we don't have anybody piling up in that side that's directly across from the residences. we keep people over on the side on the goff street side which is more traffic and really a nonissue to have people standing on that side of the street. that helps a lot. >> great. and that is always helpful for us to know. people come to us all the time and obviously getting permits and to know that the reasons behind why you would want to transition from an l.p. to a place of entertainment is important for us to know, and i think important for the city to know because we want to keep having great businesses be able to do more. >> thank you. >> thank you. you can sit down. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> is there any discussion? we can have a motion and then we can do public comment after that. if that makes sense. >> i'm make a motion to approve.

>> i second. >> should we qualify the motion with the good neighbor policy or just -- >> i think you should always do that as a best practice. >> i can amend it. the good neighbor policy is in the statute, but nonetheless w the good neighbor policy included. >> you still want to second it? >> all right. is there any public comment on this agenda item? please step to the microphone and state your name please. you'll have two minutes. >> my name is cole and i work for blue bear school of music and representation from that organization and we are a local 501c3 nonprofit music school around since 1971. and iment am also a local d.j. and musician and have done some small events with phonobar and known chuck and tom and come here saying their character is solid. they have followed tli every time i have done an event and a

hard stop at 10:00. and they have a decibel counter to the point where i have got strict warnings to be under 90. and generally speaking, i think they really have taken serious what you guys have implied with the limited permit. to the support of the school that i work for, they have made us the beneficiary of their donations and events that they have done, which i thought was really great. personally they have donated a tremendous amount just out of the goodness of their hearts, so i think that generally they are trying to do something that is good for the community and good for the music community. i would also say, too, that the clientele they are going for tends to be more of a sophisticated audiophile and just in that general nature and people tend to be more respectful and also tend to be a little bit older. so if you approve this, inevitably, you would be adding to the babysitting industry which is possibly a good thing. overall, i wanted to say these guys are really great, and i

hope that you can approve their permit. is that under two minutes? i hope so. >> thank you very much. >> that was a nice plug for bear, by the way. >> all right. seeing no more public comment, public comment is closed. >> vice president caminong. >> aye. >> a president bleiman. >> aye. >> commissioner tan. >> aye. >> a commissioner lee. >> aye. >> a commissioner falzon. >> your permit has been granted. congratulations. please follow-up with deputy director acevedo for the next steps. thank you very much. our next agenda item please. >> the next permit application is a limited live performance permit for minnesota street project, located at 1275 minnesota street in the dog patch. the applicants will use this permit to host public programs and private events, including lecture, presentations, performances, fundraiser, diners and receptions with amplified

sound. additionally they will have live music, dances, and film screenings. included in the file is one letter of opposition from the mill wheel south h.o.a. board representing neighbors living across the street from the venue on minnesota street. and entertainment commission staff worked with the h.o.a. board and minnesota street project to mediate concerns and develop solutions to mitigate future problems. please see the staff recommendations listed below for the proposed solutions that were agreed upon by the applicant and also sent over to the mill wheel h.o.a. in your file, you will find two letters of support along with neighborhood outreach and the applicants conducted such as flyers they distributed, and a community gathering they hosted at the premises. in follow toup the mediation, we received a second email from the h.o.a. to the applicant stating that the discussion after their community gathering was very positive, and they appreciate the efforts to make their co-existence as neighbors directionally better.

they approved this permit with the condition of emailing the event calendar to the permit officer monthly. and here to tell you more is owner andrew rap paport and manager andrew dunnegan. >> good evening. thanks for having us. we appreciate this opportunity to meet with you and to address concern that you have. i am also looking forward to some feedback on my beard for the prior presenter. and i am andy rappaport and co-founder with my wife deborah who couldn't be here of the minnesota project and andrew is the director of programs and engagement. before we tell you about us and the reason for applying for this permit and some comments on our neighborhood, i would like to thank you already for the process irrespective of the outcome of our application, this process has been really invaluable to us. we have learned a lot. the neighbors have learned a lot. we have been extremely impressed

with the process itself and some of theed a vice and all the advice we have gotten from the staff, so we thank you, all, for that. it's been good. and the minnesota street project is an intervention that my wife and i created. we started back in 2014 to try to stem the outflow of visual arts from san francisco, live music venues, arts venues have been challenged by real estate prices and someone needed to do something, and we nominated ourselves. we now operate in the dog patch three buildings, 1275 minnesota, 1240 minnesota across the street and 1150 25th street on the next block south. we provide 15 arts exhibition spaces that are used by some for profit, permanent tenants, and a rotating cast of exhibition users. and across the street we have 40 artist studios, all this is steeply below market at 1/3 to 1/2 of market. we run events not because we are an event venue, but because we

view the importance of those events in integrating arts in the community. there had been a dirth of art event spaces as there have been for music and other live performance, again, as a result of what we know is happening with the challenges here in san francisco. we have applied for the limited live performance license not because we intend to become a performance venue, but because two reasons really. one, we have been working closely with baby station since we opened in 2016 and they asked us to apply for this. we have events that sometimes there is a question, does it require a permit or not? it's one person with a microphone making a 20-minute set of remarks. it is complicated for us and for them and said even though much of what we do may not be within the purview, it would be great to get it. we love working with the bayview station and doing what they ask us to do. the second reason is that we do rent our event space and we don't do it to maximize the

amounts of money to bring in, but it does help to underwrite the below market rent that we charge to the tenants and we have third party event users and we have some pretty stringent rules we try to enforce. i think you have seen our event agreement. we believe that by having this permit it will help us add some teeth to the enforcement by stapling the conditions of the permit to the guidelines and saying this is not just a favor to us, this is what we have contractually agreed with our neighbors and with the city that we're going to do. we know we're here because we had one neighbor complaint. we can answer any questions. i will tell you we hadden an absolutely fantastic -- we had an absolutely fantastic neighborhood meeting. it went way beyond the purview of this community and resulted in quite a number of different actions that we can take learning on our part and that kind of thing. the most important things we learned from that meeting are, one, no news is not no news. that not hearing from our neighbors or not having it get

to me or erin that there is an issue doesn't good enough. we put in place mechanisms to make sure the neighbors feel heard when they need to be heard. and we learned that remediating problems when they occur isn't enough. we need to get better at preventing them, in particular, on our block and i don't want to take a lot of time, but it's a very quiet block. we're the first nighttime users on that block in 10 years of industrial -- in 100 years of industrial use of that street. and we have endeavored to use our back entrance as much as possible in after hours. it is logistically difficult, but we figured out how to do it. but we realize that just being on site to remediate if someone throws something into the back of a truck on minnesota street at 11:00, by the time we get out there to tell them to move the truck, it's already woken the neighbors. one of the things out of this process is a material way to the change of operation is in addition to normal guards inside

the building of any material size and go beyond 9:00, we are always going to have a guard stationed out on minnesota street to enforce our rules that minnesota street not be used for passenger loading, for material loading, that the doors don't get opened when there is music going on inside, that people don't smoke there. that is a terrific improvement to our processes. in addition, and again, to be quick, there are six things that we're doing -- i think it's a list of six. that are not conditions to the permit because as i understand it, they live outside of the jurisdiction of the commission. and we want to make you aware of these things that we've discussed with our neighbors. one, what came out of the meeting is to establish a block wide business and neighborhood group to meet regularly to discuss challenges on our block. again, i would be happy to describe any of those challenges as much as you are interested. but it is, if not totally unique block in the city, it is unusual in term of some of the challenges.

two, we have already created and opt-in mailing list so the list we send to bayview station, we can distribute to our neighbors at the same time, so they will always have advance notice as to, quote, as one of them put it, what we're going to come home to, which we think is a great yi. a single 24/7 response number that any of the neighbors can use to get to a member of the management team to our facilities director, to me, any time, day or night. it's take an it will of technology to get that running. we had one 311 call in our history so far. it was an unfortunate incident that can never happen again given the way we have changed our policies, but one of the neighbors said, we need to be able to reach you. ewith said, yes, you do. and that should be up and running within the next week or two. and we have in our agreement, our event agreement, that valet drop off can occur on minnesota street, but that pickup should occur on tennessee street. we have been uneven in our enforcement of that, and we are going to begin to enforce that 100% so that after 9:00 p.m.,

valet pick up will be at the back entrance. and we are going to also establish there a comfortable and we hope very enticing smoking area so that the temptation to walk out on minnesota street to smoke disappears and people want to go back there and will enforce that as well. and we have already moved the pin for our building for uber and lyft drivers to come to tennessee street entrance. we have been encouraging people to use that address when they call uber and lyft. it doesn't always work, and now the pin is right there. and that we hope coupled with the guard on the street will be helpful. and finally, we've gotten very good, we think, at controlling sound when the doors are closed in the building. but because there is occasional exit out on to minnesota street, someone opens the door, and that's an issue, so we're going to call the fire department and talk about whether we can configure some kind of velvet kerr tan arrangement in front of the exits so when we close off

the minnesota street exit, even if someone sneaks out there and opens the door, there's attenuation of sound to prevent the problem as oppose to remediate the problem. with that, we are happy to answer any questions you have.

>> i had to do everything you are just mentioning to me when i was running my business, and the thing is, i was open until two and you were only open until ten i kind of applaud you for that for doing that. is kind of overkill, but i am glad you are doing it. >> i appreciate that. i will confess we do understand the sound aspects better than we understood some of the venue aspects. measuring sound with the door closed -- we walked around our streets with metres, for the problem we have is how do we enforce rules to keep those doors closed. >> again, it will be your security. you will have to hire a doorman. even a manager can be out there. are you serving alcohol? you have a license?

>> sometimes. >> is that more for a nonprofit permit kind of thing, or... >> we work with a select private invent clients. some of them are for-profit. someone like every lane, having their holiday party. and some of them are nonprofits. >> they have catering licenses. >> they have catering licenses. exactly. >> thank you. >> i will say that we heard a good idea here which is too stable a meter to our front door so everyone can see what that level is and record those levels which is a note we just took for something -- >> that is a first rest pick i haven't heard that. >> it is a great idea. >> thank you. >> i am curious you mentioned that there was one major 311 complaint. could you explain what that was quiet. >> yes, i will explain it exactly. we have had to watch two we would consider to be very bad incidents. there have been cases where things went the way we thought

they should go but we did not realize the impact we would have on our neighbors. we have had two cases where things went -- we had users -- abusers of our space who frequently -- flagrantly ignored our rules. after the first one, which was february 2017, that is when we instituted we will have senior people on site. you went -- no one uses our building without us being there. i believe it was august of 2017 where we violated that. we have a no weddings policy. we turn away probably 20 weddings for every event we do. but one of our long-term tenants , one of our charter tenants was a terrific guy asked if he could have his wedding reception in our building on a sunday afternoon or sunday evening, whatever it was. he was such a good guy that we broke two of our rules for him. we said he could do it, and two he was a tenant, at their lease, they did this under their commercial lease with us, it had a lot of teeth with respect to enforcement of our rules.

we knew him and trusted him. we said we didn't need to be there. what happened was the music was loud. the revelers were drunk in, the edict to stay off minnesota street was ignored. we were not there, and in that case, our neighbors did not know how to reach us so they called 311, which i don't blame them for. i was very unhappy, but they did the right thing. they should not have had to do it. two new rules we will have, one, will not let our tenants use the building for any use that we would not let any other -- anyone else use it. number 2, even if it is a tenant , if there is a potential for a problem, we will be there. since that happened to, that was august of 2017, things have gotten a lot better. >> it sounds like there will always be in on site manager or owner. is that right class. >> either myself or my assistant are always on site for these big events. >> that has been the case since august of september 7th --dash 2017. >> for the event that you have

had to, have you had a security, extra security on top of what you might already have class. >> we generally have one guard per 100 guests. we have a front door guard who is there every day, all the time , and then we add a backdoor guard and additional guards depending on how many people are at the event. in addition to that, based on the conversations we've had with the staff, we are going to add additional guards on to that to better enforce the use of minnesota street and loitering and noise. >> great. just a more general question, i think the dog patch is an area that will be continuing to develop, i think we would like to see more entertainment options in that general realm. how receptive do you feel like the communities. obviously you have had to cover a lot of bases. >> bruce healy who is the head of the dogpatch neighborhood association has come to make public comment on our regard to. that would be a good question to

ask him. dogpatch is a neighborhood in transition. the challenge on our block is that there were industrial buildings and nothing else for 100 years and within blocks, in the city ignored the entire place and it was the wild west. at eight or nine years ago, since condo started to go up, looking directly at these industrial buildings that don't have loading facilities and don't have sidewalks and those kinds of things. so if you were to pull our neighbors, we are more than a block away from 1275 and they would all say we wish it were a music venue. we have no intention of doing that. the building would be terrible as a music venue, but there is a hunger for more going on in a hunger for more nightlife. we are two blocks away from third street. the night life is moving in our direction. the thing that we have been very sensitive to, the thing that we are sensitive to, expect elite --dash especially for our neighbors, we are the first people who are activating our neighborhood at night within a two block radius in all

directions. it is just time for the neighborhood to adapt. >> i appreciate the leadership you've taken to create that space and maintain that space and hopefully to have it grow into something that is an institution. i think as our commission does more work in thinking about where does entertainment grow, third street and all along that corridor on the waterfront is definitely prime space. >> one thing that i will say if i may, we have been experimenting pick we have learned that these larger events , we have roughly 1,000 person capacity in our building these larger events are very high impact for tenants, for neighbors, for ourselves, for management, aaron is at everyone there is a limit for that. what we have been experimenting with or what we think of as low impact events. we have a small room off the entrance which we call our lounge which can adopt just

accommodate 40 people, we have been experimenting with small music and performance kinds of things in there, and it has gone extremely well. these have all been preticketed. even if they are free, to control crowds. we don't even think our neighbors have noticed we are doing it because it just looks like the building operating normally. to the degree that we can develop that, we think it is a nice toe in the water for that part of the neighborhood. >> that's wonderful. thank you for sharing that. i'm happy to support this and good luck. >> thank you very much. >> i just want to say i'm super impressed with the way that you guys problem solved with your neighbors. the formation of a neighborhood association is pretty impressive >> we already have a neighborhood association, it is a block association. >> a block association. still impressive. also in terms of attaching the recommendation -- the conditions of the permit to your contracts, i think is an excellent idea.

i think the entertainment commission should go viral. [laughter] >> great. >> i think that's great. >> i just wanted to reiterate what everybody said pick it sounds like you're taking this very seriously and we appreciate that. there was -- we do have stuff recommendations here that i thank you worked together with staff to create with the neighborhood groups. i just want to hear from you. we have eight that have been given to us. you have reviewed those and you are arcade with them. >> absolutely. >> great. you can have a seat. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> i would like to go ahead and move to approve the permit with the stuff recommendations and the good neighbor policy, and the police conditions. staff recommendations on conditions for the police conditions and the good neighbor policy. >> i second. >> is there any public comment on this agenda item?

please state your name into the microphone. you have two minutes. >> great. thank you so much for your time tonight, commissioners. i'm head of the neighborhood association. i'm also a member of the block association. we have had a great discourse with the minnesota street project over the four years they have been here. we have also submitted a letter of support. great, it is an. they have had a discourse not only within the block, but also with the neighborhood. that type of engagement has encouraged all of us to think a little bit more thoughtfully about our neighbors our population increased, it doubled last year. our population is expected to double this year. with all of the more people in the neighborhood to, i think the city, the neighbors are all trying to figure out what is the right balance for this type of activity, as well as being a resident in the neighborhood. we are trying to work through these things, and andy and his team have been extremely

thoughtful about the conversations they've had and the discourse from here to ask you support this. the neighborhood as a whole is supporting this. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you very much. seeing no more public comment, public comment is closed. >> [roll call] >> the permit has been granted. congratulations. please follow up with the deputy director at your earliest convenience. thank you. >> our final permit application on the agenda is a place of entertainment permit at 1025 market street. the premises is an immersive arts and retail space with an experiential gallery for patrons to explore. they plan to host private functions and music events with live d.j.s, there is no alcohol served or allowed at the

premises. in your file you'll find ten letters of support from neighboring businesses. the tenderloin station approves experiment with no added conditions. here to tell you more if the owner, chris decker. >> hello. great to be here, thank you so much to have this opportunity to share what we are doing. we are an immersive arts and technology experiential retail venue. it is a new classification, if you like. we are located between six and seven on market street right in the middle of it all. entertainment is not our primary business. we are sort of a gallery experience if you like, using the latest technology. we have upstairs, we have an augmented reality immersive experience. downstairs we have a digital labyrinth immersive experience featuring different artists from around the world.

it is super family-friendly. we opened in october last year, we opened our new exhibit in december, which had gotten rave reviews and families, kids, all sorts of demographics in different cultures. all can come and visit hess -- visit us. we made a choice not to go alcoholic. we have an incredible elixir bar from nevada city so it feels like you're having a cocktail but it is all herbal. they are pretty amazing. we do allow -- we have had a few private events, and the private events bring in sometimes a caterer with alcohol. we are not against alcohol, but as a venue, we want to be a new paradigm. this it is more of a wellness concept. what else can i say... that is pretty much at. another one of our primary drivers if you like, is to

really support arts and culture in san francisco, and especially help revitalize midmarket. we have done events in the space and a quite a few nonprofits. we had a meals on wheels event which was very successful with s.f. city. a lot of the tech community came and we had about 800 plus meals left our building to all the elderly in the tenderloin area which was great, and we have done quite a few technology and art to meet ups with some of the local groups in the city for free. they have just come and share and speak and try to build community and build connections. we feel it is really vital as part of our new technology arts and culture to really support all the different groups in san francisco. i think that gives you it in a nutshell. >> so this is a permanent space?

>> correct. >> i thought it was temporary. i've heard great reviews about your current exhibit. maybe the exhibit is temporary. >> yes. we have the building lease for about ten years and we will be rotating exhibits through. the current exhibit you have heard about is open in december and that will stay for a year. >> it sounds like outside of these fundraising events, have you had parties there or anything -- ♪ we had a few launch parties. we launched our first exhibit in october and had a launch party and we launched --dash we had our second party in december. >> how did those go in terms of any neighborhood feedback or people -- >> great. >> any noise complaints or something like that? >> we've had no complaints. is a very noisy neighborhood. it is a little bit hectic to say the least. it is quite noisy. so we've had no problems. and we have a small in-house

sound system when we do bigger events, we have piped music like café style for every day, which is very low db. for private events, in these sorts of more event styles, we have a small sound system. it is super small. it sits in the café. the whole venue is about 20,000 square feet. but the café is only about 500 square feet. the elixir bar. it is not like we are blasting the whole venue with music. it is not our core business. we are getting a lot of interest from corporate and private people. >> to rent out the space? >> yes. >> to rent out the entire museum >> the beauty is because it is an experience, people -- there's not enough -- there's a lot of venues with bars on the typical sound system thing, but what happens is what they are liking as they can rent out the space, we have a small little stage that we put in if they wanted to give a speech or do talks, and

the small sound system for music , but then they get to do the experience. it is more of a teambuilding thing. >> )-right-parenthesis i've heard really great feedback about the exhibit, as well as the museum itself. as a native san franciscan, i have seen that stretch of market street transform quite a bit in the last five or ten years to the credit of the city and all of the businesses willing to take risks. thank you for doing that. >> we have had big applause from the san francisco tourism sector as well because a lot of tourists are coming there peerk they want to really revitalize midmarket, so that has been great to get their support. the interesting thing is we are the only technology experienced of its kind in the world with the augmented reality. we have taken the microsoft hollow lends to a whole other level with apartheid --dash proprietary technology. is like the first shared a our experience that people can still see each other but still have the whole hologram universe in

front of them. >> that is so needs. i've seen only one dimension screens with it. i think of a whole space and i look forward to seeing it myself >> come and try it out. >> so what time do most of your events go to? it sounds like it is a lot of corporate, but in the past, how many -- do you have any events go late. >> we have not had a number of events. we've just had a handful of events since we opened. we stop at 2:00 am. >> who supplies the sound? i know you have your small café, all of these events have been using your sound system, they have never brought in an external his? >> except for one, the launch party for the december 22nd at our new exhibit. we had a beefier system, but we did not crank it. it is too small of a venue, by the particular artist, the d.j.

who played wanted to have a little bit more of a high fidelity. our in-house sound system is just two speakers on sticks. >> you had no complaints or anything? >> none. >> when you do have alcohol, so you don't have your own license, so you would be using caterers. >> correct. we are not selling alcohol. what happens is a private party, the persons renting the venue bring in a licensed caterer and alcohol with proper liability, and we are fully compliant. >> i see. for the security company, who provides that? is that -- >> we use high rock security as a company, as well as in-house security. may 24-hour security on site because it is very expensive equipment in the venue. we have cameras. >> initially, it is basically a private event kind of venue.

>> yes. we would like to -- because we close at midnight for our experience, on friday, saturday and sunday, we would love to have a down tempo -- this is why we explored to the space of entertainment so we could have maybe now and again a down tempo d.j. and a singer-songwriter. it works great with classical music, the space, we want to have something as open as we could. >> but not every weekend. >> yeah,. >> all right. thanks. >> it sounds very interesting. i look forward to checking it out. i have no questions. you can have a seat. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> i have just lost my notes. did the staff make recommendations on this one specifically? >> i can answer that.

>> sorry. >> there are no staff recommendations other than approval with the good neighbor policy, but there are fire department recommendations. >> okay. >> and police did put two on there, but one of them is a good neighbor policy, and the second one is that they adhere to the security plan submitted to the commission. >> those are standards. i know. >> when he did it was not -- [laughter] >> all right. will entertain motions now. [laughter] >> it is my turn. i moved to approve the permit with the conditions from the police department, good neighborhood policy, and the fire department. >> i second. >> is there any public comment on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. [roll call]

>> your permit has been granted. congratulations. please follow up with the deputy director at your earliest convenience for next steps. thank you. [laughter] >> where are we? >> all right, all right, all right. >> next agenda item, number 9, this is a specific discussion and possible approval. denial or any other action is necessary relating to ms. miss milano's request for a partial stay on some of her conditions until march 19th, 2019 of the entertainment commission's december 18th, 2018 decision imposing additional conditions at a place of entertainment and extended hours premises for permits for d.b. eight halcion.

miss milano has requested a stay on the first three of her conditions, and before we discuss, the director will give us a little background on this. >> hello, commissioners. if you turn to agenda item nine in your pocket, it will probably be very helpful just because you can look at the notice of decision that i sent to the permit holder after our hearing. so if you find that e-mail, we list out the six added conditions that you as a commission voted to add to her permit on december 18th. you also voted to have these effective february 1st. in speaking with the permit holder, she had issues with these immediately after the hearing, and i have been

communicating with her. i have an in person meeting with her very shortly after our hearing to discuss these added conditions. some of which she is having a really hard time scheduling the experts to come and do the sound test, or having a hard time coming up with the funds as soon as february 1st. says specifically the conditions that she is asking for the stay on our relative to her keeping a nightly record of decibel levels inside of the permitted establishment, hiring a sound consultant to conduct a new sound study, this is really around timing more than anything , and it also requires our staff to be on site, and then also the use of a sound limiter while operating sound equipment. another topic, another thing that came up when i was

discussing these with her is that those three conditions are quite a lot in terms of managing sound. and so when i had proposed these conditions to you as a commission, it wasn't necessarily my intention that you would adopt all of them, but you did. she has requested to come back the hearing at march 5th -- on march 5th to discuss or added conditions and she will be very specific on what she wants to look at that evening. by that time she would let them all the work she needs to do, in anything she hasn't done, she will be requesting you vacate that specific condition if it is repetitive in regards to sound. obviously we have had her at hearing many, many times at this point and i know you're probably

tired of seeing this venue on calendar. but, you know, in trying to mediate this, this is another option to bring this to a hearing and have the partial stay as opposed to a board of appeals hearing after you guys took action on december 18th. there is one letter from kelly ellis in your file. as i did send this request to the neighbors to let them know that this was happening. she is against this partial stay do you have questions for me? we can kind of get into the specifics of this if you want. or you could take action. >> i'm envisioning a little bit of discussion here with yourself included. >> sure. >> i do have a couple of questions. i remembered that girl last, but these are key. i think commissioner lee might be the best person to answer

these, i'm very familiar with conducting sound tests where the hiring consultants. i've had to do that many times. i am less with decibel leader -- meter logs and installing limiters and what it actually entails. you might have some experience in this and how onerous is this? is it buying something on the internet and plugging it in? >> not necessarily. inspector berg maybe able to speak more to this, but our meter, for example, was upwards of $5,000, and it has the capability to produce reports that show your meter readings any time you do a reading. i don't know how common it is for your every day sound meter to be able to perform functions like that. >> shawn burke here. i believe they have a meter that is already installed that has a capability. >> know they don't. know they don't. >> okay. >> they don't. we have discussed it.

there meter does very minimal stuff. it doesn't produce reports. it doesn't even connect to a computer to show that data. >> i just want to -- and we have gone through this, we have had the remodelling, the soundproofing, and all the sound consultants coming in, and back and forth, and all this, the sound limiter, you know, it is a big deal. it seems like all these complaints, that it is supposed to be on the honour system, and it seems like the honour system, somewhere along the line, either they are letting it go, the d.j. is pumping it up and going over, a limiter going over the set level will really distort the sound, to the point where it really upsets the d.j. and everyone else pick eventually the d.j. plays and the wax in

your ear starts getting worse asparagus starts muffling the sound. they tend to raise it even higher. to mitigate this, a sound limiter doesn't work, but they have to have a sound technician there to kind of massage it or tell them to lower it back down so that what happens is the limiter pushes, when they go to a certain level, it pushes it back down, and it sounds very distorted, but when they go back down, it will come back up. the clarity gets back to just better when it gets to that set level. but the problem is is a lot of d.j.s will not go back down, and they just think that the sound system is all messed up. so to really solve this issue, to me, the sound limiter might be the only other way, and i'm only saying that because we've done this all these different levels. >> i hear that, and i appreciate hearing that. i think the question that we have before us is that what does

it entail to actually install a limiter, what is the process take, because the request that she is having is to hold off until she can -- i want to discuss this without her here. >> let me just say, to put a sound limiter, it is just like putting a unit in line with your system. it goes into the rack. i remember back in the day, the police department used to tell us we have to put it in a room where his -- that is locked. that nobody can go in there and change it. times have changed. from when i was doing it. >> they don't wanted to get manipulated. they were not limiting. that was not the spirit of the agreement. >> so it's not that big of a deal. >> we did, in my mind, and just for the sake of time, i do want to hear anybody that has thoughts, in my mind, we did put some serious conditions in place

here to manage what we saw and see as a problem. i personally don't have a problem as we have these discussions because of the serious nature of them, delaying the implementation of them by a little while longer, i think personally, it will come sooner and it will be here before we even know it, just judging by how my life is going by before my eyes. anyway, those are my thoughts, but i welcome your thoughts as well. >> i think it is fine if we give her the extension of a month with the dates that are indicated, but i do want her to submit evidence that there is dates calendared with each of these different vendors that she is citing, just based on track record with the estimates, and the scope of work, and deadlines , just based on always -- i think we have been very generous in terms of providing

extensions. >> i can only speak to the sound test on that, but i will definitely remain apprised of land that is occurring, because we are required to attend as well, so we are scheduling that with them. >> would it be okay for us to request that there is a confirmation e-mail, that there is a date calendared for her conversation, or visit with the equipment vendors? >> yeah. i believe -- i don't know if you can actually do that in regard to the partial stay. i don't know if that is possible i can definitely do that administratively. >> okay. >> it might just be an administrative thing. the stake, like i totally agree, but we want to see that there is legitimate progress being made towards finding these, sourcing

them, and i don't want to get too specific on what that progress has to look like, but we will know it when we see it, and we need to see it, basically this is not just -- in my mind, it should not be an excuse to just hold off on doing anything. >> my question is, she holding off on this day because maybe there is a big d.j. coming? i hate to be the bad guy, but limiters are terrible. >> we have other means of addressing that and that is through our inspections regime. >> except we have been less than effective. >> there are active citations, there are findings. >> but the citation cost is so minimal, it is good business to accept the citation, and we have seen it time and again where people made good business decisions, okay, i will pay a $200 fine to make ten grant tonight. it is just reality. >> she is repealing the other one too.

>> again, i totally agree with you. i think this is probably going on longer than it should have given the issues. i think, in my personal feeling, about the specific situation, is that there is a lot of questions without concrete answers on all sides that i'm having trouble making my way out through, so for me, one month is one month. if there are citations between now and a month from now, the situation will be different for me, at least then if there are no citations and everything is in compliance, i think that the permit holder knows that. that is all i can say for myself >> i would add that i am comfortable with the continuance , but just so we are speaking factually, we gave them 45 days. adjusted the meth. that is a substantial amount of time if they really wanted to do it. with that being said, i think in

the interest of fairness, i am comfortable with the continuance of the three stipulations to the march date, but i would agree with commissioner camino. i think we can stipulate, because the way i am viewing this as they have exposed everything we've done by putting us back on calendar today. that is my interpretation. so it i would actually argue -- i don't think we will do it, we could make it more restrictive because it is back on calendar today. i hope you're not heading in that direction necessarily because we all want to be productive. i do think it is reasonable we are asking for dates when these inspections and professional visits will occur, because i think it will tell us very quickly if it will actually happen. if we don't see anything moving forward, then i think we will -- march will be upon us, and we'll be right back to where we have been in the past. >> this is maybe a question for maggie, do we know why she is not here today to talk to us

about this? >> she couldn't make it, and the main reason that we are having this on this calendar tonight is because the deadline for this to begin was february 1st and waiting until the february 5th hearing would not have made sense. >> okay. >> it was a last-minute, okay, we are asking for a partial stay instead. >> i would have wanted, if not her, a representative from halcion. she has lawyers that are hired to that that could come speak on her behalf, it did not seem she was very happy with what they're saying last time around, but at least they are people who could represent her. i don't know. i'm fine with agreeing upon a stay, and i am disappointed that she is making this request, to be quite honest. i think her behaviour throughout the years has shown that we show her the line, and she pushes as

far as she can beyond it, and i think this might be the last time i agree to something like this, but it would have been nice to see someone from there back if you can pass that message along, it is difficult for us to hear things without hearing the person that is making the request. >> we are asking the questions and we are answering them. >> it is not quite the way it should work. [laughter] >> with that, i don't know if someone wants to make a motion, but i will just sit back and vote. >> i will start. i will make a motion that we stay it, but i would like to include the stipulation that was suggested that they need to provide a state his assertion of will be meeting with these individuals. >> i second. >> is there any public comment on the motion?

seeing none, public comment is closed. [roll call] >> stay is granted. our final agenda item is number 10,, which is commissioner comments and questions. happy new year, everyone. >> happy new year. [laughter] >> i noticed that you sent out a whole to the date for the summit as we are sitting here. >> i'm trying to get everything done since i'm going on vacation tomorrow. >> if the pilots are on strike. >> police. [laughter] >> i came in late, so you may have talked about this, but is there anything about mezzanine, any update about what their status is? >> nothing we can say publicly right now. the president and i have been working very closely with ben

and deborah, the owner, as well as supervisor haney's office on this. we are hoping for some positive news. but we want to make sure that they are able to give the news out to the public as opposed to us. >> yes. that is true. i did have one comments that just came to me. so just so everyone knows, i have been in this business now ten years, ten years as an owner , on the last time a positive piece of legislation came out of city hall that actually helps nightlife was, the last one i remember was when supervisor breed was a supervisor, chapter 116. the presentation that the beard showed us today is actually incredible from a nightlife standpoint. i encourage everyone to familiarize themselves with it, and know the nightlife communities very much behind it. you may want to mention the 11

districts. >> short. the only reason i didn't bring it up is because it wasn't a generalized, it was kind of -- >> it is still an idea in the works but we should probably do it now. >> this is commissioner camino's idea, her thought child. so we are beginning to implement a new program, and we went through so many names. what is the end name? >> eleven districts of entertainment. so for each month in the calendar year in 2019, january being month one, we would work with the corresponding supervisorial district. starting with supervisor fuhr in january, and going out with the supervisor in her district to permitted venues. so we were going to tailor it to each supervisor in terms of how much time they actually have,

and how many venues they are able to visit, but the whole impetus behind it is to be able to build relationships with those supervisors and to be able to trade ideas and issues around entertainment specific to their district. so it will be staff that would be going, and then we can have up to three commissioners attend each time. we can't really have a quorum, it is not necessarily a public facing events that we would be publicizing in advance for people to come, but we would push social media about it afterward as a positive thing. do you have anything to add? >> forever this commission has been regulating nightlife, but it is also supposed to be promoting it. this is the first concrete other than the summits and the holiday party, concrete efforts that we have made. it seems like a very easy and productive endeavour. i'm excited.

>> great idea. >> congratulations. >> good job. >> thank you. >> in month 12 we are hoping to do a tour with mayor breed, and have a combination at the holiday party. >> good call. >> is there any more comments or questions? >> i think we should invite the police chief to each one of those. >> okay. i will bring it up in my meeting with him. >> s. or any public comment on the final agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. the meeting is now adjourned.

>> my apartment burned down 1.5 years ago in noba. my name is leslie mccray, and i am in outside beauty sales. i have lived in this neighborhood since august of this year.

after my fire in my apartment and losing everything, the red cross gave us a list of agencies in the city to reach out to and find out about various programs that could help us get back on our feet, and i signed up for the below market rate program, got my certificate, and started applying and won the housing lottery. this particular building was brand-new, and really, this is the one that i wanted out of everything i applied for. and i came to the open house here, and there were literally hundreds of people looking at the building. and i -- in my mind, i was, like, how am i ever going to possibly win this? and i did. and when you get that notice that you want, it's surreal, and you don't really believe it, and then it sinks in, yeah, i can have it, and i'm finally good to go; i can stay.

my favorite thing about my home, although i miss the charm about the old victorian is everything is brand-new. it's beautiful. my kitchen is amazing. i've really started to enjoy cooking. i really love that we have a gym on-site. i work out four days a week, and it's beautiful working outlooking out over the courtyard that i get to look at. it was hard work to get to the other side, but it's well worth it. i'm super grateful to the mayor's office of housing for having this for us. year. 1:ten, in the afternoon. this is the regular meeting of the commission and community investment and infrastructure. the successor agency