department and city and college of san francisco. thank you for your flexibility for moving this up mainly because we have a few representatives from city college here, and i wanted to be mindful of their time. over the years, there's been many starts and stops to this. it's elsewhere done in the state between community colleges and fire jurisdictions, and that -- the san francisco police department recently entered into an agreement similar to this for their training academy, i believe, last year, so this is a very good thing for the department. it's essentially regarding the training -- currently, as it's

currently constructed, initially, it's for our fire recruit training, fire academy, and the first year of those members' probations. city college gets an apportionment of funding for the state based on students and hours of instruction, so this would be translated into basically a course curriculum for city college along with the probationary period, as well. recruits get registered as city college students. city college provides assistance with that at the initial stages of the academy, and by registering as a student, they get the benefits of being a city college student. counseling services, academic assistance, other resources as needed. there are enrollment fees due, but those will all be paid by the department, so there's no cost to the members. at the back end, the department

gets reimbursed for the hours that are trained by these recruits. our academy is still going to be 20 weeks. no change to the curriculum on the fire department side because of the city college agreement. and the major change for us would be some administrative changes as far as tracking hours, documentation, that sort of thing, but there is a structure in place that they have with the police department that we're looking to pretty much replicate, so we don't feel that that's going to be an issue for us. this is kind of an initial stage. we're trying it with the fire academy in the probationary period, as i mentioned. ideally, we'd like to expand that to offer additional courses at no cost to department members. things such as other fire department courses, officer training, those kinds of things, etc., so we look at this as the beginning of a formal partnership with city college that will hopefully

last quite a while. as i mentioned, there are a few representatives from city college that i would like to bring up. we have edith hail, she's the assistant dean and director of admissions. and jim connors, who's the department chair of administration of justice and fire science. so happy to invite them to speak if you wouldn't mind. >> president cleaveland: yes. bring them up. >> good morning commissioners and chief. >> president cleaveland: good morning. >> as mark introduced me, i'm jim connors. i'm a retired fire department captain. i've been at city college since 1997. i have been fortunate to see

many of our students move onto the department. i am asking you to support and amove the m.o.u. between the fire department and city college. the city college board of trustees approved the m.o.u. on december 13, 2018 and are very excited about this opportunity. discussions on this subject actually started a number of administrations ago as mark alluded to. for various reasons, the timing wasn't right for city college, but now, this opportunity to formalize training by city college and the fire department is here, this will address the basic probationary fire department and field training programs. there are various references in the strategic plan alluding to a relationship between city college and the fire department. much work has gone into curriculum development by city college. there's been a number of meetings between the fire department administration and the city college administrators

that has brought us to this point. this m.o.u. provides a revenue stream for the fire department and city college, which is critical in the light of current budget talks that will be commencing for the fire department and other city departments. approval of this m.o.u. will allow us to serve two key public safety agencies in san francisco, the police department and now the fire department. it would be great to see this approval occur on chief hayes-white's watch, and she and the commissioners, all of you have been very supportive at the city college, and we're most grateful for that, so i'll introduce the doctor now. >> thank you for having us, and i want to also send the regards from our associate vice chancellor, teresa roland. she's sorry she couldn't be here, but the chancellor sent her do you object to san jose today, so she had to do that. we're very excited with this partnership, and we believe that it can grow and be a

win-win. with the services that we will bring to the recruits for -- for helping them in their -- excuse me, their attainment of their educational goals. we believe all of this is a huge step forward, and we look forward to a very long partnership and a deepening of the partnership as we continue to grow. i'd like to also introduce monique pascual. she will be the liaison between city college of san francisco and the fire academy and really help to put all of our resources at your disposal. >> president cleaveland: okay. >> thank you very much. >> president cleaveland: thank you. any final comments, mark? >> with that, happy to -- oh, i guess the only other thing is we are looking to initiate this with our upcoming academy that begins january 28.

>> president cleaveland: very good. any public comment on this presentation? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner covington? >> commissioner covington: thank you very much, mr. president. i would like to hear just a little more about the revenue stream that the doctor made reference to? >> yes. so if you have the agreement in front of you, on page seven, it notes the reimbursement that the department will receive per hour of community instruction, and -- student instruction, and currently, that's set at 2.75 for the academy and $2 for the basic instruction. at the end of each billing period, the department will provide -- reconcile with documentation and send an invoice to city college for reimbursement to that effect, that the city college is receiving from the state, and that the intent for that reimbursement is to reinvest

that back into the department's training division for equipment, for various initiatives that they want to undergo. >> commissioner covington: and at the completion of their studies, what is it that students receive? what kind of certificate, degree? >> i don't believe they receive a certificate. i believe they receive credit, but i'll allow -- >> hi. currently, what they'll be receiving is units and credits that can be put forward to a bachelor's degree or associate's degree. however we are looking to putting forward in the next year a certificate of achievement that will be offered to the students, so that jim connors is putting that through the curriculum committee this semester? it takes about a year to work through our area in ordertor it to be realized? sometimes it's faster. >> commissioner covington: thank you. i think it would be great to have that certificate of achievement and for the

students to be on track to their their a.a. degrees. >> yeah. we agree with you and have already started work on it. >> commissioner covington: very good. i, as many of you know, did take the introduction to fire science course at city college every tuesday and thursday for an entire semester. i'd forgotten how long a semester was. after thanksgiving, i was still going to classes, so i have many pleasant encounters with retired captain connors, who happened to graduate in the same class with vice president nakajo, but i've never held that against captain connors. also, my instructor was assistant chief giratovak, who

was an excellent teacher, so i'm very familiar with the program. some of my classmates tried to draft me into their study group since i was a commissioner with the fire department, but i -- i didn't do that. but the course was very, very thorough, very good. the excitement of the -- of the peoplen roll peoplen -- people enroled in the program, and i wish it great success, and i'd like to move this item. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner covington. commissioner veronese? >> commissioner veronese: i just have a couple of questions. i'd like to say congratulations to whoever started this.

i think it is appropriately, i think we should get this thing passed under chief hayes-white because i'm sure she had a hand in this as she has a hand in everything that this department does. s very hard working. i had a couple questions about it. are these -- so if a student or, rather, a member of our department wants to go to city college to get their b.a., is that outside of this agreement or is that -- or a.a., is that something that's part of this agreement and how? >> so currently, as constructed, this agreement only covers the initial fire academy and one-year probationary period, so beyond that, there are no classes that are covered under this. eventually, the department would like to expand it, but we're using this as the initial stage of it, so anything as far as the overall a.a. degree, that would be outside of the current scope of the agreement. >> commissioner veronese: okay. so the eventual intent is to expand this. >> would be to include a number

of fire training classes to give credits and to assist in the reimbursement process. >> commissioner veronese: okay. and then how about for -- for the recruits who want to be firefighters? is there some sort of -- is there a message to those people that hey, take these classes and you'll be better prepared for applying to the fire department? is that something that's being anticipated, as well? >> so the way it works right now is our students, many of whom are here right now, they enrole enroll in our program. they can work toward a degree in fire science or firefighting. our program includes the academic piece. we have our own basic fire academy that's approved by state fire training also, and

then, the third piece is we have the city college work experience program where the students who qualify for that program are assigned in the fire stations, but accumulately, it all works towards them getting their degree. one thing that we found is that students are preparing to get hired into s.f. or any fire agency in the state are really trying to professionalalize themselves and get their two-year degree. many of the ones who get fire in the sffd come back after they graduate from the sffd's fire academy when they're in their probationary training and finish up their two-year degree work. >> commissioner veronese: okay. thank you. chief, quick question. do you anticipate using this program as continuing education? i saw a list of classes that are going to be offered, but as i'm reading these lists, i'm thinking in my head that me object we could use this program to start to educate --

better educate people on issues such as ptsd, starting to erase the mental stigma. >> commissioner hayes-white: good morning, commissioner. we have a great working relationship and partnership with city college. that will memorialize that, but to imagine what you've just described and to expand and further education opportunities for our members. >> commissioner veronese: fantastic. i don't have any other questions. this is a great program. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner veronese: i second the motion of commissioner covington to move this item. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner veronese. vice president nakajo.

>> commissioner nakajo: thank you very much, commissioner cleaveland. i also want to ask some questions. not very much, but i wanted to make some comments, as well. being a san franciscan, i've had the city college experience. coming out of high school, catholic high school, sacred heart high school, i wasn't one that was college bound in terms of concepts and direction and career, so city college was my first entry into higher education. i think as a proud graduate of city college and general studies, it was the beginning pathway of a bachelor of art degree, which i accomplished at san francisco state university, which i'm very proud that all of my higher education occurred here in san francisco. captain connors, if you will, i'd like to just ask a few more detailed questions. part of it is we've had a long

history with this fire science course, but could you let us, the commissioners, know how long that history has been. it's developed, i know, through the years, but could you talk a little bit about that? >> the program actually goes back to the early '60's, around 1960, when it was started by actually retired batallion chief chuck lee from the fire department and others, and they had a basic program. there was a time in the early '90's, due to internal issues at city college, that the fire science program was almost furloughed, but two key people, retired captain bill long, and jim skinner, who was retired as a fire chief of the road city fire department, collaborated with the fire department and developed classes that all students have to take. they were able to build

electives, and through that, we were able to formalize the two-year degree and certificate. we were able to work with the chief's office and the chief to get a work experience component, and then, finally, we were able to get our own fire academy program. so that has been a long road map that's occurred really, say, since 1960. >> commissioner nakajo: i appreciate that history because i remember that it wasn't organized in terms of a two-year credential, it was more or less, as i remember it, elected courses. i sincerely believe that credentials are a major step, i.e., if anyone's interested at all in terms of the fire department or fire sciences as a career, where do you go for that. in terms of city and county of san francisco to enter course work but also come out with a two-year degree i think is significant. i also think that the development of work experience,

but also, i know as a student, i was a benefit of services, being the former director of a nonprofit in japantown, how that expands and how that relationship right lanes, so i'm very, very proud to be a commissioner as part of this formulation of relationships. captain connors, is this the first time we've had a formal master agreement? >> this is the first time that the fire department and city college has had this agreement. never been. >> commissioner nakajo: dean fisher? >> dean quaker. >> commissioner nakajo: pardon? >> dean quaker? >> commissioner nakajo: quaker. sorry about that. please convey to the chancellor and officers how important assist to have this formal

relationship -- how important it is to have this formal relation, as well. i just second the motion by commissioner covington and the second by commissioner veronese and totally look forward to our candidates -- a lot of our instructors are former members of the department. captain connors? >> we have 36 instructors who represent fire departments from all over the bay area and the state, cal fire. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. just a few more detailed questions. are all the classes on campus, or is there another location for this? >> 90% of our classes are taught on the ocean avenue campus. we also utilize the mission campus, southeast campus, and chinatown campus. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. the other thing is your fire cadets are required to wear identification in terms of a

dress shirt? >> correct. >> commissioner nakajo: i think that greatly helps in terms of the mode of how one conducts themselves in the san francisco fire department. also, we were participants of the e.m.t. graduation that was recently held at city college, and the little theater. that was quite significant to myself, as well, because just to see this and be able to observe diego rivera's mural, i remember many days when i used to sit there for classes, and used to gaze in that mural and think about what am i supposed to do in my future life findings, and i just want to tell you how great that was. so thank you very much captain connors, and thank you very much, dean, and thank you very much, mr. president. >> president cleaveland: thank you. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: i'm going to be brief. i'd just like to chang the

chancellor and dean quaker, and mark corso and the chief who has family connections over at city college, and i noticed in her part, too, so i noticed she was probably able to take the lead on this, too. but i -- like vice president nakajo, i thoroughly enjoyed being over there for the graduation ceremonies, e.m.t.s, and it's something to look forward to in the future. they were just a happy, vibrant group. it will be great fore -- for the fire department in the future, so i do appreciate that. the controversy going on with the funding or not funding not only city college of san francisco, but i think the new governor, gavin newsom's term, he will have that situation under control. that will not be a problem.

the opportunity for people that don't have funds to attend the community colleges will be nonexistent by the time his term's over. he's made that commitment to open the door for everybody that needs to go to college will be able to. so -- and thank you for all your work behind the scenes. you have to do a lot of work. and captain connors, nice to see you keeping that. you work with brendon o'leary over there? >> he's an assistant deputy chief for homeland security, work closely with them. he actually teaches some of our state fire training company course offers. >> commissioner hardeman: i've known him over the years. >> i'll let him know you spoke. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. i think this is a win-win

situation. i have a question. how often will this be actually review snd. >> so i believe technically, it was just a one-year m.o.u. it's designed to cover the two fire academies, but i think the intent from both sides is to continue it moving forward. >> does it deviate much from the one with the police department? >> we actually used the one from the police department as a template. one of the things where there's a slight deviation is in the officer training portion? we're having to work with how you train your officers. at the police department, they release the officers at 30 at a tronch into training, and that's not something you can quite do and keep the safety of the city, so we're trying to figure out how to deliver that

within your training motif. >> president cleaveland: will you be the person that reviews this m.o.u. on an annual basis? >> i will be part of the team. >> president cleaveland: you'll be part of the team, and working with mark to make sure that any wrinkles get ironed out? >> yes. >> president cleaveland: we have a motion and a second on the floor to approve the m.o.u. for city college. all in favor? [voting] >> president cleaveland: thank you. motion passes. madam secretary, next item. [agenda item read] >> good morning again, mr. corso. >> i have a different hat on. i have a feeling you're going to get sick of me today, but --

good morning again, commissioners, mar corso, finance and planning here to give an overview on the department's budget instructions. normally, this was done in december, but that got pushed back to today. many of this may be old hat, but i'll just go over it very briefly, and happy to answer any questions. okay. just with the previous agenda, similar to previous years, going over the budget process and background, update a five-year financial plan that was recently released by the city last week, ongoing city fiscal concerns, budget instructions for both departments and all city departments and fire departments, specifically, timelines for both the city process and fire department, fire commission, as well as opening it up for any questions.

so back on december 12, the mayor's office released budget instructions to department heads and financial staff, and the department budgets are due february 21. the mayor reviews departmental submission, mayor's office, may i can't remember's budget office reviews them once they are submitted in february and must submit a balanced budget to the board of supervisors per the charter, and after that, budget hearings commence at the board usually for late june and early july, and then, with the goal of having a budget approved by july and august by the board. it's a continuation of a two-year rolling budget cycle for the department. there's certain departments that are on a two year cycle, so this year, there's not a budget. for most departments, it's a rolling two-year department, so we're looking at fiscal years

19-20 and 20-21 in this process. as i mentioned, last friday, the city released its fire-year financial plan update. that's a:00 between different departments, and it's essentially an update on the city's five-year financial outlook. it gives an overview of the city's current financial status as well as identifies issues over the next five years, just a general economic overview, highlighting revenue changes, anticipated revenue changes, anticipated expenditure changes, and the results of these projections, and the numbers that come up as a result of it help drive the budget instructions to departments. so overall, especially as compared to previous years, a lot of the main issues still remain, and generally speaking, over the next five years and even beyond that, it's anticipated that while revenues will still be growing, the

growth of that revenue will belower than the growth of expenditures overall, and that results in a net deficit for the city, both in the up coming years and going out over the next few years. over the next five years, general expenditures are anticipated to rise by 25%, while revenue will rise by 16%. the majority of increases due to personnel costs, salary, benefits, mainly retirement pension costs and health care increases. and so the result of that is a structural deficit that goes out for five years, and the last year of that five years fiscal 23-24, they're currently projecting almost a $650 million citywide deficit. as i mentioned more on the line item level, pension costs are our main driver of that and

concern going forward. health benefit cost growth, that's a main issue, too. salary costs, so outside of police and fire, all other m.o.u.s in the city are up for negotiation. that has started between the departments and the respective unions, and will be resolved prior to may. other than that, some issues regarding baselines set asides, there's certain, due to voter approved initiatives that have been put on the ballot, they have been passed in the -- in previous years that have set aside funding or a contribution from the city's general fund, and those have increased over the years. it just limits the flexibility by allocating how the -- directing how the city must allocate those funds. there's also changes at the state and federal level.

that's been kind of hanging over four years now, but there's always the potential for changes that will impact the city. there was a one-time allocation obviously was in the news, about $400 million, of which 181 after rainy day reserves will become eligible for use in the general fund. that's considered a one-time revenue source and is not counted in the deficit projections as being an annual source where we can receive additional revenues. and in addition, overall recession risk. obviously, the economy's been growing for years, and it's been, i believe, the longest or second longest recovery period since the second longest recession in history, so there's always the fear that things will slow down, and that will result in increased revenue issues for the city. in her instructions to

departments and her presentation to department heads, the mayor breed went over her priorities for the budget year, and among those were homeless, affordable housing, addressing behavioral health needs, cleaner and safer streets, creating equitiable opportunities for all, and then government accountability. it was definitely stressed to departments about current existing budgets that ensuring that all dollars count and that everything's spent appropriately and for any new initiatives or any new projects being proposed, that there's data and analysis that clearly support the need for those projects, so that's definitely something that's been emphasized by the mayor's office. so specifically to instructions, the city is looking at projected deficited the next two years, 107 million in fiscal year 19-20 and 163 million in the second year. 271 million total, and that is anticipated to increase, as i mentioned, subsequently out for

the total five-year program. departments are to propose reductions equivalent to 2% in each year, and an additional 1% contingency to be provided to the mayor's office. 2% is about $1.4 million to the department, so overall in total. that's 2.8, almost $3 million for the second year. and then with regards to new positions, departments are encouraged if it there is a need for a new position, to take a look and do a further analysis on existing positions to see if current positions can be reallocated to serve those needs. so it's just kind of a reevaluation of your current budget, making sure things are aligned correctly and if not where they should be, and if not, adding additional positions. if there is a request for adding additional positions, they need to fit in line with the mayoral priorities that we just discussed, so those would be ongoing discussion with the

mayor's budget office prior to the budget release. here's the kind of brief budget timeline. december 12 was when budget instructions were due. january 11, this friday is capital and i.t. projects are due. february 21, the mayor's office has all budgets due, and then june 1st is actually a saturday, so they're going to be releasing their budget may 31st this year, and then june 1st, budget proposals at the board for final approval this year. interestingly, today we have budget instructions and review of capital and i.t. budgets. the next meeting, january 23, would be discussion of the budget, nothing for approval at that time but more of a discussion and the progress that we have made at that time. february 13 would be the first -- the last possible already scheduled fire commission meeting prior to the

submittal of the budget for approval, so that would be february 13. if we're unable to achieve approval at that date, there's the potential for any special meetings from february 14 to february 20 to go over any outstanding issues and get them resolved prior to submittal, but submittal is due on february 21. and intentionally, what we've obviously begun budget preparations, we've reconvened the budget committee. the work is continuing. we're going to be evaluating priorities and needs and continuing that discussion department wide. and with that, i'd like to answer any questions that you may have. >> president cleaveland: thank you, mr. corso. is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner veronese?

>> commissioner veronese: chief, through the fire inspector, if i could ask a couple questions, if you don't mind, to the fire inspector. i can't use the expect that i haven't had my coffee. i've got your back. >> commissioner veronese: chief always has your back. i wanted to ask you a cup wiou questions because i know that you're uniquely qualified because the city is growing, as you know. i just wanted to get some numbers from you on that. how many square feet of new office space is permitted over the next year or two? >> we're looking at the planning department pipeline, there's, i believe, 47,000 residential units in the pipeline. each unit is an average of 2.3 occupants, so that's a capacity of roughly 100,000 that's coming down the pipe. commercial space, roughly 12

million net new square feet. the factor on that is 100 square feet per person, as far as the code. so if you divide that by 100, you're talking about 120,000-plus. >> commissioner veronese: thank you, chief. the reason i pointed that out, we're growing, this city. i know it's not lost on this administration, but it needs to be stressed, with 38% of our e.m.s. calls going to our administration wide calls or department wide calls going to homelessness, the mayor's priorities have stated, two of the priorities is homelessness and government accountability. with 38%, i'm hoping we can get

a chunk of that money. instead of getting cuts, we should be getting more money for our e.m.s. division. those girls and guys are stretched to the bone, as chief zanoff and everybody else in this room knows. i think this is the year where we advocate for those men and women, make sure that we get the funding that we need for a growing city to deal with because these are the men on the front line that are dealing with these issues that the mayor is talking about. mental issues on the street, the addiction issues on the street, the homelessness issues. we are the front line of these particular issues. the police, us, and department of health, so we shouldn't be receiving any cuts in this area, we should be -- they should be throwing money at us for this particular problem. and i'm hoping that everybody on this commission, the chief and everybody in this room walks those hauls to make sure they hear us on this issue because we cannot be cutting back on e.m.s.

we can't be cutting back. and as far as government believabilit accountability, i'm so happy that's one of the issues. as far as budget requests, we're asking for $54 million on certain projects, and roof replacements, and then another exterior envelope of 3.5 million. i'll bet you $1 million as we sit here today, if we did that -- if we were efficient about making those expenses, we could save millions and millions of dollars that could go back into our budget that could go for equipment costs and other things. so -- 'cause i remember, as i looked at this last year, and it's probably not any different than last year, the kitchens alone, i think were three to $400,000 apiece. i mean, when the public hears that we're paying $300,000 to

repair kitchens, that are 20 by 20 feet, they better be marble countertops and tiles. but they're not. i better if we were more efficient and more accountable on our spending here -- and i know it's not just us. there are other departments involved in this. this is another issue that requires, you know, the commission, the chief, and every member of this department to go to the top of the hill and scream because this is where we can save money. there's no reason why we should be overspending on kitchens or any of these electrical -- $29 million in electrical? i mean, if we went through this, we'd find 4%, no problems. i'm entirely confident of that. so we are going to be growing as the next -- as the fire

chief just mentioned, we are going to be growing, 100,000 new residents in san francisco. 100,000 new workers in san francisco on a daily basis. the numbers are there. we shouldn't be cutting, and my question is do we need to be a set aside, as opposed to this general fund thing that we do every year and begging for money. i'd make another bet with you right now is the voters of this city would vote to make this department a set aside. our work is that good, they love us, and there is no reason why we should be cutting back. so i would love to hear from you if it's more valuable for us to be a set aside or if it's more detrimental to departments, is it more valuable in your opinion or is it worse to be a set aside? >> i would say that's a very difficult question and very

complicated question, just because of the politics -- just because of the process of it and the politics involved, being a set aside, you do have a dedicated mandated source of funding coming your way based on how that is setup. so i would say it's a positive that way. you can count on it. it's setup in the legislation. i haven't spoken to anybody or the fiscal officers about the impact of being a set aside? but obviously, that's one of the major benefits of being one. >> commissioner veronese: if you can do that, i'm sure the other commissioners would be interested in knowing if it's a benefit or a detriment to the department. [inaudible] >> that is one set aside we -- >> commissioner covington: but you -- >> can't pick that up, sorry. >> president cleaveland was saying we do have one set aside, which is the prop f, which the voters enacted, which is the set aside for the new

stations. >> commissioner hayes-white: minimum staffing. >> minimum staffing, thank you, chief. >> commissioner hayes-white: i would just add, i agree with director corso. you have that benefit of assured funding, but as part of your request, i would say we should also look at the path towards becoming a set aside which i believe would have to go to the voters, which you said. i would agree with you, that there would be a lot of support for that, but it's something that i would emergenimagine th would have in conversation with the mayor's budget office, the mayor herself, in regard to that. >> yeah. i think that's an important conversation that we should start having. i've heard it recently that this is something we should take a look at that. okay. so that's that. i apologize if i'm coming off as standing on a soap box up here, but i think this is the

time. this is the year -- i know the chief does a great job of advocating, but this is the year where get everybody involved, especially with what's going on in the e.m.s. division. those guys are burned out. they're burned out to the bone. thanks. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner veronese. i they we all agree with your sentiments. mr. vice president? >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, mr. president. mr. corso, just as a term of clarification, the next budget meeting is february 13. >> correct. 9:00 at department headquarters. >> commissioner nakajo: this is a budget that's going to be finalized? i'd like to thank commissioner veronese alioto for his comments in terms of advocacy. i know the mayor's comments that you said, but is there a

designation for the dollars in terms of surplus dollars, or am i using the correct terms? >> so there is a one-time -- considered one-time reimbursement from the state. the net impact is about 180 million. there's currently discussion from the mayor's office and the board how that would be spent. there is still a current city did he have bit citywide over the next year and five years, so it's not solving those problems, but there is a lot of policy decisions to be made on how to actually spend that money. that's a work in progress currently, but -- >> commissioner nakajo: okay. so director corso, in terms of that one-time surplus dollars, would you venture to say those are going towards the mayor's priorities in emergency room its of her homeless programs, etc., housing? >> i would assume a portion of that, sure. homeless, housing, those are high priorities for the mayor and board, as well. those are topics that are up

for debate, but at least some of the requests for funding would go under those topics. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. some of my questions and commissioner veronese alioto's comments have to do with the department of public health, in terms of trying to massage that with the mayor's priorities. it would be good, i suggest to my colleagues and chief hayes-white, if we could have a joint meeting with the public health commissioners. in my tenure of being a fire commissioner, the only joint meeting i recollect with the department of health, chief hayes-white, is when we initiated the merge, so there has been a precedent that has already been set. my point is that with the comments that you made, commissioner veronese, that perhaps this joint meeting between the two commissioners -- commissions, the fire commission, the department of health

commission, that in the line of priorities with the mayor's office, i.e. homelessness, that we should be able to massage some sort of dollars in terms of their budget, but also in terms of our projected budget. i just think moving forward in this new day, that kind of effort might be fruitful, at least in the conversation and the relationship in the point of we're not an isolated department whether it comes to issues like homelessness. i think the whole point of view is we use our total departmental resources so that we can try to solve these kinds of problems or at least come up with some recommendations. and definitely, i'd like to promote departmental relationships in terms of that. so that's one thing that i would like to put forward. i also know that under the leadership of president cleaveland that we've always had a minimum of two commissioners on the budget committee.

i think we should keep that tradition alive, commissioners, and i think we should have an internal discussion on the commission as to who might be one of the two representatives, one a representative, one, an alternate, so when it comes time to discuss the budget, that we can walk the hauls and talk to the people to discuss our needs. thank you. >> president cleaveland: thank you, mr. vice president. commissioner hardeman? >> commissioner hardeman: yeah. this is a sensitive subject, and i sort of touch on it each year when we go through this process. the bottom line is the employee groups, particularly 798, have been playing ball with the mayor and board of supervisors and not voting -- not getting the set aside. as we all sit here, i don't think there's anybody in the room that would deny that if

798 and the employee groups having nothing to do with us -- so the responsibility for any command staff or the chief, they can put on the ballot, set aside, all apparatus, all capital improvements, all personnel, all population growth, the strongest set aside in the country, and it would pass. so going along with what chief veronese said, i think that the mayor has to understand that with the population and all the problems that the department has, that the public has a love for the department, and the department has been very good in not forcing the city government to do things that they've played ball by being able to adjust their budget each year like the chief said, and she's been going along with it.

she's been punished over the last number of years, not so much recently, for not being a team player. so that's a sensitive subject, and i'll just let it go at that. but i think with the 19 set asides san francisco has, more than any -- more than all the cities in california combined. so others take advantage of that. the fire department's been a great team player, so how long that lasts or whatever, i don't know. i've talked about this with the union over the years, and we've taken no position. any way, you know your reports are always so nice and concise and brief. thanks for the nice graphics. thank you. >> thank you. and if i could add with what we're talking about with budget and the mayor's office, i think from their perspectives, set asides are not a good thing as

far as it limited budgets and resources, so that's just from their point of the conversation. >> president cleaveland: thank you, commissioner hardeman. commissioner covington? i appreciate your report. i also appreciate commissioner veronese's comments on the inefficiencies of how we fix or infrastructure within the fire houses, and i'd like to see us become better efficient if we could at less cost, more realistic with market rates. i also think it's important that we communicate to the department of health and the health commission the impact that people on the street have on our department. i think it's 38% of our calls to people without addresses. the department of homeless services and the department of public health both have an

obligation to sort of backfill some of the costs that we're realizing within the fire department in addressing those needs that are really directly their needs. how do we do that? who knows, but i believe a good step is what our vice president recommended is having a joint meeting of the public health commission and the fire commission and let them understand. i mean, we're going to have to educate those commissioners as to what's going on on the streets and how that impacts the fire departments -- fire department's budget. so i have to complete agree with commissioner veronese and our vise prosecute that we've gone tong bearing the burden as the fire department for some of the other city departments' responsibilities. thank you very much for your presentation. >> if i could just respond briefly. we have and we will continue in our discussions with the mayor's office advocate those specific positions. and i think a lot of those issues are citywide issues. they touch a number of

departments, so we have been in the past and we will continue to do so, and will advocate that we have resources and will continue to assist. >> president cleaveland: i know you've been a good ad covate in that regard, and i appreciate that. thank you very much. any further comments? any further comments? madam secretary? >> clerk: public comment. >> president cleaveland: is there any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> clerk: item six, report on fiscal year 2019-2020 capital and information technology budget requests. >> good morning again, mark corso, finance and planning to discuss the department's tap tall and i.t. requests for submittal and requests for approval, as well.

just an overview of the process. it's a little different than the general budget. there's committees established that vet all these proposals, but departments submit, january 11, is the date this year, which is friday, requests for both capital planning committee and committee on information technology or coit to review project requests from departments, and they're vetted through those respective committees. in april and may, there's committee meetings where all city departments will come and present on their kind of cash or projects and answer any questions from the committees. they'll develop scenarios -- each of those two committees will develop scenarios, so high level, fully funded, and going from there, and they will await further instructions from the mayor's office about what the allocations to those certain committees will be, and that's certainly resolved by late may. once whatever scenario is submitted from the mayor's

office, that's incorporated into the budget. so this, on page 3 -- or slide three, is the chart of what was approved in last year's budget. last year, we were approved for funding in the following year. this is evaluated every year. it's a two-year budget, it's a rolling budget, so even though you were approved for budgets, they were reviewed each year at the capital planning committee. so currently, there are a number -- obviously, a number of capital projects that are underway, and mainly, a lot of those are focused on the general obligation bond program sources that we have, specifically, the 2010 eser bond, the 2014 eser bond, and the 2016 public health and safety bond. there's a lot of station projects, station 12 and 16,

station 35 under development, and ambulance deployment facility that many of you were at the kickoff there. in addition, there's a number of what we call focus scale projects where we're attacking windows or generators or various specific type of projects across a number of stations, and those are all underway, both currently, some in construction, some in planning, but we work very closely with our partners at d.p.w. who do the administration of those projects. planning efforts are also under way on potential projects for the next eser bond, so there was a bit of news at capital planning on monday. originally, the city had scheduled the next eser bond to be in 2020. because of the mayor's kind of shuffling and desire to add an affordable housing bond, that bond has been moved up to november of this year. so we've already started planning on that, obviously, but those efforts will ramp up as we get ready to go to the ballot, so that's a good news

on that front. more to follow definitely on that. in addition, working with d.p.w., they're currently in the process of completing a presencesive fire station needs assessment. all the current fire stations, we've done a lot of work, but we still have a lot of work to do. hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of seismic work to do, repair, it runs the gamut. they're putting together an assessment to provide to the department. as soon as we get that, we'll forward it onto you, as well. so on five and six is the department's request for project funding, and this has not been allocated to us, this is our request. as i mentioned, we have hundreds of millions of dollars in deferred maintenance and repairs that are needed at our facilities. the intent of these projects being proposed are that they fall outside of the current scope of any projects that are designed to be completed under eser, so there's a whole scope

of portfolio projects under the eser project and these fall outside of it, but just because they fall outside of it doesn't mean they're not a good project and they don't need to be addressed. they're roof replacement, exterior envelope and painting, window repair, shower replacement, mechanical and hvac, emergency generators, exhaust extractors, those are mainly ongoing maintenance. electrical infrastructure. just the age of our facilities, and infrastructure needs to be updated just to be able to handle the electrical load of today's equipment, things of that nature. sidewalk side work, sidewalk, those potentially form a liability for the city if they're not addressed. kitchens, as the commissioner mentioned, data infract