where is it? it's not in your packet? so i could blame d.p.w. of not informing you of information that was handed in at the first hearing not presented here. that's the first issue. second, the san francisco government agencies are cutting down trees at unprecedented rates. the city canopy coverage is shrinking by 4% each year because of large scale tree am value. agencies and policy makers need to assess all options to removing existing trees before doing so. in the february 2018 main library request tree removal of 19 trees, the permit costs $1,498. the main library gave a voucher to d.p.w. in december 2018, d.p.w. stated to me on the phone that the

voucher was never paid, so therefore, i request the board of appeals to dismiss this case in favor of the appellant because the permit was never paid for. so therefore, there's no reason for this case. >> thank you. next speaker, please. please come forward. if you plan on speaking, if you could move towards the front just so we could facilitate it, thank you. >> hi. my name is josh clip. i'm a san francisco resident and a long-time volunteer, planting with friends of the urban forest. first of all, i was hoping somebody could answer whether red maples are sufficiently wind resistant for that location.

if you take a look at the london plain trees on market street, those have been very much destroyed by the wind and will be removed with the new market street development. second question i have is whether this area may be impacted by the new civic center design. i don't know if it will be or not. i just know that that is a work in progress and there are some designs that haven't been settled settled on yet, and so it would be a shame if we went through that issue only just to have it come up in a few years. mr. bush mentioned that we have the smallest shade canopy for a city of our size. in 2014, san francisco issued an urban forestry plan to essentially double or canopy in the next 20 years. that was five years ago, and now, with the passage of prop

e, all we have is funding for pruning and removal and no city funding for planting. it leaves the planting of street trees to friends of the urban forest that scrambles to put together a budget sufficient to keep up with the rate of removals. there's no growth happening, just an attempt to may i approach tain, and all -- maintain, and all of that work is done on saturday mornings by volunteers doing it for free. ficus are about 7% of the city's urban canopy, and they are being targeted not one arrest two at a time but in large swaths. in north beach. there's going to be a hearing next month for a group of seven trees, and in hayes valley, there is a group of 29. i would just ask whatever the resolution is here is it would be one that takes all of these into account.

this isn't just a lot of nice greenery, these are energy conserving, water filtering, carbon is ca carbon sequestering. i hope you can find a solution that takes these into account. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello. i think the trees are beautiful. i'm a patron of the library, and i would like to see that they stay. outside of the concerns of the branchs falling down as a safety issue, i find it odd that we are attempting to mitigate the homelessness crisis by removing trees. i'd like to share an anecdote of tree removal that i

experienced. i used to work at 9th and mission, and we had a homeless crew that liked to hangout under the trees. so the branchs of said tree were removed, as well as the next one, and instead of discouraging the homeless people from hanging around there, they actually did it more. so please keep the trees. >> thank you. are there any other public speakers? >> hi. my name is michael nolte, and i'm representing several organizations here tonight. unfortunately, some people can't make it. i thought people were going to be calling on the phone. i don't know if that's happening or not. >> mr. quintero's been checking. >> beiokay. always double-check. any way, it 'em zoos like there's a couple thin --

it seems like there's a couple things that haven't been said. it seems that things don't come out at the meeting and we need to have a hearing on them. if we're going to put new trees there, are they going to be resistant to the power washing. need to change the replacement schedule so it doesn't cause large harm to the surrounding environment. the tenderloin needs to keep three years -- it takes three years for the trees to take. there's been a lot of tree that's have been replaced in the tenderloin area and they're not surviving after the replacement. the city needs to better legislate tree sf. the plan, it's poorly implemented, and removing huge number of trees is not a -- the

answer. proof of this is the action by the on-line petition and commented received by the community at -- comments received by the community at large. numerous groups are concerned about the future of removals and a better oversight by the city departments and city officials. i would like to see the -- this issue was never brought up in front of the library commission. i'd like somebody to produce the minutes that say that. and that's supposed to be the body that's supposed to oversee this. the other is if there is an attempt by the main library to find another city department to handle their neglecting mature trees, how -- why do you want to be rewarding them with replanting trees that may not

benefit anybody? in other words, they've allowed this to get to this point, and now, they need to be replaced, and we, as the community have to -- are watching not just this one, but other locations throughout the city are losing our trees. so that's why it's very important that we kind of handle this now at this hearing. okay. thank you. appreciate it. >> okay. thank you. we do have a caller for public comment. you can go ahead. >> go ahead. >> yes. i am wanting to ask the city to postpone the removal of the trees to wait one year to provide proper care to the

trees to ensure there is no danger from the falling branchs. but we have also heard from the fellow from the city that the amount of work required to replace the trees is extensive and expensive. it will cost the city greatly c. it's very doubtful that it would happen in three months. these ficus trees, we just had a huge wind and rain storm, and there is no damage to the public. please postpone the removal of the trees and trim them and revisit this in a year. thank you. >> thank you. we'll check to see if there are any other callers. no? anyone else present at the hearing today for public comment? okay. we will move onto rebuttal.

now, miss asbury, each party has three minutes for rebutt ta al, so did you want to give three minutes for miss boler's and three minutes for yours? >> let me just try to be succinct and do it all together. >> okay. >> that ipad display was pretty interesting. i'm going to see if this will work here. okay. great. so this is the corner of grove and hyde where we could extend the grove into an additional area, enlarge the area, so

that's one alternative that we could look at. that's a -- ficus trees on beale street that i believe being maintained yesterday. it's a lot of work, but i think it's worth considering that we may take a more graduated approach and treat these trees with extra care. under ab-1550 and cal enviro-screen, definitions of disadvantage communities, the tree program merits special consideration.

the tenderloin has among the highest density of sensesive populations with poorest air quality and the least amelioration of pollution. maple is deciduous so released carbon every year, and does not experience the freezes that reliablely produce a new england color show. that was mentioned as an aesthetic desire on the part of the library to maybe changed the aesthetics of the exterior of the library. a cost -- alternatively, an adaptive management approach to tree care at the library in alignment with guidelines for

social equity and creating the urban canopy is a cost effective opportunity to include more people in public space design, investigate effective carbon and heat emissions mitigation at scale and demonstrate a commitment to environmental justice in the heart of the city in one of its most iconic and beloved institutions. so i can appreciate the depth that mr. buck and the library, the depth of consideration that they've been giving this matter. however, i'm a resident in fact neighborhood, and i speak to a lot of people that live there, and i think that people who work in agencies such as i do, also, don't fully appreciate the lack of access to nature. so that this area, even though it may seem that oh, it's sort of a rough and tumble sort of area, it amounts to what is a

park area for a lot of people. so i'd like to suggest that this process be slowed down, put on pause, the trees be considered as part of a more structured approach, and we can address the social issues that i think are trying to be corrected by removing these trees by doing several things. we can provide structural support to address the facilities issues and concerns by -- through sfmta request that the bus stop be moved. these are suggestions that they could consider. d.p.w. investigate alternative lightin lighting. for example, at u.c. hastings, i've had a lot of success. i've worked as the sustainability director for the last five years, and we've put

streetlighting -- strip lighting that focuses on the wall, and that removes the need for poles, so it increases access to the sidewalk. we could change the regime for street cleaning so that much less water is used, more reliance on raking and sweeping, that helps with the biohazards like needles. water doesn't help with needles. water increases fly infestation and it -- and it produces other problems that are public health related, which we haven't really looked at the public health issues associated with the impacts of these tree removals. d.p.w. could model improved drainage in these tree wells. well, that might be expensive, but if we're adhering to the state guidelines, we make

ourselves available by california funding relief and cal fire and the california urban forestry for a great deal more money. so i'm thinking that if we can -- it would be worthwhile exploring accessing that money through being in alignment with these guidelines. >> you have 20 seconds. >> and further, with the bureau of urban forestry, to intensefy the arborist's work, we can't afford to throwaway any productive trees, especially in the tenderloin and civic center. i'd like to suggest community engagement would help with that. >> thank you. we will now hear -- >> i have one question for you, miss asbury. one, thank you for your work in our community andtor for your work on everything. >> my pleasure. >> we talked a little bit about

possibly phasing the replacement of the trees so it isn't as jarring to the community and finding additional spaces so at least the 19 trees are replaced. is that something you'd be open to negotiating with the library, a phased approach to planning a more suitable tree and more mature tree in those areas? >> absolutely. and i should have started by thanking the library for their willingness to work with us on this. i didn't miss that invitation. it's very well come, and i think it could be productive in a lot of ways. >> thank you. >> thank you. we will now hear from mr. lombardi from the library. you have six minutes, mr. lombardi. >> thank you. i just wanted to make a few clarifications that may be beneficial and in particular to the public on water use.

it's something that we're very, very sensitive about, and i can actually demonstration that commitment because we had an initiative this year to purchase, on our own, an almost $100,000 water truck, cleaner truck that is similar to what d.p.w. uses. and the reason we did that is i also am aware that d.p.w. is working on a project to harness the groundwater under u.n. plaza in the vicinity of the fountain to use recycled water. i don't know if you know, but most of the recycled water they get has to come from the southeast sewage treatment plant, and it's not very green to drive a truck halfway across the city with that water. so knowing that they were going to have that for us, we have that equipment already. we have that in the parking garage at the library, and it's our intention to reduce groundwater use by using that water. the water, it's very difficult for those that aren't in the facilities business and aren't

really on the ground all the time to understand how severe the challenge is around the library in terms of health and safety. and yes, we've had the suggestion, you know, we work with p.u.c. quite a bit, and they would love us to reduce our water use. but when you're dealing with urine, feces, i assure you, we've looked and have not found other ways to deal with the issues than to wash the sidewalk, sometimes more than once a day. it's ju that's to keep us safe. i just want to assure you that the homeless situation has nothing to do with the trees. we really -- i don't think you'll find an organization that's more welcoming to the homeless and more supportive of the homeless than the library has been. that's a really strong

commitment. so i'd just like to push back on that remark very politely. we also do support replacing more trees in the area. we'd be happy to look knee concept of placing trees over on the corner that miss asbury pointed out over by the burger king, across the street at the orpheum, if there are -- unless they have some objection to that or in other locations. so you know, we're very committed to the urban forest. this is not about wanting to get rid of trees for some specious reason. when i made the comment about four-foot trees, it wasn't a cavalier remark. those tree right side about $1500 for a four-foot tree, and i just want to assure you we have the resources to do this job properly if it were approved. we don't neglect our trees. we have a large work order with rec park.

we have 27 branch libraries all over the city, and i don't believe you can go to any of those branch libraries and find a tree that you would call neglected because as soon as we find anything like that, we ask our colleagues at rec park to come take care of that. to clarify, on our properties that are branch libraries where we have our own property, that's done by rec park work order. bureau of urban forestry helps us with our street trees. we don't have gardeners on our staff. it's something that has to completely be done by work order on those two prochblgs, but we are sle -- projects. but we are very committed to those. we are aware of several ficus failures during that wind storm. in fact that last wind storm did cause one, a particularly spectacular one at 29th and delores, right near of home of our engineering manager, who's here in the audience tonight.

so finally, i want to also say that we are aware, working with nick perry at city planning there has been some discussion with civic center commons project of widening grove street, providing wider sidewalks, and before we would proceed on anything of this nature, we would loop back with them. at this point, it's conceptual. we have no funding. we have no idea if something like this would happen, but frk we would do the due diligence of finding out if we planted something that would be disrupted by future work. it's difficult for the public. they will site statistics and say statistically, there is not likely to happen. it wasn't likely for someone to be killed by a falling tree several years. i don't want to try to give

comfort to someone by saying statistically we didn't expect this to happen. this is a crowded sidewalk day and night. if we had a ficus tree at a branch location that wasn't heavily traveled, that might be a different story, but at this point, it's a different story. thank you for your consideration. >> can i ask a couple of questions skbl yes. >> thank you for your presentation, and thank you for your conscientiousness. you seem very well researched, very well prepared, and very well organized, so that causes me a question. i -- i don't see a -- i see a lot of possibility, and you presented some great possibility just in this -- these statements over the last six minutes, and -- and why we are not seeing as part of this

appeal or in defense of the appeal a grander plan or a more creative plan is confusing to me. and what i would like to see, and it may cause us to move this thing forward, and i think the public would appreciate it, is real -- is a real plan. i hear from mr. buck that okay, we've got to stay away from this bus shelter, we've got to stay away from this -- this pole. but what i'm -- and what i'm also hearing is we're winging it, okay? so what i would like to hear, and i'd be -- i would absolutely be in support of -- it's a backwards thing that we do here, up holding the appeal based on the per mish issuance on the following conditions. what i would like to see is a plan how these trees responsibly are going to be

removed, the timing of how these trees are going to be responsibly removed and a supplemental plan that includes some of the things that you just addressed very constructively and that would probably resonate tremdendousl with the appellant. my question is why aren't we hearing that creativity as part of a general plan so this appellant has to come in here and challenge you?

>> -- if we can move with some kind of speed because i could be disappointed to have a process that is two years long, and in the meantime, we have an accident, but i certainly -- i think your suggestion, if you have direction for us that you'd like to go in, we're certainly open because we ultimately do want to have something satisfactory for the greatest number of people. >> and i -- i agree with yourself yo yourself -- with your sensitivity to time. i agree with all of your points. i really applaud you for coming forthwith those. my -- again, my big question is you have great ideas, you have absolutely presented alternatives, clear alternatives what can be done to enhance the situation while tearing down some trees. but again, my question is why

isn't it being presented as part of a plan in general so the public can be comfortable, trees are going to be taken down, but it's going to be better? thank you very much. really great. >> thank you for your comment on that. >> who made the election on the replacement trees? >> that was done on recommendations by chris buck and the department of urban forestry, because being a facilities person, maintenance is high on my list. we want to see trees that prosper. we saw that the london plains trees on market didn't do so well. >> now we've got palm trees.

>> okay. thank you, mr. lombardi. >> thank you very much, commissioners. >> we will now hear from mr.

buck. >>. >> i mean, i don't -- there's some things we're covering today, this evening. there is ae a lot of things -- he was asking proactively if public works could remove the trees. i personally was like well, let's not assume it's a done deal. like, there's a part of me that's, like, i don't like to come in with a really fancy plan and a whole bunch of details that sell anyone on things that -- so i -- i just -- it's not typically done. but without a doubt, this project and mr. lombardi's willingness to do that is, as

you said, sort of a breath of fresh air. and without a doubt, as we've been conferring this evening, he's said yes to pretty much everything that i've been talking with him about. so to confirm, there would be 19 trees removed with 19 trees to be replaced. he said he can commit to 48-inch box trees, whether those are directly adjacent to the library or across the street, we would start with the closest locations first as the preferred locations closest to the site. again, pending -- if we end up continuing the item to come back and work out the details, we would certainly work very closely with roberto. also regarding some of the general outreach inquiries, public works department of urban forestry now has a full-time public information officer. one of our goals is to actually

show as many of our tree removals as possible live on our website. i joked i used to believe in conspiracy theories until i work with the city and we want to be as transparent as possible. it's a drag. probably the reason for my voice being hoarse, to hear from zach, hey, we've got four trees at mission and appleton that aren't planted. it's not a blast to hear at a hearing you're going to be blasted. i have a degree in english. i might be one of the only foresters around that cared about the english language. if we didn't feel like the public didn't have enough information, we'd just scrap the posting and do it over. we've done it before. we generally run a pretty tight ship, and the last thing we want at a public hearing is to have any of the trees itself to be a motion that takes attention away from what we're

talking about. we're totally committed full board on that. regarding the species, we had a short list. london plain tree. the red maple was an exciting option, because it was a little different. the library facilities manager was pretty keen about the red maple area. when he told me about the extent of how much washing was going to occur, it was a shoe-in. it can take punishment and the washing all the time. we're committed to large stature trees at maturity, nothing less than that. hit on most of the things we really are going to try to work on showing the public what's coming up, what's currently posting. we're -- need to work out the details, but we're getting to the weeds on that. one other item is that at the public works hearing, without a

doubt, we fully talked about the washing down of the sidewalks. that was fully discussed at the public works hearing. someone had said it's the first they'd heard of that. it's not true. i have an entire section in our resulting decision that talked about that issue in itself. we really tried to address the issue about the posting typo and the -- and the resulting decision, knowing that we're going to get some heat on that. but yeah, i'm -- i'm -- i -- as you said, commissioner swig, this is a little new to me. like, looking back at it, i'm like wow, we could have come in with a lot of great ideas and would have covered ground a lot more quickly, so i think we're going to take that to heart and work on that. thank you. >> thank you. >> i have a few questions just really quickly. one, a little bit of my limits

tree knowledge. i think the appellant mentioned that the tree wouldn't change color. would we still get that effect even though we're not in the northeast? >> correct. we will get that fall color. they are called red maple because they turn that brilliant red color in new england and the midwest. it's a little bit unknown in our climate. it's more of a seasonal show. there's a little bit more light, some more sun. believe it or not, we have a lot of the public, if they have a tree, they complain about wanting more light, but we fight them on that. so the turning of the leaves, they do turn full color. without supplemental irrigation, they tend to drop their leaves a little earlier, and they're not as colorful. citywide, i'm not sold on this

species as a slam dunk. >> contributing to that, there'll be a lot of leaf rake. is that mr. lombardi's responsibility to rake them or spray them into the gutter? >> sure. the good news is we're constantly trying to inform the public that leaf litter is not litter. no one gets cited for leaf litter in the city. when people complain about the dropping leaves, i'm like success. it's big enough to have an actual impact on your immediate surroundings. they're light weight. they blow around a little bit. it's not as bad as a magnolia. the amount of cleaning that goes onto speak for the library, it's going to get

cleaned up every day. >> and the last question, it may be a little unfair, you put yourself in the position that you're normally in, which is to tell us somebody shouldn't be allowed to remove their trees, and they're here saying public works said i couldn't take this tree down, and we come to some agreement, and we put these things in writing, what kind of assurance would you want to be given that the trees are going to be replaced and this plan we've talked about is going to be implemented, and the ideas that we're saying that miss asbury and the public would have assurance that it's not just words spoken here? >> so without a doubt, one difference here is the library is pursuing removal of the trees. public works, it's true, we were just talking about this hayes valley neighborhood association meeting don't currently have funding for watering trees. we do have funding to replant -- plant replacement trees and water them, but on-sites that haven't gone to a hearing and are less high profile, we haven't had the

resources to do that. something we're actively trying to remedy, but it's something we acknowledge. in this particular case, the assurance is that the library is leading the charge here. we didn't have conversations about larger stature trees because, like, the library's not a developer. i wasn't ready to foist that on them. they came tonight to me with estimates of what the cost would be. they wanted to show the public. the permit at a minimum is good for six months. there's a commitment here to do that in less time, if not sooner. i clearly hear from the facilities manager a commitment to do this as quickly as possible and to deliver on that -- on that promise. >> yeah. >> mr. buck, the choice of a

deciduous tree is primarily related to greater sun light during the winter months? >> i think ultimately, the decision -- the hosing down and steaming of the sidewalks is just going to be a constant -- >> the primary reason. >> so we start out with a few large trees, i forget the exact species that we looked at, but there was a discussion about replacement species. >> you know the -- i'm sorry. >> yeah. so there's -- there's a lot of people that love deciduous trees. there's plenty that say with our winter storms and rain, you can use an evergreen canopy to divert water from the

stormwater system, but my experience, they've had a very difficult time along hyde street. >> although if i had to guess, this particular species may be -- it probably counter to the urban design that led to the planting and design of the wheel thing. it was kind of interesting back then when the push and pull occurred from those, you know, those who wanted a replication of the building housing the planning department. community activists wanted more than that. they wanted the building done to adjust especially to the --

what they call the urban fabric around it, which was predominantly on market street side and hit side. a -- and history side. and the library commission wanted their iconic funding assist from fund raising. so what you got was a library that has two faces. you know, the grander side, although it's not necessarily bozart's, and what they call the special sicommercial side. and you notice how the building changes. the only reason i'm giving this history -- i don't remember who the landscaper was, but the ficus probably at that time was pretty heavily used throughout san francisco on streets. >> true.

it started getting phased out in the 90's, so by the late 90's, it was really off of the public works and friend of the urban forests planting list. but clearly in '96, and i'm sure there was three to four years in that area where those trees were earmarked. >> so the reason i made that comment, and it's not necessarily something that would prevent me from looking at this as a renewal of one of our resource, but the -- at that point in time, you know, if you're looking at what makes sense on a -- from an urban design on a commercial -- a major arterial type of location, which is that side, the hyde and grove sides, it

probably made sense, but the red maple doesn't fit that context. >> the red maple is everyone like a japanese maple. it's very upright, columnar, you know, a large canopy that gets established above large floor commercial. but you're right. essentially, the library has an l-shape of ficus and an l-shape of platinous. we have ficus on grove and hyde. and i will say some sections of the library, it's not the biggest sidewalk for a ficus. like, we have delores street, massive space, and we have plenty of room for that canopy to grow, but we have sort of half of that ficus look. when you look down the block, you've got essentially half of the puzzle of the tree.

certainly, very dense. if that's what someone was looking to achieve, they achieved that with the ficus. it isn't an easy ficus replacement, there's some similar -- a bronze low quad or a brisbane box is a common one. we plant that so much that we try not to plant that everywhere. so -- but that's how we kind of settled on the red maple. but the water is a real concern. >> just to remind -- jog our memory, how long will it take the red maple to achieve the stature of the current trees, whether you go 48-inch box or 36 or whatever? >> it's going to take -- i mean, if these were planted in '96, and they're just now getting what i would call to be, you know, mature, somewhat

mature, it's going to take a while. i would say red maple is going to be a little bit quicker than a ficus, but i would say 15 to 20 years. i mean, i don't want to over sell it. i'm not going to say ten years, regardless of what size. >> regardless? >> regardless because you could plant a 24-inch box, and it obviously will catch up in five years with the larger one, which is amazing, so it's a set back. but there would be a presence of canopy at least by going the larger tree at the start. >> so mr. buck, i have a property on ellis, five properties. they're adjacent to a park. i've looked at the trees very closely because being on this

board six years, i tend to do that. i'm a tree looker now. they have the same characteristics. they're literally adjacent to a child's playground. are you saying that those trees should be removed? >> no, we have to evaluate them first. with proposition e, we're implementing the proposition e now. these first couple years were -- we have a grid of key maps across the city that we have on our website, and what we're doing is we're going to these key maps to address the worst first. where do we have the biggest trees and the highest number of concentrations? from a liability perspective, we had to have a plan. so we have a plan. we worked with planning and obviously public works, friends of the urban forest and forestry council. so we are systematically going throughout the city. so hayes valley, we just started key map 25. >> oh, no, we had several permits that were appealed to this board on hayes valley in regards to the --

>> exactly. so we are -- [inaudible] >> to answer the question -- [inaudible] >> one reason for the public information officer is to really get out ahead of what we're doing. a lot of that's about notifying the public, putting door hangers and saying we're going to come by and prune trees, but it's also about potential removals. >> okay. you answered my question. thank you. >> okay. thank you. okay, commissioners, this matter is submitted. >> well, i'll start because i don't think i've said anything. >> go ahead. >> my thinking was going, i believe along the signs of commissioner swig, so my inclination is to go for a continuance and ask that they come back with a plan that incorporates at least three additional threes to make -- trees to make for full replacement, if not potentially more, depending on what's

found, but to do an assessment of what the options are, whether it's the orpheum or across where the b.a.r.t. station used to be. so i'd like to see that. i don't know how feasible it is to include an assessment of the bus shelter. i think that was raised as a possibility to change that out, and there was perhaps one other suggestion. i don't know what was going on with the civic center commons. i find that troubling, knowing that design is in the works. i understand we can't necessarily hold this up for that to be decided, but i'd like to, when they come back, have some further idea of where that stands, and maybe just the od odds are that that ultimate design will affect this. for me, it's the idea of continuing the item just enough time to get the answers to these questions, and i don't know quite how long that'll take, so -- >> you can ask them --

>> i'm kind of looking their direction. >> well -- >> commissioner lazarus, the phasing was cutting in over time, i don't know if there was emptiyness. i don't know if that's what you were thinking about. >> yeah. it wasn't that. mr. buck or mr. lombardi, do you have a -- [inaudible] >> okay. >> and follow up on that, i am supportive of a continuance. other than that, i was not supportive of taking down the trees. forget the plan, there wasn't even a brief that was supplied, and if the general public was treated with the same cavalier attitude as this board of appeals was, i'm not very impressed. also having -- being in the tenderloin on a regular, regular basis, young trees are hard to survive there.

they just get trashed by -- by the citizens that are in that district. the fact that these trees have survived a very, very harsh environment -- and i've heard about failure at other labor rears, but considering the major storm that we had, there was no failure at this particular site. i find it that we have enough funding in this city to takedown mature trees and replace it with something unknown, i'd propose a continuance. >> i'd like to propose for a variety of reasons march 6. >> okay. >> that's a date with a little additional time, but we'll see our needs -- >> just for clarity -- well, you've made the motion. >> you can consider it a motion. >> okay. just for clarity, do you want the library and bureau of urban forestry to work with the community groups in coming up with this plan or was this -- >> i would hope that that would

be part of it because i think there was some discussions by the community, options. >> yeah. since i've started the -- you know, this at least verbally, i would -- i support commissioner lazarus in her potential motion, but i'd very much like the library and the department of urban forestry to embrace the appellant because she -- and both appellants. we didn't meet the other one tonight. they have some ideas at least for consideration. i hope you wouldn't carte blanche accept everything because that's part of negotiation and part of coming

to a compromise but i really would like you to come back and show us a plan, talk -- show us specifically those areas again related to the bus shelter, related to the electric poles or the values below that are going to create something. i don't want you to wing it. and also, locations for supplementary trees. sorry being redundant, but we've got to do that, at the orpheum or the old b.a.r.t. site. phasing seemed to be a big issue. it is all going to get wiped out and then all going to get replaced, and wow, what's the impact of that? what's going to happen to the birds, it's important. you know, birds go away, birds don't come back to fast, and i -- so fast, and i think the whole discussion of tree types.

mr. bush, you were clear on the maples, but based on really solid research that is going to be supportable. and then, finally, the consideration of other issues and most importantly, what's going to happen on civic center, what's going to happen on grove street, what's going to happen that anywhere that we don't know about. so you may want to call the city departments and investigate their plans which may impact the situation. and so that's why i'd like to -- >> woudid you note those amendments? >> i forgot the motion. >> commissioner lazarus, for clarity, where was the bus shelter located you want to explore the -- which street?

sk >> i think it's on hyde. yeah, hyde and grove, i guess -- hyde and grove. >> okay. so we have a motion from commissioner lazarus to continue these appeals to march 6 -- march 20? is that fine? >> what about march 13? >> we don't have a meeting. >> if you want to handle it. >> you want to be the president. >> or trying to be. >> okay. so we have a motion from commissioner lazarus to continue these appeals to march 20 to give the bureau of urban forestry, the library, appellants and community groups the opportunity to work together to develop a plan to consider everything just stated

by vice president swig and additionally where the three additional trees will be planted and the feasibility of moving the bus shelter. this is the bus shelter located on hyde street between fulton and grove and an update for the plan on the civic center commons and how that might impact the tree removal and replacement. okay. on that motion -- [roll call] >> okay. so that motion carries, and this matter is continued to march 20. thank you for your patience and participation. thank you. >> meeting's adjourned. [gavel]

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is the planning commission for thursday, january 24, 2019. the commission does not tolher rate any disruption. please silence your cell phones. if you care to state your name for the record. i will take roll at this time. (roll call). >> we expect commissioner tillis and richards. commissioner richards is here. first is consideration of items for continuance. case no. 2018-